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Twitter Down for Some: Network Connectivity Issues Blamed - http://mashable.com/2009...
Silvana Felix, Dr.Lonely Lotus, ffcode and 2 other people liked this
You want to rely on Twitter for your business? Haa...haa...haa..haa!
- Ciro
I just wanna play and update. I like telling people when I need to poo dammit! :0P
- Daniel Vining
i forgot twitter....
- Dr.Lonely Lotus
But seriously, Twitter + October 18, 2009 = Big Fat Epic FAIL WHALE!!!
- Daniel Vining
Yammer’s Big Night: Launches Threaded Conversations, Push-Enabled iPhone App, And More - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Dave Ploch, Shoichi and 2 other people liked this
I'm gonna say this once. 90 degree weather is not hot. Ya'll will live. #thisbitchisfromtexas
LogEx, Kevin Pedraja, Kostantinos Koukopoulos and 37 other people liked this
I'm gonna say this once. 32 degree weather is not cold. Y'all will live. #thisbitchisfromcanada
- Mark Wilson
It is when the average summer high is 75, most of the year probably hovers somewhere around 50 and most houses have walls lined with sun-facing windows. I think it's a matter of preparation and acclimation.
- joey
I know that my house stays hot for days after the weather cools off, for whatever reason. Like I said before, I doubt that all these people who say 90 isn't hot probably don't keep their houses at 85+, which is what my house will be for the next week or more.
- Bren, Photophobe
totally depends on the amount of humidity, but in general you are right. However it can still be rather comfortable especially if you aren't used to it.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Yes it is!
- Kim Landwehr
I'm saying it's not hot. I don't do the AC but maybe 2 days in the year and I use a lot of fans. My house acts like an oven because I can't get the breeze to come in right. I also grew up in Texas and lived an entire summer at 116 degrees with no AC. I'm only accustomed to heat with lots of humidity.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
my boobs are sweating.
- MicahBear78
my ballz are sweating.
- Mark Wilson
#thisbitchisfromtexas is from Texas too and 90 degree weather with high-ass humidity is hot and full of the suck! ;)
- JA Castillo
It's isn't the heat. It's the humidity.
- Nine
Agree, the humidity is what kills me, though. I can stand 100 degrees in LA better than I could 90 in St. Louis, no question.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yeah, I lived... just not the way I wanna live all the time. God made A/C for a reason. Bring the frost!!
- Yolanda
If you run the AC indoors when it's 90 outdoors, I don't want to hear you bragging about your heat tolerance. OTOH, if 90 indoors is fine by you, then brag away.
- Andrew C
It is hot if combined with over 60% humidity.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
i grew up in Texas and didn't have air conditioning until i was 19. i know hot.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I love the hot weather from Texas. Compared to the crap in St. Louis/Southern Illinois with 95 and humidity, I'll take 105 any day. Although it's been unseasonably cool. Like upper 70s.
- Zach Flauaus
I LOVE it!!!!!! Finally ... (You rock Linds :)
- Charlie Anzman
Thanks Charlie! You're not too bad yourself ;)
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Uncomfortable is uncomfortable. Regardless of what someone from Texas thinks about the heat. #alsofromtexas
- The Letter M
It's currently 113 degrees outside and 88 degrees INSIDE my house... I am hot and I will complain.
- Her Lindsay-ness
It's been a steady 92 in my bedroom for weeks now, and we have had a lovely summer compared to most.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
If that's comfortable to you m9m you're a heck of a lot tougher than me. But whether you think I'm a wuss or not I think anything over 85 inside the house grants instant permission to complain.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I'm not comfortable! I hate it. But I'm stuck in the middle room without a window until I can do some major renovating and rewiring. I just keep a fan going and wait it out. A coworker told me she keeps her tub filled with cold water, gets up at night and gets wet, then runs back to bed so the fan can chill her back to sleep.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
What is or isn't hot for other people isn't up to you, Lindsey.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sure, I can tolerate it well enough but my infant sure can't.
- Rochelle
It's my opinion Akiva, I'm entitled to it.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Lindsey, no you're not. Your rights have been revoked for 24 hours. Please comply.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Damn it! Not again >.<
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I saw -24 in January and +117 in June of this year. Both extremes are crazy. I don't know which is worse.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
from fftogo
32 F sucks. 90F Rocks.
- Ian May
It hit -18 this winter but we've only been up to the mid 90s this summer so far.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Its 2:40 in the morning and it is still close to 90 in this house. I'll live, but dammit I don't want to anymore! I believe there was talk early on of some nice 32 degree weather?
- Joe Pierce
Wait 'til it gets to about 44 or 45C - you can feel each degree blasting away at you - like a furnace -/
- Chris Loft
I don't think it's hot either. 90F is a pretty ordinary late spring/early summer temp here. Midsummer is 95+. And we don't have a/c.
- Mellissa Jane
looking forward to a chilly day of 88F with just a slight dose of humidity (93%), ;) weather ppl updated & corrected themselves, we're headed back to 92, weeeee, ;)
- chaz2b
We're all different, and have different likes and tolerances. If I had to live in a climate with temps in the 90's and high humidity or a sub-zero one with snow 3-4 months of the year (or more). I'd personally choose the former. Yes, I run a/c when the temperature outside gets over about 83-84F, but I also run heat when it's below about 50F outside too. I'm not outside all the time by...
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- Ian May
There are two key factors here. The first is what Mellissa mentioned: ordinary. If 90ºF with no AC is ordinary for you, you acclimate. When it rarely gets above 80ºF, your body isn't used to it and doesn't adjust well. That is what's happening here. Yes, surprise, surprise, it other parts of the world it certainly gets hotter. But just because people on the equator can tolerate 110ºF...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Oh, and one last thing: Lindsey says, 'Ya'll [sic] live.' That simply isn't true. People will die of the heat over the next couple of days. Especially the elderly on fixed incomes. They can't afford to buy an air conditioner and have no place to go.
- Akiva Moskovitz
what Akiva said. heat is lethal. where i live they will distribute free window units to low income homes and sometimes, if the heat gets extreme, even invite the homeless to air conditioned buildings until it cools down.
- Joe Silence is not dead
i spent October 2006 in Malaysia, which is on the equator, and the weather there makes August in Houston seem like autumn in Toronto. i got used to it within a week, but those first 6 days were sheer misery.
- Joe Silence is not dead
One: The elderly aren't the ones bitching about it. Two: I spell ya'll that way on purpose. We've had a thread like that already.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
So your point is that we're not allowed to talk about the heat because people in other parts of the world can handle hotter temperatures without a problem? [Also, if you think the elderly aren't complaining about it, you're out of your damned mind.]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Did I say you weren't allowed to talk about it? No. Just as you can bitch about the heat, I can think ya'll [sic] are cry asses. It's kinda funny how opinions work eh?
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Well, my opinion is the only one being really bitchy around here is you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Not really. You can see my original post is half in jest. See up there, I even called myself a bitch in the hashtag. After seeing 50+ threads bitching about 90 degrees, I felt one post about how it's not hot would help balance things. Thanks for playing though, you've been lovely. *block*
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Lifehacker - Battle of the Desktop Note-Taking Apps: OneNote vs. Evernote - Reader Poll - http://lifehacker.com/5297409...
Dave Ploch, Christopher A. Wichura, Her Lindsay-ness and Jorge Barba liked this
I voted. :)
- Her Lindsay-ness
I have to say that, at the moment, on Windows alone, OneNote is better (sorry!). But when you take into account the read-anywhere, always-synced, multiplatform nature of Evernote, it's the clear winner. The Windows app (and to a less extent the Mac one) just need some TLC.
- Ian Betteridge
I agree that OneNote might be a better experience for note taking on a single platform (Windows). But I use Evernote for more than just note taking (in fact I use it less for actual note taking than anything else I do with it... it's my information and file storage backup brain). That plus the enabling factor that I can get to my notes wherever I happen to be makes it the clear winner...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I almost wish there was a way to sync the two apps somehow (at least one-way to Evernote). I'd use OneNote for Tablet Screen and get all the great niceness Evernote for all other times.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I had suggested this before but no one told me if it would work... If you're a premium EN subscriber then you can put whatever file type you want in a note. Couldn't you store the OneNote notebook files in EN notes? Then they'd be synced and you could open them up whenever you were using a computer that used OneNote...
