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Thomas Hawk
7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community -
7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community
My friend Robert Scoble has a blog post out talking about the reasons why FriendFeed is not seeing the sort of growth that Twitter and Facebook are. Personally I consider FriendFeed to be a vastly superior platform to both Facebook and Twitter, but it is interesting noting that it does not seem to be getting the traction of these other services. That said, I think that there is a huge opportunity for FriendFeed to better engage a very large existing community that is Flickr and to offer power user sort of tools for Flickr’s most active users. I’ve already written in the past about how I think the existing version of FriendFeed represents a superior way for people to browse Flickr than Flickr itself, but I think that FriendFeed could go a lot further and could definitely attract more (and super active) Flickr users if they improved things even more. So this list represents seven ways that I think FriendFeed could build a better way to engage with the Flickr Community. It should be... more... - Thomas Hawk
I gave up browsing Flickr when I found FriendFeed well over a year ago. I have many, many groups for browsing photography on FriendFeed. In particular my Flickr Photography group: - Kol Tregaskes
Agree about importing your Flickr contacts, been asking for that for eons. Similar request for importing non-FF Twitter friends would be cool too. I've manually added my favourite Flickr photographers, a chore, so an automated feature would be most welcome. - Kol Tregaskes
Freind Feed is great at being Freind Feed and Flickr is great at being Flickr - Kevin J Hatton
Quick tip if you do import your Flickr streams as a custom RSS into FF, use Ivan's Feed-Buster: to get larger thumbnails. - Kol Tregaskes
Kevin I disagree. Both are great services for what they are. But Flickr no longer innovates. They are a static service sort of on autopilot. There's a need for power users to grow beyond what Flickr currently offers and fortunately Flickr has a robust API where these users can flock to things like greasemonkey scripts and FriendFeed to improve their Flickr experience. People like Kol... more... - Thomas Hawk
Agree with point 6 too. That would be cool. Also the ability to separate Flickr user's favourites and their own photos would be most welcome. I like to have a group for each separately. - Kol Tregaskes
I actually wish FF would not import Flickr photos in batches. They wouldn't do that with any other kind of imported media, and I think it makes it difficult to have any sort of engaging discussion around photos on FriendFeed. - Michael Hocter
how would you suggest they import flickr photos instead Michael? - Thomas Hawk
Point 7 sounds interesting. The saved searches are OK but the Best of Day/Week/Month feature would be great for this if it worked on searches. - Kol Tregaskes
One at a time, just like they do any other feed item. I understand why this would be a pain for Flickr favorites and people who post in huge batches at a time, but most of us only post a few photos at a time. - Michael Hocter
I like being able to see the Flickr favorites of other FFers since I find new and interesting Flickr users that way, much more than I do through Flickr itself. I don't mind having them come in batches. A particularly interesting photograph can always be given its own post. - John (bird whisperer)
Michael, I'm OK with that, what annoys me though is when it imports a batch, you go fave more then it reimports them and removes the old import with all the comments and likes. I'd like to fave a batch of pics, force a redresh, then fave some more then force another refresh and have both these come in as separate batches. - Kol Tregaskes
I guess I think showing photos one at a time would be super noisy. For someone like me who imports about 300 photos into Flickr a week this would mean 300 separate entries on FriendFeed. I think that would detract from the overall FF user interface and experience. I think they are doing the batch posting fine now, but it's just that they are doing it backwards and opposite of how flickr shows photos on Flickr. - Thomas Hawk
Michael, use an RSS feed of your stream with he Feed-Buster service, that's exactly what you're after. - Kol Tregaskes
Having Flickr photos come one at a time would be really annoying, at least for me. It would crowd out everything else in my feeds. - John (bird whisperer)
Thomas, like my stream from ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Another feature I'd like: In search, I wish I could separate Flickr uploads from Flickr favorites. I prefer to talk to the people who actually take and upload the photos, but when you search, the majority of photos you see are from Flickr favorites. - Michael Hocter
Kol, your stream rocks! - Thomas Hawk
Michael, agree. I've never been able to separate the two. - Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, thanks Thomas. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Michael I agree with that idea as well. I think maybe the two can be one by default, but give users an option to split them if they want. I'd much rather be able to view the two independently. - Thomas Hawk
There are many ways FF could be improved to help us photo-happy people (and most features would benefit the community in general), such as the ability to search for entries with pictures *only* (on it's way I believe), search by date/time, be able to search by selective imported feeds, e.g. I cannot search for my images only, etc. - Kol Tregaskes
FF could even go further and let you sign into flickr and then you can like and comment and it flows back to flickr - Phill Price
hear hear Phill - Thomas Power
