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John Dupuis
I just got Boing Boinged: http://boingboing.net/2013...
woot! congrats! - Sir Shuping is just sir
good job, sir - Meg V. Meg
Congratulations! - Betsy #TeamMonique
I know someone who going BoingBoinged. I feel faint... - barbara fister
I feel a little faint too. BB sure brings the traffic. - John Dupuis
Excellent - Hedgehog
We should totally play Six Degrees of BoingBoinged. (Well done, John.) - Catherine Pellegrino
Oh man! So cool! We are all first degree now! - laura x
dang, that's awesome. - Marie
Yeah, uh, this whole thing has been pretty wild. Up to nearly 12K page views, which is by far the most popular post I've ever done. Posts on the politicization of science in Canada have always been popular, but in the 1-2K page view range. - John Dupuis
Liked on Fb: 3.6K, Tweets: 763. Even 74 +1's on G+, for heaven's sake. - John Dupuis
But, how much has this been shared in friendfeed? - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Now it's slashdot and stumbleupon. - John Dupuis
Who did you pay, and how much? - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I wish I were that smart. I guess I should mention that I did submit the post to BB but I imagine they pick up only a very small portion of what's submitted. I suspected I would have a decent shot because Cory Doctorow is Canadian and he has posted about the Canadian goverment in the past. Aside from that, all I did was tweet it up a bit more than usual. - John Dupuis
Didn't know that there was a process for submitting posts to BB, and that is good to know. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Mary Carmen
Project Little Human initiated. ETA: November 11, 2013.
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Congratulations :) - Hedgehog
ha! i guessed right but i didn't think it proper to ask. Congrats! - Christina Pikas
#bleepyeahbuttercup. And congrats to the Nycest parents in the school. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Congratulations! - adf
Lol. Yes, mommy has hypermesis and has been home for the past month with no end in sight. Other than the constant vomiting everyone is healthy. - Mary Carmen from iPhone
woohoo! :) - Hieronymous Boosh
How wonderful! - Anne Bouey
CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so happy for the both of you.... - VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
Congrats! - Brent Schaus
Very happy for you both! - Friar Ticket to Ride
Thanks y'all. We strongly feel its a girl, but won't know for certain for a few more weeks. - Mary Carmen from iPhone
Congrats! Hoping they offer you a Zofran pump option! - Janet:#TeamMonique from FFHound!
WAHOO!! :D - Laura H.
Congratulations! - joey
HappyHappyHappyHappy!!! - Russian Space Lizard from FFHound!
Yay! Finally I can congratulate you! :) Maybe you can talk to Kate. - Running Slow
Congratulations!!!! - the king of the interweb
Congrats! - Gimminy
Congrats! - MoTO #TeamMonique
congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Sir Shuping is just sir
You know, "Barry" can be used with either gender. #justsayin *cough* - MoTO #TeamMonique
Lol....the baby is going to have a either a very Scottish name or a very Italian name. There seems to be no in between. - Mary Carmen
Congratulations!!! - Jennifer Dittrich
Congratulations, that is exciting! - Stephan Planken from iPhone
Christina: I also guessed right but also didn't want to ask. Also, congratulations! - Betsy #TeamMonique
Yeah, it was pretty obvious. But Scott wouldn't let me come clean till after the first trimester. - Mary Carmen
w00t! :-) - Steven Perez from Android
Congrats! - John (bird whisperer)
Wow, you've been breeding! FANTASTIC! Srsly congrats, lady :) - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Congrats! :) - LB: #TeamMonique from Android
I look forward to little Eva's debut on the podcast. OH NOEZ POSSIBLE FUTURE INFO CONTAMINATION OF TIMELINE DELETE COMMENT - Steven Perez
Hyphenate for the best of both: Guiseppe-Hamish if it's a boy, Carmine-Eilidh if it's a girl. - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo from iPhone
Hamish Kaidan or Isabella Suzanne.....no hyphens necessary. - Mary Carmen
Beautiful! - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Katy S from iPhone
Congratulations!! - Yolanda
Would be neat to deliver the 12th. 11/12/13 :) - Janet:#TeamMonique from FFHound!
Yay! I was so hoping that this was the secret! Congrats to you both. - Shannon - GlassMistress
I'd guessed this as well - and happy I was right. Nyce. ;) - Great Scott! Snow!
congrats! - imabonehead
Congratulations! - Harold
Yay! - Jed Harris-Keith from iPhone
Yay!!! :) - Micah
Congratulations!! - Rachel Lea Fox
Squee! Omg! - Mary B: #TeamMonique from iPhone
I wondered at one point with all the emesis. - Mary B: #TeamMonique from iPhone
Congratulations, you two!! <3 - Kelli H.
Yay! Congrats! I was wondering when you'd be ready to share. =) - Yvonne from FFHound!
Congratulations! - Son of Groucho
YAYAYAY!!! I wondered... :))) So happy for you guys!! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
The most awesome project you will ever undertake! Enjoy! - DJ Stevie Steve
Congratulations Mary and Scott! - Mike Nencetti
Yay! Congrats to you both :) - Jen
*bumpity* because it's MC and Scott. LITERALLY! - MoTO #TeamMonique
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!! - Headless Gnad Kicker
Congratulations, that's fantastic news. - Yvonne
Con'grats !! - Peter Dawson
LMP? :D - ووووزلا
Congrats!!! =D - David Cook
<3 Awesome. - Pixie
Yay! :D - Michael W. May
Congratulations! - Jim #TeamMonique
Congrats!!! So exciting!! - Georgia from iPhone
I just saw your pregnancy whine post and I think all of downtown Sac heard me say, "Wait, she's pregnant?" (scroll back scroll back scroll back, find announcement) Wow! Congrats to you and Scott. - Corinne L
Thanks, Corinne! - Mary Carmen
Congrats!!!! - Rachel Walden
Walt Crawford
I was thinking somebody (or pref. group) really does need to start an ethical Predatory Publishers List--but a better definition of predatory is needed. Splitting journals, lots of new journals, phony "sponsored" journals, republishing articles, excessive page charges, double-dipping...
