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FriendFeed adds support for Facebook, Joost, BackType, Twine, and Wakoopa - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Darren Heydon, Nicholas James, Nimaa and 34 other people liked this
Great, finally no more need to add it as generic RSS feed. But how about including photo stories too? I can't find a way to estract a feed for them, but it must exist through some API as lifestream.fm does include them in its service.
- Flavio
Good step. Puzzled why shared item entries' text appears while plain old vanilla entries do not though.
- Kevin Leroux
It would be also nice to combine comments on FB with comments on FF
- Flavio
I can't add my Facebook account to FF,I can't either add the "Facebook Mini-Feed Status Stories page" or the "Status Stories page" on the add Facebook status URL page.Notice of "The given URL does not appear to be a Facebook Status feed URL" comes no matter how I try.
- Steve Chou
Steve: have you turned off the feed in your privacy settings? See http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Bret Taylor
The only appropriate item for me would be facebook, but it's pretty much just my twitter feed and the occasional other random thing. Cool that they added it, but skipped :)
- Brett Kelly
Bret: Still the same after I follow your suggestion.
- Steve Chou
great idea, but unfortunately i can't add my facebook status :( "We could not find the given account" here's a screenshot http://www.zweipunktnull.org/blog...
- Carsten
Carsten, there's a character encoding problem. Facebook seems to be returning an unpredictable mix of utf-8 and latin-1. I'll have to figure out how to handle that (we currently assume utf-8).
- Paul Buchheit
Carsten, your Facebook import should now work. Try again and let me know how it goes.
- Paul Buchheit
Why not let the users create their own input modules for any service they want?
- Felix
Felix: you can add any RSS feed as a "blog" service type. It isn't ideal but it will get any feed into FriendFeed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, thank you, but I'd love to configure the favicon and the wording
- Felix
Now Facebook finally work on FF.
- Steve Chou
The facebook pages linked to at http://friendfeed.com/about... don't exist or are not as shown.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
FB has had a redesign and the status updates link is gone. Can anyone help here?
- Kol Tregaskes
JacksonPollock.org - http://www.jacksonpollock.org/
Roman, James (!?), Julianne and 11 other people liked this
*bump* for Darren Haydon's meme... https://friendfeed.com/dheydon...
- LogEx
Here is Why Facebook is not as Cool as FriendFeed and Why it Totally Makes My Head Hurt Sometimes - http://flickr.com/photos...
Jorg Jansen, Jens Christian Freund, Craig Deakin and 284 other people liked this
No. Way.
- LogEx
-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE!
- Jennifer Windrum
Yeah, all that crap is pretty annoying.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
=O
- Shevonne
You know you can turn that off right?
- Eric P
hahahahhaa
- Shevonne
horrible
- andy brudtkuhl
OUCCCCH (E.T. Voice)
- sean percival
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
wow
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
PREACH!!
- Derrick
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I block just about every app invite I get. I'm glad some people like it, but I despise ANY application, social network, or whatever that the second step in adding the app is to SPAM all of my friends with it. This is a terrible process and needs to be done away with.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
Sean hit it perfectly. It's why I use Facebook as nothing more than an address book for people from my past. That has always made me sick, screen 2 is "Tell me who to spam!"
- Matthew DeVries
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ...
- Rene Wirtz
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene Wirtz
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
You're just waaaay too popular, Tom ;-)
- Dave Fortheloss
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
- Eric Logan
*Brain cramp*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
HOLY FRAKKIN' FRAK
- Josh Haley
Sweet baby Jesus
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I've just been blocking all Facebook apps.
- Morton Fox
INSANE Bro!
- Francis Aldana
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Alix Whitmire
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Alix Whitmire
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
RT yourself from June 2008?
- ThePicMan
Sweet baby jesus on a stick!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Jebus Herschel Krustovsky! That's ridiculous!
- Abbas Haider Ali
You should make that your Twitter background. :)
- Pete Delucchi
This post is what made me finally deactivate my Facebook account. I've had enough.
- Rochelle
HUGE LOL
- Kamilah Gill
aw man, what happened to the flickr image?
- Kamilah Gill
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Facebook sucks so badly. Why the hell people are still using this crap?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
that's crazy!
- K.D.
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Try Facebuprofen.
- david beckwith
Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :)
- Walt Ruppar
Some of my friends are so annoying on FB that I have to permanently block all invites from them. Bloody Blood-sucking-vampire-stricken-greek-godish-monsters.
- Aman
ha ha
- Saravanan
Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Chris: Indeed it is sad. I am in the process of forming a group called "People who hate people".
- Aman
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
Friends oh Friends.
- Aman
But FB is still better than the Google counterpart - Orkut. The sleaziest Social Website of all times. Their tag line : "Its so easy to get molested online, let us make it easier for you".
- Aman
Holy Facebook Crap Batman!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
Urgh! So true!
- Vera
I just ignore pretty much everything that's not a message or a new friend request.
- Jim Hearts FF
NADD
- bifurcafe
DELETE BUTTTTTOOOONNNNN!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April Russo (app103)
Use http://www.ignoreall.com/ Cleans up everything in a jiffy.
- Jauder Ho
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
Agree with ChiliMac.
- Aman
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
Believe me, even a good confrontation with those slimy friends does do any good. They keep sending invites even after that.
- Aman
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
Citigroup has lost 98% of its value in the past 2 years - http://money.cnn.com/2009...
Jensen Walker, Mike Reynolds, Mrsth and 12 other people liked this
At its height, Citigroup stock traded around $57 a share. That was in late 2006, just months before subprime mortgages began to become problems and the credit market unraveled. But fears about Citigroup's exposure to soured mortgages and other consumer loans have sent shares plummeting this year, wiping out billions of dollars in shareholder value as a result. The bank reported losses of nearly $28 billion last year and investors remain worried that the bank will continue to lose money as the economy weakens. The stock lost more than half its value last month alone as speculation grew that the government would have to step in and effectively nationalize the company.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
...and most bubbles are just full of air...
- .LAG liked that
Hmm.. I always wanted to own a bank
- Mirco
so, should one buy Citi at that price?
- .LAG liked that
Citi would be pretty speculative to buy at this price.
- Thomas Hawk
So the NYSE will continue to suspend it's rule about de-listing stocks under a certain price...
- Cecyl Hobbs
good buy
- imran
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interesting. Seems like FriendFeed's going a little wacky with the flickr feeds. This post is actually a mixture of my own flickr photos and my flickr faves. I've never seen FriendFeed do that before.
- Thomas Hawk
One Thing You Don't Need To Be An Entrepreneur: A College Degree - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
Nicholas James, Mindaugas Dagys, lautaro and Dru Kelly liked this
You may not need the degree, but the successful ones attended a reputable school for at least one year.
