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Whew. Just realized today is the 7th anniversary of the end of my life. The day I went in for my CABG, and the day I had my last cigarette.
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Congrats! I'm one year out on stent placement. My vice was cheesburgers/fast food. Haven't been to a burger chain in 15 months. Hope we both have many more anniversaries of trouble-free heart years! :-)
- Adam Turetzky
Congratulations, Dave!
- David Sifry
Congratulations!
- Tudor Bosman
10/28 is mine
- anna sauce
CABG is my favorite procedural name to say out loud.
- Rochelle
Congratulations, and I hope you're with us for many many more years, Dave.
- Rick Cogley
I haven't seen many guesses about where the name Google Wave came from. Care to speculate what inspired the name?
Atul Arora, Kishore Balakrishnan, Varun Mahajan and 25 other people liked this
Sound waves?
- Louis Gray
Waves on the beach of Australia?
- Louis Gray
WAVE = Will Anyone Value Email?
- Louis Gray
It came from a name that isn't yet trademarked by someone else for a similar web type of service
- Charbax
the team is from Australia right - don't all Aussies drink beer and surf? :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Are Jens and Lars danish guys? As with the V8 engine, I guess some Danes are good programmers..
- Charbax
ooh, ouch, Charbax. I was thinking something along the lines of "it's a particle ... it's a wave"
- Laura Norvig
"'Wave' goodbye to the Internet as you know it?"
- Martin Bryant
Yes, yes we do
- Glenn Slaven
Hang on, sending a message in Firefly was called sending a wave!
- Glenn Slaven
I think it effectively evokes the concept of rich flows of information.
- Daniel Shaw
No idea what inspired it, but here's my interpretation - communication is like a Mexican wave - one person starts, others join in, and the wave moves from person to person and back again.
- Elpie
Glenn, good one: http://sendingawave.wordpress.com
- Daniel Shaw
Yeah, that's a good podcast if you're a Browncoat
- Glenn Slaven
What would be nice is if it could automatically highlight the good stuff and make big waves of the stuff that deserves to be spread around, not having to necessarily build huge blog/twitter followers over months and years of melding into that type of web communities to have a voice and to be heard
- Charbax
Because Google Spouts was taken?
- Brent - Yes I am
Wave goodbye to email?
- Julian
Hokusai's Wave
- Michael Stearns
Dude! Australia right/ So, like "Catch the Google Wave" dude!
- Alan Bleiweiss
@Julian, and Wave goodbye to Blogs, wikis, Twitter, Facebook and Twitter as well..
- Charbax
That's some interesting suggestions very quickly. :)
- Matt Cutts
Yeah, but are any of them right?
- Glenn Slaven
Because the waves are above the (fail) whales?
- Andy Murdoch
Glenn, the Wave folks would be the final word, so you'd have to ask them for confirmation. But it seems like a fair question to ask the team.
- Matt Cutts
WAVE =? Wiki Api Visualization Extensions
- imabonehead
Charbax, I'm watching the demo video from http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
- Matt Cutts
from the sea?
- Designs and Development
From the novel "The Wave" about the rise of nazi-like movement.
- Allan Sørensen
Just be thankful it's not Microsoft's Squirt...
- Johnny
I'm assuming its because it includes all forms of web communication. "Classical" communication has been attributed to EM waves... probably a weak guess, but what the hell, I guessed.
- Len Estrada
Natural especially with the stream being a popular term, I want them to rename bugs to sharks :)
- Joe Dawson
Rocking the boat makes waves.
- Louis Gray
@Johnny Worthington: That's even funnier if I imagine you saying it with your Aussie twang.
- Martin Bryant
The messages that bounce between participants in the conversation can be seen as a wave bouncing between walls. When this conversation involves more people, there's more interaction and more synergy, the wave may turn into a tsunami (hm... of enjoyment and creativity), which I guess is what Google Wave team hopes to facilitate.
- Nenad Nikolic
It was intended to create a ripple effect throughout the industry and hence the name wave. Or it might suggest that it was supposed to wash away BING!
- Saurav Verma
I agree with Glenn :-). If its not a salute to Firefly, it should be!
- grgisme
An old Alan Watts quote ? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Are media objects Waves or Particles?
- zeroinfluencer
Because "Google Tsunami" would get the notice of antitrust regulators..?
- Sprague D
because googlefeed and gwitter sounded too much like their competitors
- Jamie Vidamour
Named after a Patti Smith album??
- Ian
GROOVE was already taken?
- Gary Burge
I don't know where the name came from, but I think the name fits it perfectly.
- Ocean
Well you can't go surfing until you've got a good wave - Aussie beaches got those. -[
- Chris Loft
I would bet it's a particle physics implicate order type reference.
- Todd Hoff
Well it's already come crashing down on Microsoft's Bing announcement. Fitting.
- Michelle Tripp
I guess because calling it "The Dog's B*ll*cks" didn't sit well with the Marketing guys..? :-)
- Andrew Terry
"Hey! Why don't we give our product a NAME this time? Instead of like Calendar, GMail, and MAPS", "I dunno...", "It worked well for Chrome", "Sure I guess."
- tehKenny
Google tells me "We liked how the word is associated with communication in so many ways -- from hand waves, to sound or electromagnetic waves. Waves also symbolized Australia for us. And, of course, who could resist the endless supply of puns?"
- Philipp Lenssen
Alrighty then--glad you asked, Philipp. Glenn Slaven, I was watching the video of the demo and I noticed that Stephanie Hannon did a poll of people's favorite movies and she included Serenity in the list, along with Star Trek and Star Wars. I thought including Serenity was pretty cool.
- Matt Cutts
Mexican wave???
- Roberto Bonini
only when you're not looking, Mark. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Surfing the web ... riding the wave?
- Sajid Umerji
Say hi to your friends by Waving, they wave in planes, you ride a wave to bring you into shore, business is in waves, sound travels in waves umm sounds like they are wishing WAVE's of people upon their service
- JuneM
Communication - Collaboration Duality
- Tinfoil 2.0
A few guesses: 1) They really like going to the beach. 2) Waving is a gesture, 3) A wave is also representative of a stream - of data, of sound, of whatever.
- David Sifry
Firefly, it is. http://whedonesque.com/comment...
- Jérôme
Some stats from Twitter conference compared to Google:
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Twitter is seeing about 200 tweets per second, during peak loads.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is seeing about 10gigs of new data created every day.
- Robert Scoble
Google is seeing 4 billion queries per day. How many is that per second? 46,296
- Robert Scoble
Whew, that's a lot of queries.
- Robert Scoble
I think the 4B is just API calls. That's not counting, you know, actual search queries. :)
- Matt Cutts
200 tweets per second is a lot less than I thought.
- Adam Jackson
Matt: that's wild.
- Robert Scoble
if twitter grows to the size of facebook i.e 200 million so 10 times... thats still only 2k per second...
- Robert O'Callaghan
Adam: that's according to people who are getting the firehose feed.
- Robert Scoble
I assumed it would be more than that, too.