[And I hear folks from Emerald, T&F, Elsevier saying "isolated incidents, we're the GOOD GUYS, we're PROFESSIONAL PUBLISHERS..."] - Walt Crawford
... that's a pretty good idea. - RepoRat
And the group that does it needs to be Scholars With Credentials, I think. (Ducks and runs.) Preferably scholars within libraries... and yes, I actually am more than half-serious about this. It might redeem a useful term from its currently debased state. - Walt Crawford
It sounds vaguely like Retraction Watch. I mean, you could have a similar format. - Meg V. Meg
I was thinking the same thing, Meg. - RepoRat
i love you people - jambina
I think that we have a good sense of criteria - it should be doable. - Sarah from FreshFeed
Sarah, you're connected -- any of your groups willing to take a project like this under their wing? I'd just as soon warn off barratry addicts if possible. - RepoRat
Let me see! - Sarah from FreshFeed
Should we cite the Phil Davis research that found all of the Emerald / MCB article republishing without attribution? - Yo Joe. No, go slow. from iPod
*want* (cannot help create) - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
"Publication Watch" lol - Meg V. Meg
Do we need to get an issn for /Publication Watch/? - Yo Joe. No, go slow. from iPod
Only if it's going to be a periodical--altho' getting an ISSN for an e-only publication is so easy even I was able to do it (13 years ago, for C&I, at no cost, took maybe five minutes). - Walt Crawford
Want, also. I'd be willing to help, if I can. - Grumpator
Let me make it clear: 1. I think this is a great idea. 2. I know better than to offer to help, for several reasons, some of them probably obvious. - Walt Crawford
This is a great idea - a cross between "retraction watch" and "regret the error" but for journal titles (TA and OA) that pull stupid journal tricks.. I'm in. Can we do it as a blog? Start with some overall "here's the problem" and add new examples as they arise? - barbara fister
"Stupid Journal Tricks" gets my vote for title. - Grumpator
we're trying to wrest the P-word away from Beall, though. - RepoRat
How about a blog titled Annals of Predatory Publishing Practices? - barbara fister
Just call it APEX ;) (Adumbrations of Predation Experience) - Pete #TeamMonique
(So many of our students pronounce it "Anal.") - barbara fister
Whatever we call it, it needs to have an awesome TLA or FLA. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Don't we have LSW hosting somewhere with a WPMU installation? (Was it Josh Neff's baby?) Could we just do a WP installation there. I would be happy to do legwork if someone wants to give me the carkeys to the site... - Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I have been holding out hope for "Aliens vs Predatory Journals". - Andy
^^^^^^^^ I endorse this. - RepoRat
(rolls sleeves up) I'm in. Bit of a techno-dolt, but will contribute labor. - barbara fister
And honestly? the sooner the better. The guy made page A1 of the New York Times for cripes sake. There needs to be a credible alternative. - barbara fister
Imma wait to hear back from Sarah. I'd like this to have organizational backing beyond the LSW. After that, though, I'm totally in. - RepoRat
Where I *can* help--down the road: If there's a reputable site with reputable, transparent criteria and reputable postings, I'll certainly promote it as a reputable way to look at publisher problems. As opposed to the disreputable way, only suitable for True Beallievers. - Walt Crawford
I'm excited about this - and yes, willing to wait and see if there's other interest out there for org. backing. - barbara fister
Jaclyn aka spamgirl
OK, a bunch of people here posted about being on the verge of getting BrowZine trials. What'd y'all think? Competitors that I've found are http://theonlinenewsstand.org/ and Read by QxMD.
Our trial is not set up yet #unhelpful - Meg V. Meg
I'm still waiting on Android. Is that out yet? Apple trial is no good for me. - Hedgehog from Android
We have Browzine, and it seems to work pretty good. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
did you get both platforms? (i* and android) - awd
We don't have the android yet, as far as I know. - Yo Joe. No, go slow. from iPod
UC Libraries had it on trial through end of April. I used the iOS version and I hope they pick it up as a regular service. - henry
I am a strong supporter of mobile platform development, but there's no way that my library is going to pay for an app that is charging us for content that we already have. The fact that they think that each platform is a separate cost item also suggests to me that they should be selling the app directly to users, and building it so that it connects to institutional content. - DJF from Android
You have to load your SFX into the thing though? I'm not sure how that would work if it were an app sold to individual users. They'd have no idea what they should have access to. - Meg V. Meg
SFX does offer APIs for developers that can connect to particular institutions' knowledge bases. It could be done. - Laura Krier
In fact, I would LOVE an app that let me connect to journals (and ebooks) that my institution subscribes to and save, organize, and annotate articles. - Laura Krier
Isn't that what's being done through BrowZine? My point is that, if the app were sold directly to individual users (rather than institutions), then how would the users have access to SFX holdings info. - Meg V. Meg
My impression from when I spoke to them -- before they split the platforms -- that this was a cost thing. They could get iOS up and running and bringing in money and then could work on the Android side (and they were seeing, at that time, significantly lower demand for Android). I guess my take is, these guys are clearly start-ups, and expecting them to be the Big Boys isn't the right... more... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm still pretty on the fence about BrowZine, so I;m really curious -- what made you tip to the trial? What about it makes you feel this is something enough users want and will use, to justify the price? And how are you telling folks? And how are evaluating whether or not to keep it? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Christina Pikas
virtual high 5 to L. Quilter who took ST down a peg on Liblicense.
