CNN just couldn't stand one line with live reports that came out of Tehran via Twitter. I've seen them all, the tanks, the shootings, the censorship, the demonstrations...http://twitter.com/#search..., it was so real.
- Nir Ben Yona
Tick one off for the 'real-time' web!
- Travis Koger
Sadly...believe it or not, the Tuttles (motorcycle dudes) are ridiculously popular and I'm sure the ad revenue and viewership during that spot was huge and CNN didn't want to piss any of them off. Reality television superstars vs. real-time web.
- Dana Fosburgh
Dana: yeah, and that's an indictment of American culture right there that we can't pay attention to what's happening around the world because some stupid motorcycle dudes are too popular.
- Robert Scoble
You're absolutely right, Dana. Ad revenue is on top the list right now, as far as I know. The question then is, should the network change their name so as not to mislead the public?
- Moushumi Kabir
Some times we just report news but some times we(real time web) R the news ,CNN could use all the tools that we do,but they don't ,the news here is that old media if far far behind and as soon as they will get the point they will make the change ,the media world will not stay behind,they will learn and come back ,CNN is just one ,and all the others ? where are they ?
- Johni Fisher
"ad revenue and viewership" - the problem in a nutshell. The cable "news" organizations are nothing of the sort. FOX never was. CNN started becoming more like FOX because FOX beat them in the ratings. You haven't been able to find "news" on cable in years, because bluster and celebrity crap sells more ads.
- John Craft
You mentioned it, but it should be emphasized that NONE of the major cable news networks were focusing on this last night, NOT just CNN. MSNBC, Fox, Bloomberg, CNBC... none of them. The New York Times had some excellent coverage on its Web site, though, including nice posts its The Lede blog. And CNN, to its credit, did have some video online when we checked about 10p CDT.
- Dwight Silverman
John Craft-DING, DING, DING...we have a winner! They should change CNN to CEN (Cable Entertainment Network) I'd think about having some respect for them then!
- Dana Fosburgh
As a business, I understand the need to multiply revenue and profit, more in public companies. But, with it comes responsibilities and priorities, more importantly, focus. Many news network have lost their focus, core business. Now they are taking the easy route and trying to generate revenue to keep shareholders happy. On that note, given the resource and $$$ spent on 'adopting' social...
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- Moushumi Kabir
Nir: Pulitzer Prize winning material there. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
CNN has more Twitter Presence than any other National / Int News Organization , ABC comes in 2nd. I guess some twitter users were just too lazy to find users like @CNNSaeed and @OctaviaNasrCNN
- joebrooks
John: you are right ,but when they can be in place and broadcast live they should stop the crap ,long time ago it was like that ,I don't know if you remember the Iraq /Israel war that CNN reporters were the once that reported the missiles places
- Johni Fisher
"long time ago it was like that" - yes, prior to 2001 CNN had bureaux around the world, a committed news man in Tom Johnson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... , and an owner who didn't demand profits (Ted Turner). Ted sold to Time Warner, TW merged with AOL, and Tom Johnson retired, it all changed.
- John Craft
I love being able to comment right from your blog! It's sounds like you had a very interesting night! It might have been a coincidence, but I believe everything happens for a reason. Look forward to your updates this week!
- Michael Fidler
joebrroks, what is the purpose of so many Twitter accounts? Are they official or personal accounts? What's ROI for these accounts? Those would be my questions as a shareholder/Board. Given the economy, how resources are being used (or wasted) ought to be top priorities.
- Moushumi Kabir
CNN will understand sooner or later that they must change ,I am sure that they are reading our news and as "news" its new for them :-)..... its not just being in place and on time ,it is much more from social media that they ignore
- Johni Fisher
Regardless, CNN was broken before twitter.
- Clint Laskowski
CNN only wants to use Twitter when it suits them -- but when they're getting out-reported by citizen journalists, they fold up the tent.
- Curt Mercadante
Curt, trust me many of these accounts are activated by individuals who happen to be employees of the network and have put their work status on their profile. I doubt these Twitteres are official mouthpiece of the network. In fact, I think the network should be concerned by the random usage and waste of company $$$.