- Her Lindsay-ness
MeatWater High Efficiency Survival Beverage - http://links.laughingsquid.com/post...
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Greg Birch and Dave Ploch liked this
Enable 3G Internet Tethering on iPhone 3G 3.0 with iPhone Safari - http://www.blogsdna.com/3720...
Kevykev, Dave Ploch, Walt Ruppar and 5 other people liked this
Very Cool find! This might be the first thing I try on my 3GS when it arrives today...
- Walt Ruppar
Way Cool since it really works and it REALLY SIMPLE to do. GREAT WORK
- Dave Ploch
How are Twitter/Facebook/friendfeed/blogs changing how you learn? I'm speaking on that topic tomorrow: (PDF) http://innovationsinelearning.gmu.edu/2009Pre...
Mike Elliott, Raymond M. Kristiansen, Philip Lei and 53 other people liked this
I'd love to know if you have any stories I should pass along.
- Robert Scoble
I will definitely be showing off friendfeed, because I learn something from it every day.
- Robert Scoble
Expanding what I see, and then I can dig deeper. The socials give you new and different outlooks, viewpoints, etc. This does not happen with TV, newspapers, or friends.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Oh, and cats. Lots of pictures of cats.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Learning is much more targeted and still organic. Like a good flower patch, you can pick and chose unlike traditional media. The real time web is awesome. News come faster and you can ignore the mundane conversations. It's democratically global at your finger tips. It has HUGE room for improvement.
- Yann Ropars
Do you think that people will eventually use friendfeed as something more than just an aggregator? Or is this the space that Google Wave is aiming for (in which case it will render ff useless)?
- Nate
adding Wikipedia on that and yes that changed everything I have ever learned and will ever learn in the future in a big way!
- Alex M.
Robert is there an agreed hashtag for the "5th Annual Innovations in eLearning Symposium" conference? Would love to tune in. These social networks are changing the way we learn - we're learning, sharing and collaborating in exciting new ways. We're learning faster and distributing this in near real-time - well, with FriendFeed you could argue it is in real time! I believe these tools are a paradigm shift in how we are communicating, and learning.
- Tony Hollingsworth
Tony: I don't know. They aren't very web savy. Took me a long time to even find the PDF of the conference, which is funny.
- Robert Scoble
Nate: I'm already using friendfeed as a non-aggregator. You gotta find the power in the groups here. I have to do a video on those.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: plus, I hate hashtags. Why do you need them? Friendfeed's search engine is so good you don't need them to find this post anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I use both services as a magazine surfing through a myriad of topics, sometimes digging deeper into one when I find one that interests me. Sometimes I am reading for specific topics, sometimes general knowledge, sometimes for no reason other than just for fun.
- Dave Ploch
robert, could you expand on that 'non-aggregator' terminology a bit? do you mean getting more out of it than just aggregating feeds? like the discssions etc?
- Chris Heath
yeah tony: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Chris Heath
Chris: yes. I have a private room where I just talk with a small group of people. VentureBeat and Wired Online use rooms to do their workflow.
- Robert Scoble
I meet friends I would never have met on the street.
- Randy Allen Bishop
ok, yeah - i though you meant that robert, but in the back of my mind i was thinking 'i use groups to aggregate...'
- Chris Heath
Randy: yeah, but what are you learning from them? How is your learning changing?
- Robert Scoble
here's where i tried to do a bit of teaching late last night when i should have been sleeping http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris Heath
via FF, et al I get news/info through a *human filter* - swineflu was a great example - hype has less effect unless it's legit - if we'd only just discovered that the Earth wasn't flat, there'd still be sites floating around saying it is - to add to this, we can now edit the record on the spot - adds value to the bandwidth in a new way
- chad calease
Thanks guys - I'm a n00b at FriendFeed and keep reverting to Twitter and hashtags/Twitter Search to find threaded conversations and "virtual watercooler" stuff
- Tony Hollingsworth
I learn from people that I would never have the chance to learn from otherwise - I seek out social media heavies, because I want to learn about certain web 2.0 tools and I look for real estate tech heads so I can see and learn what they are up too. My job combines technology and real estate - so this gives me loads of material to share with my 600 + agents. My FF filters help me decipher and fine tune the information.
- Stefanie Hahn
Online social media tools significantly change the learning process, taking it from linear to intuitive and integrative - a multi-spoked wheel. Learn new things everyday from Twitter and blogs, much of which I did not intend but learning resulted as by-product.of exposure.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Im not sure if this is a thought but we talk about micro blogging I got to say that Im seeing micro learning. A lot of the interns I get know a good deal but they are missing the context and the ability to put the individual bits together. still it is a fantastic way to find information and interact.
- Terry Bruce
Btw, you commented on the savviness of educators and I'll share that Education does digital technology at a very grass-roots level and much of it bootstraped by teachers or others in the classroom. So a broad level of sophistication isn't there - it's in pockets.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Gee Scoble, ask and you shall receive. :)
- Lon Cohen
We learn a broader range of information relating to our interests, but the great thing is that we focus the learning through consensus, interaction, and reactions to validate the content.
- James Stratford
inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before thanks to the social networks. cross-disciplinary inquiries are more accessible, too, because of the range of folks participating, so results return with more relevance - learners should be able to customize the kind of information they're after to a fine degree. the flexibility of these tools allow me to learn in the...
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- chad calease
My take on the classroom/lecture analogy/metaphor (whatever): Any given friendfeed discussion has the capacity to become a learning experience about almost anything. Those who participate are akin to those in class who raise their hand and question/challenge the teacher. There is no designated teacher here, so everyone who participates 'can' be a teacher (and probably is to someone)....
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- Chris Heath
For me, it's kind of like speed reading. You don't learn every detail but you do get a quick, somewhat comprehensive understanding of the topic. Took speed reading classes in summer school when I was a kid. Thanks mom :)
- padric toman
Robert, much of learning is about making meaningful connections through meaningful experiences and learning through apprenticeships. These tools provide the ability to experience thought leaders on any/many topics from anywhere and if you participate in the conversation you begin to build your own understanding. As the filters (search & social connections) allow you to fine tune that engagement it can become very effective.
- Lee
good point, Chris
- chad calease
Robert, as a theory to back up your thoughts, check out the Social Learning Theory by Albert Bandura.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
'Study Groups' self-assemble here on friendfeed - once track is back then there will be no excuse for not finding the group you're looking for
- Chris Heath
The jury is still out on my appreciation of the social aspect, recently dropping in appears to increase my creative flow. The speed reading concept is also viable, imo.
- Carolyn Wood
i don't agree with the speed reading aspect. part of the solution for me is getting away from this partial learning and into something significantly more comprehensive. many of us think a 3-page article on a topic leads us to *understanding* it - surely there's a happy medium somewhere
- chad calease
Would like to see more on harnessing the power of groups on FriendFeed and how businesses are using the platform with private workgroups
- Carol Lynn Martens
Twitter/FF - I agree with Chad. Well put. “inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before.” The focus for me is on the social aspect of sharing data; both legacy and real time. I follow people with similar interests. People who have a passion for exploring new media paradigms, products, and services that shape the way through which we disseminate information. That social...
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- Benjamin Taylor
yeah chad, i'm with you on that... this format allows for a more in-depth interaction - i do get the speed reading part, but that's just so i can find the bits i want to get in-depth with (like this thread, for instance)
- Chris Heath
By the way, to answer the earlier question, the hashtag for the conference is #iel09
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
#ieL09 for clarity
- Chris Heath
Robert: I use FF to alert me of new blogs in areas of interest, I then use the blogs to help me find answers to the problems or design decisions they don't talk about in school or books. I think of blogs as one of the best ways to mentor the masses and FF as a way to find out about them. Its like having millions of agents looking for material I'm interested in.
