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Friendfeed needs to time-stamp the comments.
Kathleen Capps, Kol Tregaskes, Tanath and 116 other people liked this
Yeah, that is something that I have been thinking about.
- Kevin Bondelli
Less thinking more action ;)
- Alberto Reyes
A tooltip maybe on hover over the quote graphic. Keep it clean
- Andrew Smith
Optional feature - timestamp - not default.
- Susan Beebe
great idea!
- Sarah Perez
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments
- Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed.
- Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped
- Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is.
- Ryne Nelson
It would be useful sometimes.
- Morton Fox
concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then.
- Alexander Falk
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left.
- Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
Comments are time stamped in bTT as well.
- Francois Bochatay
from bTT
and also in twhirl
- Marco Kaiser
from twhirl
agreed. Timestamps are important
- Peter Dawson
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!?
- TommaSorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out...
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain).
- Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer.
- James Polley
yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment
- Jonathan
منم به فارسی تایید می کنم
- Kamal
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change
- Noah David Simon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly
- Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered.
- Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up
- Noah David Simon
like i said earlier about plurk :)
- kosmar
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post.
- John Duff
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol
- Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago.
- Mike Fruchter
Any news?
- Amiroo ™
<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon
- topo
Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated.
- Ross Miller
I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right !
- David Berrebi
other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Agreed. The entire time...
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
Rahsheen, your point is awesome right now :)
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
this feed tells me that noone reads the comments before theirs =] =] j/k
- Özgür D. Cyric
Yes,sure. The problems is how to realize it?
- Motor Industry
Ross Miller:Thanks, my bad lots of greasemonkey junk keep me away to recognize that
- Amiroo ™
del.icio.us A-to-Z by Functions : All 150+ hacks categorized - http://www.econsultant.com/delicio...
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Python developers on twitter - http://wiki.python.org/moin...
duckamuk, directeur, Michael R. Bernstein and 7 other people liked this
I started a list of python developers to follow on twitter. Please help and add other python developers or yourself if you are on twitter and tweet about python
- Peter Hoffmann
I would have to add like half the people I follow :) It would probably be easier to start a twitter account and just have it follow all of the Pythonistas than list them on a wiki page.
- Eric Florenzano
the twitter account can only be administered by one person or a small group, but the wiki can be edited by everyone.
- Peter Hoffmann
recently the micro-blog Identi.ca started supporting GROUPS (unlike Twitter), http://identi.ca/search... -- so it would be easy to start one for developers. [plus one can auto-forward identi.ca messages to Twitter ;-]
- Adriano
hum... not a plug, I swear but what about: http://www.socialwhois.com/tag... ? :) And yes, the app is written in Python and even Eric Florenzano helped! :)
- directeur
craigsphone - craigslist for iphone - http://appshopper.com/utiliti...
patrick, borghrose, Devon Campbell and 7 other people liked this
"why wait til you get home to post that missed connection? better yet, upload a picture of yourself while you're still on the bus and if he's got a craigsphone, perhaps you can connect right there? the internet is raw and beautiful because it is Us, and no site is more Us than craigslist."
- Thomas Bøhm
from Bookmarklet
Is this the first CL app? If so, can't believe it took so long...
- Walt Ruppar
I think the app is called CraigSearch and not craigsphone.
- Amani
Dave Winer: there is a place that is free from Scoble. It is called MySpace and Live.com.
Thierry R. Andriamirado, heri, Marcus Beagley and 40 other people liked this
LOL.
- imabonehead
You like dave then ? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Even you are better than MySpace and Live.com (Sarcasm, I really like your stuff)
- Tyler (Chacha)
from IM
LOL
- Uncle CW™
don't forget Plurk and FriendsReunited
- Zee.
I just wanted to let him know that there is someplace he could go without seeing me. Thinking of it I am not on Yahoo or AOL much either.
- Robert Scoble
You're not on Classmates.com, are you?
- Robyn Miller
I show up on Plurk once a year to say hi and to collect karma. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm pretty sure he isn't on HeavyAsHell.com yet either. :D
- MarkCarras
You should try MySpace, Robert, I'm sure you'd love it ;-)
- Phil Jeudy
Robyn: no.
- Robert Scoble
Bebo?
- AJ Kohn
I sent you a friend request on Plurk right after Gnomedex this summer and it's still sitting there. :D
- MarkCarras
Phil: I love the music there but my son hangs out there so I don't need to.
