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Goran Zec
"A view of the Salton Sea at Sunset. The three threes in the photo are somewhat famous dead oaks, and they have been photographed by many people before me. This location resides in the Sonny Bono Wildlife Refuge at the southern shore of the Salton Sea." - Goran Zec from Bookmarklet
Derrick
Canon EOS 7D Glimpse, Details Leaked - Canon EOS 7D - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5340910...
Canon EOS 7D Glimpse, Details Leaked - Canon EOS 7D - Gizmodo
"What's $2700, has built-in flash, and comes with an EF 28-135mm lens for an extra $200? According to Best Buy inventory system and this image leaked in a forum, it's the new Canon EOS 7D." - Derrick from Bookmarklet
Wonder what the AF system is like? I don't like how limited it is in the Canon 5D mk II. - Benjamin Golub
Is that a microphone above the 7D logo? Does that mean video? - David C. Cooper
I find it interesting it has a built in flash, too. - Derrick
Hope this will drive down the price of the 5D MkII. - Jeffrey Stephen
Is it supposed to be a full frame body? - Håkan Dahlström
Ben Hanten
Hey Chrome users, how many times per day does your tab accidentally peal off into its own window? For me it's an average of 11. 11 times per day.
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Way too often. Every time Chrome does that to me, I'm more tempted to shut it down and use Safari instead. In fact, I'm using Safari right now so I won't have to deal with it. Same WebKit, more stable browser. - Dennis Jernberg
All the time! But sometimes i'm quite thankful that its that easy to do it. - Simon Wicks
Happens to me all the time with Firefox, had do install an extension to prevent it from happening. On Chrome not once, didn't even know it can be done. - Remo
Far too annoyingly often. They need to sort that out somehow. - Martin Bryant
It seems to do it less after Chrome 3 decided to upgraded itself yesterday. - Gregg Le Blanc
frequently...very annoying - Katy Barrilleaux
Only seems to do this in the morning, on XP, after it's been sitting there all night - Brandon Ball
I can live with it, but man does it suck. Too sensitive. - Ben Hanten
Doesn't happen when I use it. - Morton Fox
happens to me a lot but it's because I brush the touchpad with my finger or palm of my hand. - Jim: with more caffeine!
Happens to me about once every other day; trying to figure out what causes it. - Stephen Mack
This does not happen to me at all in Chrome but it happens all the time in Firefox. What extension did you use Remo? - Skyler Call
This happens countless times a day for me... - Chad Spacey
once or twice a week. - Chieze Okoye
That happens to me a couple times a day - Simon Cartel
Never - Brian Sullivan
1-2 - RAPatton from iPhone
Maybe once...happens when the system comes under heavy load for any reason. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
2-3 - τorƍue
I'm not sure what I'm doing differently, but that's only happened to me 2 or 3 times period since I've been using it. - Tony Miller
does anyone know definitively WHAT causes this to happen? I have cut down on the number of times, but I'd like to get it down to 0! - Katy Barrilleaux
Well it just happened to me again today, which makes it twice today. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It usually seems to happen when my CPU is working really hard. For some reason the command to tell the mouse to let go of the tab doesn't get processed and then I end up with 2 Chrome windows instead of my desired 1. I'd say 11.11 is a little too high for me, but 3-5x easy. - Bryan Zirkel
Way too often. Very frustrating - RetiredTeacherD
Moving mouse downward does it. I don't have trouble.... - mjc from iPhone
Bibi
Two Weeks - Grizzly Bear - http://vimeo.com/5904993
Two Weeks - Grizzly Bear
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Wait, there are TWO videos for this? - Iain Baker
How do you mean Iain? - Franc, a rememberer
No, that isn't the official video. The guy created the animation for the song. Or you could say that's an animation with the song, not the band's musical video. - Bibi
Ah, that clears it up - thanks Bibi :) Oh, and Franc - here's the one i've seen http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Iain Baker
It's a soothing song. I like :) - Franc, a rememberer
Hey nice find. I am about 5 secs in or so and like it. Sounds abit like AHA in places but am liking it. off now to acquire for my iTunes collection - Kevin J Hatton
That riff is killing me. What does it remind me of? - Kevin J Hatton
Thanks Ian! I didn't know the band's video. PS.: I liked much more Gabe Askew's animation. :) - Bibi
Derrick
LensRentals.com - Rent Canon, Nikon, Olympus, or Sony Lenses and Cameras - http://www.lensrentals.com/for-all
LensRentals.com - Rent Canon, Nikon, Olympus, or Sony Lenses and Cameras
LensRentals.com - Rent Canon, Nikon, Olympus, or Sony Lenses and Cameras
LensRentals.com - Rent Canon, Nikon, Olympus, or Sony Lenses and Cameras
"We have the most stock of any online rental company. Period. With 2067 lenses—not counting cameras or accessories—odds are good that we have the things you want right now. Need it fast? Sure thing. We're just down the road from FedEx's main hub, letting us ship better and faster than everyone else. Worried about quality? We are too. Premium service means going out of our way to do things right. We try to be the best rental company there is. Our second-to-none customer satisfaction shows that we've succeeded." - Derrick from Bookmarklet
I've never used an online rental place before. Anyone have any experience using these people? - Derrick
wow! I'd be interested as well! - Live4Emma (L4S)
Good to know, JA. I really wanna play with that 85mm 1.2 but seeing as to how I don't have a spare $2K lying around, I'll give it a shot. You're endorsement means a lot. *fist bump, mi hermano* - Derrick
I've heard nothing but good things about these guys. I'm constantly tempted to rent a 5D mkII from them for a week, but I'm afraid I'd just want to keep it when the week was up. Maybe I'll rent one over Christmas or something. - Jordan Hofker
I rented some lenses and lighting equipment from them a couple of years ago. Very easy to deal with, good service and cheap too. - Rafael Robayna
I reserved the lens yesterday and it seemed painless enough. We'll see when it gets here next week. - Derrick
Derrick: I haven't used the place you ordered from but I have rented from borrowlenses.com (now I live by them). The first lens I rented was the 85mm 1.2L too. It's an unbelievable lens even though it's EXTREMELY slow, here are some shots I took on the first day (http://bit.ly/10ozoD). Not having $2k laying around for a lens either, I recently purchased the 50mm 1.4f for ~$375. Overall... more... - Brandon
Brian Sullivan
"Canon might have announced a slew of new compacts today, but we're thinking the most exciting news might be this image of the legendary EOS 7D. That flash button would indicate the presence of a built-in flash, and those mic holes hint at video features, but apart from that we've got little else to go on -- there are whispers that the Best Buy inventory system is listing the body at $2700 and the kit with an EF 28-135 lens at $2900, but we can't verify those at the moment. We're dying to find out more about this one, stay tuned." - Brian Sullivan from Bookmarklet
Marco
Fwd: Canon PowerShot S90 brief hands-on: Digital Photography Review - http://www.dpreview.com/news... (via http://friendfeed.com/juniper...)
Fwd: Canon PowerShot S90 brief hands-on: Digital Photography Review - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09081906canons90handson.asp (via http://ff.im/6Qxq4)
f2, focus ring, better iso performance, tiny as hell, shoots raw... I want - Rafael Robayna
WANT. - Derrick
Sweet! The G11 sounds really good, too. Decisions decisions… - Alan
that ring is kicks ass! plus 28mm equiv. lens. only two negs: no HD video and no view finder. i can live without both but they are something i look for in a P&S. - Marco
Would get this over the G11. Lack of HD vid isn't that critical yet. - rönin
Wowsa! - Adrian
Sasha Kovaliov
2009 Prix Pictet Environmental Photography Shortlist Announced. - http://www.inhabitat.com/2009...
2009 Prix Pictet Environmental Photography Shortlist Announced.
Although its name implies tongue twisters or dancing dwarfs, Prix Pictet is a distinguished international photography award for artists focused on environmental sustainability and has just announced their shortlist. Last year’s winner, Benoit Aquin, documented the effects and creation of deserts in China. This year’s 12 nominees depict the destruction of the environment through the exploitation of the world’s resources. - Sasha Kovaliov from Bookmarklet
Kol Tregaskes
Sean McBride
CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years - http://www.easenews.net/...
CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years
July 15, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comments disabled - Share
"A study conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has cast doubt over Israel’s survival beyond the next 20 years.CIA on Future of Israel The CIA report predicts “an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region.” The study, which has been made available only to a certain number of individuals, further forecasts the return of all Palestinian refugees to the occupied territories, and the exodus of two million Israeli – who would move to the US in the next fifteen years." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"He said CIA, in its report, alludes to the unexpectedly quick fall of the apartheid government in South Africa and recalls the disintegration of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, suggesting the end to the dream of an ‘Israeli land’ would happen ‘way sooner’ than later." - Sean McBride
WOW, this is an interesting study...however its aim seems to be little more than a self-fulfilling prophecy...out of touch with realities. - Hayk
Not if I can help it! And I am not alone! Israel is my home, my Jewish home! Israel does not belong to UN, CIA, or America! Sean, your antisemitism is offensive! You may not like Israel to be a Jewish state, but your fixation with the topic smells foal Do you talk about any other political issues besides the Jews? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Actually, this may be the most plausible and realistic scenario out there at the moment. The comparison of Israel to apartheid white South Africa is especially telling. - Sean McBride
This potential scenario is why it's in Israel's interest to implement a two-state solution as quickly as possible. - John (bird whisperer)
John -- I think the opportunity to implement a two-state solution has slipped by. Too late. Now Israel is on a collision course with the entire world, and especially with the Western democratic world -- much like apartheid white South Africa just before its collapse. - Sean McBride
Sean, guessing or predicting future in itself is quite unrealistic - clairvoyant and astrologers would fare better...but making a guess as wild as that - let apart for the moment sympathies for or grudges against Israel - is just a plain timewaster unless of course it is driven by some misleading PR agenda.. - Hayk
Igor -- how many Americans and Europeans, from presidents and heads of state on down, have been attacked by pro-Israel activists at this point -- often viciously attacked? (See, for instance, Pamela Geller's posts on Barack Obama at Atlas Shrugs: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_s...) This is one of those fateful trendlines that tends to give credence to this scenario. Israel should never have become an issue of ugly contention in American and European politics. - Sean McBride
Apartheid...ok, I know some people call it that. But a CIA report calling it that? An official US government report using the Apartheid with the word Israel? Doesn't that raise the 'bs' meter to some folks? That would be basically unheard of. I mean, the use of that word alone raises into question the entire existence (or lack thereof) of this report. Has anyone seen a link that doesn't... more... - Andrew Leyden
Andrew -- the previous Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, used the word "apartheid" to describe self-destructive trends in Israeli politics. The meme has been out there in a big way for some time. Try Googling ~israel ~apartheid for a torrent of results. It wouldn't be surprising if the CIA has noticed. - Sean McBride
Sean are you calling Vatican city an apartheid state? Should Jews Catholic, Muslims, Gays, Atheists, and all kind of agnostic people reside at Vatican City, just because Sean is an Atheist who denounces all religious believes? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Sean, by the same logic, America needs to remove "In God we Trust" from its currency. Remove One nation under God in its Constitution. Why not in #PurplCow we trust? or even PurpleCows! Or better yet, in Sean McBride we trust, Oh Lordship! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hi Sean. I've done a google search but all I get is the same old same old. Quotes read almost verbatim from other quotes (i.e. a key sign that it is a story being passed virally rather than others having seen something and writing independently). Many of the sites who have picked up the story are biased, to say the least. Maybe I'm just more skeptical than most, and if there is a report I'd like to see more (really, I'd like to see it), but even just a quick search has my BS detector beeping. - Andrew Leyden
I'm pretty sure "one nation under god" does not appear in the U.S. Constitution. - John (bird whisperer)
Yes, John it is in the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America which is charted by the constitution! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Andrew -- you find it unrealistic that that the CIA might be speculating that Israel could be facing the same fate as apartheid white South Africa? Nothing could be more realistic -- these ideas have been circulating at the highest policy circles around the world for years now (including in Israel). - Sean McBride
Igor, certainly you are not trying to have a rational discussion with Sean on this subject, are you? It's not possible but anyway, I enjoy your fervor. - Myrna