- coldbrew
Introducing Safari 4 - http://www.apple.com/safari/
Dru Kelly, Antoine Bertier, borghrose and 2 other people liked this
Benton, Dru Kelly, Zax Stevens and 8 other people liked this
BREAKING: Facebook Reverts to Previous Terms of Service ( http://mashable.com/2009... )
Daryl Milne, Stewart Heys, Luke Addison and 6 other people liked this
that was like a 24-hour wedgie
- Pat Kitano
hopefully they won't try to spring that on us again.
- Angela P.
im amazed they responded so quickly
- Alekkus
The Day My RSS Reader Died, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the FriendFeed RSS Bomb! - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Iván Abrego, Shaun Bruce, Mike Roberts and 127 other people liked this
My biggest problem with RSS can be summed up in four words: “too much crap content.” That’s right. As much as I would find the occasional great story and nugget of news, the vast majority of items were simply of no interest to me. News sites and bloggers (myself included) just publish too much crap. So about six months ago I did something that seemed revolutionary to me (and felt totally liberating) I walked away from my RSS Reader. I said goodbye. I took my Google Reader icon off of my bookmark tool bar and I haven’t logged in or looked back since.
- Thomas Hawk
i've been thinking of quitting my feedreaders as well, but just rely on Google Reader's "Shared by Friends" feature, which is just as good a filter for my purposes.
- esther
FF is the superior reader. FF just needs an import OPML tool that matches up existing FF feeds with your Google Reader feeds and creates imaginaries for the rest. It's nice never having to leave FF to get your RSS. FF just needs to make the transition a bit easier than the manual way I've done it so far.
- Thomas Hawk
There is a lot of junk, but in my case I am purposely trudging through all the crap to find helpful tech posts, support articles and software for my readers that I might miss or may get overlooked otherwise. The good news is my workflow and speed reading ability has developed well enough so that I can power through a great many articles in a short amount of time sift out the good stuff.
- Tom Harrison
Thomas, the same happened to me. I find myself looking at less and less items in RSS reader. I only open it casually to go through photoblogs as well as some Flickr streams (including yours). I probably could go ahead and create a virtual friend on FF with these few feeds. Who knows, maybe I will...
- Holger Eilhard
You do have a point though - there are only a few certain types of content I read through Google Reader. I've noticed that I've unsubscribed from most of the sources which I read solely for personal consumption, and also let that stuff bubble to the top through aggregators and sites like FriendFeed.
- Tom Harrison
True, but there's some content that you'd like to read every single post on. For me, it's Strobist.com. Google Reader's perfect for that - and it keeps track of what I've read and not.
- Blake Caldwell
Blake, that's easy, you can just set up an imaginary friend for strobist.com. Although strobist really should be on FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
I have to disagree - I like Friendfeed for its relatively decent conversations, but it's no substitute for Google Reader. FF doesn't do the read/unread thing as GReader does. FF doesn't show the whole post. Case in point, I got to *this* post through GReader. While I'm sure it was on my FF front page briefly, I obviously missed it.
- Eric P
And as for the "Too much crap content" line - what's the difference between FF and RSS there? It all depends who and what you subscribe to, and if you're getting crap content you need to unsubscribe from the sources of that content.
- Eric P
Eric, if you learn to use hide aggressively it can replace the read/unread thing google reader does, but with FF you get more. You get better commentary on the posts which is what bumps it. Would you be seeing what I'm writing right now here in Google Reader?
- Thomas Hawk
In terms of missing specific content this is where you just create a super high value list in FF. I call mine superfaves. I'm happy to miss a lot of content. But stuff I really want to see I just organize in that list and check it at least once a day.
- Thomas Hawk
Come on you guys are smart -- it's like saying "Every time I pick up my phone all I hear is nonsense. Phones are obsolete. Every time I want to hear something I'm going down to the barber shop. I'm done hearing things on the phone."
- Dave Winer
I rather like to think of it more like "home phones are obsolete." My iPhone can do everything my old home phone could do but better, plus I can watch FriendFeed on it while I'm sitting in the chair at the barber shop and listening to FFundercats.
- Thomas Hawk
This is why we need RRSS Really REALLY Simple Sharing! I smell a revolution brewing.
- Mike Lewis
I don't see them as mutually exclusive. There are a lot of things on my RSS reader that never show up on FF, and vice versa. I'm still not convinced that FF can replace my feed reader for keeping up with the Flickr/Zooomr photo feeds that I watch either.
- Jeremy Brooks
No, Dave, your analogy makes sense. Every time my phone rings, I have to worry about whether it's someone trying to sell me something or it's grandma wanting to tell me about cousin whatshername having it off with whatshisface. If I want to talk photography, the chances one of my friends calling me through the day verse the other people is low. If I wanna just talk about issues I want with people I trust, I'll go down to the barber shop cause I'll get great conversation from a wide range of opinions.
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas - I couldn't find David Hobby (strobist) in FriendFeed - no worries, I know I can create an imaginary friend outta him. However, I'm real lazy, I might only read those few sites that I really like once a month or so. I also hook them up to FriendFeed so I can see the new stuff now, but it's nice having Google Reader as backup. I'll never get rid of Google Reader :)
- Blake Caldwell
I don't know Jeremy. I've set up a button in my tool bar to only show Flickr and Zooomr items on my Flickr and Zooomr A lists. Works pretty much just as good as RSS to me. You can pretty easily filter FF by just Zooomr or just Flickr items. Put the can't miss photographers in a list and filter it by service and you've got pretty close to the same thing. That's what I do.
- Thomas Hawk
I think FF and RSS-feeds complement each other. I can't live without both of them.
- Håkan Dahlström
Håkan, assuming you could import your reader's OPML file into FF into a Håkan RSS list with the exact same content (plus maybe a bit more because some feeds initially would also include their flickr/twitter accounts etc.) would that work? Or what does your reader give you that you can't get from FF?
- Thomas Hawk
The only problem with this is *someone* has to get/post/create the content. Many people hide all Twitter messages unless they have a comment. Well if everyone does this then no one sees the content. Someone has to sift through the crap.
- Andrew Smith
Well, on FF I let my friends do the filtering and in Google Reader I do my own filtering. That's how they complement each other. I want to see the junk by myself to decide what's good and what's not. And I think I do that better in Google Reader. :-)
- Håkan Dahlström
True Andrew, but you only need a very small group doing this to provide statistically relevant results. Personally the only service I'm hiding all of right now is brightkite which are among the least interesting items on FF to me. Everything else I hide on a user by user service by service basis one at a time.
