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Another interesting music tidbit: I used to love the Indigo Girls and I kind of lost interest about 5 years ago. And now I think it's because their earlier albums were so much better.
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It's interesting, the perspective that comes with time. Though I tend to like many artists' earlier works better than later stuff.
- LogEx
Elisabeth didn't think that Glee could live up to its hype, but it TOTALLY did.
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Robert Scoble on the Future of FriendFeed - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That’s always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I’ve lost a great deal of interest in it. – Robert Scoble
- Thomas Hawk
After sleeping on the acquisition news I have two thoughts. 1. Maybe, just maybe, enough of the really good FriendFeed features will somehow make their way into Facebook and Facebook will actually get tolerable enough to use. Actually I’m not optimistic, but I will begin spending more time and using Facebook more because of this. I logged on yesterday for the first time in a while and...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - agree with you on focusing on who (people/your company) and not what (network). I posted my thoughts about the conversations here and what it means for individuals and organizations today http://www.conversationagent.com/2009...
- Valeria Maltoni
Maybe FB folks will read these comments and think about keeping FF. Have they heard about segmenting the market?
- Leigh Marriner
Leigh, unfortunately the community of FF users is likely of zero concern to Facebook at all. We are a drop in their proverbial bucket. They probably could care less if we all went away. Facebook has no time to deal with some piddly little one million user community like FF when they've got hundreds of million to serve and need to compete against much larger entities. What remains is a void and I wonder if some talented engineer somewhere might be able to come up with something compelling.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas +1 In fact, +10.
- Andy C
Friendfeed got me to question the way I interact with the web.. one place for my content and conversations, leverage known experts to search through the crap, combined with a flexible open platform that can quickly morphed/integrated into various shapes/forms. After my trip (http://ff.im/4gfo2) I'm starting from scratch.. so I'm looking at friendfeed and asking what CAN'T it to for me?...
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- Chris Myles
The problem with Robert's quote is all the so-called cool and successful products and services now, are built on the backs of so-called failures. In the fullness of time, all technologies could be considered failures as they are supplanted by newer technologies and companies. Switching back and forth between different services as small bits of information flow in doesn't make you a long range predictor, it makes you a weathervane.
- Cristo
I know FF might not be the most popular place for this now, but I <3 Cristo!
- Clare Dibble
:)
- Cristo
This just makes me sad. FF is still the best option out there, and though it is no longer a "will be", there's no other good replacement for it right now. FB certainly isn't. Twitter isn't. Posterous isn't... If Robert called for someone to recreate FF (and improve on it) he probably has the influence to make it happen, mold it even more toward his ideal. But instead, just wiping his...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
FF set a benchmark for how to use the streams of the internet in an open and social way. Paul and Bret along with the awesome FF team demonstrated and inspired the use of communication technologies that gave us a paradigm shift a kin to Ward Cunningham's 'Edit' function (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) which gave birth to the wiki ideology. They invented something that we...
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- zeroinfluencer
If you don't know who Ward is: http://www.aboutus.org/Ward_Cu...
- zeroinfluencer
Oh, I wrote a blog post a while back, covering some of this thinking about using design to invent. http://zeroinfluence.wordpress.com/2008...
- zeroinfluencer
I recently saw something about the founder of delicious, who left for Google when Yahoo acquired delicious. It made me think that delicious is mostly the same as it was before Yahoo acquired it. There have been changes, but it is still a separate entity, with its own domain name and logo. Maybe this could work for facebook + friendfeed too.
- Robert Felty
Robert: yes. I don't sense that FriendFeed will be turned off. That would be pretty stupid. But it will be interesting to see what happens to it and how they integrate it into Facebook itself. Unfortunately FriendFeed's systems were built to handle a few million people, not hundreds of millions of people, so it would probably need significant work to integrate it into Facebook. I hope to learn more soon from both teams about what will happen.
- Robert Scoble
I was just catching up on exactly what Google Wave is, and I honestly think it has the potential of replacing nearly all our collaborative communication needs, even sites like FF. It seems crazy, but I often think about the digtial communication systems of the past (email, forums, IM) and how they never really went away, but they kept giving way to something 'new' that did certain things better but other things worse.
- Ben Reierson
WAVE seems to do pretty much everything that all those past systems did, AND it has the real-time aspects of FF. All you'd need to do is add in the aggregation bit, and you're there. I love the idea of having ONE place for all my communications. No longer would I need outlook + FF + IM + Twitter. I could just have various groups of waves, all of them 'alive' with data.
- Ben Reierson
I think Wave has lots of potential too. I got to play with it briefly and it was pretty confusing to use (though it also seemed to be encountering bugs when I was using it which contributed to the confusion). I think it or something like it will eventually replace the standards we use for online communication but it will be a learning curve, definitely. Also, it will need some means of discovery... FriendFeed's FoaF does a great job of finding me people with similar interests.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think Wave has lots of potential too. I got to play with it briefly and it was pretty confusing to use (though it also seemed to be encountering bugs when I was using it which contributed to the confusion). I think it or something like it will eventually replace the standards we use for online communication but it will be a learning curve, definitely. Also, it will need some means of discovery... FriendFeed's FoaF does a great job of finding me people with similar interests.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I like all the ideas I'm hearing here. I was absolutely blown away by the Wave demo, and Building 43 seems like a very logical home for any FF replacement. Then, of course, there's the clone that Akiva says some friends of his are working on . . .
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
RT @kanter: Dare Colbert http://www.momentumconference.org/colbert #tidesmomentum - watch the video, sign the petition .. really well done!
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RT @kdando: in an interview w/ @tavissmiley Twitter's @biz talks about its service attacks last week. (YouTube clip) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Fwd: Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996... (via http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...)
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Well that was fast, Robert.
- Adam Reyher
Wow. I honestly did not see THAT coming....
- Carter Rabasa
Nice work Robert.
- Alex Calic
ya talk about real time news, thanks
- sean percival
listening
- Chris Saad
This is beginning to resemble journalism.
- Ian Tindale
im not sure its such a great thing facebook and friendfeed sitting in a tree.
- Eran Even-Kesef
Good job Robert
- Ruchit Garg
Definitely, I'm listening now. Wow! This is breaking news!
- Manu Ullas
hopefully this turns out okay, don't want friendfeed to get ruined. great interview, that was fast reporting!
- Dakota O'Neill
What are your thoughts Robert?
- Amani
WD mate
- Chris Saad
Hoping this will lead to an improved/cleaner interface for Facebook...I prefer Friendfeed
- Rick Bucich
That was quick. Thanks robert.
- Akshay Dodeja
so, so sad. I like(d) Friendfeed much more than facebook
- Francisco Kemeny
home run for FF.. Facebook will be able to give developers a treasure trove of data one thing that Twitter is dominating on right now. Twitter has a huge developer community but isn't managing that. Here FB is poised to be huge
- John Furrier
So classic that Robert has the first interview about this...Where's Louis? :)
- Anthony Farrior
Wow!
