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[WHAT IS]: FriendFeed (and what is it for)? An Introduction
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I remember when I first logged in to FriendFeed (I joined at the launch of the beta version, so my comments will relate to that). My first thought was "What the heck is this and what can I do with it?" I was already an active Facebook and Twitter user (as well as a blogger). Why did I need yet another social web service? In this post I and other FF for Beginners Guides will try to answer those questions.
- Mark Traphagen
DEFINITION: There are as many definitions of FF as there are users. In part that's because FF is so flexible and powerful, people use it for many different things. The "official" self-description of FF is "FriendFeed helps you discover and discuss interesting stuff that your friends and family find on the web." I would add another verb: "share." So in a nutshell, FF helps you SHARE-DISCOVER-DISCUSS. The unique power of FF is the way it allows you to blend and cross all three of those actions.
- Mark Traphagen
1. SHARE: FriendFeed allows you to post things from the Internet (or your own thoughts & ideas) that you want to share with others. You can do this manually by simply typing a post into the blank at the top of your Home page. OR automate what you share here by giving FriendFeed access to any of the other social web or bookmarking services you use (HOW TO: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...)
- Mark Traphagen
2. DISCOVER: Browse your Home page feed and any Subscriptions or Filters you have for a never-ending cascade of stuff others on FriendFeed have found fun/interesting/helpful. The more subscriptions you have, the faster that waterfall flows (feed pages in beta FF now update in real time). You can make anything you see show up in your own public feed by either adding a comment to it (see below) or clicking "like" under the topic.
- Mark Traphagen
3. DISCUSS: Here's where FF "one ups" other social web services: Virtually anything you see on FF can have a discussion attached to it. This begins when any user adds a comment to the post. You can join any discussion by clicking "comment" under the post description. TIP: To keep track of discussions in which you've participated, click the new "My Discussions" link in your Filters box. Discussed topics automatically rise to the top as new comments are added.
- Mark Traphagen
That's the basics, but there is SO much more power to FriendFeed! Browse or search the topics in this group for more ideas. Perhaps my fellow guides will add their own "What is FriendFeed?" definitions below.
- Mark Traphagen
I like this post, but would like it even better were it more concise, less chatty, more descriptive as to the differences between FF and some other, more widely talked-about social sites. Especially for those among us who thus far have abstained from joining by-and-large sophomoric "communities". [Typo? what typo].
- ianf ⌘
Thanks for the feedback, lanf. Typo corrected. This definition was "chatty" by design. My intention was to draw in those who, like myself at one time, feel overwhelmed by FriendFeed's seeming complexity. I wanted to create interest without being exhaustive, so I limited myself to the three things that are standout (to me) about FriendFeed. Sure, other social web locations allow you to "share, discover, & discuss," but the power of FF is the unique way it brings the three together.
- Mark Traphagen
Might be a good idea, though, to create a post here that describes specific differences between FF and other services. In the meantime, if you're interested in that subject, FF fanatic Robert Scoble has hosted many active discussions here on how FF differs from Twitter and Facebook in particular. If you browse this filter: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... you'll find some of them.
- Mark Traphagen
I'll study it later, but for now made it into my own filter (as apparently there is no other way to share ready-mades among ourselves).
- ianf ⌘
Nice intro
- Luqman Saeed
Thanks for the tutorial. I appreciated it.
- timethief
Nice definition. I will add my voice for >4. BLOG, aggregate< .Please boost the blogging capabilities. That means, allow posting more text, allow some text formatting. Otherwise, this mixture you lay out here, is the success recipe for any social site out there - BOOKMARK, aggregate - IMPORT, aggregate - DISCUSS. I might add support for email sending via "em@emailaddress" in the post, and aggregation of discuss, where comments would also go to FB, Intense Debate, Disqus, or any other platform.
- Petr Buben
The Pop Vs Soda Map « Strange Maps - http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008...
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Lunch Hat - http://hades.grainger.uiuc.edu/beth...
Nice simple program for deciding where to eat in Chambana
- Librarienne
Sugar Plum: Mixed Berry Bread Pudding with Lemon Whipped Cream - http://www.visionsofsugarplum.com/2009...
R1CC1, Elizabeth, Bonnie Foster and 7 other people liked this
Tarragon Popover Chicken - http://allthatsplatters.blogspot.com/2009...
Elizabeth, Tamar Weinberg, Dee S. and Lars Clausen liked this
"I really like the flavor combination of tarragon and chicken. Tarragon, especially fresh tarragon, adds such a coolness to whatever it seasons, similar to the way mint does. This recipe really does tarragon justice. After browning the chicken, pour the tarragon popover batter over the chicken. As the batter bakes, it puffs up, enveloping the chicken. The mushroom sauce is quick and easy. I opted to flavor the sauce with a little tarragon as well, just enough to give an interesting background flavor to it. I've made this dish many, many years ago when the kids were still here. This is the first time I made it in an individual-portioned size, paring down the recipe to serve one. I loved the presentation of the single serving."
