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Nothing like a big turkey dinner at 11 am. http://yfrog.com/05y77oj
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Sauerkraut?
- Dave Roth
I asked for everything not realizing there would be sauerkraut. Ironically, that is the 2nd time I've accidentally gotten sauerkraut in a week.
- Andy Roth
from email
Sauerkraut is YUMMERS!
- Admiral Anika
Was hotdog day the day before?
- Dave Roth
What is this "#fb" tag is see in so many Tweets now?
Mitch, Bruce Lewis, Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF and 5 other people liked this
its an facebook app, selective tweets get pushed to facebook
- sean percival
http://apps.facebook.com/selecti... will update your Facebook status if your Twitter status update contains #fb.
- Tudor Bosman
Selective tweets, which you need them as facebook status... there is an app for it on facebook! :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Facebook could just get over this by allowing users to associate their Twitter account in Facebook and selectively post to Twitter (like SocialToo is doing right now via our SocialToo Status: http://apps.facebook.com/socialt...). I'd love to have access to this via the API if you do it though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: The problem is that that is backwards. Nobody wants to selectively post to Twitter from Facebook. They want to selectively post to Facebook from Twitter. I update my FB status once every few days, max. I update Twitter maybe 10 times a day. Sometimes I want to update both, but I don't want to do it from FB, I want to do it from Twitter. The Selective Twitter Status app on Facebook does this perfectly. Just associate, then add #fb when you want to update both. It works, it's simple, it's effective.
- Otto
Otto, yes, that is your opinion - I have my own numbers that support my claim.
- Jesse Stay
As much as it pains me to say it, Otto is right. Selective Twitter does exactly what people want to do, and how they use the services. There's no reason to go in the other direction, and it's folly to try to push things in the wrong direction.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, yes, that is your opinion - I have my own numbers that support my claim.
- Jesse Stay
If only I could selectively post my friendfeed to facebook, instead of the all or nothing setting now.
- Christian Burns
Christian, you do, if you use the Selective Twitter Ap, then you just have to check the "post to twitter" box, and add the post to facebook tag.
- Matthew DeVries
Testing selective Friendfeed posting to Twitter and then to facebook now #fb
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Selective Twitter Status has 31,879 monthly active users. I'd say those numbers are pretty darned good, Jesse.
- Otto
It reminds of the South Park ep where everyone started sitting on their food and spitting out poo. Just let things run in their natural direction.
- Matthew DeVries
What I want is to post links from ff to fb but not every single Twitter update,
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I've always wondered this myself
- Mitch
Harry Potter star Emma Watson was left "quite shaken" after students from rival Harvard University stalked her during a recent football game. - http://www.starpulse.com/news...
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offers comfort --->
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
If that left her “quite shaken”, then she's never been properly shaken. [I volunteer.]
- Anthony Citrano
Obviously she would prefer to be stirred, rather than shaken.
- Jimminy Fuller
She should have hopped in her helicopter and left.
- Dave Roth
She should have turned them into frogs or something.
- Andy Roth
offers a magic wand --->
- Josh Haley
We are ever true to Brown . . .
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
JK Rowling denied medal by Bush because Harry Potter 'encouraged witchcraft' - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...
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"In one of his last acts as head of state, Mr Bush gave the medal to former British prime minister Tony Blair. President Barack Obama recently bestowed the honour on physicist Stephen Hawking, amongst others. But according to Mr Latimer's new book, plans for Ms Rowling to receive the Medal of Freedom were nipped in the bud by officials in the previous administration. He claims that the White House politicised the honour under the Bush regime. In Speechless, Latimer writes that "narrow thinking" led "people in the White House to actually object to giving the author J K Rowling a presidential medal because the Harry Potter books encourage witchcraft"."
- Helen Sventitsky
from Bookmarklet
interesting vignette if true
- winckel
Seriously? Wow...
- Kenton
wouldn't surprise me one bit.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
wikipedia: the medal recognizes those individuals whom have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Isn't this another indication of a lack of separation between church and state that happened during the previous administration? That someone did not want to give JK Rowling a Medal of Freedom because of what she purportedly believes rather than what she did?
- Helen Sventitsky
I dont think she believes any such thing - these stories are fantasy and kids know the difference between real life and fantasy, even if some very religious people can't
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Oh, I understood that. It's just that some dumbasses in this country think that if you write children's books about kids using witchcraft, you too must be a witch! Or, at the very least, promoting the practice. Horrors! It's even worse when they are in high places! So much for freedom of religion.
- Helen Sventitsky
Right on Helen, guess we're free to practice whatever we want as long as it conforms to standards. This was the first I heard of O'Reilly's comment saying the outing of one of the characters is a "liberal "indoctrination" of children". Whatev.
- Jess
Gingrich: "SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!"
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Alas the US do not have the exclusivity of close minded bigotry - the only difference is that they have better media and political access. But there's not really that many more than elsewhere, probably. Elsewhere they hide more.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It took me a minute to figure out why we *would* want to give her the medal, and then I arrived at "getting a squillion kids interested in reading is a good thing" so now I approve.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I was told today that reading vampire/zombie books was bad for me. So this is definitely not shocking to hear.
- Carmen
Hmmmm...I'd be interested in knowing just how bad they are for you, Carmen. Would one get dizzy spells from all that horror drama? Would one grow fangs at the light of the moon? Would one turn into a pale imitation of Robert Pattinson, going around singing about supermassive black holes, and stuff? :D
- Helen Sventitsky
That is just crazy. I hope she turns him into a frog or something.
- Andy Roth
lol@Helen! He said people are attracted to the idea of immortality and that's a dangerous thing. I told him it's just fiction and he shook his head and said that one day I will notice how they "affect" me. He was so consumed with a lot of (incorrect) assumptions about me (and other people) that he couldn't stop interrupting my obvious attempt at ignoring him and reading my book. Ugh.
- Carmen
Nevermind the fact that no one WANTS the type of immortality afforded to zombies. LOL
- Chieze Okoye
My new job will be to test this game: http://www.totalwar.com/
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In particular this game: http://www.sega.co.uk/games... - Napoleon: Total War - and specifically it will be more the tools to build the game and less of the game itself.
- Kol Tregaskes
dude I love the total war series! congrats man.
- Alan Le
I used to be a tester back in '95 or '96 so I'm basically going back to my roots and starting again. But the idea is to progress further and to have a more stable job. Contracting is too insecure atm. Though the money is nice the work is sparse. So I've dropped to a tester for now.
- Kol Tregaskes
Grats dude. The last tester I knew said they quoted Grandma's Boy at each other all the time. http://www.imdb.com/title... Based on the trailer I'd figured it would be hamhanded and irritating but apparently not.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
But I'm back doing what I like or at least in an industry I love so hopefully I can build this thing called a 'career'. For now I start in 2 weeks and will be at the new job till at least the middle of January.
- Kol Tregaskes
Alan, I'll be asking for your feedback then. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Daniel, LOL. I've seen that movie, not great.
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats. Just don't start singing 'So this is total war, girl' by the wonderful Comsat Angels. That might irritate your new colleagues after a while - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Andy C
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
such a hard mission. must be tiring =)
- siniradam
Very. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So jealous - love the Total War franchise.
- Sean O'Brien
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
THAT LOOKS AWESOME! Is there an Xbox360 version in the wings? I have never seen this game before so excuse me if I sound silly.
- Travis Koger
Travis, I couldn't possibly say. ;-) The Total War games have won many awards and are all triple A titles, so pretty good games. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Sounds good!
- Travis Koger
jealous
- andy brudtkuhl
My first testing job involved testing games. During the interview the boss said" You will have to play Doom all day - but not look like you are enjoying it." I've been a tester ever since.
- Andy Roth
haha in the future i will directly complain to you :)
- Chris Hofmann
QA can be a very rewarding if you get the right game... FTW!