Hint on ST? - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
(Sandy Thatcher?) - barbara fister
ding! that's the correct ST and here: http://listserv.crl.edu/wa... - Christina Pikas
L. Quilter has been v. awesome in my books since at least 1997. <3. - Marianne
I said something mean about Thatcher then deleted it. Instead I'll say--is he ever useful, or is he just a full-time troll? - Steele Lawman
I've known her online since 1995 or so, previous life and all that. Was just plain shocked to cross paths with her in library land! She's fantastic. (also: super thrilled to have no idea who ST is. do I need to?) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
He said something nice about DPLA on Secret Agent Fister's latest IHE column. I was surprised. Unless it wasn't actually him! - RepoRat
I find Thatcher confusing--I don't think he's a full-time troll, but I'm mostly not sure what he is or believes. One of the few people who talk about OA who I really can't pin down. (Almost like I used to be, perhaps?) - Walt Crawford
On this particular list he has to comment multiple times on every single thread regardless of the relevance on his running the penn state press (and retiring some time ago). I'm sure he makes some good points but geez. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Sandy's one of several reasons I unsub'd from that list and one other. Dude just talks too much. - Bill Hooker
He had a draft concept for OA books back in 1996 http://www.psupress.org/news..., but he seems to be so anti-OA today. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Marie
Post your Google Scholar profile links here:
Oh and I am supposed to do a class on Google scholar profiles and Google scholar metrics on top of the usual Scopus/Wos for citation analysis at the end of this month. Me thinks, I am going to get lots of questions.... done all the reading but...going to be interesting .... - aarontay
i think i might put a copy of this in my annual review packet this year. i wonder if anyone uses this to supplement their web of science citations, for tenure? seems like goog picks up more than wos does because it's not concerned about what's indexed. - Marie
Barbara huh? Did you set up 2? Both are verified with institution emails?? - aarontay
No "verified" email since I'm not institutionalized, but: http://scholar.google.com/citatio... - Walt Crawford
aaaaaaagh, now I'm spending the entire dang afternoon reading stuff that's cited me recently. - RepoRat
For comparison, here's my profile in Microsoft Academic, which I see needs some cleanup, as the profile includes articles by others. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author... - Stephen le Francoeur
i've really enjoyed perusing all your profiles. any other peeps want to share theirs? - Marie
we have some influential peeps all up in here. - RepoRat
http://scholar.google.com/citatio... My sparkline looks not unlike Dorothea's until you realize that hers goes up to 40-something on the Y-axis and mine goes to...two. :D Also I just now saw the completely poker-faced abstract of "Library Survey Survey" in LISTA. lulz. *disappears inside his own navel* - Steele Lawman
http://scholar.google.com/citatio... Added my book chapter :-D Must get other stuff up there... - Hedgehog
I got really lucky with my undergraduate research projects in Chemistry. :) Otherwise my citation counts would be fairly low. - Elizabeth Brown
Wow, y'all are super impressive. Here's my less illustrious profile http://scholar.google.com/citatio... - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Micah
My heart ached at the news of Roger Ebert's death. His personality shared with, and service to the public is tremendous. My memory of watching Roger and Gene tussle over the merit of a film, in the living room with my dad is a profound one. What I want to express most is my gratitude. Thank you.
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barbara fister
Did you get your letter from Mellen yet? Better go check my mail.... Rick Anderson's SK posts removed. http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013...
Looks like a job for Popehat - Pete #TeamMonique
... okay, it is time to squash this SOB like a bug -- and for once I don't mean SKitch. - RepoRat
Wow! - Christina Pikas from iPhone
WHOA. I guess they're taking the scorched earth approach? When you've made one big mistake in public, that just means it's time to double-down! - Amandadon't from Android
I am REALLY curious to see if I get one. - laura x
ooooh, they better not. *flicks switchblade* - RepoRat
Wow. Also, it will be interesting to see how a New York lawyer with a New York client attempting to sue U.S. residents, can manage to get that into Canadian courts, since their chances under U.S. libel/slander laws are almost nonexistent. But mostly, wow. - Walt Crawford
Original post and comments are still on the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web... - laura x
Holy fucking shit. I mean, HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Sorry, I meant HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT. - Andy
I don't have much love for SK, but that shit ain't right. - Andy
Love it. - Meg V. Meg
Andy speaks for me. - RepoRat
+1000000 Andy. No letter for me yet either, and you would figure what with the whole Canadian thing.... Plus now I feel guilty about mocking SK with my planned April 1 post, so I may refrain. - John Dupuis
I think we should crowdsource editing that letter since I noticed some errors in it. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
So, let me get this straight: people who offer negative reviews or opinions will get sued. This means reviewers are less likely to review their books for fear of reprisal. Less reviews means less exposure for their titles. Less exposure means less likely to be seen to be purchased. Less purchases means less sales for the company. That's their plan? - Andy
I'm wondering if Library Journal has any reviews of their books up right now. - Andy
I am playing safe, not even retweeting such blog posts. - aarontay
But cease and desist letters are so much fun! - laura x
If they are venue hunting, Aaron might be in more trouble if his country's laws are more lenient on these kinds of speech issues. - Andy
Good point. My apologies. - laura x
Canada has terrible laws around this stuff. gah. - jambina
I wonder if they'll send a letter to the Internet Archive to take down the record of the SK site... - Andy
