"Der amerikanische Konzern Amazon geht rechtlich gegen die Namensgebung des Schweizer Startups Amazee vor – wegen einer angeblichen Verwechslungsgefahr. Nachdem der Versuch einer außergerichtlichen Einigung seitens der Amazee AG gescheitert war, zieht das Online-Kaufhaus nun in den USA vor Gericht."
- Timo Heuer
from Mento
Amazon - or, better put, their lawyers - think you could. Therefore, they’re urging young social networking site Amazee to change their name and delete Amazee from the Swiss trade mark register. The folks at Amazee, on the other hand, claim that Amazon has gotten its name from the world’s largest river, while their name is derived from the english word “amazing”. They highlight a quote from Amazon’s intelectual property department: “… the mark AMAZEE is not a natural derivative of “amazing”. Amazee is a coined term where the dominant portion of the mark brings to mind Amazon, not “amazing”.” I’m really not sure why “amazee” would call to mind the Amazon instead of “amazing”; especially if you try to pronounce the word out loud. Amazee’s target audience are activists, so they’re hoping that their users will side with them. Therefore they’re calling theme (you can login to the site with your OpenSocial credentials) to participate in a poll and vote on the matter. Funny detail: voters...
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Perfect. Now, I need improved filters that accept contacts groups in the to: and from: field (my filters doesn't work well with dozens of addresses).
- Jérôme
Kevin: You archive nothing? Interesting! Do you delete everything when done sending, or do you keep it in the inbox? (I don't think moving to a label counts, because that requires hitting the archive.)
- Stephen Mack
I'm what we term an 'infinite inbox' user. Okay, on rare occasion I select everything and archive it, but right now, for example, I have 12,087 conversations in my inbox. Once it's more than one screenful it's immaterial, since I don't use my inbox as a to-do list. (I use stars for that. I star something and then my 'starred' list is my to-do list, although I never look at it.)
- Kevin Fox
Every New Year's I vow to actually answer my email and keep a clean inbox. It is Jan 14 and my inboxes are both clear. It usually lasts until February. But *this year* will be different ;)
- Bret Taylor
My rules are pretty simple. Archive everything. Star items that need an action from me. Use filters aggressively to enforce the previous 2 rules (I have filters to star bills that I need to pay, for example). Only keep extremely important / extremely urgent stuff in the inbox. Once a week or so, go through the starred items and unstar things that I no longer need.
- Tudor Bosman
So "star" means different things at different times - "important" / "time sensitive" / "to do later", but as long as the number of starred emails never exceeds 20-30 at any given time, I kind of like this fuzziness. When I was at Google and had a lot more important email, I used labels a bit more, but I find a loose, simple system to work better than one that tries to solve everything.
- Tudor Bosman
Coincidentally, I started experimenting archiving read Gmail this morning, a few hours before they announced the new feature. Previously, I was an infinite inbox user (like Kevin Fox says). I like the clean inbox. I leave e-mails that require action in the inbox -- it's better than starring them because they're right there in my face every time I check mail.
- Mitch Wagner
I work nearly the same way Tudor does. Aggressively archive, auto label with filters as much as I can, and star anything that's super important. Stars mean different things depending on the label.
- Benjamin Golub
If the platform has a social bent, maybe.
- Chris Brogan
I think it depends on the launch strategy, either to open it up and build community from the start (in which case you definitely would need one) or if you're going for the super secret beta aspect (in which case you would still need one but would probably call them something else).
- Matt Dickman
from twhirl
Can someone provide a link to an explanation RE how "community management" is different than "customer service" if the latter is done properly? Or are we talking about the same thing? If so, then yes, every company--no matter the size--needs a community manager/customer service manager/customer advocate of some sort.
- Ken Sheppardson
Marshall -- We thought it about for a while at Twine and definitely had the need in the beginning stages, but ultimately decided to hold off. Why? It's actually pretty amazing, but the community started self-regulating, in a very mature and consistent way that we were pleasantly surprised by. We still check in constantly and our team is obviously very active in Twine, but I am curious what other startups are doing. The community is running smoothly now, but we have to see what the future holds…
- candice nobles
I think a startup should put a developer in the community as opposed to a "community manager". Even though the developer may not be as good of a communicator as a marketing guy, there is a different type of understanding of what people want.
- Rob Diana
Awesome thoughts everybody - I just posted notes on "Do Startups Need Community Managers?"" at http://bit.ly/46i5im collecting responses to include in RWW post in AM
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from a strategy perspective (which is the hat I wear these days), startups are best served by having all of their key staff members engaging in various forms - blog, twitter, friendfeed etc. As a former Community Manager, I reall think that this role is much more effective with an organization that isn't as web 2.0 forward as a startup maybe...however, there are at least a handful of startups that I've assessed that could definitely benefit from having a CM in house.