It would be pretty slick if I could hover over a photo on FF and fave it on flickr. I think that would take more than basic API stuff though. - Thomas Hawk
For me, FriendFeed needs to improve for new users. For instances the suggested users list is not the way to go and the lack of introduction to the service's features upon registration is virtually non-existent. When a new user has completed registration it needs a quick and simple Flash anim to demonstrate FF's basic features (an adapted version of one of Ross' videos would be cool),... more... - Kol Tregaskes
Faving a Flickr photo on FF would be super!! - Kol Tregaskes
JA, exactly. ;-) But that lies the problem, Flickr perhaps wouldn't want that? - Kol Tregaskes
The suggested users list on FF definitely needs to incorporate activity and not just popularity. That's a whole other subject though. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas, yep. Sorry going off in all directions. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
I suspect Flickr could be resistant to some of these ideas. After all, attention on the internet is a zero sum game and making FF that much better for hardcore flickr users could siphon off traffic from them. Still, I bet a bunch of this could be done through the API as it stands now. - Thomas Hawk
I prefer to see at least a medium-sized version of a photo before I fave it, so I doubt I would fave through FF if such an option existed. Agreed with most of Thomas's seven suggestions. - John (bird whisperer)
John, yep, bigger versions of the pics are needed, would that watch in the current batches? - Kol Tregaskes
bigger versions would indeed rock. It would be nice to have a user setting though to either see small thumbnail photos are larger photos. This way the people who are not as interested in the photos as some of us could still choose to see them small. In fact small should probably be the default with a user option to view them larger instead. - Thomas Hawk
I kind of like the thumbnail batches, and being able to choose which to click through. My comment was specifically about faves – it's hard to pick favorites from just thumbnails. - John (bird whisperer)
Another thing I'd like to see changed (or at least be toggleable) is the feature what hides entries under 'more form <service>' on lists. I have lots of photo-related groups in one friends list and having them hidden like this is annoying. Also the hiding of the Flickr photos in the batches is annoying too. Personally I'd like this expanded all the time but a toggle would be nice. I appreciate this might be set-up as it is because of performance. - Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, agree. - Kol Tregaskes
More user options for controlling the display of Flickr photos would be helpful. - John (bird whisperer)
I'm kind of disappointed in Friendfeed. Too much focus on competing with Twitter, and not enough on what was originally the core idea of aggregating services. And sadly they've de-emphasized service integration so much that I wonder if they'll even keep doing it, let alone improve the integration. And Flickr, for that matter, sucks too - Thomas hit the nail on the head above, Flickr has... more... - Eric P
Eric, I think you're right about Flickr. Flickr's mostly been laying people off these days. They laid off designer George Oates, Engineer Rev Dan Catt, and lots of the other original talent there has left, Cal Henderson, Stewart Butterfield, Eric Costello, Kakul Srivastava recently left the helm of the site as well to work on other things at Yahoo. The last innovative thing that they... more... - Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thanks for taking the time to write this up - Bret Taylor
Bret, you're welcome. I think you guys have the best opportunity to drive a lot more Flickr users over here. - Thomas Hawk
Hey TH, as always, great ideas from you about improving FriendFeed. I've always felt it's a great adjunct to Flickr. Personally, my social community isn't here (can't get them to join), so FF isn't as useful for me as I'd like it to be (or as it is for people like you and Scoble, etc). Friendbinder is what I've been using to navigate my Flickr contacts (it auto-pulls them all in, and... more... - Criz
Hey Criz, thanks. I'd obviously love to see more innovation via flickr come through FF and especially directly at flickr. Good to know that you guys are working on more than just new buttons. In terms of hiring, the only hire that I'm aware of Flickr announcing in the last year or so (unless I missed it somewhere) was zycster in the "abuse" "customer care" "censorship" bureau vs. the... more... - Thomas Hawk
Rutger, I suppose, adding video was a feature, unfortunately though I think that it was a feature at odds with the flickr community that many in the community saw as more of a negative than a positive. There was a pretty strong and vocal group opposing adding video on Flickr. I've only ever used video on Flickr once (ironically yesterday). Here again, videos are crippled to 90 seconds... more... - Thomas Hawk
I think FF on the other hand has offered us already fairly substantive improvements to the Flickr experience. Being able to see *all* of your flickr contact's photos vs. only the most recent 1 or 5 is huge. So is letting us see our contacts faves. Ideally though we'd get continued innovation from both Flickr AND outside developers like FF building on the Flickr API to best improve the... more... - Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I am zyrcster, and I am not on abuse :) And I think you'll enjoy what's coming down the pike. I hope so, anyway. - Criz