and then to every other person who saved their own copy of it, like i just did. :) - Christa
I'm seriously considering mirroring those posts, just to do it. This is crazy. - Jason Griffey from iPhone
IF you mirror an image capture, can they cease a photo? - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Techdirt's on their ass. Pass the popcorn. http://www.techdirt.com/article... - RepoRat
Have I mentioned that I got a nice email in response to my blog post from the guy who wrote Envy of Excellence (the book published by Edwin Mellen about the firing of its founder from the U of Toronto)? - laura x
Laura, that's awesome to hear. It's a good reminder that the authors are NOT the issue here, but the publisher. - Andy
Also, I'm wondering how much it costs them to write a cease & desist letter for each person. - Andy
Well, since the attorney in the SK letter has an @mellenpress email address, I'm assuming no more than what they normally pay her. - laura x
HFS. I go offline for ONE DAY and this goes down. Sheeeeeeeeee-it. - Catherine Pellegrino from iPod
I like how the EM website lists how many of their books are held at major research unis. Methinks these numbers won't be growing... http://www.mellenpress.com/newreas... - Megan loves summer
it's wwwwwwwwwwwwwweeding time! - RepoRat
It seems odd to establish your bona fides by listing how many books were sold to this and that library. Also "we require a literature review." Oh, well that's all right then. - barbara fister
So does a freshman comp prof... - lris
This whole thing is making me nostalgic for dear old Sergio. - lris
Hey, speaking of Sergio, did anyone see in the SK comments that bit about "Thomas Kelly" and his mysterious, copious, and word-for-word comments in defense of EMP all over the Internet? And how, after they were noted, they started disappearing? - Catherine Pellegrino from iPod
Techdirt picked up on that bit. Astroturf ain't nothin' new. Be nice if one of the blogs in question could grab an IP address. - RepoRat
Oh, oops, I misremembered where I'd seen that dissected.. I do wish they'd grabbed an IP address or three. - Catherine Pellegrino from iPod
I hereby give you permission to weed either of the books associated with my father (one by, one about). Although if you do, I'll buy 'em off you. They want me to donate them to the Philolexian Society library, but I don't have the dough to buy new copies. :) - laura x
Meg V. Meg
You guys, Breaking Bad is just an elaborate advertisement for Beilstein-Gmelin #chemistrylibrariansrepresentrepresent
There's room for it all, as we mingle at the ball. - Meg V. Meg
I was an ersatz science librarian for a few years, and I know for sure that Beilstein is the shit, that the answer to pretty much any hardcore chemical property question is in there, and that I would never be able to find the answer in a million years. - Steele Lawman
It's better now. They have...how you say...a "web interface"? Well, except it doesn't include some (many?) of the older German volumes. - Meg V. Meg
Ah, I recall them as a few shelves worth of imposing tomes. - Steele Lawman
$tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
w00t! I just got asked by a research prof. in my department to serve on a panel at Department's Annual Research Conference (like LIS' ASIS&T). so excited!! Topic: finding online resources to help teach diversity.
Steele Lawman
Mr 11, speaking to his parents: "You guys have Tumblrs? You don't have MySpace pages, do you?"
I blame Michael Stephens! - Steele Lawman
I know what Mr. 11's parents keep in their tumblers, and it ain't web memes. - Stephen le Francoeur
Bottoms up! - Steele Lawman
wonder how he'd respond to a Geocities page? Blank stare? - RepoRat
Wait, does that mean Tumblr has jumped the shark? - Laura Norvig from iPod
Son, I got 99 probs and maintaining a Gopher site might be one. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Interesting...that NYT article implied tumblrs were taking over from FB. - Hedgehog from Android
Shit, man. I mean, what are we *supposed* to do, now that Posterous is gone? - Meg V. Meg
I think his reaction was more "hunh, I thought Tumblr was cool..." - Steele Lawman
That's what I thought at first but then throwing the MySpace question in made me unsure. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Anecdata says 'kids' are moving away from Facebook because the ads and uninteresting stuff are overwhelming - awd
My niece and her friends (high school students) have moved mostly off Facebook. First they went to twitter, but now they seem to be at pheed. Who knows what's next. - Katy S
No idea what's hot for teens, but Tumblr is where all the good fandom stuff goes to die and/or destroy souls, etc, etc so you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands, probably. - MontglaneChess
If they don't like ads and uninteresting stuff, they are gonna hate adulthood. - Steele Lawman
My daughters, 19 and 22, live on Tumblr. - Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
My 20 year old uses Facebook a lot. Not sure about Mr. 17. At one point he was a heavy Fb user but that may have changed. - John Dupuis
Miss16 is a Facebooker. Miss13 does not want any part of it. "I do not want a Facebook account... I see how it sucks your lives away and I think that's stupid." - awd
John: Thread Killer
I'm formatting ebooks and I just want to give some love and admiration to Walt because I wouldn't be able to do it without his book: THE LIBRARIAN'S GUIDE TO MICRO PUBLISHING. Thanks Walt!
You're welcome. I would say "tell your friends" but you're doing that. So, thanks to you also. - Walt Crawford
I tell everyone I can. I'm hoping to make this into a program at my library (potentially even making the library into a publisher). - John: Thread Killer
I must admit: You're one of those I would think wouldn't really learn anything from the book that you didn't already know, so I really do appreciate the compliment. - Walt Crawford
Steele Lawman
James Franco vs. Stephen Colbert, Tolkien showdown. - http://niwandajones.tumblr.com/post...
The huz laffed his ass off. :) - RepoRat
Awesome! - Betsy #TeamMonique
http://bettermyths.com/ has been taking on the Silmarillion. His take on Aule/Yavanna is particularly amusing. - RepoRat
Yes, of course I thought of David first. :) - Steele Lawman
laura x
an open letter to the Edwin Mellen Press | lis.dom - http://www.newrambler.net/lisdom...