- Myrna
from Bookmarklet
As a part of our redesign launch, you can post to FriendFeed by emailing share@friendfeed.com, and you can get your feed delivered via email (you can even comment by replying to the messages). See more here: http://friendfeed.com/share...
Brian, Iván Abrego, Isha (Marysia) and 143 other people liked this
You can post to a room by emailing <groupname>@friendfeed.com and direct message by emailing <username>@friendfeed.com
- Bret Taylor
like
- AmirAli+i
That's cool.
- Andrew Smith
did i just notice the new bookmarklet too?
- patrick
brilliant!
- Edward Zwart
Awesome!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I assume we need to send the email from the primary email set up on our FF account?
- Kevin Whalen
Hehehe... Nice :D
- Johnny Worthington
You can add email addresses to your account from your settings: http://friendfeed.com/...
- Bret Taylor
You can post from any email address associated with your account. Email notifications will go to your primary address.
- Tudor Bosman
Currently, we support automatic posting (without going through an "approve" page) for Gmail, Yahoo, and MSN/Hotmail/Live.com. We will add more email providers in the future, and we will also have a technical document on what an ISP needs to do in order to get added.
- Tudor Bosman
I thought a saw a "hello world" yesterday that got deleted rather quickly :)
- Frankie Warren
Isn't this a huge spam vector? All I have to know is someone's email address to mail from and I can send stuff to FF?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: we use a number of methods including SPF to verify that emails came from the actual owner of the email address. If we can't verify, we make the entry go through an approval step before it is posted.
- Bret Taylor
from email
What Bret said; that's why we only support a few email providers right now.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
You should add more Twitter sharing options, so that I can have emailed-posts automatically tweeted. (like by emailing twitter@friendfeed.com). Then FF can become a replacement for services like twitpic
- Daniel Sims
So I could get spammed just by needing to approve posts that didn't come from me?
- Brian Sullivan
I don't see any way to turn it off for my account - does such a feature exist?
- Brian Sullivan
I just tried to send an email to a private group from a different email account and the request to approve it was sent back to the email address from which I sent the direct message. Is this the intended behavior?
- Shakeel Mahate
Shakeel: Yes. In order to approve the post, you have to log in to FriendFeed if you aren't logged in already.
- Tudor Bosman
Brian: as Shakeel noted, the approval request will be sent to the email address that was used to post. If someone is trying to spam, they will receive the approval request, not you. In order to approve, though, they would have to log in to FriendFeed, so they can only impersonate you if they know your FriendFeed password.
- Tudor Bosman
Wow this is awesome.
- Mona Nomura
It is sent to the address that the user claimed does it not ? If they claimed to be me I would get the request? Spam may be an over statement -- but it certainly could be annoying.
- Brian Sullivan
Curious if setting the reply to different than the from will have effect on this? registered with yahoo, but yahoo sends out all mail with gmail as reply to...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brian, that is correct. We will address this issue if it becomes a real problem; we do have some spam-prevention measures in place.
- Tudor Bosman
Rob: you need to associate with your account the address that you send from (that is, the address in the From: header).
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, I think your solution is brilliant, thank you.
- Shakeel Mahate
And an IM bot - that would make my work interface a breeze
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from Nambu
Nicholas: The IM bot is there. Just set it up and use it :-) I'm getting some notices now....going to test sends in a sec
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tudor: thanks for the clarification
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicholas: we have been supporting IM notifications and replies by IM for a while now. Is this not working for you? See http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor: I'm not seeing IM notifications on "comments on posts I commented on" (and maybe same for posts I liked
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: we just added that feature last night, so yeah, it's possible that there are some bugs. Looking into it.
- Tudor Bosman
Thanks Tudor. I'll be keeping an eye out for it...I've only got those set (but I did get blasted before I turned off the "Home Feed" notifications
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
pretty cool
- Shevonne
If you're not using Gmail, Yahoo, or whatever, do you have to approve each time you post something?
- Tom Landini
What happened to the stats page that was with the old interface?
- Russ Jackson
this is a gr8 feature..
- Amit
Tom: yes, for now, but stay tuned for improvements.
- Tudor Bosman
Thanks Tudor.
- Tom Landini
Not seeing IM posts to @me going thru. :( This makes me a sad panda.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Added another mail to stream via cellphone, but confirmation reply never came in, a bug maybe?
- Nir Ben Yona
great stuff! i mean ..stuFF .... thanks! ..you are the befft ! .. and will be even beffer .. Im quite sure about that .. LoFFe all the new ffeatures. ! ......... do you think to enable also x@ff.im? it might be handy, save typing
- Petr Buben
AND you guys successfully omitted email signatures from DMs and posts!
- Mona Nomura
is that new Mona? The last DM I sent via email included my signature. (was a few days ago)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
is there email notifications for groups?? i know you can post to groups via email, but i dont see the way to turn on emails out of groups.
