it isn't going to be a unreliable issue, it'll be a 'reliable other thing' (like friendfeed) issue. when you are certain that enough of 'the conversation' has moved away, and we can get away without twitter, we'll leave. i'm willing to wager it's already happening. the question i ponder is: can twitter regain its footing, or have they permanently lost it? i hope the money/team can make enough impact fast enough... - Jeremy Toeman

I guess it depends on the person you're talking to. Individual annoyances vary. - Les

Plurk will have problems soon, too. They're already showing. - Hao Chen

The thing that bugs me is that it took some time to build an audience on Twitter. I don't want to give that up by hopping to another service. Although if everyone I Twittered with came over to FriendFeed, I'd jump. Right now it's about 33% - Rafe Needleman

I hear you, Rafe. As it is right now, I'm using both FF and Twitter, but if they have another major outage, I think a bunch more people will switch. Still, because FF is promiscuous (it reads my Twitter feed) there's no loss to continue to use Twitter while it remains useful. - David Sifry via twhirl

In your case, I'm quite sure your audience will follow you wherever you go - Bwana McCall

Rafe - same for me. I don't want to move to another app and rebuild my community. So, I guess i'll have to suffer through the Twitter growing pains. - Jim Turner

FF is a much better place for conversations Rafe. I suspect that someone like you, a prominent tech journalist, would build up an audience here just as large as your audience at Twitter. For what it's worth I haven't been on FF all that long and I've got almost as many people following me here (2,797) as I've got following me at Twitter now (3,177). The audience is growing faster over here than there as well. - Thomas Hawk

but you are thomas hawk. people follow you, - excalipoor

Bwana & Thomas are right, it won't be a problem to get audience here, You might like it even more here - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Twitter is no where near dead yet. My personal theory is they didn't expect loads of people choosing to massive amounts of others. In the past week, I've had several people with absurd numbers of follows (one with 60k, one with 90k) - that's insane. Twitter has hired some top talent to address these issues and got new rounds of funding to assist. Personally I still love twitter and find it a different and useful complement to Friendfeed. - Doug Brooks

I'm on it less than before, but use Twitter as a gateway to more reliable socnets like FriendFeed, where we can have longer discussions. The community on Twitter still merits having an account there. Can we be hopeful that now that they got another round of funding, they'll FINALLY find ways to make it more reliable? - Cathryn Hrudicka

FriendFeed is certainly a very reliable Twitter client, I'm finding. It's nice to get everything that everybody's doing -- not just what they tweet -- inside a feed as well. - Jared (W.) Smith

Twitter peaked during the early primaries, it was an incredible learning and connecting tool. It's not doing anything for me anymore. So have I moved on? Not exactly, because nothing has come along to replace it. FF is very different, and most of the people I connected with on Twitter aren't here. I've always said it's about the people. Nothing else. - Dave Winer

Compared to mobile carriers and cable companies, Twitter does quite well. It's free and works most of the time. I'm sure things will get better given all the $$$ they've raised recently. - Mike Reynolds

As long as it takes for FriendFeed to handle SMS posting. - Rubin Sfadj

I am getting there. - Steve Rubel

As wonky as Twitter is, I'm still preferring it to Plurk. FF is gaining steam with me, but it still seems more static to me somehow. Haven't pulled enough people into my circle here yet, I suppose. - abacab via twhirl

unreliable? I would say unpopular ;) I would leave twitter If I could follow ALL my friends and MORE interesting people in other place :) - Lora Lufark

still on twitter. Not sure when I will move out. - Thejesh GN

Excellent, a Twhinge (Twitter + whinge) thread! In all seriousness... I posted about this situation at Broadcasting Brain today. I am feeling fed up and having the Reply function on the Twitter Web app disabled doesn't help at all. - Mark Dykeman

I prefer Plurk's timeline and threaded comments, but the community doesn't seem to be present quite yet. Once the community exists, I'd be happy to switch. But something like FF will keep me happy in the meantime. - Jason Ziglar

Until Plurk gets more users I'm sticking with Twitter. - Oli from the-iBlog via fftogo

excalipoor, but he is Rafe Needleman, an influential and popular online tech journalist. People will follow him wherever he goes as well. - Thomas Hawk

Have you given it up? Me neither. That's 'cause we forget how much it sux when its working right. - shelisrael1

There have been plenty of opportunities for people to move off Twitter to clones. Since it hasn't happened yet, primarily because it is hard to bring your community with you, I don't expect it to happen ever. - Bob Ngu

Give up? I only just started - Phil Whelan

How expensive does gas have to get before people like me give up driving cars totally? :-) - Bassam Islam via twhirl