- Ideas At Random
I think FriendFeed can help Facebook more than the other way around.
- Manu Ullas
"very cool...."
- Carter Rabasa
How do they plan to mix the teenagers with the geeks?
- Jordi Soler
Amani: I am excited! Facebook has 800 employees and 300 million users. This makes both companies much more important.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
here was a comment on SiliconANGLE blog .. very funny .. "Hey, since we've copied almost every innovation you've had, guess you might as well play on the company softball team!"
- John Furrier
Nice strategic move - Interesting to see how this will integrate and looks in 12 months
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
to be honnest I was predicting google offer, then facebook preceed google on this, they are doing well, now rarding FF this is great, the sucess is to know when to pass to something else, the future will make the abtle wave, facebook rude for all geek it is time to code.
- abdellah
You rascal Robert, bet you had wind about FriendFeed and FaceBook merger before today? Yes? Have not used either SM apps. much UNTIL Twitter locked my account. May have been a fortunate mishap as it turns out. Getting to know the beauties of both apps. =)
- SashaKane
Awesome. Thanks.
- M. Kong
Should be so very interesting.
- Adam
Robert wastes no time on the reporting. CNN needs reporters like this.
- JonInteractive
Not sure I am so jazzed about it....but congratulations to the FF crew.
- Kreg Steppe
Honestly, I won't get used to following Robert Scoble in Facebook. Seems out of place to me.
- Jordi Soler
Wow! I was not expecting that.
- Devon Govett
Letter 'F' affinity and alliteration merger, classic playbook move.
- James Watters
Did I hear someone laugh in the background when you asked about FF users being disappointed?
- Paul Saarinen
Agreed Jordi
- Rick Bucich
A good interview Robert.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks Robert! - shared and linked over on Phreadz : http://tech.phreadz.com/v...
- kosso
Robert, mind if I transcribe this? (Unless someone else already has.)
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Congrats on getting this story Robert. I agree--this is great, realtime journalism!
- Sunshine
No mention of twitter?
- Ivan Kirigin
Hahahaha...all that time you invested over here on FF paid off today! LMAO
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: just watch what happens now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
do you have a small amount of FriendFeed shares Robert?
- Torsten Eckert
NOOOOOOO. Damnit! I am praying that Facebook doesn't wall up Friendfeed. I was starting to build a site around Friendfeed :(
- beersage
beersage: as Facebook is trying to break their users into a more public world, I doubt that you really have anything to worry about there.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Starting to listen to this now. Hoping you are right, Rob.
- beersage
I hope so to. But regardless, I think that it was in reality necessary for FriendFeed to sell to really put the technology in front of a sufficient number of eyeballs. Facebook is probably the best acquirer that FriendFeed could have. (I would have not felt the same had FF been acquired by Google)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The thing with Friendfeed though is how I can share things outside of a 'wall.' I prominently feature the FF widget on my site. I'm just concerned of losing that capability as I was tinkering with delivering a new site w/ content primarily running through my Friendfeed account. I am to this day unable to do much outside of the wall. I am unable to subscribe to Fan Page updates in Google reader for instance. That is what concerns me about FB acquiring FF given my goals.
- beersage
Robert sounded quite breathless in that interview. Thanks Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Great interview great Job!!
- Kevin J Hatton
Wow! I'm in shock. I can't wait to hear this interview.
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
This deal was about getting Paul and the team and nothing else
- Stephen Pickering
@stephan, are you serious? FB is buying a concept, a technoloie, a structure, a content and a user list
- abdellah
now how could a team that left google resist under a unique perception system, where the leader vision is upon any thing
- abdellah
Unconvincing Paul Buchheit, the team is more exited of being part of bigger story - logical for them to move on
- patrickdh
They want a way to turn their white pages into a yellow pages and the only guy on Earth who knows how to do it, is Paul
- Stephen Pickering
It was only about the technology and the people. Most people are on also FB anyway.
- James Myatt
My guess is that Paul got a tooooooooon of options and will soon be the No.2 guy at Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Glossing over of that "short term" question by the FF boys. It just seems more about the individuals at FF than it does the users of FF. "Their (Facebook) long term goals" Nice interview, Robert!
- Melanie Reed
Well, it looks as if pass-through of FriendFeed Likes, Comments, etc. to Twitter is down. Will it be for good? Did Twitter do this in response to the acquisition? Or is it just a regular (though curiously timed) hiccup?
- Alex Schleber
twitter dow!!
- abdellah
Alex, my Facebook posts have been going through FriendFeed to Twitter today. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How did you record the phone conversation with Paul Buchheit? I went to BlogTalkRadio.com but... it‘s not clear at all :-(
- Florin Grozea
Florin, rough transcript here: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
I have a few choice words. @#%&. That is all.
- Zachary TG
To do this call I used BlogTalk Radio's Cinch: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/
- Robert Scoble
dugg: http://digg.com/tech_ne...
- Gaith
Thanks for this, Scoble.
- mp3WatchWorld
this is why your own personal website is always more important than friendfeed, Twitter and all the rest. that's never going anywhere
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
President #Obama, Jim Lehrer just wrapped up interview on #healthcare efforts, fixing economy. Full interview on tonight's @newshour.
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Dominic West reads Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen - The Carte Noire Readers - http://www.cartenoire.co.uk/pride-a...
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McNulty can read the classics to me any time. hubba hubba.
- Steph Beasley
RT @mattflener Sprinklers & Reporter: you won't be disappointed...http://vimeo.com/4965587 [Don't care who ya R...this is funny]
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Yahoo’s New Marketing Chief Elisa Steele Doesn’t Use Flickr and How This Signals That Yahoo Management Is Out of Step With Innovation - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Even worse than simply Bartz or Steele not using Flickr, a quick Flickr people search of the 12 current executives listed by Bloomberg for the company (Roy Bostock, Carol Bartz, David Filo, Jerry Yang, Blake J Jorgensen, Aristotle N Balogh, Elisa Steele, David Windley, Michael J Callahan, Venkat Panchapakesan, Hilary A Schneider, and Michael A Murray) shows that not a single one of these individuals carries any sort of significant presence on the site whatsoever. Now maybe Flickr is not the most profitable business unit at Yahoo. And maybe the $35 million or so that they bought it for is mere chump change for executives at a company like Yahoo. But Flickr nonetheless represents one of the most significant properties ever on the internet. Flickr breaks news. Flickr has some of the world’s most amazing art. Flickr represents the largest organized library of images in the world! That is something. And the fact that Yahoo executives, even in some small way, don’t really want to have anything to do with that is
- Thomas Hawk
I'm a big proponent of eating your own dog food. It gives you a much better perspective about what's right with it and what needs improvement. Imagine if Salesforce sales folks used Excel spreadsheets to track prospects.