- Moushumi Kabir
Moushumi: If CNN has lost "control" of it's employees' use of Twitter, it is only because these individuals realize the story that is being missed/fumbled by their employer. Perhaps we should consider them like whistleblowers -- unable to stand by and do nothing.
- Curt Mercadante
Curt, I disagree. How an employee behaves or misuses resources should be taken seriously by any employer. I doubt many of them are so called whistle blowers, they aren't blowing anything, most times complaining about their work. If they are paid to maintain social space, that's a different story, as is the case with Robert and many other bloggers, microbloggers, etc. But, just to use one's position with high profile companies to promote their own agenda is simply wrong. My two cents.
- Moushumi Kabir
I agree, the US news media has been broken and biased for a very long time. Maybe it's time for the movers and shakers of the social web to figure out a way to help citizen reporting by building in some rules for reporting to help validate/certify reporters/bloggers. I'm not implying that what's being reported is bad or anything like that, but there's enough people that I know that...
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- Amy D
The control of our media is something that few acknowledge but all should. How is it that just before a movie, you see a star on every cover of a magazine? That's a great example of the ability for others to move and sway media (and public opinion with it) -- granted, it's not harmful when it's something simple like Reese Witherspoon but it should be looked at as an example of HOW media...
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- Patricia
can Twitter become or is it already the concience of the world ?
- Ross Button
Patricia, very true, human nature and what's plaguing workforce. Regarding the latter: I've seen promotion/hire based on whose daughter is friend's with whose daughter, who play golf with whom, who is friend with whose husband/wife, who shares smoke/wine with who, etc.. Simple abuse of power and total lack of professionalism. Good news though, the economic downturn will force (if they haven't already) companies to shake up org for the good.
- Moushumi Kabir
Interesting... I just started getting news alerts from CNN about Iran.
- Amy D
@Amy, the "movers and shakers of the social web" include some that do this very same thing. I think it's up to consumers to police, not "leaders" -- consumers hand over their control in this country all the time, and it's too bad. We have the power to change the world, particularly in our country, yet we choose to leave it up to someone else instead. It's not a surprise, then, to see what we see happen.
- Patricia
@Patricia, That's why I mentioned the movers and shakers instead of the consumers. :) They will never take the lead on it and will consume whatever is popular. The fact that Twitter is popular makes it stand out for them.
- Amy D
Moushumi: I find it troubling that you are more concerned about CNN employees using Twitter on "company time" to cover one of the most important news stories in the world (while their employer remains silent). That's like scolding your employee for not having his "TPS Reports" turned in on time while the office burns down around you. CNN failed here.
- Curt Mercadante
@amy, but if the movers and shakers contribute to the problem, what will anyone gain? Organize a mass movement of consumers to take control of the media and you'll see change. Otherwise, we won't.
- Patricia
@Patricia - Also, I guess you can say the movers and shakers in this media form would be the people that care about and post news rather than the leaders. Maybe they should be called anti-leaders?
- Amy D
@Amy, most consumers do not know the way it works. they are not aware. that has nothing to do with who they are but what they know. i can spot instantly when something is "placed" in the media, when media has been controlled, etc. i've worked behind the scenes in media since i was 22 years old. Most consumers have no idea. To me, awareness is the only way to drive change.
- Patricia
@Patricia Even with your knowledge, are you still a consumer as well? Most people don't know how Internet routing works but it still stays up (for the most part) and it's a very legitimate media source.
- Amy D
@Amy, not sure I get the comparison of how a technical platform that operates on its own has any correlation to how internet media is more legitimate. Regardless, it's too bad that there won't be a larger movement to push better reporting in ALL media (including blogs, etc.) stemming from the CNN example versus solely focusing on CNN because it could be a chance to usher in real change.
- Patricia
Curt: you misunderstood me. Any company should be concerned about waste. If they aren't, they wouldn't be in business. Are you saying EVERYONE working at CNN should be Tweeting about what's going on in Iran? That's insane. That's what journalists/reporters/editors should be doing. My point was more directed at engineers/devs who waste enough time tweeting when there are projects on...