- Robert Scoble
Ah ok. Which, to my knowlede is just google, friendfeed and just a few other "partners" do we know who is a firehose partner?
- Adam Jackson
But, looking through the data it seems most people don't tweet very often.
- Robert Scoble
And that is because Twitter is just getting to be popular in the rest of the world, wait to see what is coming..
- Julian Flores
sort of weird comparison, tweets are writes and queries are reads
- Kiran Patchigolla
Adam: we don't have a comprehensive list, no. There are others, though.
- Robert Scoble
And are firehose partners getting ALL tweets?
- Julian
Robert: have you spoken to Nick from tweetmeme - he has some real good stats regarding rt's, data growth over the last 2 years etc
- Robert O'Callaghan
Kiran: yeah, it's not a good comparision, to be sure. But if there's only 200 tweets a second I seriously doubt that Twitter search is seeing many people hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: nope, I need to, though.
- Robert Scoble
Julian: according to the people getting the firehose feed, they are supposed to be getting every Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: not my blog but some stats from Nick at @devnest http://dalelane.co.uk/blog...
- Robert O'Callaghan
The people who are getting the firehose feed also say that it's very difficult to deal with the data flow at the level it is today (and they say that even Twitter isn't doing very well at it, look at how bad Twitter search was last week). THey all are wondering how they will deal when Twitter's traffic is 100x what it is today.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: this is what I love about friendfeed. The post gets better over time because of everyone's participation. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
10 Gigs of data per day is not much.
- Louis Gray
Robert: yes I love FF too :-) Found the slides from Nick http://www.slideshare.net/nickhal...
- Robert O'Callaghan
Yes that's what I don't understand Robert, 200 tweets/s x 160 chars (including headers) = 32kB a second. This is not difficult to deal with, surely (+XML / JSON overhead, still tiny amounts)
- Julian
Louis: it's not much, but it's all text. The real struggle that many of these companies have is with photos and video and other data types. It's very expensive to deal with all this data. I wonder if we could decrease the cost of hosting and dealing with it all by sharing the data in some way?
- Robert Scoble
Julian: it's not the per second amount that's difficult to deal with. It's that the size of databases keeps growing. Remember the guy who bragged about having 800 million rows in his database?
- Robert Scoble
Now, what happens if you need to resort your database? Or do something else funky?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're asking the right questions. The biggest growth areas in data today are in files and rich media - including photos, videos, etc. We're all creating more and more, but nobody is deleting.
- Louis Gray
It is expensive to store the data and to transfer the data. Networks have gotten larger, disks have gotten larger (and cheaper per GB), but the disk speeds themselves are not increasing, and servers are largely processor-bound, so you see low utilization rates.
- Louis Gray
Louis: yup, and the folks I talked with say that if you want really fast response like what friendfeed has you've gotta pay for expensive SSD devices for your datacenter. I don't know if that's absolutely true, but it sounds reasonable, especially for systems with lots of databases and lots of indexing and lots of reading.
- Robert Scoble
there's a new o/r mapper available to Java programmers that lets them write programs in a typical relational-backend fashion, but behind-the-scenes large files are transparently stored in Amazon S3 cloud storage and the database rows are stored in Amazon SimpleDB.
- Brian Hendrickson
How about adding friendfeed stats here too.. (if somebody knows already!)
- Jigar Mehta
Louis: but I wonder if that data will have worth in the future - mining photos for example for data about your friends, family and holiday destinations.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: A significant amount of data is infrequently accessed. And as Scoble is saying, you are looking to have SSDs at what's called Tier 0. The best enterprise storage devices have multiple tiers of disk and automatic policy-based data migration between tiers from high performance disk, like SSD and Fibre Channel, to high density SATA.
- Louis Gray
But if you assume data will be there, most people won't mind having some latency on data retrieval for older information, so slower SATA (like in your laptop) is just fine.
- Louis Gray
Maybe it's just me, but speaking with people around the queries issue made me realize these are still big numbers for most average sized companies. You might think that giants like Google, Microsoft or Facebook can easily take care this amount of requests but many other small startups would probably find it difficult to handle.
- Nir Ben Yona
Good point Robert, 200 tweets / s = 6.3 billion rows for one year of tweets. But still surprised this is an issue these days. Anecdotally, even MySQL can support billions of rows.
- Julian
That's an interesting Google datapoint, it explains the aircraft hangers full of servers. The scaling challenge for Twitter however is less related to 200 tweets being posted per second, more about all those Twitter clients hammering their API trying to get them out in real time. Firehoses aside, does anyone know how many API hits Twitter gets per second?
- Bob Hitching
Every incorrect assumption in this post seems to think that 1 tweet on twitter = 1 database row = "So easy!". You've left out the user fanout! One Obama Tweet = 1M database rows, someplace.
- netik
Twitter bought a load of kit a month or so back - at @devnest we were told it was to do with search. People had noticed it had shrunk in size from year dot to only two weeks worth. Anyone know if it expanded back to the beginning or have they closed that door?
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: The data set of Twitter's Search can be as little as 4 days. Do a search on tweets "from Oprah" for example, and you will see none.
- Louis Gray
Performance I doubt is an issue at this level. Remember the hadoop statistics? http://developer.yahoo.net/blogs... processing videos, photos etc is definitely a different ballgame
- Kiran Patchigolla
Thank you for all of this Robert, you are such an eternal giver.
- Thomas Power
At a basic level we're talking about storage and distribution. Data is stored somewhere until someone requests it and it's then distributed. In this scenario there are at least two potential bottlenecks or problem areas. There is currently no infinite storage space and there is currently no infinite amount of bandwidth to distribute it. Plus it's a two way distribution network, we're...
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- Gilbert Harding
The best comparison would be Google's web crawler new page discovery rate to Twitter's new status rate. The read rate on Twitter is many orders of magnitude above the write rate-- the comparison of Google QPS to Twitter API calls. Furthermore, the total Twitter user-driven write rate is much larger than the new public statuses rate, which is what the firehose represents. Think of all...
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- John Kalucki
No one in their right mind would use a relational database to store all this data - the biggest issue is that you have SO MANY synchronous writes as well as index and key changes per second. A stream-fed architecture is ideal for this, and 200 inputs a second is easily parseable. TIBCO is an exampleof a very heavyweight version of a streaming service, as Steve Wilhelm mentioned above.
- David Sifry
This uncovers the secret to what may be twitter's eventual financial success and ability to resist being acquired. I'm reminded of the recent techcrunch article proposing that youtube would have been unable to survive as a standalone entity because of the enormous cost of storing all of the video data
- keith kleiner
Louis: They've 'fixed' the from:oprah query, now - two tweets show up, both from the last 24 hours. http://search.twitter.com/search... This of course supports your point.
- Shéa Bennett
Our social media marketing experiment is underway at http://www.flickr.com/photos... -- Maryam and I have an announcement! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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More on Gillmor Gang in at 3 p.m. Pacific Time http://live.twit.tv -- we did this experiment two years ago and it'll be interesting to see how the marketers pick up on this announcement this time.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Hey, congratulations Robert!