- Thomas Hawk
One of the things I think that is an added bonus in using FF for RSS is that oftentimes you get autosubscribed (sorta) to things that you didn't think about. If I like someone's photography blog, there's probably a pretty good chance I might also be interested in their Twitter stream or Flickr account. If not I can easily hide them, but I might not have thought to subscribe to multiple services by the same person in my old RSS reader.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't *want* to have to aggressively use hide. GReader marks it read as I scroll by or hit j. FF requires me to use the mouse to click "hide" and refresh the page. And quite frankly, there's never a lolcat in my GReader, and that alone makes GReader better for news.
- Eric P
Friendfeed it good at some things. It's great for getting Flickr contact updates, for example. But it's basically the latest evolution of a discussion forum. I subscribe to the best sources I can find in GReader. When a good article turns up, I might then in turn share it on FF (and elsewhere) to discuss. Friendfeed as a primary source of information is lacking - there's simply too much that never turns up here, and so much noise it quickly gets drowned out.
- Eric P
good point Eric. I wonder if FF could build an RSS list sort of channel that had a mark as read option. It would seem that they are very close to being able to provide straight RSS reading services here in addition to FF and that capturing their user's traditional RSS reading would be an easy add on sell and make their site stickier than it already is. It would need some thought and hashing out but I think it could be possible to offer both social RSS and replicate traditional RSS here.
- Thomas Hawk
One other issue (at least for me) is that the flickr/zoomr images are shown as small thumbnails, but in my reader they are shown in a larger size. I really prefer the reader for viewing photo feeds.
- Jeremy Brooks
that's a good point Jeremy. I really like the way that blog posts and smugmug photos show up larger on FF than Flickr or Zooomr. I wish Flickr and Zooomr photos showed up larger like that as well. Or at least an optional setting or greasemonkey script for larger sized images would be interesting.
- Thomas Hawk
Here's something I don't understand about imaginary friends. Say I add an imaginary friend from a blog I follow. Only I can see it here in FF, right? But if I like or comment on it, are others subscribed to my feed then able to see the post and like or comment on it too?
- Tom Landini
Too much crap content? Alt Search Engines, CNET News, Daily Dish, Engadget, Gizmodo, Hacker News, KurzweilAI.net, Lifehacker, New Scientist, New York Times - Books, New York Times - Science, New York Times - Technology, O'Reilly Radar, Short Sharp Science, Silicon Alley Insider, Slashdot, Talking Points Memo, Technology Review, Wired News (and many, many more). Competitive with many Friendfeed posts, from my standpoint. Superior signal to noise, in fact.
- Sean McBride
Did you website die too? It's hanging on loading.
- Tamar Weinberg
Took me three years but this post finally got me to fix my Blogger Atom syndication, get it hooked up via Feedburner and now my site is fully RSS compliant AND I'm on Friend Feed as of tonight. Pretty cool post.
- Sam Posten
I've just re-installed Feedly. wasn't impressed first time, but now I am finding it much better, and easier to find stuff to read, than in plain old GR.
- Ian May
@thomas. you should try the latest version of feedly. you might like it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ironically, I read Thomas Hawk via my RSS Reader
- Glen Campbell
It's funny, I"m the opposite. My Reader is my lifeline and I come to FriendFeed for the obscure / culture news. I don't need to see "How to Market Yourself on Twitter" come through my stream 50 billion times. ;)
- Mona Nomura
The Feedly mashup helps me moderate BOTH the RSS stream delugr and Friendfeed's lack of hierarchy. It's interface is less agressive with more filtering then Greader and it shows FF conversations related to each article (thus avoids duplicity and noise on the FF stream).
- Brad Kligerman
What Mona and Brad said.
- Sean McBride
Definitely on board with the OPML thing. If they did that I would probably drop Reader too.
- Paul Greer
Problem is: using your system, you get to read only what the community chooses to. Personally, I prefer having my own list, which is composed of rather obscure blogs that are probably visited by only 10 or 12 people. Yeah, I know, I could send them to FF too, but I like the way my GReader structures them, plus, if these blogs become too well-known they won't be obscure anymore, and probably I won't like them as much! ;)
- Jordi Soler
Great Post Thomas! I do like your idea of merging your Friendfeed with Greader. But I guess it sounds too risky/crazy for me. I live in my greader, and like that I can put whatever blogs together and not get all the clutter from whomever Scoble or Kol liked... For me Greader seemed cleaner and simpler, so I don't get that point.... But like your point on FF being more interactive.... but wasnt there some Greasemonkey script importing FF comments into Greader posts?
- Peter Efland
Peter -- I manage all my Friendfeed feeds through Google Reader (and now through Feedly as well).
- Sean McBride
Friendfeed is rss driven so you're just fooling yourself into believing you no longer use rss when in fact you use it more.
- Richard A.
Richard, did you actually read the post or did you stop at the title and form an opinion from there? You might not have embarrassed yourself had you taken a bit more time.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
@Greg++ I wondered if Richard and I read the same article; like Hawk I've barely glanced at my OPML lately too
- sofarsoShawn
Richard, exactly. I am using RSS more than ever actually, but I'm using it smarter I think. I think socially filtered RSS is superior to regular old traditionally served RSS. Sounds like a lot of people still like the old flavor as much if not more than the new one still. Still wondering if with user options though FF couldn't become your social and traditional RSS reader in one. But then again, making FF even more complicated might not be the best thing for n00bs either.
- Thomas Hawk
Wading through a chronological torrent of often irrelevant and trivial material, which is impossible to compress with list view, is not smarter and more efficient from my perspective. High-quality publications and blogs do a much better job of filtering and prioritizing news than free-form social chat sites.
- Sean McBride
Someone is going to figure out the best way to combine and improve on the best features from Friendfeed, Google Reader and Feedly. Bank on it.
- Sean McBride
FriendFeed is the new king!
- Dimitar Vesselinov
I'd like to know how you import images into FF from your blog entries? I tried all last night but didn't work. I've been told it's something to do with settings in FeedBurner? I have MediaRSS and WP SUP installed on my WordpRess blog. I'm also struggling to get the FriendFeed Comments plugin to work. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
I know its an old post and have already been here. BUT once again I fell over it and got intrigued by Thomas Hawk's opening statement. He wrote: "My biggest problem with RSS can be summed up in four words: “too much crap content.”". Now... I just heard more or less the same argument from Scoble, regarding ditching Greader for Friendfeed. I don't get it... I might not have seen the light...
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- Peter Efland
Ok, just read your post again Thomas Hawk - I might be starting to see your point... maybe... good post :)
- Peter Efland
And I Saw As It Were - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Wow, I love this, simply amazing! :)
- Danielle Closs
It's a great shot, but what is it exactly? A refinery, or a powerplant?
