I am glad that the movement is swinging away from just only trying to prevent our children from experiencing the dark side of the internet. We need to place reasonable safeguards as well as opening the lines of communication between parents and children. I work in a school and see every day how hard many parents find it to have uncomfortable discussions with their teenagers. I would love to see a resource that helps encourage and facilitate a positive and open communication between parents and their kids.
- Phillip Miller
this is where Glubble will help you. We provide parents the tools to support their children discover the web and social networking. Instead of locking children or the computer down, or trying to be the experts for parents, we let parents take the responsibility and build a safe and fun web for their children. This way parents can teach their children to be good citizens in the online...
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- Alexander van Elsas
Kids are part of the problem themselves. At my school lots of trouble begins online at social media sites and can even end in fighting. Othertimes it's the other way round. A child is bullied at school and then bullied online too.
- Donald Townsend
from twhirl
Our kids are only allowed to use the computer in the public areas of our house (ie. not their rooms). I am not so naive to think this is the only solution, so I have had discussions with my older kids (11 & 8) about appropriate use, sites, etc. As far as them posting information online, I told them to think about this: If you wouldn't stand up in the middle of your school lunch room and share the same information with everyone, it's probably not a good idea to put it online.
- Dave Gambrill
Dave, that's a good criteria. I'd extend it to say... If you wouldn't stand up in the middle of your school lunch room and share the same information with everyone and allow it to be posted on the school wall forever, it's probably not a good idea to put it online.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Avynn's computer is in a common room, right where I can see him from my office. We have no censorship of any kind on his computer. So far the worst thing he watches is machinima based around Half Life 2 and sometimes Monty Python. He's 12 now, so we'll probably need to have a talk about porn sometime before too long. He doesn't have any friends yet who even know what email or IM is. That'll change in Middle School.
- iTad
Alexander, I'll have to test that out in anticipation. I haven't given up waiting on my little miracles. :) Nice to be prepared though. Thanks for sharing!
- Melanie Reed
@Tad - Watching Monty Python already, eh? Sounds like your kid'll be okay. :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I agree that education is the best form of prevention -- kids are smart, make sure they know how you feel (and why).
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Locking computers and the web down too much gives kids a reason to want to break free. It is so much better to give them a cool experience and teach them about their behavior on the web at the same time. My ultimate goal is for a child to be able to say that his Internet is way more cooler than mom's or dad's Internet. And parents need to be educated and get involved as well. They can't just rely on tools but should be actively involved. They want to, but often do not know how
- Alexander van Elsas
As much as you try, you cannot "protect" your kids online, except by educating them. The weakest links are their friends. I've seen first hand how friends will introduce new people into a network that no one in the existing network knows. Kids don't realize that these new people are "strangers" because they assume "a friend of a friend" is safe. That's one thing I've had to teach my kids -- that friends of friends are strangers unless you know them in the "real world."
- Dominic Jones
And the cc: line in emails is the most common way strangers get into your kids' networks.
- Dominic Jones
Sorry to hog this, but if I can help one person it's worth it. Teach your kids never to share their passwords with their friends. They often do this for things like neopets and webkinz when they're going to be offline for a while and want a friend to take care of their "pets" or keep in good standing on Club Penguin or something. Their passwords often are the same for a variety of sites, including web mail.
- Dominic Jones
I grew up before the age of social media and there was lots of bullying, malicious gossip and harassment, not to mention the creepy guy who stood on the corner in a raincoat. (of course, bringing guns to school wasn't unusual then, you just had to keep them on the gun rack) The Web is just the latest tool for bullies and pervs.
- Robert Hafer
@ Robert Hafer Today, the creepy guy in a raincoat is a sweet-looking 10-year-old girl who is popular with everyone and has all the latest gadgets but absent parents.
- Dominic Jones
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
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Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
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1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Boyd
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
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Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
Installed Slacker on my Curve and am now loading a couple of cached stations to my SD card. Curse you Slacker for needing a PC to do this job when OTA or a web based Mac app would work too.
I would use Google FriendConnect if Facebook hadn't pulled out. They took with them a whole lot of the benefit. Shouldn't it be possible, through the Facebook API, for Google to put FB back in the mix, with or without consent? If so, would that be game, set, match?
- Robert Clockedile
I had planned on adding the Facebook connect plugin for Wordpress until I found out it created user accounts in Wordpress. I don't want that kind of clutter in my DB. Hopefully a simple alternative becomes available soon.
- Mark Krynsky
Great, only now I understand your twitter message (I should have checked here first!) thank you for the link. So yes, I have GFC, but here's what I really have to say about it: http://blog.go2web20.net/2008...
- Orli Yakuel
oi vay, this must get at least 100 comments; carries some weight given your FF rock star status as you note; you're obviously not expecting an Xmas present from your FF buddies this year, looking forward to seeing their retort...
- Bob Sonin
The complexity is what gets me, but really only between Friend Feed and Twitter. There's a feature to autopost to twitter here on ff, and I turned it on and forgot. All of a sudden I've got like a million tweets about my last.fm and google reader stuff. Not to mention that a post direct to twitter went circular.
- adam garrett
I just spent a little time watching your real-time feed. Clearly, I cannot follow anywhere near as many people as you do. I get lost in the flood of data.
- DGentry
Because, of course, more features makes a service better. Right? ;-)
- Brent Newhall
I loved this line: "You can’t handle that, which is why Twitter is for you. Any service that has a tutorial on how to use a feature is just not for you."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
HA! Great reading, Scoble. I lol'ed. Seriously, I did.