- Mark Trapp
Congrats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Congrats Robert :) hope you and the family are donig okay, and Congrats. again! :)
- Ahmed
Congratulations!!
- Anne Bouey
Congrats to you both!
- Thomas Hawk
you might wanna check that link Robert...
- Aron Michalski
Congrats!
- Eric - seven eleven
Aron: I fixed the link to http://live.twit.tv -- thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats :) You are catching me up! SXSW was a hoot btw.
- Benjamin
Congratulations there! Very enthousiastic photo indeed, the smile is contagious; made me smile over here :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Robert, congratulations to you and Maryam! and Patrick and Milan, too. :)
- Karoli
Congratulations!
- Verena Fuchs
Patrick: yeah, we're having fun! We'll have the family on the Gillmor Gang shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know how to type it with the Farsi characters, but Maryam will understand it: Moubarak! :)
- directeur
Congratulations and good luck.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Congratz Robert :)
- Timo Heuer
My son Patrick's reaction? "Have you ever heard of protection?" Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
That is nothing new I heard that here too.
- Dan Krivolavek
Congratulations.
- Rachel Clarke
congradulations!@
- chaz2b
Congratulations! This means even more noise in the world of tomorrow
- sdfx
Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!!!
- David Sifry
from twhirl
Congratulations. :)
- JA Castillo
Congrats!
- Jeremy Brooks
Congrats Robert and Maryam! Health, wealth and happiness to you and your family.
- AJ Kohn
congratulations to you and your family
- Jeff Sandquist
oh Robert that's wonderful news. love to you both
- Erin @queenofspain
Congrats!
- Jay Neff
Hope this time you have a girl:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Congratulations!
- Loren Heiny
Congratulations, Maryam and Robert!! This is really exciting news!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Congrats, Robert! Milan will have soon somebody to play with.
- Jordi Soler
from twhirl
Congrats!! That's so exciting!
- Just Kidée: Road Warrior
Congratulations...exciting!!
- Moushumi Kabir
Thanks everyone! We're just trying to keep up with the Grays! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Awesome! congratulations
- Martha
Congratulations!
- Paul
Those look like ultrasound pics...congratulations!
- Catherine Novak
Congrats! :)
- Rochelle
Ahh, now we are in my *social media comfort zone* Posterior placenta, about 10-13 week gestational age by viewing. Nice extremities and profile with nasal bone visualized already (soft marker for Down's when absence of nasal bone). Nice job!
- Janet:#TeamMonique
Congratulations! :-)
- Daniel Rowley
Wonderful, congratulations
- Bill McFarland
Congrats to both of you!
- Sandra
Congrats. You must really enjoy sleepless nights :)
- Paul Bainbridge
congrats..!! good wishes =)
- Praveen Vasudev
Congrats! And ENJOY every minute of it! It passes qucik!!
- David Slater
from twhirl
Wow! I hope I didn't spoil it earlier. I was totally just guessing. Congratulations Robert and Maryam!!!
- Jesse Stay
Congrats to you both :D
- craterdweller
Not the first, and certainly not the last, but by God the most sincere Congratulations!
- Bob Stewart
from BuddyFeed
Twitter says, "you are unable to father more people. Please read about our fathering limits." :-D Mazeltov!
- Karim
You will join a very exclusive group that will have twittered the birth of two children :)
- Christian Burns
Wooooo congrats!!!
- Simon Wicks
Congratulations Scobles :D
- Johnny
awwwww... congratulations to you and your family.
- Yolanda
We did same here, maybe same day, but no photos...the little "bug" needed a macro lens & the sonogram operator couldn't find one. Not polite in public what she did use but it is an internal device, an alternative to the belly transponder, and said shape is usually known by another name. Rather surprising in the further context that the sono operator was a very cute, young blonde. Confusing day. Russians (wife) keep such announcements secret until the second trimester, so I'm not allowed to speak.
- Douglas Hopkins
Douglas: yeah, we kept ours quiet until week 12 and also Maryam had a test to make sure the baby doesn't have Downs.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Robert!
- Hutch Carpenter
Whoa! Congratulations you guys!!!
- Charlie Anzman
congrats! many good wishes
- Pico Seno
Congratulations!!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
congratulations are in order, you two!
- Micah
Wow congratulations to you both!
- Sally Church
Congrats! Great news. A lot of changes lately.
- jjprojects
wow congra...!
- mohammadk
Regarding "marketing experiment" - I forget where I read it, but someone said that the most successful advertising is the stuff that doesn't look like advertising at all, because it does such an outstanding job of meeting your needs. Valid points in your post, and there's no reason why smaller services can't try to meet their users' needs also. For example, look at all of the fuss over how services suggest users. What if your personal suggested users on Twitter were to suddenly include pediatricians?
- John E. Bredehoft
Mazal Tov!!
- Orli Yakuel
Congratulations are in order! Good luck with the upcoming baby.
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
Tabrik migoyam! تبریک می گویم
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Let me add my congratulations to everyone's! Cheers!
- Steve Lowe
gratz!!
- timepilot
Mazel tov!
- Alan Chamberlain
from twhirl
Congratulations Big Daddy! Congrats to Mom also!
- Tony C
Best wishes and congratulations :-) Greetings from Norway!
- Hanna Wiszniewska
No matter when the children come. Congratulations!!!
- Moses Kpetigo
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Jim Connolly
Congratulations! Best wishes to you both!
- Tamara
Congrats big guy!!!!!!!!!! please twitter any diaper related questions to @answers ;-)
- Jason Calacanis
Robert Scoble, growing Friendfeed one user at a time :) congratulations!
- Christian Anderson
Congrats Robert and Maryam. Best of Luck to you both.....
- Alex Marrow
Your baby is a celebrity even before he/she is born. Congrats!
- Alekkus
Congratulations from Italy!
- Cristian Conti
Awesome! 3rd BABY Scoble on the way! Cheers to you and your family!! How blessed you must feel right now. You've been through quite a bit of positive change lately - impressive!! Can't wait to hear more :)
- Susan Beebe
Congratulations!!! Solo parent duty this weekend and missed the announcement. Of course tinyprints.com would like to step up to the plate when the time comes.
- Rick Bucich
Can someone give me a definition of what being "passive-aggressive" means, some people tell me I am that, probably bad news.... :)
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Passive-aggressive behavior refers to passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following authoritative instructions in interpersonal or occupational situations. It can manifest itself as resentment, stubbornness, procrastination, sullenness, or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is, often explicitly, responsible. It is a defense mechanism and more often...