Twitter indeed has its limitations. It is NOT a replacement for the fluidity of IRC, it is not viable as a live conference tool, at so many junctures it introduces latency, this is all before we touch upon its infrastructure, reliability, and ability to scale. Perhaps Bezos' infusion of cash will see to thoee last points - David Blumenstein via twhirl

For me the thing the twitter offers is the ability to sms info quickly to a bunch of people. Events like Siggraph twitting about the next events or the results of events as they happen to people at the shows. Imagine if the SF Giants twittered player info at their games or things like that. I do agree that it's horrible for conversation, but one-way info is a perfect use for it. - Doug Brooks

i will never give up on you rafe - Allen Stern

Fortunately it's not too hard for me to move over here. Most of my (and yours, I'd argue) followers on Twitter are ghosts (long gone) or following for reasons other than shear interest. Twitter is still useful for ephemeral exchanges and generally telling the world how undercaffeinated I am. But for interesting links/thoughts and level of conversation this is where I'm now planting my flag. - Jim Stanger

totally agree with Jim Stanger - Giovanni De Stefano

I like FriendFeed more every day. But I miss Twitter. - Rafe Needleman

I don't rely on it for communication. To me it's like graffiti on a wall. I'll keep reading it, but if they repaint the wall, c'est la vie. - Patrick Beard

As long as there is a backup, like FriendFeed, I think Twitter can go out regularly... for me, this works. For all the good Twitter-based projects or business models, Twitter is running out of charm.... - shanebe

5 days continuous ... maybe. People have built huge followings. They're not abandoning them. - Charlie Anzman

New money and new people coming in to Twitter. Users have been through all of this and stayed so far...they will wait it out. Twitter will and must fix the architecture once and for all and conclude on a viable business model and be off to the races. I'm as sick of the flying whale as anyone else but inexplicably I haven't left...and I don't think I will. - Paul Marshall

Once the A-listers leave Twitter, it's over. - Dossy Shiobara

We're all getting tired of the hit/miss feature set and repeated, unplanned downtimes. Twitter management of their app is beyond weak, it's moved over to an untenable business and is completely unreliable at this point. I do think they are taking active steps to rectify the instability of their current app / db environments, but it may be too little, too late. - Susan Beebe

you lot have very short memories - ebay, amazon, google, world of Warcraft all had issues when they hit viral explosive growth - icq,hotmail - I could go on and on. The fact that there is this much heat about it shows that it will get through the hurdles and move on. - Ed Dale

a full week downtime 24/7 - Chris Harris

So, anything? If I wanted to run my DMG archive off of Smug Vault, I'd be okay? - Mark Trapp

@Dave Cohen: S3 is cheaper (not much!), but you lose the integration and visual browsing interface of SmugMug. We're certainly not an S3 competitor here. If S3 works for you, awesome. :) - Don MacAskill

Awesome Don, nice one! Let's make a loud sound with this one! - Larry Kless via twhirl

@Mark Trapp: Yep, anything, including DMG or whatever. Currently it's 512MB/file max, but I'm working on making it 5GB per file. - Don MacAskill

Been waiting for something like this ever since I started shooting RAW! - Benjamin Golub

Awesome, thanks Don. This could be nifty for my design firm's off-site archive, especially if we can preview the good bulk of the files. - Mark Trapp

Argh! I just starting shooting RAW!! Must have!!! - Bwana McCall

hmmmm... store *everything*, next to *nothing*. Not sure I agree with that. Under this new service my 2TB archive would cost me $600 one time fee + $440 every single month, plus more for getting the images back. Seems like a few drobos are a better deal, no? I can't imagine paying over $5,000 a year for offsite storage. Of course this sort of service is probably not aimed at someone like me. - Thomas Hawk

@Thomas Hawk: Compared to competing photo sharing services with RAW support, and other pay-for-storage-in-the-cloud offerings, this is a very compelling price point. It's certainly not as cheap as a handful of Drobos - but then you have to do all the IT, deal with fire/earthquakes/etc. If you're cool with that, great. But many aren't. - Don MacAskill

@Thomas Hawk: There are two components for any really solid archive storage: Local, fast, always available storage and something offsite. That can be drives stored at a bank, tapes at an archival facility, or something like SmugVault. We view ourselves as the offsite component, not the replacement for the RAID at your house. - Don MacAskill

@Don, I'm just saying $600 upfront and $440 per month in my case certainly would not qualify as storing "everything for next to nothing." It would cost me more per month to store my archive than to lease a car. And my archive is only going to get bigger. - Thomas Hawk

Can I get access outwith the web interface? e.g. ftp or sync software - Chris Nixon

Already climbing the charts of rssmeme: http://www.rssmeme.com/story/1... - Benjamin Golub

I don't think storage in the cloud is yet economical for most heavy photographers. Even someone with only 500GB of images would still have to pay $110 per month which is an expensive cost. Better (and faster) to back up your images yourself on drives and give them to a friend to hold for you offsite. You can also remotely network drobos now to have one at your home, one at an offsite location and sync them for much, much, less money. - Thomas Hawk