- Michael Fidler
Stunning shot!
- Nia
it's a refinery. :)
- Thomas Hawk
Fantastic shot indeed. I was actually thinking about this shot when I was at the camera store earlier... it and the 14mm :)
- TranceMist
Just spectacular. Really wonderful. I love tracking the reflection and seeing where it goes. Got me thinking about the shape of a guitar to begin with, but then my eyes got drawn back to the amazing lights of the refinery.
- Conor Ogle
@TranceMist lol! Moreso the 14 mm? :P
- Danielle Closs
I love the reflection.
- Beau "Slick Foot" Liening
Great view!
- Tyson Key
Long Beach harbor CA?
- Susan Beebe
Yep Susan, Long Beach Harbor exactly.
- Thomas Hawk
Facebook Adds The Like Button For Content Rating - http://www.downloadtube.com/blog...
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Let the copying of FriendFeed begin :P
- Glenn Batuyong
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If You Think Marijuana Should be Legal and Kellogg is Idiotic For Dropping Phelps, Digg this here - http://digg.com/food_dr...
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IN MA you can carry around an oz
- John Flynn
@John - it's decriminalized variously in a dozen states or so, but there's still federal law to contend with.
- Anthony Citrano
I am glad they dropped him. Pot may be no worse on a person than alcohol and cigarettes but it's still illegal.
- Becca
was only ever made illegal cos of cotton.... and that is irrelevant now.
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Becca - sorry, but I despise that uncritical way of thinking. It is why this good country has the serious problems that it does. Voting as a black person or a woman was illegal once, too - does that mean it was wrong? Is illegality the end of the conversation when it comes to what's right and what's wrong? How intellectually stultifying.
- Anthony Citrano
well, no more fruitloops for me I suppose. Not so bad because sugar cereal probably isn't the best thing for you. At least this leaves more room in the mornings for bacon though.
- Thomas Hawk
@ThomasHawk: amen brother.
- Randy Hall
@Anthony I think your example just backs up my own point. I don't know that voting was illegal but certain people were definitely not allowed to do so. The laws changed and now more people have that right. Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you have the right to break it. Work on changing the law instead of breaking it if that's what you think is right.
- Becca
sure I should be decriminalized, but the golden boy got kissed by the fate, many careers got flushed down the toilet for the same, money talks
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@Chris I have no idea. I am so far removed from politics I wouldn't have a clue as to where to start. But, I do agree with legalization.
- Becca
my point exactly, he's very lucky to be able to keep his career barely untouched... unlike many others
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@Becca - I sure am glad that people like Martin Luther King, Susan B. Anthony, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela, Harriet Tubman, Gandhi, and our Founding Fathers weren't taking your advice about not breaking "the law", in all its glorious and divine perfection.
- Anthony Citrano
To compare the civil rights movement to the legalization of marijuana is idiotic! People are missing the point about him losing this sponsorship, he by signing these contracts, which I am sure have clauses that dictate the kind of persona he is to portray, is in effect a brand name. Regardless if he wanted to be a role model or not, he is a brand name and should act accordingly in order to keep said sponorship. So I don't feel bad for him. He made his bed so sleep in it.
- jamar78
Really, Joel?? The drug war in this country is an assault on civil liberties that has destroyed millions of lives - most of them poor and black. Many of these laws are modern day "black codes." So, I don't think it's an idiotic comparison at all, nor do many of the civil rights leaders with whom I have talked about this very issue. (Do agree with your angle on the contract though - a deal is a deal, however stupid it may be.) Please see my article from today on this, which goes much further.
- Anthony Citrano
drug use however is a choice....I don't know anyone that chose their ethnicity or skin color
- jamar78
just seems sort of hypocritical that they'd stand by him when he was convicted of drunk driving which is in fact very dangerous and could kill somebody, but need to seem to make a point of dropping him for marijuana use at a party which is arguably far, far, less dangerous.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe this is all economic -- Kellog's (and Subway it seems as well?) just need a way out of paying -- and have their excuse to terminate the contract?
- Brian Sullivan
I agree, Brian - so many threads on this that I'm losing track of what I said where, but I think it's about money and courage (or the lack thereof).
- Anthony Citrano
dugg
- Pete Delucchi
Didn't Kellogg drop the whole Olympic sponsorship and not just Phelps? Seems like a swim-goat to me.
- Nancy Babyak
well, wait, do they make capt. crunch? cuz I can't NOT have capt. crunch when i'm getting high. JK
- BEX
Make marijuana legal first. As long as that law is in place, I don't blame Kellogg's for being cautious.
- Morton Fox
Nancy, whatever the reason Kelloggs dropped him *how* they did it by mentioning the incident as the reason was a statement. They stood by him when he was arrested for a DUI but not when he took a bong hit something arguably far less harmful to himself and society. They could have dropped him quietly or said they were dropping all Olympic sponsorship but they used their soapbox to make a statement about marijuana usage instead.
- Thomas Hawk
good for subway. Their $5 subs are a good deal in a bad economy. I don't buy my lunch much these days but if I need to I know where I'll go next.
- Thomas Hawk
Heh, did he only appear in their US commercials? I can't say I've ever seen him in the UK ones.
- Tyson Key
The federal laws are those that need to be rescinded. Many states' marijuana laws are already pretty liberal. The states should have a right to choose, the feds need to keep out of it.
- coldbrew
Breaking news, Phelps gets endorsement contract from Screaming Yellow Zonkers. "they'll stone you when you're trying to be so good, they'll stone you just like they said they would..."
- Greg GuitarBuster
War on Drugs is a Huge Colossal complete Waste of $$$ + Resources + People's Lives!! complete + utter Bullshit! + all da PIGS aka Judges + Cops + Lawyers + Bureacrats + Politicians + Lawmakers Waddle up to the Trough to Snort that Tax $$$ Money!! PIGS!!!!!!!!
- Billy Warhol
@Morton, in re: "laws in place," isn't DUI illegal? They didn't seem too "cautious" in that regard. @Chris: Kellogg's been getting hammered on this for a couple days now. I also heard last night that the company was now saying that the marijuana incident was merely coincident and had nothing to do with his non-renewal.. Could they be that silly? I haven't bothered to look.
- Anthony Citrano
interestingly, subway apparently yanked every reference to phelps from their website, even though they said they support him.
- Richard Lawler
Twitter is now worth like half as much as it was last week - http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2009...