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- net
from Alert Thingy
actually it's a personality disorder, generally appears when stepping into adolescence. a kinda way to resist doing things and showing expected behavior due to not believing their alleged positive outcomes... As an entrepreneur of web 2.0 age, P-A can be a positive asset somehow. that could mean you deny to act traditional but don't disclose your denial loudly and instead silently go with your way. that was a "bright side" p.o.v :)
- Berk D. Demir
My quick & dirty version: a overly, polite waiter that adds extra ingredients to your food because the customer was over-demanding. The waiter never stops being too polite in the dining room but goes creepily, ballistic behind closed doors. Look at the movie "Office Space" for examples:)
- Roney Smith
wow what great comments, it is a terrible trait in my experience normally attributed to low self esteem cowards who can't deal with issues directly and enjoy the sport of thinking they're putting something over on their victims
- mike "glemak" dunn
some say fear & envy contributes to passive aggressive behavior -- passion patience & persistence cannot replace accountability (or wisdom or maturity)
- Scott Moskowitz
I've noticed BigCo workers tend to be more passive aggressive too. Larger work environments encourage people to bite their tongue, but then those people tend to let it out in other ways. In a startup you simply cannot tolerate passive agressive behaviour. Ifyou have a problem you need to be up front and honest about it. I've seen it tear working relationships apart. You have to be up front :)
- David Petar Novakovic
from twhirl
it's like the lady in the super market that says 'excuuuuse me' - but really means 'get out of my way'......a very nice way of being not so nice...i think it's cultural, in the us people are sometimes polite even if they dont want to be...:)
- yat
david: like your comment/take startups vs bigco right on, neither can afford but tends to be more prevalent in bigco & disastrous in startup...
- mike "glemak" dunn
basic terms: you're usually quiet (passive) but can be aggressive when you want something or something doesn't go your way. The mid point is usually considered assertive which is where you want to be. (there's personality traits as well, but it was years ago I did the course)
- Duncan Riley
look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..., this isn't bad either: http://www.straightdope.com/columns...
- David Sifry
from twhirl
I wonder if Gandhi was passive aggressive? I have a friend who is aggressive passive. He gets violently angry about stuff he doesn't really care about. Not kidding.
- anna sauce
it's the opposite of how I am at work ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
it's definitely better than being straight-out aggressive
- Wil
from MojiPage Bot
kiss my ass Loic. prove your not passive-aggressive. then get down and eat my cornhole. you know? like you licked @QueenOfSpain
- NoahDavidSimon
short explanation: tendancy towards not acting, not being outwardly aggressive, but in fact being aggressive in subtle, often socially acceptable ways. If you still read books: "comment gérer les personnalités difficiles", by Lelord and André. Fascinating and life-changing read. (But you have to read it yourself.)
- Stephanie Booth
These are good illustrations: http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/
- Rubin Sfadj
how about... just googling it yourself?
- Jeremy Toeman
Nice passive-aggressive response, Jeremy. Heh.
- Phil Glockner
*technically* it wasn't p-a, but i thought it still... worked. ;)
- Jeremy Toeman
Loic's question is p-a per se -- a proactive person would have googled it on the spot.
- Rubin Sfadj
you've never struck me as a passive aggressive person! you're pretty direct.
- Veronica
I will re ask your question with passive aggresion, "Can you at some point if you can find the time define what passive aggresive means? I mean it dosen't have to be right now, but I really need to know for a post, and I just hope I can get an answer right away if not sooner..but no rush!"
- Mike Lewis
if someone tells you that you are "passive-aggressive" they just don´t have the guts to tell you that you seem aggressive to them
- Dieter Schwarz
Telling someone they're p-a is a p-a way of letting them know you don't like them.
- Rubin Sfadj
ok - that´s straight to the point! you win! *gg*
- Dieter Schwarz
I can't believe the number of comments here! Net, thanks for using Twhirl!
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Passive-aggressive people (often Enneagram 9) get "angry", but might not know exactly why they are angry for hours-days-weeks, so the "anger" often leaks out in other ways. Some people can be passive-aggressive on purpose, but many simply don't know YET why they are angry. This term greatly confused me until I had both a girlfriend and a boss who were passive-aggressive. In my family, we just got "angry" - plain & simple.
- Mitchell Tsai
here is Passive Aggresive Anger Release Machine (in French) http://www.trendsnow.net/trends_...
- Pokai
The Mystery of the Lost Texan - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Could it be the rapture?
- David Sifry
from Bookmarklet
Facebook's valuation (in Whoppers) - http://www.kottke.org/09...
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is $1.8 billion, according to Burger King's implied valuation. Funny/insightful post by Kottke.
- David Sifry
from Bookmarklet
Home « HearPlanet - http://www.hearplanet.com/
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Turn your cell phone into a talking tour guide. We provide travel info on points of interest that really speak to you.
- Howard Rheingold
Neat. Perhaps there's some interesting tie-ins with Offbeat Guides. Mmmm.
- David Sifry
Damn I hate my canon 5d so much. 60% of my shots today are returning error 99 when they try to write to the card. This camera is such a piece of crap. And a month after they were supposed to ship the mark 2 I still haven't received my preorder. I hate canon so much right now.
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You deleted you old entry that I commented to. :(
- Tyler (Chacha)
Oh yeah, that famous Err99... :(
- Holger Eilhard
Soon my friend, it will be all over and you'll be in happy Canon-land once again!
- Ryan
You should switch to Nikon, followed by a deeply discounted sale of all of your Canon gear.
- David Thomas
Headed over to shoot that giant Felix the cat head car dealership thingy.
- Thomas Hawk
yikes -- I'm thinking about going Nikon for my first DSLR. This a from Canon user
- Shey
Thomas, have you tried reformatting the CF card, or using a different CF card?
- David Sifry
This has nothing to do with your 5D. Which lens? That is a lens communication error. I used to get this with my 70-200mm L IS. Cleaning the connectors on the back of the lens is your first start. Check to see if the lens that this is happening with is known to have this problem. Some older lenses require a tune up by Canon.
- Jim Goldstein
Amazon is still showing kits available - http://astore.amazon.com/saouri-...
- planetMitch
Yeah I don't think it's the lens or the cards. I'm getting the same error on three different cards and on my 135mm, 50mm, 24mm and 14mm. The power keeps going out on the camera as well with the only way to revive it being to remove and reinsert the battery.
- Thomas Hawk
The following link has step by step instructions on isolating the cause of your Error 99 - http://www.richardsnotes.org/archive... - Look for "Update #2"
- Joakim Erdfelt
Grrr. It's getting worse. I can't believe I'm going to be stuck shooting with my 10d for the rest of this trip.
- Thomas Hawk
OI GRUMPY some would kill for a 10D so shhhh
- Phill Price
Sorry to hear of your camera troubles, Thomas...I've noticed a lot of places are starting to have the Canon 5D Mark ll kit in stock now... if that helps any.
- Susan Dennis
Yeah, I'm grumpy. I expect more from a $3,000 camera. These problems are costing me a lot of time today. I'm going to have to bail on John Candy's grave and just head straight to Peterson's automotive museum.
- Thomas Hawk
"Good, I can feel your anger. Take your D3X. Press that shutter down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards Nikon will be complete!"
- Johnny
Thomas -- I thought your 5D had already exceed by a long shot its expected shutter life? By that standard you have already received your $3000 worth of value?
- Brian Sullivan
Hey, thanks for that link joakim, I just used a pencil eraser on the contacts and will see if that helps.
- Thomas Hawk
Ok, not so grumpy anymore. First, thanks a million joakim for that link. The eraser trick worked and my error 99 problems are gone. 2nd, Peterson's automotive museum is spectacular. Highly recommended if you like to shoot fine automobiles!