- Robert Scoble
AJ: nope, not on Bebo.
- Robert Scoble
Dave wrote a blog post about the "Church of Scoble" but says he doesn't have Scoble top of mind. Hmmmm.
- Michael Krigsman
And Scoble says he doesn't care about followers, yet has <insert large number here>. Hmmmm.
- Michael Krigsman
Michael the one who cares about being followed will put most care into who he or she follows.
- Robert Scoble
Waste of perfectly good domain names.
- Melik Yuksel
I bet Fling.com would be another place not to find Scoble. At least...I hope it is.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Not on Fling either.
- Robert Scoble
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen you on Hello Kitty Online, either. Wait, I mean—never mind.
- Mark Trapp
Robert, the people who want lots of followers follow anyone, hoping the following will be returned. For most people, following fewer people leads to fewer follows, not more.
- Michael Krigsman
I'm friends with a guy who sings in a death metal band and he loves Hello Kitty. Creepy eh? :D Nice guy though.
- MarkCarras
Yes, but what is the quality of those followers? it's all very low quality people who will never respond or converse with you.
- MarkCarras
I don't want the most followers. I want to have conversations with smart people. Which is why I am here and why I follow you.
- Robert Scoble
Kyte aint working for me! hmmm
- bcultral
I'm smart.?.. :o) nice one!
- Rob Sellen :o)
LOL! Best line I've read all day, Scoble. Well done, sir.
- Steven Perez
I haven't seen you on LinkedIn. If you haven't checked it out recently, you may want to revisit it. Conversations are now supported within LinkedIn groups, and they also have their "Answers" feature. In my case, LinkedIn is more relevant to my job (but FriendFeed is more relevant to my interests).
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
One thing about LinkedIn - it does have its LIONs who will link to just about anybody. I do link to a few people with more than 500 followers (Chris Brogan being one of them), but try to do this judiciously.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I don't do LinkedIn either.
- Robert Scoble
You're missing out on the recent home.live.com launch. Nice aggregation features across other SNs with IM integration. You should check it out.
- Randy Holloway
You used to be a big Live.com fan - back when you worked at Channel 9. Have you given up on Live? ;-)
- Lorin Olsen
I am still checking it out but it hasn't done anything to get me super excited.
- Robert Scoble
I did literally laugh out loud at this.
- Matt Cutts
I blocked Dave Winer to save him the pain of being enslaved by me. Geesssshhhh.
- Robert Scoble
Winer was being a whiner tonight. I like the guy but he was talkin' more smack than normal.
- MarkCarras
More smack than normal? Have you been following Winer long? :)
- Bwana ☠
Ha! Good point. When it flows that heavy how does one tell that it is less or more? :D
- MarkCarras
Maybe Dave should start his own Twitter clone. Then he and the Gillmor Gang can sit all night and discuss why the letter W looks like a M on it's back
- Marcus Beagley
Adobe AIR for Linux Beta is out! - http://blogs.adobe.com/ashutos...
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Once Chrome technologies are cross-platform and more pervasive, is there any real use for runtime environments like AIR?
- LogEx
A Byte of Python updated to python 3.0 and how a book can make a difference - http://www.swaroopch.com/blog...
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Mattel Classic Football Game - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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i remember playing that
- (jeff)isageek
I totally remember that game...and then they came out with simultaneous two player ones later...fun times.
- Alex Scoble
My brother and I completely wore out the 2 player version
- Tad
OMG. We had this and an asteroids one.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I totally played that game. I also had the baseball one. My mom gave me the Baseball one in 1979 for my 13th birthday. damn, those were the days. :=)
- Alberto Lopez
I was so addicted to this when I was 8 or so. I could kick serious ass on it.
- Thomas Hawk
Man, up until about 5 years ago, I still had an _original_ of the white Mattel football from when I was a kid. My dog decided to make it his chew toy one day and I shed more than a few tears. :(
- Steve just Steve
I found one move you could do where you could score every single time. It was fun for a while to rack up stupid points, but the novelty wore off quickly... Used that though to beat my brother 100s of times. :D
- Tad
oh man, the pinnacle of gaming.
- Sean Oliver
never liked football or sports games, but i remember this thing!
- Anthony Citrano
loved that game
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I was jealous of friends who had it, but it bored me to play it ;)
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I used to play this all the time with my great Uncle. I inherited it after he passed away, but unfortunately it doesn't work any more. not sure I could stand playing on a different unit, but I do love this game.