I don't get why I'd use this over my $5/m Mozy account? - Phill Price

@Thomas Hawk: Remotely networking drobos? Makes me want to get them even more... Wish they weren't so expensive! @Phill Price: Yeah, I don't see how SmugMug's service beats the pants off of Mozy, except that I don't think Mozy has a Web-based file browser. Am I wrong about that? - Voyagerfan5761

@Thomas Hawk: We have Pros who charge $10-20K for a single wedding that generates a few GB of photos. This is very economical for money-making Pros. And we have tens of thousands of them. :) - Don MacAskill

I haven't remotely networked drobo's yet but Alex Lindesy said that he's doing this with his on the This Week in Photography (TWIP) podcast. Synching two drobos would not be cheap Voyagerfan, but certainly cheaper than paying $440 per month. I do have my archive backed up on cheap external USB drives though and offsite at my parent's house. Most of my finished JPG photos are online as well on photosharing sites which are sort of a secondary backup. - Thomas Hawk

@Voyagerfan5761 it does - and its automatic - Phill Price

@Phill Price: This offering is geared towards people for whom SmugMug is a vital part of their workflow. They've told us they want the archives stored alongside the photos, so their normal workflow is enhanced rather than disrupted. Absolutely using something like Mozy or S3 or whatever is cheaper - but for some, time and/or effort is more valuable than money. SmugMug isn't in the business of being the cheapest solution for anything we offer - we're a premium service. - Don MacAskill

The other thing I don't like about this service is that it has a built in cost increase. The more you shoot the more you store, the more you store, the more you pay ongoing. You pay *more* in the future not less, even though storage gets cheaper. I'd rather have an "all you can eat" sort of plan that controlled future price increases. Still, for the casual photographer with less than 50GB of files, this might be worth looking at. Although even 50GB is $22 a month, a far cry from "next to nothing." - Thomas Hawk

@Thomas Hawk: Actually, that's not true. As Amazon lowers their prices (which they've done twice in two years already, and I expect another one "soon"), we'll lower ours the corresponding amount. Your storage will get cheaper. - Don MacAskill

@Thomas Hawk: While I appreciate the feedback, you're not really comparing apples to apples here. Go find me a photo sharing site that accepts and stores RAW/PSD/etc for less than ours as part of their workflow. We will *definitely* not be as cheap as local storage, that's a given. The question is how we compare to other similar offerings. And in that regard, we're much cheaper and (more importantly) much better. - Don MacAskill

Bear in mind that this is an offering our customers have been *begging* for at a price point *lower* than they said they'd pay. My customers are likely very different from you - but that doesn't mean it's not a valid, useful, game-changing offering. - Don MacAskill

@Don, I might not be comparing apples to apples, but I'd still never pay $440 a month for a service like this. The "store everything for next to nothing," was the part I thought was a bit misleading. The service is actually quite a bit more expensive than someone simply copying their files to an external drive and giving it to a friend to hold offsite for them, without reoccuring monthly fees. - Thomas Hawk

saying the Oakland Mercedes Benz dealer is cheaper than the Beverly Hills Mercedes Benz dealer doesn't mean that you still can't find a cheaper car somewhere else -- or take the bus or bike for that matter. You get to the same place no matter if you drive a Mercedes, a Prius, take BART or bike. Some ways just cost more than others. - Thomas Hawk

I am a pro photographer. I shoot less than ThomasHawk but have my fair share of events. I would like to just see a storage through online means regardless of file type such as Xdrive. But at larger increments such as 1GB at a time not 1MB. Any thoughts Don? - Photo Larry via twhirl

"next to nothing" refers to some of our (to remain unnamed) competitors. And it jives with what our paying customers have told us they'd pay for this service. We could have gouged them and charged the $1/GB or whatever they said they'd pay (or that they pay elsewhere now) - but we chose not to. Apologies if it doesn't fit your world view. :) - Don MacAskill

Yes, but the Oakland Benz dealer will sell you the same Benz that Beverly Hills will. A Drobo and SmugVault aren't even remotely the same. So again, you're comparing apples to apples in your analogy, but not the actual product comparison. It's fine, I get it - you won't use it. But that doesn't mean it's not a good product. - Don MacAskill

@Photo Larry: You can store 1MB, 1GB, 1PB with this. Whatever you want. So you're not limited to 1MB. If I somehow gave that impression, I apologize. SmugVault is unlimited and pay-by-the-drink. Only pay for what you use - no commitments. - Don MacAskill

Don, I'm an edge case. I'm sure this offering is just right for many of your customers. Some people like to drive Mercedes and don't mind paying -- it's a huge market. I just like to take the BART, that way it costs less and I can process photos to and from work. :) - Thomas Hawk