- Jim Lavin
Look at what I made: http://friendfeed.com/law-blob Dozens of legal experts commenting in their fields on recent issues, and I'm adding more all the time. Easy to skim, easy to tag, and deeper than the sea. Just as one example... e-discovery is a fast moving area of the law, and by following less than a dozen blogs, my briefs blow the doors off my opponent's.
- Maxwell Kennerly
Thanks for the tip, Robert. This conference looks really interesting and I may try to attend.
- Sterling Zumbrunn
from BuddyFeed
Social Median has been great for taking many sources and shooting back the content from them that interests me on a particular subject, it is good tool for learning about topics relating to current events.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
We no longer need to retain "loose" knowledge - we just need to maintain loose networks of smart people. This is where FF and social learning kick in
- Gavin Heaton
Robert: Discovery = Learning -- FF/Twitter accelerate Discovery -- So FF/Twitter = Learning x Learning
- Paul Moss
Robert, also consider including excellent Q&A sites like stackoverflow in your talk
- Arvind
Robert you have likely seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch... How one teacher uses twitter in the classroom
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter: yes, but I'm glad you reminded me of that. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
my interest in social networking is in "knowledge management", now everyone knows that you can not manage knowledge, you also can not "capture" knowledge, that is a fallacy, what you can do however is facilitate better information sharing and especially involve different groups in different means of problem solving, twitter, ff and others are very useful tools in aggregating /...
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- Paul Tudor
Just reading these comments is a great learning experience! I find the level of brainpower, imagination and creativity from the friendfeeders to be so exceptional. I have always been an info junkie and now I have these excellent creative info miners-from Twitter and FF giving me great new gems second by second. My problem is managing the time. I can lget caught up in the flow and hours go by in seeming minutes, as I share and connect the various dots in the matrices.
- Karma Martell
Oh Robert! You triggered a couple of interesting conversations over 10 hours ago and then, while I was sleeping, you started this one!! I am sure that I have not fully understood your question, but my comment(s) grew so fast that they outgrew this format, so I threw them into a hastily written blog post here: http://johnwlewis.wordpress.com/2009...
- John W Lewis
I am late to the conversation and this has proab been said, but using social media I have access to thought leaders and innovators. I have had ff conversation with you in the past and I would never have that opportunity 10 years ago (well maybe blogs).
- Jeff
Robert: this just came past http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica... (Embracing the Twitter Classroom) some intersting stuff here.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
On the off chance that you may possibly mention FriendFeed :) I'll share one of the FriendFeed saved searches that I use to keep up with job information http://friendfeed.com/search...
- John E. Bredehoft
Is true Geo-tagging of every tweet on the way? - "Twitter's Next Project: Location" - http://www.businessinsider.com/one-of-...
Kim Landwehr, Lu Tao, Dave Ploch and 4 other people liked this
I would like to be able to control who sees my location, I really see no need to let everybody who follows me of where I am 24/7
- Kim Landwehr
FriendFeed Jabber/Gtalk IM bot - http://blog.imified.com/index...
mjc, Craig Deakin, e-bekr and 440 other people liked this
I think this is the origin of story!! March 26 was when I added the bot to my gTalk..!!
- Jigar Mehta
I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce?
- Chris Nixon
Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce..
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment)
- Ken Sheppardson
450.
- Volkan Yılmaz ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
Hi i am charles Camil ,i want to know you
- charles
Sixth generation Golf and GTI unveiled at New York Auto Show - http://www.vw.com/upcomin...
Andrei M. Marinescu, Wayne Smallman, Bindu Reddy and 15 other people liked this
DO NOT LIKE
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
indeed.
- vijay
That's quite a breeding program they have going there. Could this one be the Kwisatz Haderach?
- Josh Haley
It looks cute from this angle
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Those wheels are booty. They look like rotary dial phones from the 70s.
- Derrick
I'm just mad they got rid of the Rabbit nameplate (again) before I was ready to buy a new car.
- cecily
D, those are the wheels I have on my Wolfsberg MkV.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I have had 3 mk 1 gtis. and a mk 2 ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Oh, well, then you have ugly wheels too, Akiva.
- Derrick
I hate you so much.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Terrible!
- Jorg Jansen
My first new car was a Golf (actually, a 1980 VW Rabbit). This makes me smile. Best part: Comes with one of the swanky new 2L clean turbodiesels. Awesome.
- Chris Baskind
Too bad it's needlessly overweight, the GTI gets heavier and heavier every model. It doesn't deserve the 'pocket rocket' status anymore
- Mo Kargas
Fugly.
- Anika
This is why I went w/ the '04 R32 and not the refresh; the new ones do not cut it.
- JA Castillo
I think they look really nice, if only I could afford to get one
- Alex Carpenter
Are they bringing the Polo over anytime soon? I like that little bugger.
- Derrick
I just want that engine in whatever VW will sell to me.
- Chris Baskind
The grill LOL WTF.
- Mona Nomura
I'd buy that
- nouhad
I like it better than the MkV's. Signed, a happy Mk IV owner.
- Paul Reynolds
Touchdown FAIL - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Dan Rua, TobiasVerhoog.com, Rubin Sfadj and 247 other people liked this
Hahahahahah oops...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Idiot. And this is why I don't like when players fool around on the field. DO YOUR JOB! ugh.
- ♥patricia♥
LOL DOH!
- CW™
that was amazing. and it did autoplay in FF! how hot is that. i hope the coach benched that guy!
- Charles Hudson
Oh dumb people...
- Mike Nayyar
that is awesome, reminds me of the banking industry
- Bryan Thatcher
The wonderful thing about tiggers is tiggers are wonderful things. The tops are made of rubber, the bottoms are ... oh shit!
- Mattb4rd
What a wanker.
- Andrew Trinh
This never gets old. and the fact he didn't learn from this is even better http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- BCK
I think the death penalty is legal in cases like this.
- Dave Winer
Zee your website is throwing HTTP 500 errors doesn't look good. :(
- rob friedman
yeah, sucks eh Rob....bloody site5...should be up in a few more minutes...(hopefully)
- Zee.
+10 dave =D
- Ken Morley
huh, that's nifty that you have the comments fed from here into your blog post. :) which plugin is it?
- rob friedman
yeah, it's awesome - not sure if i'm meant to be talking about it just yet though. They haven't released it but i'm testing it out
- Zee.
pillock!
- Rob Sellen :o)
please share when you can Zee, I'm very interested.
- rob friedman
from twhirl
<hand smacking forehead>
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
LOL!!!!
- Luca Filigheddu
Hilarious !
- Nir Ben Yona
ROTFL
- Robie
can't believe it :D
- antonio pavolini
so close and yet so far from the target =)
- Davide D'Incau
lololol
- Chris Farrugia
AHAHAHAHAHA!
- vijay
lol
- Alp
@Peter - so true.
- Nir Ben Yona
LOL. Oh man, I guess he had a nice conversation with the coach after this :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
pmsl show of eh lol
- eric
I think the correct expression would be 'Oops'.
- Erwin Blonk
missed it by that much...
- Gary Fredrick
oops....
- ybs
ahahahahahaha
- Lucio
Cool :-)
- Zee Waqar
wuajajajajajaj great!
- Francisco Kemeny
looks like an Eagles receiver...
- Anthony Farrior
What a muppet! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
BCK is right: he didn't learn. FAIL.
- Bill Sodeman
XD
- Jay
hahahah :)
- Metin Kahraman
Anthony - yeah - and he did it again on Monday Night Football this season - learned nothing from this earlier balls-up ....
- Patrick Jordan
One of the top 10 animated GIFs of all time
- Roger Benningfield
somene did a self-pwnage!
- imabonehead
a) Was he trying to break his longest touchdown dive record? b) Was it something that worked during training sessions? c) Is he excessively stupid? d) All of the above
- Nenad Nikolic
这个绝对有意思
- 佛徒
None other than Philly's own DeSean Jackson. Best part? He didn't even learn from this, as Patrick said. It's all about ME.
