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There were some bugs in the "Twitter publishing" code that caused some entries to get published on Twitter when they should not, and others to not get published when they should. I've cleaned up the code to eliminate these problems, but it's possible some settings were lost. Please verify your settings at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
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I apologize for any lost or unwanted tweets. Please let me know if you spot any other problems.
- Paul Buchheit
Cheers for this Paul. How cool is it that one of the founders of FF still gets his hands dirty in the code. Once a coder, always a coder :-)
- Keith Bennett
from Nambu
Thanks Keith :) By the way, if none of your posts are making it through to twitter, it may be that you changed your password. To verify, simply click "Save changes" at http://friendfeed.com/setting... and we will check that your Twitter credentials are still good (and sign-out then back in to fix).
- Paul Buchheit
Matthew, in general all the same settings that the old ui had are available on the new one (plus a few more), though they are now divided on to several different pages. You should be able to reach all of the the settings by clicking on the word "settings" below your name in the top-right part of the page (the dialog shows a few, and links to all the others).
- Paul Buchheit
You can filter by service by searching for service:twitter (or whatever service you like), and of course that can be combined with other search operators as well. See http://friendfeed.com/search... for more.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks Paul, sounds like you pulled an all nighter to fix these.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, unfortunately the code had gotten rather involved since it was trying to support both the old ui and the new (the old ui worked on a per-service basis instead of letting you decide individually on each entry), and the logic sometimes became inconsistent. I simplified it quite a bit, so there should be less room for bugs now :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks, Paul. :)
- Josh Haley
Nice try, Matthew, I congratulate you on being awake, and carpe-diem'ing Paul here, but have to disappoint you - if FF wanted us to have favicons, they'd already issued us our favicons. Do you see any favicons that made the transition from earlier version. No? You think Paul nuked them by mistake... be my guest, and I'll be looking forward to the next couple of years' worth of your pleading for favicons when you could be learning to live both here and thereater without them.
- ianf ⌘
I'm a bit confused about the "Post my FriendFeed entries on Twitter by default" and "FriendFeed (when there's no Cc box)" options. Are these exclusive? Does checking the first one mean all my FriendFeed posts will get posted to Twitter even if I uncheck the Cc box?
- Tony Ruscoe
Paul, thank you thank thank you for the "Check CC Twitter box by default" option!!! That's one step closer to only needing Friendfeed. I'm almost ready to dump Google Reader AND Twitter now!
- caj needs a haircut
Thanks Paul!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Tony, the "cc twitter by default" option sets whether then checkbox is checked or unchecked by default in the share box and bookmarklet. The other option ("when there's no cc box") applies mostly to the API and other off-site interfaces, such as email (mail share@friendfeed.com) and IM. For any given post, only one setting applies.
- Paul Buchheit
I publish to Twitter by default but now link directly to the source. I figure that those finding outside of FF want to go to the source (while those reading on FF are already seeing the discussion).
- Mike Reynolds
Hi Paul, about 15 mins ago I "shared" an item from FF here to "my feed" and "cc Twitter". But still not showing up on Twitter. Just thought I'd let you know.
- Brian
Thanks Brian. It turns out there was a bug in the "Share" feature that sometimes caused us to sometimes not send the tweets (the new code errors on the side of not sending tweets). It's fixed now though. Please let me know if you spot any others.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, that did the trick! Thanks for looking into that. BTW, that was a quick fix! Just shared an item on FF and it pushed thru to Twitter instantly.
- Brian
Hello Paul, when I try to publish just my google talk status to twitter and have "Link to source site instead of FriendFeed conversation" selected, it doesn't send the tweet. I'm not sure if this is because twitter seems to be having difficulty right now or if it's the lack of a source link because it's a google talk status?
- ehaab
ehaab, publishing to Twitter was broken this morning, so no updates went out. It should work fine now however, including publishing updates from Google Talk. Sorry about that.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks! it was driving me batty trying to figure out why it wasn't taking.
- ehaab
I think it's still broken. I just posted via the Bookmarklet and CC'd twitter... no go. EDIT: my latest one just posted, must be intermittent.
- Daniel Sims
Hi Paul, Mine is still not working. I have also checked the setting page.
- zahedzadeh
Improve FriendFeed for your friends by recommending subscriptions - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"As a devoted FriendFeed user, I have tried to convince all of my friends and family to join the site, but a handful of them never quite got their accounts set up properly. With our new Recommend friends feature, I can fix their FriendFeed experience by recommending subscriptions to them." Try it out at http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Nice! Friends, please send me recommendations :)
- joey
Excellent feature, gooood idea!
- Susan Beebe
Very cool =)
- FFing Enigma
Cool stuff.
- Mike Bracco
gr8
- حاج مهدی ©
Uh, it tells me that Scoble, among others, could use the recommendations. WTF? Perhaps I have too few subscriptions for this to work.
- Fred Yankowski
more good stuff
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Finally a better recommendation
- directeur
I'd still love an "e-mail this item" feature, similar to Google Reader.
- Jesse Stay
great idea!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Cool! Beats the heck out of #followfriday!!
- Larry Hawes
What am I supposed to get when I click the 'recommend friends' link on someone's pop-up? Currently, the popup just goes away and I don't get directed anywhere else.
- FFing Enigma
Fred: yah, unfortunately, you can only recommend people who you are subscribed you and who are also subscribed back to you.
- Bret Taylor
Mark, I didn't submit a bug report since what is supposed to happen wasn't actually spelled out on the blog post or here; this might be the intended functionality... I hope not, but it's possible.
- FFing Enigma
Tina: it is supposed to pop up a dialog. Sorry for the trouble - we will look into it.
- Bret Taylor
At first I did not understand this, but now that I am checking it out, it is brilliant and addresses much of what we have complained about. NOW what will we complain about?
- Liza + = ?
Just to confirm Bret, the first image in the blog post is what the pop up is supposed to look like, right? Because that's nothing like what the ff.com/recommend page looks like....
- FFing Enigma
I notice that new subscriptions are automatically added to one's home feed. I consider that kind of a bug.
- Meryn Stol
Tina: yes, that is correct. The http://friendfeed.com/friends... page is just a list of people that we think could use some friend recommendations since they have few subscriptions. If you click on any of the "Recommend" links on that page, you will see the same, standard "Recommend friends" dialog.
- Bret Taylor
User-driven...I like.
- Josh Haley
Where would we find recommendations that others suggest to us?
- Fred Yankowski
@Bret, who receive the recommandation see also who is the recommender?
- Roberto
Fred: You will receive an email as well as a notification on the top of your feed.
- Ross Miller
Roberto: yes, they see who recommended
- Bret Taylor
Bret, if I recommend friends to people who haven't signed in for a long time, will they get email? A lot of my bored friends are not active FF users I think. (quite logical)
- Meryn Stol
Not getting the pop-over when I click 'recommend' on the friendfeed.com/friends/recommend page either... FFox 3.0.12 if it's relevant.
- FFing Enigma
and can I see who has accepted my recommendation?
- Roberto
Roberto: You won't be notified if they accept/deny as the recommender.
- Ross Miller
Ross: Ah, it just appeared on my feed. Cool. (And thanks Meryn)
- Fred Yankowski
Meryn: yes, they will get an email with your recommendations
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret, I accidently just received an email with previous recommendations. I had already viewed them through the web-interface. But indeed, it's there. Email looks good too, as I expected of course. :)
- Meryn Stol
hey Robert Scoble....I have a trade proposal....you send my name to all your friends...i send your name to all of my friends for the rest of my life....
- Bob DeMarco
I would like that deal, too, Scoble. I like this a lot.
- Ben Hanten
Bob: I charge $1 per friend. :-) just kidding, but the UI makes it so hard to send you to more than a few people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Bret: You guys rock! This is so much better than FollowFriday, which I recommended just a while back. Now, I'm waiting for some recommendation emails! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
If there’s something about friends and family not having their account set up properly, I’d prefer a way to recommend them the streams they forgot to add. For example, I could tell them “You forgot to add your Digg stream and your fourth and eight blog. Here’s the link.” Then he could just click the recommendation and had it set up easily.