- Graham Sergeant
I think Total War is the right game... with the right company. :-) There is high quality throughout the company, including the QA department, so a little scary as well as exciting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Andy, who did you work for when you were testing Doom?
- Kol Tregaskes
What a great job! Are they hiring???? I would love to test games :)
- ChaCha Fance
All spaces taken up for now. :-) Game testing is very rewarding. It's changed a lot since I was last a tester, it's very organised and you are given a specific part of the game to test (over and over and over) with specific tasks and deadlines. All sounds good though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats!
- Fossil Huntress
Thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ahh, I want a job like this! :P
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
I have always wondered how it would be to work in game development and testing. This is really cool Kol. I've already congratulated you before, but once again, congrats! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
It probably has its own difficulties, but hey, playing games at work, that's the dream :)
- Halit Okumus
Thanks guys. I don't think I'll touch the game itself much, not for my job anyway. I'll be playing it in my leisure time though. I'll be more a IT support tester from what I've been told. I'll find out more on the 5th. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
What one thing, if anything, would you add or change about your iPhone 3G?
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Note: We are interested in feedback specific to the iPhone hardware, not issues related to the wireless service provider/operator, data plans, tariffs, etc.
- Christopher Harley
CHECKMATE: APPLE
- Christopher Harley
I'd add a physical keyboard
- Alex Scoble
I'll note that as my suggestion, Alex. Good one.
- Christopher Harley
I want that augmented reality stuff that the 3GS can do. I don't know what category that falls in, because I don't know why the 3GS can do it and the 3G can't.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
That makes sense to me, Jandy.
- Christopher Harley
Orientation in Google maps.
- Jon Anderson
How so, Jon?
- Christopher Harley
Jandy: The 3G doesn't have a magnetometer, unlike the 3GS and most all Android devices.
- Christopher A Carr
The map being oriented to the direction you're facing. But I'm guessing that's a hardware issue?
- Jon Anderson
That's in 3GS, Jon. Am I right?
- Christopher Harley
Jon: Again, think that's the lack of a magnetometer issue, and the reason that the 3G can't do something like Android's Google streetview "compass mode." Also the reason why there's no Google Sky Map app for the 3G.
- Christopher A Carr
...which is to say, the 3G has no way of knowing what direction it's facing.
- Christopher A Carr
So it is a hardware issue - both my thing and Jon's. Jailbreaking fixed my other issues with the 3G, but I guess there's no way around this except upgrading.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Not sure why they didn't put an autofocus camera and magnetometer in the 3G...well, "...but I guess there's no way around this except upgrading..."-- I guess I do.
- Christopher A Carr
Battery life!
- Nik
Chris, yep. Hence why I will hold out. Purely out of protest. Not at all because I has no monies. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I'd like to able to play, pause, and skip forward without using the screen or the earbud button.
- Andy Roth
I second Nik's nomination of battery life -- I'd like to see the battery user-swappable.
- Stephen Mack
You want more manual control like buttons and toggle switches, Andy?
- Christopher Harley
What I want could be done with one button. Press once to play/pause. Press twice to go to next song.
- Andy Roth
Better text messaging
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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Keep F***ing That Chicken: Ernie Anastos, News Anchor, Curses On Air (VIDEO) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
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"Legendary New York broadcaster Ernie Anastos had a momentary lapse of reason Wednesday night when he dropped the F-bomb live on TV. During some playful banter with local weatherman Nick Gregory, Anastos complimented Gregory, or at least attempted to, by saying, "It takes a tough man to make a tender forecast, Nick." Looking confused, Gregory responded, "I guess that's me." Without missing a beat, Anastos continued, "Keep f***ing that chicken," a completely bewildering phrase that made co-anchor Dari Alexander's eyes bug out of her head. Gregory, for his part, just threw his hands up and shook his head."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
That meme should last a few days.
- Greg Guitarbuster
I think I've found my new catch all phrase.
- Thomas Hawk
Hot Donkey!
- Andy Roth
The sound quality was kinda iffy, so from what I heard he could just as well have said "Keep plucking that chicken!" (Which makes a smidgen more sense, though still a non sequitur, to be sure.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Oh Mark...please! *roflmao!!!* That word you heard was NOT "plucking"...
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Her crazy eyes is what makes it for me.
- Derrick
Haha the expression on her face is priceless
- Rodfather
Yeah, her eyes & facial expression tell the whole story. People trying to insist that he said "plucking" don't seem to realize that it wasn't the Banjo Wars (though the folks they cater to seem to come out of Deliverance, sweartagawd) - ...nope, he dropped the F-bomb. *snorts with laughter*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Forgive my ignorance but is this for real? I never know with Huffington Press, I always assume its something like The Onion.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Her reaction was priceless - fry dat chicken - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jeunelle Foster
@Prose, seriously, I'm not trying to be an apologist for the guy, but all my 50+ ears heard was "??ucking"... so I'm offering him the benefit of the doubt. Now let me get back to my canasta!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
then he's all "OK, I'll do that."
- Josh Haley
I don't think "plucking" would give Dari Alexander an expression like that. I guess it's time for more fines from the FCC.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I am most interested to know what a "tender forecast" is...
- Nicholas Kreidberg
@John... that's a key point.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Aqua hydrants here. What color are yours? - http://kamilah.posterous.com/aqua-hy...
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Yellow, I think.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Depends on the zoning ordinances. Most of our hydrants are red, yellow and grey (they look like vent stacks). I've seen green, orange and striped one in other areas of LA County.
- Admiral Anika
Red
- Michelle Martinez
Is that hydrant in the middle of a field?
- Admiral Anika
lol
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
at this time, they are Red here... the town paints them different colors every other year.
- Harold
Yep, it's in the middle of a field. I'm having a slow day today...
- Kamilah Gill
Last year they were painted yellow. Before that, they were also yellow. Here is shot of my daughter doing her impression of one: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Andy Roth
Red with white knob-ends.
- Dave Roth
That's cute, Andy
- Kamilah Gill
I'm going on an Alaskan cruise in a couple of weeks, and want to rent a lens to play with while I'm there. I've never been, so I don't have a feel for what kind of lens would be useful there. 300mm? 500mm? Super wide?
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I am doing an Alaskan cruise next summer, and have the same question. I'm thinking of getting 300mm because my current longest lens only goes to 210mm. Wide angle seems important too.
- Andy Roth
I'm thinking that perhaps the 100-400 IS L or the 300 IS L with a 2x teleconverter would be good. This is definitely going to be a rental, since I can't see myself using this kind of lens on a regular basis.
- Jeremy Brooks
I have no idea what you should rent, but sounds awesome!
- Justin Korn
While you'll be ok with a 2x on a 300 f/2.8 it's not ideal. For the better quality image you'll want to use a 1.4x teleconverter. The 100-400 is the most flexible but I've never found the quality of that lens to be that great. What are you hoping to photography? A super telephoto would be ideal for birds and sea mammals but you need to keep in mind your subject of choice and then go from there. The zooms clearly will give you more flexibility
- Jim Goldstein
Hey Jeremy - I used a 50 - 500 sigma (I think I got lucky because the one I have is super sharp) with a decent tripod while we were going down the passages, a 50mm 1.4 for inside and a 18-135 for cruising around. Have a blast... Here's a link of the trip: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Randy Carranza
I'm leaning toward the 300mm f/2.8L IS USM next summer when I go on an Alaskan cruise. Be sure you post back here, Jeremy, so we know what to do. Have a great trip.
- Dave Roth
Thanks for all the feedback. I rented the 300 f/4L IS. It was a good compromise between long reach and affordability. I'll post back here with the results.
- Jeremy Brooks
I would rent the 300, it is a far superior lens to the 100-400. I'd also bring a 1.4x tele-extender to go with the 300. The 2x extender is not nearly as good as the 1.4x
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm back from Alaska, and the 300mm f/4L was a good choice. Any longer, and the field of view would have been too small for much of what I managed to capture with the 300. My widest lens was the 50mm f/1.4, and it was too long. There were times that I wanted a much wider lens.