- Sean O
just found the video - what a pillock http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Zee.
231! terrific, let's ffholic this, that must be #1. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
#4 for those interested, great post Zee, the animated gif gave a feeling on that first FF beta day that was inexplicable, modern times type of feeling, that things were changing for the service in interaction gathering. 8}
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
missed it by that much lol
- Zax Stevens
Can hear Homer now.... Doh!
- Michael Karagines
If you have had too much tequila hitting "pause" in friendfeed makes the room stop spinning!
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or if you just want to get the feel back of the old UI
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Loving these PSA's, Robert.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Hopefully this works if you've had too much wine, too!
- joey
I doubt that....that green dude keeps reappearing!
- WorldofHiglet
Nope, didn't work !!!
- Dave Ploch
You're on wine tonight too Joey? What have you got going?
- Mitch
hopefully after the morning hangover is gone, you'll be a little less green ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google Adds GPS-Like Functionality to Search - http://mashable.com/2009...
Susan Beebe, Dave Ploch, Tom Parish and Mickey Mellen liked this
This is what the new Friendfeed feels like! - http://www.tvland.com/photoga...
Matthew, Adam Cohen, Mark Krynsky and 79 other people liked this
ha ha
- MG Siegler
That is hilarious!!!
- Al Stevens
Only without the great chocolate taste!
- Al Stevens
exactly - no time to take something of the convey belt!
- Nick Halstead
I'm not a fan of automatically being on real time. talk about firehose
- Yolanda
Steve its a river with dams - just use them (searches, filters, lists, etc). Might as well as them to slow down the stock market. Welcome to the realtime web!
- timepilot
Classic - literally and figuratively. Nice...
- Christian
I can see the pies falling off the end.
- Khürt Williams
ROFL!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
If that's true, we're in luck, because chocolate is great, and that episode is a classic!
- Louis Gray
Brilliant analogy.
- Sean McBride
I am, in fact, currently stuffing Comments in my shirt.
- Ken Sheppardson
hahaah totally!! good one Steve!!
- Susan Beebe
I've had a long-term policy towards web pages that move in any way -- I avoid them like the plague. I am a text-oriented person, and I like my text to sit still, so that I can quietly contemplate it.
- Sean McBride
I agree. The new Friendfeed does not help me get information, it crushes me under the relentless pace of items that cannot be read. The old interface at least pretends to be friendly enough that I can read interesting items without rushing to catch them before they vanish.
- Shamir Katsu
Great point Shamir, the speed of the updates is devaluing the input and the quality of the content that can be found.
- Russ Jackson
Ah, how sweet and refreshing is the refresh button. Such a simple and brilliant component of any intelligent and well-designed UI.
- Sean McBride
50 Fabulous Web Tools for Group Projects - http://www.ratedcolleges.com/blog...
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There are a ton of collaboration tools out there. Check out wikipedia or Techcrunch for a starting point.
- Dave Ploch
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Apture: demo of cool service to build “super links” - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Bloggers: you'll want to watch this one. Will you add this tool to your blog? Why or why not?
- Robert Scoble
By the way, this video was done with my Canon 5D MK II. I love this camera.
- Robert Scoble
as publishers we've used it & it blends well w/ other toolkit items such as http://www.zemanta.com
- mike "glemak" dunn
I like the idea of easily finding media to use for articles, but I don't like embedding it with javascript. There can be significant lag time until the media loads & appears, and it won't appear at all if javascript is disabled. Also, I really wish these services let you define your own "widgets", instead of being limited to their selection of popular sites.
- Daniel Sims
I've already started using it, so far super easy to implement. I do get a warning when I download for WP 2.7.1 saying it is only compliant to 2.7 which might scare some people away. Daniel makes good points about future improvements.
- Rick Bucich
Robert, that blip.tv video loads *extremely* slow. I'm currently downloading with about 165Kb/s. Ok, so I don't have 10Mbit here... It's nice that you shoot in HD (or something) but it would be better if you also would provide "youtube" quality. For these kind of videos, I'd be perfectly fine with that. The 165K is not enough to sustain streaming.
- Meryn Stol
I must admit it's REALLY nice video quality. :)
- Meryn Stol
Apture is pretty bad ass. Really like the political version.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
The video is still loading, but this looks really sweet. This guy knows how to do UI.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: Blip transcodes to Flash. It should be done soon. Also I tried to upload to YouTube but it isn't approved yet.
- Robert Scoble
installing this now
- andy brudtkuhl
btw - you should really turn your phone off during interviews :-)
- andy brudtkuhl
Ah, so this is done on the fly? Well then I'm just a poor guy being punished for wanting to watch it as one of the first. :)
- Meryn Stol
Andy: I know, I am sorry.
- Robert Scoble
BTW I think this is a prime example of when video is better than text. A company founder demoing his own product is really nice.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: yeah, I upload MPG4 version and it plays that while building flash version in background.
- Robert Scoble
@robert haha it happens to everyone.. So I have just installed Apture on both my blogs and am amazed at the increased level of engagement and interaction Apture provides. It was a wow + ahha moment. Very impressed - one of the coolest things i've seen in awhile
- andy brudtkuhl
As Andy says it is a WOW and a aha moment after installing on my blog. Very cool. Now if I didn't have such a head cold I might be able to better enjoy it. Thanks Robert for the heads up.
- Russ Jackson
WOW !!!! Why wouldn't you include this in your blog??? This is a WINNER. Thanks Tristan.
- Dave Ploch
Good idea. Very nice execution.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This is probably the coolest thing I've seen in a while. I'm downloading the WordPress plugin now. See if I like it more than I did Zemanta (which I uninstalled after a few weeks - never pulled up the links I wanted); I certainly liked Tristan's demo.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Moab's Slickrock trail photos http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Never been there but it looks WAY COOL. Great pictures.
- Dave Ploch
Is Google Chrome The New IE 6 For Web Designers? - http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009...
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Open notebook quantum information - http://michaelnielsen.org/blog...
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Another open notebook! This one is from Tobias Osborne, and is focused on quantum information. Link: http://tjoresearchnotes.wordpress.com/
- Michael Nielsen
It's interesting - I still struggle with the idea of what an open notebook looks like for a theoretical scientist. But then I don't have a clear idea of what a notebook, or a working space, looks like for a theoretical scientist. When I think I don't tend to write stuff down until I have at least some version in my head basically.
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron - As with labs, I think the key concept is being "more open"; completely open is an ideal that will probably never quite be achieved. Tobias is taking steps in that direction, trying to blog ideas soon after he has them. I've suggested to him setting up a delicious stream so that people can see papers he's reading, as well; adding FriendFeed on top would provide a nice layer of commentary and interaction.
- Michael Nielsen
I think that a notebook is perhaps the wrong model for a theorist and that, as Michael suggests, just being more open is the key. "Open Brain-Dump", "Open Discussion" or "Open Collaboration" would possibly be a better terms for what this means to a theorist. I actually prefer "Brain-Dump" because it includes things that are not explicitly collaborative, such as Garrett Lisi's work.
- Matt Leifer
As with Cameron I'm not sure how well the Open Notebook concept maps onto theoretical fields. If you take a look at the definitions and categories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... I think what Tobias is trying to do is not ONS - it sounds more like a research blog - commenting on papers he reads
- Jean-Claude Bradley
The term "Open Notebook" refers to a mandatory sharing of all experimental data for a given project. If you didn't find entries for the past 30 days in a true ON you can infer that no experiments were performed during that time. There is a category in the Wikipedia page on ONS referring to Partial/Pseudo ONS. This would include all attempts at being more open in sharing research without strict adherence to all the implications of ONS.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Jean-Claude's comments are fascinating. Hmm, the term "Partial/Pseudo ONS." sounds pejorative. This is interesting, "...is not ONS - it sounds more like a research blog - commenting on papers he reads."
- Hope Leman
Jean-Claude - taking that definition literally, it's not possible for a theorist to do open notebook science. Of course, many theorists keep notebooks, and it's certainly possible for them to be made open; it would seem strange (at least to me) not to call that open notebook science, despite the lack of data.