- Natsuki Seika
Definitely better than #followfriday.
- Bernie Goldbach
As I have lots of subscriptions the pop-up window is *really* slow and always has been since the new UI (same thing for amending friends lists). :-( I like the feature though, so I could make a new friends list of my most recommended users and use that each time for each user?
- Kol Tregaskes
fatma küfür istiyor
- Joan Miro
How to Raise Investment Capital - According to VC Jeff Clavier - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r...
This is a really good post capturing the different stages and expected dilutions
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Evening in Malibu - http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2011...
Nice picture (test: will this find its way to my Google+ account?)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
If one accidentally clicks on "mark as read" rather than "mark section as read" in @feedly, one loses the pointers to all of one's unread articles in all sections, right? Painful.
Unfortunately not. We tried to avoid this by having a confirmation popup. Sorry!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, the pain, the pain. :) Sometimes I guess it is good to be forced to clear the decks.
- Sean McBride
The latest version of @feedly for Android is getting jammed up and crashing a great deal on my particular smartphone.
Hmm. Not good. Sorry about that...2.0.1 should be a lot more stable that 0.9.4 (we fixed a lot of bug). Can you please clarify two things: 1) what phone/OS version do you use and 2) what do you mean by jammed up and crashing and when these happen? will help us try to reproduce the issues.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin -- thanks for the quick feedback. The phone/OS: Samsung Captivate, Android 2.2. What's happening: 1. When I try to swipe left to new screens, fairly often there is a very long pause until the new page appears. At first I thought the phone was locked up, but in time the new page does appear (after 10 seconds or longer). 2. Sometimes the app just disappears in midstream and I land...
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- Sean McBride
More observations: 1. Feedly often now seems to get stuck when "Loading ..." the bodies of articles. 2. Sometimes the bodies of articles don't match up with their titles.
- Sean McBride
Investors Cough Up $1.6 Million To Dine With Grubwithus, The Brilliant Social Dining Service - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
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"The idea behind Grubwithus is an awesome yet simple one. You browse for a restaurant you’d like to go to in a certain city and buy a ticket for your meal at a set price. But the key is that others do this as well, all with the intention of meeting new people over dinner. And when you’re buying your ticket, you can see who your dinner buddies will be. Yes, it’s sort of like Groupon meets Meetup. And yes, it’s brilliant. So it should be no surprise that a long list of prominent early-stage investors have decided they’d love to back Grubwithus. The service, which launched out of Y Combinator last year, has just raised a $1.6 million round. Who’s at the funding table? Andreessen Horowitz, First Round Capital, NEA, SV Angel, Ashton Kutcher, Guy Oseary, Vivi Nevo, Yuri Milner, Maynard Webb, Matt Cutts, Elad Gil, Paul Buchheit, Alexis Ohanian, Start Fund, and Y Combinator."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Clever idea!
- Oguz Serdar
Creative!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like fun.
- Benjamin Golub
grub happens to be the famous bootloader's name
- testbeta
So will you all be put at the same table or just eat at the same restaurant at the same time? How do you know who you will be seated next to so that you might have something in common? You can really only talk to about 5 other people depending on the table size and layout so there is a maximum benefit there.
- Lindsay
why not make it - pay my dinner if you want to talk to me?
- солнышок
feedly on iPad-iPhone superb for News check it out http://www.feedly.com/ and http://twitter.com/#!/feedly
Thanks Thomas!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
★ Cutting That Cord - http://daringfireball.net/2011...
Interesting read
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I'm really liking the feedly app for iPhone - clean and quick. Except for where it keeps saying "session expired" and making me log back in again. Sometimes WHILE I'M READING SOMETHING. That's pretty annoying. What's up with that?
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I like Feeddler RSS for a straight up Google Reader client. It's simple.
- Rodfather
I've used Feedler, too, and like it. But I don't like how it shows exactly how many unread I have. I sync it up and it cheerily tells me "12,864 unread" and I just give up and close it.
- Jandy
Hi Jandy. Sorry. The session expired is a bug in version 1.0.6 :-( It has been fixed. The fix is included in the 2.0.1 version which is being reviewed by Apple. If everything goes well, it should be out next week.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Thanks, Edwin. I figured if I mentioned it here you'd find it and have an answer. :) I'll look out for the update. While you're here, any hopes of an iPad-sized version in the future?
- Jandy
Yes. 2.0.1 also includes a dedicated iPad UI.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Fabulous!
- Jandy
Jandy: I just bumped into your blogroll on http://www.the-frame.com Is that up to date? I would love to get the top 5-10 movie/cinema blogs which feed your mind...so that we could turn it into a mix and suggest it to new feedly users. Please. please. please.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Oh! It isn't quite up to date. I've been meaning to update it. In the meantime, here are some of my favorites (with some intentional variety of style and focus). Film School Rejects (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com). The Playlist (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplay...). Twitch (http://www.twitchfilm.com). The Criterion Current (http://www.criterion.com/current...). The Auteurs...
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- Jandy
Next update will fix this. It's in the Q.
- Michał Chmielewski
Thanks Jandy We are going to try to create an "essential" set around this set. Thanks!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I want @feedly to give me a full report of what it understands about my behavior in reading news.
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Hi Sean. It is actually simple: as mentioned yesterday, our goal is not try to understand your interests but help you discover new sites and follow the ones you love. As such, the foundation of the feedly meta-model is what sources do you follow and which ones did you mark as favorite. Which are all explicit and controlled by the user.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin is a smart guy. Besides, if you were to truly deliver a list of your interests, ranked, it would never end. Should Feedly know that you like walks on the beach in the evening with a beautiful woman while holding your favorite beverage? But you do, right? :)
- Louis Gray
We do not do any fuzzy AI or semantic analysis or click through analysis or watching what you read...we instead focus on giving you the control and lower the barrier to maintain that meta model organized and up to date.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis -- Feedly should know which feeds, authors and topics most interest me, and which most interest my peers, the world at large, experts at large and educated elites at large. I rarely miss on my tech predictions: this research front and technology is going to be huge. It's the obvious next step in news reading.
- Sean McBride
It matters if I am slightly more interested in ReadWriteWeb than Mashable, and slightly more interested in text mining than in encryption. Feedly should understand all these fine discriminations and distinctions in my field of interests, and prioritize my news for me accordingly (as an option, of course -- not by default).
- Sean McBride
Sean, there are apps that do that, and open APIs that Feedly could use. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis -- actually I am betting that the future Internet is going to be largely constructed and organized around self-created and curated simple text lists of our likes that are maintained in the cloud and on all our devices. With very simple markup, all our likes across all domains could be defined with considerable nuance and subtlety.
- Sean McBride
What are your favorite apps and APIs in that domain?
- Sean McBride
Simple binary constructs capture our likes best: I like this more than I like that. Or: [like; publication; ReadWriteWeb; Mashable] where [like; *category; *likeditem; *lesserlikeditem] A few hundred (or few thousand) simple statements like this would provide news readers with considerable intelligence about what news we most want to see.
- Sean McBride
ok but if @feedly would only know if I click action() the items/source..e..g click on it. .right now, I skim thru and still get the jus of the news /articles and what not.. so its more of eyeballs tracking which is really needed
- Peter Dawson
ok..just saying.. what I think is really needed to understand the behaviour of the user :)-
- Peter Dawson
Sean: My6Sense is at the forefront of understanding your interests and how they each relate to different context and help you personalize the world based on that interest/attention graph.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Eyeball tracking for measuring interest -- definitely a realistic technology down the line, if not immediately. For the time being clicksteam analysis and self-created lists of likes will take one quite far.
- Sean McBride
Edwin -- thanks for reminding me of My6Sense, which slipped from my screen. I need to revisit it. Do you have any opinions about Zite?