- Frankie Warren
So that means no more using the remote key in the email address? That's SWEET.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Frankie—Not yet. For now you can add the groups you'd like to receive notifications for to a friend list and enable email notifications for that list.
- Dan Hsiao
Dan: Thanks for the work around... I hope a more intuitive method eventually shows up :)
- Frankie Warren
Sweet!
- TheHenry
Hey everyone reading this on Twitter - come join the party on Friendfeed :)
- Phill Price
I leave for a few hours and FF Co. goes and WINs all over the place. Can't leave you alone for a second :)
- grant fox
Mona, Rob: we tweaked the email signature detection code a bit, and should get rid of the default signatures from iPhone, Blackberry, and WinMo phones, as well as small variations (HI MONA). If you want to ensure that your signature gets dropped, configure the signature to include "-- " (two dashes and a space) on a line by itself before the actual signature text.
- Tudor Bosman
Bret, it looks good, liking the new email and IM features. I've still got a huge suggestions and bug list. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Grant, I went off to watch a rare bit of TV then come back to all this! LOL. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
The notifications rock ! Great work !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
wow, this is very impressive
- Peter Efland
I could not post via email, because I guess I never confirmed my email address. I updated my email with the same one and clicked on the link that was subsequently sent to me. Now posts via email work.
- Chip Ramsey
Is old interface via mail2ff going anywhere? I'd like to continue authorizing my posts with remotekey.
- Alex Kapranoff
Alex: mail2ff will continue to work
- Bret Taylor
Ryo -- is your gmail address in your ff list of email addresses?
- Brian Sullivan
Ryo: That may be the same thing that was happening to me. Did you try to add the same email address again? It should fire a confirmation email that provides a link. After I clicked the link, I was then able to send posts via my email.
- Chip Ramsey
Ryo: BTW, I'm also on gmail and everything works fine now, so gmail itself probably is not the problem.
- Chip Ramsey
Nice... I will update my contact list asap! Feature heaven...mmmm
- Susan Beebe
Any word on getting other mail addresses to only need authorization once? Have to approve my emails from my cell phone every time is a royal pita!! Pretty please make att.net a single-authorization mail????? Especially since it's an authorized address!!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So should we replace the old <username>+plaza360demos@mail2ff.com with share@friendfeed.com ?
- scott willeke
No-one Reads Your Stupid Tweets t-shirt ($21) - http://rumplo.com/tees...
Darren Heydon, Didier Lahely, Louis Gray and 209 other people liked this
A+++... I tweeted this.
- Phil Essing
Want.
- Joel Webber
i need to wear this to remind me of my own insignificance
- Cee Bee
good. and maybe our g.o.v. also agree of this, so they just blocked the Twitter site.
- yagami
Pretty funny! And in most cases, pretty true.
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
I want a shirt that asks "if your followers are so loyal why don't you leave twitter?"
- Noah David Simon
Gotta tweet this :)
- Stephanie Segel
Two things strike me as amusing about this. 1) The fact that so many of us liked this entry (and, by extension, undoubtedly like the shirt). 2) The probability that many of us actually still use Twitter, conscious of the fact that practically no one really cares what we tweet :D
- Adam Lasnik
it could've been funnier if there was an another line of text => 'about 1 minute ago from txt in reply to @aplusk'
- Ozan Caglargil
Hi Jess, thank you for spreading the word about my cheeky t-shirt design ! If you'd like me to send you one just message me !
- Tweet Tees
WANT.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+10 Ozan!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
yes, finally somebody says it!
- Jacob
Dinner Tonight: Pasta with Tuna, Arugula, and Chili | Serious Eats : Recipes - http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes...
Elizabeth, Helen Sventitsky and ha3rvey (sup homepants) liked this
"I've written about tuna with pasta before, with a somewhat similar recipe from Saveur magazine. This recipe uses the same technique of pasta water to achieve a creamy texture. But the addition of spicy arugula here, suggested by an old online article I found in the San Franscisco Chronicle, proved to be a development worth writing about. I took a cue from a number of comments on the last tuna pasta post to add a squeeze of lemon juice, a nice touch of brightness that tied the whole thing together."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
The original sausage cheese biscuit. Scone. Biscuit. Whatever. | King Arthur Flour - Bakers’ Banter - http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009...
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Elizabeth, Mahdi Ebrahimi, Brett Kelly and 2 other people liked this
"But what about regular full-fat (but not ultra-high-fat) cheese? Like extra-sharp cheddar, or Asiago? You don’t want to overdo, quantity-wise. But their assertive flavors make them the perfect “baking condiment”—a delicious enhancement to savory muffins, biscuits, or breads. A shower of Parmesan atop hot focaccia isn’t going to bring the nutrition police to your door; but oh, what a happy burst of flavor it adds to that bread! The following biscuits—a.k.a. scones—are a great example of cheese as condiment. With just 1/5 of an ounce of cheese per serving, these are well within what your diet can handle. Even the sausage (less than 1 ounce per serving) isn’t a deal-breaker. And their flavor is out of this world."
- Katy S
from Bookmarklet
Damn.