- Jon Price
OMG! I had one of those
- vicster is...
I'd love to start playing with one of these on a flight while everybody around me has iPhones or DS Lites.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
I had *and* have this game again. Got this for Christmas as a kid - the night before I was hearing strange noises (are UFOs coming and landing on the lawn?) and went to parent's room to make sure everything was okay. Fired this up the next day and the lightbulb went off. Maybe that's when I knew Santa wasn't real?
- AJ Kohn
there's an iPhone version now...
- Kevin Fox
I had many variations of handheld electronic games as a kid, but Bambino basketball (http://www.davesvideoarcade.co.uk/tableto...) and an Amidar handheld were among my faves. I had a crappy Pacman watch as a kid, too, with a little joystick nub that I was always losing.
- abacab
I was an Electronic Quarterback player myself (and somehow still have mine), but for anyone who grew up with these - sit down and play it ASAP. There's almost no way to get this much childhood joy from a simple game.
- Jay Wiegmann
I had a ton of electronic games from that time period, all lost now. Although for my bday a couple years ago, my wife scored me one of these from eBay: http://www.fredsociety.com/fabulou... That was the first toy/game I bought for myself, with money I was given for my 11th birthday.
- Roger Benningfield
My dad had that. I always blitzed and did onside kicks to run up the score.
- Louis Gray
I remember you had to run up to the ball on a long pass sometimes or else you'll get intercepted.
- Rodfather
@Aj - the light bulb went off or went on? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
My brother had this, i used to play it all the time.
- sergiooo
I HAD THAT!
- Josh Haley
beautiful object!
- edythe
10 Suggestions To Improve FriendFeed's Beta - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Dave Martin, mr-mojo-risin, Andrew Terry and 100 other people liked this
Well put, Louis - I think you covered all my frustrations
- Jesse Stay
2, 5, 7, 8 are my favorites. I'd also like to add the ability to hide certain post that match a keyword, e.g. McCain etc..
- Tibor Holoda
Tibor, you are right. Forgot that one. A rooms directory also seemed to small for a list of ten.
- Louis Gray
Feel free to make it 11 point long, it seems everyone's a sleep still anyway ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Good points. I'm particularly keen on 1, 2, 6 and 7. Reshared to Friendfeed Beta room btw.
- David Young
I commented on it. Mostly love the suggestions.
- Robert Scoble
1 and 10 I really like.
- Johnny Worthington
#9 is essential.
- Mohamed J
I'd also like to see Disqus comments to be treated as comments, which by implementing Louis suggestion in point 2, will make more sense i guess. Comments are comments, posts are posts. In case there will be no link to which the comment is added, it could work like posting a link with the Disqus comment under. Btw, @Robert, you don't have Disqus hooked up in FF ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Excellent post Louis. You are pretty much spot on with those 10 suggestions.
- Mike Fruchter
Tibor: I don't like Disqus pulling in comments here. Often I want different communities to remain separate. I'll manually pull in comments or point out when I've made comments that FriendFeeder's should be aware of. Like I did here.
- Robert Scoble
11. add user definable font size. the new beta makes me squint :)
- h1ro
#9! I hide things liberally and it does bug me, when I click on page 2, I'm seeing page 1 all over again.
- Yolanda
Free booze??
- john conroy
Great suggestions Louis, I would also add: The Ability to Hide Specific RSS Feeds and Search All Entries by URL
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
and go-faster stripes, a background of babes in bikinis, and intermittant embedded hilarious fart noises.
- john conroy
I have to so that FF has been growing well with the current feature set. Like all areas of activity contraints can sometimes be helpful. FF needs to innovate itself, rather than copy straight from Twitter (DM's), Facebook (profiles) etc. 2,4,10 are most important. The issue here is not so much what features we want as how can FF grow into a mature platform.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: I see your point, but i still think it would be a good thing to handle Disqus comments as comments, not as posts. User decides, if he wants them appear in his FF stream or not - like in your case.
- Tibor Holoda
Great List Louis! #2 is my favorite one.