Maybe America needs to pledge allegiance to CIA, or Rober Scoble, or FAIL WHALE LMAO #failwhale - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Yes, it's in a revised version of the Pledge of Allegiance, but the Pledge and the Constitution are different documents. - John (bird whisperer)
Myrna, thanks! I am just trying to point out what type of hypocrite Sean McBride is. And how much alternative agenda PR propaganda Sean has been doing on FriendFeed anti-Israel and against the Jewish people, for the past year. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Never happen. This sounds like more end of the worlder stuff. As that is the only way Israel would dissolve. Historically Israel has zero in common with South Africa. - Todd Hoff
Igor -- should non-ethnic Germans be barred from living in Germany or be deported from Germany? Wait -- that was tried. It was called Nazism. Apartheid white South Aftica also tried to play that game. - Sean McBride
John, I realize the Pledge and the Constitution are different documents, but you Pledge to the country which is governed and created by the Constitution. under the declaration of independence. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm not sure if the time for a two-state solution has passed, but I think it's perilously close. The trouble is that Israel's moderates will have to fight hard against extremist elements to get any such solution implemented (when I say "extremists" I mean people of the sort that assassinated Rabin). That fight will take time and effective leadership, which I doubt Netanyahu can provide given his dependence on right-wing elements to stay in power. - John (bird whisperer)
"Israel risks apartheid-like struggle if two-state solution fails, says Olmert" (November 30, 2007) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world... "Israel's prime minister issued a rare warning yesterday that his nation risked being compared to apartheid-era South Africa if it failed to agree an independent state for the Palestinians. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper... more... - Sean McBride
Well Sean, when you can show yourself as unbiased individual, ny talking about other stuff besides Israel and the Jewish people, we can have an open and logical discussion. Until then, please study the Jewish history, like millenniums of persecution from Exile to Egypt as slave to Holocaust. Now read this article to start with The Western Wall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Sean, you're not really that gullible are you? Obviously Ehud Olmert had his personal/political motives when he made those comments. LOOOOL - Myrna
Myrna -- is the substance of Olmert's comments correct? Israel is now in a state of sharp conflict with the entire Western democratic world over the issue of settlements -- we've seen this pattern before with militant ethnocentric states that got on the wrong side of mainstream Western democratic values and trends. - Sean McBride
There are 4,720,000 Google hits on the Israeli apartheid issue -- it is huge: http://www.google.com/#q=~isr... One doesn't need the presence of an alleged secretive CIA report on the matter to get the picture. The controversy is screaming at one in full public view. - Sean McBride
Sean - Do I think the US is speculating Israel may end up like South Africa? Yup. Have people called it Apartheid? Yup. Do I think this specific report is bogus? Yes. It fails on so many alarms it's not funny. EVERY google reference I could find was a direct verbatim link back to the original, which is apparently from PRESS.TV! I mean, Press.TV. It uses loaded language like Apartheid,... more... - Andrew Leyden
Sean, you are in the 1% vision of our limited 5 senses. :) Haven't you ever had something happen in your ownpersonal life that were completely unexplainable? Whether Israel lives on is in the 99%. It's not up for discussion unless you simply want a back and forth intellectual dialogue. - Myrna
Amein! Now Sean, go have a Cheezeburger! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Myrna -- are you saying that you have access to mystical faculties that permit you to refute and dismiss Ehud Olmert's remarks about apartheid without any rational arguments? :) Or am I misunderstanding you? Where do you think the current conflict between Israel and the Western democratic world over Israeli settlements is going? - Sean McBride
Sean, I think you have enough energy on this post for it to qualify for 'best of the day' maybe best of the month lol :))) - Myrna
Andrew -- I don't know whether this report exists or not. I do know that the points of view that are being ascribed to the alleged report are being discussed openly in high policy circles all around the world, and within the United States. An Israeli prime minister gave a strong push to the meme in 2007 (see the quote from the Guardian article above). The debate over these issues... more... - Sean McBride
20 years, isn't that what the scholars said about capitalism? - xero
Sean, I think whatever is 'supposed' to happen...WILL! I think that the settlers will be forced to give up their need to 'hoard'(due to their own fear) and stop letting their egos control their behavior. That said, there are lessons for Israel and the rest of the world that continue to show up. Each of us(including regions, states, etc) have lessons to work through which can't be... more... - Myrna
xero -- some analysts predicted that the apartheid white regime in South Africa would collapse; that the U.S. war in Vietnam would fail; that the newspaper industry would collapse; that the American automotive industry would collapse; that Communism would collapse; that the Iraq War would prove to be a debacle for the United States, etc. Sometimes forecasters get it right. - Sean McBride
Myrna -- with regard to karma: I've read a great deal of Buddhist texts and am wide open to non-rational modes of consciousness. But I've noticed that political movements which rely heavily on mysticism and messianism tend to misread reality and self-destruct on a regular basis. With regard to the settlements and settlers: my prediction is the opposite of yours. I am predicting that... more... - Sean McBride
Forecasts sometimes turn out to be right, but sometimes turn out to be wrong because of forces the forecasters didn't foresee. A wrong forecast doesn't mean forecasts are not worth taking seriously; they represent potential scenarios based on current trends. If this is really a CIA report, it's worth considering since they likely have access to information that we don't. - John (bird whisperer)
Andrew: wow -- the discussion about this alleged CIA report has been much more widespread than I realized. I just did a quick Google search and discovered: http://www.google.com/#q=cia+... Since Ehud Olmert, Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu and dozens of other leading political figures and intellectuals have outlined a similar scenario in recent years, it's not surprising... more... - Sean McBride
Igorovich, interesting you mention the Wailing Wall. Isn't that is a rather late historical invention? Wasn't for centuries the Mount of Olives the place were the destruction of the temple was celebrated? This CIA report is clearly a hoax, but not such a bad one. The best hoaxes always contain a grain of truth. - LeaNder
Temple Mount is where the temple was, Mount of Olives is higher than the Temple Mount and was used for celebration and mornings for the temple. But these aside, read the Wikipedia page on Western Wall to see how the Jews were persecuted and denied to pray there, by the Arabs. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Israel vs. the Western democratic world: the Western democratic world strongly: 1. opposes Jewish settlements in the occupied territories 2. supports the creation of a viable Palestinian state 3. opposes a military attack on Iran. 4. opposes ethnic nationalist, religious nationalist, and ethno-religious nationalist states in general. The United States has just been badly burned in a war... more... - Sean McBride
FriendFolks….. hel-lo!!??? All this talk for and against Sean's bullshit hypothesis is of no consequence. Go, take a look at the map. Israel has nowhere to go, and so, if threatened with destruction, it will make life pretty unbearable for its attackers (current concentration-camp-like conditions in Gaza will be nothing in comparison: http://www.paltoday.com/arabic...... more... - ianf ⌘
ianf -- there are more subtle factors in play than military force in the rise and fall of nations throughout history. Apartheid white South Africa was highly confident in its military prowess and its ability to mete out suffering to its opponents. Still, it sank like a stone. Ethnic nationalist states in general are on shaky ground in the 21st century -- history has passed them by. - Sean McBride
Let's get something clear here, Sean. You can pontificate on the historical parallels or analogies all you like but, for reasons too various to mention, Israel established itself firmly where it is when it was given half a chance (in 1947-1948). The Palestinian Arabs didn't grab the same chance then extended to them - nor any other, however crippled, chances they had later (Anwar Sadat... more... - ianf ⌘
I can't think of a forecast over a period longer than 2 years that has ever been met as expected. - xero
ianf -- within the larger sweep of history, these arguments back and forth about who is right and who is wrong are meaningless. The rise and fall of nations is always the product of an intersection and combination of real-world physical factors. Nations and regimes on the decline are almost always in denial, and are usually brimming over with clever arguments assembled by propagandists like Frank Luntz to explain why what is really happening isn't really happening. - Sean McBride
xero -- I can think of quite a few forecasts over periods longer than 2 years that have been accurate on the main points, if not on all the details and particulars. I've made a few of them myself. :) It's not difficult: simply see clearly what is directly in front of your nose and trust your own perceptions. - Sean McBride
I've spoken to Benny Morris last year after a public lecture on the possible outcomes of the Israeli-Arab conflicts [amend: pluralis] in the region, too complex to summarize here. He concluded the talk with this (here paraphrased) winged sentence: "Of course, all those scenarios will be moot once Iran reaches the stage of producing enough plutonium - after which all bets are off." Benny... more... - ianf ⌘
ianf -- I've read Benny Morris's books, and know his story -- and am pleased to see that you are familiar with his thinking also. Obviously you've invested some serious effort in trying to figure out this complex situation. Apparently we've come to different conclusions after analyzing the key data and trends, but differences keep the world interesting. - Sean McBride
How to predict social, political, cultural, scientific and technological futures: identify the best, the strongest upcoming minds in any field or area of activity, and graph where they are trending. They will often be trending directly against the status quo and into the unimaginable. - Sean McBride
Andrew and Leander: I am pretty good at spotting hoaxes, and have often called them out when they appear on the Internet. After mulling over the comments about this alleged CIA report, I think it is for real, although the description of the report may be distorted here and there in the particulars. Why do I think it is real? Look and feel. Political context. Style. It smells like the... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, are you happy? You don't give it up for 1 second. Take a hint from ianf. RELAX!!! What do you do for fun..analyze the world situation? If you really had the answer, then what? How are you helping the world to be more sharing, giving, caring and loving? - Myrna
Sean, you are a False Prophet, Israel will survive. The Jews will survive. Israel is given by God to the Jewish people as a gift to the whole world. Please read this post and the comments http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
One sees more irrationality, illogic and fantastical and magical thinking associated with Mideast politics than with probably any other topic under the sun. It's fascinating stuff, and exceedingly dangerous stuff. - Sean McBride
I reccon Israel will prolly be about where it is in 20 years. - Will Higgins™
Igor: you should check out Glenn C. Altschuler's "Einstein and Complex Analyses of Zionism" in the July 24, 2009 issue of Forward: http://www.forward.com/article...: "“Judaism Does Not Equal Israel” is a sharper — and shriller — version of Einstein’s critique of the Jewish state. A “post-Holocaust” theology, according to Marc Ellis, professor of Jewish studies and director of the... more... - Sean McBride
(Continued) "'Acknowledging that Israel is not likely “to reverse its expansionist course,” Ellis ends with mourning — and a warning. No state, he writes, apocalyptically, can exercise power over others indefinitely. As the day of reckoning nears, the children of Israel “will encounter such hollowness at the core of Jewish identity that their distance from things Jewish will increase until, incrementally, the core disappears” and Jewish affiliation dwindles “to the point of no return.”" - Sean McBride
Sean, The Judaism core will never disappear.Israel will never disappear. Israel and Judaism is one and the same. Judaism will live forever. This is God's will. Amein - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- many of the best Jewish minds of the last century, including Albert Einstein and Marc Ellis, strongly disagree with the claim promoted by religious Zionists and Jewish fundamentalists that Zionism = Judaism. In fact, they have argued persuasively that that cult belief is a form of false messianism that is destined to provoke a great catastrophe for the Jewish tradition. I am placing my bets on those thinkers, not on the fundamentalists. - Sean McBride
google(false ~messianism OR ~messiah http://www.google.com/#q=fals...) Also: google(false ~messianism OR ~messiah harkabi http://www.google.com/#q=fals...) - Sean McBride
My bet is with God. So is my heart and my soul. ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I don't buy the comparison with South Africa in part because of the strict economic sanctions South Africa suffered due to Apartheid that Israel does not suffer (well, yet). It may be a real report, but strikes me as so much speculation right now. - Rob H.