- Hutch Carpenter
The thing with photos is that they are universal. Everyone has them. There is no reason why Yahoo execs ought not maintain accounts at Flickr. I think it would be good for them to not only maintain accounts there but to really delve deep into the site in order to figure out its innovation and how that might be applied to other Yahoo products and services. I think that was part of the original promise and idea when they bought Flickr in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, I'm not a flickr user, but I don't think I'm out of touch with innovation. I simply have no interesting pictures to share. My life in The Netherlands is very, very boring to others. I do my work is online. I think what matters is if she uses new tools in general. Does she blog? Does she use Delicious? Is she on FriendFeed?
- Meryn Stol
Meryn I think the answers to all of those are no, but I could be wrong.
- Thomas Hawk
I cannot agree with Niche Player more. I was ever so interested in Google picking up Flickr instead of Picasa. But I wonder if Flickr would then have been less social if it had? To me, Picasa seems cold and sterile. Enjoyed reading this greatly, Thomas.
- Todd Tripp
I've got an account on Picasa. I've never been able to get into it. It is cold and sterile because it lacks the social power that is Flickr. It's not a bad place to host and store images but it misses the power of social integration significantly.
- Thomas Hawk
I like PicasaWeb for sharing a group of pictures with lots of people from events...like my son's Scout Den, etc that I don't want to lump in with my Flickr stuff
- Kreg Steppe
I switched to Picasa from Flickr just because I use Picasas to manage my photos on my desktop. However, after just a few months, I felt lonely on Picasa and am now in the process of switching back to Flickr.
- Kyle Judkins
Out of step, out of step, just because everyone drinks from the same trough doesn't mean innovation has to go the same way. There are still millions of yahoo users. It's got a loyal fanbase and as a company it still has a lot of influence. Everyone, almost, uses flickr rather than picasa for example.
- Richard A.
Richard, "everyone" except for the 12 executives running Yahoo of course.
- Thomas Hawk
Richard, how can you analyse and assess how useful your products and services are if you're not using them yourself?
- Nicholas James
If I had a few million at hand, I would go and buy flickr from Yahoo, just to get it out of the hands of ppl who have no idea or interest in the true potential of images and what it can do for a generation
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Maybe Flickr (a western Canadian invention) should act more like a French Canadian and secede... or try to, anyway...
- Paula W
Why are you complaining when so many hundreds of thousands of people like the product?
- Richard A.
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How Would You Feel if Your Flickr Account Were Permanently Deleted? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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I would feel like giving Flickr people a good kick´n the nuts !!!
- Jose Villar
Wow, and they don't ask first?
- Jen Kuiper
Truly sad and disappointing.
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
How much will this bad publicity hurt them?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I haven't been a fan of Flickr since Yahoo made everyone use a Yahoo account to sign-in. They really need to take a look at how Google handled the YouTube integration. Now it seems they need to take a better look at how they handled their TOS too.
- Steven Cains
This reminds me as to why I need to grab a backup of my flickr account and also keep it backed up somewhere else, like zooomr. some of the photos on flickr are the only ones i've got after a drive crash...it shouldn't be zero sum, particularly with a Pro account. why couldn't they just lock it from public view and give her time to at least download her pics?
- Karoli
Rob, unfortunately not much I'm afraid. Flickr staff has over the past few years taken a holier than thou approach to almost every issue like this. It's been a sort of attitude of if you don't like it then leave. Flickr would do well to take these issues of censorship much more seriously. They are entrusted with one of the single most important online cultural jewels that exists today. It's unfortunate that they do not.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr is congenitally dumb. There are simple ways to handle these issues and they just dont seem to get it. I had a run in with Flickr recently and was not impressed with the way they handled it.
- Mel Buckpitt
best start using sommat else. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Karoli, I'm thinking the same thing. I have 2 years worth of photos on flickr, that I can not find on any of our harddrives. I'd hate to wake up one day to see they closed my account and all my kids baby pics are gone forever.
- Admiral Anika
Terrence on their staff is pretty much consistently one of the ones doing much of the censoring. If you even mention his name in the help forums you can be censored or banned. They call it finger pointing there.
- Thomas Hawk
this is fucked
- Darren Heydon
Hope she had everything backed up.
- Uncle CW™
Rob, using someone else isn't the answer. Rightly or wrongly the community today is largely at Flickr. It is also where the world's most significant organized collection of photos resides. I think pressure needs to be put on Flickr rather to change. To operate with more humility and to give much heavier thought into when such drastic action must be taken.
- Thomas Hawk
Pissed off
- Michael Fidler
I agree... but I meant...like a second place to store..like karoli did. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
And even if drastic action like account deletion must be taken I think Flickr owes it to it's users to back up the data before permanently deleting it and even allow the user and opportunity to get their content off of Flickr's servers. They do not do this today. It's just delete and all of your photos, contacts, comments, faves, etc. are gone.
- Thomas Hawk
using someone else isn't the answer, but redundancy never hurts. i use flickr for the community and also for a place other than my hard drive to store photos. There really isn't an excuse for Flickr to delete those photos with no pathway for me to recover them.
- Karoli
I'd be livid
- RAPatton
Ya know as a SYS Admin, I always disable a offending account first before deleting. Never know when there will be "Evidence" needed at a later date. If the issue is resolved then the account can be reinstated without loss of data. Deletion is a crap policy for any company or SYS Admin.
- Uncle CW™
Karoli, indeed, redundancy is very important. Personally I'm not so concerned about all of my own images. I've got them all backed up. But a lot of other people do not. But my own stream has thousands and thousands of community comments on my photos that are emotionally very significant to me. I can't actually see Flickr deleting my account but it would kill me if I lost them and it pains me to see them do it to other people.
- Thomas Hawk
Also why not just take off line the "questionable" pictures? All this smells poorly of Over Moderation which is rampant on the web now a days.
- Uncle CW™
you use firefox? if so..grab the "scrapbook" add on... the you can capture whole pages. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'd be angry, and probably never use them as a host again, certainly never get another paid account.
- Grant Bierman
This is really sad, especially for a paid Pro service and for something there is no undo. I am using a flickr group so my blog readers can showcase their pictures, maybe I should start looking for alternatives to flickr. This is such a horrible way to treat paying customers.
- 1001 noisy cameras
I would be really really angry. This really sucks. But I just can't believe that the files "went away". If the government came in and seized someone's Flickr account that had been "deleted", you can be sure that they would be able to "dig" those pictures up.
- Laura Zickus
Thomas is right, pressure needs to be put on Flickr to do the right thing. By pressure I mean Arrington, Laporte, Pirillo, Belmont, Scoble et al, those who are among us and have a pulpit to preach. We're their consumers and they our adovocates/protectors
- Matthew DeVries
yeah lets see what sort of influence they have then :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes it sucks to lose all of the comments (I'm sure she has all of the images) but perhaps she should build her own website and do whatever she wants to there.
