I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- Zulkarnain K.
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
Yeah, I think that's my new policy. Anytime I link to a profy.com story, it's automatically going to say, "Louis Gray posted some interesting..."
- Hutch Carpenter
Cyndy's been getting way too much attention lately what with the DJ stuff and all. How 'bout, 'You should really check out Friendfeed on Saturday night. It's Saturday Night Live - Live Worldwide'
- Charlie Anzman
I'm counting down the days until a Chuck Norris-styled Louis Gray website pops up. Here I'll start you off: Louis Gray didn't invent the internet - he invented Al Gore.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Marco: just registered LouisGrayFacts.com :-P
- Mark Trapp
LOVE IT - now we need a Louis Gray Facts room so we can centralize the facts lol. 50 years from now Louis Gray will be talked about by the Gen Y's children's children as a mythical digital being
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Once you create the room, let us know...I got a couple brewing in my head region :)
- Bwana ☠
Louis Gray doesn't type. His keys duck out of fear.
- Shawn Farner
Slippy: don't be silly. Chuck Norris doesn't need to think. Ideas beg his brain for a place :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Hey, you guys! I'm typing in an EPIC THREAD!
- Hao Chen
Who is this chuck norris guy I keep hearing about? I am too lazy to google him, so friendfeed should do the job for me :P
- Yuvi
Too lazy to Google something? You're in trouble, Yuvi.
- Shawn Farner
@Shawn: Notice the (:P). I just figured that Chuck Norris is some kinda celebrity that I needn't need to bother knowing about till it's thrust into my face. :)
- Yuvi
Poor, Yuvi :( You were a deprived child!
- Hao Chen
@Hao: Guess I was just born into the wrong part of the world :P
- Yuvi
Ah but can you manage it without Twitter/FriendFeed posts too?
- Lawrence
from twhirl
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
OMG Amani! And Shevonne (HOTTIE)!! And Mark! And Mark!! And DERRICK!! And your GORGEOUS kids!!!!! Thanks for sharing!! *edit: Should I be scared I named you guys w/out looking at the caption? I think I have a problem...
- Mona Nomura
Thanks to Anika and her husband for hosting. We had a great time. And for the record...Derrick is everything you think he is AND a bag of chips.
- Mark Krynsky
Depends on what you think he is tho...
- Outsanity
Derrick's ok. Mark K. tried to get me drunk on some South African booze that was discovered by monkeys. No joke. Everyone was the bee's knees, and if you aren't following them, you should. They will enrich your FF experience.
- Derrick
I was a little bummed we didn't have Mo & Morgan though but we're already talking about a 3rd meetup and I already volunteered to host it.
- Mark Krynsky
This pic turned out nice. It was that camera of yours Mark. That was fun and the traffic getting there didn't even aggravate me. Derrick's ok too! LOL... ;-)
- Amani
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
integrate into one window, is all i ask, make it indisputably the best
- Ruben Llibre
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Matthew and Sarah met Duncan today during his short visit to the Bay Area. It was my first time meeting him as well. When not holding babies and signing autographs, Duncan runs The Inquisitr at http://www.inquisitr.com/. He is on Friendfeed here: http://www.friendfeed.com/duncanr...
- Louis Gray
Is the middle S an SQL injection attack? (<- I just realized that comment reveals I'm not a web geek - I mentally pronounce it S-Q-L, not "sequel".)
- Andrew C (✓)
Pea, that's kind of my point: what would we think of someone today who was named after 8 tracks in the 70s? And another perspective, I went to school with a kid whose parents were HUGE Clemson football pans. They named their son Clemson and his initials were ACC (which is the league the team plays in). He was tired of explaining the whole thing by the time he was 10...
- FFing Enigma
Chris is only happy if a thread is controversial and talks smack about social media guys...this thread is none of those things.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Yeah, still missing your mark. Doing well by the way. Going to look at tuxes at Men's Warehouse tonight...oh and waiting for my TV to arrive...still got a week and a half left...sigh.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I never said I was having a black tie reception. :) Just that I will be shod in more formal attire than a suit. Which happens to be a tux.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Only the techno heads will piece that together and actually get a kick out of it.
- Naomi Williams
Oh that rocks! RSS as initials for ur kid! I might try that also if I get executive approval as I already have the last character taken care of.
- Brady
Yeah, pretty out of the blue. Taking the contract would put me about $400 a month ahead of unemployment (both before taxes) and in theory I could work elsewhere while doing it. It's the finding work that's the question: unemployment is high around here.
- FFing Enigma
Looking at my calendar, I realize I started with this company 3 years ago almost to the day. Don't know what that matters, but it just struck me.
- FFing Enigma
When i got let go from last design job, I pleaded! I said cut my pay etc. I even made less than the other designer(s) and said cut one of them not me. Still didn't work. Desperate times!
- orionstarr
Yolanda, I thought about that too (the whole going out on my own thing), but I don't know about it yet. I don't want to to websites or design or coding, I'm not good enough at it to be competitive. Ditto photography...
- FFing Enigma
That sucks! In regards to the 3 years thing, is it possible some benefits change then and they are being cheap about it?
- Justin Korn
That sucks Tina. :-( Hope you find something quick.
- Jordan Hofker
I too am sorry to hear this Tina. Its one thing if you can see it coming...quite another when you don't. Good luck Tina, I hope this gets resolved for you quickly. Start making moves girl.
- Carlos Ayala
You said it from the start. Fuck. Sorry you are going through this. I hope things get better for you starting right....NOW.
- Morgan
Not really, Justin. I took a bit of a benefits cut by staying with the company once Boss bought it from the previous owner: I liked the working environment enough that it was worth it. Luckily my health insurance is through Dave's job (but unluckily he works in the newspaper industry).
- FFing Enigma
Brush up the resume and start looking before it all comes crashing in. Easier to make a lateral move... Good luck! xo
- Fossil Huntress
Oh, no. So sorry to hear this, Tina. Hope you find something wonderful soon.
- LB: #TeamMonique
That sux, Tina. Maybe you can find someone with complementary skills to partner with on your own thing.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I'll be honest, I'm not all that interested in a lateral move or staying in this industry if I have the option, but the question then becomes where to go if I don't stay where I am. I'd love to get back into training again but I don't know that I can after being out of it for 3 years...
- FFing Enigma
sorry tina. lots for you to process... you're a talented person so just decide what you want and then go get it. i believe in you.
- Trish Haley
I'm so very sorry to hear that. I hope you'll get things sorted soon :(
- Niki Costantini
Sorry to hear this news. Rooting for you in Vegas, though. :) And it's a cliche, but sometimes these things happen for a reason. You know, when one door closes, another opens. Will be keeping good thoughts for you.
- Joe Bonner
Sorry *HUGS* my advice (if it matters) take the contract while you look for both contract and F/T work and let the universe help you figure it out
- Sean Reiser
Sorry to hear that Tina - it really sucks (like this year hasn't been trying enough!). After the news settles in your brain will start doing it's thinky-thing and things will get moving. There are so many people here that you can bounce ideas off...((hugs))
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Getting laid off is the new black! Not really, but someone said that when it happened to me and it's kind of true. All the coffee shops during the day are filled with us. Come make friends...and learn about all the unemployment tricks. If it helps, everyone I've met in the past 5 months has found new opportunities and are happy.
- Jess
What sort of work do you do? What sort of work are you looking for in the future?
- Scott Magdalein
My current job is (was?) a mismash created as the result of me filling in where it was needed over the years. I do Linux server admin, Oracle admin, Lotus Domino admin, and Lotus Notes development; I don't do any of it exceptionally well, just good enough. If I leave here I don't intend to stay in the same technologies (or even in tech at all), but other than that I have no clue.
- FFing Enigma
Sounds like you're not really digging what you're doing anyways. Look at this as an opportunity for change. Change is usually good. :)
- Mr Saturday Morning NFG
I'm ambivalent about what I do but enjoy who I do it for. Perhaps to be more specific: I don't like what I do enough to be willing to do it for another company (and honestly, I don't have the credentials necessary for another company to hire me to do what I do now).
- FFing Enigma
That bites! Can anyone help Tina find a new gig?
- Shane
DO ANYBODY NO HOW TO GET PAID FOR FRIENDFEEDING?!?
- FFing Enigma
1UP Tina (and if you find out, lemme know?)!
- Derrick
Tiffany, it's not even a matter of being good enough: I'd have to go get several certifications to get hired doing what I do now with another company just to meet the minimum qualifications. I don't enjoy it enough to do that.
- FFing Enigma
I am so sorry to hear this news, Tina. I wish you the best in deciding what to do and then pursuing it.
- Anne Bouey
Thanks for the kind wishes all, and I'm sorry for the language. Sometimes, though, foul words are really the words I'm looking for. This is one of those times...