This may be the clincher for me. I've been thinking about using SmugMug for a while. They already allow users to sell photos -- which is something I've wanted from other photo sharing sites for a while -- they offer good prints as well, and now they have this. Very nice. - Raoul Pop

@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :) - Don MacAskill

Having read the blog post, I can see the potential of it. Never mind the price, which is way too high for my taste at the moment (and Thomas is right to criticize your headline). But prices will come down. I like the concept of having a photo library somewhere up in the cloud that contains all master files "behind" the one final image on display. With a good UI and a Photoshop plugin that allowed direct editing from and saving to the cloud, this could completely replace apps like Lightroom in the future. - Ole Begemann

Don: Wow. I like this thread esp. for the comments. I withdraw my request for a smugmug invite. That is a pretty elitist view of things. I will just wait until I fill my free off-site storage and then pay an "economy" photo hosting service. - Mathew A. Koeneker

This just hit TechMeme http://tinyurl.com/6sxlsp Hey Gabe Rivera - how about including this thread on TechMeme? - Mike Doeff

mike it hit because i linked to don :) - Allen Stern

Brilliant! I love betting on the right horse. You go Smugmug! - Leo Laporte

It would be awesome if Techmeme could include FF conversations! Seems like a natural fit, but the problem would be how could Techmeme know *which* of the conversations to append to the article. Sometimes the biggest conversation around an item will happen in the oddest place. Hard for Techmeme to know which is *officially* the related or best conversation. - Thomas Hawk

I'm assuming you have to have a SmugMug account to use this in the first place? For someone like me with about 10GB of archives, the price would be good, but having to pay to join another photo site just for backup would deter me. - Matt

Allen, Gabe recently mentioned that he was starting to look at FriendFeed as another source for discussion (see http://snurl.com/2nnk6 - Gabe's last comment). I think this is a case where it would make sense for Gabe's algorithm to include this in the discussion. - Mike Doeff

@Thomas - here's one approach to your question about how Techmeme would "know" which conversations were best: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008... - Hutch Carpenter

@Mathew A. Koeneker: SmugMug invite? We don't require invites. We've been in production for more than 5 years - no invites required. Just a credit card. :) I'm not sure how I (we?) are being elitist, though - we're offering something both better and cheaper than anyone else. How is that elitist? Am I missing something? - Don MacAskill

@Matt: You do need a SmugMug account, yes. They start at $40/year (unlimited JPEG/GIF/PNG storage), or roughly a latte a month. :) - Don MacAskill

Is anyone else not surprised that Thomas Hawk is trying to crap on a thread about a competitor's product? A quick browse on his blog shows crapping on competition all over the place, while his own pet project flounders in obscurity. - Jim

Hutch, great blog post, interesting method -- using activity by authoritative FF folk to determine which post to link right? Would love to see FF conversations on Techmeme as they definitely provide valuable commentary on the story. - Thomas Hawk

@Don, I sent a Tweet about this about two hours ago but never got a chance to get back gere until now. Looks like a lot great discussion has been going on. - Larry Kless via twhirl

Jim, I don't view SmugMug as a competing product *at all.* I doubt Don does either, but maybe I'm wrong. Two very different markets and services. I actually like SmugMug as an service alot, and especially the people that work there, their high service and community engagement. I just wouldn't pay $440 a month for something like this. I call it like I see it. BART is not a competitor to BMW, even though both get you where you want to go. - Thomas Hawk

@ Don: I was being a tad ironic as well as perhaps I misunderstood the post "@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :) - Don MacAskill" I like being frugal and wish that we had better public transportation in StL. I am OK if that is your target demographic (ie. BMW) but it seemed like a slam on those that are not. - Mathew A. Koeneker

@Thomas - and yet you keep arguing a red herring. There is a huge difference between local storage and off-site storage. In order to replicate the security of storage in the clouds, you have to set up multiple synced off-site storage locations. There is a reason that lot of top photographers store their photos in banks and other secure vaults. - Jim

@Thomas - that's right. Techmeme has a heavy bias for those who have been on Techmeme previously. Leverage that to identify conversational hot points. - Hutch Carpenter

@Thomas - a perfect example is world famous photographer Jacques Lowe who stored 40,000 negatives of the Kennedy family in the safest location he could find. He stored them in a bank vault, and 11 years later they were all completely destroyed when 2 planes hit the World Trade Center, right next door. Off-site + redundancy is extremely important to a lot of photographers. - Jim

Jim, I'm not arguing a red herring at all. $440 per month to store my archive is *not* "next to nothing." It's a perfectly valid point to make in light of the headline of the post. The fact that I can archive cheaper other ways is another point entirely -- but worth mentioning given that people might be looking for other cheaper alternatives. Maybe $440 per month is "next to nothing" for a rich guy like you, but it's not for me. Do you work for SmugMug? - Thomas Hawk