- Jeremy Brooks
Here's an example of what I was able to do with the 300 (this has been cropped): http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Jeremy Brooks
New Penn State @Fathead is up! http://yfrog.com/16mazj
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Is Zooomr dead? It seems there is not much life left in the old dog. Zipline is very quiet. The blog hasn't been updated since January. Help forums aren't being moderated or even responded to. It just seems, well, over. I'm interested to know what people know. Am I wasting my time uploading to Zooomr nowadays?
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I've not been by there very much lately. As great as the community is, as well as the photography, the site has been so slow for me over the past year or so that I find it unusable. It is a shame too.
- Andy Roth
I have no complaints about the usability, and I second Andy's thoughts on the community, but it does seem like Kristopher has lost interest. It's a shame really, for Zooomr never pulled the kind of censorship/deletions that Flickr is currently catching a lot of heat for.
- Dave Roth
yep Zooomr's move to Japan killed it as Kris is distracted; and it feels like TH is too busy Flickr bashing to push Kris into making zooomr compete
- Phill Price
I have to say that a great number of my contacts on Flickr and Friend Feed were originally Zooomr contacts of mine. When things were working well, Zooomr was a really fun, exciting place to hang out, and really accelerated my interest in photography. Flickr doesn't do that for me at all.
- Dave Roth
Agreed with everyone here about the community. I remember waiting for the updates to the site with TH and Kristopher on Zooomr TV. Sadly I haven't used the site in ages myself.
- Brian Sloane
Those were good times waiting for the next big update to roll out. Except for the times when the next big update took the site down for a month.
- Andy Roth
thomashawk would be a good one to ask ...
- johnpiercy
I think I'm going to stop uploading. I do get the occasional fave, but I'm not putting the effort in I should either. I like Ipernity, so I may put my efforts in there.
- Chris Nixon
I don't think we'll get an answer from TH, and to be fair, he's probably not in a position to comment freely.
- Chris Nixon
I think you are right, Dave. The community has kind of been lost. It would be nice to have a re-union somewhere on the web to catch up and see how all the old crew are doing, and what they are up to now.
- Chris Nixon
Been asking this question in my head for a long time. TH hasn't posted anything to the Zipline in over a year and Kris is too busy working on his next "big thing". If only there was some transparency. According to Alexa, traffic is down from a year ago and Compete looks just as bad. My guess is that Kris' new sites are what is keeping Zooomr alive because they probably run on its underlying framework.
- dbcohen
For a while it seemed that they were going in the direction of mobile photo sharing, then they just seemed to miss the boat as other sites came along and overtook.
- Chris Nixon
I made the decision to stop posting photo's to Zooomr about 2 months ago as I decided to concentrate my efforts to a more limited number of sites and unfortunately Zooomr was the first to go. I'm now focussing on my sites including SmugMug and using flickr to share with family.
- Russell G
When I get a chance I'll stick a shart up with my fave and comment rates for flickr, ipernity and zooomr (can only get view details from ipernity sadly)
- Phill Price
http://ff.im/78ydy <-- my data around is zooomr dead from a comment / fave standpoint
- Phill Price
I agree that support and communication from Kris and his staff has been sorely lacking. I believe in Zooomr and those that frequent it enough to continue to support it. I find it counter to the principles and participants of the site to abandon it when things appear to be lacking, just to go join anther faceless site. If you believe in it, you should support it. That's what will make it better. Leaving is just a cop out.
- Skip Moore
BTW, I believe much of this discussion should be on Zipline, out in the open, for all to see.
- Skip Moore
I'm just glad people are discussing Zooomr again. It's still a good place.
- Dave Roth
Skip: It's not that I don't support it...it's that I don't think they support it any more. If the founder and staff aren't active. What is the point?
- Chris Nixon
Ever since Kristopher moved to Japan, there have been no significant updates to the Zooomr web site and very few comments or communication from Kris. Whatever Kris has been working on seems to to be much more important to him than maintaining Zooomr. He seems to have all but abandoned the Zooomr web site. I have not heard much about his Mobile activities in the last year or so either. Sad really, Zooomr had a great community when Kris was actively developing and participating in it.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm still posting on Zooomr and get more traffic/faves on my photos there than I do on Flickr, but that's probably because I have more contacts and longer history there. There needs to be a perception that Zooomr will be maintained and updated, that clearly isn't happening now. And there needs to be actual updates. I sincerely hope Zooomr isn't dead. If Kris has moved on, maybe someone else can step up and take it over.
- Gary H
I agree with Gary. I get far more traffic/faves on Zooomr than Flickr. The community may be small on Zooomr, but we are very supportive of each other. I would hate to see it end.
- Celine Chamberlin
I used to use it, but got busy and stopped, I did seem to get more activity there than flickr... Recently thought about setting up a little script to email something to zooomr like I'm doing on flickr, but could not find out how...
- Grant Bierman
I still upload to Zooomr but I do feel like it kinda died. It would had been a nice free competitor or a free version of Flickr if only they kept working on it.
- Outsanity
Everyone, thank-you for your continued thoughts and comments in regard to Zooomr. I know that I haven't been doing a very great job at keeping everyone up to speed on the latest and greatest, but the Zooomr Japan team and I have been working in silence on something that we want to share with everyone before the end of the year. I really feel that the direction that Zooomr will take in...
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- Kristopher Tate
Thanks for the update Kris, I look forward to seeing what's coming.
- Grant Bierman
Cheers for the update Kris. Much appreciated.
- Chris Nixon
Thank you, Kristopher. I really appreciate the update. Keep it up. :)
- Celine Chamberlin
Thanks, Kris. It's good to hear from you again.
- Dave Roth
I love how Kris pops his head out when public mention of his neglect for Zooomr come out, it's like clockwork. Months of silence in the help groups and support emails, then one public outcry and he's right there. While he's here, maybe Kristopher would like to talk about the money that was invested in Zooomr from both investors and members, and where that money went when Kris up and...
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- Mr350Z
I update my zooomr http://www.zooomr.com/photos... photos regularly as with my other photos sites, that API feed also goes to my photos for sale at http://www.clustershot.com/richard...
- Richard Lazzara
Good to hear from you, Kris. Thanks for the update. Color me hopeful.
- Andy Roth
TH's take on where Zooomr stands... "It's sort of running on autopilot at this point -- I do hope that Kristopher does something interesting with it in the future, but for a while I've been pretty disconnected from it all and certainly am not doing any sort of CEO duties at this point. " http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mr350Z
I love how comments are "adjusted" after the fact, in order to counter later comments...amazing.
- Mr350Z
As far as I'm concerned it was dead long, long ago. EDIT - this also explains why TH has so much time to devote to Flickr bashing.
- cecily
Cecily, Zooomr isn't dead. It does have its issues, but I'll take that over the censorship issues Flickr has. As for TH, he said he left Zooomr because he and Kristopher had different ideas on which direction to take things.
- Celine Chamberlin
Censorship, schmensorship. When are people going to learn that unless you're hosting your own photos on your own server that you have to play by the site owner's rules - even if those rules seem totally arbitrary?
- cecily
Cecily, if I pay for an account at a site (and I am a paid Flickr user), I expect to at least be warned before permanent action is taken... especially givven how often Flickr is proven wrong and all they can offer is an "oops, my bad" while the user is screwed. Paying for an account should offer at least some rights for the user.
- Celine Chamberlin
Passenger who was naked on a plane charged - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
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An Oakland man has been charged in federal court with a felony for allegedly exposing himself to his female seatmate on board a Southwest Airlines flight, punching her when she screamed and then stripping naked as flight attendants and passengers subdued him. Darius Chappill, 21, was charged in U.S. District Court in Oakland with interference with a flight crew. He was being held without bail at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin. The incident happened Thursday aboard a St. Louis-bound Southwest flight about a half hour after it left Oakland. Chappill was sitting near the back of the Boeing 737 in a center seat. Sitting next to him in the window seat was a woman whom he did not know.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
See, and some people complain about screaming babies on planes. Could be so much worse!