- FFing Enigma
I totally fucking know what you are fucking talking about. Fuck yeah. Sometimes the fucking fucks is all the fucking fuck that fucking allows the fucks to fuck the fuck fuck. Right? Fuck Yeah! So you go girl. Cut loose!
- Morgan
Crap. What kind of work do you do / want to do? I know you were dealing with a couple of servers before (and DNS setup stuff) and that it was somewhat technical. Depending on what you're looking for I could check my network.
- mikepk
I appreciate it Mike, but I'm going hold off for just a little bit. I'm not really certain what I want to do or even if 'want' can come into the picture in this economy. I'm more than willing to telecommute if need be, but moving isn't an option.
- FFing Enigma
So sorry, Tina! :( Hope this means an even better opportunity for you around the corner.
- Ayşe E.
I'm really sorry to hear that, Tina. I hope you get a brainstorm as to which way seems the best way forward. And I hope something really cool you'd very much like to do drops in your lap.
- Spidra Webster
Sorry to hear that and hoping something even better comes along for you.
- adf
Take the cut and start looking...big breaks always start this way.
- claudio alegre
from iPhone
Fuck fuck fuck. Here's looking at you. FF has got your back. Looking for a job as an oil tycoon maybe?
- Mike Nayyar
Tina, you're smart and and you have a good network, one way or the other you'll land on your feet. The short-term uncertainty is teh suck though :(
- Tinfoil 2.0
I took a full time job and lost 40% in pay for the same company; sad thing is that I do a LOT more work now...
- acedanger
Sorry to hear Tina......that really does suck!
- Bonnie Foster
Sorry to hear that Tina. Hope the rest of your time gets filled quickly with rewarding freelance projects or similar.
- Patrick Jordan
Tina: I noticed you said you don't have the credentials to perform your current job for another company ... are you sure about that? Nearly all employers value experience doing something over raw qualifications. You might want to test the waters first before making that assumption
- LANjackal
from IM
Because my current job duties were so varied and scattered about, LANjackal, I never became proficient enough at any one thing to warrant a position in another company without credentials. And to tell the truth, I'm ok with that; the biggest reason I enjoyed my job was because of where I worked, not because of what I was doing. I don't enjoy Notes/Domino/Oracle enough to want to do them at another company. I've got 10 long days to mull everything over in Vegas, so hopefully I'll come up with something =)
- FFing Enigma
Oh, and James: LOVE your display name =D
- FFing Enigma
Tina: OK, I hear you. I was just asking.
- LANjackal
from IM
Aww, thanks, Tina. And again, I'm sorry. Here's hoping that something better's on the way for you.
- Absentee
Bummer. Good luck. Do you have any other companies/people in mind that you'd like to work with? If you connect with me on LinkedIn, you can look through my LinkedIn contacts to see if there's anyone where you might like to work... (or I can e-mail you some PDFs). I can also look through my 2nd & 3rd level contacts to see if anyone's interesting.
- Mitchell Tsai
Wow, that's terrible! G-d willing, something better will come from this.
- David C. Cooper
Oh, damn...so sorry to hear that, Ms. Tina. :(
- JA Castillo
Very sorry for you, Tina. Hope this becomes a new beginning for some better opportunities in the future. All the best.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Sorry, Tina. I agree with claudio...I would take the PT contract, spend free time looking for a new job (I have faith you'll find something you like!), and give them 2 weeks notice when the next gig is rdy2go.
- Hao Chen
Sorry Tina :( Are you sure that your company can do that? Are you the only one with this problem or are involved also some collegues?
- Roberto
from fftogo
:-( I'm sorry, Tina. That really is the massive fucking suck. Hmm... hey, Morgan! Do you know whether women get severance whores, too? http://ff.im/3tgPa
- Ordinarybug Heather
Roberto, there are currently only 2 people at my company: Boss and myself. All of my main job duties revolve around handling our biggest client, so the offer to got part-time contract is so I could take care of their issues when they arise. Boss handles most of the remaining clients But they are all smaller contracts.
- FFing Enigma
LOL! Stephen, I'd have to be able to skate well for that to be an option. I'm good at hitting and controlled falling, but skating isn't my strong point just yet.
- FFing Enigma
"Pro" just means they pay you, not that you're good at it though!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Well, then that takes roller derby out of the question, no one gets paid in flat track derby. Actually, we all pay dues to be on the team...
- FFing Enigma
They go into the team fund, which pays for renting out the place we have our bouts. It's a new team, no cash right now. Our league is setup as a non-profit, though, so once they have enough capital to cover expenses then profits from our bouts and merch sales will be donated to a local charity (we're actually in the process of picking one). EDIT - I just realized, that might mean that my monthly dues are tax deductible. Dunno...
- FFing Enigma
I see. Ah well. There may be more to explore with the pro skater angle that. Warped Enigma World Skating Tour?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
layoff, you will have more time for tweeting, like me. Come to kosovo, like me. Life is cheap here. 50Cents for a Cappuchino.
- James Michael Mike DuPont
James, that is very tempting, I'll have to add it to my list of inexpensive places to live =) Actually, if I were willing to move I'm actually now capable of moving to Argentina: even this li'l bit of contract cash would be enough to set Dave and me up comfortably in Cordoba. Hrm....
- FFing Enigma
Doh! That's what "entrepreneur" means! Recently laid off! Thanks, Jason! Much catchier than "consultant" :)
- Richard Walker
Tina - Would you be interested in applying for this Continental Airlines position? http://ff.im/6S4bZ Continental is my favorite airline & has been making good efforts to relate to their customers. Their rep "CO Insider" has been very active on the FlyerTalk forums, and it feels to me like they "get" internet communication better than any other US airline. "CO Looking to Hire Facebooke'r/Tweeter/Social Media Guru" [Weatherboy, FlyerTalk Forums - 8/15/09]
- Mitchell Tsai
I just read this post - you say "My current job is (was?) a mismash created as the result of me filling in where it was needed over the years." - I'm in the same kind of position and also in layoff jeopardy. No one appreciates the glue until it's gone. I'm sorry.
- Amy℠
{selects "don't like" and clicks mouse}
- Bryan R. Adams
I am sure their coders are not gonna sit around doing nothing whilst the powers that be decide what their future holds
- Mark
And the Add Comment link at the bottom of expanded comment threads a few days ago. It was nice to see that pop up.
- Jandy
Christopher: yes, they were underway as Bret told me last week. Glad to see them ship, though. New features communicate that the team still sees a future here and that it won't just be killed when they move over.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, all the work for custom themes and theme sharing was done between Tuesday and today.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: really? Damn, awesome. I'm going to go shoot some ducks now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I love it when company employees come along and set us all straight
- Mark
Great how long before we get the "hit the monkey" ads :0
- BRҰANSAҰS
For FF to continue within FB as a discrete entity, it will have to justify its burn rate of, what, $5 million-ish + or - per year? Facebook Labs, or public-facing interface? Any other ideas?
- Tinfoil 2.0
they will go to FB R&D so there will be no ff
- Atif UNALDI
this speculation is pointless, i doubt they even know what they will do in the future
- Mark
A roadmap would be useful. Is FF sticking around? Is it going to die off? I think some answers are kinda needed as lots think it's going to die off and people are threatening to leave, if not gone already.
- Kol Tregaskes
sofiagk: I've looked for the next friendfeed. There isn't one.
- Robert Scoble
I bet Winer could script one in 50 lines of code!
- Mark
Agree with Robert there, nothing comes close to FF out there atm. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
FF just gets better and better while everything else is either stationary or going backwards. Going to be a sad day when it ends.
- James Myatt
Kol: Agreed and streamy doesn't even come close by a long shot.
- BRҰANSAҰS
YES - ROADMAP, if permissible, would be great!!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Perhaps we are not seeing its demise at all? And pity that users never get any say...
- Technogran
Sandra: I don't expect it to get killed, but I want to know how many resources it will get in its new home and what Facebook wants to do with it.
- Robert Scoble
I love Friendfeed, but at this point I don't want another FF, otherwise next year we'll meet the same problems. I don't want another startup. It's time to cloud networking!
- Roberto
from fftogo
Roadmap... FriendFeed will turn GREEN and so will all of us!
- Amy Flynn
It would be so cool if Zuckerburg chimed in with a commitment to let ff continue to flourish. Winer said that there is no way ff will be around in 2 years. That makes me sad.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I guess to Jeunelle's point, we don't know. There's no reason to jump ship until we know it's sinking and how fast. We just don't know. They probably don't know.
- Kevin Arth
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- travispuk
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- Tinfoil 2.0
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza + = ?
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza + = ?
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Lindsay
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
Too many people complaining, I guess. Indeed, trust is something rare in the cynical times we live in.
- Jordi Soler
I believe people who are questioning will trust more when they get more clarity. In the absence of answers, speculation fills the gap.
- Louis Gray
hey man I trust loads more people online than off and I certainly trust the FFolk. These guys are no fools to build what they built and sell what they sold.