- Peter Hoffmann
Tibor, I agree with you (Robert, when are you going to enable Disqus on your blog?). For the blog owner it's much easier to consolidate into one place if they can tie your comments straight to the FriendFeed post itself instead of an entirely new post.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
One more suggestion - tagging. I want to be able to tag individuals, both in my posts, *and* my comments if I'm talking about them or something they might be interested in.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Excellent list. My top priority though, isn't on there - (as per Shey) renaming or separating "Blog" posts, so individuals can hide your blog vs. another "blog" .. I'd also like it easier to determine which services I am/am not showing per individual. Just give me some enable/disable checkboxes on the users page. Strands did this right.
- Tim Hoeck
Great suggestions Louis. One clarification on #4 -- most people never see this "default" list because they were either invited by another user, or they import friends from email or facebook. The recommendations are then based entirely on who their other friends are, and will make a lot more sense.
- Paul Buchheit
Indeed some good suggestions. My guess is that the reason that #2 (duplicates) has not been implemented yet, is that it is very tricky to do right. If they do manage to implement it and get it right, I will be very impressed. I would not be too surprised though, since Friendfeed has some really sharp people working there.
- Robert Felty
Excellent List and some good suggestions in comments as well. I really would like to see 2,3,5,6, & 10. The share on FF bookmarklet should be more like Tumblr's. I would also like to be able to filter my feed to prevent duplicates. I would like to cross post my tumblr to my main blog and twitter but in doing so I create more noise for my FF stream. If I could filter out posts from blog or twitter that started with "XYZ" then I could cross post freely without worrying about FF noise.
- Keith - @tsudo
@Paul, thanks for the comment. I did test by signing up to just one individual, as if they had invited me, and by changing the one person I subscribed to, the recommended friends did change. That said, if you check out recommended friends in Facebook, there's the option to "X" out people you don't want and provide more. Plaxo also does this well.
- Louis Gray
Re: #1 and #8 I would like to see profile information that I can search, so I can find FF folks who are geographically near me or who are in my profession or who share a common interest with me. Great post - thanks!
- Courtney McGough
I am really getting confused. I just commented on the post. Now I see the comments here as posts. Totally agree with Tibor, messing posts together with comments, be it from Disqus or anywhere else, does not increase transparency.
- Jan Horna
#7 - want to make sure i understand that concept of "fake follow" - home feed contains all friends by default & you can then add them to a list/grouping to subdivide them for easier readability - to remove them from the home feed you have to actually de-select them when you add them to a list and then never go to that list again - is that what "fake follow" is - if so, way to much work for no return and only lame*ss self absorbed status mongers will be doing it - imho of course :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
#5 - My thought would be to make an invitation-only private room. Wouldn't this solve the partial-distribution problem?
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, it could, and some do, but that's a room, and not a feed. Unless the room data permeates the feed, it could get missed.
- Louis Gray
I like your list. One other feature I'd like to see is to filter by service in whatever view I am in.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The absolute killer feature for me would be, if FF will recognize languages of the posts, or at least to differentiate between english vs. non-english and allow filtering. Would that even be possible or did my brain just farted? :)
- Tibor Holoda
(sorry for cross posting) Firstly, I'd like to add to Louis' list the capability to search rooms and then to search inside rooms. Secondly, I must confess that support for a basic profile would be useful. But as always I'd encourage the reuse of data (so importing it from whatever source the user decides). DMs might be usefull, but I haven't felt the need for them so far.
- Alex Popescu
I usually don't like to speak about things that are not ready, but this post was catchy. I currently have a prototype that deals with de-duping the resource links. I haven't looked into de-duping pure messages, but my gut feeling is that this might be even easier. I hope to find the time to deploy this app sometime soon.
- Alex Popescu
About private messaging: at first I thought this was a silly idea for ff, until I realized that the private messages could just show up where ff items normally show up, e.g. private comments.
- j1m
My 15 Favorite Web 2.0 Sites (2008) - http://blog.go2web20.net/2008...
Parthasarathi, Tibor Holoda, Ravindran Navaneethan and 17 other people liked this
A lot of overlap with my faves, which is rare, which means Orli is really in tune with ordinary nutcases like me ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
nice list, i use top 12 and love it
- Alexey
The Million Dollar a Month Facebook Application - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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so which one is it?
- Tim Connors
What is your Strands account? - http://beta.strands.com/mikefru...
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Let's connect -http://beta.strands.com/mikefru...
- Mike Fruchter
What is this strands? From the front page, it looks like a friendfeed clone. Am I way offbase?
- Eric Florenzano
Eric, have a read at Louis Gray's post. http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Mike Fruchter
Mike: Thanks! Reading now.