Wonderful. Just wonderful. - barbara fister
Thank you for this. - RepoRat
You're welcome. I am only sorry that repeated bouts of illness meant it took me so long to write. - laura x
maʀtha
LSW: Origins [edited]
Once upon a time, when the stars attained certain positions in the sky, the Libraryfolk would gather. In their sensible shoes and plastic-framed glasses, they would ride the escalators up and down, down and up. They would zig and zag to avoid unscrupulous vendors in the exhibit hall. They would brave receptions to forage for sustenance and drinks. They would search in vain for passable coffee. In their sweaters and pashminas, they would shiver in underground caverns with poor wifi, listening to the drone of the Elders. And so it was, year after year, season after season, for such are the ways of our people. - maʀtha
Every now and again, there would be one among them who would say, quietly and firmly, "Enough". She would slip away to a hallway or a lobby corner, sit on the floor, plug in her portable electronic devices, and wait. - maʀtha
[please to continue the tale] - maʀtha
*nudge* - maʀtha
you set the bar pretty high here. It's going to be tough to match your prose. - DJF
well, I wasn't around in the earliest days, so my knowledge of those times is limited. I came in after the meebo room was well established, and the PB Wiki. Maybe someone could tell me a bit more about that time period and I could resume? - maʀtha
for example, which came first, lobbyconning, tweeting, or blogging? who were among the first lobbyconners? - maʀtha
Calling Steve 'n Iris. Steve 'n Iris to the white courtesy phone. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I knew all of this once, my brain is just crapping out on me :) - maʀtha
Hm. Well on Twitter, Josh Neff made a joke about establishing a new organization called the Library Society of the World. It started as a wiki on pbwiki...oh, it's still there http://librarysociety.pbworks.com/ The people who were interested were what was once known as the "biblioblogosphere." The lobbycon was the big group of blog people who would drink and talk all night in the... more... - Steele Lawman
rats, so the tweeting was before the lobbyconning, my sequence is all wrong. that disrupts my entire narrative. hrm. stupid reality. - maʀtha
I still might be able to make this work. - maʀtha
But I am guessing that a lot of the LSWers knew each other from blogs before twitter came to the fore? I came to blogging too late to know the full history of the LSW. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I found out about LSW from a blog (Steve's or Josh's?) before I joined the Meebo room. It took me a long time to join twitter. - maʀtha
I found out about the LSW from Meredith in an American Libraries mag article. [Let me see if I can find the citation...Or maybe it was something she wrote about in her blog.] - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I found out about LSW chat room from someone...I think CIL maybe? I do remember that the first two people I talked to in the meebo chat room were these people named grasshopper librarian (martha) and pegasus librarian (iris) who were both very, very nice to me. especially since I think I was stuck in an airport - Sir Shuping is just sir
April 27th, 2007, Josh tweeted about being fed up with ALA dues. Then he tweeted about starting the library society of the world. People were to tweet back their names and titles in this organization. It was a total joke for a while, with people adding names and bylaws to the wiki he started that day. I added the bylaw that we would always be one short of a quorum. I still stand by that bylaw. Another bylaw was that there would never be any dues. - lris
I consider myself a founding member, having joined on that day and added a bylaw to the wiki. I'm sure there are a lot of other founding members. - lris
Bingo, this is how I learned of the LSW. http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpre... - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Then came the meebo room. Then came the CIL presentation with Laura Harris, Steve Lawson, at least two other people, and a room full of meebo room users projected on the wall (including Jason Griffey and Walt Crawford and many many others). THEN came Friendfeed, which I joined reluctantly, feeling like it was a fad and not nearly as easy to use as Twitter... So judge my opinions of new things wisely in future. - lris
I believe that I was around at the start, but I no longer have any recollection of it. - laura x
I met you because you were there, so I believe you were there at the start as well. - lris
Anybody have a link to the Neff tweet? - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I looked for that a few years back with no luck. - lris
I can fix the storyline! I'm going to eat, first, though, so hang tight. - maʀtha
I can't wait to read the Dragons and Windmills section. - John Dupuis
jambina
niiiiiiiiiice! - RepoRat
way to go joe! well deserved. - kendrak
congrats - Walt Crawford
Well done, Joe! - Catherine Pellegrino
That is excellent. - Steele Lawman
Yay Joe! Well deserved indeed! - Heather Piwowar
awwright! go Joe! - barbara fister
Congratulations! - Mary Carmen from iPhone
Aw shucks. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Sweet! - Yvonne
Congrats! W00t - John Dupuis
Way to go Joe!!! - laura x from BuddyFeed
lris
So as it turns out, and contrary to my expectations, I'll be going to ACRL this year.
OMG OMG OMG OMG I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN SO LONG OMG - jambina
:-D - lris
this news has totally made my day. YAYAYAYAY! - jambina
It has been YEARS since we've seen each other. Far far too long. :-) - lris
woo, Indy! - MontglaneChess
Squeeeeeal!! I HAVE to see you!! - Lily
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! - Catherine Pellegrino
Will you ACRLers please promise not to skip the all-conference reception? It will be bomb to have drinks with you. - kaijsa
Ooh, I'd get to meet Kaijsa! - lris
Seriously? I'd get to meet Iris! - kaijsa
Ooooh Indy! Thats only a 2 hour drive from place....I could drink with Iris! - Eric Sizemore
Eric - even better you can probably get a ride since there are like 35 of us from library/gslis making our way there! :) - Lisa Hinchliffe
SIZEMORE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN FOREVEREVEREVER. that is all. - jambina
I would love to see you, Iris! - Laura H.
Derrick
If you were going to be on an evening talk show, what song would you want the band to play as you walk out to your introduction?
A Fools History Part 1 by Something For Kate - Johnny from iPhone
"It's Log!" from Ren & Stimpy. - Jennifer Dittrich
Everything Little Thing She Does Is Magic by The Police - Just Kidée: Road Warrior
More Bounce to the Ounce. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
"Pick Up the Pieces" by the Average White Band. - c.a.j.
"Bullet In The Head" or "I Get Around" - Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Rage Against the Machine "Pistol Grip Pump" - SteVe C
Baby Got Back. - Marie
All the songs I like and would use, I think I'd just walk out and dance the whole time. Cause y'all know I'm a fan of the impromptu dance party. - Derrick
Heh. I once set up a soundtrack for my old softball team. I had everyone pick a song and I would take 15 sec out of it to make a theme song for when they walk up to the plate. - Rodfather
I forgot what I chose. Probably AC/DC - Rodfather
Probably something by Parliament, or Prince, but again, give me the chance to dance the entire song and I will. - Derrick
Brick House. Even if it's not really true. - Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
I forgot Public Enemy's "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" - Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Hah Rodfather I did that too for our One Hit Wonders softball team - Jersey name and song for me :How Bizarre - SteVe C
"Street Fighting Man" by the Rolling Stones - Jed Harris-Keith from FFHound!
Groove is in the Heart or Lovefool. - Chris Z.