- Thomas Power
Unfortunately clarity takes time. Life is inherently unpredictable.
- Paul Buchheit
PB I am happy to wait take your time and yes I trust you all the whole team.
- Thomas Power
It's precisely because I viewed FF as a collection of people that I invested trust with them - so yes I'm waiting for the clarity that I trust will come and hope your allowed to share it by the new boss.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I couldn't agree with you more Paul. (congrats BTW) I just hope bigger companies also realize the same thing, we will treat them the same way they treat us. With FF I think we all felt like part of the team, communication was open and two-way..it brought the passion out of all of us.
- Chris Myles
I ain't no naysayer I am a true FFsupporter. Go PB Bear x
- Thomas Power
i don't think ppl always like what they see...perhaps why they choice to treat others badly : reflecting their own ugly.
- :}(o|O){:
Oh, I could tell you stories about how I trusted people and was let down, betrayed, and backstabbed. Cynicism is not without precedent.
- Morton Fox
I don't think it's naive, you definitely live better when you are not constantly thinking if people are trying to scam you.
- Amit Morson
It's not good to call a bluff on people/anything before you understand the situation. On trusting people a little more....that's fine. However, it's a very thin line because people are different and unique in many aspects.We can do much more if we remove the slyness that have destroyed capitalism.
- Deleted
BTW, I like the little "Add comment" thingy. Good going.
- Amit Morson
If I went with optimism, I would prefer cautious optimism over blind optimism.
- Morton Fox
culturally it seems cynicism is a means for people to cope with irony
- :}(o|O){:
I trust the FF team. As I said before I doubt they'll let FB take over and do messy things. They worked too hard to let them do that.
- Molly Song ;)
I always give people a bit of trust, and it works out. There have been very few people that have lost the trust I gave them. I expect the best from everyone, and most return the favor. As for thinks like FF, well I don't have a lot of experience and I'm not super attached to the current workings, so I'm just waiting patiently to see what happens. I didn't join for the system, I joined for the people and the content. ^_^
- Heather
ana, that is why trust is required :)
- Paul Buchheit
I love FF. You guys have done a great job, and I have no doubt you will continue to do so. Some may have acted more on emotions than needed. However, when you end up being too trustworthy for too long, you tend to get burned. It's cheesy, it's a cliche, but it happens. I know I'm not one of the big ones here, but earlier today, in my completely zombified state, I decided to just roll...
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- Matthew Horton
I don't like how some people are thinking you "sold out" because you were bought by FB, because you needed the money and if you didn't get it what would happen? I think people are pissed off mainly because FB was the service that bought it. What if Myspace or Micorsoft bought FF? I bet there would be more people (including myself) who would totally lose trust in you guys.
- Molly Song ;)
Christopher - I think Paul should start writing even more cryptic posts to /really/ mess with people.
- Andrew C (✓)
Christopher, you're reading too much into this (as are most people here). I really do mean it as a general point about life. The truth is that I don't know exactly what the future holds, and neither does anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
I have been through a few recent experiences where my apprehensions and concerns about the honesty and the intent of people have been proven wrong. I guess some of us need to go through this phase of realization before we can start trusting people a bit easier than before.
- Jassim
I guess I'm in what some people might think of "denial". I want to think positively instead of being cynical. Being cynical to me is negative and doesn't solve a damn thing. Being positive about anything this day and age is a bad thing, I guess. People view positive feelings as being "in denial" which IMHO is a bunch of bullcrap.
- Molly Song ;)
Depressing country music comes to mind... the dog ran away and the truck died, sad tune... *Sigh*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Christopher, I think that is the main point. It was interesting to see Matt Cutts post his congrats via a FF post, but also mention that he hopes the FF team brings some openness to the FB. That is part of the trust thing. Even Microsoft is more trustworthy than FB right now and everyone knows that a team of talented devs getting swallowed up by an untrustworthy corp typically makes no difference to the corp's culture.
- travispuk
Software is scalable to huge customer bases.. Customer support, feedback, and expectations don't scale as easily!!
- Chris Myles
I had to admit, even though I like FB a lot, they have done some things I'm not happy with. I'm hoping they don't mess with FF too much or I won't go there anymore.
- Molly Song ;)
@Paul, I will stretch my trust a bit further to see how this washes out for the FF team, but in my view trust is always based on the actions and the way this has been handled, given that you are well aware of your rabid fan base, is not good for maintaining trust. I would have actually preferred that FF be bought my Microsoft (I know MS haters, perish the thought), but at the moment I...
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- travispuk
Totally agree Christopher. The FF crowd are such a small bag that they do not care. The reason why I would prefer MS is that they would care because they are clawing marketshare with any means, each little grab of users for them means a lot more then it does to FB, who as we all know don't even care about their existing 250-300mill.
- travispuk
Travis: You do know that MS is FB's single largest investor by far, right? For all practical purposes, MS bought FF as much as FB did
- LANjackal
LANjackal, yeah, but I am not sure about single largest? Particularly since the valuation that they bought in at was a lot higher than the current valuation from the recent buy in, so I think their shareholding is a tiny bit smaller now. There is still competition between the two for users, as there is from Google and twitter etc.
- travispuk
Lanjackal, I told like you to one of my friends feed yesterday, you are right!
- muratt
Travis: FB isn't publicly traded, and MS has given them more funding than anyone else, period. No one else has come close to the $240M MS poured into FB
- LANjackal
Travis: You don't think the Bing search results integrated with FB search results are accidental, do you? That said, I'm not one of those people who believes everything MS is bad. So far they've done well allowing FB to grow as they have. I've been with FB since 2004 so I have more faith in them than the average person. I'm giving them time to see how this all shakes out, and putting a lil trust in the FF devs too
- LANjackal
LANjackal, absolutely not, I know that was part of the investment and obviously worth a shed load more than the original 240M. I did think though that they had just received 200M from a russian company and have received other similar size investments from other companies. Don't get me wrong, I am not a total FB hater, if they do right by FF then I will absolutely stick around. What I...
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- travispuk
This is a smart approach. Trust...but verify. As much as many of us chuckled at Reagan in the 80s (OK, as much as some of us old guys chuckled) that's not a bad philosophy; it's what we do in day-to-day life, anyway. If we didn't implicitly trust most of the people we interacted with daily life would be chaos. Oh, and "naive" is the way we act on a daily basis.
- Tom Guarriello
Oh, and one more thing. I think the difference between the public reaction to FB buying FF and Amazon buying Zappos is fascinating.
- Tom Guarriello
I have actually more trust in FB than I have in Amazon - FB has not yet had the kind of anti competitive practices that Amazon has had in the last few years. If it had an easier way to ignore most apps, and reined their lawyers when revising T&Cs, FB would be positively peachy :)
- Iphigenie
Reality is a mirror. We will manifest in life what we continue to see and be. If we find that we continually cannot or do not trust people, it is often because we ourselves are not trustworthy. Give situations time to sort out before you automatically assume that the worst will come about.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Paul, I take your point. This is how I've gone through my entire life, with varying degrees of success. But I should tell you because of this I've been burned many, many times and have the emotional scars to prove it. It is not a statement to be made lightly (not that I think this is what you were doing).
- Jim #TeamMonique
I think most people would like to trust but most people have been disappointed before so when one cares about something or someone might tend to create negative mental scenarios as a mechanism to protect oneself from another disappointment and not to appear a fool once again.
- M F
Cautious optimism is how I proceed. However, I've been involved in and project managed through many acquisitions, and usually the acquiree gets fed a bunch of bs about how they'll be able to control their destiny and keep their baby running. But I don't think I've ever seen that actually happen. I hope it might, in this case, but I feel like so much cannon fodder at this point.
- Rick Cogley
@PaulToo / Paul Buchheit you say "Unfortunately clarity takes time." This is really where I think many people take issue, why did you sell the company without getting a more firm road-map for how things were going to go (which you could have then announced)? Unless you basically said: "OK, just give us the money and we'll let things sort themselves out later." Which is of course your...
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- Alex Schleber
Are people forgetting that Paul sunk millions of his own money into FF? Unless FF was a 503c Foundation, he can't be faulted for seeking to recoup that, and with big players copying FF features every day, there was a risk to FF's future. I'm somewhat saddened by what happened, but happy for Paul, but either way, FF introduced a bunch of concepts that will now be copied by other...
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- Ray Cromwell
I like the sentiment to stay open and trusting. Life is too short to do otherwise. And since there is a lot of talk about the facebook deal on this thread guess I'll throw in my 2c there too -- which is, congratulations on another successful venture Paul. Very impressive and facebook will be better as a result. If FF gets lost in the shuffle that just means someone has to go out there and start another venture ;)
- Thomas Mader
@cromwellian, that's why I used the words "which is of course your prerogative"..business is business, fine. I congratulate the FF team on their business win. But then don't mix categories and try to bring social issues like "trust" back in through the backdoor. After Beacon et al. FB PR disasters, do you trust Zuckerberg/FB with a darn thing? You yourself seem to think similarly by saying you're "kinda resigned that it's long term fate is not in the cards." My point exactly..