- Mattb4rd
why it is so important to have own space or somewhere you OWN.. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
certainly flickr had every opportunity to try to tell a different side to this story, but instead they just referred to the woman who'd lost her account as the "offended party" OP and locked the thread effectively killing any sort of conversation or protest over this action. Sadly this happens frequently there with no repercussions whatsoever.
- Thomas Hawk
I would be a little miffed, but since I don't have alot up there, I wouldn't be too peeved.
- Christian (Simply X)
In the light of this disgraceful situation, is there any way to download a complete backup of all of one's Flickr metadata? Especially comments, keywords and geodata? This should be accessible to 3rd party apps, correct?
- Neil Creek
use firefox scrapbook add on.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Neil, I'm not sure the API allows you to export things like faves and comments. I'd doubt that it does.
- Thomas Hawk
that scrapbook captures everything...as a page.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would be taking a flight to Flickr HQ and prolly get freaky on someone ...
- johnpiercy
from twhirl
Rob, that's a cumbersome and time consuming way to do things when one might have hundreds of photos on Flickr. Not to mention wasteful, when all the other guff unassociated with the image would get captured as well. Geodata wouldn't be captured this way either.
- Neil Creek
why would it? can you not have a long page with lots of the pics on with all the comments on them? I dont and never have used flickr..so i dont know....just trying to help. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'd be happy if they deleted my account, but only if they gave me back a prorated amount of what I paid for it. I've gotten so many nasty and immature comments on my photos at flickr. I'm very tired of the vapid community there. Zooomr is way ahead in this department, if nothing else, but it's what matters most, to me anyway.
- Bill Scherer
OP generally means "original poster".
- Admiral Anika
Thanks for the suggestion Rob :) Unfortunately Flickr doesn't work that way.
- Neil Creek
sorry not a help. :o(
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would be so unbelievably pissed. So much time and work.
- Alex Carpenter
Flickr also deleted the account of Spanish National Treasure - Qwurky (aka David) of Barcelona. The Spanish version of Honoré Daumier, he is a wry observer of the human condition and a satirist who poked his sharpest Photoshop barbs at his own artful self-portraits.
- David Newman
Guess I should download a backup of my Flickr archive and not assume it's a good backup?
- sean808080
This is totally garbage. If you're a paid user, a Pro account holder, you are a paying customer. Deleting without warning, is just harsh. But again, don't use Flickr as a backup... you clearly want to use it as a showcase, and it shouldn't be the only place your images are kept...
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I'd be livid!
- Jeff P. Henderson
"I think the best solution is host your own version of Flickr then you can't be shut down". What would your "own version of Flickr" actually do -- just host pictures?
- Brian Sullivan
There must be more to it than that. Heather has pictures of herself in her photostream. If the whole exchange was saved, why are Heather-the-admin's comments the only ones shown in the post?
- Kevin Fox
I would CRY!!!!!! This is SOOOOOOOOOOOO WROOOOOOOOONG!!!!!! AUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHH!
- Susan Beebe
This sucks. Does this mean the pix of lolcats (thjat I didn't take) will be deleted too. If not - isn't that discriminatory?? -[
- Chris Loft
Things similar to this have been happening on flickr regarding accounts from other countries as well. A large number of people boycotted flickr for a year or so, but nothing has changed. Many people tried to go to another service, but never found anything as good. I agree with Thomas that somehow the staff needs to be held accountable.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Why is Flickr so popular? Is it all because of the community, or is there something else? Smugmug (and even Picasa) seem much nicer to me.
- Paul Buchheit
I am thinking of switching after reading this post... Flickr's draconian behavior is unacceptable! A paid account can be deleted without even contacting the user first?! whoa!! Not cool... really poor customer service
- Susan Beebe
Paul, I believe it has everything to do with the community. I've made friends, found photography I never would have, and the rooms often provide challenges that I never would have found. Oh, I also use smugmug - but I use it in different ways.
- Rachel Lea Fox
I really do like Flickr, but I would never use them as a reliable storage facility. From their TOS: "5. FLICKR'S RESERVATION OF RIGHTS Flickr expressly reserves the right to immediately modify, delete content from, suspend or terminate your account and refuse current or future use of any Yahoo! service, including Flickr pro, if Flickr, in its sole discretion believes you have: (i)...
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- Kevin Fox
Social Media networks Fascism SUCKS. I had My Twitter account suspended all of a sudden. I had over 500 followers. I put in a support ticket, but got no response from Twitter. We Netizens have no rights when it comes to Social Media Networks. VERY BAD
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Smugmug and Picasa are for sharing photos with your friends, who already care enough to look. Flickr helps people discover your photos. A musician in Brazil used my photos in his CD liner notes, and a physics textbook might use one in their new edition. Part of the joy of posting photos is seeing feedback, and Flickr provides an opportunity for that. The others just let you post your photos.
- Seth
Thomas: What are the procedures or guidelines at Zooomr for such infractions that would cause Flickr to hit the Delete button?
- Nils Sandin
I use flickr for sharing with strangers. If I just wanted to share with friends, I'd use Smugmug (or maybe Picasa).
- Amit Patel
I'm not a fan of Flickr. So - Why not boycott Flickr for a week (just one week): no uploads, no comments, no favorites, nothing! - Or leave Flickr there are plenty of alternatives: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Philipp Mertens
Terrible PR for Flickr. I don't use Flickr and don't particularly like there UI, but have been tempted for the social aspect to the site. I think I;ll find an alternative, but they are so big I doubt they'll care about losing 1 or 2 users.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Nils, Zooomr doesn't censor or delete accounts except in very rare cases. Childporn is the only example where I've ever seen it happen. But this isn't about Zooomr and I'd rather not the conversation go in that direction. Zooomr's a nice site. So is SmugMug. But no site has as large a community and audience as Flickr. Nor is any other site likely to in the future. Flickr is not just about storing photos there. Photos can be stored almost anywhere.
- Thomas Hawk
The thing is it's about the community and audience of Flickr. That's just where it's at for better or worse. Flickr though ought to be thought of as more than just a business by Yahoo. It should be regarded with the cultural significance that I really believe it is. Flickr is the single largest well organized collection of images on the internet today. It's the largest community in the world built around serious photography and not just image hosting. Flickr needs to be there.
- Thomas Hawk
But there needs to be outrage when they do stuff like this I believe so that they don't just keep doing it again and again. Flickr has talked about having a way to reverse photos deleted for years, something that would be simple to build and yet they just won't do it. They talked about doing this after they made the "mistake" of deleting one of their most popular user's photos over a...
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- Thomas Hawk
@Kevin. Kevin I do hope that there is more to it than just this. And I'm sure Flickr may try to put some sort of spin on this if it gets large enough like they did with Rebekka in the link above. But anyone can read through that help forum thread and they had every opportunity to respond but instead just chose to shut the conversation down. I suspect this will likely turn out like Rebekka's case to be another unfortunate non-reversable "mistake," if they own up to it at all.
- Thomas Hawk
Gosh! That ain't good!