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Awesome perspective by Marc on how Facebook's status updates are actually a proactive move towards a more open social graph, which is something we haven't seen (yet) from Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I think Marc is wrong. But if he had said it hurts friendfeed, I might agree. Twitter is different than facebook and I don't see this hurting Twitter at all. If anything it helps Twitter since now facebook can post out to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I see your point, but I think if Iain or Bear or similar developers were to integrate Facebook status updates into their existing "status clients", you would see people slowly use Facebook more and Twitter less. I still think Facebook has a way to go on this if they are trying to enter Twitter's space, but I think the threat is definitely there.
- Jesse Stay
I think, if Facebook really wants to compete (not sure if they do or don't ), they need to provide a way for users to "follow" the information a person has marked public on Facebook without the other having to follow them back. For the private information you would have to friend the individual and fit within their privacy settings.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I disagree because of the other limitations of Facebook (and difficult to use interface). First, can you aggregate everything 100 people do on Facebook together? No. Can you follow a celebrity on Facebook like Stephen Fry, like you can do on Twitter? No.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, this is already somewhat available on Facebook via the API - see http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.... They need to just add a user's status to the set of default info provided to an application for a user (assuming it's available via their privacy settings)
- Jesse Stay
I'm with Robert, Facebook has the constraints of networks and accepted "friendships," whereas Twitter democratizes conversations -- anybody on Twitter can potentially converse with anybody else. BUT, it does appear that the new additions to the API aim to open the conversation outside of Facebook.
- Jeremy Peronto
Jeremy, they are not completely public on Facebook, *yet*. In the API, I must authenticate as each user in order to obtain their status messages. I'm asking them right now about not requiring a session key for the user if they have privacy settings to allow such. If that happens, it's a completely open conversation, regardless of friendship.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook is like AOL was in the early 90s. A closed network. It is good to see some open APIs, etc. coming out of FB but it is essentially a closed model. With that said, I was happy to implement Facebook Connect on my blog so commenters can use their FB credentials to post.
- Kenley Neufeld
Kenley, that's what Marc's arguing - Twitter is more a comparison to AOL than Facebook. You do not own your relationships or data on Twitter. Everything is Twitter's there - I can't follow you on Twitter from another network, nor vice-versa (without hacks). Facebook is at least trying to make efforts in this direction through things like Facebook Connect and elsewhere. They're all about ensuring it gets done right though. Having talked to them personally, I believe that's their intention.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I never said that conversations were open on Facebook...I said the exact opposite, but that I thought that Facebook was aiming to make the conversation more open with the new API additions. And just as a side-note, I don't think Facebook users are going to be thrilled once they figure out exactly what the new changes to the API mean. Facebook users crave privacy and "friendships" and throw a fit anytime the site opens up a little bit more.
- Jeremy Peronto
Jesse - I follow people on Twitter through Friendfeed. And respond to them through FF. That's not a hack, or is it?
- Nick in Manila
Nick, the problem there is that Twitter still owns your SocialGraph. With OMB and sites like Identi.ca that socialgraph ports across any social network that supports OMB. Facebook is slowly moving in that direction with Facebook Connect and allowing you to link your site's contacts with Facebook contacts, but they're not quite there yet. Twitter doesn't even touch that.
- Jesse Stay
Amazon Kindle 2 launching on Monday -- we'll be there live! - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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How cute, my son Patrick, @pscoble is a freshman finalist at high school for "prince of Valentine dance" (five finalists out of 300).
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Nearby Tweets finds Tweets near you - http://nearbytweets.com/
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Same information is available using Twitter's Search: http://search.twitter.com/advance.... I don't get it.
- Josh Babetski
What Do You Do When Flickr Deletes Your Paid Account Without Warning Not Once But Twice? - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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This guy seems sort of angry. Apparently, he says, Flickr deleted his paid account not once, but twice.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
"Here is a picture I took of the letter "F" letter. I took it just hours after FLICKR SHUT DOWN YET ANOTHER ONE OF MY PRO ACCOUNTS WITH NO WARNING! Thank you flickr. Thank you for being such an awesome photosharing site. You are a gift to the worlds artists! And thank you for choosing what people should see! I'm glad people can't chose their art freely. Wouldn't that make the world...
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- Thomas Hawk
Cannot imagine why anyone would pay for a second Flickr account after having the first one deleted. I'd be completely done after the first time.
- Karoli
You've got to admit though, at least his response is creative.
- Thomas Hawk
Probably I'd switch to a different service
- Brett Kelly
Looks like some moderators are getting a little paranoid and trigger-happy with the delete button.
- Rene Wirtz
Love the response. I'd definitely go elsewhere, there are plenty of sites around and you can generate your own traffic.
- Kenton
Hmm, there's always Zooomr, and the folks at 23 (http://www.23hq.com/), if anyone wants an alternative, although I don't know how long they'll stick around for.
- Tyson Key
Rene, that's an understatement. It seems to be getting worse and worse. It sucks. Yes, there are alternative sites, but none with either the mass of community or richness in archive. I quit Flickr once over a censorship issue, but you come back in the end. It's too hard not to. It's like crack for photographers. Sad though that the censorship runs so rampant. And it sucks that people routinely are deleted so frequently without warning.
- Thomas Hawk
If a particular deletion gets enough attention, Flickr usually just ends up calling it a "mistake," Still even "mistaken" deletions can't be restored over there.
- Thomas Hawk
At least this guy seems to have at least somewhat a sense of humor about it.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - love your statement Flickr is "like crack for photographers." - AWESOME!
- Susan Beebe
Flickr is 1 step away from KGB mentality - ultra lame for a social photo site
- Susan Beebe
I keep each photo that I post online (both to Flickr and Storm-Artists.net) on my local machine, so if my account gets deleted I'll be upset but at least I will still have my photos. But, it's pretty bad that the instant reaction to a possible violation is deleting an account, that is just premature, immature, irresponsible and very poor business practice.
- Rene Wirtz
Exactly! They should disable NOT delete accounts
- Susan Beebe
the problem isn't so much losing your photos. Hopefully nobody is stupid enough to put their only copy of their photos on *any* photosharing site. Although sadly some have been and have lost photos. The problem more though is that when you're deleted you lose so much of a social archive that went along with your photos.
- Thomas Hawk
When Flickr nukes your account *everything* is gone. The social metadata around photos are significant. Whole conversations have happened in photo threads. Many, many are like blog posts. Truly creative collaboration can happen in interacting with photos. It's not just Flickr killing your stream. They kill everyone's interaction that ever touched your stream as well.
- Thomas Hawk
When Flickr nukes you all of that is permanently erased. And even though there are tools to remove your photos off of their servers, there are no tools to salvage the metadata around photos. Even if they deleted the photos they should leave that in place.
- Thomas Hawk
Think about some of the amazing threads we've seen on FF even in it's short life. And imagine if someone just came in and deleted all of someone's threads without warning. They're not just killing and punishing the person. They're punishing anyone who interacted in those threads. Many of these threads may seem stupid and even silly, but I believe that many threads also have important historical and archival value that we may not even realize today.