- Sean McBride
Sean. I have not had the time to try Zite yet. But our viewpoint is that there is much more value in the relationship you create with a site/blogger than just the individual piece of news. We want to help nurture the relationship. We could very well be wrong at the end and more adhoc/topic centric/behavioral approaches might win the battle but we are going to remain laser focused on what we have been working on for more than 3+ years now.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sean, I've tried Zite. Don't forget I work for my6sense and launched Feedly years ago so I know this space a little bit. Zite has good large-scale classification of your interests so the onboarding is nice, but they use preloaded feeds, not your own that you select. my6sense and Feedly both use your own feeds that you bring. my6sense can determine your preferences in terms of sources as well as context. Both my6sense and Feedly are on Android and iOS.
- Louis Gray
yeah 6sense is pretty nefty too...
- Peter Dawson
Edwin -- I appreciate hearing your point of view on this -- thanks for sharing it. You already know that I am big Feedly fan (even a bigger fan since yesterday, after getting a handle on the Android interface). The next year or two should sort out the matter of whether smart news readers will come on like gangbusters or not. You may decide later that building personalized recommendations into Feedly in a way that seamlessly extends the product might make sense.
- Sean McBride
Louis -- I would like to see a creative cross-fertilization of the best concepts and methods from Feedly, My6sense, Zite and some other innovative news readers that are kicking around out there. I am increasingly struck by problems in handling information overload on the Internet. Finding methods to prioritize that flood on a person-to-person basis is going to be a huge business, I...
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- Sean McBride
Edwin -- not a nag, but an observation: some feeds are very high volume. For instance, I like to read Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish, but I can't possibly keep up with all his posts. What if a news reader could figure out which posts from that single feed (or any other single feed) are most interesting/important for me to read, and prioritize them in order of personal interest/importance?...
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- Sean McBride
isn't that pretty much what greaders 'sort by magic' option does? I use that for some high volume feeds and it works well for me. Between that, feedly and my6sense I don't feel like I miss much and I don't spend as much time as I used to plowing through feeds.
- John
Sean. Love your feedback. Keep nagging us. Ranking articles within an existing source is something we already do a little bit of using the recommendation pattern of other users reading the same source (similar to Google Reader magic but based on our own filtering logic). The dark number next to each post is what we call an engagement number. It should give you a hint of how the filtering works.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
John -- Google Reader Magic is one interesting approach to smart news reading. But I think the entire field is at the primitive level of VisiCalc or Mosaic -- with huge room for growth, improvement, innovation, etc. I sense barely tapped possibilities here that could be revolutionary for human civilization. (Yes, that's a note of Singularity Messianism you may be detecting there.) Our concept of "news" for smart news readers will expand to encompass all the information in the world.
- Sean McBride
Edwin -- I sensed that there was some smart filtering already going on in Feedly -- it's one of the reasons I've been a huge fan of the program for many months now (two years at least?). Once one gets a taste of that kind of thing, one wants more. (Over the last hour I've been oohing and ahing more at the amazingness of Feedly for Android -- never has news reading been this slick.)
- Sean McBride
Sean, finding the best from a single feed is exactly what my6sense can do, and yes, John, that's similar to Google Reader Magic, which is good, but not great. Sean, what is your digital intuition level on my6sense? (Excelling/Mastering/Transcending, etc.)
- Louis Gray
LG - How can I sort a single feed in my6sense? For instance, if I only want to see the most interesting items from Techcrunch for today. AFAICT it only lets me sort by stream type (rss, twitter, buzz, etc), I'm using it on android and I've been stuck on 'mastering' or quite some time, maybe this is why :-)
- John
John: Fast example... Go to My Content: Long press on any item, and click Go to Stream. That stream can be sorted by relevance or time. Done! :)
- Louis Gray
Thanks, was fighting with it trying to add folders under streams, long press FTW. Maybe now I can transcend ;-)
- John
Louis -- I just got in and installed my6sense on my Android smartphone. I keep getting "Network Time Out" errors when I try to import my Google Reader feeds (1,000 plus). But when I check the available feeds in my current my6sense configuration, at least some of them are there. Any thoughts on the "Network Time Out" error? (I tried importing with both my usually reliable Wifi and 3G connections.)
- Sean McBride
Very first impressions: I like the article selections already, and I assume they will improve significantly the more I use the program. How do I mark items as read from list view? Does my6sense automatically assume that items in view on the screen are read and dismiss and hide them on the next refresh?
- Sean McBride
I probably don't grasp the overall user interface and conventions yet (I've been at this less than 15 minutes). But I wish I could "like" items with one tap at the list level, and pull up a list of customizable actions with a long press on items at the list level.
- Sean McBride
I get the impression that my6sense's recommender algorithm is totally opaque -- yes? I would argue that it should be totally transparent and understandable in very simple terms.
- Sean McBride
Sean, the algorithm is not totally opaque. It learns from what you do - your own behavior. What you read, what you don't, how long... what you share, etc. There could be later additions for explicit behavior, but in general this data is noisy and insufficient.
- Louis Gray
Transparency in my6sense: show me (and each user respectively) a well-organized table/spreadsheet with the precise data that is being used to rank and prioritize articles. How many clicks on what, etc.
- Sean McBride
Ok: I don't see any mechanism for marking items as read in my6sense. I would like the option to automatically mark items as read as they scroll up into view from the bottom of the screen in My Content. Refresh should hide items marked as read.
- Sean McBride
Again: I want to be able to "like" items (tell my6sense that they are interesting to me) by a single click on them in My Content view, without opening them. And with the option to automatically save liked items to Read It Later.
- Sean McBride
Sean, why not try to build your own product? All you have to do is get one good programmer on board (get him convinced about the relevance of your ideas and your ability to exercise good judgement on product decisions) and work towards a "minimum viable product". Also a good exercise, think about what small, incredibly simple thing - given all tools already at your disposal - will help most in meeting your information needs better. That's what the programmer needs to build first. Build out from there.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: sensible advice. :)
- Sean McBride
It also might be that "the simplest thing what would help you" (see this as a kind of concept by itself) is not filtering intelligence, but some simple improvements in workflow. Sometimes it can be hard to judge as a non-technical person what's the easiest to build. What can sound like relatively simple challenges to a human, can imply incredible challenges to implement. I mean it's...
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- Meryn Stol
I think you could potentially be a great product lead, simply you care so much about having the right tools. But make sure you care about the people building it for you too!
- Meryn Stol
@feedly for Android wish list: tap on a star on an item in list/summary mode to like it and save it to Read It Later (and without opening it).
We do not offer like without opening it but if you tape on the left edge of a card and your settings include you Read It Later account info, then the article will be sent to Read It Later.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Like without opening would save users an important step that is repeated many times during a typical session.
- Sean McBride
Love the Read It Later interface! Very slick. That feature alone may make Feedly my first news reader of choice for Android. (It's already my first news reader of choice for Windows 7.)
- Sean McBride
@feedly for Android: how does one mark items as read in bulk?
If you swipe you finger from the top of the card to the bottom of the card, it will mark all the articles on the card as read. Reverse gesture to keep unread.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Got it -- great use of the gesture interface. I am warming up to Feedly for Android the more I use it.
- Sean McBride
@feedly for Android wish list: option to automatically mark items as read as soon as they appear on the screen in list/summary mode.
There is a preference to do this: so to the settings and select auto mark as read on swipe and the articles will be automatically marked as read as you swipe from left to the right.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Thanks! I love that feature.
- Sean McBride
Also, I discovered this by accident: mark a screen of listed items as read by swiping from top to bottom. Nice!
- Sean McBride
Zite, YourVersion, BuzzBox, Topsy and Google News are outperforming @feedly for personalized news recommendations.
Hi Sean. Long time no see. feedly is not about personalized news. Feedly is about helping users discover great sources and follow the ones they love.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin -- I love Feedly (and use it every day), but I think personalized news recommender services are going to totally dominate the news reader market within a year or so. Think Pandora for news. The greater the information overload, the more tools we need for managing it.