@Mathew A. Koeneker: Oh, no, that wasn't a slam at all. I have a BMW, but I love BART too. But when we chose to build a business, we intentionally chose the premium space. Not only am I more interested in it, but the free / freemium / economy space is crowded and a rough business to be in. I built this business with an awful lot of sweat - I didn't want to get into a brawl with companies like Yahoo and Kodak, too. - Don MacAskill

@Thomas - sorry, I was referring the ongoing Drobo discussion. Sticking right to the cost, I guess it is a matter of perspective. You are a prolific shooter, and have a sizable collection, so it will indeed cost you more. The question is how much the absolute security of those files are to you. It varies dramatically from photographer to photographer. For hobbyists with a big collection, I suppose the price would be a bigger deal. (continued, sorry... got too wordy) - Jim

@Thomas - but imagine you are make your living from your photos, and you can virtually guarantee the safety of your life's work for $440 a month. I am definitely a hobbyist, but there are definitely some files I want to make 100% sure I never lose. So I am probably somewhere in between, and part of my library will find its way online. - Jim

@Jim, $440 a month is *alot* of money Pal. Certainly not "next to nothing." You could by three drobos. Stick one at your mom's house in Florida and give another to your friend in Germany and network them all together -- and this would still be cheaper than buying this service, at least for me. I'm not sure the incremental "safety" of cloud storage over multiple location backups is worth it to me. - Thomas Hawk

and you still haven't answered the question whether or not you work for SmugMug. You have a private FF account and are only known as "Jim." As far as I'm concerned you may as well be an anonymous shill. - Thomas Hawk

Nice idea, but I'm not sold on the idea of cloud storage. Having multiple physical backups in different locations is very cost effective these days, and in the event of a catastrophic failure, restoring from the cloud is a time-consuming prospect. If you have enough data, shipping one of your other backups would be cheaper -- and faster -- than restoring TB's of data from the cloud. - Jeremy Brooks

is it insured? - Noah David Simon

I might as well be an anonymous shill, I am not a blogging/social sort of person. I registered just to post in this thread because your attitude bugs me. I used to subscribe to your blog because I love your photography, but got sick of your ranting and raving about everything. Unfortunately, I have now contributed to the crapfest this thread is... I'm out. - Jim

I think the main thing going for a service like this is the simplicity of it, which may be worth the cost for some people. - Jeremy Brooks

By the way, I'm not saying that this is a *bad* service. I'm sure that there are many customers at SmugMug who want this and at this price point. Otherwise they wouldn't be offering it. And I'm sure it's a good business for SmugMug as they probably make a differential between what they pay Amazon and what they charge their customers. Win-Win. I'm just saying it's not right for me is all. - Thomas Hawk

I'm with Thomas here. All he took exception to was the headline "for next to nothing" and he's right on that. - Ole Begemann

So Jim, you are posting here anonymously and only signed up for FF to post to *this specific* conversation about SmugMug, and yet you've been asked three times whether or not you work for SmugMug and you avoid answering the question every time. Okie dokie Pal, gotcha loud and clear. I'm sorry if my saying $440 per month doesn't sound like "next to nothing" to me hurts your feelings. - Thomas Hawk

okay, I lied... I didn't quite leave yet. :( I am not from SmugMug. I just don't want to get into personal details, I am a private person. really out now, just didn't want to leave that hanging. - Jim

...and this is pretty much what I was afraid would happen to FriendFeed eventually. I was just hoping for a bit more time. @Don, good luck on the launch. I always love to see other small businesses succeed, so I hope you guys make a bajillion dollars. - Jake

@Thomas, for the record, Don is subscribed to the feeds of all SmugMug employees that have FF accounts. - David Parry

Personally, i travel like crazy for work. So having a drobo at home would be like cloud storage, but slower. I just wish this wasn't announced 2 days after i bought the program jungledisk for direct amazon storage. - InsaneNinja

Wow, I go get some lunch and the thread devolves into trolling. Can has moderation? Let's get back to talking about the product, mmkay? - Don MacAskill

@Don, Say you run Lightroom, and convert to DNG on import. You do your little changes to the DNG, which saves them as internal data. And then you upload the DNG file to SmugMug. ....Does SM show the resulting file in multiple sizes? Or should you also upload an LR-exported jpg for results/quality? I'm asking if you can skip the jpg step entirely. - InsaneNinja

@InsaneNinja: You cannot skip the JPEG step entirely if you want to see all your edits, no. We just generate non-edited proofs. I'm hopeful that someday we can offer something even better, but for now, export both the JPEG and the DNG. - Don MacAskill