- Alex Schleber
@Guruvan BTW I disagree with you that this has anything to with LOA/Projection type stuff..the point is we all trusted FB in the beginning..a long time ago. Did we attract their multiple mis-behaviors into our shared reality somehow?!?
- Alex Schleber
More accurately, life is better when people are trustworthy.
- Tanath
Alex: I have spent about 10 hours of my life with Mark Zuckerberg. I think he is a lot more trustworthy than most business leaders I have met.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scobleizer, which isn't saying that much, would you agree? :) It is after all the same Mark Zuckerberg that handed out business cards reading "I'm CEO, Bitch" not all that long ago..
- Alex Schleber
How does facebook reconcile talking about openness but trying to prevent other services from gaining traction by blocking the flow of information out of facebook that would enable smaller networks to compete? It looks like facebook is trying to become the entire web experience for users.
- Ru Viljoen
I've been through too many mergers and acquisitions to trust anything the buying corporation says.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
yeah u need to trust now because you gave away control. i think it was a silly move. i still think that friendfeed could have turned the tide by itself,...with proper profiles and people search. now all you can do is hoping you didn't got fooled
- Chris Hofmann
Schleber: damn, I didn't get one of those cards from him and had to drag him into a Time Magazine party. He didn't want to go because he didn't have an invite. I think that's the last time that I'll have an invite to something he doesn't have. But, seriously, I love how we blow out of proportion people like him.
- Robert Scoble
Alex Scoble: I assume the worst and when the best happens, I'm surprised. That said, Zuckerberg and Facebook has never stabbed me in the back or been jerks the way some other companies have been.
- Robert Scoble
If facebook succeeds it will lead to a period where innovation stagnates, and finally the largest task for facebook is to wrest power from google, and I personally do not want that to happen.
- Ru Viljoen
Ru: if you think Facebook is stagnating, I think you are smoking some good dope. Remember, FriendFeed couldn't take off because Facebook was too fast a follower. Many of my favorite friends from across the industry are now working there. Don't underestimate this company.
- Robert Scoble
Plus they stole Google's sushi chef and he's freaking awesome.
- Robert Scoble
Any company in Silicon Valley who is powered by sushi is unstoppable. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't think that, I think facebook is brilliant and incredibly innovative, I mean it will go that way if they become too dominant in the comprehensive web experiance.
- Ru Viljoen
I have never heard of any company continuing to drive innovation as google has after acquiring a monopolistic majority, that is why I do not want it to be replaced.
- Ru Viljoen
I think he is right, social search is better than legions of anonymous results. Facebook leads social so when they master search they will undermine google.
- Ru Viljoen
yeah but the content that is dragged into FB is still much more limited to what google can crawl.
- Chris Hofmann
Search results relative to people you know. So far facebook has focused on features and usability to grow its userbase, but it looks really obvious that they will then try to use that social network to create a search engine that uses your acquaintances to serve you recommendations or search results and people will love that.
- Ru Viljoen
thats what friendfeed has been doing already
- Chris Hofmann
i think that is the point of getting the friendfeed guys in the firstplace
- Chris Hofmann
Actually Paul, there is a famous wise American Caver named Donald Davis. Cavers find cave. Caves are a kind of form of Shrodingers Cat, we never know where more cave is until we find it. Davis postulated in the 60's that the cavers create the cave in their minds.
- Robert Higgins
It might be a hell of a lot of work but still that is where they will go. Bear in mind they have just released facebook lite and their explanation of it being for low brandwidth areas and mobiles smells like BS, but that is too speculative, fact is they can create that infrastructure with enough money, talent and users.
- Ru Viljoen
Well until it is done who knows how much behaviour will be shaken up, but they can be quite radical and people will not leave because how do you communicate with school friends and grandma if you leave?
- Ru Viljoen
Paul we trust you not to stab Friendfeed in the back, but to infiltrate and take over Facebook
- Robert Higgins
hahaha well I hope facebook remains a secure place to chat to our real friends and some form of friendfeed lives on and grows for our edgy web friends. Sleepytime 01:49 here
- Ru Viljoen
I imagine you and the rest of the FF gang are stinging a bit (perhaps you didn't expect the backlash to be as... well, passionate as it was?) but, in my experience, trust is something that has to be earned and it's usually something I only give to people I know personally. Generous trust has almost always repaid me negatively so I'm loathe to just hand it out. I'm a cynical, old, cranky...
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- Akiva
I have a long held belief that trust is something meant to be earned, not something you are entitled to from the start, and once shattered it is difficult, but not impossible, to regain. And Trust travels with a companion called Respect. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
- April Russo
Wow Akiva!! 'monster off the leash'. I feel your hurt emotions, really deep!
- Myrna
Eh, I've entered into the acceptance stage. Things are as they are.
- Akiva
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Checking in by phone while on vacation. :)
- c.a.j.
from iPhone
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- милый мой дружочек
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- милый мой дружочек
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- милый мой дружочек
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- милый мой дружочек
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- милый мой дружочек
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- милый мой дружочек
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- милый мой дружочек
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- милый мой дружочек
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
Sanki takip ettigim, tanidigim herkes like'lamis. | It's like everyone I follow, know liked this. | Habidi dubidi du.
- Jeaquares
Like'imi verip geri aldim cunku IPHONE'DAN GONDERILMIS!!! | I gave my like but took it back because IT'S SENT FROM IPHONE!!! | Habidi zubidi kubudu ANANIBUDU BU.
- Jeaquares
"FriendFeed accepts Facebook friend request" - service will continue to operate normally "for the time being" co. says: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Will anybody admit to buying and playing the godawful E.T?!
- TDavid
@Abby that was Adventure in all its blocky castle glory, yup.
- TDavid
Used to love Adventure with the keys and dragons. I never had Asteroids but my friends did. Never quite got the hang of it. I would accelerate too much and end up zooming diagonally across the screen out of control.
- Barak B
I loved Pitfall Harry. And even broke the score where you can send in a picture of the screen and they'll give you a patch. but dang my mom, she wouldn't take a pic of the screen so no patch for me. It was devestating!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
wow, this popped back up from almost a year ago... dang! Do I have to start doing the E.T. noise again?
- Lindsay
I love classic games. I still have an original Nintendo to play Mario:)
- Rob Cairns
I still have an Atari but I haven't touched it in years. I'm not sure if it still works. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to hooking it up again.
- jenali
Grew up in Louisville, KY. In college in downtown Chicago, going into my junior year. Flying to Brooklyn to hang out with my brother.
- Daniel Zarick
from iPhone
Just saw the intro from Ben so I'm a new follower. (c: My wife and I are in Salt Lake, or more specifically Sugar House. Just a couple streets away from the park.
- Tim Costantino
Don't you guys think that this information, altough not essential, should have its place in the bio? Think of geolocalized friendfeed, for instance. Quite not possible yet.
- Zackatoustra
Is it for the caffeine kick? Or to drink something warm to get you started each morning? Because you're addicted and can't do without? Or just because you like the taste of it?
- Brome
I asked the question because I don't drink coffee (mainly because I don't like the taste) but noticed that some people have to drink their daily or bi-daily cup to be fully operational, especially in the morning. The stimulating properties of coffee have always seemd quasi-magical to me.
- Brome
I don't. I don't like the taste either, Brome, but I'm fond of tea.
- Derrick
I like the taste (when had with sweetener and half/half). I love the smell and taste of it. Not addicted, though (thank god).
- Spidra Webster
Why, do you have some? Is it good? Can I have it now? I don't have a caffeine problem. Just a little taste....cm'on man. Don't hold out on me!
- Chris Greene
caffeine kick, drink it iced to get started in the morning, addicted, and love the smell and taste.
- metalerik
Cold coffee in the morning? Wow, Metalerik, that's hardcore! :)
- Brome
The smell, the taste, the ritual, the warmth, and the caffeine. Love it all.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
from iPhone
I was originally thinking of sitting this one out, but then decided to pop in and make a comment on behalf of all of us who don't drink coffee.
- Miss Elle
Miss Elle, on behalf of all of us who don't drink coffee: thank you.:)
- Brome
Me I'm a ch'ti (from the north of France), Thus, I should be a coffee addict, like about all my family and drink coffee sur coffee, but I don't, althought I like It sometime, For breakfast I drink Ricoré (yes and I assume it) with milk and a lot of sugar. My preferred coffee is the "café glacé" : café+sucre+crême fraiche-->au frigo-->miam ! :-)
- lotre demedeu
Every single reason you listed in the first comment is true for me.
- Patrick
I like the taste, and it's something warm to drink in the morning/whenever I feel like it. Yes, I have it with milk and sugar, if it's available.