- Jennifer Van Grove
from twhirl
Amen, mashable! I never understood why Google Geared-up Reader first off; Gmail seemed (and still seems!) to be a more obvious candidate for that kind of functionality
- Andrew Terry
ha. friendfeed comment sections are beginning to be as funny as the reddit comment sections. hmmm...probably just all the same users.
- mike
from twhirl
Possibly. And other clones have come along. But with identi.ca I have *never* seen such a rush of Twitter faithful to a new clone. We. Are. Frustrated. ;-(
- Barbara K. Baker
they might fall apart but its where everyone built their networks, no way to export all the friends, the conversations. you can emulate some of the more active relationships when you move to a new network but the piecemeal people get left behind. twitter is special
- Paul Rj Muller
from twhirl
Yes Friendster indeed ... and MySpace swept in and cleaned up the pieces, just as FriendFeed looks poised to do ...
- Mark Jeffrey
Wait, what was that first step again?
- Daniel Smith
Of course. Isn't addiction required at this point?
- Lindsay
yes :) It hasn't impacted my life yet. A component of my job is watching for trends on the internet.
- Tony Haenn
@Tony same with me - it's integrated into my career.
- Steve Rubel
@k I think I saw a psuedo-science article one time that said there is an "endorphin boost" when we access new information or are waiting for it. Hence the constant need to check email, flip through g. reader etc...So in a sense you are addicted to something just like crack or meth :)
- Tony Haenn
Friendfeed doesn't mean addict in English ?
- Jean-Charles
Hmm... lets see here.. Staying up until 1am catching up on news feeds and/or creating independent media content.... I think I might be. But I can quit any time!
- Mike Wills
@Steve and @Tony...me too...does that make us addicted to work?
- mike
I would feel like I'm cut off from the world if I didn't have *some* connection to e-mail, or Google, or whatever, but I don't think I'm addicted. There are many times (often weekends) where I barely do anything online besides check e-mail... That's why I'm not a very good blogger. :P
- Cheryl Jones
Yup. But I'm ok with 7 days in the woods with no internet too. I think I'm addicted to breathing, eating, and movement. I asked an ex-girlfriend about her addiction to reading "When was the last time you went a day without reading anything?" .... "Uhhh. Can't remember." ;-) See Julian Baldwin's "addicted to learning" thread http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Addicted? No. Not at all. I can quit anytime I want.
- Russell Holliman
To be honest, I am taking a week hiatus the end of this month. Middle of nowhere... no cell phone, no internet, no radio, no TV. I think I'll die! And catch a lot a fish while doing it.
- Mike Wills
I am yes, a program I want to watch is on and I am here!
- Joe Dawson
Absolutely! My wife despairs when she tells me to put the laptop away when we retire at night, and then I roll over and pick up my hiptop! :-)
- Lee Hopkins
Oh, come one. Anyone who reads your confession can relate. After all, it's on FriendFeed. Does anyone other than Internet addicts even use FF? :-)
- Brent Logan
The Internet.... My life...One in the same it appears to me :)
- Keith Bilous
let's find a word stronger than addicted... :)
- Goktug Gedik
I can survive without it for a while before dying of "noise" thirst.
- Roberto Bonini
pretty much, find it tough to deal without Internet connection for more than a day, possible but feels weared, it's where I communicate mostly, it where I hear the news, where I learn something. It's vital oh ye it helps me make a living as well
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I've been away from the internet for hours at a stretch. Sometimes days. But usually, it's because I'm participating in other activities even more addictive than the internet.
- Morton Fox
I'm not addicted to the Internet. It's not like I've been browsing FriendFeed constantly. I take a 30 second break every hour so nobody can say that I spent the whole hour on the Internet. :D
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
from NoiseRiver
I want to marry FF and have half FAIL WHALE babies.. addicted? Never.
- Mona Nomura
I guess I am if I'm upset that I missed this for the past 2 hours. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
I'm glad that Internet keeps me away from my other addiction: reading books. You know, from reading books you get those tiny, tired eyes, your elbows are getting sore from holding up the book and at a certain moment you don't know how the hell you got to move your body because of stiffness. Well with Internet, after all those hours... Well, I feel the same, but happy. ;-)
- Ton Zijp
I'm not quite sure I "get" why people want identi.ca. I mean isn't it just a Twitter clone? Why go backwards from FriendFeed? Isn't FriendFeed already a superior communications platform? I signed up for it but I'm just not sure how I can justify spending time there when FF is vastly superior.