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- Moushumi Kabir
When a car accident happens in a city, the first people to talk about it and report it are those who see it. Then it reaches media. Twitter is the digital/virtual equivalent. I think it's unfair to assume that the media can/should be everywhere to break every news item faster than its eye witnesses -- it did not happen in the old world, it isn't any different with the web. This is...
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- Patricia
Patricia: I agree with much of your last comment. However, when CNN is largely ignoring the story (as it was at many points or most of yesterday, per Robert's post) then it's pretty sad. Yes, the first people to report about the car accident are the people on the ground - and it's not fair to criticize "MSM" for not being there to report it. Which is why we need to reconsider what...
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- Curt Mercadante
@Curt, and on a smaller level, every time I see biz bloggers ignore entrepreneurs who are 500x better than half the ones people write about, I feel the same way. Or, when I watch media and blogs bias towards their insider connections, etc. What I'm saying is not that CNN ignoring the story isn't sad -- what's sad is that CNN ignoring the story isn't exposing the bigger problems...
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- Patricia
Patricia: I see opportunity! Maybe we should be pioneers of the solution? To quote Gandhi: be the change we want to see? :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
@Moushumi, lots try. I try. Unfortunately, ego, interests, money, etc. drive the majority of what's said in today's media/blog world -- not change.
- Patricia
If there is anything good from this, it is that social media and individuals w/in these networks proved their real-time value - my mom (@purplepod) turned to Twitter after finding zero TV coverage and was up last night following those with coverage. She does not Twitter much, but finally realized that if there is anything to be found, it will be online. And not at cnn.com.
- Liza
It's funny. CNN's Reliable Sources ran a segment questioning the need for Twitter in journalism. Rick Sanchez defended it saying he was able to interview someone in Tehran about the riot via Gmail all because of Twitter. The other guy, can't recall his name, labeled it another way our culture is going down the tubes, and the people on it have nothing substantial to say.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Please remember: CNN frequently says, and it is frequently said about CNN, that it cannot be beat in covering a big breaking news story--its bead and butter--and that no American network can match its international reach or global reporting network. They should be out front on this story.
- Jay Rosen
Social networks today are like operating systems in the 1980s--Friendster is CP/M; MySpace is DOS; Facebook is Windows; Twitter is the Mac OS; FriendFeed is OS/2.
Ugh, I find the new friendfeed a total blur. Want the icons back that indicated where it was importing from! Gave the eye something to delineate the column with. Am I crazy?
Definitely miss the service icons. They add important, simple, intuitive context to what we're reading, especially when it's flying past, faster and faster.
- Ryan
no. but it's certainly an ongoing debate.
- edythe
I agree. Without the context, stuff now looks like it *all* belongs to Friendfeed.
- Yule Heibel
I edited the Cleaner FriendFeed script to change the colors the way I wanted in Opera. I wonder if I can append the Service Icons script so that I can also have that functionality.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Installed the Greasemonkey script too and it's definitely better now.
- Dani Figueiredo
I joined FF so recently that I never saw the service icons. For me that wouldn't be much of an addition. I think that the aggregate conversation on FF is what they are trying to encourage.
- JR Holmes
from Nambu
Felicia, we've tried to change FF so that the focus is on the conversation -- the content and the people writing it. On the whole, the service icons were quite confusing to new users, believe it or not. That said, there are a lot of strong opinions surrounding the redesign, and we're going to support skinning soon. Thanks!
- Tudor Bosman
I don't find it hard to believe the service icons were confusing, because the very idea of an activity aggregator is kinda confusing the first time you come across it. However, if that's what friendfeed is, then you kinda need to get the concept, otherwise people are just gonna use it like twitter.
- Mr. Gunn
I just started using this service. I've never used the old user interface. To me this is merely a more comprehensive twitter.
- Edward
Having the icons as an option when themes become available would be great
- Alejandro
picture is worth a thousand words and easy to identify
- rob friedman
from twhirl
I installed the icon script just because, but I can really take it either way.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I like how it's made all import sources equal. And I find the avatars more informative than the service icons. It would, though, be nice to be able to customize what you want to emphasize.
- Victor Ganata
Greasemonkey script is amazing, definitely better! Now if I could change the background (and font color, this light grey hurts my eyes too) I'd be ecstatic. Thx Tudor for responding.