- Tyson Key
Because it tastes good with Sunday brunch...Brunch is the only time I drink the stuff.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes please. A nice espresso will do. Thanks.
- Daan
from Android
Love the taste; the caffeine itself doesn't actually have that much effect on me except in ridiculous quantities. (I often have a cup of coffee right before betime)
- Tristan Seligmann
Brome, sent you a cheers this morning before I had my first sip of icy cold coffee. Yum!!!
- metalerik
All of the above, and because it is The Lifeforce without which we can't exist
- Eric Berlin
Eric: +1 for mentioning the Lifeforce! So when you feel 'a disturbance in the force, is that from someone taking the last cup of coffee? Or is it the coffee kicking in, resulting in strange gurgling from your tummy, which means you have 90 seconds to find a toilet?
- Morgan
I don't give a shit about what you think about his birth certificate. The people voted. He's in. If you don't think he's an American citizen? Fuck...You...Peace!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
at first I was like wow what the heck happened to Alex while I was gone? LOL
- R. Ferguson
I don't know why I often misspell his name with two Rs.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I do as well, Alex. Definitely agree with this post. If he isn't a citizen, why did his opponents even let him get this far? It doesn't make sense.
- Rahsheen?
The extreme right who are harping on this make the rest of the conservative movement look really bad. I'm not a "Birther" but I am conservative, almost Libertarian.
- Gunnyman™
Pffft, you're not a conservative Gunny. I've seen you wear a tie died shirt and step foot in Barley's. I'm pretty sure that instantly revokes your conservative card ;-)
- FFing Enigma
Damn straight! He's the fucking president! That's still fun to say :)
- Lo
You guys are missing the point. The nutjobs pushing this story know it's not true (mostly), but they realize it's a distraction from the things that really matter, like the economy and health care, about which they have nothing meaningful or useful to say.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I'm a software engineer / system administrator for Mozy. In general, I like to call myself a software toolsmith, eventually that means more active in free and open source development, perhaps writing a book, who knows?
- Travis B. Hartwell
Travis, yes, I know you read my posts. :-) Hopefully people do more than just that though - I would be really worried if that were the case!
- Jesse Stay
Marketing and advertising, mostly for small and medium businesses
- Dennis O'Neil
Software problem solver (meaning I support teams, most of the time devs, and help them do their work by handling network, infrastructure, build/release, whatver tasks. Currently Ops and Infrastructure person at Seesmic. Active in a couple open source projects and lurking in a lot more. Yep I read your blog.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, I've been following your work since before you joined Seesmic. Thanks for chiming in!
- Jesse Stay
Oddly, I just realized I'm not subscribed to you on FriendFeed. Not sure how that happened - just subscribed, and added you to my favorites. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Bear: Haven't you been involved with the Twisted project in the past? Your name sounds familiar. :) Perhaps we've met at PyCon?
- Travis B. Hartwell
Bear was the original developer of Twhirl before it was bought by Loic and Seesmic.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Marco is the original Twhirl dev - I did some command line tools for Twitter tho. Travis, yes while I was at OSAF I was active in the Twisted project. We met at PyCon in DC once.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, did you do anything with Twhirl before it was acquired? I swear you were involved somehow. Maybe not. Maybe my memories are after it was acquired.
- Jesse Stay
Media management and graphic design student obsessed with tech, Internet, branding, and design. Work as a "community manager" and social media director for my school's student communications office. Columbia College Chicago, if you are interested.
- Daniel Zarick
from iPhone
evidently i wasn't subscribed either - but with everyone else reading and commenting on your stuff it probably didn't matter. I was seeing it already :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I work in Forticom as a creative. Company runs several social networking sites: odnoklassniki.ru nasza-klasa.pl one.lt one.lv (I am also LDS, that's wahat I "do" :))
- Mindaugas Kucinas
Online community manager for Public Library of Science; blogger at Scienceblogs.com; organizer of ScienceOnline conferences; series editor of The Open Laboratory; adjunct faculty at NC Wesleyan college (teach Biology to adults); external advisor for the BBC/PRI/Nova/SigmaXi science content online.
- Bora Zivkovic
Developing a new Twitter service "HQFollowBack".
- Wulffy
database stuff, mostly for email/marketing, blogging, social media stuff.
- anna sauce
IT Manager / Web Developer / Photographer
- Justin Korn
Teaching & consulting knowledge economy & information design ... writing about them
- Ozgur Uckan
In web biz since 1998, online editorial/community/marketing. Now fully dedicated to starting up a new web service.
- Majento
My bio here (as one wag saw fit to tweak me about!) includes most of what I do: teaching, writing, designing, etc. I guess my work falls into the "boutique" category--small collection of clients, very personal touch.
- Kathy Fitch
IT Manager (really IT Department) for a small company in Orem, UT
- Skyler Call
Retired now after a career in data processing for banks and insurance companies. First programming job was on the IBM 1401, language Autocoder, 8K of memory. I don't know what I would have done with out computers. Loved them then and still love them.
- Jack DeWitt Smith
Oh forgot to mention, of course I read your posts. I helped you coin Social Technology And You.
- BRҰANSAҰS
from iPhone
I run the technology school at a local private college and teach there too, I blog, I write, I take pictures, I play bass guitar, I do computer security, tons of stuff. I also run an online comic book store.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
I manage a software development team at a big bank.
- Michael Hocter
I'm a software developer (web, primarily - at least, these days) and blogger (TUAW and an upcoming new blog).
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Holden, I have a Mom and a Dad, too. Even a sister. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Software Architect, focusing on web software. Worked as an Architect for a large bank for four years and now work as an Architect in a small company here in Salt Lake.
- Tim Costantino
All sorts, currently a data monkey for the telecoms industry.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm a Risk Analyst in a large financial services company's Compliance Management team.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Jesse, was just looking at your site today. :) I've been a Program Manager for software development projects involving offshoring, a Product Manager for new software product startups, and now a writer for MakeUseOf.com. I'm based in Pune, India.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Alex, you do what most of my siblings, and Dad do. My sister's interning for KPMG right now, and my brother-in-law just started with another one of the big Accounting firm. My other brother-in-law worked for Fidelity for quite awhile, and my other BIL was a consultant for Monitor for quite awhile.
- Jesse Stay
I manage the websites and content for the X PRIZE Foundation on Drupal CMS as well as all 3rd party web services. For fun I write at Lifestream Blog and on a personal site.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark, that sounds like a fascinating job!
- Jesse Stay
Accountant.....used to work for a CPA firm.....now self-employed.....much better.....
- Bonnie Foster
Technology Consultant / Software Architect / DBA. My tool-belt is based on but not limited to .NET. I've been mostly working with securities trading, portfolio management, pension insurance systems and various EAI solutions..
- Tapio Kulmala
Web software developer for one of the world's largest language translation companies.
- Tony Ruscoe
developing web sites, databases, email servers, administrating unix/linux machines and having fun :)
- Mihai Secasiu
Manager, IT Integration and Project Management for Nelnet, Inc (NNI) - Nelnet Enrollment Solutions Division (2 companies - CUnet.com and Petersons.com). Also Innovating my new Social Media products for Higher Ed - internally funded innovation program) Founder, Social Media Club - Rochester, NY and VP of PR, Marketing for PMIRochester.org. Plus I like chocolate, cats and beaches! I blog at http://susanbeebe.com. Oh and I absolutely love FriendFeed, but you already knew that! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hi Jesse, I enjoy your feed. I am a sales and marketing guy and I am really passionate about how emerging media tools can fit into business' marketing efforts. I currently "embed" with companies to set up and utilize emerging media tools. So what does that make me? I got tired of trying to tell people how to use these tools and decided to find companies that already KNEW they had to be in that space, but they didn't know how to do it well.
- Tobin Truog
I'm an editor of a humanities journal. I love the diversity of expertise and interest on FF. :)
- Ayşe E.
MVB, my kids would really like you. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Independent Demonstrator for a Vinyl Lettering & Decor Company - Uppercase Living®
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I wear many hats for a rather small data security company including marketeer, graphic designer, web developer, PR person and IT Guy - the company is http://www.deadondemand.com/
- Mike Bracco
2) I was named after my Grandfather, who earned 2 distinguished flying crosses in World War II for his service and bravery in some of the Wake Island Raids. He also ordered the deployment of the first-known parachute from a plane to slow the plane down. (similar to what the Space Shuttle does today)
- Jesse Stay
3) My mother was born in Tasmara, Ethiopia, a city which today no longer exists because it was an Army base. She is white, but my brothers have really, really curly hair.