- Derrick
Yep. My mom once made a bisquix biscuit recipe that had ham and cheese, but this looks so much better.
- Katy S
Department of awful statistics - Megan McArdle - http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archive...
\/\/\/ ...загуголина, Nicholas James, Gordon Saunders and 93 other people liked this
"Every time you find yourself saying that there must be some causal relationship between two strongly correlated variables, you should go back and look at this graph"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Clearly, the consumption of fresh lemons from Mexico makes people in the US better drivers.
- Brian Chang
Q.E.D.!
- Frank Jurden
Brian: in your example wouldn't lemon consumption be a third variable causing the two to be correlated? :)
- Frankie Warren
True! I forgot that lemons might be imported for purposes other than consumption. Lemon Scent Pine-Sol, perhaps.
- Brian Chang
No, you've got it backwards. The decreasing fatality rate has made it cheaper to insure truck drivers, lowering the cost of importing lemons.
- Jim Norris
On a related note, does 50 Likes on this graph mean that Bret's friend love math? Well, I guess it just means he has 11,000 followers.
- j1m
@Jim, nice.
- j1m
@Peng Given recent events re:pirates I've been predicting a reversal to the global warming trend.
- James Macgill
The problem with statistics - simplify enough, ignore enough variables and pick your measurements well, and you can get patterns where none exist. And it happens in policy making every month, I fear! MORE LEMONS!!!!!!!!!!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"Bloggers need us. Google needs us. Radio talk shows need us. Conservatives who hate the allegedly liberal press need us." http://www.baltimoresun.com/news...
Elizabeth, mjc, Mark Essel and Bora Zivkovic liked this
Since when Journalism=Newspapers? I thought it was medium-agnostic, silly me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I enjoy news, I just don't pay for much of anything online when I can get it free (and most of my free moments are spent catching up on my blog feeds). Any news delivery site/company that's free will obsolete any charging sites
- Mark Essel
for anything online to be behind a paywall and for me to decide to pay for it, it has to be a) absolutely unique (impossible to find elsewhere, extremely difficult to pirate, etc.) and b) absolutely useful to me personally, even if it is just enjoyment. http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Newspapers are self-important.
- Robert Hafer
Trekkie in chief wants screening - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
Elizabeth and Laura Norvig liked this
"President Barack Obama gets hailed by supporters as a transformational, visionary leader. But can he boldly go where no man has gone before? Possibly: POLITICO hears from several sources that the President has asked Paramount Pictures for his own screening of the new "Star Trek" film in the White House. The White House request could just be an attempt by the president to stay on top of pop culture by watching this box office bonanza — but could there be more to it? Consider: Comparisons between the enigmatic president and "Star Trek’s" Mr. Spock have become a media meme of late. Salon: “Obama Is Spock: It’s Quite Logical” Newsweek: “Spock’s cool, analytical nature feels more fascinating and topical than ever now that we’ve put a sort of Vulcan in the White House.” There’s even an Obama “Spock” action figure..."
- WorldofHiglet
from Bookmarklet
Hadn't heard of people drawing that connection before but it totally fits. Most important similarity?: they are both really hot.
- Laura Norvig
:) Laura, true, also!
- WorldofHiglet
Smoked Salmon, Dill, and Goat Cheese Quiche Recipe | Simply Recipes - http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes...
Brent - Loving Life, Sumit Chachra, Food Network Canada and 12 other people liked this
"One of my favorite recipes on this site is the smoked salmon and goat cheese toasts; I just love the blending of flavors of the herbed goat cheese, the salmon, and lemon zest on crunchy buttered toasts. When trying to come up with a good quiche to serve for a Mother's Day brunch, I spied some smoked salmon in the fridge and here you have it - an appetizer morphed into a custard. Fresh dill is added because, well, dill just tastes good with salmon. But feel free to use another favorite herb if dill's not your thing. For the filling, I followed Michael Ruhlman's basic ratio for quiche filling, which is essentially 1/2 cup of milk or cream for every large egg. This produces a delicate, creamy custard for your quiche. If you want something sturdier, feel free to add another egg. We like it as is. In fact, when I asked if my mother or father thought it could use another egg, I got a clear "it's perfect as it is, don't mess with it." High praise from those two!"
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
ohohohohoh!
- holly
And no cilantro, Holly. Just for you. :)
- Steven Perez
:D you are coming around, slowly but surely ;)
- holly
Wolfram Alpha Getting A Public Preview On Tuesday - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
diego morelli, yasin ghasemi, Matthew and 11 other people liked this
"When it was first unveiled in March, Wolfram Alpha, a new type of search engine created by computer scientist Stephen Wolfram, got a lot of buzz. Naturally, some people threw out the “Google killer” title — but it seems to be a different beast, as it’s all about knowledge search. That is to say, you ask a question, and you get an answer — with Google, you ask a question and you get a link to a bunch of documents. That may sound a bit bland, and simplistic, but the select few who have seen it, seem to think it works really well and could be a game changer."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Will be interesting to see how this one works in practice.