First of all, that is the one of the most shady and terribly written articles I have ever seen. Hard to see that as an authoritative source. Second, there are zillions of experts predicting the future all the time. How many end up being right? Not many. I think that with the ever increasing trend of anti-semitism around the world, more and more Jews will seek to make their lives in... more... - Miriam
Miriam -- since a former Israeli prime minister (Ehud Olmert) and a former American president (Jimmy Carter) have already pushed this meme into public discourse, it wouldn't be surprising to learn that the CIA has been exploring this scenario in secret. I am betting that the story is essentially true. The references to the collapse of white South Africa and the Soviet Union sound very CIA-ish stylistically. - Sean McBride
"biased-for-rationality" self-perception and social perception ... Igorovitch, your sermon I should study Jewish history and antisemitism is late by several decades now. Do want me to list what I read about it. How about comparing? What did you read? My problem in a nutshell: based on my knowledge, I am slightly puzzled by the similarities of the Jewish perception of the "Arab mind". - LeaNder
"Israel is given by God to the Jewish people as a gift to the whole world. ", yes indeed, it looks like. The gift of WWIII/IV and armageddon. - LeaNder
Armageddon is something that will come if the world makes it come. There is always hope for the human race. If you looking to blame Israel and the Jews for your problems, get in line! You will not be first, or the last to do it.. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Miriam -- I was under the impression that the rate of emigration from Israel now exceeds the rate of immigration. Did I get that wrong? It is also interesting that most of the most fervent pro-Israel activists on the net have chosen not to live in Israel. For them, Israel is mostly a myth and a fantasy. For many reasons, they would prefer to live in the United States or Europe, which... more... - Sean McBride
Miriam: google(israel ~emigration ~immigration) popped up this article at the head of the search results: "Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report" http://stlouis.ujcfedweb.org/page... "Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with the government, the education system, a... more... - Sean McBride
Who will make Armageddon come are fanatics, armed with WMDs, who believe that an angry and vengeful God is on their side in an apocalyptic struggle against the rest of the world. - Sean McBride
Bogdan Costea -- you are voicing basic beliefs that are held by all modern Western democratic societies: enough with the ethnic and religious ranting! :) It couldn't be more simple. - Sean McBride
Ok, Sean, you do not want to be honest, I am telling all my friends Jews and conservatives to stay awy from you and your debate. You bait us to come your slender antisemitic thread, and they you sanitize and refactor the comments to fit your biased hidden agenda! Have a nice day! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- feel free to post any comments in this thread that are civil (an absolute requirement) and, preferably, factual and rational. With regard to your claim that God is on your side: most educated people do not make that claim, because they are familiar with the long history of savage and genocidal bloodshed conducted by various parties and sects, all of which claimed that God was on... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, we are not talking in the vacuum! All I asked what country do you live in and what is your profession. I did not ask you for your credit card number. I would like to know what is your interest in Israel and the Jews. simple questions! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- why would you try to tell other people with whom they should speak or debate? That is the kind of attitude one finds in totalitarian cults. With regard to my agenda, I couldn't be more direct and honest: I think fundamentalist thinking of all kinds represents a grave threat to the American interest, and to the well-being of the human race at large. I have lately been... more... - Sean McBride
Oh, and I have no problem telling people what I do. I have no hidden agendas. I am a Israeli citizen, a Jew, living in Japan. I am a businessman, who likes to travel and write. ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- I am an American citizen and have always lived in the United States. I do computer consulting. One of my interests is American foreign policy in general, and American Mideast policy in particular -- this is a very big topic on the American scene for all the obvious reasons. What is your nationality and where do you live? - Sean McBride
Thank you! As I wrote above, I am an Israeli citizen, a Jew, living in Japan. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- so this is where we differ: when you discuss Mideast politics, you are arguing from the standpoint of what you perceive to be your ethnic interests and the Israeli interest, which is perfectly legitimate. Most Americans view and analyze Mideast politics from the standpoint of the American interest, period. They do not live in an Israel-centric universe. (Christian Zionists and... more... - Sean McBride
Sean: Some advice: Don't feed the trolls. Chuckle at their statements, but don't give in to the temptation to reply. When you engage with them, they win. I should know, I've been a troll, myself. - Chris Charabaruk
Chris -- I take the point of view that anyone can possibly be redeemed -- even trolls, :) I always give them an opportunity to try to make sense and enter into a real conversation -- up to a point. - Sean McBride
Igor -- regarding Jewish issues: I confess to being a philo-Semite, and even, on occasion, a Jewish supremacist, in the sense that I believe that Jewish civilization has generated a more interesting conversation about the world than any other civilization I can think of. A majority of the minds that have most impressed and influenced me have been Jewish. But none of these luminaries... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, is calling me a Troll part of rational debate? If you want rational debate from me and other Jewish conservatives, treat us with respect, and do not use ad hominem against us when it is convenient to slender us on Robert Scoble, Alex Scoble or any other place where it fits your agenda. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- dropping "The Troll" from your user name might be a good public relations move. :) - Sean McBride
Sean if I wish to wear Magen David on my forehead, or a Jew in my name, that is my choice and my right? But when you see me with a sign Jew, are You going to call me Jew, Nick? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- for me, Jewishness is more about a set of elevated universal values than about simple ethnicity: love of learning and scholarship, the quest for truth and universal justice, charity and philanthropy, love of family, etc. Focusing too much on the ethnic nationalist side of the Jewish tradition draws attention away from the values which matter most, and which command the greatest... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, if you love Jews and Judaism so much, show some respect to the Jewish people, and try to get to know them. Not just their ideas, but what makes them who they are.Keep it up, we may convert you one of these days! hahhahhahahahhaha ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- I have already shown great respect and affection for many Jews, but on the basis of their individual achievements. I neither love nor hate entire ethnic groups -- that is an attitude that is walking perilously close to primitive racism. Ethnic groups are abstractions -- what matters is the individual behavior of members of those groups, and the ways in which those individuals... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, I wish what you have just said were true, but you have attacked, marginalized, labeled and called irrational me and my Jewish friends all other FriendFeed. If you want rationality from me, Noah, Akiva, and other Jewish friendffeders, you should show us respect, or we will just feed you Sean haz a Cheezburger! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- is it fair to say that you, Noah David Simon and Akiva Moskovitz are religious Zionists whose views do not reflect those of the large majority of Jews? We have honest intellectual disagreements. I have treated you all with civility and offered you the opportunity to express your views at whatever length you choose. I am under no obligation to automatically agree with whatever... more... - Sean McBride
I never said I am a Zionist, but you have labeled me as one. I do not know if Noah is religious or a Zionist, you need to ask him. I do not even know if Akiva is a Zionist and religious. You are jumping to conclusions and labeling us, and then you have the audacity to call us irrational for having certain believes or not! What is rational, something that you determine is so and approve?... more... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- religious Zionism is by definition the belief that Israel and Zionism (the ethnic nationalist movement founded by Theodor Herzl) is a sacred enterprise ordained by God and originating in biblical commandments. Leading Jewish and Israeli scholars have written hundreds of valuable books on the subject -- check them out on Amazon.com. There is nothing defamatory about the term --... more... - Sean McBride
One admires Einstein because he made revolutionary contributions to physics that were grounded in reality. He was a brilliant universalist, not a strident ethnic nationalist. - Sean McBride
Again with libels, who are you calling Strindent Ethnic Nationalist? Go read my blog, go read Noah's blog. Get to know something about us, besides your first perception of us because Scoble called us Jerks and blocked us. If you are intelligent man, do you need Scoble to guide your judgement? LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- if you can explain how your views differ from those of religious Zionists, do so. You have repeatedly invoked "God" as the driving force behind Israel, right? In the world of politics, the invocation of God to justify one's actions is usually the projection of the will to power by various interest groups. Anyone can play that game. - Sean McBride
Why are you asking me about God? Read the bible. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Thanks for making my case once again. - Sean McBride
The following is mainly of anecdotic value, but in a sense symptomatic of the "spirit" of any "Sean-imaginary" understanding the Israeli villains should be seeking with their Palestinian brethren: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News... (fetched from Israeli press, ergo obviously biased against, etc, etc.) - ianf ⌘
Sean, I feel that your circular rhetoric polemic agreement is just for the sake of arguing. You like to debate! LOL If not, what is the point of all of this? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, your reasoning about Sean's reasoning being circular is also circular - endlessly debating is what we do here in lieu of throwing physical objects at one another. Of course it's circular! But so is objecting to it being merely for argument's sake… - ianf ⌘
lets play chess LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
ianf -- It's a pity that the PA didn't give Daniel Barenboim a deserved warm and generous welcome. The grievances on both sides are now so many and so bitter that one sees no light at the end of this tunnel. - Sean McBride
Pity had nothing to do with it. It's sheer lunacy mixed with inferiority complex in search of imaginary moral compensation. Let's call a spade a spade. - ianf ⌘
ianf -- the parties to this conflict are trapped in an infinite loop of tit-for-tat. Most of us would like to steer clear of that particular mess and of ethnic and religious wars in general. There is a better way to live. Members of all ethnic and religious groups are studying, working and socializing side-by-side at universities like Stanford, MIT and Caltech. It's the American Way. - Sean McBride
Really? Was that PA's tit, or its tat? (I get lost so easily). So what should be the Israeli(?), or merely the Barenboimist falange's "proportional response" to that, the one that'd find favor with the Middle-Eastern commentariat? - ianf ⌘
ianf -- read Benny Morris's first book, and you'll appreciate the historical context: book(Benny Morris; The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949; 1989; Cambridge University Press; http://www.amazon.com/dp...) Situations like this can be remembered for centuries, or even longer. - Sean McBride
Sean, re emigration exceeding immigration - that has been true probably since the State was established. However, more and more yordim (emigrants) are returning to Israel, and as I said above, more and more new immigrants are arriving. Emigration may still exceed immigration, but there is a growing feeling among world Jewry that they are not welcome in their countries (I wonder why). As... more... - Miriam
Sean, if you want to be taken seriously, and dazzle us now and then with –not only your obvious scholarship– but also more mundane abilities such as correctly editing Amazon's urls down to their universal minimalist form (which hasn't escaped my attention), then you should consider answering direct on-topical questions directly, rather than veering off onto tangential issues. Especially... more... - ianf ⌘
ianf -- Israelis have many places to go, and are often going there: the United States and Europe are favorite destinations. Every argument that has been proposed to counter the (alleged) CIA scenario was used to "prove" that there was no conceivable way that white South Africa could collapse. (I am used to seeing outrageous and obviously impossible predictions come true -- I've made a few myself. There is a black art to this kind of thing.) - Sean McBride
ianf, you're my hero!! But what I don't understand is how you can continue this conversation with Sean. It feels like 'cow chewing cud' - Myrna
Ianf, these are the words that lifted you to 'my hero' status, not far from where it was already! "Sean, if you want to be taken seriously, and dazzle us now and then with –not only your obvious scholarship.." Sean, you should LISTEN to Ianf, not just reply back in gobblie-gook. - Myrna
Miriam -- Israel is now in sharp conflict with the entire world (and especially the Western democratic world) over several issues: the West strongly opposes Israeli settlements in the occupied territories; strongly opposes a military attack on Iran; strongly opposes Israel's racist foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman; and strongly supports the creation of a viable Palestinian state.... more... - Sean McBride
A basic rule of social behavior: if you are bogged down in angry confrontations about your ethnic issues with ethnic outsiders, you have already lost. There is no conceivable way that you can win. This is a fundamental feature of human nature that is so obvious that it is difficult to understand how anyone could miss it. - Sean McBride
Sean, you are so in your head/intellectualizing every second. Do you ever pause? I can't put my finger on it exactly but your words just don't make sense to me. Maybe Ianf can help on this one. It's like you're talking in 'bible semantics' where one has to translate and read between the lines to understand what Sean is really saying or feeling. What is YOUR point in all this. How do you feel about what you're saying? - Myrna
Tell you something, Sean… you're so Full-o-Solutions™ and Clear-o-Thinking® in Middle-Eastern matters, that it'd be a pity not to to listen to what you have to say. Maybe, just maybe, you are the Messiah, or at least some other Promethean Messenger personified who, if given half a chance, will make the Arabs, and the Israelis, sit down in proscribed Sean-approved manner, and chew on... more... - ianf ⌘
LOOOOOOOOOOOL! Now I can go meditate and smile, Ianf - Myrna
ianf -- I don't have any solutions to Israel's problems in the Mideast. I think this situation is going to end as a catastrophe, in the precisely the same way that I think that the newspaper industry has no future. This stuff is not difficult to figure out. Any student of history knows that ethnic nationalism ran out of steam and legitimacy midway through the 20th century. Which ethnic nationalist movements around the world do you support besides your own? - Sean McBride
Myrna -- no offense, but I haven't seen you post anything resembling a rational thought in this thread or any other on Friendfeed. I am curious: do you side with the American government or the Israeli government on the matter of settlements, Avigdor Lieberman, a Palestinian state, a war against Iran, etc.? In what sense are you actually a progressive? You are highly emotional about defending one of the most right-wing regimes on the planet. Why? - Sean McBride
[Cont'd] Of course, there's always the possibility that you're a false Messiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) who's not even aware of being either that or, perhaps, a true one after all… "you meet all kinds in this line of work" [Mark Knopfler]. That would make your starting point for building a lasting peace in the Middle East harder, but not by much, considering the immensity of the project. - ianf ⌘
Sean, who says I'm defending anyone or anything? My gripe is the way you present your thoughts and feelings. It's effect is pushing me away. And about presenting a rational thought, maybe I'm not rational or maybe you just haven't followed my thinking or feeling. I have no 'blanket' black or white decisions or 'sidings'. Every single situation presents a different and new dimension of a... more... - Myrna
Myrna -- please: it's obvious that criticism of Israel pushes your emotional buttons. If those kinds of posts upset you, and if you are unable to express your disagreement with them in a rational way, you should simply stop reading them. These posts of yours in this thread are embarrassing. - Sean McBride
ianf -- you still haven't addressed the main point: how is ethnic nationalism, particularly ethnic nationalism based on religion, anything but an irritant in human affairs, and especially in the modern Western democratic context? Why do you think it is that so many Americans and Europeans have grown weary with Mideast tribal wars based on primitive myths and superstitions? Most... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, I will address that [highly interesting btw] point when you respond straight the few simple questions you chose to bypass above; do we have a deal? - ianf ⌘