I just like playing around with new stuff. Already I tend to use FriendFeed more than Twitter and I'll probably goof with identi.ca for awhile like I did with Plurk. At least I like identi.ca a LOT more than Plurk.
- Akiva
There are two misguided notions: 1) that Identi.ca is a "federated" service out of the box (it isn't), and 2) that because it's open source, it automatically means all features anybody wants gets put back into the identi.ca service (it doesn't). It does allow you to run your own microblogging service and hack it up, if you want. Number of people who are going to do that? Very, very few.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I get "playing around" with it. I do that with everything too. But after playing around with it it just seems like Twitter, unless I'm missing something. If I'm going to invest time in something it needs to be a step forward, not backwards. Feels like a step backwards to me from FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
the open sourced potential distributed hosting nature of it is whats interesting to me thomas - not a replacement for friendfeed which is conversation & discovery central for me but it could be an interesting experiment in what a short msg'g platform could be if architecturally done right - very early though
- mike "glemak" dunn
It is an interesting point and brings up the question of how viable an open source FriendFeed clone would be. The primary motivation for the Twitter clones has been performance, but perhaps there would be other advantages? Just a thought.
- Ray Grieselhuber
Actually, now that I think about it, identi.ca will never be a real player until FriendFeed starts working with it.
- Akiva
I see no point to go backwards, of course first you have to try it if you want to compare it. http://ubervu.com/ this is what I wanna try when will be public.
- dan
I signed, but will use twitter for post feed distribution and the occasional chat, but i agree that this platform is where we should spend most of our time, when we are not creating content.
- Mário Pires
i keep my ff twitter free! micro-blogging belongs to twitter and co
- Dieter Schwarz
I second utterz, also left a message asking to intergrate its cross posting with FF, this way we can select if we want some or all messages input to FF.
- Anthony C.
Damn, I wish you could "like" comments, because what Winer said here is exactly what I'm feeling, even if I'm not a developer.
- Mike McCallister
from NoiseRiver
I agree and I still find that I post to twitter. My network on FF is really limited and I get absolutely no feedback here. So until more people i know get on board or I become more interesting I post on Twitter and look enviously at people who can get feedback here. Either way, I've signed up for identi.ca but I'm not using it.
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
People want all these new things because it's "trendy" to have a bajillion social networking tools. I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, but then that's the product of a 9+ hour workday coupled with a 3+ hour round trip commute and finding time to spend with the family.
- jerry
Great dialog Thomas. Think most of us would agree that FF and Twitter are essentially two different avenues and that if a SOLID replacement to Twitter came along (with an importer) before they fix it .... could (will) see an exodus of a lot of users.
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Thomas. You make me wonder where are Pownce, Twine, and the whole. of course it's definitely the triumph of less is more: less functions, more community, that's why we're still twitting -
- Alberto D'Ottavi
FF will be the clear winner of this all when it gains SMS functionality
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I second Glenn Batuyong, SMS support is really a selling point for twitter IMO
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
@Glenn that would be a great feature!
- Joe Dawson
twitter (when it works) is still better at being distributed and easy to understand
- Samuel Bostock
What's great about Indenti.ca is that IT IS a Twitter clone. No need to make it "fancier" or "Feature-packed", and what was great about Twitter is that it did ONE thing well (when it's available). FF is only useful for people like you, Winer and Scoble who have followers commenting on YOUR posts. For me, with 0 followers, I rely on my "friends" timeline to read what you guys are writing, and there's WAY too much noise. Especially the most annoying feature the "friend of a friend" posts.
- Terry
Of course, I just realized you hit "hide", then "see more options...", then "hide all friends-of-friends". That's a big fail in my book.
- Terry
Terry (and everyone else pissed off about noise), protip: if you don't like noise, don't start using a service only following A-listers. Those people are interacting with hundreds to thousands of people, and will introduce you to a huge amount of noise, even on Twitter. If you can't find people to follow that aren't A-listers, maybe being on that service isn't the best thing for you at this time. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
- Mark Trapp
The stole the whole thing from Zobzee.com anyway.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
You know if they were an EXACT clone of Twitter (minus the downtime) I think they'd do very well.
- Leo Laporte
It's just another tube that feeds into FriendFeed, to me.
- Josh Bancroft
their IM works, me and another were having a convo through indenti.ca with IM which i miss with twitter. i just like playing around with new things as well, that and "reserve" my username on the new launches, just in case.