- Stephen Mack
While the incident is not funny, Stephen's comment is.
- Anne Bouey
I thought Southwest didn't charge you for stuff. Oh wait, it was the federal court that charged him.
- Andy Roth
Craziness.
- Thomas Hawk
Just wait til someone tries to attack someone on a plane with his underwear, then you'll have to fly naked... Look at that shoe bs and do-not-take-water-through-security that's still going on. The latter is probably still active because of the shops in the security zone that are selling overpriced cokes...
- Holger Eilhard
If someone figures out how to turn boarding passes and federal IDs into a weapon, the TSA's heads will implode.
- Stephen Mack
LOLOL @ the last 2 comments
- LANjackal
Stephen: you could probably sharpen one side of the boarding pass... Paper cuts can be a bitch ;-)
- Holger Eilhard
Xbox 360 Pro and Elite price cuts confirmed - http://technologyviewer.com/post...
Now I'm even more torn if I should get my old PS3 fixed for $150, buy a new PS3 Slim, or jump ship and go the 360. If only the 360 had blu-ray, it would be an easy decision.
- Andy Roth
TODAY'S WTH? - Nealz Nuze on boortz.com - http://boortz.com/nealz_n...
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"Photographer saw this kid walking, so it wasn't that she is disabled. Click through the picture to see photographer's notes. You will need a Flickr account to view though."
- Dave Roth
from Bookmarklet
The WAL-E comments were spot on. I feel bad for the kid.
- Andy Roth
Robert is anyone not bringing their Tweets into Facebook? It makes Facebook more boring than it should be.
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Nope, not currently sending tweets into FB. But thinking about it.
- Kevin Whalen
Most Twitter users never tweet.
- Tim Tyler
Twitter sucks. It's novelty has peaked.
- Daniel
I don't send my tweets into facebook. Different content for a different audience
- Duane-PreppyDude
Did it for a while - but as Twitter reposted my friendfeed and Facebook had my friendfeed already, I decided it was just too noisy in there ...
- Harald Felgner
I concur with Duane.
- Tomy Thomson
i did it for a few weeks, but it was noise for the others so i gave it up
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
I use Selective Twitter as well. Otherwise, one could end up massively spamming facebook. I think facebook also has a hard limit on how many tweets per day it's willing to take from you.
- John Wang
I had my Twitter account connected to FB but I'm planning to sever that! It's more useful to have Friend Feed and twitter connected that couple I used to keep in touch with my professional and personal hobby world.
- Marco ILLESCAS
I had a few friends drop me on FB because they felt overwhelmed and didn't understand they could hide my tweets. There are a lot of excess tweets and posts going to too many accts. It takes time to send them more selectively, but I'm trying to do it more often.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I don't import. It's too big of a mess. I don't import them into FF anymore either.
- Ben Hanten
I use the Selective Twitter option to share tweets I think might be appropriate there.
- Tom Landini
Agree... tweets just crowd the facebook news stream
- Bindu Reddy
Its more interesting than those fucking retarded Quizzes. I also hate status updates from all the apps. ><
- Logan Lindquist
Not going to import my tweets from Twitter into Facebook. I keep two separate groups on each service, and am not really interested in crossing them over at present.
- Steve Farnworth
And yes I know you can ban them, as I have been, however I said before to people its near impossible because there are a Quizzillion FB quizzes.... A word I made up in my spare time hating them.
- Logan Lindquist
I block/hide anybody who puts all their tweets into Facebook. Use Selective Twitter if you want to update both statuses.
- Otto
Unless I really like you, I hide anyone who has all of their tweets coming into FB. Drives me nuts.
- Jeff "RESPRES" Turner
It's fine to hide people or their tweets, but I don't think it's necessary to drop someone as a friend on FB just because of their feeds. It's interesting, some people use FB more like LinkedIn, with the info profile being the key feature; others prioritize the "wall" and feeds more.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I don't. Tweets are for public comments. Facebook is for my friends. I very much dislike reading the same content from people on every platform.
- Amy Anuszewski
I don't.
- felix
Facebook culture demands minimal tweet noise. Use Selective Twitter or Ping.fm for specific tweets you want to share to your #fb friends. If folks want to read all of your tweets, they'll follow you on Twitter. I think this distinction in "media consumption capacity" will be a tough nut for facebook to crack. FB wants to be Twitter and FriendFeed - both are high volume media platforms....
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- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Nope, i see a whole bunch of @replys as peoples status's and it just makes less sense than their regular status updates, so i dont want to do that myself.
- Simon Wicks
Only selected tweets with the Selective Twitter.
- Jemm
yup...selective twitter rocks!
- Rohit
For months I am publishing with this flow: Twitter --> FriendFeed --> Facebook. A single input is better than three ;)
- Nicola Junior Vitto
@Nicola: Soon it will be: -> Facebook -> blackhole :P
- Jemm
@Jemm Yes, probably :(
- Nicola Junior Vitto
Yep, I had mine linked to FB for some time now.
- Louis Trapani
I've always brought my tweets into Facebook, but it works for me because my FB and Twitter followers are two different groups. I only have a handful of twitter folks that are my FB friends as well. At the same token, there are lots of posts I put on FB that are solely for that arena.
- Naomi Williams
Nope + never will. Facebook is for ex-girlfriends, pretending to be a pirate & so forth.
- goodmachine
@goodmachine That is too funny..
- Naomi Williams
I use the FF tab but that activity doesn't show up in the main stream.
- dthree
I don't.
- pea
Would make Facebook very noisy, and that interface is not built for the firehose IMO.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Nope - I use facebook to keep in touch with familiy, colleagues and old classmates.
- Nisse
i hate it when people put their tweets into facebook. all those @replies don't make sense. use tweetdeck an decide on a per-message-basis if you want to post to twitter, facebook, or both.
- flaimo
Apple and the great stealth tech social media survey - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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An interesting theory - though the cynical side of me says it is just more wishful thinking. Having been disappointed in the last several keynotes, I'm determined not to get my hopes up this time.
- Andy Roth
And you're right to think / feel that way, Andy. It's possible that Apple were working on the concept of a tablet before even the iPhone. Or that the iPhone is an off-shoot of the tablet, in a form factor that was more appropriate for a current market segment of the time (which clearly it is). BTW, I'm the author of the article.
- Wayne Smallman
Awesome!
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Was it going 88mph?
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
You beat me to what i was going to say Alan :)
- Simon Wicks
I'm pleased to say I've actually rode in one of those! Couldn't convince the girl to let me drive it though :(
- AJ Kohn
Where's the flux capacitor?
- Nick B.
ONE POINT TWENTY-ONE JIGGAWATTS?!!?!
- matthew john ernisse
Great scott!
- Andy Roth
Nick, could be upgraded with Mr. Fusion.
- Kevin Pedraja
Kevin - even with Mr. Fusion, it still needs the flux capacitor. Mr. Fusion generates the electricity, but it is the flux capacitor that makes time travel possible. </nerd>
- Andy Roth
@Andy, with a mind so sharp about a movie from the early 80s, that "close nerd" tag is meaningless ;)
- mjc
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- jcunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
Is it true Robert?
- Kevin Whalen
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- LogEx
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
:(
- Sinem Co
yes, this is fast. Reminds me of a few hours ago when I was on Freenode
- Ian Tindale
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :(((
- FFTornado
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook.
- Steven Cains
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
Wow
- Rodfather
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
This stream itself is the evidence of WHY Facebook bought FF.
- Steven Walling
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonInteractive
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
No! I am going to cry! I HATE FACEBOOK! I have a Facebook account, but FriendFeed is way better. Life is over! Apocalypse.
- Zachary TG
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- 321
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
This is bad news for Yahoo 360°. Oh wait, too late.