- Jesse Stay
4) My ancestor is Orson Pratt, the very first pioneer into the Salt Lake Valley. Also one of the very first Mormon Geeks. I am also a decendent of Heber C. Kimball, an LDS apostle under Brigham Young - Kimball's son married Pratt's daughter. Even more interesting is that Kimball's wife (who I am through) was formerly a polygamous wife of Joseph Smith before Joseph Smith was martyred. Ah the stories of a descendant of Mormon pioneers. :-)
- Jesse Stay
5) I have lived in 11 places throughout my life, including Utah, Ohio, Indonesia, Texas, Thailand, and Virginia
- Jesse Stay
6) I know English and Thai fluently, and can understand and speak a bit of Spanish and Indonesian as well. I know morse code, if you call that a language.
- Jesse Stay
7) I am an Advanced class Amateur Radio Operator. My call sign is KC5PZP. I started when I was 16.
- Jesse Stay
I know the feeling, I fall from a line where some great great great grandpa of mine had 11 wives . . .
- Zach Holmquist
8) I started software development when I was 10 years old in Indonesia. I won 3rd place in my Elementary School Computer Fair.
- Jesse Stay
9) In High School, I showed the teacher of my electronics class (yes, we had one - it was the first one of my High School) how to control 4 step motors using a series of AND-gates connected to a computer Parallel port. Before that he only knew how to do it with Transistors, and could only get 2 step-motors to work.
- Jesse Stay
10) I graduated Suma Cum Laude from Strayer University with straight A's, and am a member of Alpha Chi honor society
- Jesse Stay
11) I graduated in the very first graduating class of Cypress Falls High School in Houston, Texas - I am a Texan at heart
- Jesse Stay
12) I was a missionary in Thailand for 2 years
- Jesse Stay
13) In Thailand, I rode elephants (just for the fun of it), got to pet an alligator, and saw elephants play soccer and stand on their heads.
- Jesse Stay
14) My best friend in High School's brother, Mike Dodson, is a lead guitarist for the very popular Christian band, David Crowder band. I got annoyed by his snoring at an outing, and stuffed his mouth with a sock once.
- Jesse Stay
15) I played trumpet all through Junior High School, High School, and part of College. I was first-chair trumpet all through High School, and played in the University of Houston marching band (I was only there a semester). I almost majored in Music, until the dot-com boom happened and I decided computers paid more. Software Development is my second love.
- Jesse Stay
16) I am an Eagle Scout - my Eagle Scout project was developing software to collect the blood types of people in our local church congregation. I also organized a blood drive. I am also a member of Order of the Arrow.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting / unique background Jesse !
- Eric Berlin
17) My dad is an Executive Vice President for Ahold USA, a major Grocery retailer that owns Giant Food stores, Stop and Shop, and used to own Topps supermarkets and US Food services. He's one of the top Tax accountants in the world.
- Jesse Stay
18) My license plate says "SOCIAL". I have also owned the license plates, "MODPERL" and "USEPERL". Perl is my preferred programming language if you can't tell.
- Jesse Stay
19) My Uncle founded Freeservers.com and I used to work there before they sold to About.com (and went downhill) as a customer service and billing rep. It was my first experience in a dot-com startup.
- Jesse Stay
20) My Uncle also founded KnowMoreMedia and I wrote some of the original software to bridge payment between KMM and bloggers for them.
- Jesse Stay
21) I worked for Media General, a major media corporation which owns print and broadcast products throughout the southeast, including the Richmond Times-Dispatch, the Tampa Tribune, and several major new stations you may have watched. I was in charge of getting news, and eventually classifieds from the print products out to the web, and it was there that I learned how doomed old media was. (and how smart a decision it was for News Corp to purchase MySpace)
- Jesse Stay
22) I've written 2 books - "I'm on Facebook--Now What???" (with Jason Alba, afterword by Robert Scoble), and "FBML Essentials" (O'Reily). I think I might write a few more, as I learned how much I love to write from those books.
- Jesse Stay
23) When I was in High School I used to get the artists of the school to design graphics for me, and I would make T-Shirts out of the designs and sell them to my classmates. I was always amazed at the interest people had in paying $10 for something that cost me near $5 to make. I also worked for a print shop for awhile, helping to design T-Shirts, hats, and more - my job was to get the designs onto the computer for print later.
- Jesse Stay
24) I've been working full and part-time since I was 14. My parents owned 2 Blimpie restaurants where I got to learn how a business was run, and what risk was involved. I worked there at age 14, but I babysat and mowed lawns for money since age 11.
- Jesse Stay
25) I'm the oldest of 6 children, my youngest sister just turned 19. I babysit just about all my brothers and sisters - perhaps that's why having children is easy for me. I have 4 kids, and have been married to my beautiful wife for 10 years this year.
- Jesse Stay
Phew! I'm surprised that was easier than I thought.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - loved your list, thanks for sharing. And number one is hilarious hahaha!
- Mona Nomura
Love the list. Thanks for sharing. #18 made me chuckle.
- Amani
Re: #1, tastes like popcorn! But don't ask me to do it again. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I've heard the same from others re. #1. I'll still pass.
- Moushumi Kabir
As mentioned earlier today, Twitter seems to have capped your ability to follow at 2,000 people, which just so happens to be exactly where I am. The goal, in theory, is to stop marketing-oriented spammers, but it could be another way to reduce stress on the system. So what should I do now, delete "less favored" people, or wait for Twitter to figure this out?
- Louis Gray
from email
Maybe it's the legacy talking, but I'm really not bothered by this. :P
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I can see why they do it, but it does suck for the people who do it legitimately and are not using stupid mass follow scripts.
- David Risley
I'm not super-concerned either, but it does answer why all of a sudden, I started getting these errors last week. It could be part of their "Making Progress On Spam" initiative via the blog, but it hasn't been spelled out all that clearly.
- Louis Gray
let blame this one on Scobles... :)-
- Peter Dawson
Louis, I think cap is more of the architecture the system. Making it into a more robust platform. Now watermarks have been set, it becomes easier to build consistency of experience and application behavior. <Edit > wait for Twitter to figure it out.. Marketing spammers are targeting the 'stupid' one that have the auto follow !!
- Peter Dawson
gotta like it, if I'm the one you are trying to follow!
- Ben Hedrington
I don't think there should be limits like this, but I guess everything can't be infinite
- Rahsheen?
I honestly am indifferent about it; Twitter is going to hell and i tried my best to convert it; oh well, Hell has cookies
- Gordon Swaby
I"m only following 49... with 106 followers..
- Ian May
so what do you think, Louis, is benhedrington worth going to the mat for?
- Nathan Rein
I'm sure I can find someone to unfollow in exchange for Ben.
- Louis Gray
Twitter needs to build in groups functionality a la tweetdeck for following 2K+ to even be practical.
- Nicholas Molnar
Louis: You need to convince the new people to head over here :)
- Justin Korn
I'm just curious what the rationale is for following that many people.
- Paul Rodriguez
Well, maybe that's why Louis always seems to know what's going on before anybody else.
- Rahsheen?
I've noticed that most of the time I get followed by somebody with a big number, it tends to be marketing play. It triggers the email to you and then you go look and click on their bio link which takes you to the pitch. Very irritating. I always block em.
- Mark Schulz
@Paul Rodriguez, I was wondering that too. I wouldn't have even guessed there are 2000 interesting people in the world </cynicism>, but what fascinate me is that i'm following like 83 people and only about 14 of them tweet regularly. I can assume most of those 2000 do not tweet regularly. Add in the fact that I'm a WAHM to two toddlers, and do other stuff, there'd be a lot of stuff I'd miss.
- Anika
New profit center? Sorry, but now you'll have to join Twitter Pro ....
- Charlie Anzman
Very interesting. System limits is going to be a topic that we all work through in this early phase of the Social Web. It seems to me that it's reasonable to cap the number one follows to 1,000 or 2,000. On the flipside, one would clearly like to enable a very high number of followers. With respect to bi-directional connections, the real number should max at 1,000 to 2,000...
- John McCrea
So where is the point following 30k people? You might as well hit the main timeline. The only thing that is bad about this limit is that it was not there from the beginning.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
so what's going to happen to those who follow over 2000?
- Wayne Sutton
you follow two. thousand. people.??? never mind twitter; there may be a law against that.
- jeneane sessum
I like the new limit. I cannot see how anyone would be able to legitimately follow (and pay attention to) more than 2,000 people. Frankly, even that limit seems higher than it needs to be. If it helps keep Twitter a little more stable, go for it.
- Dennis Metzcher
Couple thoughts: the limit impacts the ability to use the service as a direct message router -- for some people. It also reinforces the need for dectralized microblogging -- so if you want exceed the limits you can do so on your own infrastructure. Lastly, nothing prevents you from following everyone or a subset of people through RSS/feeds.
- Chris Messina
Are we sure that Twitter has set a 2,000 limit are or we cranking up the rumor mill? I've seen image before with respect to my own account - an account which just reached 1,000 followers today. According the Twitter rep who contacted me, I got - ahem - put in "Twitter Prison" for "Aggressive Following" My ratio of Followers to Following was kinda out of whack - at that time I had only ~800 people following me while I was following ~2,800 - They suspended my ability to follow more people. I removed 2K.