ianf, Miriam, Myrna and Igor: currently I am getting my news about Mideast politics from this bundle of feeds: http://friendfeed.com/mideast... What are your sources? Mideast politics is like every other topic under the sun, including cutting-edge tech topics and research fronts: the better your sources of information, the more likely you are to make accurate predictions. If you... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, you have indicated at least 10 different so-so-solutions for the Middle East, all of them stemming from an Israel-is-the-villain position. Indeed, there's no end to Israeli, if not Jewish, transgressions upon their peace-loving, ethnic-nationalism-pure fellow Palestinians [yes, Sean, there was a time still in human memory, time of the Ottoman Empire and then British Palestine... more... - ianf ⌘
You don't have to tell me Sean where you get your news "about Mideast politics" from, I already know that: Google searches and <http://friendfeed.com/mideast...>. That's some scholarship shining through right there. - ianf ⌘
ianf -- where do you get your news about Mideast politics from? What feeds do you follow? - Sean McBride
following this thread and McBride is much more in depth than that - sofarsoShawn
ianf -- "Israel-is-the-villain position" -- that's the paranoid and self-absorbed ethnocentric lens through which to view this controversy. I think ethnic nationalism and religious fundamentalism collectively and in general are the villain. Anyone who plays that game will inevitably get stuck in the same self-destructive patterns, over and over again. Why do you think it is that America... more... - Sean McBride
"Myrna -- please: it's obvious that criticism of Israel pushes your emotional buttons. If those kinds of posts upset you, and if you are unable to express your disagreement with them in a rational way, you should simply stop reading them. These posts of yours in this thread are embarrassing" Gee Shawn, it wasn't my intention to cause a defensive comment from you. Who are my posts embarrassing to and if its you please feel free to delete. Good luck to you! - Myrna
Myrna -- I think your intention has been to try to disrupt this thread with nonsense -- one sees this kind of behavior all the time in discussions about Mideast politics -- it's standard operating procedure. Many important issues have been raised in this thread -- you haven't addressed any of them. - Sean McBride
Myrna, you're much too kind, I can write this stuff with (still unpainted) toes of me left foot. You should have watched me some other times (and you will) when I was called names because my opponents could not respond coherently to rational arguments [once exposed, they tend to leave FF]. Sean uses some of the same tactics, but he's also driven by the fixed idea of the Middle East... more... - ianf ⌘
Some issues in play in this thread: American interests, American trans-ethnic values, American universalist values, apartheid white South Africa, Avigdor Lieberman, Christian Armageddonists, Christian Zionists, Confederacy, ethnic discrimination, ethnic nationalism, ethno-religious nationalism, European interests, false messianic movements, Iran War, Iranian oil, Iraq War, Israeli... more... - Sean McBride
Very worthy list, Sean. You forgot copycat Lego bricks (a huge problem worldwide); cow-originating CO2 and methane emissions, and a couple more. Throw them all into the mix, and what do you get? Why, another Nakba! - ianf ⌘
ianf -- some people have a talent for playing around with the Lego bricks and coming up with provably correct and reality-based conclusions and predictions on a fairly consistent basis. They can read the tea leaves, see the most strategic patterns in the noise. That's the black art of political, social and cultural forecasting. - Sean McBride
The first step in the black art: set aside all your biases, emotional attachments and earnest agendas, and look at the data with cold eyes. When the data goes against you, don't flinch. Eat the pain. Readjust your beliefs and plans. Or not -- and end up like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, white South Africa, Iraq War enthusiasts, the newspaper industry, the American automotive industry, etc. - Sean McBride
@SB: one of the common elements i see running through prescient geo-politcal analysis is that the successful commentators 1) have an excellent knowledge of history; 2) have the ability to find links and similarities between seemingly disparate events/topics; 3) are able to get beyond the parochial aspects of a topic and expose the underlying assumptions and biases in typical 'framing'... more... - MikeAmundsen
Mike -- beautifully said. Successful prognosticators are able to absorb huge amounts of data from diverse sources, see all the subtle and unusual links among the data in creative ways, but still grasp the big picture and how all the vectors are interacting and are likely to interact in the future, while setting aside their own desires, wishes and biases. Unsuccessful prognosticators are... more... - Sean McBride
Mike -- I've mentioned Kevin Phillips' "American Theocracy" several times lately, which I recently listened to in audiobook format in my car. Phillips is a perfect example of a political analyst who is able to make successful prognostications on the basis of an objective analysis of reams of data, both contemporary and historical. [book(Kevin Phillips; American Theocracy: The Peril and... more... - Sean McBride
As Myrna said, after a while it gets tiring. May I therefore direct those of you who still care to this new summarizing item: http://ff.im/5mnZf - ianf ⌘
ianf -- that's an innovative use of Friendfeed to post research sources -- I like it. As for the topic becoming tiresome: that is precisely my point. Most Americans and Europeans would love to drop it (including most American and European Jews, I suspect). One possible scenario/solution on the horizon: an amicable divorce between the U.S./Europe and Israel. Those with an appetite for an endless loop of holy land mayhem will always be free to move there and to enjoy the apocalyptic festivities. - Sean McBride
@Sean I'm sorry, but comparing the current Israeli / Palestinian situation to the fall of South African apartheid, much less the rise of Nazi Germany is bizarrely absurd, even for you. The context is so far from similar that I find it rather shocking you'd even try to make the connection - all the more so given your continual attempts to point out everyone else's framing distortions,... more... - Forrest Cox
Forrest Cox -- browse through the above comments: the comparisons to apartheid white South Africa are coming from a former Israeli prime minister, a former American president and from many leading and influential political thinkers around the world. Google it -- you will be deluged. From my standpoint, you are in denial. How many non-Jews are welcome in Israeli settlements in the... more... - Sean McBride
Forrest: the discussion on Israeli/South African connections around the world is immense: http://www.google.com/#q=~isr... Try to do an objective analysis of the subject. - Sean McBride
@Sean - your quote re: the former Israeli PM is taken out of context, former American Presidents have proven about as astute in predicting the future as has the crazy Christian bible salesman yelling to the high heavens about the apocalypse down on the corner of Market and 8th, and "leading" and "influential" thinkers have been responsible for over and over again for calamity after... more... - Forrest Cox
@SB: yep, KPhillips has done some very interesting work. personally, i find his books a 'tough slog,' but that's for me to deal with<g>. i readily admit there are lots of things about Phillips' views i don't care for, but i have learned a great deal from him. his "Wealth and Democracy" was quite a read! - MikeAmundsen
@Sean - re: the links, thanks so much for proving my point about you. Put no thought at all into the inherent biases held by the authors you refer to (might they be apt to compare Israel to one of the most bigoted and oppressive regimes of the late-20th century, despite the obvious mechanistic differences between the two, because they, you know, HATE Israel?). Claim that their thinking,... more... - Forrest Cox
Me think Sean is just a Troll. LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Forrest Cox -- Ehud Olmert hates Israel? The only pro-Israel supporters I am aware of who use that kind of inciting language with regard to Israeli prime ministers are extremists on the far right. One of them assassinated Yitzhak Rabin. - Sean McBride
I file these Forrest Cox comments under "attacks on Americans and Europeans by pro-Israel activists and militants." This is the trendline to watch if you want to understand the future of Israel and its increasing self-ghettoization, especially in relation to the Western democratic world. I've stopped taking the attacks personally -- many American, European and Israeli political leaders have endured much worse from the Israeli right. - Sean McBride
Forrest Cox: check out this Haaretz report: article(Gideon Levy; Twilight Zone / 'Worse than apartheid'; Haaretz; July 7, 2008 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen...) Human rights activists with direct experience of apartheid white South Africa characterized conditions in Israel as being WORSE than in South Africa: "I thought they would feel right at home in the alleys of... more... - Sean McBride
More from Haaretz: "Equally harsh are the remarks of the editor-in-chief of the Sunday Times of South Africa, Mondli Makhanya, 38. "When you observe from afar you know that things are bad, but you do not know how bad. Nothing can prepare you for the evil we have seen here. In a certain sense, it is worse, worse, worse than everything we endured. The level of the apartheid, the racism... more... - Sean McBride
This is the Mideast political news that I am flagging on a daily basis as important: https://friendfeed.com/search... (These flexible Friendfeed URLs are cool.) - Sean McBride
Forrest: more from Haaretz: "Under apartheid, whites and blacks met in certain places. The Israelis and the Palestinians do not meet any longer at all. The separation is total. It seems to me that the Israelis would like the Palestinians to disappear. There was never anything like that in our case. The whites did not want the blacks to disappear. I saw the settlers in Silwan [in East Jerusalem] - people who want to expel other people from their place." - Sean McBride
Sean, go live in Israel. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Sean, your obsession with Israel is puzzling to me, as is the obsession of others like you who have the whole world's humanitarian transgressions to get up-in-arms about but choose to focus obsessively on Israel (how about China, Sudan, Iran, Egypt, etc.?). Why do Sudanese refugees risk their lives to get over the border from Egypt into Israel (many of whom have been shot and killed by... more... - Miriam
Miriam -- are you coming from an Orthodox Jewish perspective on Zionist and Israeli issues? Which authors and sources have most influenced your thinking on the subject? Which political party in Israel do you favor? Do you support Jewish settlements in the occupied territories? Do you support any ethnic nationalist movements other than your own? And can you provide some examples of Jews... more... - Sean McBride
Miriam: and: can you think of any good reasons for why the American government pays very close attention to Mideast politics, and to Israeli politics in particular? Why are the American media so "obsessed" with the topic? - Sean McBride
Sean, it's not only the US gov. that's obsessed with Israel. It's the world. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for this. There are so many other places with way worse human rights records that the world basically ignores, while obsessing over Israel. If you have an answer I'd love to hear it. - Miriam
Miriam -- there is a simple answer to your question: 1. American taxpayers provide Israel with huge amounts of aid, and the United States is held responsible, often in ways that are destructive for Americans, for all of Israel's policies and actions. 2. The Israeli government has been pursuing a policy of territorial expansion that could easily trigger World War III/IV and reduce the entire world to chaos and ruin. - Sean McBride
I see my comment has been deleted from this thread. that is pathetic. the CIA has statistics that you don't have and the recent demographic analysis are that the demographic ratios are equal growth despite what you are attempting to promote. this goes in contradiction of your argument. if anything Obama has given Israel sympathy because his blatant equivalence of fault and abuse is so... more... - NoahDavidSimon
"Now (to change the metaphor), the truth has finally got its pants on, and Israel’s Foreign Ministry has released an exhaustive 164-page report which argues that Israel had a right to do what it did under international law, that what it did was not callous, disproportionate or criminal, and — of course — that much of what it was accused of it didn’t do .Those who need to, like Judge... more... - NoahDavidSimon
Does CriticalAnalyst = Noah David Simon? Noah -- you're missing the big picture, especially the big social/historical picture: messianic ethno-religious nationalist movements of all kinds (like apartheid white South Africa, for instance) are innately self-marginalizing, unstable and unviable in the modern democratic world. Militant ethnocentrism polarizes the entire world against... more... - Sean McBride
no prejudices in Israel. we just don't like hiding behind trees - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- how does your comment address the point that messianic ethno-religious nationalist movements of all kinds are self-destructively out of step with modern Western democratic norms and values? How many Friendfeeders do you see bogged down in ethnocentric politics? - Sean McBride
Great conversation (although having blocked Igor, Noah, et als. long ago, it feels a little fragmented, likely for the better).. Miriam, I agree that some people have it out for Israel. But just because some are obsessed doesn't mean they're wrong. I also share Sean's assessment that Israel's actions are often counterproductive to the US’ long-term interests in the region and the world. Yet it seems to me that historically, here in the states, Israel can do no wrong. That needs to change. - Anthony Citrano
Anthony -- pro-Israel activists are responsible for placing Israel at the center of American politics -- they can't stop talking about Israel and Israel's problems, conflicts and enemies. Compare the frequency with which Israel has been mentioned in The New York Times in recent decades with, say, France, Ireland or Japan. At the moment, Israel is the only nation in the world... more... - Sean McBride
messianic thought is modern western thought. it is in no way out of step with goal oriented thinking. believing in an eventuality of a different set of rules is a positive thing in that it allows people to work towards a better world without thinking that they have to be violent till a radical change in physics occurs. the same can not be said of Islam. as for the NYTimes they are wrong... more... - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- you're not logically tracking this argument: the issue is messianic *ethno-religious nationalism*. Modern Western democracies do not organize themselves around messianic ethnocentrism or religiosity. The core principle of Americanism is equality of ethnic groups and religions, with an emphasis on individual character, talent and achievement, not on ethnicity or religious affiliation. Modern Western democracies prize individualism and meritocracy. - Sean McBride
Look around you, Noah: how many Friendfeeders are bogged down in ethnic politics, and in ugly confrontations about their ethnic issues? Most Americans discarded this style of politics a long time ago for reasons of enlightened social behavior and simple self-interest. - Sean McBride
you are just full of labels. everyone has a goal and if they don't they are in trouble. you are trying to find a way to other something, but the thing you fear is "Western" thought in itself. Judaism is the root of it all. there were some "theories" that were developed by pagans, but they were never applicable till they were adapted into monotheistic structures. those theories that did... more... - NoahDavidSimon
Thank G-d we have our prophecies to guide us and G-d's protection to keep Israel strong while the rest of the world falls apart. Get America and the U.K. out of Israel so we can stand strong without any fear of our enemies and be the light unto the nations that we were chosen to be. - David C. Cooper
one facet of Judaic thought is condescended by another. we have no problem with this. we are both a race and a philosophy. every rule leveraged by another wise idea. sound familiar? it is what America is made of. even the essence of our heredity is condescended by the very royal family that is the legend that you hate so much. yes the lineage of the messiah. Soloman's children were not... more... - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- all ethno-religious nationalist movements justify their anti-democratic (and often racist) beliefs and behavior with cult mythologies and mysticism. But modern Western democracies are no longer interested in playing that game. The United States, for instance, does not define itself as an Anglo-Christian state or Germany as an Germanic-Christian state (in the ethnic and religious... more... - Sean McBride
you just assumed I claimed ethnicity when I said the opposite. since your peanut gallery is blocking me they are going to assume you repeated what I said. this is unethical. tautological and your audience does not even see my words they only see your accusation which just ignored everything I just said and made an accusation that was the exact opposite. conversation is over. the other... more... - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- are you claiming that Zionism isn't an ethnic nationalist movement? No serious historian (including no serious Jewish historian) will agree with you -- Zionism is a classical ethnic nationalist movement. And Zionism is not remotely synonymous with Judaism -- most of the founders of Zionism and Israel were secular humanists, atheists, agnostics or Marxists. As for your repeated... more... - Sean McBride
From an excellent Wikipedia entry on ethnic nationalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... "Ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism wherein the "nation" is defined in terms of ethnicity. Whatever specific ethnicity is involved, ethnic nationalism always includes some element of descent from previous generations. Furthermore, the central theme of ethnic nationalists is... more... - Sean McBride
Ethnic nationalism vs. civic nationalism (from Wikipedia): "In scholarly literature, ethnic nationalism is usually contrasted with civic nationalism. Ethnic nationalism bases membership of the nation on descent or heredity—often articulated in terms of common blood or kinship—rather than on political membership. Hence, nation-states with strong traditions of ethnic nationalism tend to... more... - Sean McBride