- Eric Florenzano
Rebkin, http://beta.strands.com - code "louisgray1"
- Mike Fruchter
louisgray2.. louisgray1 is spanish
- Kyle Lacy
http://beta.strands.com/mark_j_... - Mark McDonnell
- Mark McDonnell
any one have an extra invite code? morganb (at) gmail -dot- com thanks :)
- Morgan
+25 rebkin!!! thank you so much :)
- Morgan
Con someone give me an invite code?
- Svartling
@Svartling: Direct message me your email address on Twitter (or something) and I'll send you an invite.
- Peter Lindberg
List of 50 modules for Python - http://www.catswhocode.com/blog...
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Python for Bash scripters: A well-kept secret (Feb. 08) - http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008...
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Yahoo! BOSS FAQ: http://bit.ly/yahooboss
- Stephen Gornick
Boss Mashup Framework (Python library) http://bit.ly/bosspython
- Stephen Gornick
Any comments on this bit about XMPP and scaling issues? http://blog.twitter.com/2008...
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If you haven't already looked at it I suggest you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... then look under the heading 'Weaknesses'. My own thought is that evil minded people could use it for launching a ddos attack against the Twitter servers, that is if they haven't done that already.
- James Robertson
James, the way I read that Wikipedia entry, it seems that scalability currently is only a concern in multi-user chat. IANAE, but I don't think that's relevant to Twitter's use of XMPP -- they run a bot. Thoughts?
- Dan MacTough
Dan, They might only run a bot however all the traffic goes to Twitter's servers. I don't have the numbers but that could require a lot of data bandwidth which should really not be their concern. Basically they need to offload that service to something like Amazon's Elastic cloud.
- James Robertson
So it's a Twitter architecture issue, not an XMPP scalability limitation. Right?
- Dan MacTough
Right, although I doubt XMPP was originally designed to be used how Twitter want to use it. Which means XMPP gets the job done but it's probably not the most efficient protocol to use. However with the increased bandwidth capacity over the next 5 years this is going to be less of an issue.
- James Robertson
Are there any good wikis out there? (hosted) I need one for a crazy project.
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Hosted Confluence?
- Grant Gochnauer
Dare I say..Google..*gulp* Sites? :) :P :D :)
- Bwana ☠
I use Atlassian's Confluence product (local, not hosted) - awesome!; also try out freebie hosted solution by Wet Paint. http://www.wetpaint.com/wiki...
- Susan Beebe
another one for confluence local
- kartik vaithyanathan
+1 for Confluence
- Atul Arora
I love your crazy projects : ) !Wetpaint!
- Erhan Erdogan
David Weekly's pbwiki.com is pretty popular. Never used it personally.
- Bret Taylor
I've worked with Google Sites, Wetpaint and PBWiki. I like Sites and Wetpaint the most. SocialText is good, too.
- Todd Mundt
PBWiki is really quick to implement.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I tried all, pbwiki won! also great branding - than others. ----> (orghh wetpaint now) :D
- Erhan Erdogan
we use Google sites for our start up here. Trac also has wiki built in as well.
- Patrick Li
To clarify, this is something that I expect lots of random people to use+edit. I tried WetPaint once and ran into a lot of dumb problems. I've never heard of Confluence, will have to check it out.
- Paul Buchheit
Why not just google doc writer? it does most of what a wiki does and no installation.
- Javed Alam
@paul - Have you considered Wikia (http://www.wikia.com/)? It runs MediaWiki (same as Wikipedia) and is designed for lots of random people to edit.
- DeWitt Clinton
Well if you're going to go crazy why not write a really simple wiki on top of appengine? Storage and authentication are already handled for you and you can use one of the python markdown implementations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... The only reason I could imagine why you'd want something like this is because you want to outsource the system maintenance or you want it to run on infrastructure that's independent of the FF systems. AppEngine would give you that.
- Adewale Oshineye
PBWiki is a good alternative and StikiPad. Depending on what you're doing, a TiddlyWiki at TiddlySpot.com might be an interesting alternative.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
wikimatrix.org(compare tool) might be useful. wikipatterns.com has really interesting adoption patterns
- Greg Plumbly
from Alert Thingy
You should totally use Google Sites. I think it is the most amazing Wiki ever. Plus, the product manager is a great guy. I mean I can't say enough about the product manager. Wow, wow, wow. You should use it just because of him.