- Sean McBride
I also think that personalized news recommender services are going to evolve into something much bigger and more important: generalized smart personal assistants for managing all the information in one's life. The race is on to build the smartest generalized personal assistant on the planet. Feedly could be in the game.
- Sean McBride
Or not. :)
- Sean McBride
You might be right: personalized news recommender services might be a really big thing. I just wanted to point out that it is not the space we are in. We want to help you connect with specific sources and authors: for example, I am personally getting a lot more by following and reading fred wilson's AVC than I would it I just saw fred's top articles on Techmeme. These are the type of connections we want to nourish.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
The "Featured" sections under categories: does Feedly select the items using any particular rules? Or are the selections random?
- Sean McBride
Looking for a software solution: which unread articles from the feeds I monitor on Feedly are most important for me to read?
- Sean McBride
@feedly @edwk Even if one subscribes only to a few feeds, there is great value in prioritizing the items in those feeds by personal importance.
- Sean McBride
Tried using Feedly on my iPhone today. It marked my entire Econ folder as "read". Now pissed.
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LOL Maybe I should unhide you in GReader now. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Don't bet on it.
- Alex Scrivener
Seriously, if you didn't share so much, I would follow you, without hiding you, but I dont' have time for that.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
It all comes here, anyway.
- Alex Scrivener
Yeah, but here I'm not trying to get to 0. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
My wife refuses to follow me in Reader, too.
- Alex Scrivener
Hi Alex.. Sorry about that. We are adding a mark as read confirmation dialog in the 2.0 release. How did the rest of the experience go?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Fast, beautiful. I don't like having to click on article to get full text, but that seems to be the only way to do a reader on a mobile device. I would like an easier way to share through Reader, rather than just like.
- Alex Scrivener
For some, developing on Android is more lucrative than iOS - http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Bridge Technologies - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
Interesting read.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Prediction: ChromeOS will be killed next year (or "merged" with Android)
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Sure! iPad changed the game
- Guy Vander Heyden
maybe it would stay and grow like android did ipad is nowhere near chrome OS notebooks
- testbeta
Why? Couldn't ChromeOS and Android become the equivalents to Apple's Mac OS and iOS?
- Pablo Melchor
ChromeOS feels structurally cleaner, more futuristic. I mean, it's so... thin!
- Toph Tucker
Because ChromeOS has no purpose that isn't better served by Android (perhaps with a few mods to support a non-touch display).
- Paul Buchheit
also predicted: bear sh!ts in woods. even eric schmidt has said publicly that chromeOS was a side-bet against its own android. as for Mac OS and iOS, eventually we'll see a unified iOS on those, too.
- Patrick Keys
Yeah, I was thinking, "is this too obvious to even state?", but then I see people taking ChromeOS seriously, and Google is even shipping devices for some reason.
- Paul Buchheit
If Google were to take the "activity model" of Android and add it to Chrome as a way for different apps to interact/share data than from a developer perpective, there is not much value in using a proprietary Android dev model versus using HTML5++ (unless may be for games). So from a developer/programming model, Google would be better off killing Android - Chrome/ChromeOS is a better WebOS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
ChromeOS = 1 Laptop Per Child / dumb terminals. If that works, then yes. If it sucks, then your OP is correct
- Johnny
That or like the dream of a lot of Apple users (iOS sitting on OSX so you can select either), ChromeOS could be the browser-based corporate solution for road warriors on the Android system.
- Johnny
If it has no purpose, then why does it have competition? It's true competition is from MeeGo/ JoliCloud/ Win-7 Basic/ Ubuntu. Its undoing could be Intel Atom vs. Dual Core ARM Cortex A9. So currently the purpose is to be the the Android equivalent for x86 machines.
- Umang Saini
Hah, TechCrunch has already picked up this prediction: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Bruce Lewis
I think that a lot of people are seeing the browser as the one and only future app platform, and given that, I think that Google is hoping the need for native apps will simply go away. They're in the position to influence that through Chrome (the browser). Chrome has been built to speed up overall market innovation. On the app side, they make sure that all "basics" can be done on the...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel...
- FullSite
In the end, Google might not even care that much whether people use Chrome OS or not. Just like Amazon doesn't care if you use the Kindle (the hardware). Google just wants to be the full-service middle-man in your overall "computing" experience, just like Amazon wants to be the middle-man for books (or reading). But like Amazon ensures there's a superior end-user experience for their...
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- Meryn Stol
Minitel - Good one alex
- PXLated
That the "simplified" user experience is qualitatively different than the "regular" or "traditional" user experience is a common mistake developer-in-a-bubble organizations make. It really is a matter of degree, not quality: there's no reason why, with minor modifications to the interface, certain devices couldn't just boot up Android's browser by default and give the same benefits...
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- Mark Trapp
To be honest, Chrome OS sounds more like the product Google wants rather than the product that's actually successful (Android), and that alone is its raison d'être.
- Mark Trapp
like friendfeed last year
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
Whether they are merged or not, I am happy, as a consumer, that Google has taken the pains to put out two champion products - Android rocks (on the phone) and Chrome the browser rocks (can't talk about the OS since I don't have access to it yet). From the UX perspective, if they could make the COS work on tablets, it would be a bigger win than Android running on tablets.
- Suresh R Iyer
well, numbers will decide ;-) => millions of smartphones +tablets
- JacopoGio
Possible Google Strategy:- Own-up Java with Android, Own-up Linux further with Chrome OS.
- Vinod
If this is the Sun terminal revistited, then there is no reason to keep it around. I want my free laptop before it's all over though.
- Eric
Having used the closest (refined) product out there to it, Jolicloud, I have to say it's (VERY) fast, highly addictive...and actually a time saver for me. Agree the 'merger' is likely but Linux still has a huge base of developers that don't cost Google a dime. Think a better question (any predictions?) might be ... What's going to happen to Firefox? (and the huge Google infusion that goes along with it).
- Charlie Anzman
Mark - Yes, probably because it's Schmidt's long running wet dream, the network computer.
- PXLated
ChromeOS is little late.
- Ashish
Chrome OS greatest achievement is bringing full web browser to ARM Processors, so we can have $99 ARM Powered laptops soon. Sure it would probably be possible to add Android functionality to Chrome OS (an extra icon in the task bar) and vice-versa add a Chrome browser icon in Android as well. The main thing is the web browser needs to be optimized for embedded Linux devices that are ARM Powered.
- Charbax
mind sharing a prediction as to when they kill friendfeed?
- солнышок
I think it'll kickstart HTML5 if anything. I don't think it'll outright die though. There will be a use for secure terminals and kiosks. For normal consumers, a cheaper netbook that only browses the web without really worrying about the OS is appealing.
- Rodfather
If I'm hearing Meryn correctly, I like the idea that Chrome could push things away from app-happy land and back into browser land. I think apps are kind of a novelty that needs to eventually go away or, at least, be reined in. I hate apps that don't do anything different than what a browser can do.
- Laura Norvig
hi paul, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about your opinion for wired.it, may I have your contact by private message?
- Silvio Gulizia
ChromeOS to Android - Yes. Browser based OS in the mainstream long past overdue and really a reality today with Windows - just track my wife's usage. I could though plop a well configured ChromeOS notebook or tablet down in front of her and she wouldn't lose a beat and nor would probably about 75% of her world(friends, family, etc) and we geeks would love not to have to deal with more...
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- Brad Nickel
Laura, I think ChromeOS apps will push sites to go toward 'app-happy land' in the beginning. The current site will be the standard website where everything will work. Then an app-like site using HTML5 to prep for the mobile app. A UI that would work well with the common denominator of mobile devices, the browser.
- Rodfather
Charbax - Go to Walgreens(if in US) and you can buy a $99 ARM based Windows CE device by Sylvania today. It probably sucks, but they have em.
- Brad Nickel
What about Linux? Any predictions there? Figured I'd ask while everyone is feeling "predictive". Was an Ubuntu mention, but it seems like the Linux conversation has been muted lately.