More from Wikipedia: "Ethnic nationalism has sustained criticism because of its use by extremists to advocate racist agendas and genocide, such as the case of Nazi Germany and its extermination of millions of Jews and other ethnic and cultural groups during the Holocaust. More recent acts of violence that used ethnic nationalism as a justification include ethnic cleansing such as the... more... - Sean McBride
Let me try to start unraveling some of Noah's statements: NOAH: "one facet of Judaic thought is condescended by another. we have no problem with this. we are both a race and a philosophy. every rule leveraged by another wise idea. sound familiar? it is what America is made of. even the essence of our heredity is condescended by the very royal family that is the legend that you hate so... more... - Sean McBride
he probably means contradicted - John Hardy
Sean McBride doesn't engage you in dialog. a Jewish and yes Zionist philosophy (same thing) can not be ethnically based if others can join it. example is that my son is not a Jew by the government of Israel. he can choose to become one if he wants when he is ready. @IgorTheTroll2 is a #Mossad operative. Watch out @Hamas - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- do Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Asians, Arabs, etc. enjoy equal status, rights, privileges, wealth and power with Jews in Israel? If America defined itself as a Christian state which offered special treatment and privileges for Christians and which discriminated against non-Christians, it wouldn't be a modern Western democracy. Imagine if the United States were now building Anglo-Christian settlements in Canada or Mexico by force and against the will of Canadians and Mexicans. - Sean McBride
Noah -- regarding your repeated invocations of Mossad in a threatening way: how many Friendfeeders, and how many Americans, make violent threats against their ethnic or religious enemies on a regular basis? Messianic ethno-religious nationalism (and much of the tradition of Abrahamic fundamentalism in general) is closely associated with extreme aggression, violence and terrorism. Modern... more... - Sean McBride
Mossad is a keyword that jew haters use online. we co opted it for search reasons. Igor believes you search the word regularly. I'm the one who has to hide behind a tree in the name of your toleration (as Islam states). it is not ethnic related to fear a philosophy that says it wants to kill you - NoahDavidSimon
Noah, what are you afraid of? If you live in fear, you are better to be dead! If we die in the battle for Israel, then we die because we have not loved Israel enough. Israel, is Life it is what God gave tus so we do not forget Adonay. Live your life and do not fear, for when it is time, God will be near. Baruch Hashem, Amein - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Kahanists have been using the term "Mossad" to issue threats against Americans and Europeans, not a smart move in a climate in which concerns about Mideast terrorism are at an all-time high and in which the life of the current American president, Barack Obama, is being threatened on a daily basis. Kahanist groups are officially designated as terrorist groups by the American government,... more... - Sean McBride
Noah: notice to whom David Cooper directs his hostility: it's not Hamas; it's America and the UK: "Thank G-d we have our prophecies to guide us and G-d's protection to keep Israel strong while the rest of the world falls apart. Get America and the U.K. out of Israel so we can stand strong without any fear of our enemies and be the light unto the nations that we were chosen to be." By... more... - Sean McBride
Apropos the CIA forecast, just published today: "Livni: Israelis desperate to leave country" http://www.ynetnews.com/article... "Opposition chairman says hundreds of thousands of Israelis searching or ways to move abroad in light of grim political situation in country, government's lack of vision" ... ""I see the despair of many Israelis. Hundreds of thousands see... more... - Sean McBride
Sean McBride labeling people as Kahanists is libel and defamation! If you have proof, then show it. If you do not, do not harass people and organization.by hiding behind Web anonymity and terrorizing people! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Which organization are you referring to? - Sean McBride
Igor just turned down five opportunities to explain which organization was unfairly accused of being a Kahanist group. Instead, he tried to change the subject by talking about the IRA (Irish nationalism is a non-existent topic on Friendfeed and on the Internet in general). The question is still on the table for Igor (or Noah, ianf or David Cooper): which organization was unfairly accused of being a Kahanist group? - Sean McBride
Sean, see you on Wikipedia! Try not to give yourself too many Anti-Semitic awards! ADL will come looking for you! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- you just issued another threat, among dozens of such documented threats, and you still didn't mention which organization you think was unfairly accused of Kahanism. To which organization were you referring? - Sean McBride
Threats? What threats? I am just a Troll surfing on friendfeed! You the one libeling and and accusing people and organizations! I hope ADL looking into your web activities. I am sure American government does not fancy them either! And if you have a question about anyone, talk to them. Why you asking me? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor -- which organization was libeled? You still haven't mentioned it. I didn't mention any organization. To which organization are you referring? Your repeated invocations of Mossad certainly qualify as threats in the eyes of most objective observers -- whom do you think you are kidding? - Sean McBride
Traits, features and policies often associated with Kahanism: anti-Arab bigotry, anti-black bigotry, anti-Christian bigotry, anti-European bigotry, anti-Muslim bigotry, assassinations, bombings, charges of anti-Semitism, deportation ("transfer") of Palestinians, Greater Israel, group violence, illegal spying and espionage, malicious hacking, personal attacks, pro-Israel militancy,... more... - Sean McBride
Wow & whoa! - Roney Smith
Here is the Wikipedia entry on Kahanism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Sean McBride
Right Sean McBride, Thanks for reverting my Gilad Shalit Tweet4Shalit edit on Wikipedia. You are such a Human Rights activist for Islamic Terrorist organization Hamas! You must be very proud of yourself! Stick some more Keywords into your semantic search! You going to delete this also Sean Hoyland? Go complain to a Wikipedia admin! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Saw who this was from and had to laugh. Why don't you throw in a Sept. 11 conspiracy too! - Spencer
Why not Armageddon as well? The Jews want to blow up the WORLD! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor: I know nothing about your Wikipedia entry on Gilad Shalit, have never heard of Sean Hoyland, detest Muslim fundamentalism (and all forms of religious fundamentalism) and find many of your and Noah's posts to be incoherent and incomprehensible. You still haven't mentioned which organization you think was falsely accused as Kahanist: which is it? - Sean McBride
Spencer -- didn't you buy into all the bogus conspiracy theories foisted by neoconservatives on naive Bush/Cheney supporters (for instance, the claim that Saddam was behind 9/11 and that al-Qaeda was behind the 9/11 anthrax attacks)? Or was that a different Spencer? - Sean McBride
Note on how I moderate comments on my posts: substantive comments are welcome from everyone, and especially from those with views that oppose my own. Non-substantive or abusive comments I will often delete, because they derail substantive discussion. The name of the game here is to improve mutual understanding of issues. - Sean McBride
Sean, WTF why did you bring MY name into this? - David C. Cooper
Oh, I see it now. So, Sean you agree with American financial support of Muslim terrorist organizations Fatah and Hamas? - David C. Cooper
David Cooper -- I strongly oppose American financial or political support for religious fundamentalist groups of all kinds, including Muslim fundamentalist groups. Your assumption is wrong. You give the impression in one of your comments above that you view the United States and Britain as your enemies and as the enemies of Israel. Care to clarify? Here is your statement: "Thank G-d we... more... - Sean McBride
Certainly, I think the financial support of Israel and her enemies by other countries has been the biggest source of instability for that region. The entire middle east would find it's own stability if other nations would stop sending money to Israel and her enemies. BTW, what happened to my original post? I can't find it. - David C. Cooper
Incidentally, if you don't think Israel should be a Jewish state, why is it okay for 22 nations in that same region to only allow Muslim citizens? All of those countries are much larger than Israel yet you don't seem to worry or care that they discriminate against non-Muslims not only as citizens but even as visitors. - David C. Cooper
Furthermore, why is it okay for those 22 nations to sponsor the pseudo nation of "palestine" as a proxy in their fight against the return of the relatively tiny Israelite homeland to Her people? - David C. Cooper
David -- to find your original post open http://friendfeed.com/mideast... and then do a full text search on the page for "G-d" -- it's still there. - Sean McBride
David -- few people object to Israel being a Jewish state (I don't), but they expect Israel to be a Jewish state in the same way that France is a French state -- as a state of all its citizens, from all ethnic and religious backgrounds, as a modern Western democratic state. If Israel seeks to become a Jewish state in a narrow ethnic and religious sense, it will suffer the same fate as... more... - Sean McBride
David -- actually, the idea of the United States and Europe disengaging completely from both sides in the Israeli/Arab-Muslim conflict has a certain appeal. - Sean McBride
David -- does one deduce correctly from your original statement the following? 1. Religion and politics are seamlessly enwoven for you. 2. God is on the side of Israel vs. the nations and the rest of the world (including the United States and UK). 3. Israelis are the chosen people and a light unto the nations. 4. Israel is in great shape, thanks to God, but the rest of the world is falling apart. 5. You have many ethnic and religious enemies. - Sean McBride
Sean, so where is the outcry against the narrow ethnic and religious governments of the 22 Muslim nations that surround and make war against the Israelite nation and the western non-Muslim world? If western democratic society is such a champion of freedom and liberty why would they focus on Israel, where people of all ethnicities and religions are welcome while they ignore the rest of the middle east where only Muslims are allowed to tread? - David C. Cooper
David -- Israel is asking Americans and Europeans to make enormous sacrifices for Israelis on the supposed moral grounds that Israel is a modern Western democratic state and a member in good standing in the Western democratic community. If in fact Israel morphs into a Jewish version of apartheid white South Africa, it is going to be impossible to justify that support. Israel will go its... more... - Sean McBride
1. For the children of Israel G-d gave us the form of government under which we are to thrive, any other form is a poor substitute. 2. G-d is on the side of his entire creation which is why he gave his Torah to the children of Israel. The fact that only the children of Israel were willing and able to accept his word at Mount Sinai does not change His love for the people of all nations.... more... - David C. Cooper
What "sacrifices" does Israel ask of any other nation? It seems the other nations are asking Israel to make all of the sacrifices. Why should Jews not be allowed to build on their own land? Why should Israel be told that they must allow their enemies to settle in Israel but not allow a Jew to build a tree house? Realpolitik does not justify the hypocrisy. - David C. Cooper
the state with the most money in U.S. aid since 1993 is Palestine. that argument of Israel getting the most funding is false. Egypt gets similar numbers to Israel. further the funding of Israel if compared to the numbers involved in US military expenses would be around a penny to a dollar. the US military gets more back with support to Israel then from their own military. the moment... more... - NoahDavidSimon
ahem... and when labor said something similar in the 90s when Netanyahu's government had their first run, the statistics of the Jewish population ratio to Muslims improved. not to mention that Bibi was a lot more conservative then. I'm not very worried about Livni's opinions. Livni wanted badly to be a proxy to Jewish ethnic cleansing. ghetto Jew mentality. JudenRatts are all over the place... right Myrna? - NoahDavidSimon
David -- I respect your right to hold your religious beliefs, but others are under no obligation to share those beliefs. They may even find them to be irritating and unpalatable, in the same way you no doubt find many Christian and Muslim beliefs to be irritating and unpalatable (have you accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior yet? :)). To make matters worse, you are bundling... more... - Sean McBride
Noah -- the abusive and demonizing language that you and many others are using against Livni -- "Jewish ethnic cleansing, ghetto Jew mentality, JudenRatts" -- is one of several reasons why many political analysts think that Israel's political future is problematic. You can't construct a viable and stable civil society on this kind of fanaticism. And it is disturbing and scary to see... more... - Sean McBride
Most Friendfeed users, and most Americans, are not aggressive, abrasive, abusive and demanding about their ethnic and religious interests. If they were, American society would be reduced to violent chaos, to a state of permanent civil war and internecine savagery -- much like parts of the Mideast. - Sean McBride
Sean, if that's true then why is Israel, where all people of all religions and ethnicities are welcomed to worship in the Holy Land, demonized while all of the neighboring muslim apartheid states are either ignored or excused for their "ethno-religious" nationalism? - David C. Cooper
Sean, your claim that "most" Americans are not aggressive, abrasive, abusive and demanding is laughable! All over the world Americans are accused of exactly that kind of behavior especially when it comes to their ethnic and religious interests. There is a special interest group active in American politics for every religious and ethnic concern imaginable. - David C. Cooper
I have to agree though, that the continued existence of Israel defies all logic. Thank G-d, considering the number of enemies that surround her it is a miracle that she survives to this day. - David C. Cooper
David -- an example: how many op-ed articles have been published by Irish nationalists in The New York Times or The Washington Post during the last decade? How many by Jewish nationalists and pro-Israel activists? This is countable in a precise way with standard content analysis, but I am guessing that the ratio must be at least 100 to 1 in terms of Jewish vs. Irish nationalists. What... more... - Sean McBride
What scares me is how far anti-Semites have come in the last 100 years. They're smart enough now to realize out and out hatred and bigotry will shut them down quickly, so they've shifted over to "discussions" in the guise of rational discourse. When in fact the message remains the same: Jews = bad. - Noah Belson
Sean, what does the ratio of Israel based op-ed pieces in the NYTimes compared to Ireland based op-ed pieces have to do with this discussion? Are you surprised that there is more discussion about the Holy Land than there is about Ireland? Can't you answer my first question? - David C. Cooper
Noah Belson -- the entire world (and the American government especially) strongly opposes Israeli settlements, Israeli agitation to start a war with Iran, and the presence of a flagrant racist, Avigdor Lieberman, at the highest levels of the Israeli government. Are you basically accusing the entire world of being antisemitic because of its opposition to Likud policies and religious... more... - Sean McBride
David -- the fact that pro-Israel activists and militants are highly conspicous in contemporary American culture, and are pushing a narrow ethno-religious nationalist agenda in ways that are often extremely abusive towards their fellow Americans (see, for instance, Pamela Geller's posts on Barack Obama), couldn't be more relevant to this discussion: Israel and the Israel lobby are... more... - Sean McBride
Noah David Simon just called Robert Scoble a "rat" -- comment deleted. - Sean McBride
David: the issue is not whether all ethnicities and religions are permitted to worship in "the Holy Land" (what a misnomer). The issue is whether all ethnicities and religions in Israel are treated with equality in their ability to acquire wealth, power and influence in Israel, and whether their religions enjoy equal status under a civic state (not an ethnic nationalist state with strong theocratic trappings). - Sean McBride
Instead of addressing the point that every nation in the world (including the American government) opposes the current Israeli government and Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, Noah Belson invoked the Nazi smear, with no substantive content. (Comment deleted. Try again.) - Sean McBride
Sean, if you can speak for the entire world, I think I can make logical conclusions based on your previous comments. This isn't about Israel, this is about angry, hateful people seeing their moment and trying to use Israel to push the door open a little bit wider. This sort of thing brings bigots out of their hidey holes and gives them just a little more courage, which for my money is a very dangerous thing. - Noah Belson
Noah -- name a single government in the world which supports Jewish settlements in the occupied territories. The American government and all European governments strongly oppose those settlements, and Israel is in fact on a collision course with the entire world. Are you accusing everyone who opposes the settlements (including a majority of American Jews) of being antisemites? Are you... more... - Sean McBride
Reminder: the comments in my feed should be civil, polite, well-informed, sensible and fact-based. Comments with vague personal attacks and verbal abuse will be deleted. Stay on point and be substantive. Others are free to edit their feeds any way that suits them. As usual, I am always intensely interested in strong opposing arguments that are well-grounded in reality. - Sean McBride