- Scott Johnston
Confluence-- seems like you have to install everything past html.
- Ashton
a deki wiki can be hosted on http://wik.is and deki wiki is the bomb
- Christian Burns
hosted? or otherwise? Deki Wiki (as a full installed version) is very powerful. For hosted wikis I favor Wikispaces .. http://wikispaces.com
- Deepak Singh
WIKIDOT. It's superb. Many modules for playing with RSS feeds.
- zeroinfluencer
lol, +1 for Google Sites It's wiki-ish enough for me
- Slappy Line
Atlassian Confluence is the best you will get
- Sherif Mansour
+1 Confluence
- Ken Sheppardson
Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3 Released! - http://www.reddit.com/goto...
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you've got 30 minutes... to write a python script - http://www.reddit.com/goto...
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ha! Guido just got asked "Why Python?" in the App Engine chat. that's like asking me, "Why the Red Sox?"
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BeautifulSoup consistently amazes me; definitely one of my favorite Python modules
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Jim is smarter than I am
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tac /var/friendfeed/mysql/shard0/slow.log | perl -ne 'if (/^#/) { $last = 0; } else { if ($last == 0) { print reverse(@q); @q = (); print "\n"; } $last = 1; }; push @q, $_; '| perl -ne 'if (/^# Time/) { print; print @l; @l = (); next; }; push @l, $_; '| perl -ne 'if (/^# Time/) { $t = $_; next; }; print; print $t if (/^$/); '| perl -ne ' $time = $1 if /^# Time: (.*)/; $qtime = $1 if /^#.* Query_time: (\d*)/; $rows = $1 if /^#.* Rows_examined: (\d*)/; next if /^#/; chop; push @l, $_ if $_; next if $_; print "$time\t$qtime\t$rows\t@l\n"; @l = ();'
- Bret Taylor
Can you understand that command?
- Bret Taylor
Bret, I think there's a syntax error in your code. My FireFox goes into an infinite loop if I don't hide your comment.
- Dewald Pretorius
Examines and formats nicely your slow queries log, ignoring commented lines? Perl, man. Heavy.
- Mark Trapp
It's a series of perl one-liners to selectively report "interesting" entries from the mysql log file. Probably can be rewritten to be faster. Comment here if you'd like me to take a stab at it?
- Prolific Programmer
Got a copy of the log? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Prolific: don't worry about it :) It was a one time thing. I ask Jim a question, he comes back with that command. We have trouble convincing him to use English sometimes. You should try figuring out where to go to lunch - it can involve four programming languages instead of just Perl and sed/awk.
- Bret Taylor
I'm pretty sure you just need Hutch and Yuvi to compute a "likes" compatibility index for all the eating establishments within 10 minutes drive/walk from Friendfeed HQ. :)
- Mark Trapp
and that was just Jim cursing.
- Sanjeev Singh
Ha!
- Mark Trapp
I honestly did teach Jim English!
- Anne Bouey
It takes a log, reverses it and passes it to a perl program (here an inline one) which analyzes every line, sorts and and shows slow queries? :)
- directeur
3 things: 1) You use mysql :) 2) you have smart "old sysadmin monkeys" :) and 3) why not python and generators? :)
- directeur
@directeur - I like python as much (more?) than the next guy, but I still use perl for my shell one-liners (that are too complex for simple pipes, sed, grep, cut, and awk) because python can't really do one-liners.
- DeWitt Clinton
The format of the slow query log sucks so bad
- Michael
thats why i hate perl and love python :) but yeah its fast
- Chris Hofmann
Does Friendfeed rely very heavily on Perl? What are the most used languages at Friendfeed?
- Sean McBride
<p>HTML all the way!</p>
- Mike Lewis
Real programmers use whitespace (http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitesp...).
- Mark Trapp
Sean: we are all Python for our frontend, and Java for our backend. We have some C++ modules for Python, but very little of it.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret, you guys use Java on the backend? Is that why you don't have any performance issues?
- Rob Diana
Bret: By backend you mean the DB ? (You once told me that the feeds parsing was done by a python program using cElementTree)
- directeur
Great to learn that you are using Java on the backend.
- Mustafa K. Isik
Our infrastructure will soon be fairly unique (and not a traditional DB). I can't really say more now, but I am hoping Tudor, Jim, and Sanjeev will do a blog post about it when it is fully deployed.
- Bret Taylor
Mysql version of BigTable?