And I envision a Lightroom like interface to the vault so you can browse and search the vault like you would your local albums, select the photo(s) you want to work on and put your work back when you're done, somewhere safe. Which I'm giddy about to build, you know, when they invent 30hr days.... Also, for me this is going to be for the images that are very valuable to me either emotionally or monitarily, not everything, which solves the 'where will my important photos be in 15 years' problem. - Sam

@Don: That makes sound business sense on a lot of levels. )BTW, I think that this is the first time I saw what would appear to be troll induced flickers of flame.) - Mathew A. Koeneker

I wouldnt say its trolling on the program, as much as it is Thomas having a problem specifically with the slogan "everything for nothing," due to his immense collection. As for me personally, i've created 30 gigs this month and i consider it slacking. - InsaneNinja

Seriously one of the most awesome things I've read all day. Welcome to the neighborhood, Jeremy! - DeWitt Clinton

Congrats! - Harvey Simmons

Congratulations! - Atul Arora

Jeremy, that's AWESOME. Congratulations. Looking forward to seeing you more in SF!!! - David Sifry via twhirl

I didn't see anybody predict that! Great news. Should be interesting. - Louis Gray

good luck! - Chris Harris

Congrats. - Russellreno

all the best! - Ron Emrick

Congrats! :) some people were expecting you here on FF... - directeur

Congrats! That seems like a great company to be a part of. - Jeremy Brooks

Wow, that's great news. Congratulations! - Lee Odden via twhirl

Jeremy I'm right there with you! - Randy Carranza

Congrats, Craigslist is a shining star. - Jason Kaneshiro

Congrats, real good choice that I am sure you will enjoy - Fred Grott

@Louis yeah, I was tempted to mess with people and post pics of myself at FriendFeed and various other places, but decided to come clean. [Note: I still think FriendFeed would be an awesome gig too...] - Jeremy Zawodny

Congratulations! - Ernest Prabhakar

Nice move Jeremy - Dennis Howlett via twhirl

wow...that's great. congratulations!!! - don loeb

Congrats, Jeremy - Bret Taylor

Congratulations! Is this a long-term thing or just a casual encounter? - Jim Norris

JZ4CL - Kevin Fox

congrats! good luck with that commute! - Jeremy Toeman

awesome. Great move. - Keith Teare

Congrats and good luck! - John Frost

seems like that would be a great place to be. congratulations. - edythe

Cool! Congrats! - C. K. Sample III via twhirl

Robert Scoble is the epitome of the early adopter. Finds a huge amount of value in the early adopter experience, and advocates in a broad sense the attitudes and wishes of early adopters. He's got more connections than stars in the sky, and tends to find out about things before a lot of people. He's a videoblogger by trade, and works for FastCompany. - Mark Trapp

Thanks Mark! - Nick

:) Mark. - edythe

Mark got me. If you wanna know anything about what I'm doing here, just ask. I've been doing online community stuff since the mid 1980s. - Robert Scoble

Scoble is the demi-god of Path-Finding. He's the archetype 12,000 years going from one cave to another saying things like "Dude, you've gotta check out this 'Fire' thing. It's so beautiful it made me cry." - Tad Donaghe

Heheh, Tad. That fire thing was pretty cool. The wheel was even better! :-) - Robert Scoble

Addicted to shiny new toys (lol), but where would be without our Robert? - Dennis Howlett

Okay, Robert, I have a question, what does your FriendFeed "best of" look like? Is it nearly as huge as your regular feed, or (like I asked in Tad's post) does the threshold go up and it only has very very popular things? My other question is, how do you find little comments like this, when you have such a sea of other info going through you feed? Do you use the search function or the do you go through individuals feeds or what? I'm just wondering how you manage. - Nick

Dennis: actually I stick with things that work for a long time too. I still use Outlook and am still using Windows. Shiny and new? No. Heheh. And I still drive an American-made car. Shiny and new? No. - Robert Scoble

Nick: I refresh FriendFeed hundreds of times per day. I rarely miss anything that keeps getting comments or likes like this one. Right now I'm very focused on FriendFeed too, so am extra engaged. I just visit the home page. Friendfeed.com. And refresh it lots. I also visit the "everyone" page to see if I'm missing anyone interesting. Once a day I also check the best of page for the day. Sometimes I do searches, but mostly if there's a hot story happening (like tonight the Celtics winning). - Robert Scoble

Wow Robert, yeah, you already commented on the other two threads while I was typing the last one! That's fast. So then I've got another question, which would maybe deserve it's own post but.... there seems to be a growing FF community of regular and devoted users, but there's also a ton of other people who use it generally, so is this community (like all the people who have been commenting on these post tonight) just a small but active minority, or is it really representing the basis of FriendFeed? - Nick

(That's an opinion question I guess, but you seem to have just about the broadest view of FF) - Nick