- Thomas Hawk
where is this museum?
- Paula W
Pencil eraser? That's it? I'm amazed
- Morton Fox
I'm liking this just because it had a happy outcome.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
What Alex said.
- Derrick
How about a repair? Hope you get your 5D MKII soon.
- Håkan Dahlström
Where is Thomas Hawk? His last post was Tuesday. On second though I don't want to interrupt his family time.
- Russellreno
still around. Out in Angeles National Forest with dial up only access that's barely dial up at that. That and focusing on shooting alot. My 99 errors have returned to my 5D. Really sucks. Going to try and shoot Bukowski's grave today, the MONA (finally) and meeting up with a guy in Long Beach at 3pm to shoot some industrial stuff down there tonight. Should be a good day. Shot Ventura Blvd. on Christmas Eve night. The Cadillac dealership there is fantastic.
- Thomas Hawk
Ha! I was thinking of heading up to Angeles to do a photowalk with the kids.
- Anika
my 5D Mark II is still on backorder with Wolf. I wouldn't mind near as much if my current 5D wasn't handling so badly. It's really frustrating when you can't get 60% of your shots. It really slows things down.
- Thomas Hawk
send it my way, I pay top dollar ;o)
- sofarsoShawn
time to upgrade to Nikon!!!...
- Fernando
My Error 99 problem has gone from bad to worse on my 5D. i can barely get the camera on any more. I have to take the battery out and reinsert it about 30 times in order to get the power on the camera. As soon as I get my new Mark II this sick puppy is going in for repair. Fortunately I bought a 3 year warranty on it from Mack. Hopefully Mack honors the warranty as the camera's only a year and a half old.
- Thomas Hawk
Officially giving up on my 5D. Shooting neon signs this afternoon/tonight with my 10D.
- Thomas Hawk
Have you tried with a different card brand? What about a different size?
- Alejandro Ramirez
I started getting these for the first time last night and I had no idea what was going on.
- Andrew Trinh
Hey you camera enthusiasts, I called someone a shutterbug a few weeks ago and drew a blank. Is that a bad thing? I find nothing on Google.
- MiniMage
Watching IT Crowd taking the piss out of social networks and finding it's send up a bit close to home.
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The IT Crowd is one of the best shows on TV today.
- David Sifry
DIY iPhone Airplane Holder - http://www.random-good-stuff.com/2008...
This wins today's award for "Damn good idea that is easy tim implement, useful, convenient, cool, and FREE!"
- David Sifry
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As a Macworld Speaker, I can comp in a few guests tot he Expo. Anyone need a pass?
Ooh, sure! Can I get two? ;-)
- David Sifry
I'm pissed at Adorama - I preordered my Canon 5DMkIIon the day of the announcement, and no word from them on ship date. Grrr!
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rumor has it most won't get shipped until mid to late december!
- Damien Franco
Well that pisses me off even more!I'm wondering why some of my friends already have theirs but no luck for me. :-(
- David Sifry
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I'm thinking that the people I know who have them got them from Canon directly. Has anyone received a mark II from a retailer yet?
- Leo Laporte
Check this site regularly: http://www.photographybay.com/2008...
- Ryan
Same story with Amazon.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The typical wait with no info for new cool camera stuff. I had the same kind of wait for a Nikon lens.
- Eric - seven eleven
I've been using Supercoupon.com to keep track of availability: http://tr.im/1rsa - they say nobody has it.
- Leo Laporte
Long Island, New York. Sleepy. Big day tomorrow.
Ooh, my old haunts. Where on the Island are you?
- David Sifry
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Okay, so I'm thinking about getting a new camera come the new year. I'm debating between the 5D (mk I) and the 50D since the price difference is about $100 now. the big draw to the 50D is I can still use all my EF-S lenses. The big draw to the 5D is full frame. Anyone have experience with both?
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Justin, I'm looking to switch gears and make my dabbling with food photography more than just a hobby. I was advised to go with the 5D because it is full frame. That's about the extent of my knowledge. Last time I was this entrenched with photography, we were all still shooting film.
- Derrick
i'd go with the 5d and keep your 20d on reserve as the secondary body. the pluses (feature/capability-wise) of the 5d outweigh the 50.
- Carlos Ayala
Exactly. What Carlos said. ;)
- Derrick
Carlos - I agree, but here is my thought process...if I wasn't considering making a dab into the photography world (portraits, events, etc), I would probably get the 50d so I would continue to be able to use my lenses. So, why not get the 50d now, rent the 5D on gigs that I get paid for and as/if the money flows, buy higher end gear then.
- Justin Korn
Not even close. 5D all the way.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I knew your thoughts on it :) but considerng my comment above, what do you think?
- Justin Korn
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What EF-S lenses? I agree the 5D (full frame) is attractive but if you are attached to those lenses then keeping a crop might be the way to go.
- Andrew Smith
I've got the 40D and I've avoided buying EF-S lenses for the reason I knew I'd want a 5D. Saving for the 5D MkII and will be looking to unload the 40D
- Andrew Smith
I'm waiting for the 5D MkII to become widepsread in the next month or so, and hope to pick up an original 5D on the cheap. Speaking of, any good and reputable used camera places online to keep on my radar? I know of keh.com and the used stuff on bhphotovideo.com
- Derrick
Remember, the camera body is the single lEAST important part of the photography workflow. In order of importance to making great photographs:1) Your brain. 2)The light. 3)The lens. 4)The body. Having said that, if you're going to spend the $$$ and the 5D is only $100 more, go get the 5D. Then get some great glass. for food photography, you'd probably be really happy with a 50mm f2 macro.
- David Sifry
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For 100 bucks more, I'd go with the 5D. Better low light performance and full frame. Having to give up some lenses is a bummer, but you can sell them and put that cash towards a new EF lens.
- Jeremy Brooks
I think I might go with the 50D simply because it's 3 years newer. The 5D is a great camera, but if you're going to lose your EF-S lenses it's more than $100 more in the end. A 5D warrants good glass, be prepared to upgrade to L glass to really make the most of the system.
- Ryan
The 5D is a great camera. I believe it has better low light performance than the 50D. If you want to shoot wide angle, the full frame will make that much easier. I'd consider selling the EF-S glass and getting one or two good pieces of "L" glass regardless of which body you go with.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I have a 5D, which I dearly love, but there is one downside for people who don't own a bunch of expensive L lenses. You will really need those expensive L lenses to get the most out of the 5D. If you have them or you have budget for them, I would say go with the 5D hands down.
- Michael Hocter
Oh, and that stuff about the body being the least important part of photography... That may have been true with film cameras, but it doesn't ring true in the digital era. I think the sensor, processor, and software inside the body are now at least as important as the lenses. Anyway, both of these bodies will produce pretty stunning photographs, the imaging quality will be fairly similar. The 50D is probably a little better at flash photography and of course long teles, and the 5D is better for wide angle.