Sean, you said: "The issue is whether all ethnicities and religions in Israel are treated with equality in their ability to acquire wealth, power and influence in Israel" Then, why is this not the issue regarding the enemies of the West who surround Israel? The double standard is hypocritical. - David C. Cooper
David -- why should the West go out of its way to get involved in self-destructive and trillion-dollar wars in defense of political ideologies and systems that are in direct contradiction to its most hallowed values? Did the West lift a finger to defend white South Africa? Why do you think it is that both the Bush and Obama administrations have strongly opposed a military attack on... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, I've already suggested that the west should divest itself from financially supporting either side in this argument. I don't agree that Israel is a contradiction to western values. On the contrary, western values are a direct result of the values of the children of Israel. - David C. Cooper
David: core modern Western democratic values: separation of church and state; equal treatment of and status for all ethnicities and religious groups. Ethnic nationalist and theocratic states are radically incompatible with those values, and are out of step with the modern world. That is why the West abandoned white South Africa and let it sink like a stone. (This is why I also strongly... more... - Sean McBride
David -- I agree with you that Jewish values have played an enormously important role in creating the modern Western democratic world. But the Jewish tradition has evolved markedly over millennia -- it is not static. Most Jews are not biblical literalists, and many brilliant Jews have been in the vanguard in creating the modern world and its best institutions. (The ability of Jewish civilization and the Jewish tradition to evolve, adapt and remake itself is probably its greatest strength.) - Sean McBride
That last part must keep you up at night, huh Sean. Incidentally, you better delete my comments and block me now- something tells me you're not gonna like me. :) - Noah Belson
Noah Belson -- I may like you if you manage to say something fresh and original about the dozens of ideas and facts that appear in the preceding comments in this thread, and show a Jewish ability to wrestle with difficult issues based on an inquiring open mind and a scholarly attention to details. So far I haven't seen much of that. If I want a goyishe kop, I'll torture myself with Rush... more... - Sean McBride
"UN rights chief slams Israel over Gaza violations" http://www.reuters.com/article... "Pillay said rights violations included arbitrary detention, torture and ill-treatment, extrajudicial execution, forced eviction and home demolition, settlement expansion and related violence and restrictions on freedom of movement and expression. "While these violations are of... more... - Sean McBride
White South Africa took an arrogant, dismissive and defiant attitude towards critiques of its behavior from the international community, and the rest, as they say, is history. They lost. As a rule, it is not in one's self-interest to get on the wrong side of the overwhelming mass of world opinion. Not smart. - Sean McBride
More from the Pillay report: "Pillay's recommendations included the following: -- Allegations of violations of humanitarian law and human rights during the Gaza war should be investigated by independent bodies, and victims should have the right to reparations. -- Israel should tackle impunity for violations, and curb its use of the military justice system, which does not meet... more... - Sean McBride
Noah Belson just departed in an inky cloud of emotional personal attacks (comment deleted), while failing to address a single substantive issue in this thread. Which raises an important point: if pro-Israel activists are unable to defend their views in a rational way in public forums around the world, what future does Israel have? The CIA report may be sage and prophetic indeed.... more... - Sean McBride
Two more abusive and content-free comments deleted, one by Noah Belson and one by Igor. They can't get on point or address substance. If they manage to make rational policy points that are free of personal attacks or verbal abuse, I'll let the comments stand and answer them. But their track record isn't promising. (This isn't a free speech issue, by the way. They are free to say... more... - Sean McBride
So this is indeed a free speech issue, then. Free speech isn't only about being free regarding the substance of your speech: who makes the call about what is form and what is substance? By making that call, you necessarily act as a censor, you see? Still, there's nothing wrong with admitting you will limit one's free speech to a certain form or mode of expression. - Rubin Sfadj
Rubin -- every time we choose a publication to read, we are making selections based on the editorial judgment and reputation of the publisher. Feeds are basically publications. The New York Times is not Fox News and Fox News is not the New York Times. They exercise their right of free speech to control their respective information streams. I have noticed through the years that personal... more... - Sean McBride
This thread is still wide open to anyone who wants to make civil and sensible comments in opposition to the speculation that Israel is on a self-destructive path that closely resembles that of apartheid white South Africa. There are many items in the thread that still haven't been addressed or rebutted. This is a big and complex subject - Sean McBride
"On Agha and Malley" (Stephen M. Walt) http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts... "The most significant lines in the entire essay were the last two, where they write "the heart of the matter is not necessarily how to define a state of Palestine. It is, in a sense it always has been, how to define the state of Israel." Again, they didn't explain what they meant by... more... - Sean McBride
Walt continued: "Or will Israel continue to pursue the dream of Greater Israel, increasingly fueled by ethno-religious claims and the growing political power of religious extremists? If so, then it will become an apartheid state and will eventually face a Palestinian struggle for democratic rights. Again: what sort of state will it become? Needless to say, these different visions will... more... - Sean McBride
Geoffrey Wheatcroft: "If there is a ‘tragedy of Zionism’ it is surely this. Without wanting to or even realising what was happening, the Jewish state has found itself on the wrong side of a much greater divide than the mere dispute between Jew and Arab. The reason for the global obsession with the Holy Land is that it has become a crucible, an epitome, a distilled version of a ‘clash of... more... - Sean McBride
http://mediaanalysiscritical.b... here are photographs of Jews in 1948 Judea that were thrown out of their homes when they had been there for millenniums. Are these the "occupiers" you speak of? the same "occupiers" of Germany just a few years before. the people kicking them out of Judea were aligned with those performing Christal... more... - NoahDavidSimon
McBride - do you not know the meaning of "Apartheid"? - JIDF
Noah -- are you arguing, then, that Israel should continue to build Jewish settlements in the occupied territories over the adamant opposition of every government in the world, including the American government? And should those settlements be for Jews only, not for members of all ethnic and religious backgrounds, including Christians, Muslims, Arabs, Buddhists, Chinese, etc? How do you see this narrative unfolding? - Sean McBride
OMG you must break the all time record for the longest running, in time span, for your threads JULY 15!!!!!!, >> *whispers* (maybe use disable comments?) - sofarsoShawn
Noah: regarding messianism: let me be clear that my critique of messianism is directed at all of its manifestations, in all cultures from all ethnic groups and religions, and including its secular expressions (Marxism, for instance, was a messianic movement.) Messianism, because it is based on onanistic fantasies, self-hypnosis, cultism and emotional hysteria, almost always leads to... more... - Sean McBride
McBride - Are you aware that the Fatah Constitution and Hamas Charter call for the complete destruction of Israel? That said, Israel SHOULD continue to expand, so as to deter their enemies' determination to destroy them. - JIDF
sofarsoShawn -- some topics generate a great deal of conversation because they have major strategic implications, even world historical implications -- this is one of those topics. The death of the newspaper industry and the American auto industry are others. The health care debate is another. I leave the comments open because I am curious to see if any new interesting ideas emerge. (By... more... - Sean McBride
JIDF -- most Americans, and all modern secular democracies, have placed their chips on a core idea: all ethnic and religious groups can live together in productive harmony, with equal rights and opportunities. If you want to go down the messianic ethno-religious nationalist path, be my guest -- but you will have to live with the consequences. A large majority of Jews would probably... more... - Sean McBride
JIDF: regarding apartheid: article(Gideon Levy; Twilight Zone / 'Worse than apartheid'; Haaretz; July 7, 2008 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen...) Human rights activists with direct experience of apartheid white South Africa characterized conditions in Israel as being WORSE than in South Africa: "I thought they would feel right at home in the alleys of Balata refugee camp,... more... - Sean McBride
Your first response to me makes no sense. Your second source relies upon an extreme leftist source, looking to push a political agenda. Try Myths vs. FACTS: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource... - JIDF
sofarsoShawn got me thinking: rank issues by strategic importance (by their impact on the world at large, on world history and on human civilization). Are there objective and scientific ways to achieve these rankings? Algorithms? Software tools? In any case, the world historical forces swirling around the vortex of Israel and the Mideast in general are immense. That region could be the graveyard of the human race. - Sean McBride
JIDF -- can you answer the specific charges in the Haaretz article in a specific way? They are coming from South African leaders who were the victims of apartheid -- they know the subject of apartheid up close and personal, much more intimately than we do. They are claiming that conditions in Israel are worse than in apartheid white South Africa. - Sean McBride
JIDF -- my first response to you makes a great deal of sense -- it is written in clear English prose. I pointed out to you that modern Western democracies prize ethnic and religious equality and cooperation, and that a large majority of Jews share those values. Messianic ethno-religious nationalist states are in radical conflict with the contemporary world. - Sean McBride
People already did, in the talkback section of the article. You're citing an anti-Israel activist intent on smearing the Jewish state. Lots of people do that. Your first response made no sense within the context of my comment, as I wasn't talking about any of that. Apparently you like to read your own words. That said, what's your point in all this? Are you looking forward to the... more... - JIDF
JIDF -- one point at a time: how do you rebut, in your own words and in a specific way, the charges made by South Africans, other than calling them "leftists"? Leftists opposed the apartheid white South African regime, they predicted its collapse, and they were right. The flow of world history is not on the side of ethnic nationalists and racists. Ehud Olmert, the former Israeli prime... more... - Sean McBride
Until you answer MY questions, I won't bother answering your tangents. - JIDF
Are you or are you not for the destruction of Israel? - JIDF
JIDF -- you don't seem to understand Friendfeed culture -- you play by the rules of the owner of the thread, which, in this case, is yours truly. But I will humor you for one instance: obviously I do not support the destruction of Israel. But I do support the reform of Israeli politics that will bring it into full alignment with modern Western democratic values and spare it the... more... - Sean McBride
Now your turn: do you support full equality for all ethnic and religious groups in Israel, both in law and in practice, and the separation of synagogue and state? And aren't "Jewish settlements" *by definition* a discriminatory enterprise when subsidized and endorsed by the state? Does the American government subsidize and endorse Anglo-Christian settlements? - Sean McBride
you claim that Israel is not "in full alignment' with Western democratic values. Please explain why. And I think it's vain of you to suggest that your POV is shared by every govt. on the planet. Just b/c you're reading some book on Messianic ideology, it does not mean everyone who disagrees with you is drawn into it. Israel is the Jewish State and I support it as such. I do not support... more... - JIDF
JIDF -- I answered your question directly and fully. Now you answer mine: do you support full equality for all ethnic and religious groups in Israel, both in law and in fact? That criterion is the core definition for modern Western democracies -- they are trans-ethnic, trans-religious and universalist in outlook, values and practice. - Sean McBride
JIDF: I just quickly scanned your recent Friendfeed feed and immediately noticed this: "JIDF: certainly there's a Jewess out there w/ an appreciation of both radiohead & rav kahane for whom i could dedicate the beatles' "for you blue"" Are you a supporter of Meir Kahane? Kahanist groups are officially designated as terrorist groups by the American government. Also: "Jewess"? Questionable choice of words, at best. - Sean McBride
JIDF -- your thoughts, like those of Igor and Noah David Simon, are a great confused jumble -- and that is consistent with messianic psychology and the messianic mindset, which is much more focused on concocting elaborate rationalizations than in conducting honest intellectual investigations. With regard to the point of view of nations all around the world towards Israeli settlements: I... more... - Sean McBride
You bore me with your "messianic" allegations and your tone is condescending. Moving along.. - JIDF
JIDF -- you want to end the discussion already? I thought we were just beginning. What elements of Meir Kahane's thinking have inspired your enthusiasm? Kahane helped trigger the Baruch Goldstein massacre and Yigal Amir's assassination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin. The Israeli government itself considers Kahanism and Kahanists to be verboten -- beyond the pale -- as does the American government. - Sean McBride
Kahane noticed Jews were being attacked in the streets of NYC and created the JDL to do something about it. I notice that Jews (and Israel) are being attacked online, and I did something about it. - JIDF
@sean it's amazing how a debate can suddenly implode and have the participents retract from conversation the moment a person no longer has anything to hide behind. Personally, I don't get how attacks by opposing forces are seen as unwarrented hate while state sponsored subjigation, abuse and theft of said population is perfectly fine. Is there not a critical thought at play asking a... more... - alphaxion
If you view Hamas/Fatah as "freedom fighters" your moral compass is off. - JIDF
This is, without a doubt, bullshit. First of all, in terms of your comparison to Apartheid, I'd direct you to here: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource... | Second, this sort of thing is based on a disconnect for the actual players involved. If you ever spent time in any Jewish community in America, there is huge support for Israel within them. Not everyone may agree with all the actions of Israel, but the support for Israel's existence within the US is huge. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
Oh, and I do support full equality for all ethnic and religious groups in Israel, both in law and in fact, providing they can pledge an oath of allegiance to the State of Israel. If they do anything to undermine the security of Israel, or if show any support for its destruction whatsoever, all bets are off. - JIDF
If you have ever been to Israel, you'd see that the people there, whatever you may think of their politics, ideals, religion, whatever, are perhaps the most determined people on the planet. The Israelis have put their lives on the line /every day/ to make a place for themselves in Israel. They haven't stopped before now and they won't stop in the future. Even if you don't like Israel, if you went there, and saw for yourself, you'd realize that no one there will simply give up. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
I took Sean up on his advice to use this great thing called "Google" (who knew?) and it's very interesting to see where this "news" (ie. propaganda) comes from and who is pushing it: http://www.google.com/search... - JIDF
@jidf did you not read what I said, let me quote it "Just remember, because of the actions of the IDF, the likes of Hamas are seen as freedom fighters to those who can no longer see that BOTH the israeli state AND the palestinian forces are fundamental cocks that don't care how many people suffer in their ceaseless bickering." I did not say this was my view, as you can pretty much get... more... - alphaxion
@alphaxion - you blame the IDF for Islamic terrorism. What is wrong with you? - JIDF
@aram support for its existence and reaction to its policies and actions are two different things. You can still support the right for israel to exist whilst criticising the actions of its government. The kinda comment you made sounds like the drivel you get from those who think to speak out against your government is to wish for it to be destroyed. No, many of us just want them to stop murdering and stealing land and resources from the palestinians. - alphaxion
JIDF -- questions about the viability of Israel have been prominently raised by two Israeli political leaders, Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni, and recently by a major American Jewish author, Rich Cohen. The whole world is wondering how any nation which resembles apartheid white South Africa can survive in the midst of overwhelming global opposition to its core beliefs and policies. - Sean McBride
@alphaxion that was a complete misread of what I said. I didn't say that I want to kill people or quash other opinions. I just said that, as a whole, on average, Israelis are a very determined people and they are not, as a whole, going to leave. The fact that you misread totalitarianism into the word determination scares the shit out of me. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