- Ian Tindale
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
Crap!
- Zachary TG
This is disgusting.
- Zachary TG
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- Muge Cerman
Turmoil
- Ian Tindale
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
We fear change
- Ian Tindale
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonInteractive
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats.
- Ian Tindale
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account.
- Ian Tindale
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Quickest/Biggest thread ever
- Ian Tindale
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
I'm heading back to Jaiku where it's nice and quiet
- Ian Tindale
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
What's it going to be called? Failbook?
- Ian Tindale
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
FeedFace
- Ian Tindale
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- jcunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Is Twitter going to buy Myspace?
- marcus bösch
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
That does it. I'm going back to usenet.
- Ian Tindale
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
Apple buys China
- Ian Tindale
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
It'll be called ScobleFeed
- Ian Tindale
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less.
- Matthew Blaisdell
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- jcunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- jcunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed?
- Patrik Johansson
Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections?
- Patrik Johansson
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- jcunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Anderson
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition.
- Richard Merritt
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is.
- Richard Merritt
According to WSJ — FB paid $50 million — a mix of cash and stocks. http://bit.ly/SVTA5
- Richard Merritt
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
Thinking Out Loud: Echo issues during a high profile tech show http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get.
- Liviu Barbat
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeeders' Directory, Photo Editing & Photoshop, DSLR, Photography United, Photography Tips, Tricks, and Know-How, Digial Photograph, Digital Photography
FriendFeeders either into photography or are photographers:
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Kol Tregaskes (keen amateur from the UK, wants to be pro) - http://friendfeed.com/koltreg... & http://www.squashyfrog.com (add yourself below).
- Kol Tregaskes
Håkan Dahlström, happy amateur. http://www.dahlstroms.com or http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Håkan Dahlström
Alberto, beginner amateur, http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Alberto Fernandez
Brian, retired wire, magazine and newspaper photojournalist
- Brian Hendrickson
Jez http://www.flickr.com/photos... - n00b but just got my first dSLR camera
- Jez Arnold
Andy, amateur/hobbyist http://www.flickr.com/photos... and http://picasaweb.google.com/andy...
- Andy Kruger
Phill; A daily photoblog from London - sucks in Friendfeed likes and comments (along with the same on zooomr; flickr and ipernity) http://www.phillprice.com
- Phill Price
Just bought my first DSLR 10 days ago, and I'm utterly hooked. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Phil Essing
Baard, amateur photographer, pro photo service finisher http://www.flickr.com/photos... or http://int.pixum.com
- Baard @ Pixum
Parth, hobbyist photographer, www.flickr.com/photos/vestigialconsciousness/
- Parth Awasthi
Mark, rank amateur, and, occasionally, very rank amateur - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mark H
Brome, amateur from France - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Brome
Holger Eilhard, doing some photography on the side in Cologne, Germany - http://holgr.com
- Holger Eilhard
James, keen amateur but still a beginner. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- James Myatt
el Jaime, los King de Everything: People say I should go pro, I say not, I don't want the government spying on me any more than they already do. http://tsali.fotki.com
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Rob, very amateur. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Rob Kramer
Guillaume, try to be a serious amateur : http://www.guillaumelemoine.com
- Guillaume Lemoine
Glen, still uses film, http://photos.glencampbell.name
- Mistletoe Glen
Roshan, hobbyist --> http://picasaweb.google.com/roshan...
- Roshan Ramachandran
Jason Castillo...pure amateur...but loving it and the works of the real pros. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- JA Castillo
ronin, hobbyist - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- ronin
n00b-like: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Carlos Ayala
Andy, enthusiastic amateur/hobbyist. http://www.flickr.com/photos... and http://www.roth365.com
- Andy Roth
Kevin, strictly amateur but very much an enthusiast. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Kevin Pedraja
Grant, hobbyist, http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Grant Bierman
Zach, very amateur but having lots of fun. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Zach Flauaus
Steven Perez, blurry photos. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Steven Perez
Johnny -> http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas Hawk. I am a photography factory. http://thomashawk.com
- Thomas Hawk
Nick, still learning, still having fun - http://www.flickr.com/photos... & http://www.decidedlyevil.com/gallery
- Nick
http://browneyes.aminus3.com/ just one of amateur street photosnapper in japan. for now, GRD-II, D-50, Vivicam and so on.
- browneyes
John, amateur: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Hanna, "amateur-walking-photographer" ;) : http://www.flickr.com/photos... , http://picasaweb.google.com/tamihan...
- Hanna Wiszniewska
Chris Myles Travel Photographer http://www.flickr.com/photos... http://picasaweb.google.com/SailBil.... Of course scenery is beautiful but my favorite shots are usually candid face shots of natives, usually taken with a long lens.
- Chris Myles
that looks like my friend russ
- chris
He's more camera than man.
- CannonGod
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hobbyist professional? I shoot for fun, mostly "part-time," but I do sell shots too. In Northern California, USA. http://www.kaymeephotography.com
- Chad McCoskey
Just starting out in photography. been using SLR's for about 4 weeks now.http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- chris
I don't consider myself a 'photographer', but as my profile says, I sometimes take purty pictures: http://flickr.com/photos...
- cecily
Justin Korn - late to post, but better late than never, right? -- http://www.justinkorn.com , http://flickr.com/photos...
- Justin Korn
What A Man's Favorite Beer Says About Him - http://shine.yahoo.com/channel...
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1. Bud/Bud Light—The everyman. 2. Red Stripe—The jet-setter. 3. Blue Moon—The trendy guy. 4. Corona—The partier. 5. Keystone Light/Natural Light—The college boy. 6. Pabst Blue Ribbon—The hipster
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
I'm currently drinking what The Most Interesting Man In The World drinks, Dos Equis. Usually I drink what's within arm's length. What does that say about me?
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
PBR is the beer of a hipster? Really?!? Wow.
- Ladybug Heather
@Shevonne, my wife says I'm just "a beer ho"
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
What about those who don't drink?
- Morton Fox
that makes me a partying everyman, :p
- chaz2b
lol! I love the party boys! And the jet setters too!
- Kandeezie
Erhm... Bud/Bud Light is really more of the bear those with no taste or money drink. You only drink 'Natty Light' if you don't have a tongue, I'm a college male and a member of a fraternity and we ban it from all our parties... there's cheap beer and then there's trash. If you drink Blue Moon you don't like drinking. I'm pretty sure that Heineken would be the jetset beer, as it is the only beer you can find pretty much anywhere. I'd agree that Pabst is the hipster beer though. :P
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
like Ladybug, I too am bemused that the beer my father drinks is a hipster brew. When he finds out he'll probably change brands.
- Jim Is Not Smart
I always thought that since I like grabbin' a Hiene or two said it all... :-P
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
No Guinness?
- Steven Perez
right, what about Guinness?
- Mycaptain
no kidding, leaving out Guinness invalidates the exercise.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
that said, i stopped drinking years ago. mostly cos the woman i married is allergic to alcohol. can't say i miss it all that much.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
they're about half right. and yes, PBR has become a bit of a hipster beer because it's cheap and so lowbrow / blue collar. started around the same time that those plastic trucker hats had a rebirth. plus: no stella? you can't have a list like that without stella. that's the artsy fartsy mainstream brew. filmmakers and web types.
- tiffany
Sam Adams = ?
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Anchor Steam = ?
- J.D. Deutschendorf
I just drink non alcoholic beers but time to time if I want to get one, that would be Guinness for sure.
- Mycaptain
absolutely nothing.
- veo
Guinness is ale, not beer, so of course it wouldn't make the list. :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Ladybug! Don't make me come over there!
- Jim Is Not Smart
Those are all watered-down/lowbrow/commercial beers and they taste like crap. Examples of good beers are: Guinness, Full Sail (and other micros)l, Hefeweizen, and any number of Trappist & Abbey beers from Belgium.
- Cristo
They lost me when they said " Bud Light is the beer for guys who like beer." As if.