Space Cowboy by Jamiroquai - Bren
Walking on Sunshine - Micah from Android
"That Mule, Old Rivers & Me" http://www.youtube.com/watch... or maybe "Pretty Woman" by Roy Orbison - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
I need to make a playlist on Spotify. - Derrick
KT Tunstall, "Miniature Disasters" or possibly "Still a Weirdo" - RepoRat
Joan Jett, "Bad Reputation." Also, I love this thread. - laura x from BuddyFeed
Queen Bitch by David Bowie - Mary Carmen
Shake A Tailefeather - Ray Charles - Joe "Funkasaurus" Pierce
Some arrangement of "Laura" by David Raksin and Johnny Mercer. ETA: I'll go ahead and pick the Spike Jones version. - LB: #TeamMonique
U2's "She Moves in Mysterious Ways. " - ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Easy Does It, Oscar Peterson - Lisa | #TeamMonique from Android
Anything with the "Bo Diddley" beat. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
On a more serious note (as compared to my prior contribution): "The Pilgrim" by Kris Kristofferson. - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
The "Mission Impossible" theme. - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I like Vancouver's Carnival Band's cover of "Cissy Strut". The surdo drum gives it an incredible propulsive kick. (30 second sample here: http://www.rhapsody.com/artist... ) - Andrew C (✓)
wait, can I change mine? Yakkety Sax probably fits me better, even though it doesn't have the coolness. - Joe "Funkasaurus" Pierce
For some reason, the first song that came to mind when I pictured this was 'Little Red Corvette'. I just learned something about myself. Haha. - joey
White and Nerdy by Weird Al - ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple. - Kelli H.
Killer Queen by Queen - Katy S
Bad Body Double by Imogen Heap or Gold to Me by Ben Harper - jambina
+1 million to Mandy; that song is the ringtone I use for my BFF in Chicago. As for me, it would be the Mark Ronson/Daptone Horns cover of "God Put a Smile upon Your Face." - Corinne L
Either "The Seeker" by The Who or "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen. - Russian Space Lizard from FFHound!
Bon Jovi's It's My Life - Elena
Zappa's The Black Page, preferably performed on the bagpipes. seriously. - Kevin Johnson
Crazy Train. - Gimminy
Rock Box. Run-DMC - Eric - seven eleven
"I Might Be a Cunt" by TISM. - Hookuh Tinypants
this is the end x the doors - chaz2b
"You spin me round" by Dead or Alive - esther
Immigrant Song - Led Zeppelin. - Xabaras (G.O.)
Blake's Got A New Face. - Blake
Dude Looks Like A Lady -- (I don't. Honest. No one has EVER mistaken me for a lady. Ever.) - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Valerie by Steve Winwood - VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
Helicon 2 by Mogwai - Pete #TeamMonique
Pink, probably either "Raise Your Glass" or "I'm Comin' Up" - Hedgehog
Kiss Them for Me by Siouxie - t-ra: not givin up
Where are we now? - Bowie. - Le Slip Anglais from Android
Altrimenti ci arrabbiamo! - Coro dei pompieri http://www.youtube.com/watch... - ello fizgherard
Alternately this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... at about 1:45 in - MoTO #TeamMonique
This one is the one I mentioned above: http://www.youtube.com/watch.... I'd start about 1:25 in. :) - LB: #TeamMonique
Girl on Fire - MiniMage
I'm surprised that nobody went with Rocky's theme, Eye of the Tiger or Shaft's theme song, but I'm gonna go with Santana's "Oye Como Va" - CarlC, spelling expert
"Here Comes Trouble" -- Bad Company - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
it's taken me days to make up my mind, but it's Hot Girls in Good Moods by Butch Walker. #oharentyousurprised - holly #ravingfangirl
ok, i lied. it's She Likes Hair Bands by BW. (can i have both?) - holly #ravingfangirl
Pink Floyd's San Tropez...and I would come out skipping to it. (and those that know me well and have known me for awhile would get a real laugh out of it, and wonder where the flying watermelons are.) - April Russo
LibrarianOnTheLoose
Congrats to Kendra for her SLA Rising Star Award!!! WOOO!!!!
Thank you! I couldn't have done it without you. XOXO - kendrak
Woot! - Jenica
YAYAYAYAYAY! - jambina
Super congrats. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Wooooo! Congrats! :) - Rachel Walden
Dude, it was your record of accomplishments that speaks for itself. BASK IN YOUR AWESOMENESS - LibrarianOnTheLoose
John (bird whisperer)
Sandwiched: Grilled Cheese Sandwich with Sun-Dried Tomatoes and Harissa | Serious Eats - http://www.seriouseats.com/2013...
Sandwiched: Grilled Cheese Sandwich with Sun-Dried Tomatoes and Harissa | Serious Eats
"A grilled cheese sandwich and a bowl of tomato soup are perhaps the most comforting of soup and sandwich combos. For me, the mere mention of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup always seems to conjure memories of rainy days from my youth —though I'm not sure if I'm actually remembering events from my own childhood, or some Kraft and/or Cambell's soup commercial. As an adult, the combination is still just as comforting, but for convenience's sake, here's a way to incorporate the soup into the sandwich. A grilled cheese sandwich made with sharp white cheddar cheese is given new life when studded with sun-dried tomatoes, and spread with harissa, a spicy Tunisian condiment of various red peppers. And instead of using butter to brown and crisp this sandwich, dip a pastry brush into the olive oil in which the sun-dried tomatoes were packed. Then lightly brush the outer sides of the sandwich with the infused oil for an additional hit of tomato essence. A grilled cheese sandwich with sun-dried tomatoes and Harissa—a spicy soup and sandwich all in one." - John (bird whisperer) from Bookmarklet
Huh. I love the idea for using the oil the tomatoes are packed in (though I usually buy ones that aren't packed in oil, since they're messy to prep.) - Jennifer Dittrich
I was intrigued by that too, though one could probably just use regular olive oil for a similar effect. - John (bird whisperer)
I'd eat that. - Jim #TeamMonique
I'm hungry now :p - moreya
I have been adding fresh grated parmesan to the outside lightly buttered bread before frying. I also just made pepperjack tomato soup. :) - Janet:#TeamMonique
Meg V. Meg
Quick, someone please stop me from purchasing a math textbook that comes with 3D glasses.