- Chris Harris
@Leo Yeah, They just have to do all the same features, and then we will just need a skin on it that makes it look 'exactly' like Twitter. Fail-Whale and everything :P Honestly, I've kinda moved away from the conversation on Twitter and Identi.ca. I mainly post on it with Ping.fm, but I don't really look at replies that much until I get a app. I don't know why, but I really just need something that will Pop Up, tell me what happened, then fade into the background. Browser won't do that
- Tyler (Chacha)
Mark, I'm one of those very very few people then. Already talking to a developer about adding identi.ca's platform to The China Business Network's re-launch. Let the hacking for niche communities begin. :)
- Christine Lu
Christine, don't get me wrong: that's really, really cool. And I'm sure there are going to be others like you that find uses for laconi.ca. There's this notion that open source = perfect software, and it's really being pushed today and yesterday with identi.ca. It's not a game changer. The "it has potential" argument only goes so far. Many, many, many projects have potential. It's what an enterprising person or group of people do with it that matters.
- Mark Trapp
I couldn't agree more. Why have a new service that is just a clone of another? Unless identi.ca can do something that Twitter can't, then thanks but no thanks.
- Brandon Wood
@Mark Trapp I totally understand about the A-lister noise, but up to certain point I LIKE the noise. I don't really care that one of my friends is about to take his dog for a walk, but I AM interested in Dave Winer's thoughts on whatever-new web app. Twitter for me is the perfect blend of quasi-feedreader and cult of personality. FF seems to be "everything that everyone's doing everywhere and sometimes more than once". Plus, I like the @ reply system.
- Terry
@leo, but it won't work; also friendfeed I think is more prone to take over a huge chunk of say what facebook does, rather than a huge chunk of what twitter/etc does. you still need the pipes to feed into the main. I'd also add that a more dynamic/distributed way to have a microblogging like community flow between IRC style chats and twitter like status blogging, so sort of the way to go...
- tycho garen
Let me just say, for once, I am enjoying my FriendFeed experience. Maybe it's all about participation. On Twitter, I can just read what others are saying and make an occasional stupid post... but here, it seems more enjoyable if you're actually INVOLVED in the conversation.
- Terry
SMS support isn't important to me. I prefer managing my interaction with a microblogging site myself rather than be interrupted. For me, and I may be unique here as a photographer, photos are also extremely important. That's why I liked Pownce a lot more than Twitter when it came out. But FF has them all beat hands down, so I'm still not sure why I'd invest time in something like identi.ca now.
- Thomas Hawk
I would have to agree with you on identi.ca. If twitter has this many problems already, would identi have the same issues as well. I really like FF much better then twitter or identi.
- Jeff Chilton
"open sourced potential distributed hosting nature," that sounds cool and all but it reminds me too much of stuff like OpenID or Ubuntu, or whatever it's called. Sounds really good but wayyyy too geeky to ever get broader adoption which is what makes a community site work best. FF has the traction at this point and a nucleus of interesting people sourcing interesting content filtered through social interactivity. Beats anything else out there at present.
- Thomas Hawk
I hope that things like this with their mobile extensions will see the end of the rip off that is SMS.
- John Cooper
I'm finding FF/Twitter great, but am exploring identi.ca
- Chris
It could be that folks are just looking (desperately) for something that will be more stable than Twitter, while having all the interesting people on it.
- Randy Hall
@leolaporte said it all. I get all of the luminaries tallkng to me in real time, and that reaks of awesome. AIR might just be the killer app of the year.
- adam garrett
from twhirl
Right now, Indenti.ca is Twitter, minus a bunch of things. Comparing Twitter and FriendFeed has always been an apple and oranges comparison anyway—one isn't better than the other, since they do different things. Twitter is essentially in beta right now; things should get interesting when Twitter is completely back with XMPP, track, etc.
- Albert Willis
@thomas Hawk and @deathbyninja Being someone with an unlimited data plan, I have to say that the usefulness of SMS should not be overlooked. Not everyone has unlimited data, and in some cases, that data is a walked garden (like T-Zones). Plus not everyone has a smartphone, and in some cases, it's just easier to slam out a text message (especially when in an area with crappy data...
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- Ivan
from fftogo
@Thomas Yes, I agree "open source, decentralized" sounds very geeky, but all that techie talk will be TRANSPARENT for ALL users once it all just works! http://is.gd/LlY
- Hao Chen
i agree. Fun to try different systems!
- Harry Myhre
Honestly, I found it just as slow as Twitter and missing in features. I know, I know - it's open source and features can be easily added. But really, most of my closest friends aren't leaving Twitter and most of my techie friends are on FF. Everyone segregated themselves for me. I reserved my user names at identi.ca, just like I did at Plurk, but that was the extent of it for me.
- Michelle Lentz
Having the ability to post media messages like utterz would be a nice addition to FF.
- Tim FitzGerald