- Shafi Ahmed
Not Mysql, it's ThierSql :)
- directeur
Does not matter what language is used to extract the data. It is the architechture that matter. BigTable, MonetDB, LucidDB are column-oriented databases whereas traditional databases are row-based.
- Shafi Ahmed
Bret: thanks for the interesting info. I guessed that Python might loom large here, since I've been told that it's a key component of the Google culture, from which Friendfeed (to some degree) emerged. In any case, the look and feel and operation of this site is amazingly slick, fast and brilliant -- a tribute more to the programmers than to the programming languages.
- Sean McBride
What was the question?
- Richard Gallo
I just cannot wrap my head around perl
- Benjamin Golub
I loves me some Perl!
- felix
Bret says hello
- Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius
Holy mackerel. An old post...but so cute.
- Mitchell Tsai
Coding.
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What are you writing?
- Bret Taylor
Working my way through _Introduction to Algorithms_ and the _Algorithm Design Manual_ and implementing them in Python. I'm scratching two itches here -- one, I feel I suck at advanced algorithms, and two, I've found existing python libraries to be rather patchwork when I've needed them. Besides, as I get older and get to code (regretfully) less on the job, I need this stuff to stay (or rather, become) sharp.
- DeWitt Clinton
Background being that I started working full time right after undergrad and never did a Masters or PhD, and it's amazing just how little you can study in four years, and how easy it is to rely on crutches (like standard libraries) for the fundamentals of computer science. Now I'm a bit obsessed with making up for that.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: if you want even wider algorithm scope recommend looking at "parallel algorithms" ( http://www.amazon.com/Introdu... ) and "programming collective intelligence" a pragmatic book about machine learning ( http://radar.oreilly.com/archive... ).
- Amund Tveit
@amund - Nice, I'll check out both. Most of what I know about traditional (signal machine) parallel programming comes form Doug Lea's book _ Concurrent Programming in Java_, and most of what I know about distributed programming comes from mapreduce/bigtable-esque models, and the more classical models from past jobs (caching, layering, etc). I'm also picking up a fair bit in exploring Erlang (by way of papers, not writing the code).
- DeWitt Clinton
The difference being that you get to do something useful all day, and I'm just overhead. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: hm, overhead, probably not (I am going in same direction.. :) since you look at Erlang and know Python I will recommend investigating Stackless Python (and Greenlet Python) - Erlangish by from my point of view somewhat more syntax-friendly (diplomatically said). Both Stackless and Greenlet are being used by MMOG companies, e.g. Greenlet (and Eventlet) by Second Life and Stackless by Eve Online. More info: http://amundblog.blogspot.com/2008...
- Amund Tveit
Ooh, I forgot about Stackless.
- DeWitt Clinton
@DeWitt: a warning — although I loved learning all the computer science stuff, and ended up writing better designed software, I got a lot less done after getting all that in my head. :(
- Amit Patel
Re: friendfeed.py Patch for use on Google App Engine - http://benjamingolub.com/2008...
"Are you sure you have Django in your python path? You might also need to use Django trunk; I have not tested this using the version included in Google App Engine (which is .96 and very far away from trunk). This link ( http://code.google.com/appengi......) tells you how to use trunk on GAE. Good luck!"
- Benjamin Golub
thanks for the link. I was about to go looking for a way to use trunk with GAE
- Greg Newman
http://code.google.com/appengi... is the full link (which during the import from Disqus seems to have gotten lost) This is exactly how I use trunk for fftogo
- Benjamin Golub
Python, Javascript, And PHP as Languages for Beginners - http://codingexperiments.com/archive...
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Not sure I agree with all the points, but good post none the less.
- Adnan
What don't you agree with? It would be interesting to hear your opinion.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
For instance, I think indentation in Python is a good thing... teaches you to write clean readable code from the get go.
- Adnan
Adnan hit it on the head. Learning to indent your code is useful. I learned that the hard way, having started with JavaScript and getting lost in endless levels of nesting without indentation.
- Voyagerfan5761
I indent stuff all the time, but it just seems weird being _forced_ to indent. That's just my logic.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
When I was born, my father lifted me up high above his head, turned to the crowd (who were busy punching cards) and boomed "Behold, the indenter is born". I would get disowned if I didn't indent so it's alienese to me if anybody says its wierd to be forced to indent.