I think you have to. - kendrak
How about you buy it and send it to me. Sounds cool! ;-) - John Dupuis
Now I'm thinking we should always have 3D glasses available for checkout "just in case". - Meg V. Meg
Do you have a link for it? - John Dupuis
math? geology and I would get it. *remembers crossed eyes from stereoscope images* - RepoRat
RR is right, and also astronomy, holy shit. I never could wrap my head around the 3D imaging required for that. - Catherine Pellegrino
Very cool! If it wasn't $cdn174 I could somehow persuade myself to buy a copy for my son. The ebook is more reasonable but I don't imagine you get the 3d glasses -- but the 3d stuff you could do online would be cool. - John Dupuis
How else are you supposed to see the Z axis? - Andy
Oh, wait. It looks like you could buy the manipulative kit separate from the print book. Hmmm. - John Dupuis
Not sure why exactly, but this book connected in my brain to this post I saw the other day: http://www.alex-reid.net/2013... - John Dupuis
How about more pop-up books! I remember getting this LHC book the other year, http://popupbook.web.cern.ch/popupbo... or http://www.atlas.ch/popupbook/ - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Lily
Poster session for ACRL accepted - maybe I'll see some of you there! :)
Woo! - lris
Iris, please tell me you or at least some of you all will be going, pretty please! - Lily
woot! and yay! - Sir Shuping is just sir
congratulations! that's fabulous. - RepoRat
Wahoo! I will attempt to find you there! - Catherine Pellegrino
Congrats!! - Jen
Congrats! - Hedgehog
Yay, my roundtable got accepted too! - Meg V. Meg
Yay Meg! I'll make sure to add it to my schedule (along with any other FFer presentations, I hope)! - Lily
lris
The first act of the Strategic Planning Task Force was to strategically replan the Strategic Planning Task Force's official charge. #obstreperous
aarontay
Just needed to say this. we got our libraryh3lp chat widget in ebscohost databases... :)
Go, Aaron! - Marie
You are on fire, dude - maʀtha
Taking me a while but I am closing in on...http://musingsaboutlibrariansh... (note the date) - aarontay
Marie
Dogfish head palo santo marron is a tasty beer.
Sarah G.
For those playing along at home, biopsy reports just came in and I don't have cancer. <whew>
Oh, Sarah, hooray. :) - Jenica
\o/ - SAM
Yippeee!!! - lris
Hooray! - ellbeecee
rock - jambina
FABULOUS! - RepoRat
Wonderful! - LB: #TeamMonique
Hazah!! - Jen
*dances the F cancer dance* - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo from iPhone
This is the best news all month! - Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Wonderful news! - Lois Loves LB and Mr. B
so much exhaling going on over here. fantastic news! - Marie
Yahoo . Always good news :) - Peter Dawson
Thanks, all. The type of tumor I have is usually non-cancerous so I wasn't *that* worried, except in the past week I convinced myself that maybe I did have cancer because FML when it comes to medical issues. So it's a great relief. - Sarah G.
What a relief! - Stephan Planken from iPhone
So glad that was the result! Knowing it isn't likely, and really knowing it isn't can be such a huge difference. - Jennifer Dittrich
Fandamntastic! - Betsy #TeamMonique
HURRAH! - Ruth Kneale
Excellent news, Sarah! - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Wonderful news! - Anne Bouey
That is the best news I've heard in ages. - laura x from BuddyFeed
that's terrific news!! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Great news!!! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Oh, so much yay, here. So glad to hear that, Sarah. So very glad. - MoTO #TeamMonique
I want to like this again, every time i see it come back through my feed. - WebGoddess
Heather Piwowar
I just had a comment published in Nature! Is about the NSF valuing more than just Publications, and how altmetrics will help.http://www.nature.com/nature... (free for 1-2 weeks) Working on blog post about it...
In the meantime, David Colquhoun has decided to make his distaste for altmetrics personal by discrediting the messanger. Since I have you guys to thank for increasing my awareness of classic derailing techniques, figured I'd point it out: https://twitter.com/david_c... - Heather Piwowar
I've responded to him w facts about my credentials and an open offer to talk about the substance of his claims. It isn't the first time he's taken this approach. Yknow, if you don't like the ideas, talk about the ideas. - Heather Piwowar
what a dick - jambina
because wetlab experience is what matters? Doesn't he know that the only sciences are the hard ones? - DJF
I read his tweet and your response and actually said "hoo!" out loud quietly to myself in my office. Well done. - Catherine Pellegrino
Because whatever he considers real scientists are all really smart and correct all the time about altmetrics. Or not. - Rachel Walden
Real scientists don't care about data. or something. - DJF
Ah, but are you a managerialist or a quack? jambina +1 - John Dupuis
Classy response! Go you :) - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I agree with Christina. It's clear he was completely unprepared to be called on his classless remarks. - John Dupuis
Did you also respond to that blog post I forwarded to you? Let me see if I can find it. http://plested.wordpress.com/2013... - Yo Joe. No, go slow. from iPod
Actually, I'd be interested in some pointers to a refutation of the blog post from Run Joe Run above - it does seem that many altmetrics capture the attention garnered by a some aspect of research. But how does one extract meaning from that? - Rajarshi Guha
gosh :( - Ross Mounce
You'd think someone against managerialsim ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) would actually *support* the broadening of research evaluation. I don't think he's read enough around the subject. Seems to be caught on the straw-man argument that it's just raw uncontextualised numbers of tweets and facebook likes. - Ross Mounce
@Rajarshi you might be interested in my refutations against some of the misunderstandings about altmetrics here on this thread: http://occamstypewriter.org/boboh... - Ross Mounce
Thanks Ross. The comment thread there is quite interesting - but the sense I get from is that while citation stats focus on scholarly usage, the altmetrics focus on social media citations (tweets etc) is more oriented towards public/popular usage of research. Certainly, it seems to be linked to how connectd you are. I'd guess there's some sort of 'rich get richer' effect at play in these metrics (?) - Rajarshi Guha