- Felicia
But Victor, the whole thing is that not all sources _are_ equal and the new policy only makes it that much harder to grasp which posts are from less interesting sources. Felicia, you can get userstyles (or userscripts, as in this case) that re-skin FF on the user side: http://userstyles.org/styles... is the one I'm using.
- Andrew C
Thank you, Edward DeMattos, for making my point for me.
- Mr. Gunn
Andrew, this userstyle is MUCH better, I like it bunches. Thanks all, my Friendfeed is usable again!
- Felicia
Perspective. Maryam and I were watching CNBC talking about the economic troubles. She turns to me "I grew up in the middle of a war and a revolution, this doesn't seem that bad."
Breathing? Check! Water? Check! Food? Check! Gunfire on my street? Nope! Right...things aren't that bad.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Yeah, she lived in Tehran and her house was bombed. People are losing their homes, but not like that.
- Robert Scoble
Well, back then too, things were 'not that bad' until a certain point -- and are we maybe a bit numbed, after the disasters of this decade?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Worst I have seen. But I only have a quarter century of bad things to compare it to.
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: it's the worst I've seen too, although the gas lines and malaise and corruption (Nixon/Carter) of the 1970s were pretty damn bad too.
- Robert Scoble
That comment from her is awesomesauce!
- Alex Scoble
I believe, deep in my heart, that the cause of the problems in the 1970's was Disco.
- Geoff Schultz
Yes, Disco is the root of all things that are evil...which is why it's banned from our wedding.
- Alex Scoble
This isn't the worst I've seen...does no one remember the economic situation post 9/11?
- Alex Scoble
Alex: this is far worse than post 9/11. That was a temporary shock to the system. The fears I'm hearing are that this will be long and deep. The dominoes that make up the economy haven't stopped falling yet. On 9/11 it was very fast and came back pretty nicely pretty quickly. We don't yet know how deep or long this one will be, but it's looking damn nasty.
- Robert Scoble
Good point Robert. Do you know anyone who has done some scenarios, projected possible outcomes? Any critical thinkers who have drawn a picture of what the next likely 'dominoes' might be?
- Leif Hansen
Alex: you are just being a jerk now. Since you told me to "be positive" the market has dropped nearly 2,000 points. Well, someday it'll start going up and you'll probably say "see, I called it." Well, here's my stake: the plane is pulling out of its death spiral slightly. So, Monday I wouldn't be surprised to see an up market.
- Robert Scoble
Leif: Auto industry is the domino that's falling now. So, draw lines out from there to who sells stuff to auto industry. That's where the domino falling will go next.
- Robert Scoble
Jerk now? I think you used an unnecessary word in there Robert...But seriously, what have you gained by not being wrong? What have you gained by shouting from the rooftops that the sky is falling? Yeah, yeah, you are Mr. Brutally Honest Scoble...It's your shtick, we get it. Actually, no it isn't...your shtick is telling us what's cool out there...showing the light at the end of the tunnel. All of this fear mongering, doesn't become you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Alex Scoble
On the positive side, isn't this a great time to buy some good shares here and there 'on the cheap'?
- Charlie Ramirez
I have to agree with Robert, I think this is worse than 9/11(regarding the economy of course). This is a meltdown of the markets fundamentals(which werent strong John)
- Geoff Schultz
I think we're all working and living like we're almost through the tunnel, but there's nothing wrong in thinking about the downside and getting prepared, in whatever way we can. Talking preparation would be more constructive than beating our heads against the wall.
- Christopher Galtenberg
@Robert: Isn't it okay to be positive in the face of negative news? I don't think Alex is saying things are great, he's seeing opportunity and he sees the mid-to-long-term future still being bright. When you're faced with something awful it generally pays to be positive.
- AJ Kohn
Most market experts would not have told you to do dollar cost averaging in 2003 when the market was recovering. It's a tool to limit risk when investing in bear markets, not necessarily bull markets. And the S&P being at 850 is just utter crap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Alex Scoble
Christopher Penn's with ya Robert http://www.christopherspenn.com/2008... "...What we face in the months and years ahead is nearly unprecedented in terms of economic turmoil. Our society at large will be different when we emerge on the other side. Some won’t make it. The goods news? You’re not alone, as my friends remind me often..."