- Thomas Hawk
I just realized that you could always use the Wayback Machine to get your photos.
- Anika
Hmm, as far as I know, they don't embed the geotagging data into the metadata of the image files, so you've effectively lost it.
- Tyson Key
A long explanation, but a bit on why I feel objecting to the censorship on Flickr is so important.
- Thomas Hawk
Tyson that is why you should not use Flickr or any photo sharing site to geotag your photos. Do it yourself at the file level. I use Geotagger (free) and Google earth (free) on my Mac. Microsoft has a free geotagging program at their Pro Photo Tools page. Both of these are easier and faster than doing it on Flickr and *you* retain this data at the file level.
- Thomas Hawk
All of the metadata is available via the API, isn't it? Regardless, losing all of the comments is an enormous loss of data in some cases, it seems baffling that a company owned by a search giant would be so willing to destroy data willy-nilly.
- Tyler
Anika, I'm not sure that you can use the wayback machine. On many Flickr pages I've tried it in the past and it hasn't worked. I tried it on one of my photos that Flickr deleted a while back and for whatever reason it wouldn't work. Here's an example of one of my current photo pages not indexed by archive.org. http://web.archive.org/web...
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, You've had problems with Flickr before? I can't believe they would delete one of your photographs. They should consider it an honor that you even use their service!
- Michael Fidler
Interesting Flickr fact and then I'll get off my soapbox. In the "Adult Flickr Members How Not To get Deleted" group (a group set up for the main reason of figuring out how *not* to get your account deleted off of Flickr), there are 17,664 members. That's a lot of people worried about getting deleted.
- Thomas Hawk
In the forums and in Flickr Ideas all you see is referral back to the Community Guidelines and these are pretty vague, so basically this means that Flickr staff can do what they want.
- Rene Wirtz
And you are right, it would be a waste and a shame to lose all the comments (human interactions) when account gets deleted.
- Rene Wirtz
"You come back in the end. It's hard not to." Very true. With its massive user base of talented pro and amateur photographers, Flickr has a lot of weight to throw around when these issues come up. I wonder what level of vocal user frustration around Flickr's account deletion policies is enough to force them to implement an "undelete" administrative tool and step back to take an objective look at their process. Obviously the current level is not near enough.
- Tom Harrison
Obviously undeleting a deleted account isn't as simple as creating the tool - it implies an investment of time and manpower to handle appeals. I suppose that means there needs to be at least two motivating factors: a viable competitor and enough paying members switching over to that competitor out of frustration in order to justify the investment in such an appeals process.
- Tom Harrison
Usually hitting them where it hurts, the wallet, may help, but especially now you have to wonder if Flickr is really a moneymaker for Yahoo? And is it even core business for Yahoo going forward. They may not be motivated at all to really do something about it ...
- Rene Wirtz
I really think that we flickr users with pro accounts should start a petition, after writing up some reasonable demands to yahoo about fair play. Because really, this is a yahoo company.
- Paula W
I have no problem with a petition, but it still boggles my mind that Flickr/Yahoo is so incredibly arrogant about this policy. This is not brain surgery. Users have paid, and while Flickr retains the right to have the final say, there's no excuse for not allowing a paying customer to pick up their toys before Flickr tosses 'em in the trash, irretrievably.
- Karoli
Oh wow
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Eventually we'll move back to our hard drives.
- Jordi Soler
Still don't understand why there is not for suspected offending users a blocking of all their photos being visible to everyone, freeze on messaging/commenting etc and an email dialogue with the user about the issue so that they have a chance to rememdy and resolve. Also why not a 3 strike rule where if they need to take this action 3 times its then a ban.
- Rob Brammeld
What I find surprising is the fact that this profile with all the letters is still up...
- Holger Eilhard
Flickr needs an ombudsman.
- coldbrew
Scott, a suit wouldn't work. When you sign up for Flickr you basically say they can delete your account for anything that they want really. It's part of the TOS. You agree to it when you join. I guess in part it's just a hope that if eventually the issue got enough attention that they might budge. Maybe someday if/when Flickr has different ownership things might change. Yahoo obviously just doesn't care. I would think they'd care more about their reputation as censors but they do not seem to. Sadly.
- Thomas Hawk
i left flickr some time ago
- Oliver Hörold
I have come across to something similar with the biggest online art website, DeviantArt, where some admins couldn't resist going on powertrips and banning people left & right, just because they could. And from there I learnt there really is only one way to make them change: get a large group of people to not renew their subscription to hurt them in their pocketbook. If they don't hurt financially, it is nearly impossible to make changes.
- Rene Wirtz
Porn airs during Super Bowl - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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"(CNN) -- Super Bowl fans in Tucson, Arizona, caught a different kind of show during Sunday's big game. Just as Cardinals' superstar Larry Fitzgerald watched himself sprint into the end zone on the stadium's Jumbotron during Sunday's Super Bowl, 10 seconds of eye-popping pornographic imagery "flashed" across the screens of those watching at home. "We are mortified by last evening's Super Bowl interruption, and deeply apologize to our customers for the inappropriate programming," Comcast Cable said in a written statement. "Our initial investigation suggests this was an isolated malicious act," the statement added. Comcast, and several local television stations that carried the signal, say they are currently investigating what caused the interruption. "It appears this material was only viewed by some Comcast customers," local Tucson television station KVOA-TV said in a written statement."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Skeevy commercials with half-naked women are OK, but no no - we must not have actual porn! This offends my sensibilities! </morality_police>
- cecily
Tyler Durden was here
- Philip Tomlinson
my money is on a disgruntled employee being 'downsized'
- Neil Bernhart
The ultimate "clothing malfunction".
- Will Cragoe
it WAS a clothing malfunction - she couldn't pull his penis out of his pants - he had to do it
- William Harryman
It's bad enough I feel physically inadequate just watching sports...
- James Hull
Dam, we never get the good stuff in Boston
- John Flynn
really? I had no idea that happened. But that would make sense, me not being in Arizona.
- Josh Haley
FOXNews.com - Octuplets' Mom Wants $2 Million From Oprah, Media Deals - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News - http://www.foxnews.com/story...
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"The single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2 million from media interviews and commercial endorsements to help pay the costs of raising the children. Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 children younger than 8. Although still confined to a Los Angeles hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer. Her family has told agents she needs cash from media deals. Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilization (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both the babies' health and her own."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
This is a case where having a parenting license looks like a good idea. Also a good argument for zero population measures. Who would have thought the movie Idiocracy would actually happen.