"Rich get richer" is a recurrent problem, everywhere. It caused by human nature, sadly. Despite our "civilization", humans are still selfish bastards: "feed my own children first". Fortunately, many people do realize that doing that *can* also be beneficial for other children. Sadly, many don't (or don't care or worse). And then there is a class of people who mix up trust and science:... more... - Egon Willighagen
Now, back to #altmetrics... it *is* a really important question: what is impact. Too many people do not see that metrics are tools (estimates) of what we are really interested in. But since we do not have clear what we really are interested in (except food for the children), it is hard to rank metrics. Worse, people think they understand what those metrics estimate, and are often wrong.... more... - Egon Willighagen
Additionally, we need good (open) diagrams showing how various impacts relate to each other... "without visibility, no impact" (whatever those mean). Each connection will be linked to literature about that link. For example, does higher accessibility lead to higher citation counts? - Egon Willighagen
Finally (and then I'll try to do some "science" again, hahahaha!) we need better tools for measuring thing. For example, can we please finally start taking CiTO serious and start pushing that massively? - Egon Willighagen
+1 for CiTO :) - Ross Mounce
What is CiTO ?? - Graham Steel
After a brief twitter exchange, this guy is clearly an "everything worthwhile must be in traditional journal articles" fellow, with no apparent interest in either acknowledging his rudeness to Heather or in seeing anything of value outside of traditional publishing methods. - Rachel Walden
@Graham: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode... CiTO, the Citation Typing Ontology, is an ontology for the characterization of citations, both factually and rhetorically. It forms part of SPAR, a suite of Semantic Publishing and Referencing Ontologies. - Ross Mounce
It's not just some ideological 'great idea' vapourware either. Citeulike has had it implemented for ages http://jodischneider.com/blog... trouble is marking up the relationships is currently all manual. If anyone has some semi-automated approaches / workflows I'd love to hear about it - Ross Mounce
Wow, Rachel masterfully shows how it is done, here https://twitter.com/rachel_... and in subsequent tweets. Thanks for calling him on it in public, Rachel. Whether I'm a scientist or not shouldn't matter (though he's got no leg to stand on to say I'm not), let's talk issues. - Heather Piwowar
+1 for CiTO. I dunno the best way to push it though, no tool yet that makes it easy. I think it'd have to be a tool that automatically classifies them when you submit a paper, and then authors are tasked to fix wrong ones. or other ideas? - Heather Piwowar
lris
Here is a thread where we will compile important copyright court cases: (pretty please)
Huh, a Wikipedia page of Fair Use case law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - lris
(define "important" for your context, please? otherwise I will massively infodump and NO ONE WANTS THAT.) - RepoRat
you want canadialand stuff too? - jambina
Canadialand stuff is also interesting, and probably good to include in this thread. I'm hoping to use this thread to pull together a guide and a talk about the use of copyrighted material specifically for humanities folks and specifically specifically for humanities folks who are thinking of branching out from traditional totally-text-based papers submitted to journals. - lris
http://www.denverpost.com/breakin... U.S. Supreme Court rules against DU professor in copyright case. Concerns music. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Wiley vs. Kirtsaeng http://www.nytimes.com/2012... But it hasn't been decided yet. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Golan v. Holder - music scores and public domain - barbara fister
Rosetta v. Random - settled out of court. Random asserted electronic rights over material not covered in contracts with authors. - barbara fister
Lenz v. Universal (aka the Dancing Baby case) challenging a takedown notice for a youtube video that had a bit of a Prince song playing in the background. - barbara fister
Fairey v. Associated Press - Obama Hope poster. Kind of a mess. - barbara fister
Authors Guild v HathiTrust - barbara fister
Tasini! - barbara fister
Eldred v Ashcroft - copyright extension challenge (corrected, d'oh!) - barbara fister
Campbell v. Acuff-Rose - parody - barbara fister
ALA has an annotated short list: http://www.ala.org/advocac... - Meg V. Meg
My phone won't let me share this to myself?! I'll need it in a week or so - awd from Android
shared it to you, Aaron. :) - Jenica
Y'all are awesome. As usual. - lris
Also the National Geographic case with photographs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Similar to the Tasini case, I am guessing, but the National Geographic won that case, allowing them to sell all 120 years on DVD form. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.
teleken
The varmints.
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the black cat looks like ours (Apollo) - he even has a long tail that tends to curl at the end. - Elizabeth Brown
That's Luigi - he's a polydactyl and insane. :) - teleken
I can see the extra toes on his front paws. Apollo is our chewer - we can't leave tassels of any kind out or they will be destroyed. - Elizabeth Brown
I wish Louie's misbehavior were limited to chewing. :( That said, he's my cat, so...Trying to find ways to work around the stuff he does and determine what's driving him to do it. - teleken
I gave up trying to figure them out. I also gave fashion to the wind. Large cardboard box and some catnip do wonders when they need to get out of misbehaving/chewing/annoying me. - Janet:#TeamMonique
RepoRat
Visualizing the Uniqueness, and Conformity, of Libraries | Dan Cohen's Digital Humanities Blog - http://www.dancohen.org/2012...
Fascinating. And Dan doesn't make the error of assuming that any one pattern is "best." - RepoRat from Bookmarklet
oooooh, i'm gonna see if i can run our holdings. fun thing! - jambina
Really curious about us. But we are not hathitrust obviously and only have a limited number of books on oclc... - aarontay
I'm really excited to see people start playing around with and visualizing library data -- I feel like there's so much interesting stuff locked away in flat MARC LCSH, too. - Amandadon't
I should try to find out more about what % of each library's books are actually in that study: I have problems with some of the graphs (Harvard and UCLA, for example, should both have much larger 1-only bars, I think). But I'm unlikely to actually do that... - Walt Crawford
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