- Michael Nielsen
A clarification: Tobias' blog contains, so far as I can see, mainly research ideas and background to those ideas. It doesn't (yet) have much commenting on papers he reads. It would certainly be nice for it to be more systematically open, though, with things like auto-generated lists of what he's reading, and so on.
- Michael Nielsen
@hleman It isn't meant to be pejorative - just accurate based on the accepted meaning of ONS. See the Wikipedia discussion and references there to see the source of PONS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Michael - people might have used the term "Open Notebook Science" to mean any number of things but until Sept 26, 2006 it had not yet been indexed on Google. By using the term consistently, it avoided the confusion that had evolved around terms like "Open Source Science' or even "Open Science". Having a definition that anyone can look up makes it much easier to talk about things http://drexel-coas-elearning.b...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Jean-Claude - terms changing can be a good thing (not always, of course). I think your definition of ONS was a great step, but that any definition which completely excludes theory is incomplete, and needs elucidation.
- Michael Nielsen
How to define ONS for theory seems like an interesting challenge. Ideally, I think, a researcher would share as much as possible - all the ideas, partial results, dead ends, reading, conversations, calculations, drafts in progress, and so on - of what goes into theoretical work, preferably in an integrated, standardized and machine readable format.
- Michael Nielsen
@Michael - the reason it is called Open Notebook is that a notebook has an extremely well defined meaning in experimental sciences. If you work at Merck I don't think they will let you redefine what a chemistry notebook is and does. The term notebook has a strong history in the experimental sciences - so that everyone knows what an ELN mean - theoretical investigations don't map on the Wikipedia definition of that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Michael - can't you use the term Open Journal to fit your purpose for theoretical investigations? That way we can avoid the profound ambiguity that developed over the term Open Source Science.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I think Jean-Claude's explanatory phrase "no insider information" suggests a better way to look at the issue than strict definitions, against which some edge case or other can always be set. Whether you're doing experiments or not, if it takes more than a day or so for everything you know to appear on the web, then whatever record you're keeping is not an Open Notebook. Conversely, if the world knows everything you know, in as close to real time as possible, then you are keeping an Open Notebook.
- Bill Hooker
Hi, all. I am new to this subject and am greatly benefiting from the above discussion. As a newcomer to this discussion of nomenclature, I agree with Jen-Claude’s comments to Michael that Open Notebook Science should be used to refer to projects in the basic sciences and/or that fit the model of the electronic lab notebook. I would like to ask both Michael and Jean-Claude to ask what...
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- Hope Leman
@hleman The reason I used the term "research blogging" is that it has come to mean blogging about peer-reviewed work after publication, mainly due to the success of http://researchblogging.org/ Without consistent use of the term it really could mean anything. "Science blogging" is a general term that covers all of the examples we discussed here. "Open Science" is also a very general term that could apply without problem to what we are discussing.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Bill yes "no insider information" is the idea -and we are lucky in the experimental sciences to have a formal way of keeping track. If you did an experiment and you didn't make it completely public - it isn't ONS. Ironically it is probably the requirements of patent law that have placed the greatest pressure on the mandatory maintenance of lab notebooks in a timely and rigorous format. From what I understand Michael is saying there is no such culture in the non-experimental sciences.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
It seems reasonable to me to use the term "Open Notebook Science" to mean no insider information in the context of both theory and experiment. It's true that the theoretical examples I'm aware of all fall well short of that ideal at present.
- Michael Nielsen
@Bill's comment about writing down "everything you know": I understand and agree with the spirit of this, but for many practices it's just not possible to write it down. Good lab technique is learned by doing. Being clear about these aspects might lessen our normal resistance to new practices.
- Bill Anderson
from twhirl
"it's just not possible to write it down" -- I didn't say write it down, I said put it on the web. Cue Moshe from JoVE... :-)
- Bill Hooker
OK, I sit corrected. Nonetheless, can everything be "put on the web"? What new practices are we developing for open science? (And what about those Openistas?)
- Bill Anderson
from twhirl
What I'm gathering from this conversation (and the wikipedia article) is that ONS has a specific meaning, and that it is an electronic version of an "ordinary" lab notebook that is freely accessible to anyone in the entire world (via the internet). Accompanying this is also the requirement for posting "all raw and processed data, and any associated material." As Jean-Claude pointed out,...
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- Steve Koch
A simple example is the JoVE mentioned above. Or an idea that occurred to me today: it would be very useful to store screenshots of what I'm working on on my machine while writing code and processing data. You could easily include automated screenshots in your open notebook, but this is not required for ONS as defined now. You could also record video of everything you do and that is not...
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- Steve Koch
An idea that I can't seem to form well is this: A really good motto for a scientist who wants to be open could be this: "Be as open as I personally want to be." This is very different than "be as open as possible." What I am specifically thinking is that young scientists (i.e., not yet beaten-down) seem to usually have very natural tendencies towards open science. But the overall level...
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- Steve Koch
That wouldn't be ONS, but a version of openness that would be helpful and admirable.
- Steve Koch
Steve's got an interesting point there. If you look at what JC does which is perhaps more closely tied to the concept of a traditional notebook you would see that it is more complete than my notebooks are. I think perhaps I've been focussed more on trying to expand the range of stuff we_can_ get onto the web.
- Cameron Neylon
I need to get back in touch with Harry Collins at Cardiff Uni who gave a good talk on the limits of what knowledge can be transferred (and to some extent the relationship between that and the media through which it is being transferred) http://pirsa.org/08090033/ for the talk and http://friendfeed.com/e... for commentary
- Cameron Neylon
@Steve -Nobody is saying that ONS is the only - or even the best way - to share. It completely depends on the researcher's objectives, their collaborators, where they intend to publish, etc. That's why there is a PONS section on the Wikipedia articles describing alternatives to ONS like putting in a delay, selectively sharing some experiments, etc.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
The usefulness of ONS is that it explicitly allows one to assume that if it is not in the notebook it has not been DONE. One can also assume that ALL experiments in that project are reported. This allows anyone to analyze exactly how experimental science is actually done - how many failures to successes, how many errors get corrected, how a protocol evolves, how science in a field actually gets reported, etc. ONS is not a moral judgment or even a recommendation - it is just a well defined term
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Hi, Jean-Claude. But can you indeed assume that, "if it is not in the notebook it has not been DONE?" After all, the notebooks are voluntary projects and not heavily regulated, right? What if a shrewd member of a team spots potential blockbuster commercial applications of a finding? Would she be under any legal (as opposed to moral) obligation to report that finding in an open notebook?
- Hope Leman
@Hope - IP and scooping are the usual fears of doing ONS - and these are detailed in the Wikipedia entry. From a legal/patent perspective the ON is a publication and you should absolutely not do it if you are chasing after IP. All collaborators in an ONS project need to be very clear on that. Of course you give up your interests in IP when you publish in a regular journal - you are just doing it earlier here.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Hope. There is no legal requirement to tell the truth. You can lie about all kinds of things on your blog or wiki but is it worth it for your reputation? I would expect that if someone had started out doing ONS and realized that it was not working out they would announce that they are scaling back to a PONS system or just stop sharing completely.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Jean-Claude (4 and 5 posts up): I did not feel like you were making moral judgments or any kind of pressure. And I do think that your goal for a well defined ONS has a lot of value. I am, though, struggling with how moral compasses should be set in regards to ONS. My thoughts are muddled.
- Steve Koch
This just occurred to me. There is a parallel with wikipedia here. Wikipedia has very specifically defined standards for articles. These standards are very much derived from the traditional old-school encylopedias. Sometimes casually, I can think "who cares?" But wikipedia editors stuck to those principles and succeeded fantastically. This is similar (in my mind) to what Jean-Claude is telling us about ONS. A rigorous definition was probably a key for wikipedia's success.
- Steve Koch
When things arose that did not fit this model, but were useful, they didn't change the wikipedia model, but created new pieces to the open information project. Similarly, as Jean-Claude tells us, ONS is only one piece of the open science puzzle. Having a specific, easily understood, historically-modeled definition for ONS may be critical to maximizing its effectiveness as a puzzle piece.