@jidf I blame BOTH for the endless cycle of hate and suffering. IDF bulldozes a settlement. Palestinians are killed and many are twisted by grief and suffering. Palestinians lash out and kill a number of Israelis. Those same Israelis are then twisted by their grief, IDF lashes back. Ad nausium. And by the way, I know people that live in Israel. The stories I hear from them (and this... more... - alphaxion
Fair warning to JIDF and NDS: if you want to post here, stay on substantive points and be civil. - Sean McBride
@aram.. sorry, I didn't notice the bit at the end that said "Not everyone may agree with all the actions of Israel, but the support for Israel's existence within the US is huge." which is also the point I said in my comment to you. Sorry if what I said there came off wrong. - alphaxion
@alphaxion It happens, thanks. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
JIDF -- are you aware that the JDL and all Kahanist groups are officially designated as terrorist groups by the American government? Are you familiar with the histories of Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel? And even the Israeli government classified Kahane as a racist. When you say you admire Meir Kahane, and create a group which is clearly modeled on the JDL, you are placing yourself at a particular location on the political spectrum. - Sean McBride
JIDF -- do you endorse vigilantism, malicious hacking, harassment, bombings, terrorism, etc.? Why do you think it is that the American government has zero tolerance for Kahanist groups and methods? Why would any American in his or right mind link her or her political activities to Meir Kahane, given the associations to officially designated terrorist groups? - Sean McBride
may I also point out that I would like the Palestinian forces to stop murdering, beating and abducting Israelis. But I'm not nieve to think that it will happen under duress. Both sides need to stop attacking each other - the empty ceasefires offered up by the Israeli government are simply not ceasefires. If they really want peace they'll go for a real ceasefire and do a proper deal such... more... - alphaxion
Still haven't seen an answer to this question: are Jewish settlements for Jews only or for members of all ethnic and religious groups? Nor have we seen acknowledgment from JDIF and NDS that every government in the world strongly opposes Jewish settlements in the occupied terrorities. - Sean McBride
@Sean While I don't support the JDL and its violent actions, the organization does extend beyond killing people. Remember, at one point the US gov't said much the same things about the Black Panthers. Beyond that, while I don't support violent actions, when a group faces people who call for its extermination and have to fear lynchings from groups like the American Nazis, the formation... more... - Aram Zucker-Scharff
I see many parallels between this and the troubles in Northern Ireland - two groups of people with a history of violence against each other. Even if the UK had gone against the wishes of the Northern Irish people and given the land back, there would still be fighting. Which is why the whole situation makes me feel sorry for the innocents trapped inbetween, just trying to live their lives. - alphaxion
Aram -- how much understanding did the American government offer to Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel? And how sensitive is the matter of Mideast terrorism currently when the American president is being besieged with terrorist threats on a daily basis, and considering that Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a Kahanist? - Sean McBride
@Sean, I didn't say I approved, I said I can understand how such a group can come about. You can't consider things in a vacuum. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
On the matter of Kahanism, anything but the strongest possible condemnation is entirely unacceptable. There is a clear track record here, and a climate of current threats. - Sean McBride
alphaxion -- two major differences between the Irish and Israeli situations: 1. the Irish situation is not likely to cause a global financial meltdown or worse (like the use of WMDs). 2. One rarely sees Irish Americans introducing Irish nationalism into mainstream American politics in a contentious way. Irish Americans on the whole keep a low profile on foreign ethnic nationalist issues -- there is no Irish AIPAC. - Sean McBride
I wasn't talking about Kahanism, just the formation of the JDL and the reasoning behind it. (By the way The National Consortium for the Study of Terror and Responses to Terrorism says "the JDL does not currently engage in terrorist actions.") Once again, I'm just saying that there is a reason behind its formation. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
Aram -- all terrorist groups are motivated by a rationale, right? The rationale they've constructed for themselves doesn't excuse them. - Sean McBride
All ethnic and religious terrorist groups are motivated by the same rationale -- the violent and criminal pursuit of their self-interest and often crackpot messianic fantasies. - Sean McBride
I am off to the beach to enjoy a spectacular summer afternoon, and will reenable comments when I return. - Sean McBride
While enjoying the afternoon at one of the most beautiful beaches in America in perfect weather, I was struck by the pure joy of witnessing a multitude of ethnic and religious groups mingling and sharing the same blissful space in peace and happiness, without a hint of conflict, and it struck me that this was a resonant image of the ideals of modern secular democracies. One finds the... more... - Sean McBride
Looking at an article published in an Iranian media outlet in no way constitutes support for the media outlet or for Iran -- on the contrary, I have been a harsh critic of Iran and Iranian theocracy. If you consult my Mideast News group https://friendfeed.com/mideast..., you will notice that most of my sources are Israeli and Jewish, including many right-wing Israeli and Jewish... more... - Sean McBride
Doing some browsing on the issue of apartheid, and this stuck me as a piece of high-quality and nuanced analysis: article(Leila Farsakh; Israel: an apartheid state?; Le Monde diplomatique; November 2003; http://mondediplo.com/2003...). Quote: "Despite their initial differences, apartheid South Africa and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have become similar since 1993. Will... more... - Sean McBride
NDS -- rewrite your last post without all the angry and overheated invective, add clean paragraph breaks, post it to your blog with a pointer here, and I'll read it carefully and respond. As a rule my mind automatically filters out writing full of fuming and self-righteous aggression. You should have noticed by now that all the even-tempered comments here stand undeleted, regardless of their point of view. - Sean McBride
you never elaborate your issues. analysis requires specifics. you aren't even specific about your accusation of "fuming and self-righteous aggression" - NoahDavidSimon
Noah -- if you review this thread, you will see that I have discussed dozens of specifics, most of which you flew right by without response. The more emotional the topic (and this is perhaps the most emotional topic in the world), the greater the need to lower the emotional volume to near zero to have a useful discussion. See David Cooper's comments for examples of how to make clear,... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, according to the CIA's 18th and 19th century predessors, theoretically Israel shouldn't exist at all. Just goes to show an intelligence agency assessment can be wrong. - George Hall (Australia)
George Hall -- what are your thoughts on the future of ethnic nationalist and ethno-religious nationalist states in general? I would no more bet on them than I would bet on Communist states, the newspaper industry or cars manufactured by General Motors. (Are you an Australian, by the way?) What I *would* bet on are catastrophic developments in the Mideast, a region which seems to be firmly under the control of Abrahamic apocalyptic memes among all parties concerned. - Sean McBride
Browsing around, I just noticed that Israpundit, a right-wing pro-Israel site, posted the CIA report story on March 15, 2009 http://www.israpundit.com/2008.... It was widely reposted all over the Internet. (Presumably, Israpundit is not an Iranian propaganda outlet. :)) Many people, and some Israelis in particular, are curious to know what the report on the report is all about and... more... - Sean McBride
I just browsed the latest comments here -- apparently all from JIDF members (Igor's "Mossad" and Kahanist associates), and realized that any opportunity for a rational discussion and debate in this thread has evaporated. I asked George Hall a direct question about the future of ethnic and ethno-religious nationalism, and was treated to a biblical disquistion from a true believer -- not... more... - Sean McBride
Kol Tregaskes
If you *had* to use Google Reader instead of FriendFeed what would you change about Google Reader? And what are the pros and cons of GReader as it stands now?
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For sure, Google Reader has likes and comments, you can share (reshare) whatever you see in your feeds to your followers and there are groups (well can you view by group though?) but there are no DMs and I'm finding the Comment View very chaotic and annoying, for example, I have to expand the post every time (would prefer at least a bigger preview of the post). What the comments system needs, for me, is AJ's very cool commenting highlighting that is on Cleaner FriendFeed. That helps my FF experience hugely. There is no duplicate detector either and lifestreaming is perhaps not the best. What do you think? #alternativetoFF - Kol Tregaskes
I'd agree with all of those; they also need to clean up the management of your friends / contacts / groups / etc. The way that stuff interacts with GMail Contacts is still rather chaotic and confusing. - Tristan Seligmann
S.D. built in Gtalk support would be useful or simply made easy to 'DM' followerrs but perhaps this should be toggleable for each user. - Kol Tregaskes
A cleaner social interface, so I can manage my contacts, etc. as Tristan said. - phil baumann
The People You Follow view doesn't have to be the exact same as the Subscriptions view. If that interface could be tweaked to be a bit more socially-conducive, that may help. - phil baumann
I would like to see my friend's friends. - Damond Nollan
Agreed. Comment view is a mess. If they could get that cleaned up it would be a nice replacement. gTalk integration would be very cool. I have been adding more and more people to my Google Contacts thanks to Google Voice so it makes a lot of sense to have that contact list be my primary list for friends. That makes GR a particularly interesting FF replacement to me. - Sean Brady
better comments and grouping of friends...need a lot of work - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, what is the issue with groups? I don't use but curious. - Damond Nollan
I do agree the comments could be better. I notice that in some cases, they are above the story and in others they are below. I wonder if Google is playing with comments now. - Damond Nollan
Google's in bed with the CIA collecting your personal data to eventually use against you. - sofarsoShawn
Some are saying Google Reader is almost a Twitter client even - http://www.educer.org/2009... - phil baumann
sofarsoShawn :) - phil baumann
I think that post is farrrrrrrr behind the ball with feedly already doing as much, however I see Greader becoming much more like friendfeed with its new social capabilities - sofarsoShawn
Agree, it's definitely looking more like FF. - phil baumann
@damond there are nonexistent :-) [friends grouping I mean] - Dobromir Hadzhiev
GReader needs a My discussions that only focuses on articles I've Starred, Shared, Liked or Emailed. If someone shares an article I've already read, I don't not want it to resurface. I still say Filtering is needed as well. I may want to auto-hide certain keywords. In Peoples Shared items, I may want to filter a certain RSS feed that they like but has nothing to do with me. Basically they need a way to cut some of the noise down. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Dobromir You can group friends in the contact manager, and decide which groups can comment on yr shared items (odd functionality that I don't see a use for). But yr right, no way right now to group the list of "People you follow" - Chuck Falzone
Import feeds to shared items (e.g. my own twitter feed, my own delicious bookmarks, etc.); add GReader shared item feeds as "people you follow" instead of regular subscription; overhaul public shared items page - allow folks to comment on items from right there, provide a blurb and a link instead of entire shared item; a tool to find contacts from FF/FB/Twitter who are sharing and... more... - Chuck Falzone
I may have missed it above but there is duplicate detection, you will see when multiple friends share the same feed item. I agree with the others on the Comment UI (hard to read, can't tell what you've already read, not sure it's scalable with separate threads on the same item, etc), and Contact management. - Tinfoil 2.0
I agree with Kol on GReader. Their is potential there, however after having the FF experience it falls far short of what I've grown to expect and want when sharing and commenting on things. - Bluesun 2600
Damond, you need to use groups if you want your followers to comment on your shares. If there are not in any group they cannot comment. - Kol Tregaskes
LE,, does the dup detector work in the RSS feeds? And from one folder to another? - Kol Tregaskes
I notice the dupe detection mainly when I'm viewing All Items, or the aggregate People You Follow. - Tinfoil 2.0
I think that greader needs groups like here at FF. Some way for articles to share comments with those not being followed by yourself already. Making discovery easier, and discussions more dynamic. - Bluesun 2600
Groups are there but you cannot view by group yeah. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
Can you filter on GReader like we can with FF's saved searches? - Kol Tregaskes
How about a vanity search on GReader comments? - Kol Tregaskes
I'm reasonably optimistic... the speed of recent changes indicates to me that the @googlereader team recognizes the opportunity created by FriendFeed's uncertain future and is geared up to make improvements. I don't think it would be a FF on its own, but integrated better with some other Google services it could become quite powerful. - Tinfoil 2.0
Are there any timestamps on comments? - Kol Tregaskes
I really wish I didn't need to expand the article in Comments View to show the share/like line. Pointless. - Kol Tregaskes
One thing I like about the Comment view is that, unlike FriendFeed, is shows more comments before and after the expand link. I wish FF would show at least 2 comments at the bottom of threads. 3 ideally. - Kol Tregaskes
Yes GReader needs a "My Discussions" page. And real-time Comments view. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, you should do a radio show or something and explain all of this... ;-) - Jannifer @wordsforliving
I rather just blog about it. ;-) Maybe that'll be my first post here: http://ff.im/6DiAr - Kol Tregaskes
I would make it work like Friendfeed - Jeff (Team マクダジ ) from iPhone
Google Reader is dreadfully slow for mr because I have 1,000+ friends. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
1. As all you guys said, the comment system is too bad: hard to read, hard to update, limited to only your friends. 2.The contents you read are based on random shared items by people you follow rather than on a theme (like ff groups do). This would make me overloaded by irrelevant information. 3. google reader is way far from real-time, e. g. for a subscription of a twitter RSS feed, the lag is significantly noticeable and timestamps in greader are wrong. - yezi from fftogo
needs a better visual interface. as it currently is, its too 'busy' - George Hall (Australia) from BuddyFeed
They are two totally different things. I don't see how one could replace the other - Chris Johnston
open, open, open.. currently you have to be in reader to access comments, likes. etc you ONLY get your friends comments, comments don't appear in your shared feed, there is no API, and you can't embed your content (posts, groups or user summary) back on your blog/site to get a single source for comments etc.. oh yeah and the search sucks (compared to friendfeed), you can't search comments. They seem more like a quick "hack-on" instead of an integrated solution!! - Chris Myles
We need permalinks for our notes, comments and shared items. That's about it :) - Svartling
See this image that explains how to use Google Reader as friendfeed: http://pingmicro.com/this-im... - Svartling
svartling.. sorry but I have to strongly disagree!! Yes it *looks* like they have the same functionality.. but it's the subtle differences and lack of flexibility/api that kill it for me!! Maybe if you combined reader with GFC (or Wave) and search you might start. For example.. I'm on a site and I want to see if there is already any activity (comments etc) that I can join in on.. with... more... - Chris Myles
Yes I miss the embed features too. They are really cool. The other things you are talking about I had never used. - Svartling
Not only are they cool, they are VERY powerful!! I protyped a more flexible Google Friend Connect (GFC) clone in a half a day using post embeds (via the API) and groups. - Chris Myles
Sounds interesting. - Svartling
Sabine
Neya
In the mood for... 99/365 -- August 15 2009 - Neya
is it you? - Hamid Reza
yup:) 1st pic is today's self portrait for the 365-project. Now going 99/365. - Neya
thats gerat, i follow you for another 364 pics - Hamid Reza
@Hamid @Michelle Thank you! - Neya
Brilliant and inspired collection. Was this a burst of sudden impulse I wonder? These should definitely go into some form of gallery collection. Yours, a fan! - Kevin J Hatton
@Esther Thank you sweety! Your words inspire me always! There is one more that you can't see here in FF, go and check it out ;) @Kevin, I have been thinking about doing this pretty long, but today all the pieces were together, especially the emotions and was able to take them. I have been thinking about the gallery too.. we'll see.. maybe then when the project is over and if I can find any with decent price/location. - Neya
WOW Nia, just WOW <3 Beautiful beautiful pictures. - Penny
@Penny Thank you Princess <3! - Neya
You really are a knockout. Nice shots! - Absentee
Thanks James :) - Neya
Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Just got back from watching Ponyo. Such a sweet, beautiful little movie. Miyazaki is such a genius. - http://timetravelisawesome.com/2009...