I'd say it's a significant portion of Friendfeed, but by no means all of it. For example, there's a significant Farsi-speaking community that only seems to overlap when Scoble posts something, as well as a Japanese-speaking community and German-speaking community. If you take a look at the Everyone tab and follow that for some time, it's like the wild west. It's still heavily dominated by early adopters, but based on the comments and shares in the past few weeks, it's getting more and more diversified. - Mark Trapp

Nick: this is nothing new. In all the online communities I've ever been on the participants are usually only about 1% of the actual visitors. Some people I see just come in briefly and then leave again. Chris Pirillo, for instance. Others like Louis Gray, Mitchell Tsai, or Susan Beebe are much more active. - Robert Scoble

90/9/1 - Tim Levad via twhirl

Still using Outlook huh? Hmm - thought you'd weaned yourself off that one Robert. - Dennis Howlett via twhirl

I am trying. Gmail is cool, but I have gigs of email still on Outlook and getting out of the folder system is really tough. - Robert Scoble

Yeah Mark I've noticed the other languages on occasion, and I do go to the everyone tab, but it's hard to get a handle on the community aspect of what's going on. Do you think their are tiers, or pockets, or what? Is this like the milkyway, and there's a bunch of other galaxies about which we know little and don't over lap with? - Nick

Everywhere, all the time. Never miss a thing. Lead instead of follow - Duncan Riley

Nick: there's a TON of people I don't subscribe to. Just comparing my page to the "Everyone" page I think I'm only seeing 1/8th to 1/10th of what's going through FF. Maybe even less. - Robert Scoble

(geez, i spend too long on my comments and Robert's already answered them before I finish) - Nick

New Goal in Life - Have someone start a thread on FriendFeed that asks "What's the deal with Tad?" - Tad Donaghe

Nick: the best class I took in college was typing. - Robert Scoble

Tad: I am to please: http://friendfeed.com/e/f5fea8... - Robert Scoble

It would be cool if we have the auto-refresh feature here in FF, just like macrumorslive - Satya

Satya, it's there, it's just set at 1 minute, which is a lifetime for a Friendfeed power user. - Mark Trapp

It's about time some asked the straight question with no hint (on my radar) of attention whoring. Mark Trapp summed it up sensibly, I'll go the other route: Explaining the man is akin to explaining Truman Capote - yeah, you could say, author, actor in Murder by Death (wow, flashback!), hollywood socialite blah blah blah ... doesn't quite capture the phenomenon of the persona, though. - Micah Wittman

@Mark: you're right. a minute is long. - edythe

scoble is "everyman" in the cultural sense, and he plays the role to perfection - gregory lent

I dunno. I've never heard of him. - Amy Tureen

Technosnotty is hard to use. Are they going to make ads that are too smart for me as well? - Noah David Simon

When Technorati was still new, it was so much more simple to use and navigate. Now it's so lethargic and complicated that it gives me a headache to even look at. I just throw on Technorati tags on my posts and move on, I never even go to their site much any more. - jerry

@Noah and @jerry: agreed. Technorati site is pretty dismal. Maybe this is what they've been working on instead. - AJ Kohn

The same as Paul, simple, and efficient :) - directeur

Ctrol-Apple-D - looks up the definition of any word your mouse is hovering over - Patrick Lightbody

there are keyboard shortcuts? shoot! I just switched to Mac, forgive me :) - Zach Landes

Ctrl-space (the default setting to activate quicksilver). If you like keyboard shortcuts, and you haven't tried quicksilver, I would highly recommend it. Basically you activate the app, start typing and it searches applications, bookmarks, documents, and all sorts of stuff (all customizable), and gives you a list of them in a window, and then a list of available actions, like 'open', 'send e-mail', 'calculate', or 'look up in dictionary'. Really cool, and free. - Robert Felty

apple q - minus3

cntl-opt-cmd-8 - Kevin Fox

ctrl-space with quicksilver. without quicksilver it would be shift-apple-4 - Seth Gottlieb via twhirl

Kevin, Thanks for the cntl-opt-cmd-8 tip. I was just getting annoyed in this coffee shop trying to find the cursor in google docs. This command just solved this for me. - Jon-Paul Bussoli

Another reason why I like friendfeed for procrastination. It even helps my work! heh. - Jon-Paul Bussoli

ctrl-opt-cmd-8 is awesome Kevin! - Thomas Hawk

I agree with Kevin, freeked me out though..haven't done that before. - Dale Adams