- Erik Gulliksen
Ahh...I wish I had a dime for all of the 'would-be game-changer' search engines that have come and gone over the past 2...3...heck 5 years...
- Steve just Steve
Google's search results are all linear, one after the other, page after page, Vivisimo tried a different clustered approach, but that still doesnt work. People want the simplicity of the page-turner, sequential, top to bottom views but with additional features, such as save an URL to bookmarks from the results, save particular sets of search results, search only on specified pageranked pages, et al.. The custom search offers some of these functions but still that doesnt quite cut it enough.
- TrafficBug
I really hope this is actually as good as I've heard. It sounds truly incredible and hopefully will not be another Cuil.
- Devlin Dunsmore
lisa is cooking: Spicy Sicilian Chicken - http://lisaiscooking.blogspot.com/2009...
Elizabeth, Noosha, Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF and Derrick liked this
Yes, please.
- Derrick
Dinner Tonight: Sauerkraut and Sausage Paprikash | Serious Eats : Recipes - http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes...
Laura Norvig and Elizabeth liked this
"This dish began at the grocery store, where I kept walking by displays of prepared sauerkraut and started figuring out ways to use them. In the local markets here in Estonia, old woman hock huge tubs of the stuff, home-fermented and incredibly fresh. Initially I was looking for a quick choucroute garnie-style meal with various sausages (I'm still on the lookout for that recipe, though this version by Serious Eater Kerry Saretsky is very tempting) but went with a paprikash-style stew from Simply Recipes instead."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
The Merlin Menu: Parmesan Chicken Piccata - http://themerlinmenu.blogspot.com/2009...
Derrick, Amani, Elizabeth and 5 other people liked this
I found one. Yessssss ... tomorrow dinner for sure.
- Amani
Editorial Page editor, New York Times: "I think it is the task of bloggers to catch up to us, not the other way around." http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Mike Elliott, Frode Stenstrøm, Peter Efland and 28 other people liked this
Catch up to what? Expertise?
- Bora Zivkovic
LOL Where Rosenthal is coming from he states explicitly: "Yes, we sometimes take positions on issues that have not been reported in the news pages. Those editorials are based on our own enterprise reporting." Problem is, some bloggers have the same access and have no problem reporting on things the Times decides isn't newsworthy. When more bloggers pick up on it, it forces their hand. They either have to admit to sitting on a story or admit to not following up on a thread. Either way, they lookout of touch.
- Admiral Anika
I actually agree with them. Bloggers are very unprofessional. They do a great job of coverage and monetizing the web, but the content is usually amateurish. I would much prefer NY Times reporter blogging than a blogger in a newspaper, if you see what I mean.
- Andrew
Andrew, are you reading the right bloggers, the people who have real life expertise in the topic they write about, e.g., legal scholars, scientists, physicians? Journos may be (sometimes) better at constructing English sentences, but cannot come close to real expertise on the topic unless they spent decades studying it.
- Bora Zivkovic
Have you read the New York Times? With some of their inaccuracies I'd rather read nearly any blog - though I certainly wouldn't lump all blogs together.
- Richard Lawler
And even then (journos who spent decades studying a topic and are thus quite expert themselves), they are forced by editors to conform to journalistic traditions of form, that often render the expertise moot (as in: false equivalence when none really exists)
- Bora Zivkovic
Bora - I don't know if I am reading the right ones or not, but I'm usually reading quite a few of them. It's not just the english that I don't like (though it can be pretty bad), it's the gimmickiness of a lot of it. And the embracing of silly buzzwords. I just think that a NY Times writer wouldn't go that route.
- Andrew
What Rosenthal meant is that the blogosphere has to catch up with Bob Herbert, Maureen Dowd, Gail Collins, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman and the New York Times editorials, rather than the New York Times opinion writers having to catch up with the blogosphere. The superiority of the New York Times reporters has nothing to do with it.
- Jay Rosen
This is quite silly. Opinion writing that good is ubiquitous.
- j1m
You mean 'keep up" with those? They produce so much crap that bloggers (with day jobs) have to debunk every day. ;-) And for Andrew and language - read this, think and learn: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Did you read Dowd's last column. I got the impression she was finally getting a little glimpse at the real picture -- but only because they're fixated on Google and can't see that it's just a search engine. It's like thinking the value in the NY Times is in its index. Sure *some* of the value is there. But even more of the value is in the sources.
- Dave Winer
To put a finer point on it, while other readers might value each of the Times opinion writers differently, I -- and I suspect most of us -- have multiple friends whose expressed opinions are more worth listening to than those of Herbert, Collins, Brooks, Dowd (obviously), and even Friedman. This is commodity-quality opinion writing, and detailed opinions of high quality are available from literally millions of Americans.
- j1m
What he's really saying is: the bloggers have to catch up to us because... we have elite credentials and reporting experience. "Our board is staffed with people with a wide and deep range of knowledge on many subjects. Phil Boffey, for example, has decades of science and medical writing under his belt and often writes on those issues for us. Robert Semple, similarly, is a Pulitzer...
more...