- Steve Koch
@Steve - yes ONS is a very small piece of the Open Science puzzle. The vast majority of researchers will not want to do this - and it probably should not be their first choice to experiment with OS. In fact, at the Southampton OS conference that Cameron organized last summer, we came to the conclusion that the PONS variant of just making available your lab notebook pages and/or raw data AFTER peer-reviewed publication is a concrete step that is much more realistic for most.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Hi, all. This continues to be a fascinating discussion. I have just tweeted Steve’s superb rumination, “Personal Open Science Challenges” http://tinyurl.com/bxphvw in the hope that it will become widely read, as it so cogently addresses so many of these matters. I found this passage particularly interesting, “I do worry about being scooped, but I have already concluded that being open...
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- Hope Leman
@Hope - yes when you publish - and it does not have to be in a peer-reviewed journal - your ideas and work you forfeit your ability to submit international patent filings. You have a year in the US but without the international rights a lot of value is lost. In the US you can file a provisional patent when you publish and that buys you one year to submit a full patent.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Hope, you should also be aware that many journals insist that you sign over all copyright in your articles to the journal publisher.
- D0r0th34
Hi, Jean-Claude and D0r0th34. Thank you so much--I didn't know what Jean-Claude mentions and it shocking that what D0r0th34 says is still the case. All the more reason in the latter case so be pro-open access. You are both very kind to take the time to tutor me in such matters.
- Hope Leman
IP is a whole other confusing issue. I'm fundamentally in favor of patents. Commercialization of ideas helps the world. I took a fantastic entrepreneurship course in graduate school, and came to realize that patents are essential for obtaining venture capital. Patents are a form of openness, but you have to be careful about disclosures. That's annoying and difficult for me to deal with. It would be great if you could have one year to retain international rights as well.
- Steve Koch
I am not sure patents are the be all and end all of innovation, and the current patent regime leaves a lot to be desired. Personally, I think core science should not be patentable and only implementations of core science merit IP protection. But yes, you do have to make up your mind up front about how open you want to be in a case where you are discovering compounds etc, but I still think that's doable
- Deepak Singh
@Steve I have to disagree with you that "patents are a form of openness" - and it would be interesting to take a poll in our immediate community here to see how many would agree. Having been through the process a few times - you have to come up with claims as broad as will be accepted by the reviewer. Claims are statements about experiments that you have not done to prevent other people from benefiting from similar work. Patents are legal instruments - not scientific documents - and certainly not open.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I would say patents are a form of publication - and if we are targetting the opening of notebooks upon publication as a viable goal then patents could legitimately be included amongst that. I have very little time for the current patent system as it works in practice but the principles it was founded on were of encouraging innovation by requiring disclosure before granting legal protection of the right to exploit. So disclosure is at the heart of what it is supposed to be about
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron said what I was thinking. I'm not informed enough for a debate, but I'll participate in your poll :) I feel in my gut that protecting valuable IP will both speed-up and maximize the impact of a new technology we invent (if we're lucky enough to do so). I'd love if one of my students wanted to start a company someday and our IP was used to obtain venture capital. I don't think patents are inherently evil. I plan on submitting disclosures when we can, and not worrying about international rights..
- Steve Koch
Steve - I think it would be worthwhile discussing your strategy with your IP office. I don't think the people I worked with over the years when I was getting patents would have agreed to file without the possibility of international rights. It is just too expensive for the institution to invest without the expectation of proper international protection. I don't think you can pursue ONS and IP at the same time - not about being evil - just about value priority. I would be curious to hear what they say.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
JC -- the people in our IP office here are quite good. I've been keeping them posted about my blogging etc., and they have been supportive and interested in helping us with our IP. They educate me on the repercussions of actions, but aren't trying to coerce me one way or another. In regards to international specifically, they did not seem as worried as your IP people. I got this same impression as a graduate student at Cornell. That doesn't make sense to me, but it's what they said, I think.
- Steve Koch
Steve - every place is different - I'm glad you're in communication with them and it should be interesting to see how it plays out.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Damn... - http://www.photodom.com/fullscr...
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That be bad. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
is that a puppy?
- Alfredo
no no human i believe, fully grown. :P Only messin, no Rufus is fully grown now
- Zee.
yeah, what's up with the inflatable blue puppy? was he aiming for it?
- Neil Bernhart
Heh, I've only just noticed the little blue puppy.
- Tyson Key
Lol yeah me too
- Zee.
woah!
- Mister Groonk
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Apple planning dual-core and quad-core iMacs? | Apple - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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That's not terribly surprising, no? Although I was hoping they would switch to i7 - A quad-core that can shut down two if its cores when not needed.
- sdfx
sounds like a natural progression for iMacs. I would think they would put the i7's in the Mac Pros.
- Rob
now i may wait... was planning a MacPro purchase this summer but this just might fill my video processing needs
- andy brudtkuhl
Got my first mac 5 months ago - 24" iMac... so this will be my first round of my-mac-is-old-now pain
- Blake Caldwell
Blake, I got my first Mac four years ago - still using it... you'll get used to the pain, unless you've got the cash to keep up, and in that case you'll only feel a little pinch ;-)
- Chris Heath
Aren't current iMacs already Core 2 Duo, i.e., dual core? I'm confused.
- David Chartier
David, I think the idea is that they won't switch exclusively to quad-cores.
- sdfx
Third party data repositories - can we/should we trust them? - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
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Just a thought: It may be worth separating out institutional-repository technology from institutional-repository people. Much current IR tech is remarkably poorly-suited to data -- however, the people who run IRs are as close to ideal for running a data-management and archival service as you'll find. IMHO, of course.
- D0r0th34
That's a good point. I always have in mind the wonderful future repository I would like (and I think can see some sort of route towards actually building) but don't deal with the process of how you move the technology from one to the other, while not just creating a nightmare for the people running them, who as you say are well suited and motivated to make it work, but also have to deal with the realities on the ground
- Cameron Neylon
We're as frustrated by the crappy tech we're stuck with as anyone. ;) But we like the problems and questions that taking care of data raises -- or I do, at any rate.
- D0r0th34
quote "If you can’t get your data out, don’t put it in there in the first place."
- Duncan Hull
Dilbert comic strip for 02/01/2009 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. - http://dilbert.com/strips...
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Unfortunately this is the way some companies do business.
- UltraRob
Angry senator wants pay cap on Wall Street 'idiots' - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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"An angry U.S. senator introduced legislation Friday to cap compensation for employees of any company that accepts federal bailout money. Under the terms of a bill introduced by Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, no employee would be allowed to make more than the president of the United States. Obama's current annual salary is $400,000. "We have a bunch of idiots on Wall Street that are kicking sand in the face of the American taxpayer," an enraged McCaskill said on the floor of the Senate. "They don't get it. These people are idiots. You can't use taxpayer money to pay out $18 billion in bonuses.""
- Thomas Hawk
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this is interesting legislation. Lets say Merrill Lynch pays their top brokers 45% payouts. What this would mean is that any broker who generated more than $900,000 in revenue at Merrill (many of the best do) would not be able to be paid beyond $400,000. You'd see a mass exodus and a big loss of revenue there from their top brokers who could go elsewhere or start their own shop and take their clients with them.
- Thomas Hawk
the logic here @Thomas is that if no one pays the bonus, then there is no reason to leave. An alternative would have been: no bailout, good luck, it's a system called capitalism. Then it would be worse than not getting the bonuses. Plus, if I give someone money to buy bread, the argument that whiskey seemed a better idea would be weird, no?
- Roland Hesz
And if no one pays the bonus, @Roland, there's not much reason to excel. Lack of motivation to excel = BAD FOR BUSINESS. DUH.
- Craig Eddy
She's playing to the crowd, or she's really ignorant of the way business transpires. Maybe both. I prefer politicians who investigate before they act.