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
ESR recommends Python, C, Perl, and LISP: http://www.catb.org/~esr... -- Paul Graham says save the time and go straight to LISP
- cerement
God post! Tabs are as important in code as comments.
- Bill Sodeman
from fftogo
Actually, Guido has said the indentations are there in order to make Python better as a teaching language.
- Andrew Feinberg
Top 25 Friendfeedsters in Benjamin Golub's Zone: - http://ff.deasil.com/friendz...
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Basically exactly who you'd expect. FriendFeed staff, Googlers, and prominent bloggers.
- Benjamin Golub
I never see myself on any of these, I need to up my A. game!!
- Joe Dawson
from Alert Thingy
on for some new stats :-P
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
from twhirl
Dobromir: Did you see the Pipe for getting "Who's commented the most on your posts"? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
yes I did, it's a bug :-P
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I think these are interesting, I wish I had more horsepower and that FF's api told you in any given user record if that person's feed was private. I think it's very interesting to see how many circles exist on FF. Right now, I don't store any info, besides cache info, on people.
- felix
Please don't get me wrong people, but I just can't understand the "need" for such information/graphs/charts... I wonder about the need that ignited the creation
- directeur
directeur: It's a good way to find new people to follow. We probably know most of the people, but there are some surprises.
- Mitchell Tsai
I don't know about need. I think sometimes we just like to play with the shiny.
- Morton Fox
+1 Morton, +1 directeur But I'm like Joe... not on anyone's. It's humbling.
- Cyndy
I started the Meme, Felix one-upped me and neither me nor him are on anyone's chart :P
- Yuvi
Finally, some charts that don't have my name plastered all over them. Whew.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Yeah, Yuvi, right?? What's up with that?? :)
- felix
Ben has the super geek profile! hehehee!
- Susan Beebe
I just got it, and I DEFINITELY hate this kind of "classification" (say it like it is) Believe me folks, maybe it's a game for you (and maybe not) but it's not woth a nickel as information. Let me explain: These charts are based on data gathered from a service that doesn't actually generated the data, but that uses data generated elsewhere... your correlation parameters aren't the right ones
- directeur
These charts are a playground while we wait for the next feature.
- Russellreno
:) Actually i don't mind that much, but IMHO there's more in taking each person as an individual with every little thing he/she can bring... Popularity is nothing, really. Not that these guys aren't worth mentionning, but if mentionning is because of digits and stats, then I'd better read mister smith's blog post on Python :) --I wonder if you see what I mean
- directeur
directeur :) - these charts are definitely nothing to take too seriously. I think, though, that it is interesting to see how closely knit the FF community is. I hope to make some changes that will give a broader view of the community as opposed to the limited circle it is now. But for now, it's just pretty charts and suppositions. :)
- felix
It's all ok felix :) I suppose that you made the thing in python, right? I appreciate any coding initiative... I'm, just like I said before, wondering about the "need", But hey! Everyone's free... :)
- directeur
Seems like there are lots of local FF communities. The FriendFeed founders (e.g. Paul Buchheit http://friendfeed.com/e... Sanjeev Singh http://friendfeed.com/e...) seem to be in their own universe, as do the Germans, and the Persians. I wonder if we picked a "random" person, what the center would be... Unlike Twitter, A-List (& B-List) bloggers may not be the heaviest users...yet! ;-)
- Mitchell Tsai
@directeur - it started in python when it was going to be an app engine app, but when I deployed it mostly functional it turns out it didn't play well with production app engine, so I redid the whole thing in Perl on one of my servers. :)
- felix
Mitchell, ok, let's try directeur :) He's not american, not persian, not french, not european, English is but his 4th language, he doens't follow arrington, mashable, scoble... Show me what it gives
- directeur
@mitchell - yeah, looks like there's language based circles, but broadly speaking in english eat seems like one center is scoble/arrington/gray I haven't seen any trend showing another broadly addopted significant circle. Of course, it's probably also true that the audience right now is a self-selected portion of FF. :)
- felix
@felix: why didn't it work on appengine, what errors/limitations have you had?
- directeur
Look at Paul Buchheit's circle http://friendfeed.com/e... - Robert Scoble comes in at #16 and appears on no other FriendFeeder circles. Benjamin Golub seems to be half-way between the Robert Scoble center and the FriendFeeder center. Some of the other FriendFeeders are in the main list of 37 charts http://friendfeed.com/e....
- Mitchell Tsai
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