- Leif Hansen
People say the same thing in any bear market, but you have to go in at some point and it's better to go in when the market is going down vs going up. But you don't want to go in all at once and be horribly wrong on where the bottom was, so you divide the amount you are going to invest into 10 or 12 blocks and put it into the market in whatever time span you are comfortable with (days, weeks, months) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... That's Dollar Cost Averaging.
- Alex Scoble
the worst ain't over. i went to get some take-out from a popular pizza place in the Wall St area last night that has several restaurant/bars and outdoor seating. The weather was nice and since it was Thursday a lot of people were there, mainly wall st types, mainly VP and below younger people. Talked to a few, not too many are worried too much, but that might be bravado (and alcohol) speaking for them. What the resounding consensus was, though, was that there is more pain to come. I've heard (cont.)
- grant fox
...the same from more credible sources too. At least the dollar is revaluing!
- grant fox
Chris, I'm saying that we won't know where the bottom was until we are already past it. If I had additional money to invest in the market right now, I'd probably spread it out over the next 6 to 8 months. I think we should have seen the bottom by then and then those investments would be in good shape to payoff down the road.
- Alex Scoble
If the sun comes up ... and you're healthy, it's all a matter of perception. Good for her!
- Charlie Anzman
I'm tired of email. Work inbox always full, "me too" responses that I don't need to see, etc.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Such is the mantra of the internet popular folks. Us normal peons tend to manage our 10-20 direct messages a day fairly well
- Bwana ☠
@Robert - that is quite the switch for you isn't it :)
- Steven Hodson
I think what really gets my goat is the email notification of a direct message that I then have to log into a website to respond to. Why can't I just see and reply to the direct message via email?
- Mark Trapp
Email is so 2nd millennium. Now, when my friend wants me, I have her clap twice.
- david beckwith
I totally agree. I want to decide when to reply to a request. IMs make me look rude when not answered instantly.
- Dan van Moll
Bwana, this has nothing to do with popularity, it has to do with efficiently of communication. Also your 10-20 DM's per day are way more than I ever receive (thankfully), so I think you have the popularity thing reversed.
- Scott Beale
facebook still holds a use to those that don't have a twitter account. I like the mail interface there best
- Noah David Simon
one or two is fine, but I dont even have my phone on all the time..
- Danny Bo'itanni
Here, here. I've had "please don't facebook-message me" on my facebook profile since i created it...
- Sean Savage
Sean, good luck getting people to follow that. I've had the "no message" thing on my Facebook profile from the beginning, but most people just ignore it.
- Scott Beale
Twitter DM goes to my email and I can hit back via Twitterberry. Facebook far more intrusive and disruptive.
- Andrew Feinberg
Danny exactly, I get most of my DM's when I'm at my computer, so the mobile argument does not work. It's just one more system that I have to log into to reply, but worse, with Twitter my reply has to be 140 characters. 140 characters totally makes sense when posting to Twitter, but not for direct communication.
- Scott Beale
I have Twitter DMs directed to my mobile - and don't get email notification - and generally respond with email me at ... too bad there isn't an autoresponder on twitter. @sean does that work?
- Beth Kanter
My main problem is that Twitter DMs don't alert you in the UI. You just have to randomly notice the number go up on the right side. (I don't use SMS or email for them)
- Jordan Hofker
some of my email accounts are over twenty years old. I have to know you are sending it to see it. facebook helps me filter people who communicate. It would be nice to see someone make a friendfeed direct message system that worked like facebook's advanced threaded email. I don't like facebook any more then anyone else... but it has a purpose.
- Noah David Simon
Email is dead. Or dying, wasted in the gutter of history wallowing in it's own excrement, waiting to be put out of its misery
- Russell Beattie
no snail mail is dead not e-mail
- Victor
from twhirl
Niether is dead. Until teleportation is reality, snail mail cannot be. Dead is dead. For the love of tech, the telegraph JUST died this year.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Email is still too useful to die. Mail2ff, posting to services like RTM and Ping.fm. It's still the glue that holds a lot of stuff together and allows us to remotely access some of the most popular Web 2.0 software. I also don't see the point of DM's within a specific service. If I haven't given you my IM or Email info...I probably didn't want to speak to you directly and in private :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Either way is fine by me. They all come directly to my phone.