- Jay Rosen
that is a silly statement. good writers are good writers, the platform is irrelevant.
- Adam Singer
Sure, but why are we never reading (or even recognizing the names) of these? What are the expertise of Dowd and Brooks apart from bloviating? Why are they famous and get all that print real-estate instead of NYT expert writers who nobody ever heard of?
- Bora Zivkovic
let's also not forget that they never, ever link to anyone outside their online walls :)
- Valeria Maltoni
Here is what Rosenthal says he looks for in an op ed columnist: http://tr.im/jbXW
- Jay Rosen
they wrote: "It’s a lot easier to do online, where there’s lots of room and it is much easier for people to come and go. Giving someone a regular spot on the print Op-Ed page is another thing entirely." because it is printed? i don't understand how words or content magically changes if you print it. these guys think that printing something somehow makes it more important or valid...logically that makes no sense.
- Adam Singer
Andrew, I don't know what topic you focus on, but for my reading of blogs (political-liberal, african-american, women's issues, LGBT issues) most of the bloggers I read are former journalists like myself. I agree whole-heartedly with Adam. The platform is irrelevant from a reader's standpoint. It's these old media gatekeepers who have made it a battle between bloggers and MSM. Valeria makes a point. All of the bloggers I know, link to sources. The MSM will rip stories and test from bloggers with no link.
- Admiral Anika
Adam: I think he's saying: more has to go into it, because it has unique authority and expense and value to us. Not that print confers on it more authority, although it sounds that way.
- Jay Rosen
@Jay I disagree that it has unique authority and value. Just because they ship it to you on paper means nothing. The one thing it has is more expense. Print wins there. I guess if it makes them feel superior, great...but content is content. It's the message, not the medium. Again, from a logic standpoint (remove any emotion) words are words.
- Adam Singer
They are selling a brand. Not aware that their brand is falling speedily into disrepute because some other people have built new brands based on expertise, honesty, transparency, link-generosity and, yes, excellent command of language. And yes, paper is expensive real-estate: http://scienceblogs.com/clock... and yes, the whole bloggers vs. journalists trope is wrong: http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
Let me repeat what I said: I think he's saying: more has to go into it, because it has unique authority and expense and value to us, the New York Times. We spend more on it, so it better have unique authority, in other words.
- Jay Rosen
Yes, from their perspective, that is how they almost have to think.
- Bora Zivkovic
To ignore the topic again :) Anika - I don't read LGBT blogs. I typically read either tech or political blogs. Tech blogs tend to be buzzword laden and sensationalistic. Most of that has to do with the lack of actual goings on to talk about. The political blogs I seperate between two categories: Andrew Sullivan and the partisan folks. Andrew Sullivan is quality on every level. Everyone...
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- Andrew
Oh FOH. At least with blogs you generally get to see how much of what you just read was parroted from the original press release. It's incredibly rare that I read an article, specifically in the NYT, that contains "actual information."
- Richard Lawler
I guess if you mention "New York Times" that's just a big 'ol sign that says: dump on or defend the reporting of the New York Times thread.
- Jay Rosen
Jay, I see your point, but the face remains that those writers don't often adhere to high standards as their background would imply. These are opinion pieces, so they get away with playing fast and loose with facts for partisan reasons. They omit some things, linking a statement from "a senior official" to their final conclusion. They don't have to back up what they say because they know the editors and ombudsman will say, "These are op-eds." Otherwise, Dowd would have been put out of our misery years ago,
- Admiral Anika
I just meant Rosenthal is the editor of the opinion section; that's all. He has nothing to do with the reporting staff of the New York Times. Columnists who play fast and loose with facts, yes, that would be his domain. By the way, he also noted in the Q & A that columnists write their own headlines, a nice little fact.
- Jay Rosen
It's an interesting tack. One would think the EP editor would offer a defense of the value of institutional opinion, rather than puff up board members as the best gladiators in Thunderdome.
- gnarlytrombone
Catch up, it's like chasing wounded gazelle, sure it'll run for a while, but at certain point the blood loss just becomes too much. At this point new media could sit and watch old media bleed money tell it dies and not be the worse for wear. Except they are not. Its really an evolving system vs a static newspaper format. The bloggers are more knowledgeable (usually experts on the topic) and cheaper. For god sake I follow Karl Rove on twitter, who needs the opinion of journalist, when you can get thesource
- Adam B
What's interesting about it, to me, is that Rosenthal works in the one area of mainstream journalism most affected by competition and criticism from bloggers, especially sources going direct. And rather than admit any of that. he just goes the opposite way.
- Jay Rosen
The other thing to note here is that, if I read Rosenthal correctly, he's not even talking about any of the op-ed columnists, he's talking exclusively about the editorial board -- the gang of garlanded pros who write the unsigned editorials. So not only is there one internal institutional line, between "news" and "editorial/opinion", that the public is supposed to be able to find on its...