- Liza + = ?
I would prefer Android to merged with ChromeOS, not the other way round
- Ian
I hope so!
- Naceron
Spanish leading newspaper El Pais has also picked this prediction:) http://www.elpais.com/articul...
- Gabriel Aldamiz-echevarri
@Paul Buchheit (TeamFrank), what you're failing to see is that Web 3.0 is the world trend now, is not something google suddenly invented. Also, the Chrome Web app store will be the one who defines if cOS is successful or not, just like in android. I think google has learned lots in this area, thanks to androids app marketplace. and remember even if you like it or not, web apps will...
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- manny
@Liza hollers, actually chromeOS is based on linux (i think ubuntu). So all progress made either way the other one will benefit from. Specially on the Kernel and web technologies.
- manny
Manny - didn't know that it was based on ubuntu. I love being called @liza hollers:)
- Liza + = ?
Great, now Slashdot even has a link to this thread: http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
- Gabe
And I predict: You would have stayed at Google if you got it ;)
- HateBadDesign
I predict: you're just bitter about anything Google does at this point because Friendfeed has been such a colossal failure.
- xxdesmus
Wow, slashdot is still around? Is that where the crazy haters are coming from?
- Paul Buchheit
I am not really sure why there are two operating systems from Google in the first place. Has anybody supplied a rational explanation for the duplication of effort? Is this likely to be a costly mistake for Google?
- Brian Sullivan
the best combo would be for the android browser to continue to import features from chrome, including the ability to install a web app on an android device, have its icon show up in the apps list, etc.
- Karl Rosaen
any predictions on Yahoo? After their announcement about delicious I'm in the mood to hear a hideous and nasty prognosis.
- JSLeFanu
Yahoo is already dead :)
- Paul Buchheit
You mean tonight's.
- Micah
Spotted this on Slashdot by an anonymous source. Silly birds.
- Liza + = ?
"Yahoo: Where startups go to die."
- Gabe
Karl: I'm sure somebody will point you to this, sooner or later: http://android.git.kernel.org/...
- Marcos Marado
So everything in android runs on a java virtual machine, which in turn runs on linux. Chrome has a blazing fast conscript engine and it to runs on a modified linux. Chrome must also have a basic jvm to support java applets in the web. So realistically all we need is google to as the android jvm backbone into chrome os! Then we get super efficient chrome is baseline that can launch any...
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- Sean
from Android
10 days left to kill or merge!
- Jérôme
Well that's amusing. I'm surprised that an os with approximately zero users would have so many fans. For the record, I'm a big believer in the "instant on, cloud-based os" future, but that platform will be known as Android (and iOS).
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I'm on your side Paul! :)
- Oguz Serdar
It's certainly a strangely positioned product, but having used one, I find it oddly "good". It's much less crufty than my Android phone. Very clean and simple, and that can speak volumes.
- Steve and 3 other people
There are some who call it... Tim.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I didn't read any of those articles. Did any of their authors seem to be "fans"?
- Gabe
No, but many of the comments were from people who said that I "didn't get it", or that I'm ugly.
- Paul Buchheit
I don't get that Paul is ugly. Wait. What?
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Google fans are at times, and increasingly, more insufferable than Apple fans ever were. It must be weird to have an off-hand comment on FriendFeed blown into such a huge story. Unless that's what you were intending; if so: well played.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I've had innocuous posts blow up like that before. It usually starts with a single person tweeting the post with a @techmeme at-reply, and it snowballs from there.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: someone actually used something you said a year ago as a flame on the initial TechCrunch story: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Mark Trapp
Oh shit. Okay Paul, apparently the Internet has decided that IT IS ON between us. Fight!
- Kevin Fox
The irony is that I'm currently working on the Open Web Apps initiative at Mozilla Labs, which if wildly successful will mean that apps are installed and used across devices irrespective of the device's OS, rendering the difference between a tablet-sized ChromeOS and a tablet-sized AndroidOS device largely moot.
- Kevin Fox
I'm looking forward to the days of moot.
- Micah
New TechCrunch headline: "Mozilla working on Chrome OS killer"
- Mark Trapp
Micah, if I had some butcher paper I'd make you a Jump to Conclusions mat with a single 'moot' square.
- Kevin Fox
New TechMeme headline: "Mark Trapp newest editor at TechCrunch"
- Kevin Fox
Forget stock pumping-and-dumping: social media pump-and-dumps are where it's at. Quick, someone who used to work at Google say I'm Steve Jobs's successor! It'll have to be true!
- Mark Trapp
Why are you eating popcorn, Johnny? You're supposed to me MCing this momunental showdown!!
- WoH: Minding her Botts
The name of that "instant on, cloud-based OS" does not matter. What matters is the application model and the glue between those applications. Are you saying that in the future developers will be coding Java Apps, using a proprietary markup, no URLs, no introspection and searchability?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I wonder how long before people realize that the cloud is just the mainframe of the future and decide that we should own our apps and data...
- Gabe
my thoughts :) http://techcrunch.com/2010... great discussions, BTW. except for the shots at TC :)
- MG Siegler
wow, MG Siegler is still on FF. that's huge. BTW, you were amazing @LeWeb! :)
- Oguz Serdar
I prefer the more web-based development model, but that will undoubtably be supported by Android.
- Paul Buchheit
My favorite is the one that calls you "gmail's daddy" o_0
- Laura Norvig
Laura, that's it. I will now solely refer to SJobs as the 'Mac Daddy' (And David Atkison, and Larry Tessler. There are a lot of Mac Daddies.
- Kevin Fox
It's an obvious branding issue, but what I'm not sure about is the enterprise market. Releasing with citrix support was a surprise, not that I think our current network system can support that.
- Todd Hoff
The question is native apps or no native apps. If Android loses its native apps, it could as well be called ChromeOS. But maybe the Android brand wins. Me personally I'm more fond of the Chrome brand, also because it's available without special hardware on Windows and Mac. Much like Kindle.
- Meryn Stol
BTW I don't believe Android will go away any time soon. It's a great competitor to iOS. Heck, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Android coming to pc's. Google has plenty of developer resources available to please *any* constituency, whether they like a traditional OS like Android or a "web os" like ChromeOS.
- Meryn Stol
What would be logical if both iOS and Android gain the ability to make web apps first-class citizens of their OS. Much like Fluid on the Mac, and the new taskbar pinning of IE9. I think there comes a time where only geeks can tell the difference between native and web on these platforms. ChromeOS would by definition have less apps than Android, because it lacks the native Android apps, but less than many is still a lot. And still enough for many. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: that already exists in iOS. Mobile Safari allows users to create icons to web apps on the home screen that act just like normal app icons, and Mobile Safari takes full advantage of everything that makes HTML5 apps "apps". A perfect example of an app taking full advantage of what Mobile Safari has to offer is Glyphboard: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post... After "installation" there is no difference between it and a regular app.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I didn't know. Actually got my first iOS device today (iPad). But, making icons is only the very first step. For example, would a web-app be able to use iOS multitasking api's? I think not. That would need to be supported by Safari (one hell of a challenge I would guess... practically rocket science). I'll check out glyphboard. I have much to learn. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: actually, they do. Web apps have all the support Mobile Safari has, including multitasking. The web as a platform on iOS enjoys first-class support from Apple, and is currently mostly limited to people's imaginations.
- Mark Trapp
I wonder if Apple would let Chrome on iOS? If my analogy with Kindle is correct, Google would want Chrome everywhere. There, they can add support for their app store. But I think Apple would hate that. I think Amazon has been forced to do payments through Safari.
- Meryn Stol
Now I don't understand what your point is, other than to move the goalposts. What does Apple allowing Chrome on iOS have to do with making the web a first-class citizen? Mobile Safari arguably has better support than even Android's bundled browser, and allows web apps *now* to interact with much of the device.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, actually nothing. I was addressing two different subjects at the same time. My bad. Both Apple and Google are the only ones able to make web apps seem native on their respective mobile platforms.