- Michael Hocter
I'm having the same debate, and came down on the side of the 5D. For what I shoot - portraits, landscapes, architectural - the 50D's benefits don't really matter, and it seems like overall image quality is better with the 5D. And some zoom lenses (like the 24-105 f/4L) cover a much more useful range on the full-frame camera.
- David Moore
Thanks for all the input so far. @David Sifry - I'm going to have to agree with Micheal Hocter on that camera bodies are in fact an important factor these days. Since I find myself in a lot of low light situations, a sensor that can handle 1600 ISO+ is really important to me...particularly when zoom lenses (typically what I use for events) don't particularly come less then f/2.8.
- Justin Korn
As for investing in L lenses, again, this is why I was thinking about getting the 50D now and as I build my lens family, going forward, only invest in L lenses or at the very least, lenses that are EF (not EF-S).
- Justin Korn
This thread is most excellent. Wide angle stuff is probably best for me and while the innards of the 5D are old, they are also tried and true. I look forward to making use of all you truly smart people once I start shooting again. Now, off to find a used 5D on the cheap...
- Derrick
Pad of paper and a pencil? ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Actually if you are on a tight budget, you can buy a Rebel XTi or XS with a kit lens for less than $500. Both are excellent cameras.
- Jeff P. Henderson
fwiw, I love my d-lux 4 (& 1-3) incomparable optics with leica
- Scott Moskowitz
Glen - are you kidding? Is that suppose to be $1,000? Even at <$1,000 you aren't going to get near the 5D mk ii for a few years (don't know about the Nikon).
- Justin Korn
If ISO1600+ is important as is overall IQ, then 5D is the way to go. 50D at high ISO is not bad but is a bit too grainy in my eyes. When it comes down to AF, I think the 50D has the better system for your purposes with better peripheral AF points. You really need to be comfortable with focus+recompose w/the center point with the 5D as the other points can be a bit iffy in low light.
- ronin
I think renting the 5D is a bad move. They are not cheap to rent. Plus any money spent renting is sort of wasted. Sell the old lenses on eBay and buy the 5D. If you can afford it buy the 135 f/2 lens to go with it to start. I think you already have the 50mm f/1.4 right?
- Thomas Hawk
TH - I see what you are saying, but if I sell the EF-S lenses, I'll have nothing to go with my 20D (which I still need as a back up and secondary camera). So selling off all the lenses is not an option (yet). Another way I could go is to grab the 5D and use it with my 50mm (which is arriving on Thursday!) for now and rent lenses during paying gigs while I slowly invest in L glass.
- Justin Korn
@Justin, EF lenses will work just fine on your 20D. You could also rent specific lenses if you need them for an event, which would be much cheaper than renting a 5D body.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Jeff - HAHA!! I total forgot that if I sell the EF-S lenses and buy EF lenses I could use them with the 20D! Man...I think I need to go back to sleep.
- Justin Korn
I think if you can get the 5D for only $100 more than the 50D, it's a no-brainer. Just curious, but where can you get the 5D for that price? I'm close to buying a new body myself ...
- Andre Maltais
Okay, so the suggested route seems to be: Buy 5D, sell EF-S lenses (10-22 and 18-55; keep my 18-200 for traveling), buy L lens (suggestions?), and rent lenses as needed for events...
- Justin Korn
@stretta - that is what I was thinking at first, but I think going with the 5D makes sense
- Justin Korn
Something no one has mentioned are the ergonomics of the body: the 50D has the 640x480 LCD screen with LiveView and it's spectacular (it's the same one as on the 5D MkII which I have). I upgraded from a 20D and the high-quality, high-res LCD screen is a much bigger bonus than most reviews point out. I still think the image quality of the original 5D is better than the 50D--especially since the tightly-packed sensor sites on the 50D push most lenses beyond their capabilities. But, on the other hand....
- Tommy Williams
.... (continuing) if you have a big investment in EF-S lenses, it's going to be hard to let those go and move to full frame. It's precisely the reason I never bought EF-S lenses for my 20D over the 4 years I owned it.
- Tommy Williams
@Andre - It's actually closer to $150 difference. On Amazon and BHPhoto, I saw the 50D for $1099 and the 5D for $1250.
- Justin Korn
@Tommy - I know...I made the mistake of grabbing a few great EF-S lenses and here I am paying for it. Lesson learned!
- Justin Korn
You may want to recheck those prices. Lowest I've seen on either site for a new 5D is $1999. Lowest price on either site is $1439 on Amazon for a used 5D.
- ronin
I have a 5D and I absolutely love it... full-frame is great. Wouldn't trade it for any other camera, except of course for the mark II.
- Shawn Duffy
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@saeba - I must have seen a Black Friday special or something! DOH!
- Justin Korn
For lens suggestions, my standard lens is the 24-70mm, f/2.8L lens.. great lens... I also have the 70-200mm, f/2.8L IS lens which may not work for every day walkaround use but just may be the best lens canon makes, imho
- Shawn Duffy
from twhirl
@Shawn - I drool over the 70-200 2.8 IS. Someday...someday... Are there any L lenses in the mid range zoom with IS?? I love my EF-S 18-55 2.8 IS and would need to find something to match it if I were to sell it.
- Justin Korn
Unfortunately the only mid-range zoom that has IS is the 24-105/4IS. I'd recommend the 24-70/2.8 as well. It's gonna be a HEAVY combo though so be prepared. ;-)
- ronin
I just bought the EF 24-105L f/4 with IS for my walkaround lens. I love it.
- Andre Maltais
I'll second the rave review for the 70-200 f2.8 IS L. It is probably one of the best if not the best zoom Canon makes. If you want an excellent L prime lens that is reasonably priced, I'd take a look at the 135 f2.0 L. It is one of the best primes that Canon makes and it sells for around $800, which is cheap for an L lens.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Before my first batch of camera gear was "lost" by an airline, I had the 24-105 f/4L IS lens. It is a fantastic lens and excellent for general purpose use. After I got my insurance check (BUY INSURANCE FOR YOUR GEAR), I decided to go with the 24-70,f/2.8L lens for the wider aperture. It, too, is an excellent lens. As to whether the f/2.8 and no IS is better than f/4 with IS, I suppose that's up to the photographer. I had a tough time choosing but I'm very happy with it.
- Shawn Duffy
I just wanted to thank everyone for their input again. This has been an awesome, informative, and helpful thread. Hope others have found it useful as well.
- Justin Korn
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The best Hot Chocolate I've ever had. -2348 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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From a place called Gondolen in Stockholm. More info if you click through to see the picture on flickr.
- David Sifry
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If you like the photo, enjoy the video: http://www.thomascrampton.com/ideas...
- Thomas Crampton
from twhirl
Feeling crappy. Thinking it's from fending off a troll as if it were a virus. Anybody know a cure for trolls? Troll vaccine? Trollectomy?
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Best way of dealing with a troll. Laugh along as if you think they're the funniest person in the room.
- David Sifry
from twhirl
Shove your magic wand up its nose. Apparently they hate that.
- Ordinarybug Heather
Geeks of mine... can you speculate why Google Blog Search went from pretty good to not-even-usable bad? Seems like a weird development path.