- Nia
Flickr doesn't need your business, and they know it. They can do what they want, when they want, and even if they lose a few $25 accounts, who cares? They know enough people will stick around regardless. Flickr has never really impressed me, and there are definitely better photo hosting/sharing sites out there.
- Dave Roth
There has got to be a better way to handle this, why not block the photos in question, talk to the flickr account user and settle the issue. I have family pictures on flickr that go back to 1904, the people who took them are all long dead. why I have pictures on multiple applications
- Kim Landwehr
Ugh, bad form from Flickr. I didn't know they did stuff like this... :(
- Tyson Key
on reddit here: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Thomas Hawk
Lots of people post other peoples pictures and screenshots. I'm sure they will re-instate. Probably. Reminds me of when Scoble got his Facebook account shut for running the Plaxo script.
- james rock
from twhirl
Raises the never ending issue of whether a machine can determine fair use or how quickly folks will demand clearer brightlines - certainly a great opportunity to figure out attribution & where "value" originates ...
- Scott Moskowitz
I'd feel sick
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Hello, BBB? Or better yet, a lawyer. This kind of thing does not add up at all. I feel disgusted by this, especially after paying for Pro, myself.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
i would be irate. but it wouldnt be the end of me. i have 3x backups w/ 1 copy off site. and nothing could ever stop me from taking pictures.
- Plug1
@Chris, the BBB can do nothing. They are allowed to do this to you in their TOS. Allowed, but shouldn't in my opinon. @james rock. The thing is that Flickr says that they *can't* re-instate accounts. Once your photos, comments, etc. are gone, they are gone for good. They should fix that too.
- Thomas Hawk
I cannot arrive at a informed opinion on this just from the comments posted in this thread, but it is very interesting to me. I'm reading a lot of assumptions and I still have questions like; Was she in violation of the Terms of Service for paid accounts? Was her account deleted due to copyright violations or was it due to content violations (porn or whatever).
- Mattb4rd
Mattb4rd. Her account was admittedly of an erotic nature. Both the shots that she took and the shots posted of her. But that's why Flickr allows you to self tag your photos as "restricted," which she was doing. This way they are hidden from everyone on Flickr who hasn't signed up to see restricted content. I suspect that there is more to the story as well but in typical Flickr fashion rather than discuss it Heather simply killed the thread on the issue.
- Thomas Hawk
And the other question: did the photographer in question actually complain? I mean there's no chance they could find these images at random, so someone must have complained. I suspect Flickr lives in terror of a copyright lawsuit of the kind that kills online services, and I bet there are industry bodies out there waiting for an excuse case. It doesnt excuse the abrupt way they go about...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Anyone from Flickr is of course perfectly welcome to chime in at any time and tell a different side to the story. In fact I think that they owe the community at the very least some sort of response over this rather than simply shutting down the thread the way that they did. Then again maybe they are just hoping that this will blow over and go away.
- Thomas Hawk
Joelle, even if this is a copyright issue and someone complained. The correct way to handle this would be to mark the disputed photos as private temporarily and enter a discussion with both parties. This would shield them from any liability. Instead they just delete accounts without any appeal process or recourse, and not just the disputed photos, your *entire* account.
- Thomas Hawk
I totally agree with you on that one - they dont seem to have a process to handle things gracefully, and they really should, because it must happen in some form every day!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
One extra-large FAIL for Flickr coming right up!
- Michael Forian
I am late responding to this thread so apologies if it is out of context. Deleting someones account in a "its gone for good" way immeadiately seems extremely unfair. Freeze the account, have direct dialogue with the account holder, ask them to remove what ever is in breach of the T&C's then unfreeze if they correct whatever it is that caused the freeze. If no suitable compromise can be found then continue to freeze the account.
- Rob Brammeld
There seems to be more and more reports where if the particular online services you subscribe malfunctions in any way it is difficult for the user (often a fee paying user) to get a quick solution or even in some cases even be able to raise the issue with someone. My broadband provider for example. I recently had a problem with my uploads (as were other users of the service) and the only option available to me as call a premium line and pay £££ per minute to raise and seek a solution to a problem.
- Rob Brammeld
Thomas: Last summer TWiP interviewed Heather. Any chance the guys over there would want to bring such censorship topics up with her in an open forum or interview? Or provide a contact to Heather directly? E-mails and locked forums don't get very far with her, it seems.
- Nils Sandin
@Rob: We don't know that Flickr didn't have a direct dialogue with this user because Flickr has clammed up. The issue then is; should the community have access to the private communications that may or may not have occurred between the service and the user? Even if the user were to divulge portions or "all", discerning parties not directly involved would still be left with raised eyebrows.
- Mattb4rd
Terrifying thought.
- susan mernit
It's sad the Heather doesn't even have the common courtesy to respond to e-mails from the premiere photography podcast. In my post, I didn't mean for the public to contact Heather directly, but instead that TWiP or others who do know her contact details to do so. But as your wrote, it wouldn't seem to help.
- Nils Sandin
The scary thing is that I perceive fee paying as giving me rights to an SLA and a process, which is one of the reasons I use a pay for service for, say email. But when the T&Cs are a bit too broad which means they can just terminate everything saying you breached the terms, with no process or option of appeal, then what is the point of paying?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Is there any other photo service offering unlimited space at a comparable (read: ± $5.00 USD) price point? Perhaps if there was some direct competition at that level, we might see less nastiness out of Flickr. Would Google purchasing Yahoo! help make Flickr less evil, too?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
It's not just the storage, though, it is the community. I get some connections and feedback on my photos, and that is due to the large number of people
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I would be terrified to find my account deleted. I guess it's time to fire-up Fusion and try Downloadr - http://lifehacker.com/5125257... to backup all of my pics.
- bch12
I wonder if it's a Yahoo culture problem, I see similar sorts of attitudes with respect to delicious
- Andy Davies
The issue isn't so much the photos - I don't even keep the high res versions on Flickr. It's the 20,000 faves and 10,000 comments I've left over the years, as well as the countless thousands I've been fortunate enough to receive and the many bloggers who've used my photos and linked to me. That Flickr would take such a drastic action with no warning or recourse is simply unconscionable.
- Eric P
I think Apple or Google should buy Flickr, Delicious, and/or Zimbra. Yahoo doesn't really give these services the love they deserve.
- Glenn Batuyong
And Thomas is right. With all due respect to Zooomr, Flickr is just the 800 lb gorilla in this space. I'm a member of a half dozen photo sharing sites all valuable in their own right, but none come close to the reach that Flickr has. It has the largest audience, community, and it's increasingly the place you need to be to get "discovered". Jumping ship doesn't seem like an option, and I don't see Flickr being unseated in the foreseeable future.
- Eric P
It's also clear that Flickr is fairly set in its policies regarding censorship and deletion and seems unwilling to change them. They cannot, at this juncture, be unaware of the user complaints in these areas. Which begs the question of why do they insist on these draconian policies?