- Vincent Wright
I don't understand the motivation for following 2K people if you're not a spammer... someone explain?
- Jason Carreira
Jason: For a entrepreneur/VC/angel networker, it would be very easy to hit 2,000 contacts (assuming you used Twitter like a rolodex). From one networking meeting, I might pick up 0-100+ business cards (more at conferences), and during a heavy season I could be doing 7-10 meetings/week. As a angel, I might want to follow 5,000-10,000+ projects/people. Anyone might have a really good project 2-10+ years down the pipe... I've got cartons/boxes of 3-ring binders of business cards in plastic sheets.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell @Charlie - Rumors aside, do you think the cap is a gesture towards monetization? Going after the power networkers? Seems you would have good cause to pay for a Twitter Pro, or would it just not be worth it?
- joneilortiz
I use Twitter as both a professional development tool (following people who say useful and interesting things abt health / edtech / social media / libraries ...), a personal tool (friends and folk who are amusing), and a reference tool (following a lot of news streams and information resources). You can hit 2000 fast. A friend says that people are imagining new ways in which Twitter could be used, but Twitter seems bound and determined to force them back into some small box of how it "ought" to be.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I would happily follow more than 2000 people, heck I am almost there. And I don't need to see every message. With Tweetdeck it's manageable. I see some Friendfeed users here have thousands to tens of thousands of subscriptions, should we also say it's good to have a cap here? No, please no. I understand that perhaps it has to do with monetization or stressing the system less, these are alas viable reasons.
- Jacob
I suspect I would have preferred whichever one I saw first. The sheer audacity and originality is missing from the second viewing. I, of course, saw the Gene Wilder version first and prefer it.
- DGentry
everything's too safe in the new movie. the original, you never quite know if those kids are okay or not. and whats with the daddy issues in the new film?? must be a burton thing..
- Terry O'Fee
i havent seen the johnny depp one but i heard it sucked. i also noticed they cloned the umpa lumpas
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
The new one didn't really suck, it was just extraneous.
- iTad
the music and design is wonderful. it just can't top the absolute insanity of the original.
- Terry O'Fee
i heard it was Psychedelic. like speed racer if you catch my drift
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
watch the boat scene on youtube. it shows you the madness of it all :)
- Terry O'Fee
Is this a thing about which there is a question? I actually didn't hate the Burton one; Depp had an interesting take on Wonka (which I know a lot of people hated, but I kinda liked that he took it a totally different direction). But I did hate the stupid amount of back story they added.
- Jandy
I would also like to add that when i heard a new wonka movie was going to come out, I thought it was going to be the next book in the series. Are they going to make those?
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
god i hope not. i'm still not happy they're making a hitchhikers guide new book...
- Terry O'Fee
They'd probably have that dreadful-looking Keira Knightley or even worse Scarlett Johannson as Buttercup. *cringe*
- Anika
I much prefer Gene Wilder's take on Wonka, but I dig the art direction of the new Wonka a lot more.
- Jonathan Hardesty
I'd argue that Depp's Wonka is just a more flamboyant version of Ed Wood and not all that original of a portrayal. But that's just my two cents.
- Jonathan Hardesty
that's funny Jonathan - I thought Depp's Wonka was "just a more flamboyant version of Ed Wood" too. totally didn't work for me.
- jbrotherlove
Wilder is not an act you want to follow, so yeah, the original wins the day. That said, though uneven, I still enjoyed the new one in and of itself.
- Micah
I won't choose between the two because I grew up on and am completely in love with the first film and I think that automatically colors me against the newer one. Plus I adore Tim Burton and that puts me at total odds with myself. At any rate, I think Gene Wilder played Wonka exactly as he should have been played. Depp's Wonka was a little too...creepy. In the book Wonka was just a...
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- Hookuh Tinypants
Plus I do a killer spot-on impersonation of Veruca Salt from the original film. :D Song and all.
- Hookuh Tinypants
testing out comments via the shared feature embedded on my site
- (jeff)isageek
Ah, just what every person needs. More Willy in their feed...
- Hookuh Tinypants
WRONG, sir, WRONG! Actually I agree. I just like shouting that sometimes.
- Josh Haley
Mumbler! Seriously, I cannot understand a single word you're saying!
- joey
No one bets the original. Better Movie Better Wonka!
- John Flynn
I enjoyed the Depp version, but there is no doubt in the universe that Gene Wilder is a genius and his Wonka is the gold standard. Also, the original movie itself is pretty much perfect.
- Bob M. Montgomery
My English teacher last year looked like Gene Wilder..probably why I prefer the Johnny Depp version. Having Willy Wonka assign research papers= not a fun time.
- Colette
THAT'S HARD CORE ha3rvey....AND EVEN THOUGH I SHUDDER HAVING TO TYPE YOUR NAME WITH LOWER CASE LETTERS, I HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO YOUR FEED ANYWAY...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING AGAIN?...OH...I GET IT!
- David Cook
THANK YOU FOR THE FOLLOW, Live4Emma. I WILL NOW IMPLEMENT STEPS 2.1 AND 2.2 OF MY PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
YELLING? THIS ISN'T YELLING, THIS IS COMMUNICATING WITH PASSION.
- Sparky, lurking
ALL CAPS ARE LIKE THE 12" WOOFER STACK IN THE BACK OF A SLAMMED SUBURBAN ON 22'S BUMPIN' EPMD....IT AIN'T CULTURED BUT YOU CAN FEEL IT COMIN' A MILE AWAY...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF MY CAR? I FEEL UN-CULTURED NOW.
- Sparky, lurking
"If you live in New York, you don't know how good you have it. I used to get so annoyed with guys from New York and New Jersey throwing their weight around and telling me that there's no good pizza anywhere else but there. They're not exactly right (the best pizza in the country is still in Phoenix), but they're very, very close. New York pizza is on another level than L.A., Detroit—even Chicago. The ingredients are superior, the wood and coal ovens are a pipeline to greatness, and the history and tradition put the experience over the top. But in the end I think the real key is the man in front of the oven. At Mozza, line cooks are making the pies. The guys at UPN, Di Fara, Lucali, and some other joints in New York aren't on the clock. They're people who have their whole lives invested in their pizza. Believe me, you can taste it in the food."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
John's is better than Lombardis imho - and I believe the pie on the left is from John's Bleeker. They also left out my secret spot in E. Village. Yay - more for me.
- Mona Nomura
Omg Haro - you need to roll with me fool.
- Mona Nomura
"Famous Original Ray's?" "Just Ray's Jerry!"
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, same here, Jandy! And the pizza in Raleigh sucks (in comparison to Chicago or NY). That's one thing I really miss about living in Chicago. :-(
- Herb Hernandez
btw, i finally tried Abbot's Pizza in Venice yesterday...what a disappointment.
- edythe
I've had nothing but Chicago Style (and unfortunately St Louis Style) pizza. I really want to try NY pizza to see if it holds it's own against Chicago.
- David Cook
pizza in rome, italy--all i can speak about--is, like chicago's pizza, different but not better.
- edythe
You should go to that one Ray's. :)
- rob friedman
@edythe - yeah, Abbot's is ungreat. Closest I've found around here (so far) to legit east coast pizza are the pies (not the slices) at Bravo in Santa Monica.
- Anthony Citrano
john's on bleeker, john's on 44th and ben's on macdougal...will take out most of the joints listed above...edit: i also want to include lucali and patsy's too.
- Carlos Ayala
bravo in santa monica -- but pies, not slices. ok, will have to try that, anthony.
- edythe
@Tweet, yeah - but I hear a lot of fairly smart people still use the term by itself; I'm still asked frequently if I "believe in God" - and I usually say something like, "well, tell me what it is". I'm always happy to explore the subject - it's a favorite of mine, in fact - but the experience of divinity is so personal, nuanced, complex, that it's just not possible to answer that question accurately unless it's explained much better beyond just the word "God."
- Anthony Citrano
This is the main reason I stopped trying to debate the subject. Every time you pin someone into a logical corner they just change the definition of what they're asserting exists (or doesn't). What's remarkable is that if you can pin someone down to a definition, the exists/doesn't exist question becomes pretty easy to resolve for most definitions.
- Eric P
Anthony: almost every time when I hear the word "God" I replace it in my mind with "Fate." It almost always works. The times when it doesn't are usually when we are hearing something really interesting about God.
- Robert Scoble
To me it's ideally a mutual exploration, it doesn't have to be a ‘debate’ (but, Eric, you're right it very often becomes one.) I was raised a Christian, my mother is a devout Christian, and (with great fascination) I studied comparative religion in school. I have a lot of respect for the world's faiths (the major and the obscure alike), but the beliefs are often so near and dear to someone's heart/soul/identity that they have a hard time being dispassionate about it.