Had never used ctrl-opt-cmd-8 ... that's awesome! - Clay Newton

@Kevin Nice one! - Daniel Shaw

Command - W. Closing windows! - Taylor

ctrl-opt-cmd-8 is sweet. Halloween every day! I'm still in the cmd-shft-4 camp though - toodles Snag It. - AJ Kohn

apple-option-esc is my most often used. I like to use force. - Eugene Huo

I am a simple command-w guy. - Simon

Apple-W Apple-N and Apple-Q (in that order) - TranceMist

command-tab - Adam Thorsen

Ctrl + Mousewheel up/Mousewheel down - Mark Trapp

Just in case any of you have yet to find them all, open Keyboard ShortCuts in Keyboard & Mouse Preferences. - John Lam

Apple-Tab for me. BTW, Ctrl-Apple-D does not work on all words, for example, fails in twirl for me. Otherwise, I didn't know that option so THANKS! - Ivan Stegic via twhirl

Command+Z - l0ckergn0me

command(apple)-shift-/ opens help, and help goes and finds every other command in every application. i use it like i drink water. - Michael Staton

Ivan: the dictionary service will only work in Cocoa- or Carbon-based applications. Non-cocoa/carbon applications like Twhirl (based on Adobe AIR) don't have access to it. One of my major sticking points in using ported applications. - Mark Trapp

cmd-c, cmd-v - Andrew Dobrow

control+command+shift-4 Takes a screenshot using a selection marquee and leaves the result on the clipboard. - Chris DeSalvo

I am so going to leave it on command control option 8 for the rest of the day. - Louis Gray

Cmd-Shift-3, Cmd-Shift-4, Cntrl-Cmd-Shift-4 - Screen Captures ... - Allen Hurff

command-control-eject - Nathan Henderson

This makes Mac OSX look like Emacs... - possible248

If you like ^⌘⌥8, check out Nocturne: http://docs.blacktree.com/noct... - Amit Patel

Ctrl-Alt-Delete?? - shanebe

command control shift then spacebar=awesomeness - Bryan Thatcher via twhirl

god, i thought that said "sex keyboard shortcut." !! :o - edythe

cmd+shift+f10 - Right Click in Windows - Andrew Smith

Strongly agree on cmd-shift-4 ! - Clay B.

Ditto Paul. I have a desktop full of screen captures. How do you get those to save in a specific place anyhow? - Erica Baker

ctrl-space to open up quicksilver. the meta short cut FTW - Ivan Kirigin

Command-W (or the pinch gesture with MultiClutch) it means that I have completed something and can go on. - Lars Trieloff

It's either CTRL-CMD-D, or my custom CTRL-CMD-S (speaks my selected text). I use CMD-ALT-= quite a lot though, to switch keyboard layouts. - Paul Grave

Ctrl-Space for QuickSilver - Parth Awasthi

the power off button :-) - Thomas Hoppe

I use the 'capture' dashboard widget for screen capture. It has some additional options, like choosing how to save it (jpg,tiff,png,gif,pdf) the size (in pixels), and the quality. Pretty handy. - Robert Felty

Thanks @Amit. From the guys that do Quicksilver. Nice. (Though ^⌘⌥8 is easy, and I don't want to stay in that mode for a long time. Just enough to give my eyes a break.) - Daniel Shaw

yahoo won't be the same without you.. :( - Augusto Becciu via twhirl

Just to hope you all good to your new work, whatever it is. - Daniel Schildt

Where are you going? Anywhere we've heard of? - Tony Ruscoe

Jeremy. Good luck. I can only echo what Damon said above - Deepak

good luck - Andreas Gohr

shocked to know that u'r leaving. good luck. - Jansen Lu via twhirl

:) - Sarath via Alert Thingy

shocked. And happy for you :) - John Mueller

woo. crazy. all the best to you. - Josh via twhirl

Congrats on a huge move, and all the best, Jeremy. You'll be deeply missed as a Yahoo, even by those of us that don't work there. - DeWitt Clinton

Welcome to the ex-Yahoo club, Jeremy, and congratulations on the move. Looking forward to seeing what comes next for you. - Ryan Kuder

Congrats! - Ginger Makela

Best of luck! - Mike Reynolds

Who's the next lucky one to hire you!? :) - directeur

Good luck! - Matt Wood

Reading this in Friendfeed. Doesn't seem appropriate to "like" it. More "ackknowledge that it is news". You seemed like a force for good in a good company Jeremy. - Scott Koon via twhirl

Congratulations ;) What's next ? Google or Own project ;) - David Berrebi via twhirl

@Jeremy startup please!! ;-) - Erhan Erdogan

He said a 'smaller' company. So that rules out Google. - Adewale Oshineye

Best of luck Jeremy ! - Charlie Anzman

Good luck Jeremy, can't wait to see what your up to next. - Barry Schwartz

Wow! All the best man! - Robert Cooper via twhirl

Wow! Good luck Jeremy! - Niranjan Tulpule

The problem with having an ! in your company name is people always sound so excited when they write about leaving - Christian Anderson

oh, dear. - edythe

Good Luck, Jeremy. - Krish