- Eric P
@Nils I doubt getting TWiP involved would help anything at all, as those guys are just as guilty of causeless summary executions as flickr is. It would be way too hypocritical for TWiP to call flickr out on this, as they're just as evil.
- Dave Roth
Wow, first time I heard TWiP called evil! Any comments, Scott, Frederick, Alex?
- Nils Sandin
I think TWIP is the best photography related podcast on the internet. Certainly there is a debate about moderation in any group on Flickr. I have no problem with private groups on Flickr choosing to moderate comments for any reason at all. I happen to admin an "uncensored" group there and things can get very ugly very fast there for better or for worse. But I think moding a group is a far cry from deleting a user's account without good reason or warning which I think ought to be the core issue here.
- Thomas Hawk
There's a difference between moderating a group (public or private) and the Flickr staff essentially shutting down discussion about their deletion and censorship policies. It's like speech in China - you're free to talk about anything except stuff that makes the government look bad.
- Eric P
Eric, one of the truly odd things is that you are not even allowed to mention Terrence's name in the help forums. You can mention Heather's name but no one is allowed to mention Terrence's name, even though Terrence seems to be involved in an awful lot of the protested cases of censorship. I just don't get that. Flickr closed the thread I'd opened the other day about my five censored images. They close threads down almost every time they become critical of them.
- Thomas Hawk
Scott, Flickr will be dethroned by services like FriendFeed, but it will take 3 years. FriendFeed has better social networking features than Flickr, and provides a place where people can establish an audience regardless of how/where they host their photos. It just doesn't have the user base yet.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce - think you are right that FriendFeed might replace the social part of Flickr. I see so much more Flickr photography since friendfeed. I love that I get to see my friends favorites, I never have time to go sift through it on flickr.
- Rachel Lea Fox
I'll kick their servers i guess
- Murat Bişkin
I will say that FF has taken a chunk of my time away from Flickr and is very social like Flickr is. I'd love to see more and more photography tools built into FF over time. I also really like the fact that I've seen very little censorship on FF as in none. If you don't like something you just hide it. Easy enough. If you don't like a person, you just hide them as well. Or a service. I really appreciate the censorship free environment on FF.
- Thomas Hawk
I think Friendfeed is too diluted to ever really replace Flickr or any sites like Flickr - there's no sets, not tags, no way to search for photos, no groups centered on certain photographic subjects, techniques, or equipment (and no easy way to add particular photos to rooms, should someone create such rooms). FF would need a major feature overhaul to really work for that purpose.
- Eric P
Also Friendfeed doesn't really have to deal with censorship because other sites already handle it. It won't show Flickr photos marked restricted, for example, because they're not in the RSS feed. Which excludes 90% of the nipples on Flickr.
- Eric P
I could also, if I was so inclined, upload my art nude photographs to a public Smugmug gallery and have them come up in people's feeds as great big thumbnails. I'd wager that people wouldn't be too happy with that and start clamoring the FF developers to do something to block nudity. Eventually it'll be a real issue, and then and only then we'll see how FF addresses censorship.
- Eric P
Eric, if you did that people would just use the Hide feature and/or move you out of their home feed. As for tags, I don't have any inside info, but it's my hunch that FriendFeed will implement them some time in the latter half of 2009. Other sites will implement feeds that pass through tags/keywords that specify equipment, techniques, etc. Filtering noise is a core FriendFeed function, so it won't stay dilute long.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Maybe Eric. It will be interesting to see if/how FF deals with censoring images if/when that becomes a problem. So far here it seems that the community is pretty responsible. But certainly having the ability to use the hide functionality greatly empowers the user to get rid of things that they don't want to see. Flickr doesn't have that sort of functionality.
- Thomas Hawk
"Hide" is wonderful, but it still winds up on your screen before you can click it, a no-no for people surfing at work and can get in trouble. Which is why so many places on the net have some form of flagging and filtering of such content (which is what Flickr does). It's not a big problem yet but I do see Friendfeed having to deal with it sooner or later.
- Eric P
This was so handled improperly and unprofessionally and with total disregard to ALL of us as users. Everyone who feels this way should, at the very least, leave a comment stating such at her retribution post here: http://bit.ly/18d2Ct This copyright bullshit is going way too far.
- Ian Maffett
this is ridiculous
- mjc
I'd be enraged. So high-handed, it makes you wonder why you pay them? That kind of poor behavior is that of a fat bureaucracy, not a private sector company.
- Rick Cogley
Wall-E Bento! Just A Million Kinds of Awesome - http://www.fulltimecasual.com/fulltim...
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10 Reasons why Twitter is for you and FriendFeed is not - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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This is called Stripe Lining in sales. Let's see who bites.
- Elisa
oi vay, this must get at least 100 comments; carries some weight given your FF rock star status as you note; you're obviously not expecting an Xmas present from your FF buddies this year, looking forward to seeing their retort...
- Bob Sonin
the problem with twitter is that it's an addiction. Just when I think that I am out, it pulls me back in. It's the simplicity. I primarily use FF, but twitter fills in the gaps. There is a place for both, but more people should jump into FF. Although my wife is still unsure of twitter, so I have my work cut out for me. How bout that post Robert? "10 reasons why email/SMS is for you and twitter is not." :-)
- Bob Blunk
The complexity is what gets me, but really only between Friend Feed and Twitter. There's a feature to autopost to twitter here on ff, and I turned it on and forgot. All of a sudden I've got like a million tweets about my last.fm and google reader stuff. Not to mention that a post direct to twitter went circular.
- adam garrett
hilarious!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I just spent a little time watching your real-time feed. Clearly, I cannot follow anywhere near as many people as you do. I get lost in the flood of data.
- DGentry
Because, of course, more features makes a service better. Right? ;-)
- Brent Newhall
I loved this line: "You can’t handle that, which is why Twitter is for you. Any service that has a tutorial on how to use a feature is just not for you."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
HA! Great reading, Scoble. I lol'ed. Seriously, I did.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
my fave "d. You can “Comment” on an item. Here’s my comments. More than 6,000 of them. You really don’t want that kind of distraction. You might have to participate and that wouldn’t be good."
- ernie yacub
6. How to DM on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/e... otherwise, good post. Funny.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Scoble already stated in a previous post that DM'ing sucks, anyway. I don't think a service is going to implement full email-like features when that's not even the point of the service. People can just use email or IM.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
lol
- David Cook
My point wasn't about the merits of DMing, just that it's possible in friendfeed, but it's the friendfeed way.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I love this ... where's Dave Winer? hahahaha!
- Susan Beebe
It took me a second but good read Schoble.
- Nation Hahn
It slays me when people say Friendfeed is more complicated than Twitter. Investing maybe half an hour in setting up Friendfeed *the way I like it* made it highly usable and simple for me. There is nothing I can do to Twitter to make it useful for me except investigate third-party apps and I don't have the patience for that.