- Meryn Stol
But the competitive landscape that is emerging in my head looks very interesting... I really wonder what Apple's web strategy will be... They can't simply let Google have it all in the future. They'll need to try to be a middle man on the web too. They're positioned fine...
- Meryn Stol
In the short term, they might be content with just people buying through the chrome web store. But long-term? OTOH I think Jobs has claimed that the app store is not a profit center for Apple. I'd be fine with Apple in the long term receding to making just absolutely superior, "lickable" hardware.
- Meryn Stol
Apple's been at the forefront at pushing the web forward: they spearheaded WebKit and were telling developers in 2007 the future of apps was the web. It wasn't until much later that they built the App Store after developers insisted that apps were the way to go. The App Store turned out to be wildly successful, but there's no doubt the web is incredibly important to companies like Apple...
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- Mark Trapp
I agree. But I'm still wondering about whether Apple sometimes does want to be a middle man. They had beef with Amazon (and perhaps others?) re in-app payments. I don't know the details of the story though.
- Meryn Stol
There is no evidence to suggest, and Apple has published everything one could possibly publish to the contrary, that they want to get in the middle of the user and the web; they regulate the App Store, iOS, and the physical devices for their business interests and quality control. In app payments are exactly that: payments within apps that have been distributed through the...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm just thinking that maybe Apple's beef with Amazon was a fairness consideration. Jobs has said that they take a cut from app purchases to pay for the app store infrastructure (and sponsoring the free apps). Kindle app is free, so would be sponsored, yet each install would probably result in substantial money flows (one book is more expensive than a lot of apps). Maybe they should...
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- Meryn Stol
Paul is right. I don't see how Chrome OS can get anywhere. It's like they are trying to solve a 1999 problem. Too bad it's 10 years too late. Now, leave me alone while I play with my connected watch and my new Nexus S.
- Robert Scoble
don't know what to say
- testbeta
I love lamp.
- Mark J
remember android too wasn't taken seriously by many in its initial stages it was expected to fade away, but then google gave nexus with help from manufacturers, chrome os comes with a hardware it mght be difficult but lets see how laptop companies see it do they bring out chrome os based notebooks? because it ight actually cut costs, a chrome os notebook is expected to be cheaper than usual win or iOS based notebooks even netbooks lets see how asus sees it
- testbeta
I haven't played with my Feedly for a while, so this evening, I thought I'd get it out for a look.
Welcome back Ian. Please make sure that you are running the latest 4.x version. Available on http://www.feedly.com
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1pm PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Starting shortly...
- Robert Scoble
Happy Friday!
- Kenny
I'm not getting audio?
- Jerry Schuman
me neither
- Ankush Narula
No audio here either.
- Alex de Soto
guessing it's an off mic coversation
- Jerry Schuman
Don't think it officially started yet...I guess
- Kenny
then again.....
- Kenny
no audio here
- empiricator
they're stirring up the pot for round two of Scoble vs. Sullivan
- Jerry Schuman
Hello Gillmor Gang!!!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
There's no audio
- Stephen Pickering
there we go
- Ankush Narula
there ya go...we have sound
- Kenny
Now there is
- Stephen Pickering
audio is now up
- Jerry Schuman
6,7,8
- Kenny
Better with audio!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
exalogic conversation
- empiricator
enterprise / corporations - all large organizations are getting disrupted - damn internet ;-)
- Xenophrenia
zomg are we talking enterprise tech today??
- Richard
Richard: hopefully not. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But Oracle World was this week, with 41,000 attendees so deserves a mention.
- Robert Scoble
was just saying when watching TWiL that the internet is like water - getting into the cracks and weakening the stucture
- Xenophrenia
it's a speed to scale...
- Jerry Schuman
Capex vs Opex
- empiricator
which is dangerous if there is any sort of disruption - say a major power grid failure
- Xenophrenia
Also, when your hd crashes, your docs don't dissappear.
- Stephen Pickering
horizontal or vertical scaling by clicking buttons.. not procuring, building, installing and maintaining hardware.
- Jerry Schuman
Most Enterprises/business are not in the cloud right now - very small percentage are in the cloud
- Kenny
Is Oracle more frightened of cloud databases in general or noSQL cloud databases in particular?
- Ankush Narula
without power there is no cloud ;-) - something we need to consider moving to the cloud
- Xenophrenia
no power in your own datacenter and there still is no data... no difference
- Jerry Schuman
Ankush: all the above.
- Robert Scoble
@Ankush Narula nosql is currently a web thing. in the enterprise, transactions and data integrity are still more important than pure scalability
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Checkout Azure http://www.microsoft.com/windows...
- empiricator
if it doesn't effect you directly but the connection to the cloud it might - there are just things that need to be thought of when doing this - we are vulnerable - ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Isn't it weird, we use the cloud on our desktops and the metal on our iPads?
- Stephen Pickering
Google's entire enterprise sales team is like 60 people. Microsoft... I have no idea
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: the evangelism team alone is 1,200 people at Microsoft. That's not counting salespeople.
- Robert Scoble
APAR's keep me employed.
- Jim Posner
@Edwin - how far away are we from XA transaction support in CouchDB or MongoDB?
- Ankush Narula
What Browser does Steve use??
- Kenny
IE the browser that launches most often to download a better browser
- Jerry Schuman
My guess is far.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Google Marketplace has potential for major disruption in the enterprise.
- Jerry Schuman
Mac client is integrated into the Finder
- Jerry Schuman
Is you start layering all that things transactional apps need to a nosql db, you end up having something that looks very similar to a traditional RDBMS
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin - I'm gonna have to think about that
- Ankush Narula
Apple has no Cloud Strategy, and if they don't get one, Google Pads will overtake them
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Robert - This is @Double_K - thx for the response, audio is up and working now
- Kenny
Apple has a cloud strategy and it will be revealed over time.. slowly, carefully
- Jerry Schuman
@Stephen - 160M active credit cards in iTMS seems like a pretty good start
- Ankush Narula
Apple is a closed and highly profitable competitor would be a better statement
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry I don't believe it. They're just not good at it and its going to take more than one server farm in NC to scale one
- Stephen Pickering
I agree with Stephen. Apple is losing in social and services. Big time and I am seeing signs that they will continue to lose.
- Robert Scoble
Apple building its cloud at this massive data centre here http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...
- empiricator
Ankush, I agree, but when I can't edit a pages document from anywhere, even after I buy the app and the program on my computer, its just a pain.
- Stephen Pickering
Robert? have you had the chance to play with Windows Phone 7?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert-Do you think there is any criminal liability in the angelgate debacle?
- Jim Posner
If so how to you think Apple is going to react to the WP7 start experience
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: yes, it's pretty nice. No apps though.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think Apple is in any rush into this space. I think they will study every nuance, every failure and every success to produce a product/service suite that meets Apple's needs and the customer that they intimately know.
- Jerry Schuman
It is surreal that Apple has almost a 300 Billion Market Cap though
- Stephen Pickering
Apple is investing $1 Billion in the cloud http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...
- empiricator
it's not a failure, it's just not a success
- Kenny
first failure at FB... think that was Beacon
- Jerry Schuman
Gowalla!
- Stephen Pickering
seems like innovation in the location/places space has plateaued.
- Jim Posner
they don't do social - maybe it's the engineers and not Google?
- Xenophrenia
Ping! Was waiting for that
- Ankush Narula
he's not a people person
- Xenophrenia
he's never been good at social
- Kenny
all may be true but Social is a big market and Apple doesn't get it
- Kenny
Apple's strength is poise and leadership. Not reacting to trends in the market. I think it's naive to count them out of social or the cloud.
- Ankush Narula
Foursquare is testing location based recommendation engine http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story...
- empiricator
location doesn't stand on its own
- Jerry Schuman
You can't count out Ping. I think they'll learn from it. Maybe it's like the Lisa of the social world.
- John Taschek
just like the local search market is still up for grabs.