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- Scott Rosenberg
How many Americans are more qualified to serve as The New York Times editorial page editor than Andrew Rosenthal? How many Americans are more qualifed to serve as The New York Times chairman of the board than Arthur Sulzberger Jr? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? Why would anyone take anything Andrew Rosenthal says seriously? If Rosenthal and Sulzberger penned blogs, would anyone read them?
- Sean McBride
I don't understand - is Jay defending them or not?
- Denise Young
No, I am not defending Andrew Rosenthal's statement about bloggers catching up to "us," the New York Times. I am simply asking why it is so hard to get across a simple factual statement. Here is it again, ready? Rosenthal is the editor of the editorial pages, the opinion section of the Times. He has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE REPORTERS OR THE REPORTING STAFF. And so his statement--which is well worth arguing about--does not apply to reporters at the New York Times. Too complicated?
- Jay Rosen
Thanks, Jay. But why should bloggers catch up to flack-activated stuff? Odd.
- Denise Young
Andrew Rosenthal and the decline and fall of The New York Times: topics: A.M. Rosenthal, Arthur Sulzberger Jr., David Brooks, ethnic cronyism, Iraq War, Judith Miller, Likud Zionism, mediocrity, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, NEPOTISM (make that caps), Thomas Friedman, William Kristol, William Safire. Put another way: Google: Brin/Page, meritocracy, competition, talent, success; The...
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- Sean McBride
Two facts that might be of interest: Arthur Sulzberger Jr. earned a B.A. in Political Science from Tufts University. Andrew Rosenthal earned a B.A. in American History from University of Denver. When they try to lecture leading-edge minds with doctorates from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Oxford and other leading universities on anything (including politics, and technology especially),...
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- Sean McBride
Thinking more about this, it seems that one mistake Andrew Rosenthal makes is this: He assumes that having a huge reputation as the brand name in authoritative and upper crust news CAN ONLY BE GOOD for truthtelling when this is not so. It can create a reluctance to go out a limb, a wiilingness to stay within bounds. Krugman has a Nobel Prize, another career, and an equally elite institution in Princeton to accredit him, so he is an exception. If Rosenthal recognized this, it would help him do his job.
- Jay Rosen
Given current technology trends, will The New York Times be offering anyone a job in the future (possibly the near future), not to mention a job to Andrew Rosenthal?
- Sean McBride
Perhaps the problem is with the fuzzy notion that in the nebulous world of opinion, one can reliably measure who is ahead of whom in matters that do not rest on fact, but, "in point of fact," upon the subjective core of informed discursive valuation, otherwise known as reasoned opinion.
- tom matrullo
I would be far more concerned if Rosenthal were arguing that the news awareness at the Times were "ahead" of others in the discursive universe. Any glance at the home page of the Times finds a jumble of motley, outdated, poorly thought-through, and under-contextualized snippets. The Times has failed to think what news is, let alone to race ahead of anyone else. But so long as he's merely taking on opinionaters, who really f'ing cares?
- tom matrullo
Oooh. Boundaries. That gets to the heart of it, methinks. It'd be fascinating to make an apples-to-apples comparison between an Ed Board's process and outcome on, say, the PPIP proposal and that of the econ bloggers (including The Krug). The latter is probably a lot less open participation- and idea-wise as we'd like to think, but still... Also, there's tremendous value in the messy, back-and-forth reasoning process that polished editorial end product simply can't capture.
- gnarlytrombone
A perfect example (from today) of why the best of the blogosphere is consistently well ahead of The New York Times on every conceivable issue of significance: Glenn Greenwald: Major scandal erupts involving Rep. Jane Harman, Alberto Gonzales and AIPAC http://www.salon.com/opinion... The Times is stumbling raggedly behind the big show.
- Sean McBride
As of this evening, there is still not a single word about the Jane Harman story on the New York Times or Washington Post sites. On the other hand, the blogosphere, Friendfeed, Twitter, etc. have been buzzing with the story. Is it any wonder that these dinosaurs are losing mindshare at such a rapid clip? Who really pays much attention to them anymore, especially among thought and opinion leaders? They are timid, slow and stodgy, always trying to play catch up but never succeeding. Good riddance.
- Sean McBride
hear, hear, Sean. Off with their heads.
- Denise Young
Donald Graham and Fred Hiatt have ruined The Washington Post: "Times Fronts AIPAC Story That Washington Post Ignores" (M.J. Rosenberg) http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009... "Of course, this should be the Washington Post's story. On Congress and lobbies, the Post tends to dominate the turf, with the Times breathing down its neck....
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- Sean McBride
I would love to see Andrew Rosenthal make a useful contribution to this discussion (not just here on Friendfeed; anywhere) -- ain't gonna happen. He's not up to it.
- Sean McBride
RT @buzzflash: NYT Shows Why Print is Dying: Blogs beat it to number of waterboards and it didn't post Jane Harman bombshell until Tuesday!about 6 hours ago from Tweetie http://twitter.com/pixelsr...