- Jandy
my fave "d. You can “Comment” on an item. Here’s my comments. More than 6,000 of them. You really don’t want that kind of distraction. You might have to participate and that wouldn’t be good."
- ernie yacub
Scoble already stated in a previous post that DM'ing sucks, anyway. I don't think a service is going to implement full email-like features when that's not even the point of the service. People can just use email or IM.
- Rah-PM 2012
My point wasn't about the merits of DMing, just that it's possible in friendfeed, but it's the friendfeed way.
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I love this ... where's Dave Winer? hahahaha!
- Susan Beebe
It slays me when people say Friendfeed is more complicated than Twitter. Investing maybe half an hour in setting up Friendfeed *the way I like it* made it highly usable and simple for me. There is nothing I can do to Twitter to make it useful for me except investigate third-party apps and I don't have the patience for that.
- Laura Norvig
I can't help but love this post, but I do still tend to agree with some others that Robert is a tad too belittling at times. Most of the time I'd just say "man the f*ck up," but in this case it's actually a little confusing as to why Robert is so condescending at points.
- Tyler Hayes
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Funny sarcastic post. Gets the point across. Note: in that tutorial, please explain what a 'meme' is b/c it took me 2-3 weeks to figure that out. (**I have no problems admitting my huge learning curve!!**)
- Amani
Those are all good reasons, largely narrowing down to Twitter is >SHOCK< simpler than FF. Which is excellent. They both rock for their own reasons.
- Clay Newton
#11 FriendFeed won't let you change your background image. You love that on Twitter you can put links to your blog, linkedin, etc., in an image instead of tempting them to navigate to there with a real link or distracting them with your superfluous activity from those places.
- Daniel Sims
These are all good reasons... but still. I have met many people that just don't get Twitter. They shout out in space and wait for people to hear them.. - noone does... after a few days/weeks they think its lame and leave never to return. As soon as you understand RSS, Friendfeed its all simple... but the main reason I vote for FF mainstream attraction is the threaded conversations. Everyone can enter "Best of day" and instantly be part of a conversation with others without feeling as an outsider.
- Peter Efland
Summing up.... the tech aspect of FF might be more tricky, but I think the social aspect is easier to get for newbies.
- Peter Efland
So much sarcasm bundled up into one post. Gotta love it. "...why Twitter is for you and FF isn't" http://is.gd/aFOl (via @scobleizer)
- Chinkerfly
Do you agree with Robert that FriendFeed is way too complicated for most social media users? ;-)
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
FriendFeed has layer upon layer of usefulness. I've been using it a *lot* for the last few months and I still learn new things now and then. Once people start using FF there's often an 'a ha!' moment and then things pick up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I don't actually get Twitter, I use it,but only to simultaneously feed into FB and FF.. (espcially wihen I'm mobile). I rarely hit the site to read since the ppl that I want to follow also feed into FB which I find much more my cup o tea.
- Kelly W.
I still like using both... FF is my place you can find and read everything and twitter is more like a notification service of my online and other activities.
- Sullivan
Alright, I laughed : ) but I'm not sure this was such a great idea.
- Jeremy
I love the twist on this article. We need more people falling in love with FriendFeed. More people = more variety of content. As of now, it's too tech centric. I think as more people grow more comfortable with 'feeds' this service will go mainstream. Right now, people are just getting the value of commenting in Facebook. I think that's funny. :/
- Patrick
Totally agree, but over in China walled gardens are all the rage. Why? Because they still think customers are like roaches: they should be able to come into their service, but never leave. It's influenced by their knowledge that services can be cloned here within days for very little money (software developers here make $10,000 to $25,000 per year). So, they are always looking to put up walls as ways to keep customers from switching to other services. That attitude is starting to change, though, even here. It gives me hope for the future.
- Robert Scoble
We can't forget that walled gardens are ostensibly attractive places to the uninitiated. There's a lot of beauty and order there that is appealing to those who aren't yet familiar with the scenery of the great, rugged wilderness that is the open network. It seems like every time a walled garden dies somewhere, a new one springs up to take its place (proprietary OS --> cloud computing being a recent example). I think we haven't seen the last of them until open platforms become more successful.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
There are still many users that like walled gardens as well. It gives them a sense of security that their comments are available only to a known audience, protected from the scrutiny of the bigger, rough & tumble world stage.
- Erik Britt-Webb
When you haven't had walls or gardens maybe a walled garden isn't so bad?
- Todd Hoff
drop.io used to have a conference call number associated with each drop, it worked really well. But this seems like it is no more?
- felix
Neat. I've wanted somewhere I can upload some audio clips to :)
- CannonGod
from twhirl
Drop.io also one of those entities that understand how to connect with people these days, they're on Twitter (@Dropio and @Dropio_support) and responsive.
- John Ferringer
from twhirl
I love drop.io. The conference call number is still there. You have to assign an admin password to the drop and log in to see it. They had an open conference call last Friday. Anyone could dial in and ask questions. After the call I recorded a little audio update, using drop.io to summarize what was discussed. http://twurl.nl/w83quy I'd like to see some Twitter integration. Now they let...
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- Kevin Shannon
It's cool. It gives me a nice geek buzz, but I can't figure out what to do with it. It doesn't integrate with anything else, after all, other than the cool but non-xml compliant upload widget.
- Rick Powell
I bookmarked the site a few weeks ago when they announced free faxing...a fax machine is something I hardly ever use & don't want to pay a monthly service for.
- Paul Arterburn
I love drop.io as well. When Pownce announced their file-sharing slant on the service, I immediately thought about drop.io to fill that void. Definitely one of the better services out there!
- Bwana ☠