- Andy Roth
I usually ask for Guinness, but I don't know too much about beer.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Heather, "Ale is a type of beer brewed from malted barley using a top-fermenting brewers' yeast." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Cristo
What if I don't drink?? Can I still be a man??
- Andru Edwards
That makes you more of a man, Andru. :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Schalfly has some great beer if its available in your area. http://www.schlafly.com/beers...
- Ryan
Actually, Guinness is a STOUT, not an Ale. Bass is an Ale. Wonder what ordering Stella Artois says about you.
- Justin Whitaker
beer, ale, lager... Guinness is a "stout." Also a stout, not as famous: "Beamish"
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Justin beat me to it. Owe him a Beamish :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I believe a stout is just a type of ale, but I'm not an expert. The main types of beers are divided into lagers and ales. Look under Porter in the wikipedia article I posted in my earlier comment.
- Cristo
When did PBR become hip? *cackle* American mass production pilseners should all be one category of "have not yet tasted beer".
- Michael W. May
Great read! Thanks!
- Carlton Hackett
I do love Blue Moon. So does that make me a trendy girl :) It's so refreshing and delicious with that slice of orange.
- Anna Lynn M.
I'm really hoping that PBR being hip is ironic.
- Justin Whitaker
Firefly: Disc 4 - http://www.netflix.com/Movie...
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I'm trying to talk Andy into watching this. I'm sure he'd love it.
- Dave Roth
I started to get into it last summer but put for some reason stopped watching about 1/4 through. I enjoyed it though so I'm going to go back and watch it all from the start.
- Fraser
I also think @duckbrown would enjoy this
- Fraser
Once I get through rewatching Sports Night, Firefly is next up on my exercise queue.
- Andy Roth
Are you going to pay $219 for Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series [Blu-ray]? - http://www.amazon.com/gp...
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and list price was $349?
- Josh Haley
Nope.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I agree Stargate rocks, however, I would *NEVER* call BSG crappy
- Ryan
Hey now, I love the show...but...I already have seen it. Not sure if it would make sense to buy this especially brand new. Wait a couple of years and it will not only be much cheaper, but perhaps interest will be rekindled for those of us who have seen the series.
- Josh Haley
nope and most wont. furthermore, there were way too many filler episodes and yes, i will go there, the last episode was one of the worst endings in scifi history. i really wanted to love this series and many times i did. some of the episodes from this series contained some of the best sci-fi scenes to ever be put on tv and would rival some of the best scenes from some feature...
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- Carlos Ayala
Not unless it comes with a 6.
- Andy Roth
Oooh, what if HBO did the series? That would have been very interesting, indeed. But they would still have said "Frak!" ;)
- Josh Haley
Box sets are sooo 2001. Nope. Cosign Carlos... Ron Moore was BSing his way through the show. I still love it though.
- Adrian
++Andy. Or Boomer or Starbuck. Dayum.
- Josh Haley
Only if you buy me a Blue Ray Player.
- Brent - Loving Life
Apparently, I'm paying $209, now. When I first pre-ordered, it was still $249.
- Stolee
Saving up for a really nice camera... this will have to wait. Maybe Christmas?
- Ryan Massie
No Blu-Ray here... I just finished buying Season 4.5 for DVD, though, so I already have the entire series on DVD now.
- Mark Dykeman
In London I paid £ 39 for the complete series in DVD except 4.5 season, last May
- mario ℒ maroi
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These are shots I took during the Worldwide Photowalk. Any input on which I should submit?
- Andy Roth
I like the shiny one.
- Dave Roth
Many Days?
- Andy Roth
Well, today at least.
- Dave Roth
I like the man on the bench best.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thanks all. I found out I could submit 2, so I went with "Many Days" and "Small Worlds". If I could do 3 I would have also done "Waiting"
- Andy Roth
The 2nd Annual Scott Kelby NAPP Adobe Worldwide Photowalk - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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I had a great time this afternoon hanging out with my Pal Tom Hogarty, Product Manager for Adobe Lightroom, on the 2nd Annual Scott Kelby NAPP Worldwide Photowalk in San Francisco. Tom led a great two hour walk around the Adobe’s San Francisco offices which included lots of modern architecture, old cars, graffiti, and some really cool warehouse grit that you find around Townsend Street there.
- Thomas Hawk
Love the photo, I should have come out.
- Robert Scoble
Love the angle and framing on this! I enjoyed leading our group up here in Edmonton, Alberta. Was an excellent event!
- pixelens photography
Love that shot
- Robert Burgin
Apparently there were 900 of these photowalks today all over the world. Very cool indeed. I was super happy with the shots that I got. I put together a set of 50 of my shots from this afternoon here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Dang? How do I fail to find out about these until after they happen!?
- Bill Sanders
from iPhone
Over 30,000 people participated worldwide. http://worldwidephotowalk.com/locatio...
- Robert Kenney
Thomas, it was great seeing you again and catching up. BEAUTIFUL PHOTOS !!!
- Ziv Gillat
very. very. good.
- Danijel Šivinjski
Cool photo, love it.
- Zachary TG
I did the photowalk in my town (Frederick, MD) and had a lot of fun. I was surprised how many other photo-geeks there are in this area. I'm grateful to Kelby et al for organizing this, though I was a bit off-put by the corporate/marketing slant they put to it.
- Andy Roth
http://twitpic.com/axdar - Ghostbusters! (via @Fraser) Me: Yessss! Great find!
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In the Holy Land (State College). http://yfrog.com/0erp2jnvj
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I expect to see from you many more scavenger hunt-style photos from around State College Pennsylvania in the near future. Twoosh!
- Dave Roth
I know this place! Lived in State College for a few years. Mmmm....
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sadly though, the place is for sale.
- Andy Roth
students will be picketing two [edit: 3, not 2] of our local representatives tomorrow over the firing of Myra Forrest. These reps have already said that they really can't do anything about the situation but that they thought the board should rescind their decision!
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I do not think their demonstration will change the outcome of this sad situation but I applaud and fully support the students' refusal to let this go! I will not be letting it go either.
- Jim Is Not Smart
What can the representatives do? From what I've read, what the school board did, while reprehensible, was not illegal. (And in watching the YouTube videos, I still cannot stand the board members' accents.)
- Dave Roth
I agree totally, Dave. They've said they can't do anything, and I'm sure if they could have, it would have been done already. But I also admire the students for bringing the fight. It's good for them... and it's good for us (apethetic, voting) adults, whose fault this really is, to see it too.
- Jim Is Not Smart
So, wait - the students are picketing people that already support them, but don't have authority to intervene?
- Jennifer Dittrich
yep.
- Jim Is Not Smart
I think it is good for them to be involved (one heck of a civics education), but I'm thinking that picketing the school board members' houses might have a bit more impact.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I was part of those "demonstrations" in '88, and though they may have had little to do with ending the strike, it did make us feel like we were doing what we could and being involved. Hopefully the same will be true for these students.
- Andy Roth
It's a good point, Jennifer. I've got a few things in mind myself regarding taking the fight to the board members. The students may not have thought it through, but I'm sure they will. They're no dummies. At the very least, the legislators will know that the kids themselves are pushing the movement forward... perhaps that will help them think of some things they CAN do.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Andy, well said.
- Jim Is Not Smart
here's the link the cause announcement on facebook. http://apps.facebook.com/causes...
- Jim Is Not Smart
I can't get the link to work. :(
- Laura Lou Who
it works for me.. it must have something to do with facebook being teh suck.
- Jim Is Not Smart
I was able to get in when I searched for it. Go figure. Anyway, I joined. :)
- Laura Lou Who
The Blu-Ray player we've been waiting for is almost here! OPPO BDP-83 Blu-ray Disc Player
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THIS is a best of breed product. And it will only cost you $600.