Don't know, but asked the same question last night: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
What problems are you having?
- Jeremy Hylton
It started to return results from blogroll or standing links as "recent" activity, thus making recent activity very hard to find. Not to me but to lots of people. See for example http://twitter.com/kevinok...
- Jay Rosen
Agreed - I've seen the same problem. Including blogroll links rather than fresh posts in blogsearch results = complete failure.
- Ryan Sholin
Doing blog search well is HARD. May I suggest that you give Technorati a try? There's a nice simple interface at http://s.technorati.com/
- David Sifry
We have been working on the blogroll problem. I posted a comment on it a few weeks ago: http://groups.google.com/group...
- Jeremy Hylton
@jayrosen_nyu Doing blog search well is HARD. May I suggest that you give Technorati a try? There's a nice simple interface at http://s. ...
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can we have that full url
- Trevor Cook
Sorry! Full URL is http://s.technorati.com/
- David Sifry
Scenes from Inbamura HD - Shot with Canon 5D Mark II - http://vimeo.com/2383375
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wow.... that looks amazing
- Jason Calacanis
Awesome Video, Joi!!! Love the shots of you burning the leaves, hanging out in your backyard, and the persimmon at the end is gorgeous. Oh, and the momiji is beautiful too. :-) Great video. So what did you end up using for your workflow?
- David Sifry
Anyone see my jaw around here?
- scorpusmaximus
I shot 1080 on the 5DMII, imported directly to Final Cut Express, edited there, exported to 720 HD and uploaded to Vimeo
- Joi Ito
Just posted the first 1080p video from Canon's new 5D MkII that I've seen online. http://blogs.smugmug.com/don...
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Jim Begman - Well, first, it was filmed in H.264, not JPEG or MJPEG, so I doubt they're JPEG artifacts. :) Secondly, the camera records at ~40Mbps (same max. bitrate of a 1080p Blu-Ray), but since very few people have 40Mbps connections at home, SmugMug encodes 1080p video at 6Mbps. So there are multiple levels of potential artifact generation - low-light ISO imagery, H.264 encoding on the camera, H.264 encoding after editing but prior to upload, and H.264 encoding after upload. Whew! Complicated! :)
- Don MacAskill
Also, Jim, you did click the 1920 link, right? I just figured out that some people were simply hitting the 'fullscreen' button on the 640p embedded version and expecting it to automatically use the higher-rez versions - which it doesn't.
- Don MacAskill
Excellent video! Thanks for taking the time to make, post and describe the lenses used in making the video.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I want one, but can't afford a new DSLR right now. Wow, what great quality!
- Robert Scoble
@Don, where did you get your cameras from? Did you by on line or retail? I placed my order for one on Sept 17 and am still waiting for it to ship from Amazon.
- Jeff P. Henderson
That is truly amazing and beautiful!
- Brendon Wadey
So how much is this camera in USD?
- Brendon Wadey
@Brendon $2699 for the body only.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Those are things where I wish I was rich. I would love to have that camera, but I can't even afford a normal/cheaper DLSR. Thanks for the info.
- Brendon Wadey
WOW! That is great footage! & from a DSLR makes it all the more amazing! Thanks for sharing!
- Chandler
@Brendon, You can get great deals on used gear a KEH.com. I have sold old camera gear to them on several occasions and they are very honest with the quality of the used gear they sell. You might be able to pick up a used Rebel or depending on your budget a used 5D for a good price.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Oh yes I know many places to find good deals on DLSRs, but my budget still can't exactly afford them lol, maybe after Christmas and not so busy. Thanks for the KEH.com suggestion, I didn't know about them. I will for sure check them out.
- Brendon Wadey
Man, I can't wait. I ordered mine from Adorama on September 25th, and it hasn't shipped yet. Go Go Go.... Hopefully it'll ship this week. :|
- donato
Amazing quality. Anyone want to buy a 40D? :)
- Andrew Smith
Great stuff, I really hope I get mine soon from Adorama, they told me it would ship Saturday, but no ship notfication so far, bleh!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
Damn, that's gorgeous. Grrr, I'm still waiting for my new 5D MkII from Adorama. Now I'm really going to have to bring my tripod wherever I go again!
- David Sifry
Wow. The quality is amazing!
- jho
Somewhere, a storage company CEO just smiled a little wider. 40Mb/s!!
- Mike McMurray
Jim Bergman - Dang, I had a stupid stupid bug. Thanks for helping debug it. It should be fixed now - give that link another shot. Sorry for the hassle!! (Anyone else trying to watch it on Windows, you might want to look again. Sorry about that!)
- Don MacAskill
Watch the dog - 4 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Silly human!
- David Sifry
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Watch the dog - 6 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Poor puppy!
- David Sifry
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Watch the dog - 5 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Uh oh!
- David Sifry
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Watch the dog - 3 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Halfway through the sequence...
- David Sifry
from Bookmarklet
Watch the dog - 2 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Keep watching the dog (and his human)
- David Sifry
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Watch the dog - 1 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
This is the start of a fun sequence of photos I took at the seawall in Pacifica, CA yesterday...
- David Sifry
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I'm starting a trip to Barcelona today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
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I'll be there from November 29th until December 4th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Robert Scoble
If you get a chance go eat at "El Bulli" and tell us how it was. On many lists as the best restaurant in the world. Wiki page for Restaurant Magazine's top 50 lists for the last 6 years...and it's won the last 3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mark Krynsky
damn it. the envy's setting in deeper every time my fingers touch a key
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
El Bulli is shut for the winter months and Ronaldinho was sold to Milan but there are plenty of other places to eat and there will be a great football(soccer) game tonight against Sevilla.
- Jack Sagel
@Robert, you mentioned you were bringing a Netbook on your trip, which one are you bringing, how long have you had it, and what is your experience with it so far?
- Jeff P. Henderson
It's a Lenovo model. I have to set it up tonight. Will report more when I get some mileage on it.
- Robert Scoble
Jack, what about Sunday? Or later in the week? Would love to meet up with other FriendFeed users there too.
- Robert Scoble
What are you doing in Barcelona?
- Jack Sagel
sunday is great for me-my son is running in a big race at 10am at Montjuic(where the Olympic stadium is)
- Jack Sagel
Jack: NokiaWorld is next week. I have to finish my expense report, then I can work on my schedule. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
well if sun you want a giuded tour of Bcelona let me know
- Jack Sagel
Bring your woolies...there's a cold wind blowing here :-)
- eduardo
NokiaWorld?!?!? Oh man... swing by San Diego and just smuggle me there in your luggage. I'm testing the N96 right now & gotta say - it's "better enough" than the N95... <3 me some Nokia
- Enrique Gutierrez
Jack: that would be fun! Maryam and the baby will be along too. Eduardo, thanks for the warning!
- Robert Scoble
Enrique: I have an N96. It rocks. Love the Nokia stuff. I hear there's a new touch-screen Nokia coming out. Will be interesting to compare that to iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
Spain is one of the countries I'd like to visit someday... Scoble is soo lucky!