- Jerry Schuman
Females don't use Check Ins much
- Stephen Pickering
I think Foursquare did a good job with location --- made it game-like. I'm sure location will evolve given time.
- Alex de Soto
Steve Jobs thinks most other people are beneath him - great for doing business not so hot with social skills
- Xenophrenia
Automatic instant recommendation is the next thing
- empiricator
Xeno, exactly
- Stephen Pickering
Clearly these technologies are in their infancy. The fact that they have so much traction is amazing.
- John Taschek
be interesting for a history app..what happened here historically.
- Jim Posner
Discovery is still the killer app... it crosses all interfaces, devices and services.
- Jerry Schuman
Amateur Hour is Over!, said Jobs! hehehheeh
- Stephen Pickering
females don't use check in for very valid reasons ;-) ... I would never use it - especially on Facebook - don't trust them ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Oh sure, I totally understand, Xeno
- Stephen Pickering
Instant Personal Discovery Recommendation
- empiricator
That's actually how Robert gets people to buy drinks ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
NO! Tagging friends is a horrible idea
- Kenny
Because I can tag someone whos not really there
- Kenny
They definitely need to get businesses involved with some kind of reward
- Stephen Pickering
yay - a psycho ex-boyfriend with a mutual friend now knows where I am ;-) ... good idea ...
- Xenophrenia
E-World 1988
- Jerry Schuman
For instance, I checked in at a store and restaurant today, but I got no reward, no discount, or even aknowledgement from the business
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: that takes time, clearly coming.
- Robert Scoble
Re: mobile LBS, none of the indoor locations are mapped out yet...
- micello
Today Foursquare is testing location based recommendation engine http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story...
- empiricator
Mobile + Cloud + Location = Cool
- Alex de Soto
Stephen - Try shopkick for rewards
- Kenny
are major companies too big to move fast enough for how fast things are changing with the internet?
- Xenophrenia
now i'm gonna have to check inon Facebook cuz robert does. Gotta try it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Xenophrenia: yes.
- Robert Scoble
so the internet is going to level the playing field by allowing the small to slip past the big? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Boy, there's such an opportunity for restaurants and retailers, since there's so much competition in those spaces to use rewards to keep people choosing them
- Stephen Pickering
throw augmented reality into the mix
- Jerry Schuman
Tina: it doesn't do much yet on Facebook and isn't controllable enough yet.
- Robert Scoble
Oh with Get Glue I can check into the Gillmor Gang! hehhehehehh
- Stephen Pickering
Android= Mobile Ads Revenue for Google
- empiricator
Claiming a Place on Facebook for a business takes too much time. Google has a better system.
- Alex de Soto
Google gets no revenue for Android - its free
- Kenny
empiractor: absolutely right - ads + mobile is key to Google success with Android
- John Taschek
Oh I wann try GetGlue too. How is it?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Check in enough times on GetGlue and you get a Tina sticker
- Jerry Schuman
Schmidt hinted that there was a lot coming from Android in the near future.
- John Taschek
taschek:yes
- empiricator
John: yes. A social network! :-)
- Robert Scoble
being right is a fatal flaw??? - oh boy - I'm gonna stop trying to be right from now on ...
- Xenophrenia
Charles blog: http://www.platformonomics.com/
- Alex de Soto
GetGlue? Do we need another check-in? What's different?
- John Taschek
Oh its great, Tina, fun to check into shows and movies, etc
- Stephen Pickering
Robert- What is going on with DataSift...they seem to really be taking their time opening up the beta....do you regularly use it?
- Jim Posner
Jim: I don't have it yet. Nick promises "soon." I think he's showing off at Techcrunch Disrupt next week.
- Robert Scoble
Mobile Ads is the battle
- empiricator
Jerry: a Tina sticker. lol!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Get Glue is more of a "Virtual" Check in, you check in to books you are reading, movies, TV shows
- Stephen Pickering
I want a Tina sticker!
- Robert Scoble
That's right: Segmented Quarter reporting
- empiricator
yeah - cuz the stock market is so rational about it's decisions
- Xenophrenia
Just emailed Get Glue to add Gillmor Gang
- Stephen Pickering
Larry Ellison wants Android to counter SAP/Sybase
- cliveb
legally?
- Xenophrenia
What about Facebook entering Mobile??
- empiricator
could they lock out Google legally?
- Xenophrenia
What about Facebook entering adverstising?
- empiricator
aw geez goofy Gillmor Gang stickers. I love it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
they can make Bing the default - but to actually cut them out would cause issues for them wouldn't it?
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: they don't need to lock them out in an illegal way. Go to Apple iPhone. What map is used? Google's. Have you ever tried any other map there? It's not possible.
- Robert Scoble
damn, I bought bought Baidu at 60 sold at 100, now its 945!
- Stephen Pickering
Xenophrenia: the default is HUGE.
- Robert Scoble
Pre 10 for 1 split
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: yeah - but you guys are talking about them not allowing Google on the phone
- Xenophrenia
I sold Apple at 22 before it split. Big mistake.
- Robert Scoble
Xenophrenia: Apple already doesn't allow Mapquest to be on the iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
If we start talking about carriers lets talk about the FCC decision yesterday... talk about disruption.
- Jerry Schuman
Xenophrenia: do you think anyone is going to switch off of the defaults? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook entering mobile+advertising is the big enemy http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...
- empiricator
isn't there a new Verizon Android phone that is out that has Bing as the default??
- Kenny
Kenny: that's what we're talking about.
- Robert Scoble
sorry, took a call and missed a bit :(
- Kenny
Robert; I would - but that's me ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on Verizons app store for developers. Have the distinct feeling the old $$$ for development from the BREW days is coming back.
- Jerry Schuman
Ooooooh, the Facebook iPhone and iPad apps suck!
- Stephen Pickering
I don't like anyone deciding for me what I'm going to use
- Xenophrenia
nice pregnant pause from Steve.... how do we make that a sticker?
- Jerry Schuman
They've never even updated them
- Stephen Pickering
Xenophrenia: you are a geek.
- Robert Scoble
So am I. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: there need to be more of us ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Oh good. I get to catch some of the show live for a change. Did the cloud people come in peace?
- Amyloo
You can see Places on Facebook mobile for iPhone which is a good way to market a "place."
- Alex de Soto
Amyloo: hah! Not according to Oracle.
- Robert Scoble
+ massive banner ads
- micello
could the ad layer on uStream be any worse? https://techauratransfer.s3.am...
- Jerry Schuman
Steve: that's what I don't like about Facebook
- Xenophrenia
Amyloo; Some came in peace. Others left in pieces.... (sorry)
- John Taschek
I only use it because my family does
- Xenophrenia
No
- Stephen Pickering
Peace line was priceless.
- Amyloo
in the social space - Google has a lot room for improvement
- Xenophrenia
there is no stock yet is there?
- Xenophrenia
Any once catch Colbert on CSPAN..watched it live..quite surreal
- Jim Posner
It's true, Social hasn't found their secret sauce for making money like Google found with Adwords
- Stephen Pickering
Revenue est. is $1.4 Billion 2010
- empiricator
Yes, but that's not enough liquidity to trust that valuation
- Stephen Pickering
He didn't give it to the school.. he gave it to HIS foundation
- Jerry Schuman
AngelGate!
- Stephen Pickering
supposedly run in conjunction with the Mayor of Newark who also put in 100 million
- Jerry Schuman
the media hasn't had anything to offer for quite some time
- Jerry Schuman
Accept lowest common denominator types stuff
- Stephen Pickering
It's hard not to put the two events together, given the timing.
- Amyloo
and Lindsay Lohen is in jail again ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
"vapidity" - Good word Steve!
- Kenny
The media gets to decide the narrative and as we know their best-selling narrative is cynicism and vitriol.
- Ankush Narula
this section is getting boring
- empiricator
when teachers have to buy their own supplies - we have an issue ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I'm cynical about SEO experts ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
come on talk about FCC white space ruling
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: you're trying to save this show. Stop it! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jerry: Very funny...and timely!