Ah, ok, zyrcster. Hopefully it's something good. I thought you were part of the moderation/customer service / abuse/ censorship dept based on the thread in flickr help. I should re-read that thread. Hard to know who's who on the flickr staff when flickr codes the public "about flickr" staff page to purposely hide staff members from me personally. I hope that coding project didn't take much time away from all that innovation going on over there. - Thomas Hawk from iPhone
Rutger, Flickr RSS feeds only contain public, "safe" photos... definitely not all of my contacts' photos - Michael Hocter
Hmm, never knew that, there should be 2 versions of the feed then so we can choose. - Kol Tregaskes
In fact, I can't even get a decent RSS feed of my own photos out of Flickr because many of them are not "safe" - Michael Hocter
Or is there an issue from Flickr's point of perspective having such content go outside it's site? - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I think it's because they can't authenticate who you are or what your preferences are through RSS - Michael Hocter
I see. They could have a password protection/authenticated feed but FF doesn't support such feeds. - Kol Tregaskes
LOL, Mrsth, that's over censoring stuff! - Kol Tregaskes
that is actually a problem on Flickr's end. They've been censoring your RSS feed now for years. They won't allow any content deemed "adult" to be sent out of Flickr via RSS. It's incredibly stupid in my opinion. I'd love to be able to subscribe to Merkely's nudes (which very much are fine art) for instance and even though I've checked on Flickr that I'm an adult and want adult content... more... - Thomas Hawk
haha, actually Kol that was me. I was accidentally logged in as my wife though, just got home and was using the home computer. - Thomas Hawk
What happened there? Posting from your wife's acount? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Ah, hehe!! - Kol Tregaskes
Now the thread reads oddly. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I don't know about you, but I really wish would implement FF's SUP or FF spider those streams more often. I end up having to manually get FF to pull them in after I've favorited a bunch or it takes *forever* for them to finally be pulled into the FF stream. - Mark Philpot
I've not really checked my groups, is there a delay in importing? - Kol Tregaskes
you certainly can easily add a photo as a favourite through the api - all you need is the photo id and the user to have given ff a token by signing in... - Phill Price
Ah, I did have an issue with my watchlist from I notified them and they checked it and it started working. Are you having problems, Mark? - Kol Tregaskes
How recent was this? I've just been in the habit of manually refreshing my feed. Next time I'll try letting FF get it on it's own and see how long it takes. - Mark Philpot
Mark, a few weeks ago. I'd buzz them on their site and let them know you are having problems too. Works fine for me atm but they said they are keeping an eye on it. - Kol Tregaskes
BTW, people on this thread might be interested in this group for most popular entries feed: It seems to import dups a lot, which is a problem but it's not a huge issue. - Kol Tregaskes
So I can now check on FF too. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, could probably do something similar for your Zooomr too. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
I just added six to my favorites... I'll see how long it takes for them to get imported. -- And a note to any FF developers on this feed -- Please implement a "Comment" link at the bottom of the comments. Especially for long comment streams, it's a pain to have to scroll up to the top to add a new comment. - Mark Philpot
Mark, OK, any issue go to the, they'll help you out. It's their feed after all. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
If you authenticate with the Flickr API you can get at the "unsafe" photos, FYI. But that would require a deeper level of integration that Friendfeed offers today. - Eric P
+1 faving a Flickr photo on FriendFeed - Thierry R. Andriamirado
FF is not seeing the growth other services are seeing because it is not designed for the casual, non-technical user the way flickR, Twitter, and Facebook are. An average person can "walk up" to any of those three services and get them almost immediately. By "get them" I don't mean that they understand deeply/optimally how or why to use them but that they can readily get their heads... more... - Anthony Citrano
Alex Schleber
Everyone's still trying to figure out this brave new world:"Learning & Profiting from Online Friendships? -BusinessWeek" -
Everyone's still trying to figure out this brave new world:"Learning & Profiting from Online Friendships? -BusinessWeek"
Lasse Johnsen
"The solution to the enterprise quality problem is easy: foster a culture that doesn't allow the company to make, produce, sell, or accept shit. Done. Well, it's not quite that easy." - Lasse Johnsen from Bookmarklet
Mike Fruchter
Userfly: Usability From Your Actual Users -
Robert Scoble
Facebook Video Just Got Usable -
"I have a video with Chris Putnam, who runs the video team at Facebook, where he explains more about these changes:" - Robert Scoble
This is pretty cool. Anything which chips away at the walled garden is a big + in my book! - Eric Florenzano
Ross Miller
Bruce Lee plays ping pong with nunchuck.flv -
Bruce Lee plays ping pong with nunchuck.flv
OMG,really? - 阿石
why isn't there a church of this guy? - Derek
That is definitely one of the coolest YouTube videos I have ever seen. - Bret Taylor
Yes, its amazing what people can create these days. - Christian Burns
Let's get Bruce Li vs Forrest Gump - Josh Haley
Lee v Gump. i thought about that, too. would be awesome! - MikeAmundsen
It's a digital edit, but still very cool. - Tanath
It's obviously not digital because Bruce Lee's moves are impervious to photoshopping effects. - Derek
Paul Buchheit
I was going to suggest that Louis get these shirts for his kids, but maybe it's only permitted with identical twins?