Just got back from watching Ponyo. Such a sweet, beautiful little movie. Miyazaki is such a genius.
This was lovely to watch. So dreamlike, as usual with Miyazaki. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill) from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
This Bridge Is Alive - Living Root Bridges - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5338154...
This Bridge Is Alive - Living Root Bridges - Gizmodo
"In Cherrapunji, India, one of the wettest places on Earth, the locals mold the roots of the Ficus elastica tree into stretching across rivers and taking root on the other side, forming amazing natural, living bridges." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Tinfoil 2.0
o_O I was searching for something else and got this - http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstor... WTF?
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"Alien", large format (edit: for my FF background image) - Tinfoil 2.0
Alien milk perhaps? - Mladen Srdić
food fetish meets animal house? waaa? man that makes my brain hurt - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
WTF, is there a webcam hidden here or something? - Sparky, lurking
That's disturbing on several levels. - Robert Kenney
Yes it is. - Tinfoil 2.0
who knew aliens had pubes. >.> - David C. Cooper
nope... I got nothing. - vijay
The fat guy is ruining it for me. - NOT THE CRICKET
You must have been doing it wrong! - Jeff P. Henderson
ha ha ha this is a classic - Josh Haley
this is also sent to "Milk Lovers" group. Is any of them alive in there after seeing this? - vijay
somebody, save that alien!! - Gtp19
What the hack is that? - Amit Morson
I want to be the first to say this- this one's gonna give the tit-licking trio on the beach a good run for the money. - vijay
+1 vijay. - Zach Flauaus
what the what? - holly #ravingfangirl
I'd rather be on the beach. - Akiva
WTF! That is one creepy ass picture! - BRҰANSAҰS
I can't remember the name of this artist... But was his/her work was a big meme circa 2003. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed
the link I posted must have the cloak of invisibility on it. - Josh Haley
lol! I'd rather be on the beach too than in a bathroom with these freaks :D - vijay
and by explaining that this was staged Mark probably killed it. :D EDIT: Josh was first with the link! +10 internetz! - vijay
Sorry, Josh. I was trying to remember the guy's name when I noticed you posted that link. Anyway, some more of this series on his website: http://www.charliewhite.info/sub... - Rob H.
Reminds me of that crazy 80's Scifi fantasy movie Ice Pirates http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Movies... - BRҰANSAҰS
Quick, I need instructions on how to unsee this. Also, WTF? Staged or no, WTF? - Jandy from iPhone
MY EYES! MY EYES!! lol. seriously...what is that? - dafire
I found this one http://ff.im/6AxVz wasn't searching on milk though - Remo
Highly Confidential** - Images from Area 52, Room 211. Subject - Culture Shock, Experiment 2B - Effects on the alien's psyche and physiological impact, under prolonged stimulation of its brain cells. - Gtp19
it's so disturbing. - Erfun
This is the exact anti-thesis of the Asian men on a beach image - Aaman (Clone of FF)
This happened after they went home - Aaman (Clone of FF)
++ Bryan for the Ice Pirates reference! - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed
wow!cool - zeaz
I cant unsee that can i.. - Simon Wicks
What is that all about??? - Jayne Sherwood
This is actually a pretty well known photographer behind this and other images. I want to say that he was a special efx creature makers for movies in Hollywood, and then went into photography? I'll have to go back through my notes and find out. He was under the section on simulated reality. - Derrick
no. - Melissa
forget. forget. forget. - diego morelli
Found it. The photographer's name is Charlie White. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... And we're apparently both alums of the prestigious Art Center College of Design in Pasadena. Don't hate. There are more pics on his site: http://www.charliewhite.info/ I actually kind of like his work... - Derrick
What the? - Kevin J Hatton
This reminds me, my birthday is coming up. - Steve C Team Marina
whats that??!! geez.. - Vimala Vita
Another image for my WTF folder! - April Russo
I almost poured my morning coffee on me instead of drinking it. This image has reached the deepest depths of what is left of my brain. : ( - vijay
i dont know if this ones worse than Akiva's. I dont know which im more scared of seeing pop up on my feed - Simon Wicks
Akiva's is better, atleast you can a good view at the beach =P - vijay
I know. - vijay
Okay that is disturbing on so many levels - Chris Johnston
Derrick
Logical Extremes posted that "Milk Alien" pic and it freaked people out, but nevertheless, I like this guys work and posted some more examples of his stuff. You can find out more about him at his site: http://www.charliewhite.info/ - Derrick
I don't like it, D. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is the stuff of my nightmares. - Melissa
Mel, I don't like it aesthetically, it freaks me out for sure, but I'm finding that I can appreciate art that doesn't just please my senses. And from what I've read up on White, it freaks him out too. - Derrick
i like it for opening up my mind to whats not expected, naw, i love it for that, thanks for sharing - chaz2b
Charlie White kicks ass. Check out this video he made a few years ago for adidas: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Rafael Robayna
I hear you, sugar. I think its good to expose ourselves to stuff that scares us. Its a good way to shake things up and understand a lot of things we have yet to conquer and develop in ourselves. You need to teach me how to appreciate stuff I normally will not look at :) - Melissa
Mel, I once read that Stephen King wrote about what terrified him the most. I think White's kinda the same, just in a visual sense. I'm totally getting my fine art nerd on, huh? ;) - Derrick
Totes. That's hot. </parishilton> Get your fine art nerd on, hon. We'll do Museum Saturday soon :) - Melissa
Wait, that's Flemming Hovse! Ha, he's at Tech - http://www.caltech.edu/credits... - τorƍue
Coolio Jackson, Mel. Torque, White went to grad school in Pasadena and it would be no surprise that he used Cal Tech as a location. - Derrick
Thomas Hawk
vijay
taking a break watching Hayate. This anime is totally crazy... a talking tiger(heroine's pet) humping the cross-dressing hero (who is a butler at heroine's mansion) censored by a weird dude with a sign saying "can't show" until the hero has had enough and breaks the fourth wall asking the funny narrator who was describing the scene to "shut up"...
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craaaaaaaaaazy... but entertaining. - vijay
Yup, it's a fun one. =) - rönin
aaargh! I meant to DM directeur too! I knew I was forgetting something when posting this! T-T - vijay
last but one pic with what looks like a girl with blue hair is actually the hero when cross-dressing (happens only once not always). - vijay
holy cow ronin! that was fast! you have a radar when it comes to anime! - vijay
You may also want to note that the hero doesn't cross-dress by his own volition. ;-) - rönin
that's true Lindsey. - vijay
my comments are slow to come in 'cause I'm watching this in the dark and I can't type without looking at the keyboard. :D Laptop monitor light is insufficient. - vijay
Well it's kinda hard to miss a bunch of big shots of Sanzenin running down the page. ;-p - rönin
true that! lol! - vijay
Hey! Arigato ne, rokudenashi :) The first pic has more than what it takes to make it WTFull! :P - directeur
directeur, you can find the anime as either "Hayate no Gotoku" or "Hayate, The Combat Butler" - vijay
Aaman (Clone of FF)
Big Pictures
Niranjan
Sefa Karapinar
Brad Williamson
"We absolutely wouldn't shut (FriendFeed) down." - Quote from FriendFeed management member on zdnet.com blog - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL...
"We absolutely wouldn't shut (FriendFeed) down." - Quote from FriendFeed management member on zdnet.com blog
"As for the FriendFeed service, the word is that there will be no immediate changes - and the company went so far as to tell CNET that “we absolutely wouldn’t shut (FriendFeed) down”" - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet
Join us in the "Media News and Analysis" group as we examine the world's main source of information and entertainment, The Media ;-) http://friendfeed.com/media-n... - Brad Williamson
I don't know what to think anymore. So confused... - Brad Williamson
Yah. Good point, Mark. - Brad Williamson
Even if they don't shut it down, it'll still suck that no new members will ever join. The site and it's community will just slowly disintegrate. - Brad Williamson
Yeah, it's pretty damn maddening. - Brad Williamson
There are things worse than shutting down :( - andrei_c
Niranjan
Live4Emma (L4S)
Devon GTX sets one-lap "record" at Laguna Seca - http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
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"It's been speculated that the GTX is powered by Viper, meaning there's an 8.4-liter V10 beating under its presumably carbon fiber skin. Word overheard on the street is that the serpent heart has been reworked to spit out 650 horsepower, 50 more venomous ponies than stock. And that's all anyone knows. Maybe. What we do know is that Southern California-based industrial design haus Devon Motorworks is claiming that its new car – the "next American Supercar" – just set a "production car" one-lap record around the fabled Lagauna Seca race track. Time? 1:35.075." - Live4Emma (L4S)
want! - imabonehead
Yeah.... drooling at that speed could be dangerous, Dave... :-) - Live4Emma (L4S) from iPod
Shevonne
★ Soner Gönül
None of that is "waste" it's all being broken down and recycled thanks to good old fashioned capitalism. Now if these were cash 4 clunkers cars you could call it a terrible waste. ^^ - David C. Cooper
Really creative! - ★ Soner Gönül
Baris Ozcan
The Shimmer of Colors - http://vimeo.com/5918330
The Shimmer of Colors
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Taken with Canon 5D Mark 2 at Kanlica, Istanbul. Same day edit. 30p footage interpreted to 25p with Premiere Pro. Color graded with Magic Bullet Looks. Lenses: Canon EF 50mm f/1.4, Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS. - Baris Ozcan
Kanlıca yoğurduna ithaf olunur :) - Baris Ozcan
seçilen müzik daha bir güzel yapmış çalışmanı. (: ellerine sağlık. - Yusuf Ibili
Air'in "Lost in Translation" (2003) filmi için yaptığı bir bestenin içinden küçük bir parça... - Baris Ozcan
çok güzel olmuş...sizin daha önce video çalışmalarınız var mı bilmiyorum ama canon 5d seviyelerine ulaşan her fotoğrafçı video ve yönetmenliğe kayıyor sanırım :) ya da ben öyle olucam umarım :) - Olgaç DÖLEK
Bestenin adi Alone in Kyoto. Gercekten cok guzel bir video olmus tebrikler. Devletsah' dan boyle bir oyunculuk beklemezdim o da cok basarili :) - Can Kone
@Olgaç Canon 5D'nin fotoğrafçıları videoya yaklaştırdığı doğru bir tespit. Ama ben fotoğraf makinesinden önce ilkokulda bir el kamerasıyla belgesel denemeleri yaparak başlamıştım... - Baris Ozcan
@Can Devletşah oyunculuk yapmıyor. Aslına bakarsan bu videoları çekip, montajlayıp burada yayınladığımdan bile haberi yok :) Yeni oyuncağımla denemeler yaptığımı sandığı için rahat... - Baris Ozcan
Zaten habersiz bir cekim oldugu videonun her karesinden belli ;) - Can Kone
@Osman Premiere Pro. - Baris Ozcan
Osman, "video" yerine "motion pictures" koyarsan belki psikolojik olarak ısınırsın :) - Baris Ozcan
Müziği dikkate alarak, özenle montajlaman görüntülere duygu katmış, eline sağlık. - Selim Yoruk
Bana ithaf edecegine yogurda ithaf etmis ya daha ne diyeyim... - devletsah from iPhone
müzik süper çekimler desen harika yaaa benı başka diyarları göturdu elinize saglık - adrina
Bende video çekimine çok meraklıyım. Bir ara kısa metraj film denemeleri için karaköy - eminönü civarında çekimler yapmıştım. Senaryosu bile hazır ama olmadı işte. Kamerayıda sevememiştim. Dvd ye kayıt yapıyor falan. Bu makine nin çekimi çok hoşuma gitti. - Bora
Kol Tregaskes
A shot taken through a window upstairs one hazy morning. A slight crop and boost in the colour but that's all. - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
This is basically the view out front of our house. The fencing is for the basketball court, normally used to play football by the kids on the estate. - Kol Tregaskes
Nice. Add some brief editing in MemShop or Madden and Cap Bryant may remember facing Brady in his early sports stardom. Thanks. - Test Information Space
Semantics of football season, soccer or American, aside, spectacularly lit scenes make good memories. W.r.t. Purefold discussions, a utility to construct these would be relevant to BR-type plots involving replicants, including the early history of the next decade..Bryant's lack of empathy could lead to interesting contrasts. There is also a question of how to distinguish real memories, as well as what the rules of evidence become. Thanks. - Test Information Space
I'm still lost. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
"Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there." - Deckard - Test Information Space
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