- Clint Ecker
the reply thing is actually turning out to be very annoying in Twhirl, simply because I can suppress them... so I see them each time I load the app. Ugh...
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Email is good, but if some sends me a DM on Twitter, it comes to my mobile directly. So, if you need a quick reply, it's better to DM me, but if you want a detailed or proper reply, email wins. I guess each has its own situational benefits.
- Rajinder Singh
is it because direct message don't show up in your email?
- George Lee
Thanks to Jason C., email is on the rise again. All the tech bloggers are moving backwards.
- Bob Blunk
When Twitter IM worked (remember way back then?), I started to love DMs in lieu of emails. Now? I loathe them.
- Chris Brogan
Not so, I love direct messages on twitter. I never read them. LOL J/king. I always read them. You should see my contact list!! :P
- Paul
Scott, your comment about 140 character limits on DMs not being enough is one of the main problems. I mean, what's the point? If someone has a personal message, email is the best...Twitter is not the only stop on the internet.
- Zach Underwood
Russell I'm still not buying the whole "email is dead" thing, especially when the communication is not time sensitive. So what alternative means of contact are you giving to people that you don't know (ie. on your website, etc.)? IM, SMS, phone number? No thanks, I'll stick with email.
- Scott Beale
I prefer email. Comes straight to my phone and easy to reply. DMs are hard to reply to when I am mobile.
- Jeremy Franklin
Jeremy, exactly, with my iPhone it's very easy to reply to someone via email.
- Scott Beale
Like Rajinder, I think Twitter DM's are a great way to send a quick message or heads up. Similar to getting an SMS basically. But for serious communication or questions, email is the definite winner. You can be much more detailed and convey more (usually) important info that way.
- Dave Schumaker
I just want to be contacted. DM, email, Facebook, a hug...whatever :)
- Blake N. Cooper
I rely more on email than any social site to communicate, but that's me. Email is good for things that can wait a bit, DMs/IMs/SMS messages are good for immediate communication IF it is REALLY that important and in emergencies, I'd rather get a phone call. That's just me
- Andy Glover
My personal preference is the singing telegram, but few people care enough to really take the time these days.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I"m the opposite. If you DM on twitter during the day, I'll know about it almost immediately as I use SMS. If you email me, I'll usually get it relatively quickly, as I check my email every hour or so during the working day, and a few times outside of the working day too. It's the phone I dislike
- Ian May
Regarding Facebook, I don't go into it for a few days at times. I treat it as a play time activity, and not for work use.
- Ian May
I don't understand putting yourself out there on a public framework, and not expecting people to contract you via that public mechanism. Twitter and those types of services are not a one way street. I can tell the world something, but don't bother me with your thoughts about it, unless you use the pre-approved comment system. Also, please don't pester me with your DMs, but make sure you subscribe to me on Identi.ca! Yeah, that sounds really fair to me. *sarcasm*
- Darrell Bell
Different tools for different needs: IM for instant message... "I'm in a mtg, can't get your call...is it important?". E-mail for more complete communication. Phone can be pretty useless, what with phone tag and voicemail tag.
- Mahboud Zabetian
However, what I dislike about Twitter & DM is that it kills my enjoyment/use of Twitter. I want to know what people are up to, what they are thinking, what they want others to know about. What is not enjoyable/useful is seeing half of a semi-private conversation. Like msg today: "@so_and_so didn't know! is he okay?!" Huh? Who? What? Should I ask? Wazzup? I think DMs should be DMS and not half-duplex shouts into the ether...
- Mahboud Zabetian
I use Twitter almost exclusively through email, via direct notifications and the daily FriendFeed summary email. My sister uses Twitter direct, and I am frustrated that I use email to reply. I check my girlfriend's twitter on the website sometimes when I'm curious :)
- Richard Soderberg
I dont think you are the minority here. Emails for direct messages are the best
- Rajat Tibrewal
from twhirl