This t-shirt could be a reason for trying to have twins! :) - Olcayto Cengiz
They're quality :) - Joe Dawson
Awww cute. Is this a subtle hint to Apple ? :D - Mo Kargas
We still get people thinking our boy/girl pair are identical. We figure they skipped that day in biology class... - Louis Gray
That's hilarious - Shey
My daughter thinks Paste has more personality than Copy. - Larry Kless
YES!!! Louis should totally get these shirts for his twins!! :) even if they're not identical... still cute! - Susan Beebe
Those shirts are hilarious! - Tony
No twins for me (yet). Wondering if i just get a "cut" and "paste" shirt combo - put "paste" on my kid and leave "cut" lying on the floor unworn. - David Bisset (sn)
Chris Messina
Danah Boyd: I will be joining Microsoft Research in January -
"Going to MSR will allow me to continue the research I do and it will give me a productive, collaborative, interdisciplinary environment in which to do it. There's amazing work at MSR concerning social media and even those at MSR-NE who are not working on social media are more than open to the topics engendered by it and more than ecstatic to engage with me. Being in a room full of scientists might not seem like the most obvious fit, but really, you have to meet them to understand how invigorating an environment it is." - Chris Messina from Mento
David Henderson
Myspace Vs. Facebook ; Which Social Networking Site Do Teens Like ... - RedOrbit -
25 Beautiful Macro Photography Shots -
Louis Gray
Facebook Launches Lifecasting Feature, Auto Imports To Mini-Feed -
looks good - but not sure what functionality it will offer over the friendfeed application for facebook? and friendfeed already supports lots more services. will be easy for people who don't already have friend feed account! ...via AlertThingy - ben rogers
I shut down most of my apps in FB. It is boring. - Russellreno
whether they are boring or not is beside the point.... ...via AlertThingy - ben rogers
one thing i don't like about the friendfeed app is that updates to the newsfeed / mini-feed only show the FF logo. i'd prefer to see the source logo (e.g., delicious, flickr) than friendfeed's logo. that's one of the nice things i like about importing with facebook. that, and there's no extra app needed. - mrshl
Yeah, also would be keen to ditch the FF logo in my feed. - Samuel Bostock
Unfortunately, I don't think that their API lets us choose a logo (it just uses the app icon) - Paul Buchheit
Facebook isn't offering many site feeds, surely RSS would have been a good start! ...via AlertThingy - Joe Dawson
Well, I think their primary concern is people importing RSS feeds that don't belong to them. Then again, Facebook DOES allow you to import your blogs already... so.. who knows. - Adam Posey
Louis Gray
Facebook gets into the feed of feeds business -
Bret Taylor
He Wrote 200,000 Books (but Computers Did Some of the Work) - New York Times -
He Wrote 200,000 Books (but Computers Did Some of the Work) - New York Times
"But these are not conventional books, and it is perhaps more accurate to call Mr. Parker a compiler than an author. Mr. Parker, who is also the chaired professor of management science at Insead (a business school with campuses in Fontainebleau, France, and Singapore), has developed computer algorithms that collect publicly available information on a subject — broad or obscure — and, aided by his 60 to 70 computers and six or seven programmers, he turns the results into books in a range of genres, many of them in the range of 150 pages and printed only when a customer buys one." - Bret Taylor
I really like how you added a comment with a quote from the article! Ain't friendfeed swell? Did you use the bookmarklet? How did you include a photo? - iTad
@Tad here's the link to the bookmarklet... theres a good video explaining all of the bookmarklets features lower on the page as well - Ross Miller
Thanks Ross! - iTad
Bret Taylor
Host and Archive Your Own Lifestream Using FriendFeed API and Django | Lifestream Blog -
"Nuno Mariz has created a very detailed post with step by step instructions on how he created a Lifestream for his own site using the FriendFeed API client and the Django code framework." - Bret Taylor
Philipp Lenssen to Become Women's Site -
Wow. "Ask will now focus on finding answers to questions about recipes, hobbies, children’s homework and more, especially when asked by women in southern and midwestern US." - Paul Buchheit
I am with Batelle on this one: Whaaaaaa? - Bret Taylor