- Laura Norvig
I like how twitter reminds me of birds tweet tweet #11
- sofarsoShawn
I can't help but love this post, but I do still tend to agree with some others that Robert is a tad too belittling at times. Most of the time I'd just say "man the f*ck up," but in this case it's actually a little confusing as to why Robert is so condescending at points.
- Tyler Hayes
from twhirl
Funny sarcastic post. Gets the point across. Note: in that tutorial, please explain what a 'meme' is b/c it took me 2-3 weeks to figure that out. (**I have no problems admitting my huge learning curve!!**)
- Amani
Those are all good reasons, largely narrowing down to Twitter is >SHOCK< simpler than FF. Which is excellent. They both rock for their own reasons.
- Clay Newton
#11 FriendFeed won't let you change your background image. You love that on Twitter you can put links to your blog, linkedin, etc., in an image instead of tempting them to navigate to there with a real link or distracting them with your superfluous activity from those places.
- Daniel Sims
These are all good reasons... but still. I have met many people that just don't get Twitter. They shout out in space and wait for people to hear them.. - noone does... after a few days/weeks they think its lame and leave never to return. As soon as you understand RSS, Friendfeed its all simple... but the main reason I vote for FF mainstream attraction is the threaded conversations. Everyone can enter "Best of day" and instantly be part of a conversation with others without feeling as an outsider.
- Peter Efland
Summing up.... the tech aspect of FF might be more tricky, but I think the social aspect is easier to get for newbies.
- Peter Efland
So much sarcasm bundled up into one post. Gotta love it. "...why Twitter is for you and FF isn't" http://is.gd/aFOl (via @scobleizer)
- Chinkerfly
Do you agree with Robert that FriendFeed is way too complicated for most social media users? ;-)
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
FriendFeed has layer upon layer of usefulness. I've been using it a *lot* for the last few months and I still learn new things now and then. Once people start using FF there's often an 'a ha!' moment and then things pick up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
That's just the reason why FF is for me and not Twitter
- Uwe Schwarz
I don't actually get Twitter, I use it,but only to simultaneously feed into FB and FF.. (espcially wihen I'm mobile). I rarely hit the site to read since the ppl that I want to follow also feed into FB which I find much more my cup o tea.
- Kelly W.
I still like using both... FF is my place you can find and read everything and twitter is more like a notification service of my online and other activities.
- tomit
Alright, I laughed : ) but I'm not sure this was such a great idea.
- Jeremy
I love the twist on this article. We need more people falling in love with FriendFeed. More people = more variety of content. As of now, it's too tech centric. I think as more people grow more comfortable with 'feeds' this service will go mainstream. Right now, people are just getting the value of commenting in Facebook. I think that's funny. :/
- Patrickometry
Op-Ed Contributor: Al Gore - The Climate for Change - NYTimes.com - http://shaneguiter.tumblr.com/post...
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Twitter.com is apparently pointing to an internal staging server. Outstanding Fail.
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Hah! WTF?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
oops.
- tiffany
Ahh - I was just going to post this :( Fail whale x infinity
- WorldofHiglet
yeah, just got that error. a truly innovative fail!
- graham mudd
dummies
- Cee Bee
If you're going to mess up it might as well be EPIC, they've managed to top themselves AGAIN
- Dave Martin
Think they might be trying to fix the "& bug, maybe? Don't know why that would switch the servers.
- elizabeth s.
Work around here https://twitter.com/home
- Dave Martin
Obama on the debates: "I think that it is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one things at once."
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Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden Web 2.0 Style - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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"I took the transcript from Sarah Palin's VP acceptance speech at last night's Republican convention (top) and compared it to the VP acceptance transcript given by Joe Biden from the Democratic convention (bottom) using wordle."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
view large here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
great idea
- Nick
very insightful. though it could be argued considering the forum, that talk is cheap. (that goes for both sides of the camp)
- Carlos Ayala
Biden seemed to talk alot about international stuff, Afganistan, Iran, Russia, Georgia, are all in his wordle. Palin's doesn't have any international stuff. More feel good sort of stuff: family, hockey, moms, with a smattering of words having to do with special interests and reform. Palin says Thanks and USA alot, Biden says change a lot. Biden mentions Bush and McCain alot, Palin doesn't mention Obama very prominently.
- Thomas Hawk
indeed Carlos, most of what comes out in these speeches are very carefully crafted by political operatives and pollsters. Cheap indeed and I doubt very genuine on either's part.
- Thomas Hawk
Palin also would appear to use the words American, America, Country and USA much more than Biden does.
- Thomas Hawk
What's interesting is that Biden seems to be one of the very few people, other than his wife, who calls him "Barack" more than "Obama."
- Ryan Brenizer
Thomas - cool stuff, would love to see how it looks if you removed the Top 10 words from each... my hunch is very similar... :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Thomas, no way to filter out "laughter" and "applause" from the transcript?
- Avelino Maestas
Vincent... the John word is skewed. he also mentioned John Kennedy several times as well as John Kerry.
- Jeff Jones
Does she mention her own name more than Obama's? Weird. I'd be interested to see the same for the presidential candidates
- Chris Nixon
Thomas: fascinating!
- Sally Church
Chris Nixon - Thomas did do one for the presidential candidates as well...can't find the link yet....
- Justin Korn
Funny: USA vs Change
- Igor Poltavskiy
Palin's speech had a complete lack of policy discussion.
- Eric P
I like "Boos." Also "boos."
- s t e v e
awesome use of Wordle.
- Stephanie_Happy2010!
here's the one I did a while back comparing a few McCain vs. Obama speeches: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
love this
- Andrew Hyde
A picture is worth a thousand words.....interesting to compare the focus of both talks
- Shane Pearson
This is a good way to analyze the debates.
- Russellreno
Palin's image is misleading. it's obvious to see if you actually heard the speech
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm at Social Media Camp today in Austin -- lots of cool social media peeps. I'll be posting updates here so as not to clutter up Twitter.
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@ericaogrady opened up the proceedings talking about the value of social media and now @conniereece is talking about the Frozen Pea Fund.
- Omar Gallaga
@springnet is shooting video up front. Haven't seen him since SXSWi. Also up front: @whurley. Several other Statesman folks here, too, including @kkingston, @broylesa and Gary D. from @austin360
- Omar Gallaga
about how many people are in attendance, do ya figure?
- elizabeth s.
Would anyone notice if I just showed up for lunch? :-)
- Prentiss Riddle
Something like 200? Big room is packed in all directions.
- Omar Gallaga
Branding/marketing people sure do talk good.
- Omar Gallaga
Hashtags for #smcampaustin doesn't seem to be working at hashtags.org. Anybody else able to see anything over there?
- Omar Gallaga
@prentiss I think they would. Lots of people you know are here, I think. Not sure what the plan is for lunch, tho...
- Omar Gallaga
@giovanni is talking about gaming teh aggr3gatorz... He might have the only soul patch in the room.
- Omar Gallaga
I regret forgetting my soul patch.
- Omar Gallaga
hashtags.org is slow to load, but try this: http://search.twitter.com/search...