- Alex Scoble
you didn't have a BetaMax picture?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
/me gives Chris the stink-eye
- Alex Scoble
or 8-track player, maybe? heh. :-P
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Honestly, tho, this is top-shelf for what it is. You are right on that!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I just need to know how quickly it loads discs, my Sony is painfully slow.
- Jamie Ginsberg
Any word on price?
- Andy Roth
$$$?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I can get it for $500. If you didn't sign up for the interest list early on you pay the regular $600.
- Alex Scoble
Jason. PS3 is garbage compared to this. Don't make me hunt you down.
- Alex Scoble
It's likely, "If you have to ask how much it is..."
- Kenton
Alex, are those new 500 gig holographic discs going to do anything to Blu-ray now, or is that more of a very long term future thing?
- Mike Reynolds
Tagged this in delicious for future use
- Mike Reynolds
I have no idea, Mike. I honestly don't know that media will last more than another 10-15 years on the whole. If most people aren't doing digital downloads by then, there's something wrong with the system.
- Alex Scoble
How can you know this is a best of breed product when it's not even out yet? Yesterday you were bashing people who give in to marketing hype...
- Kevin Fox
I've been following it for over a year, Kevin. I've read reviews of one of the beta testers. It does things that no other BR player will do. It's Oppo. Oppo kicks ass. Want me to say more? I'm frothing at the bit to buy one. Want me to say more? HYPE! I HAZ IT!
- Alex Scoble
99% of people won't see any difference between this and the PS3. PS3 costs less and also plays games (and does some media serving, etc.) What quality of TV is required to make this a must-have relative to a device that someone may already have?
- LogEx
Kevin, you're my new hero.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yup, fanboism.
- LogEx
"True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-83 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output as 1080p 24Hz."
- Mike Reynolds
And two USB ports!
- Mike Reynolds
Engadget had a nice hands on review of this and the comments made similar comparisons to the PS3. The differences line in the bitstream audio support and some of the more "high end" features that the PS3 lacks.
- Kevin Kuphal
Robert has hijacked Alex's account, hasn't he?
- John Craft
Hmmm. PS3 has 1080p24 and 4 (I think) USB ports.
- LogEx
My PS3 has four USB ports. (And my TiVo has two!)
- Kevin Fox
How shall I start? The PS3 is a horrible upscaling DVD player. This has the best upsampling solution on the market (Anchor Bay FTW). The PS3 doesn't play SACD. The PS3 doesn't output multichannel analog (for those who have a receiver/preamp with multichannel analog in but not HDMI 1.3. I could keep going, but I won't. This totally kicks the PS3's ass for BR duty.
- Alex Scoble
What he said.
- Mike Reynolds
And the difference is that I'm hyped about a product that deserves the hype. It's TRULY best of breed, get it? This isn't fanboi-ism. This BR player does things that NO OTHER player does in one integrated high quality package.
- Alex Scoble
Seriously, I'm sure its spec sheet is out of this world, but I'm looking forward to reading the reports of unbiased reviewers with production hardware before I judge whether it's worth the high price. I'm not saying it's not a best of breed product, but I look forward to actually finding out.
- Kevin Fox
This is a great player, I've followed it for months myself. I'll keep my freebie Denon for awhile and probably wait for nextgen Oppo, but this was one hardware device I've been drooling over for my home theatre.
- jcunwired
But again, the critical question... What quality of TV is required for the 99% to make this a must-have relative to a device that someone may already have (or one that costs less)?
- LogEx
++LE the playback device is always the critical factor. Neil Young makes a rather impassioned argument about this for the audio side of the world.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
LE, you are beginning to annoy me. The big difference on this transport vs the PS3 is in the audio codecs that it can handle. So what TV you have doesn't matter...and you'll be able to tell the difference between this transport and the PS3 when playing a DVD on any 1080P TV. But the big difference is when you have a real home theater with a receiver/preamp that is capable of receiving the multichannel inputs from this beast.
- Alex Scoble
LE, there are two types of people when classifying gadgets (especially HT) - those that want the best there is given their budgets, and all the rest. :) Given that, its either a must-have or not.
- jcunwired
Alex, looking forward to your advice when I'm ready to setup the theater room. We break ground on the new home tomorrow - but won't be ready for the home theater for perhaps 1-2 years.
- Mike Reynolds
Coolness!
- Alex Scoble
Sorry but I think I will stick with my ps3.
- tojfs7931
Good luck with that.
- Alex Scoble
Oh my wow, that is a BEAUTY.
- Mona Nomura
I always wondered how much different blu ray is to dvd, but I have not taken much time to look into it. What is the actual difference between the two?
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
oppo？
- junrxu
$600?! To view a media format that only has MAYBE 3 more years? Do you have any clue how many handjobs down at the warf that will take?
- Matthew DeVries
Blu-Ray is 4 times the resolution of DVD and also allows for lossless multichannel audio encoding/decoding.
- Alex Scoble
You are smoking crack if you think BR will only be around for 3 years. And it also plays DVDs and SACDs. And plenty of people are buying the PS3, which is inferior in just about every way just for the BR capabilities and it's $500.
- Alex Scoble
Except, I can play PS3 and PS2 and PSX games on the PS3.
- xero
Except, xero, most people that I know that bought the PS3 bought it to play Blu-Ray and not for games and couldn't care less about games anyhow.
- Alex Scoble
smoking crack, paying attention to the field. to-may-to to-mah-to.
- Matthew DeVries
When you see studios seriously going to some other format, Matthew, let me know and I'll eat crow.
- Alex Scoble
Hulu, Netflix Instant watch, etc
- Matthew DeVries
To whet your appetite, felix: http://www.prillaman.net/oppobdp...
- Alex Scoble
Ray, the medium itself is more than 5x the storage capacity. Image quality is 480 interlaced lines of vertical resolution for DVD vs. 1080 progressive for blu-ray. Blu-ray will blow your mind in comparison.
- jcunwired
Matthew, we are seriously 5 to 10 years out from being able to deliver blu-ray quality content on the internet in any meaningful way. Netflix Instant isn't even DVD quality right now.
- Alex Scoble
And like I said, when you learn of a studio switching way from Blu-Ray, let me know.
- Alex Scoble
Actually, jc, DVD is 480p.
- Alex Scoble
Blu-ray's not going anywhere. There MAY be an increase in resolution in the next few years, but its going to be a long way off. Not everybody has the available bandwidth to download 1080p content, so the physical medium will be around for a long time.
- jcunwired
If you don't care about quality, we shouldn't even be having a discussion. Be happy with You Tube and illegal downloads where you can hear people munching popcorn.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
ok, 5 years. That's a whole lot of handjobs for only 5 years of use, and a repurchase of all that media. I'll wait.
- Matthew DeVries
Not original DVD Alex :)
- jcunwired
And what you all are saying runs counter to what gdgt, engadget, and all the other podcasts say. Microsoft wouldn't have surrendered HD-DVD if they thought there was a future in physical media.
- Matthew DeVries
They backed HD-DVD because it used the Microsoft Codec. Money is in who controls the license royalties.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
They would have loved for HD-DVD to survive.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
LOL, Matthew. Microsoft couldn't keep HD-DVD going without content. And don't bet on BR being the last media based format either. If they come out with a 2160P spec or 4320P spec, it will again out pace any internet based delivery system.
- Alex Scoble
PS3 doesn't have 'True 24p' ? Can the OPPO play AVCHD from SDHC cards directly? That's all I really care about.
- Rodfather
Since it doesn't have an SDHC card reader built in, it can't do it directly. It does however, have USB inputs for hooking up USB storage devices. Still not sure if it can handle that format.
- Alex Scoble
With technology advances in blu-ray pushing more and more layers (up to 200gb if I recall), even at 4320p a full length movie with 7.1 sound will still fit on a blu-ray disk. It ain't going away anytime soon.
- jcunwired
Sorry, it will play that format. So perhaps using a SDHC USB reader?
- Alex Scoble
I assume it support AVCHD through burned DVD's and Blu-Ray, but I would like direct playback from SDHC cards.. since well, camcorders record to SDHC cards.