AskJeeves has always been the epitome of a bad business model, so this isn't surprising. Women could just as easily get items catering to their interests on Google and Yahoo, and doubt they'll flock to a new site "catering to them" just because it may use pink tones or feature musical selections from Bette Midler and cooking tips from Rachael Ray. If anything, such a notion is condescending. Only amazing thing about is that it hasn't gone out of business already... - Chris Reed
they picked a vertical. i think it's a relatively underserved one online. - Neha Narula
I agree with Neha on this one. This is a great idea. There's a need for products that are designed from a woman's POV. I'm glad they picked a direction. - Ginger Makela Riker
A demographic isn't a vertical. Good luck to them. - ⓞnor
wow I just had an Infoseek, now, flashback to '99, recalling when they decided to discontinue search and become a primarily disney-oriented sports, entertainment, recreation, and leisure portal. the "portal" is still there, lol. - David Vasileff
Um. Wow indeed. So, tell me again why I need a separate search engine to find out how to make lasagna? This is completely condescending and a horrible idea. Women in the southern and midwestern US use Google and it works just fine. Or they can turn to the umpteen trillion mom forums and sns out there. Or they read Redbook. Whatever. I'm about to get feminazi here. - Carla Thompson
yet another opportunity for women == cool lost. - Clare Dibble
Okay, it's gone from my browser search one-boxes. - John Lam
Are there actually people going to places like (I mean those have a high PageRank but I always figured it's just legacy linkjuice or partner links from other high-ranked sites.) - Philipp Lenssen
If there are people still using dial-up AOL, there are still people going to - Chris Reed
it's not a good news,sorry google - qian
Bret Taylor
AOL Gets It Right With Open AIM 2.0 - Embraces Meebo and eBuddy -
That is so lame. Why must AOL screw up everything? - Bret Taylor
Because it's AOL. They also ruined the joy of getting CDs in the mail, and the fun of hating on the new Hotmail UI (because AIM/AOL Mail is just as stupidly slick-looking). - dgw
Louis Gray
Q&A with Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, on hiring, growth, and its platform -
Interesting. "We’re also making product management separate from engineering. Matt Cohler [a long-time Facebook executive] will be running it." - Paul Buchheit
That all rather depends what you think your company's business is - Adewale Oshineye
It seems to have worked ok for Google, but I always thought it was an odd and perhaps counter-productive divide. - Paul Buchheit
Everywhere I've worked that had both Prod Mgmt and Engineering had them separate, with Prod Mgmt and Prod Marketing reporting to Marketing. - Louis Gray
It amazes me the divide between PM and Engineering. When I had my say, I merged them under one reporting structure. Google does the same thing, which is where FB probably got the idea from, and as time passes it grows more and more frustrating. I understand why Bret did what he did now while at the plex.. - Derek Collison
Even within a company like Microsoft or Google, different product managers have almost unrecognizably different roles. It's hard to even talk about who they should report to in any particular case without knowing what they do. - ⓞnor
Paul Buchheit
Coding Horror: Actual Performance, Perceived Performance -
Coding Horror: Actual Performance, Perceived Performance
"Although all the progress bars took exactly the same amount of time in the test, two characteristics made users think the process was faster, even if it wasn't: 1. progress bars that moved smoothly towards completion 2. progress bars that sped up towards the end " - Paul Buchheit
I'd love to see how more real-world style progress bars fare, like the 'go to 30% really fast and just sit there before jumping to 100%', quickly go to 99% and wait for completion, or my absolute favorite: a limit function that is constantly moving towards completion at a constantly decreasing rate until task completion, when it jumps to the end (great when completion time is unknown). - Kevin Fox
I wonder if there's a visual equivalent of a Shepard tone ( - ⓞnor
Egnor: Yep. It's a barberpole. :-) - Kevin Fox
Ha, of course. - ⓞnor
I also wonder whether perceived performance ("how fast did you think it went?") tracks affinity (how much you choose to come back to use something). The affinity effect seems at least partly unconscious, so it might not match exactly, or even at all. YouTube, for example, could totally conduct some sort of experiment on this. - ⓞnor