- Sean McBride
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"New research from the Pennington Biomedical Research Center and Louisiana State University shows the potential role of Extra(R) sugar-free gum in helping to control appetite, decrease calorie intake and reduce snack cravings." - found via M F.
- Kol Tregaskes
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Chocolate Caramel Tart - http://www.lottieanddoof.com/2009...
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"This recipe goes out to all of you chocolate lovers—don’t say I never did anything for you. This chocolate and caramel tart has provided me with a bit of an adventure, nerd-style. You may recognize it from the cover of the current issue of Saveur which features it as part of a story on the beloved Marlow & Sons in Brooklyn. The tart looks beautiful, but I first come across the recipe a while back in Diner Journal, the quarterly culinary publication by the folks that own Diner and Marlow & Sons. If you haven’t already checked out Diner Journal, please do. It is such a beautiful publication, beautiful and inspiring."
- Derrick
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The missing service icon problem goes from minor annoyance to major problem if one creates a feed just to aggregate content to keep it from cluttering the home feed. So now I have a whole feed with the same avatar on every entry. Makes everything into mush.
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I don't really understand how it is a "major problem" does the source of the content mean that much? What value do the icons really provide? I actually like the icons for curiosity sake; but I honestly don't see the problem
- Bill Rawlinson
Bill, the source of the content DOES matter a great deal. Delicious bookmarks and shared items from Google Reader are things to read, Youtube favorites are things to watch, but not while at work, last.fm entries are things to skip, RSS feed items are often bookmarks from a friend's reference manager and worth a second look, and I generally hide twitter entries. The icon tells you what kind of content the item is, indicates whether or not expanding the "X more like this", and is essential for browsing.
- Mr. Gunn
The missing icons are probably the biggest complaint about the beta. Numerous people have indicated that they use them as visual cues, for example as Mr. Gunn describes. For me, FriendFeed has always been about information first, then people. I care more about the information source than who posted it. The beta seems like an attempt to reverse this and I think it is deeply wrong.
- Neil Saunders
The new look also says to me "we aggregated these items, but now we don't care where they came from - it's all FriendFeed now". All your services are belong to us. Again, just seems wrong to me.
- Neil Saunders
What Neil said. Bill, it's not so much the _source_ of the content that matters, but favicons provided an instant visual cue as to the nature and importance of information. And they were really good for that purpose.
- Goran Zec
Bill, the screenshot is from a "draft" feed I set up for my own use (mostly to keep stuff from cluttering the main feed), so it IS important to me to know whence the items came. Also, the way my eyes work, the only thing I see on a page like this are the avatars and the bold blue text. Everything else is rendered more or less invisible. @Neil, I agree. And I don't see why those two purposes -- content and conversation -- can't be brought more into balance.
- Rebecca
A new design for FriendFeed at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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- Peter
cool，不过抄袭中国某个东西很严重，哈哈
- chenhui tan
谭总，咱们低调点，哈哈
- freebat
It's different alright... I like how the comments appear, but what if there's 100 comments and they're long?
- Tarmo Aidantausta
哈哈
- chenhui tan
it's nice and clean, the grey background should be lighter, not that dark, all the rest is fine for me. good work guys
- Dorian Tireli
I like new design. It better shows the original post, it is more readable. User icons instead of service icon also provide more information. Not sure about those colors and gray background - don't think they should be so vivid.
- Kirill Maximov
Where are groups? Gone? Sorry to hear your users can only comment on colors. Pretty shallow.
- Antonio Piccolboni
great, but real time as default on the home feed annoyed me into checking my email
- Amber, Random Time Lord
It isn't about featers. There are features enough. It's about look and feel. And that is worse in this beta.
- Peter
love it. live is great.
- Tobias W.
filters are great! abonnements should be separated (e.g. with a line) between the former rooms and the friends. And I would prefer knowing from which service the post comes since I don't read twitter feeds from people I follow on twitter.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
and the fly-over-window with the services one imports to FF should include the "unfollow" button as it was in the old version.
- Stefan Leitner-Sidl
I like the look and feel but miss the popular groups etc... there is no real way to track where the group "action" is that I have found and would hate to see a step back in the group area. Will there be something similar? Is there already and I can't find it?
- Allison
The biggest drawback of the new UI is that it facebookishly emphasizes *who* shared something. As I see it, FriendFeed is about *what* is being shared -- as opposed to other social networks, content is what usually sets the tone of discussion on FF, not sender. The angle is what makes a difference, and that angle is somehow changed in the new UI. New features are great.
- Ognjen Strpić
don't like. it's not friendfeed now, it's another thing
- Luca Di Ciaccio
Maybe you guys can add a way to invite imaginary friends to FriendFeed. Some may be on Twitter or other social networks that have contact information which can be drawn into a mass contact mechanism to send them invites. Just an idea that occurred to me today.
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View your FriendFeed in real-time - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
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Friend Feed Real Time is great, I love it.
- Tom
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