- William Beem
@Roland, what I took from the quote was that only firms that accepted bailout money would have the cap. So, if the broker at Merrill Lynch decided he was going to start his own firm rather than take a huge pay cut, the cap would not apply to his new firm. Hence, the mass exodus Thomas mentioned.
- J. McConnell
"You'd see a mass exodus and a big loss of revenue there from their top brokers who could go elsewhere or start their own shop and take their clients with them." Which is fine. The good brokers will leave the failed banks and go to better institutions. ML will quickly figure out if those brokers were worth the dough.
- Jake Rome
@Roland, that logic doesn't work though. The legislation only applies to firms that take TARP money. If you are a top producing broker at any of these firms, you can jump ship to a firm that didn't take TARP money, or heck, even start your own firm and likely take almost all of your clients with you.
- Thomas Hawk
Caps should be *multiples* from the mean, not hard-coded numbers. http://tr.im/sharedfate is model that is Already Proven to Work. U.S. corporate multiple between average salary and execs is around 400x; Europe around 50x, Asia around 20x. WFMI has 20x in its charter and has been wildly successful in free market. Free Market *with* Fairly Drawn Boundaries to ensure Sustainable Liquidity Circulation: Mixed Economy? Yes. http://tr.im/mixedeconomy Basic Income? Yes. http://tr.im/bi Yes. http://tr.im/plusplus
- michael silverton
Any firm that took TARP money would lose their best commissioned sales people. At a minimum they might want to exclude commissioned sales people because they don't cost anything, they just get a part of what they bring in. Forcing a $3 million producer out (who generates 1.6mm for the firm and 1.4mm for him/herself) is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
- Thomas Hawk
@Roldano, what do cars and cameras have to do with stock brokers on Wall Street? I believe that is what this discussion is about.
- J. McConnell
capitalism theory also effectively states that paying out giant bonuses when your bottom line is tanking is a dumb idea, no matter how deserving staff is. Rich crybabies who leave because they didn't get millions in bonuses are just greedy, with no qualms about bankrupting their company or the nation of taxpayers backing them. Noone else in America has that sort of luxury. Heck, I'm happy to get my +4% a year (if any) as long as I can hold a steady job.
- Glenn Batuyong
Obama froze the salaries of his executive team and I doubt they get $millions in bonuses. Do you think they'll jump ship?
- Glenn Batuyong
What will happen is the TARP companies will open NON TARP companies and shift workers. The government will be left holding a bag of crapola while the new entity possibly flourishes. Welcome to America.
- Wayne Schulz
Obama froze the salleries of his team making in excess of $100,000 a year. For most people, $100K/yr is damn good money and nothing to walk away from. Plus, having any job at the white house on your resume looks damn good.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Big pay encourages better performance that's true. However with the kind of performance like these wallstreet type have been producing lately, I rather they don't do anything.
- Clarence Chiang
Wouldn't a lot of this go by the way side if we returned to a pre-Reagan progressive tax system. If the return on greed were curbed, we'd see a lot less of it.
- AJ Kohn
Actually, AJ, I think if we went to a flat tax then we'd see a lot less of this.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
...and noone's is saying that others shouldn't excel via compensation. But if you're an exec making a few million dollars in pay and you don't get another few million as a bonus, do you really feel THAT BAD about yourself and your work? Would it kill your lifestyle if you received a $5000 check instead? Did you really hate America enough that you would quit your lofty job in order to get a multi-million dollar bonus from somewhere else?
- Glenn Batuyong
@Jason: Flat ... maybe. I don't know, I mean, would A-Rod really have been so rabid about getting his $22 million a year if he wasn't really taking home nearly that amount. At present, there's is just too much incentive to grab big chunks of money. If less of that money found it into your wallet, the incentive to grab those big piles of cash would dwindle. I'm not saying don't provide incentives to excel and prosper, but simply to create a balance that provides incentives to prosper but not one for greed.
- AJ Kohn
It bears reminding, the way is forward, not back http://tr.im/postscarcity We're utterly failing to incorporate even a rudimentary understanding of the Accelerating Changes underway. The Justification Of Being (J.O.B) paradigm for resource circulation diminishes in both effectiveness and significance, moving forward. Obviously, work is not obsolete; but structural unemployment is the empirical result of Successful Maximization of Productivity. Acting surprised about that reveals unfinished homework.
- michael silverton
I don't think you should be punished for succeeding, though. The fact is, though, while the rich and obscenely rich are supposed to be paying large percentages of income on taxes, there are enough loopholes and "strategies" for them to find ways around it. with a flat tax and no extra codes you pay your 10% and that's it. no ifs, ands, or buts. I hope.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Competence should always be rewarded. Just because we prefer and wish for simplicity, doesn't mean the universe owes us easy answers. Would be nice if this tax, that tax, or some silver bullet would Just Fix Things; but our task is much more daunting; to alter the very commanding heights narrative of what it means to be America, hurtling toward the 22nd century. Five and ten year "get us back to normal" bandaids on this aortic aneurysm of terminally destructive resource skews are just not going to cut it.
- michael silverton
I understand the anger but believe the method does not resolve the root issue. I am all for paying for performance, that's capitalism and I have no problem with it. However the underlying structure of Corporate America is broken. The bailout money was a bad idea that simply layered a band-aid over a gaping wound.
- Karen Swim
but you see this is different than working at the White House. Theoretically those that go into Government service do so for more than just pay. Most stock brokers are not in the business really for anything but pay. While it's noble to assume that they will suck it up because it's the ethical thing to do, it's just not how that works. There is a huge difference between an executive and a commissioned salesperson. The later only gets a % of what they bring in.
- Thomas Hawk
It seems short sighted to me at least to pass laws that would encourage your real and direct revenue producers to leave. I could see limiting pay for executives, managers, etc. etc. but to cut the pay of your top revenue producers will only see them leaving a weaker company still for the Govt. to own.
- Thomas Hawk
more fun on this topic here: [http://friendfeed.com/e...]
- MikeAmundsen
I did think it was slightly amusing to see a senator call Wall Streeters "idiots" by the way and thought the photo of her that CNN chose was bizarre, she looks almost robotic.
- Thomas Hawk
+10 Karen: "the underlying structure of Corporate America is broken." Puritanical capitalism fails like all other puritanical religions; we live in a world of complex, hybrid problems that require thoughtful hybrid solutions. The media should be helping us to educate the public about this; stop the demonizing of socialism and doom mongering about "death" of capitalism and launch a narrative of past productivity success and consequent future adaptations Beyond Monolithic Industrial Era Capitalism.
- michael silverton
from twhirl
The reason why people want to legislatively impose pay caps, term limits, etc. is because the stockholders (for pay caps) and voters (for term limits) won't buck the system otherwise. Sad, but true.
- Ontario Emperor
If she wants to cap execs pay at $400,000 than we cap her pay at $1.00 she is supposed to serve we the american people. Let's see if she would work for what we the American people say she is supposed to work for.
- Russ Jackson
@Russ and your logic behind this is what? That a Senator is only worth a $1 a year? Just saying stuff doesn't make it logical.
- Justin Yost
that's just ridiculous, pay up prols, you know you want to
- Bob Sonin
Jason, Wall Streeters are definitely not worth more money but the fact of the matter is that they can generate revenue. Unless they are going to say that nobody working with investments period can make more than $400,000, I'm afraid applying it only to TARP banks is only going to have all the most valuable revenue producers in those firms leave. An exec or managers value can be argued. But revenue is revenue and very quantifiable.
- Thomas Hawk
She's just callin' em as they are, no?
- ::Kristen::
I think I'm missing something here... if all the overpaid/over-bonused execs decided to leave and form their own companies because of the caps, then it would help the market resettle because 1) they would really see what the market would bear in terms of their compensation and 2) we wouldn't have to bail out the failed companies anymore because they (the companies) would be gone. Seems like a good correction strategy to me from 5 minutes of contemplation. I'm sure there's a huge flaw in my logic though....
- Her Lindsay-ness
They should just cap everyone's salary at $400k, or put it to the investors to vote: and not 1 share 1 vote, but 1 shareholder 1 vote.