I did a similar type of experiment in my undergrad, but compared existence of progress bar to no progress bar. For certain time spans (less than 5 seconds or so), things appear to take *less* time if there's no progress bar. I love this stuff. - Julian Missig
I always try to be as granular and precise as possible with progress reporting. I never liked progress bars that showed erratic behaviour, not even for relatively short tasks. - Mustafa K. Isik
Bret Taylor
George Bush on Global Warming - Spoof by Will Ferrell -
George Bush on Global Warming - Spoof by Will Ferrell
"Global warming is an issue that my administration is, is very concerned about - deeply. Deeply in a deep, kind of concerned way. It's, uh, I don't - I start my day and I think about the warming of the globe and how we could get it warmer." - April Buchheit
in fact adam and eve drove an excursion - MG Siegler
Bret Taylor
Netflix Partners with LG to Bring Movies Straight to TV - New York Times -
I just got a Vudu box, which is really nice, but really lacks selection. The question will come down to selection in my mind -- all those dumb Hollywood restrictions mean that all the on-demand companies have really restricted libraries. - Bret Taylor
I'm tempted to look at this offering vs. TiVo/Unbox and AppleTV. I want Apple to win AND for TiVo to win. Best solution is Apple buys TiVo and I go into entertainment-based convulsions. - Louis Gray
I still don't understand why there is no Apple Mini/TV/whatever with DVR support. Given all the media deals Apple has struck, CableCARD support and time shifting don't seem so unreasonable. You just can't have an all-in-one set top box without TV. It is shame Microsoft of all companies is the only company from whom you can get an OS that runs iTunes and records HDTV. - Bret Taylor
BTW, I am aware the CableCARD requirement and DRM on HDTV is the root of all of these problems -- I am just pointing out Apple has a lot of experience with the media companies and DRM, and there is no way in heck I am buying a Windows Media Center box, so I am asking Jobs to let me sell out to his company instead. - Bret Taylor
Eric Olson
Sales and Business Development: Are they the same? -
Taylor Hughes
Barry Schwartz
How Do You Keep Track of Keyword Rankings? -
Barry Schwartz
Interview Questions for SEO: What Would You Ask? -
Bret Taylor
A Very Amazon Christmas For Apple, Nintendo, and the BBC -
Bret Taylor
My family bought a fake festivus pole this year. I miss the smell of fresh aluminum.
So would a fake pole be made of pine? - Louis Gray
Bret Taylor
Evan Williams: The accidental innovator - -
"Google trumpets its innovative nature, but its genius is for attacking known problems (web search, e-mail, calendars, etc) with brute force—weapons of mass computing and mathematical algorithms. Mr Williams's passion is solving new problems." - Bret Taylor
That's an interesting insight. I'm not certain if I agree though, there's a lot going on in Google products that goes beyond "brute force". Either way, I really like Ev's ideas. - Paul Buchheit
Weapons of mass computing.. thats a nice phrase :) - Pradeep Gowda
Ahh...WMC's -- I can see a war against that not too long into the future. - April Buchheit
Perhaps I'm biased, but it seems to me that 'brute force' is throwing money and people at a project with the belief that those two things alone will make a better product. I'd like to think there's craft involved as well, even if it's 'brute craft'. - Kevin Fox
Pejoratives aside, the intent of the statement seems to be that Google rarely (if ever) invents a new category of product; its offerings are better versions of existing products. I think that's a pretty fair cop, except that it's true of almost everybody: genre-busting products are very rare. - ⓞnor
From Ev: "I don't think Google tackles problems with "brute force." I think they're best at tackling known problems, but they do so very cleverly." - Paul Buchheit
Bret Taylor
Our newest FriendFeeder: Ana Yang -
Congrats on your growing company! - Peter Deng
Who drew the cute Halloween logo? - ⓞnor
Awwww, I love the logo! I heart the logo! Who drew it? OMG. - niniane
*chortle - j1m
Welcome to Friendfeed as well as back to the US! - April Buchheit
Julie Zhuo did it for us -- we will do a blog post in a couple hours showering her with praise :) - Bret Taylor
Congrats and Happy Halloween! And awsome Halloween Logo :) - zizukabi
Congrats! - Scott Jarkoff
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