- Susan Beebe
no problem-let me know where u are staying and I will pick you up around midday if you're all not too jet lagged
- Jack Sagel
godspeed scoble , have fun;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
Robert: The Nokia 5600, touchscreen. Now that I've fanboye'd the N-series, it might be hard for me to pay attention to the 5600... time will tell though. I'll be nagging WomWorld for one of those as well, I'm sure.
- Enrique Gutierrez
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Susan: there are major downsides. For instance, my expense reports are freaking a pain in the behind. And there is all that travel. 125,000 miles so far this year on United alone. I actually look forward to weeks when I stay home and next year I'm turning down all sorts of travel. Spain, though, is one place I've wanted to go. I agree, I am lucky. The people I've met and the experiences I've had are really magical.
- Robert Scoble
I hope your trip goes smoothly - interesting but uneventful.
- Gail Gardner
Oh, and this will be Milan's third trip to Europe since being born (he's only 14-months old). He's done more traveling than I did in first 25 years of life.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert don't miss the "vaso de oro" in barcelloneta old town close to the see.. It's the best ever real tapas in barca, my Spanish friends use to take me there.
- Christian
visit gaudi's sagrada familia one of the most amazing buildings in the world and the Miro and Picasso galleries are well worth visiting of course. And Barca FC has one of the best trophy rooms in world football
- Trevor Cook
check out: http://www.qype.co.uk/es511-b...
- eduardo
If you're a meat fan, check out the El Paraguayo restaurant: http://www.barcelona-metropolitan.com/Article...
- Luke Robinson
strongly recommending: http://barcelona.unlike.net/ the definitive city guide for the mobile generation - enjoy Barcelona!
- Margit Hinke
Robert, may I suggest an Offbeat Guide to Barcelona: http://www.offbeatguides.com/destina...
- David Sifry
from twhirl
I hear it's a great city - I'm sure you'll let us know how you like it
- Tim Ake
Check out the Gaudi architecture. Dude was a visionary.
- Phil Boiarski
I've played with the Nokia touchscreen, although not sure it was a fully ready for release one. it was lovely and fun through
- Rachel Clarke
I was just in Keeble and Shuchat photography in Palo Alto. Salesperson says they presold 100 Canon 5Dii's.
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Not knowing that store... is it "the place" to go to in Palo Alto and would get a good percentage of the pre-orders, or is it "just another camera store"?
- Darren Mak
It is the best in Silicon Valley.
- Robert Scoble
What have you heard about the Nikon D90?
- David Weiner
I'm surprised its that low to be honest. Demand was high as well for the 1Ds Mark III when it came out and I was able to circumvent huge queues like that by going to a smaller local store. If you really want the camera fast research other locations that can get the camera.
- Jim Goldstein
"keep it and shuttup" <-- my photog. teacher at De Anza introduced me to that cute little name for them
- anna sauce
Prices are closer to full retail then I would like, given that I don't need any advice or sales help. If you want to buy local/bricks-n-mortar, you can usually do better at San Jose Camera & Video. But, certainly, K&S has almost exponentially more inventory. It's not their fault, but it's lame that the SF metro area has no equivalent to B&H of NYC or even Samy's of LA.
- Chester
Chester: the store I worked at back in the 1980s (LZ Premiums, now gone) competed with San Jose Camera (our prices were always lower). The reason you don't have other stores is because margins in camera business were so low. In NY the owners would ALWAYS run jewelry businesses. The cameras gave them money to buy jewels (I wouldn't have to pay for cameras for 90 days or longer). You would be shocked the margins I had to live on.(
- Robert Scoble
I heard today mine ships from Adorama Saturday, I am so stoked!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
When we sold Nikon F4's (a $2,000 camera) we'd sell it for exactly $5 over what it cost us to buy. It was ridiculous. This is why there's intense pressure to sell you tons of accessories. Filters. Cases. Tripods. Flashes. Etc. It's a wacky business but taught me a ton I still use today.
- Robert Scoble
anna: that's what we called it inside our store, too.
- Robert Scoble
have you ever been to b&H robert?
- Allen Stern
I'm waiting for mine from Adorama. I usually buy from B&H, but only Adorama allowed preorders the day they announced. No news yet on when my 5D Mk II will shop though... :-(
- David Sifry
from twhirl
Allen: yeah. All our equipment came from there too. Plus I met the blogger from B&H.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Interesting...LZ Premiums was apparently just before my time. And insofar as margins are concerned, I know from shit margins as I'm in retail computers. How does a camera business get their owners capital for a jewelry business if margins were so low? Couldn't the camera/jewelry overlap be explained by the high ratio of Orthodox Jews in the NYC camera and jewelry trades or is there some sort of interesting accounting/synergy explanation?
- Chester
oh cool robert - useless fact - in 1995, they wanted to hire me to be their first head of internet and internet marketing :)
- Allen Stern
Chester: If you are high volume you'd buy a million dollars worth of, say, Nikons. Turn them out to customers, collect the money. Nikon usually gives you 90 days to pay. So now you have an interest-free loan of a million dollars for 90 days (often longer, if you are doing that kind of volume, I remember Ricoh used to give us six months to pay). So, go buy jewels, sell those, they have ultra high margins, profit, pay back camera company, and repeat. Only works if volumes stay up.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, okay. Now I get what you're saying. Sounds similar to what I've heard Fry's does.
- Chester
Robert, I placed my order for one on Amazon.com on Sept 16, the day it was announced. They were taking pre-orders. I checked the order this morning and there was a note that said "will not be delivered until after 25 Dec" ;-( I called Customer Service, they said they will ship as soon as they receive them. I'm hoping that occurs much sooner that 12-25!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I find this thread fascinating
- anna sauce
I'm starting a trip to Shanghai today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
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I'll be there from November 5th until November 9th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Robert Scoble
Hey, did you get an Offbeat Guide for Shanghai? http://www.offbeatguides.com/destina...
- David Sifry
from twhirl
I know how you feel about the election Robert, so will you be coming back from Shanghai?
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
If you're already in Shanghai, come to Sasha's tonight for the post-election hangover party. Ping @danwashburn for more info!
- John Biesnecker
looking forward to shanghai with you and rocman. NOT looking forward to 14 hour flight to get there. nice to know we're on the same flight though so if i run out of peanuts, i can eat some of yours. heh.
- Christine Lu
We're on our way. Our flight leaves at noon and we get there at 6 p.m. Thursday evening, Shanghai time.
- Robert Scoble
Fun! Have a great time!
- Nope Not Listed Here
Jealous. I was there in April. An AMAZING city. Get someone to take you to one of the PC Malls. They're like Fry's on crack. Seriously. And try to go to the Cloud 9 bar on top of the Hyatt. Tallest bar in the world (89th floor, I think), and the view is stunning. Enjoy your trip! :-)
- Josh Bancroft
Ahhh shouldn't you be on your way already? Ha!
- Nope Not Listed Here
Greer: I leave in a few minutes for airport. Our flight is in three hours.
- Robert Scoble
safe flight Robert
- Zee.
ni hau
- Josh Haley
Enjoy the trip.
- Norm McKenzie
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