- Greg Tarnoff
she'll need it, unless she puts the kids on ebay.
- Anthony Citrano
I'm mostly appalled that the mother, after the irresponsible behavior of having six kids already, gets implanted with eight embryos, taking them all to "full" term. The fact that she now believes she's somehow qualified to advise others on how to care for children, not to mention suck on the teat of big media in order to bankroll that advice, just shows exactly why everyone should NOT listen to her.
- Randy Hall
OK, so she already had six, then went on fertility drugs and has octuplets. Now she's looking for money. Any chance she had the money angle in mind from the very beginning? I know it is a little crass to think it, but I'm really having a hard time understanding why someone would do this.
- Kenton
@Kenton: I was wondering the same thing.
- David Wilson
$2 million is a lot of money to talk about it I'd say. Certainly would not seem good from an appearances standpoint.
- Thomas Hawk
This pisses me the hell off. No Father, 14 kids and now she's complaining she can't afford to raise 14 kids and wants other people to pay for it? Disgusting. I cannot believe then even allowed the procedure to go ahead in the first place, highly irresponsible of the mother and the doctors in my opinion.
- Nick
You go girl!
- John Flynn
Maybe Dr. Phil can explain the difference between a vajayjay and a clown car...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
::groan:: Bad! @ MVB
- CW™
*facepalm*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
+++Mark.ROFL
- Anika
Some of you need only pitchforks and torches to round out your costumes.
- Christopher Harley
I do think it was extremely irresponsible for her to have that many kids, when obviously it was a well-meditated choice to have the last batch and she was already having trouble supporting the first 6. I certainly don't find her qualifications as proving that she can offer good parenting advice... woe be it unto those who look to her as a role model.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I'm sad for her. She's clearly not mentally stable. It's sad for her and for her family and for those kids.
- Rochelle
Exchange Business Cards With Your iPhone and SnapDat - http://mashable.com/2008...
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Anyone use this app for their iPhone for business cards?
- Amani
Apple & Adobe working on Flash for the iPhone - http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/...
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It seems that the iPhone won’t bet getting the previously mentioned Flash Lite version, that Steve Jobs said was too feature limited for the iPhone, there is no word on when Flash will actually become a reality on the iPhone
- sandhal
from Bookmarklet
I know this has been beaten to death already, but my GOD the Flickr integration in iPhoto '09 sucks. No metadata? Groups? Sets? Lame.
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That's disappointing.
- Fee501st
Aretha Franklin's Hat - http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy...
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Love.
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
That's one of them Church Lady Hats.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Looks like something I need to unwrap.; *ducks*
- Helen Sventitsky
One of my favorite episode's of The Wire was the one where damage was done to Omar's grandma's church crown.
- Michelle Jones
aretha's hat is everywhere! http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Cee Bee
I loved it and thought she looked great. I also thought the same thing as Monique. Church lady hat -- but it was a church hat worthy occasion.
- Trish R
That is one big arse bow
- Janet
That's what I like about it. she was wearing it like "Look at my hat, bitches!"
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Not just a big bow, but it's *bedazzled*. Recognize.
- Derrick
What struck me about it -- and I am *such* a white girl- was a parallel to the Queen at a polo game. And that Obama's inauguration is so much more hat worthy than a damn horse match! It is a hat for a spectacular occasion, and this ranked, for sure.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Very churchy
- Valley
Only the Queen of Soul could ever pull that off, and boy howdy, did she... the hat almost matched her voice, but nothin' matches that voice.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
A bit much I think.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
That's quite a bow Derrick
- Morgan Haley
uggghhhh FAIL pic
- sofarsoShawn
R-E-S-E-P-C-T
- Thomas Hawk
Church hats are a special breed, but odds are anyone who hasn't lived in the south or had family in the south won't "get it" there are stores here that sell matching suits and hats for church. There are special lines of hats that are marketed as church hats. It's not as common as it once was, but church hats are meant to make a statement.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
maybe she's a distant relative of the Queen? Ummmm no - FAIL pic
- sofarsoShawn
BIGGER! She's THE QUEEN of soul damnit. If I'm ever queen, er king, of anything I'm wearin' a hat so big I have to turn sideways and duck to get through doorways.
- Steve C
Didn't Dennis Leary point out that the bigger the hat, the closer to God you were? In that case, Aretha is heaven-sent for more than just her voice. Halelujah!
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Oh god, the horror...
- Mona Nomura
ای بابا این گل سر گیلاسی رو دزدیده این خانوم :))))))
- Mil∂d
They should of put her on a Oprah diet.
- bcultral
Whose "they" and what business is it of theirs what size Aretha wears? Aretha is Aretha, and that's about her voice. Judging her weight? That's what's tacky
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
HAT!
- Great Scott!
Aretha is the best. Ever. You better think about the consequences of your actions. You better think about what you say about my hat! Now you are gonna get up and leave without your dry, white toast. Without your 4 fried chickens. And without Matt 'guitar' Murphy! And don't be dissin' my hat bitch!
- Morgan Haley
At least it covers her...figure...partially
- sofarsoShawn
I think it looks good on her.
- Dawn
I think she looks great all wrapped up like a big grey present.
- Martha
What Rudi said.
- B. Hatin
Aretha is Aretha - but man... :\
- Mona Nomura
That's some bad hat, Harry
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
Tina, it's not just a southern thing. It's a black thing, too. We (black people) all know our mamas and grandmother's and that Sunday hat. Those stores are all over this country in black neighborhoods.
- Anika
Ha ha @Chris Nixon
- Kevin L
As the grandson of a Southern minister and a Sunday school teacher, I'm quite familiar with these no holds barred hats. I quite like it actually. Takes me back to my summers in Memphis.
- Derrick
"I am a gift to the world. I dare you to deny it." That's what Aretha's hat says to me.
- cecily
with a voice like that, she can wear the biggest hat in the world if she wants to.
- mashable
I know, Anika. It's kinda like 'soul' food: in other parts of the country it's considered a black thing, but in the south it's just a Southern thing. Hats and greens FTW!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
weird how it almost looks like a completely gray version of the Confederate flag
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
...whoa!
- JA Castillo
She can do no wrong. The bow was ginormous, but if anyone can pull it off, that's Aretha. R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
- Giulia B.
she's totally racist
- sofarsoShawn
She *can't* be racisist, sofarsoshawn: She's wearing a big hat.
- Ken Sheppardson
I actually quite like the hat. and for Aretha, who often wears some really foul fashions, this is glorious. I also think this is another one of those moments we will have to get used to (with Obama as President) where more of black people's culture will be projected to a larger audience.
- jbrotherlove
lol everyone is talking about this hat ... my sister already asked for one for christmas
- Adam Ostrow
I am actually looking forward to more hats in American culture. Look what they do for the British! Hat culture FTW.