- John Taschek
I've been trying to save this show for two years!
- Jerry Schuman
What about Angel Gate?
- Stephen Pickering
"The #cloud is not a [Big Exalogic] box taller than me. Beware of the false cloud" @Benioff
- empiricator
competitor to vmware maybe?
- Ankush Narula
Can you put the (or even a) cloud in a box?
- Amyloo
"litmus test: if you have to buy more hardware just to get started it is not a cloud" via @Werner
- empiricator
He just bought a hardware company... wonder why he's worried
- Jerry Schuman
Why did he buy Sun, for Java?
- Stephen Pickering
we need saving?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
phish
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Phish rules! :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Google used to sell boxes for radio stations too!
- Alex de Soto
Stephen: Oracle is about large, centralized, databases and systems. Cloud is about breaking that up. Rackspace buys a lot of Dell and HP machines, not as many Oracle machines.
- Robert Scoble
Oracle is building boxes because that is what their customers are asking
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Capex vs Opex
- empiricator
Oracle is a *very* pragmatic - sales oriented company
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Anyone who says otherwise, does not know Oracle.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
don't forget that Sun had a cloud play.. more a compute cloud then a general use cloud...
- Jerry Schuman
Oracle is building boxes because the margins on big boxes are high...and they get a new maintenance stream through the virtualization technology.
- John Taschek
Stargate SG-1
- Jerry Schuman
taschek: 100% right
- empiricator
HW margins aren't very high...margins on the software is very high
- Kenny
Oracle has 10,000s customers who have clusters with 100s of dell, hp machines...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sun had a lot of cloud-like offerings. Almost everyone who worked on them left...
- John Taschek
can you get youtube through a roku box?
- Xenophrenia
In true form, Oracle will probably buy AWS and/or Rackspace if this whole Exalogic thing doesn't work out.
- Ankush Narula
Netflix already made a billion dollar deal for more content
- Stephen Pickering
Xenophrenia: yes, but you have to turn it on.
- Robert Scoble
the exa line allows those customers to encapsulate those boxes into things which are simpler to install and upgrade...the ROI is dead simple
- Edwin Khodabakchian
social graph tied to things like GoogleTV is going to be the monetization catalyst
- Jerry Schuman
ooh ... this is sounding very tempting ... using a PS3 right now and I hate their interface
- Xenophrenia
Ankush: since Rackspace is Open Source it'll probably be us, so he can crush yet another open source system. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
It would make totally sense at some point for Oracle to buy rackspace...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Xenophrenia: I agree with you. PS3's UI sucks.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think I'm going to like seeing ads on my videos when watching it on a big screen. Ads on search results a whole different thing...
- Amyloo
Right now they need to digest the Fusion Apps first
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin - not for Rackspace customers
- Ankush Narula
Larry Ellison bashing the cloud a year ago http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- empiricator
Why not...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
So Robert - would I be better off waiting for the Google box? ... all this stuff is taking too long to come out ;-) ...
- Xenophrenia
It was Ellison that wanted everyone to have a thin client.. kind of counter intuitive
- Jerry Schuman
@Edwin: I'm skeptical of anything Ellison touches
- Ankush Narula
DoubleTwist works pretty well for Android
- Kenny
Plus Ellison's personal investments in massively parallel architectures. Thin clients and big monster boxes make a lot of sense together. But Oracle never pulled it off.
- John Taschek
;-(
- Xenophrenia
TWIT is on Roku
- Amyloo
should have tried VLC on iPad
- Jerry Schuman
Boxee
- Jerry Schuman
Shocker - Steve won't buy a google tv
- Kenny
52" here ...
- Xenophrenia
@Robert: GoogleTV the demos look plain awful
- Ankush Narula
@Jerry: Agreed.
- Ankush Narula
Wonder how many years it takes to stream bluray quality video over netflix?
- Jim Posner
Steve - Yeah google's a big failure
- Kenny
AirPlay + AppleTV shouldn't be underestimated - the AirPlay API's are exposed to developers
- Ankush Narula
Jim, not very long if you live in Chattanooga, TN
- Jerry Schuman
Don't count out Google's dark fiber
- Jerry Schuman
Jim: Netflix streaming ain't all that blurry. Most people can't tell the difference. And YouTube's streaming last night was freaking awesome.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert - best option to hook a computer up to the TV? ... You can get anything through the computer - would be nice if it were easier though
- Xenophrenia
next big thing... we're going back to Agents. Everything old is new again.
- Jerry Schuman
Instant recommendation agents-yes
- empiricator
I want a sticker!
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry I emailed Get Glue to add the Gillmor Gang :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Netflix streaming is really excellent -- even in non HD. You need a lot of bandwidth though -- or more importantly ping performance.
- John Taschek
Personally I like 4K ala RedCamera..4K experience on Youtube is less than optimal.
- Jim Posner
John, what's Ping Performance?
- Stephen Pickering
You need a 25' Screen for 4K optmization!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen - really I meant latency for the buffering aspect. You can check yours at http://www.pingtest.net/
- John Taschek
Ah, OK, thanks John. Glad I'm an EZCH investor, "Network Processors"! heheheehhe
- Stephen Pickering
I dream of seeing 4K on a OLED ipad
- Jim Posner
Nice - I hope they get specialized network processors in the televisions. Maybe they're there, but they are probably first generation.
- John Taschek
Dang, even though I have a 22mb Comcast, my pingtest is taking forever, I must have a lot of latency issues. :-(
- Stephen Pickering
Tip: 'Hide' sensitive data in Address Book - http://www.tuaw.com/2010...
Interesting tip
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Does Size Matter? - http://jeffnolan.com/wp...
Test 2
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Does Size Matter? - http://jeffnolan.com/wp...
interesting read
- Edwin Khodabakchian
iAds now allow in-app downloads - http://www.tuaw.com/2010...
Interesting move
- Edwin Khodabakchian
iPad App Faceoff: Netflix vs. Hulu Plus - http://theappleblog.com/2010...
This is interesting.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My Feedly recommended items do not seem to be showing up on Friendfeed.
Is Feedly still transmitting recommended items to Friendfeed?
- Sean McBride
Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure that the feedly like function shares correctly to Google Reader.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Hmm.. I did some test with the latest version and the articles I thumb'd up are showing in the Google Reader shared item's list. Can you please check and see if the recommended articles are propagated to Google Reader?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin -- I checked a few items: they are making it from Feedly to my Google Reader Shared Items page, but not from there to Friendfeed. Perhaps this is a Friendfeed issue?
- Sean McBride
Ok -- they are starting to flow into the Friendfeed stream again.
- Sean McBride
Future of document reading: combine best features of Feedly, Google Fast Flip, Google Reader, iPad iBooks, Kindle and Martview.
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Thanks for including feedly in this list!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin -- I would especially love to see Feedly add the option for a Fast Flip-style interface for browsing articles (I've become somewhat addicted to Google Fast Flip). I just checked out Martview -- another flip-style interface for reading articles and books -- this trend looks promising. Martview is a bit crude around the edges, but it is on the right track.
- Sean McBride
Have you seen http://blog.feedly.com/2010...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Looks good! You are already well down this path of development, clearly. But I would like to be able to use this style of interface on my laptop or desktop, as well on on the iPhone or other smartphones. The other critical component: a really smart recommender system to keep dynamically pushing the best items (for each user individually) to the top of the queue. Google is moving in this direction, but the implementation still lacks serious intelligence.
- Sean McBride
This design is still at its infancy. But when it matures into something useful/proven, we will replicate it across all the devices/form factors we support. Will keep you posted.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Feedly takes a step backward: one can no longer star or share items from their list view.
In 2.x.252+, you can. Hover on the excerpt and the controls will appear. Similar to the Twitter web ui
- Edwin Khodabakchian
from iPhone
Thanks, Edwin -- I withdraw my complaint. :)
- Sean McBride
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