- elizabeth s.
@whurley: "I act as a catalyst for community to happen to do something else." Whurley is awesome.
- Omar Gallaga
Soul patch correction: Whurley has one, too. All the soul patches in the front row. Does this mean full beards sit in the back? My goatee is safely sitting in the middle.
- Omar Gallaga
@ericaogrady says 180 people registered for SMC -- I'm hearing other people who didn't register are planning to come, so that puts it over 200, I think.
- Omar Gallaga
Erica is blowing people's minds. Nice job.
- Omar Gallaga
The wi-fi situation is really really bad. Lots of sad laptop screens. Thank goodness for my phone.
- Omar Gallaga
Drat! Since I can't be there I want to hear that it's boring and a waste of time. I want you to tell me that lunch is no good, either. :-)
- Prentiss Riddle
Lunch IS running late. (stomach grumble).
- Omar Gallaga
Internet is back up!
- Omar Gallaga
We did an old media presentation that was well-attended. People had to pay attention because they had no Wi-Fi. Newspaper win!
- Omar Gallaga
@lunalagu in da house!
- Omar Gallaga
in the small room hearing about community organizing.
- Omar Gallaga
Summation of current group: Camps are easy to put on, good to find sponsors for and good to organize if you get lots of good people to help. Terrible idea for a group, though: Pedophile Camp.
- Omar Gallaga
I couldn't make the daytime event but planning on SummerMash tonight - will you be there?
- Sheila Scarborough
Yes. Sounds like the event tonight will be packed. I haz babysitter!
- Omar Gallaga
Sitting in on a Yelp presentation. Very interesting stuff.
- Omar Gallaga
Yelp says their idea of principles of social media are 1. transparency 2. authenticity.
- Omar Gallaga
Just met PJ of pjbrunet.com and Izzy Santa of the Sam Adams Alliance, who flew in from Chicago just for this. Izzy had no Sam Adams lager to give out. Sadly.
- Omar Gallaga
Yelp is throwing a party Aug. 22 at Buffalo Billiards.
- Omar Gallaga
Things are winding down.
- Omar Gallaga
I regret not shooting any video or photos. Maybe at the happy hour tonight.
- Omar Gallaga
The tentative Austin Twitter Starter pack (10 people) -- they are, @kimhaynes, @pzriddle, @conniereece, @sheilas, @lpt, @mikechapman, @elizs, @silona, @laniAR, @jettek
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Explanation: using suggestions from other Twitter peeps who submitted names, I tried to get a cross-section of people who post on a variety of topics, not just tech (there were way too many tech industry people that I would have liked to include). This list represents tech, social media, film, real estate, business, virtual worlds, politics and other areas. Would love to hear your thoughts. This was not a list of "Who has the most followers?" or "Who posts the most."
- Omar Gallaga
Also need to mention that corporate twitters like Dell, Whole Foods, Statesman, KXAN etc will be mentioned in their own category. This list is individuals. I should also mention that this is for a piece that runs Sunday in the Statesman.
- Omar Gallaga
Just noticed this list skews 8:2 female to male. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
- Omar Gallaga
The women like to tweet! =)
- elizabeth s.
Thanks for the props! Just went and followed the three I wasn't already following. Nice to meet you guys!
- Laura Thomas
My apologies -- I have to take out @elizs - -I didn't realize that Twitter feed is set to private. Open for suggestions on that last slot.
- Omar Gallaga
how about @mcchris? he's an early adopter.
- elizabeth s.
I'd recommend @jonl for the final spot.
- Jeff Beckham
The (admittedly few) complaints I've gotten so far is that the list is too tech/social media heavy. Other contenders included @cote, @whurley, @juliegomoll... Would love to have a good music person on the list.
- Omar Gallaga
Do music people tweet? They don't even update their myspace pages with gigs.
- Bryan Menell
What about @archana or @davidgiesberg for the college vie or @rippleon for his positive attitude and networking or @twalk for both the business and family side of life or @thomsinger for his positive thoughts. Honored that you'd include me with such a great group, Omar!
- Kim Haynes Hollenshead
Since we're throwing names out, others who were mentioned/nominated: @chipr, @LionelatDell, @evansdave, @thomsinger, @jonathonmorgan, @jmerriman @GloriaKT @RichardatDELL, @Rippleon, @archana, @itsnider, @chadleyconqueso, @mcchris
- Omar Gallaga
Suggest @lauraa - local SEO & SEM expert & organizer/teacher. Also, tech is likely over-represented because tech folks have been prevalent early adopters, moreso than other industries, probably. I'd throw my name in the ring, but I'm techie AND a man. (don't pity me. ;)
- Ricardo G.
@TWalk would be a good addition, too, I think.
- Laura Thomas
I hope to be up for consideration of the next round of Austin Twitter Pack candidates. I'll be moving down there from Boston in a few weeks!
- Bryan Person
Your Twitter ID was sent to me as "in the future" which, you know... couldn't do much with that. But (future) welcome to Austin!
- Omar Gallaga
I would pay good money for someone to create a "Crowdsourcing Fail!" graphic right about now.
- Omar Gallaga
omg sweet! i wasn't following 30% of the list, but NOW i'm on it!!! :)
- @LaniAR
AmazonMP3 shows how to monetize Twitter - http://www.makeyougohmm.com/2008071...
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8 Aesthetically Awesome Abandoned Theaters. (Via Coudal.) - http://billbarol.tumblr.com/post...
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Here's what Twitter would look like if we were under attack by Zombies. - http://kensingtonvictoria.com/blog...
Josh Wills, Mark Douglass, Christopher Sacca and 8 other people liked this
that is so awesome.
- elizabeth s.
Oh, this is just genius, that's all.
- Bill Barol
I have to reshare this via bookmarklet. This be awesome.
- Jennifer Leggio
Or I would if the bookmarklet was working on that page. heh.
- Jennifer Leggio
@Jennifer - you can't use the bookmarklet on just a JPG
- Nathaniel Payne
iTunes Continues to Sleep at the Wheel - http://www.parislemon.com/2008...
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AmazonMP3 is the first or second place I check for new DRM-free music online. iTMS is third.
- TDavid
Neuroscience of sarcasm - http://feeds.boingboing.net/~r...
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Dear God, I want to go back to school and study people's brains.
- Steph Beasley
Thanks for linking to this!
- elizabeth s.
Why Twitter is Down - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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we need a twitter reposter service, to retwit posts when its up again...via feedalizr
- thomas elton
When will they pass the point of no return for users? Will folks give up on them?
- Jeff Beckham
What about a "Status" bar on the right side of FriendFeed reporting on the service level of each feeding site? (Google Reader: Up / Digg: Up / Twitter: Outlook Not So Good)
- Louis Gray
How many times does it have to go down before it's OUT?
- Tim FitzGerald
oh so many reasons why twit doesn't work...
- anna sauce
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter
- Noah David Simon
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