- Anthony Citrano
I mean the Almighty God, the maker of heaven and earth, our Father who is of one essence with the Son and the Holy Spirit. Who allowed Himself in the person of the Son, named Jesus, to dwell amongst us and show us a surpassing way to live and who gave His life so that whoever believed in Him, took up His cross in their own life and followed Him as their Lord would have everlasting life and a resurrection.
- Melanie Reed
I'm more a "Thank the Maker" kind of person. Actually, I think religion is great for those who need it.
- c.a.j.
@Judy - thanks. The problem for me is I don't really know what that means, either. In English, "Father" and "He" are masculine nouns, one being paternal. So is it correct to interpret that to mean you believe in a male person(al) deity, who exists distinct from humanity, but in spacetime somewhere, and in possession of his own particular bounded consciousness (and thus, will)? I don't wish to put words in your mouth, I'm trying to expand your concept a little for the others reading the thread.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, have your ever read Chesterton on this subject? If you haven't you might enjoy him immensely. If you have, I encourage you to go back and read him again...especially "Orthodoxy" http://www.gutenberg.org/etext...
- Melanie Reed
I find that it's parallel to the word 'soul'. Can you meaningfully debate whether or not you have a soul, or whether someone else does? Not unless you know that you're talking about the same thing - and that's tricky because the experience is personal. But as Anthony says, you can enter into a mutual exploration.
- Robin Barooah
Being trained in Scholasticism, I would have to give you a nasty definition involving Being and Nature, consisting entirely of terms which also require extensive and specific definitions. But the upside is that we would get to have a really detailed discussion.
- Alex Scrivener
Anthony: i have found that using the word God/god in most contexts makes you loose authenticity and credibility. Unless we have both previously agreed on what "God/god" is, its confusing and controversial to use.
- Tweet Feeds
Anthony: Is the definition as important as what the expected consequences of belief are?
- Robin Barooah
@Robin - the definition is essential if we are to exchange the word "God" with one another and expect each other to know (or pretend to know) what is meant by it. As for the consequences of such belief, most of them exist independent of the word/definition.
- Anthony Citrano
@Robin Without a definition, consequences are literally meaningless.
- Alex Scrivener
Anthony: The answer to the question "Do you believe in God?" has only one correct answer if you haven't agreed on a God. The answer is "I don't know". I have sometimes said "Does it matter?" to return the communication back to earth. You can also ask them the same exact question instead of answering and say "me too" after they tell you whatever they believe.
- Tweet Feeds
Tweet Feeds I don't think it would be realistic for anyone to lose credibility by using your name or anyone else's , would it? ;)
- Melanie Reed
Alex, Anthony: I'm not convinced about the definition issue. Numerous traditions e.g. Taoism, Hinduism, and the mystical sects within Islam and Christianity (I am not familiar with Judaism) essentially say that attempts to define God will always fail. But that doesn't mean that we can't have a conversation about it.
- Robin Barooah
Anthony, you have hit upon a paradox which always seems so difficult for us to grasp: the idea of the other and the same at once, different yet not a contradiction. We live and mark our existence in a linear way. God does not. He lives, if you will, in a "now", something that is difficult for the best of us to compass. We must ask ourselves what in our time makes it so difficult to ask for the Father's help? Look inside and you will all find that need of Him, though it may confuse or even make angry.
- Melanie Reed
And as far as consequences go - let me clarify - sometimes when people ask me whether I believe in god, I think that what they want to know is whether I uphold one or more of the morés associated with their religion. This is usually not difficult for me to answer, and doesn't generally depend on my definition of the word god.
- Robin Barooah
@Robin RE: Taoism: I hate to sound flip, and I know this comes across as pig-headed, but my only response can be "They are wrong." There is a philosophy doctorate's worth of discussion and argument behind why they are wrong, and I can't possibly give a good account of it here, but more or less my answer is that they are wrong. Definitions are essential.
- Alex Scrivener
Melanie: I think it would be realistic for anyone to lose credibility by using my name without clarifying, especially if nobody else knows who they are talking about. If i kept on referring to "the Oracle" in conversations, am sure someone would want to know if i was talking about the "Oracle of Omaha" or the "Oracle of Delphi"
- Tweet Feeds
Kandeezie there is all manner and type of evidence. I don't need to see that a flood has been in a place if the watermark has been left. I don't need to know that a person I know has been in a room, if I smell their perfume or cologne. I don't need to see my cat has been laying on my bed, to know she has when I put my hand on the warm spot of the comforter. God has left all the evidence we need right here. We just need to open our "eyes" to see it.
- Melanie Reed
Alex: [unintended condescension edited out!] I would be interested in a reference, but without one that's essentially an appeal to authority, which is somewhat ironic given the topic! I presume you're aware that there are numerous historical philosophers as well as living professors of philosophy who would disagree with you.
- Robin Barooah
@Robin: I would hazard that most professors of philosophy would disagree with me. As for a source, a decent place to start is Aristotle's Metaphysics, not as an authority, but as an example of the importance of definitions.
- Alex Scrivener
@Robin - w/r/t definition and the mystical sects, you've hit on the point I intended with the original statement. If we cannot define something well enough to reasonably agree on what it is, we cannot ask each other if we believe in / agree on it.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony: That is why when people are expecting a binary yes/no answer I think they are usually asking about morés.
- Robin Barooah
I mostly agree with @Robin Barooah, which is why I'm quick to answer "no" when asked, as I subscribe to no religion of any sort. But the definition still matters. The God of Abraham and the Gods of Olympus are easy to positively prove the non-existence of. By contrast you can't prove the non-existence of a deistic God. And if the definition is simply "That which kicked off the big bang" I'd have to claim belief, even though God in that case is probably just a vacuum fluctuation, it still exists.
- Eric P
@Melanie - yes, I love paradox, that's why I did this. ;) Without dragging my own beliefs into this, I think I do pretty well with those contradictions; yin/yang, etc. I live Now as well; an Eternal Now, it seems, but only now. I've never experienced the past or the future. In fact, it's always felt like now to me, for as long as I can remember. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
@Melanie - the problem I always have had with that logic is the failure of many dogmatists to accept the possibility of other explanations for their observations. Many fundamentalist Christians, for example, point to the glory of mother nature as "proof" of their God. I find that a bit troubling. I can point to blood on a floor as "proof" that a murder occurred, but intelligent beings would accept that there are myriad other possible explanations.
- Anthony Citrano
Lindsey: agreed - that's a much simpler way of putting it - and I think that's what the question has meant to most people throughout history. The fact most of us can see that the question can have two meanings is a novelty.
- Robin Barooah
@Glen - the trouble with your reasoning is that we could all agree very quickly, with crystal-clarity, what was meant by saying "Glen's friend Lester." I believe in Lester, 100%.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, Alex: some traditions skip over 'belief' and go for understanding - e.g. Zen - where masters recognize that a student has understood, not through assertions about a definition, but through indirect indications. I think you are convincing me that I'm conflating belief with understanding and that you do actually need a definition to talk about belief. But - you don't in order to talk about understanding.
- Robin Barooah
Also, before nation states and police forces, religion was essentially the only law that enabled societies to function - so the question basically meant - 'would I recognize you as a law abiding person'. It seems to me that this use of the term is still very much alive.
- Robin Barooah
its like the quuestion 'have you found God ?" MY reply.. " oh ..was God ever lost ?"
- Peter Dawson
@Robin RE examples: other great examples of the need for definition are the Platonic Dialogues. Most of them are just long exercises in defining terms. Someone makes a statement, and Socrates spends hundreds of pages trying to nail down their terms. He won't agree or disagree with them until he knows what they are really saying.
- Alex Scrivener
Kandeezie you ask for the "scientific" evidence of God. Science itself has plenty of evidence for God, but then you have to be willing to accept science for the limitations that it has: it has no way of encompassing paradox. It accepts things based on the same dull premise of seeing is believing. In that case, an illusionist would have quite a field day. What you and I must understand is that the world is not understood by reason alone; reason will eventually get you to the point of driving in circles ..
- Melanie Reed
until one makes the decision to get out at a particular "street". :)
- Melanie Reed
fyi only.. if you are interested in thought exchange on religion/life theory/religion etc.. then a good place to read up is here < http://groups.google.com/group... >
- Peter Dawson
Alex: couldn't you take socrates as a counterexample? The meaning of the dialog isn't contained in the eventual definition - it's in the 'negative space' created by the process.
- Robin Barooah
Well, I cannnot agree that definitions, at least true ones, are based on agreed upon meanings by a collective: That is where the whole point rubs. For if all agreed that I did not have value or did not exist to a group then my murder, so unfortunate as it might be to me, would mean little to my murderers since they had all agreed it wasn't murder. Definitions then that benefit the good of all must be agreed upon by an Individual whose eternal viewpoint would transcend ours: t