- Will Higgins™
ok, I'll try to make more sense of this if I can. Let's say you are a very smart broker. Lets say you called this bear market at just the right time and have consistently done really really well for your clients. You're not an exec, your not a manager, you work for your clients. You have 500 of them with an average account size of $1,000,000 and they, by choice, pay you 1% per year to manage their accounts.
- Thomas Hawk
What this means is that you generate $5 million per year in fees. Your clients love you and are happy to pay the 1% per year because you've consistently steered them right and done a really good job. Now at present lets say of the $5 million, $3 million per year goes to Merrill Lynch and $2 million goes to you. As the broker these clients recognize *you* are the one that has done well from them, not Merrill Lynch.
- Thomas Hawk
So now Merrill Lynch comes in and says, well, we're sorry. The govt won't let us pay you $2 million per year anymore. We can only pay you $400,000. We're sorry but those bonehead execs, mortgage traders and the what not put us in this position. This person says, but I generate $5 million every year for Merrill Lynch and have very happy clients to which Merrill Lynch says sorry, the law is the law.
- Thomas Hawk
So the broker says, ok, well, no law is forcing me to manage money for my clients at Merrill so I'll just go across the street to the firm that didn't take TARP money or start my own firm and all of the clients leave Merrill Lynch going with the broker that they've been working with for 20 years and who has consistently provided them valuable advice.
- Thomas Hawk
Now the Govt's asset is worth less because they just lost the $3 million per year in revenue they were keeping from this broker.
- Thomas Hawk
Unless you are going to cap what *every* broker can make *anywhere* the most successful, highest revenue producers with the best client books will just jump ship. There is anger because people think that anything over $400,000 is too much to pay someone. But unless you're really willing to cap *everyone* *anywhere* on Wall Street, this will only hurt TARP banks. Cap execs yes, cap managers yes, but if you cap your revenue producers you will end up hurting the taxpayers more.
- Thomas Hawk
My point is that if Merrill Lynch failed it is because they are not just paying those "good" brokers, but paying for lots of fluff and do-nothing-productive executives... So Merrill Lynch needs to go away... let the people who have proved their worth start their own companies, which will be leaner and better organized to do the actual job that needs to be done.. That's capitalism......
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- Her Lindsay-ness
And you know the first people who get laid off? Not the ones who get the highest salary, but the people who actually do the work in the company, many of which could be supported by getting rid of one of the big wigs.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Seems to me that commissioned brokers and executives ought to be compensated based on performance. Thomas's example above is an excellent illustration of how it ought to work. Bonuses should also be based on personal as well as corporate performance. Maybe the legislation should be rewritten to restrict bonuses based on performance. This would eliminate the situation we have seen with failing banks handing out large bonuses to their executives.
- Jeff P. Henderson
+100! Lindsay, I feel the same way!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Yes for performance bonuses (which of course means execs shouldn't be getting sh*t).
- cjmart
@Jason, starting another firm is easy. Or a broker could just as easy plug into any number of existing clearing firms that took no Govt. money like Linsco Private Ledger which pays brokers 90% payouts to start their own business. Firms that just focus on fees and services and that didn't invest in securities with their own capital are just fine right now.
- Thomas Hawk
New York State will take the hit: http://www.nypost.com/seven... Wall Street brokers pay taxes on those bonuses.
- Morton Fox
@Lindsay, right. Merrill Lynch failed because of bad decisions by execs, bankers and traders, not because of bad brokers necessarily. Some bad brokers, but those are not the ones making over $400,000 per year. The very best brokers who are making the most money are the ones that likely did the best job for their clients.
- Thomas Hawk
You can let Merrill Lynch (which is really BofA at this point) fail. But they are already on the hook for billions of dollars to the Govt. If they fail then the Govt never stands any chance of getting any of that back. If you gut the company by limiting the pay of revenue producers you're more likely to see the bank's best assets (their top revenue producers) scatter with nothing left but bankruptcy for the taxpayers. I think what you do is simply preclude revenue producers from the $400,000 cap.
- Thomas Hawk
the Govt. probably owns more of BofA at this point than anybody else.
- Thomas Hawk
Of course many of the top brokers at Merrill/BofA are already leaving on their own right now anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Lots of firms by the way took no TARP money. The small regional investment bank where I'm a partner took no TARP money. Many small regional investment banks and broker dealers will survive this just fine. It's mostly the larger firms/banks that risked their own capital in leveraged investments that are underwater at this point.
- Thomas Hawk
+100 Jeff P. for the +100 to Lindsay. Thomas is right, the new rules have to be Federal Statutes applicable to all; and the way to do it is with MULTIPLES. No human being operates in a vacuum, no matter how much they *claim* to generate *on their own* they don't do it on their own. A broker, like many professionals, is in a sociological position to which old norms serve to accrue credit for the work of armies down along side and below them.
- michael silverton
Economies are Circulatory Systems; just like our bodies, if 70% of blood is in 5% of a body, you're toast. The brain needs oxygen first and foremost, so it "hogs" the circulation first; but it cannot extract all the nutrients or the body dies. Same with cash flow of incomes. Cash might flow through an institution or vehicle first, but skimming 50% in commissions, bonuses, etc.; whatever the elaborate justification, kills the entire organism.
- michael silverton
Want a private sector only solution? It's relatively easy. Between 100 -400 people could create the most massive real stimulus the world has ever seen http://tr.im/90000 If thousands on the next tier participated, it could transform things literally overnight. Occasionally, *one* lone Warren Buffet or Bill Gates emerges, seeming to justify the entirety of the system of unsustainable skews. Such are rare exceptions to the rule. In reality, we all know who is hoarding the cash: ruthless private monarchs.
- michael silverton
So one way to redistribute the wealth of "ruthless private monarchs" might be to put a 100% estate tax on anything over $5 million. Since everybody dies at some point, accumulation serves a short period during one's life with ample proceeds to care for one's children but beyond that wealth redistributes.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas: Why would it be such a bad thing for the top performing brokers to leave these companies? If they accept bailout money they are essentially admitting that their management failed. If the brokers are valuable assets, they are valuable to the economy wherever they perform. If the management is so great the brokers will recognize that and stay until things are fixed, or they won't take the TARP money in the first place.
- Robin Barooah
@Thomas: isn't the worst possible outcome that the TARP money enables poor management to retain and profit from good performers, enabling them to repeat the same kinds of mistakes?
- Robin Barooah
Why do so many with so little tolerate & defend such a corrupt, inequitable system? Because deep down, too many of us hope that if the system stays as it is, WE might one day achieve that lofty station of ruthless private monarch, ourselves. Yes, the corruption starts with me and can end with me, by becoming a champion for changes to the system that eliminate my own chance of becoming a mighty robber baron and realizing my own human worth & market value cannot possibly exceed that of my neighbor by BILLIONS
- michael silverton
ahem folks, how many of you when buying mutual funds look at the paperwork assigning your shareholder voting rights to the MF management? STOP BELLYACHING AND START VOTING THOSE RIGHTS!
- Fred Grott
@Fred Gott, I'm actually surprised that social networks aren't used more effectively to enable shareholder activism. Perhaps it's happening and I'm just not aware of it...
- Cecyl Hobbs
It has to be a revenue bonus (no double/triple counting!) and not a performance bonus (too nebulous).
- ld
I thought people work for their salary. If you don't work for your salary, then there is something inherently wrong with you.
- Roland Hesz
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Sounds like a great idea but... isn't one universal password like having the same password anywhere?
- lelapin
That or the one-two punch of supergenpass & foxmarks(assuming in Firefox)
- Rodney L.
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- sofarsoShawn
clipperz.com - similar solution
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- Herb Hernandez
Lastpass if a good alternative that is free (so far at least) Works with IE and FF, mind you I am having an issue under Linux.
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from twhirl
I said it before, it's like a Windows version of 1Password
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it's been a firefox extension since 2.0 now, the new improved password keeper is "lastpass" #Universal #cross browser w/ form filling etc & portable USB
- sofarsoShawn
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