- Giulia B.
I want one for Mardi Gras.
- Trish R
Holy whole lotta comments batman! but backing up to Michelle -- YES. Omar's granmamma's church crown. RECOGNIZE, BITCHES.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Aretha can wear what ever hell she wants... honey. :)
- Johnny Worthington
I thought the hat was wonderful! It brought a smile to my face.
- Kevin Gamble
This marks the return of the Bedazzler.
- James Williams
Loved it! At first I thought 'oh my!' But it suits her, very elegant. Agree with Monique, very church lady hat and entirely appropriate for the occasion.
- Sally Church
I thought this hat was sick!!! Loved it.
- Drew Lucas
She is one hot momma. And I LOVE that hat. I want one, only one in burgundy red.
- Paula W
took allotta corn bread and grits to make that atrocity; lotta grits
- sofarsoShawn
hey, if you can pull it off...
- Melissa Maskevich
& stuff in alotta fired chicken
- sofarsoShawn
oh Derrick :) I watched her singing again and all I see is your comment about her hat! LOL!
- Anna Lynn M.
I think it's a great hat. She should come to Australia and watch the racing, it's all about the hats.
- Will Higgins™
the secret service used it to stash weapons, just in case it all went sideways
- Matt Warren
Now that is a church lady hat if I have ever seen one. And such a nice color.
- susan mernit
would that this hat ushers back in an era of fabulous hats in our new camelot--
- Kristen Taylor
wouldn't want to sit behind her in the movie theatre
- ian kennedy
first, the bow is unnaturally large. Second, she was great at the inauguration.
- Andew
What the Palm Pre Stole from the iPhone… and What the iPhone Should Steal From the Pre - http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009...
Rachael Depp, Vincent van Wylick, David Tapper and 3 other people liked this
"What’s more important than dwelling on what the Palm Pre stole from the iPhone is what Palm did to extend, and yes, improve upon it."
- David Bisset (sn)
from Bookmarklet
That's the spirit, David! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Palm need to make sure this v1.0 works reliably. Promise is great but implementation is hard to do well. Unlike the original Palm, WebOS is an ambitious cutting edge software design, rather than one that is modest in its featureset as was the original Pilot.
- Ian Fogg
Apple Going to CES Next Year? Could get really interesting if they do. - http://i.gizmodo.com/5127242...
OMFG! Joe the Plumber heading to Gaza as a war correspondent - http://www.inquisitr.com/14618...
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Kol Tregaskes, Brad Butner, cjmart and 26 other people liked this
Had I been drinking anything I would have just now ruined my computer.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Massive fail
- Mo Kargas
OHELLNO!
- Helen Sventitsky
Talk about capitalizing on your 5 minutes. he's the energizer bunny that just won't quit.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
We can only hope he does the same for pjtv.com that he did for the McCain/Palin ticket.
- Dan Glass
Between this and the porn industry asking for a bailout, I had one hell of a derisive snort-filled afternoon.
- Ayşe E.
why does he look like a cleaned up dance viking?
- alphaxion
I can't wait for his first report: "What Are All These Jews and Arabs Doing in the Holy Land?"
- Steven Perez
Joe the FAIL.
- Clay Newton
Unbelievable. This is too serious a subject to play with. Please somebody arrest him before is too late.
- Carlos Lorenzo
He has a jaw that could bend steel.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
WTH? This cannot be true. WHY?!? Like there aren't more qualified people out there?!? really?!?! Puke. Again the system FAILS!
- Anna Lynn M.
@Brian maybe it's the plumber "look" :)
- Steven Hodson
if he didn't even have the proper credentials to be an unfamous plumber, why would he seek them out for any other "career" choice?
- JoEllen
I think it's a stroke of genius! For the intended audience this is perfect. He's taking a pretty risky move here which could catapult him to bigger and bigger things. Dude has balls. I'm totally not interested in his reports, but I wish him well.
- Internet's Tad
didn't R.E.M. write a song about this?
- Sarah Crisman
@Anna The system didn't fail in this regards. He's free to do whatever he wants to do. If he wishes to go to a foreign country and dodge Israeli bombs or Hamas fighters then he has that choice. I don't see how you can fault the system for this?
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Just another Ohio boy, high in the middle and round on the ends.
- Phil Boiarski
The shark has jumped The Fonz
- Micah Wittman
If Panetta can run the CIA and Franken is a senator then I guess Joe being a reporter isnt' that much of a stretch for me.
- Keith - @tsudo
As opposed to the Like feature on ff, there should be an Oppose, so that we may show either support or distaste.
- Phoenix
at first this didn't make any sense, so I read the article - he was hired by PajamasMedia, which is not exactly known for its journalistic integrity - they employ Michelle Malkin
- William Harryman
Gee's people this guy isn't this bad. I think he is cool.
- Colide81 (James)
here's him talking about it - http://tiny.pl/63d1
- William Harryman
James, I think the frustration is that he's not qualified as a journalist, just as I'm not. I mean, people got annoyed when Geraldo became a war correspondent, and he'd at least had experience as a 'reporting TV personality'.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I thought this was an Onion article before clicking on the link.
- Type Micah
@Tina Well Obama didn't seem qualified to me, to be President, but I am not sitting here complaining about it. I am just going to wait for Obama to start to screw up and then I will laugh. If Joe is as bad as you think he is then just wait for him to screw up. Anyhow you haven't seen him do anything having to do with journalism we have no idea how good or bad he will be. Give him time.
- Colide81 (James)
And oh to those that think Joe the Plumber helped McCain lose, no he didn't. It was because of McCain, and no one else.
- Colide81 (James)
Valid argument, James, but to me moving from one role to another within an industry (i.e. politics) is very different from moving from one industry to an entirely different industry. Your second point is still valid, all we can do is watch to see what happens.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
wow...what the f**k?
- Enrique Gutierrez
lame
- Kyle Weller
Take a easy. We all know that it is a show. He just needs more 15 minutes of fame.
- attesafan
I don't really mind that he is a professional journalist. You don't need J-school to have a voice. How many of us bloggers have been to J-school? How many of us would like to oppotunity to be paid full time for reporting and blogging? Good for Joe.
- Keith - @tsudo
"Here's the reason why Gaza is is trouble... A wad of tissue was clogging everything"
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What? Well, I dont' know much about Joe the plumber, other than, well...his name is Joe, and he is a plumber. But when did he turn journalist?
- Adriana
Who? ... Oh now I think I remember his three seconds of fame. Oops. Did I say that outloud? :P
- Mona Nomura
lol outsanity...a comment that was actually funnier than the story!
- cjmart
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