- Rodfather
Looking at the spec sheet, it says it can play video video through USB, so I guess it works?
- Rodfather
Even if it kicks the PS3's ass, the price point is way too high. While they may not buy the PS3 to play games, the fact is is that it can play games and do a crapload of stuff that this can't. The tradeoff being better upscaling? Not sure that's worth the $200 & no added functionality premium. Does it do Netflix?
- John Rubier
You're all missing the point. This isn't a consumer device. This is another device that a -phile buys to prove how much better their system is than yours. Same people that spend hundreds and thousands on speakers and other stuff that the average person can't tell the difference using.
- Kevin Kuphal
To call the Oppo a super high end product is not correct. Their specialty is bringing quality for an affordable price. I don't understand how you can say all speakers are the same. Really?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
They're not the same, but in my environment - and I imagine many other people's - spending extra cash on them (like most other devices of this nature), is just throwing it away compared to affordable alternatives.
- Kevin Kuphal
$600 is not an affordable price for something to watch movies with. After a certain point, for the majority of one's listening, speakers are indistinguishable. Perceived speaker quality for most people is logarithmic. Most can tell the diff between a $20 one and a $70, a few less the $70 and $150 one, and almost nobody can tell the diff between the $150 and the $600 one. The same is...
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- xero
Kevin, I won't argue the point with you, but you're way wrong. Those passionate about their gear research and compare, and there really is a difference. People don't buy better gear to look down their noses at others, people do so because quality is important. Live with it or not, but you can move along to a thread where you can carry on a quality conversation. :)
- jcunwired
Considering the Denon flagship Blu-ray player is $3800, yes, this is affordable. Where are you finding a name brand $150 Blu Ray profile 2.0 player? If you want to talk DVD's are the same, let's not talk.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Still with the physical media? Meh.
- Chrimmus Tad
Tad, just like everything I get excited about, it won't be ready for a while.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Is the movie different with 2.0 vs 1.0? Didn't think so...
- Kevin Kuphal
Eric, don't mind Tad. He'd rather have the compromised quality of modern digital media than better quality delivered on physical media.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'll wait for a portable 1080p Blu-Ray player. If portable and 1080p is even possible. A PS3 should be good enough for me today, but, I'm still putting it off.
- Rodfather
JC. I'm just not convinced that a $600 player or $1000 speakers can increase my enjoyment to a level worth the extra money. I do the same, research, buy quality components, but there's quality, and then there's levels of detail that, to me, don't really matter for my level of enjoyment.
- Kevin Kuphal
Akiva is right, actually. I don't mind a lower quality video in exchange for not having to own yet another meatspace object. In due time I'll end up with the same quality as what you guys have now with less clutter. I suppose I'd care if I had a big TV and awesome audio system.
- Chrimmus Tad
Rod, it's fine. I have the Sony BDP-S300 player and won't be upgrading anytime soon. We can't always be on the upgrade cycle. I prefer dedicated players for video. Too much noise from game systems for me.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Tad, yeah; that's the big difference right there: when you have a 40+ inch 1080/24p flat panel LCD with 5.1 surround sound and blah blah blah, digital media just doesn't cut it on any movie you care about the presentation of.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Tad, I love downloads, but the compromise is too much for a big motion picture experience. I use NetFlix streaming, but only for one off stuff and TV shows.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Those prices were for speakers, not Blu-Ray players. And it's not a matter of comparison to other high end equipment, it's a matter of comparison to what the average consumer is willing to spend. Yeah, it's a great deal if you were considering the obtusely expensive one. I also wasn't talking about the diff between DVD and Blu-Ray. Anyone can see that difference. I was talking about the diff between 1080p on PlayerA and PlayerB or upscaling one's favorite movie on PlayerA and PlayerB.
- xero
Unless you ripped a Blu-Ray movie to MKV and put it on a HD ;)
- Rodfather
Kevin, acknowledged. Thats a lot nicer way of putting it, thanks :)
- jcunwired
We used to have a huge DVD library, but eventually we realized that almost ALL of it was one off stuff that we never watched again. We've never had a decent home theatre room and there's just too many other things we'd rather spend money on. Eventually I'll be watching 1080p movies while you guys are watching full motion 25MP video or something.
- Chrimmus Tad
Xero, you are right. The average consumer argument can always be made. Really, good enough is good enough for many. I won't knock that. But, DVD made its way to the mainstream, when VHS was good enough. CRT SDTVs were good enough, but many are buying flat screen HDTVs. I'm saying the average Joe finds the technology eventually.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Speaking of MKV support, is the JVC XV-PB1 any good? http://www.engadgethd.com/2009...
- Rodfather
@Rodfather. Well said. Right now I'm ripping and transcoding WALL-E DVD to Nero Digital to put on my MythTV video library. I will barely be able to tell the difference and it will take up half the space the full DVD does. Same will likely hold true when I move to Blu-ray. I'll have a basic player for the Netflix rentals but digital is where it's at for me.
- Kevin Kuphal
Eric, yes, they do. And they can do so because enthusiasts absorb the R&D costs on the front line equipment, weed out the stuff that isn't as "good", and promote the stuff that is good. Eventually, the tech gets cheaper due to larger productions and better processes and the average joe gets it in their home at a good price. The process works, I just don't like how excited everyone gets when the prices are still so far above where they should be. I'm just here to bring some perspective to the mix. ;)
- xero
I think you are making a generic argument about early adopter tech when this specific player is putting high end features into a much more affordable player. I say this player is pushing that price point down, not up. Is it too rich for many still? Yes. For those that wanted the high end quality, but not the price, Oppo is bringing home the bacon. Should this player be $50? No, the R&D is still expensive. In 4 or 5 years, when the parts are all carbon copy and cheap, then maybe. It happens to all tech.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Rodfather, my favorite site for A/V gear says there is no review out yet, but folks there are liking it http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...
- jcunwired
"I just don't like..." So that puts it all into perspective. End of argument :)
- jcunwired
Would be cool if it supported streaming 1080p through the network. That way I could store movies on the desktop, and keep the loud equipment away from the living room.
- Rodfather
Rodfather, cant quite figure that out. Engadget says it does, but the guys on avsforum say thats not mentioned in the manual. That part raised my eyebrows too.
- jcunwired
Rodfather, here's a good briefing on a few from CES. Check out what's said about the Samsung BDP-4600 http://www.highdefdigest.com/news...
- jcunwired
Interesting w/ the WiFi dongle for Netflix. It's probably only for low bit-rate stuff.
- Rodfather
I'm a big movie buff (own a ton of DVDs) but I just can't get into migrating to Blue Ray - just seems like a dead-end (like most physical media). Digital downloads are my long-term upgrade solution.
- timepilot
I don't own many DVDs except for the ones I use to demo my system. Very few movies, in my opinion are worth watching more than once. Which is why I use Netflix.
- Alex Scoble
stretta, there are some real companies out there doing great things that produce this level of fanaticism without the quasi-religious furor and millions of dollars in marketing.
- Alex Scoble
And I imagine that they are working on a cheaper model that doesn't have all the analog goodness. Time will tell.
- Alex Scoble
huh huh huh you said anal...goodness /beavis
- Matthew DeVries
I'm on the fence for getting this, by the way. I'm not sure I can really afford it right now and we just aren't watching enough movies at home to make it worthwhile. I'd be saving $100 buying it now, but there's no sense in going broke saving money.
- Alex Scoble
Even less sense going broke saving money on something you likely won't use at all by next year.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Heh, Chris. You are smoking some good herb, but that's ok.
- Alex Scoble
I don't think so, but I don't even know what Viewmaster is.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Wow...did I totally just walk in to that one. *gobsmacked*
- Alex Scoble
LOL!! I wondered too Alex. Hadn't heard Viewmaster for a very long time. I think our cogs both clicked into place at about the same time.
- jcunwired
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