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Paul Buchheit posted a message
“It's interesting to rephrase taxes as disincentives. For example, gas taxes are gas consumption disincentives, tax on interest is a savings disincentive, tax on earned income is a work disincentive, capital gains tax is an investment disincentive, sales tax is a consumption disincentive, etc.”
August 9 at 5:11 pm - Link
Of course everything is connected to everything else, so the reality is somewhat more complex, but it's an amusing exercise nonetheless. - Paul Buchheit
With all those disincentives, no wonder there are so many jobless / homeless - Michael Hylkema
Well yeah, it would be too extreme to actually make it illegal to create U.S. jobs, but things like the payroll tax encourage people to find creative ways to send jobs overseas. - Bruce Lewis
Import/export duties are disincentives to trade; property taxes are disincentives to own a home. Great little idea. Sales tax sounds so much more reasonable. - Emmett Shear
the only other way to consider it is aberrant social policy - Stowe Boyd via twhirl
Don't forget cigarettes, etc, where the tax is very clearly intended to discourage people from consuming the product. - Louis Gray
The irony is that most people probably still have no idea how much of the price they pay for gasoline is tax, since it is hidden in the price. for instance in California the total tax on a gallon of gasoline is 63.9 cents and diesel is 72 cents. - Jeff P. Henderson
I much prefer a use tax such as that on gasoline than a flat tax on income. Also, if you look at the tax rates, the disincentive for employment income is the worst. Investment income is taxed at a much lower rate. This should tell us something, working for someone else for a living is not going to make you rich, unless you are drawing a CEO's salary, or are one of the few lucky people who have significant stock equity in their company and it goes public. - Jeff P. Henderson
Gasoline tax is a driving disincentive, but the roads that are funded are a driving incentive. - Hutch Carpenter
Gasoline really evens out. But income tax is annoying. Wasn't the income tax one the reasons the US broke from Britain in the first place? "I'm better at what I do than others and I can do something that others can not, therefore I am paid more. What's that? Because I'm better I get more money taken away from me? Well fine, I'll just go into business for myself doing next to nothing and make so much money it won't matter. What's that? You'll tax me less if I do that? Really? Hrm." - xero
This is why it makes sense to support the "death" tax. It gives people an incentive to stay alive. - Jim Norris
if all things were equally disincentivized, you would have a fair tax system. Put another way, relative disincentives may be more important in this world you've postulated, Paul. - Rob Schonberger
How about a military tax? - Amit Patel
A tax on staples is a disincentive for survival. - ⓞnor
The most efficient solution I think would be taxing everything at a rate inversely proportional to its elasticity of demand, so that overall patterns of consumption and spending wouldn't change. - Jim Norris
taxation without representation ... except what is equitable to tax? how do we measure it? intellectual property presents exciting controversy ... - Wiley Coyote
& equity means you work for yourself ... debt means you work for someone else ... tax that! - Wiley Coyote
Wiley Coyote? Yes, even if you are able to escape the Laws of Physics it appears your observations concerning taxes are quite REAL ... great material on your feed! - Scott Moskowitz
utilities tax (elec, water, sewer), library tax, police tax, fire protection tax, - all disincentives. - MikeAmundsen
voting disincentives, all. - Slippy Lane
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Jonathan posted an entry on Jon's Political Ramblings
July 20 at 2:35 pm - Link
Sign me up! Food is too important to leave to the free-market ;) - Paul Buchheit
Here's something my capitalist friends might love. We'll privatize all law enforcement and fire protection. You only get protection if you pay for it. The more you pay, the better your protection. Wealthy districts will be able to high better staff and provide better equipment for them. Poor districts will receive less protection. If they want better protection, they can pay more and/or move. Hey, it works great for restaurants. - MikeAmundsen
Maybe they could find the people who robbed my house. The SF police seemed pretty uninterested. - Paul Buchheit
@paul: you proly need to start paying them better - MikeAmundsen
Mike, I didn't realize that the SF police offered a premium service. Is their rate card online somewhere? - Paul Buchheit
i figure jonathan has the details on how free market can help you out w/ the cops. he already worked out a great deal for the schools, right? - MikeAmundsen
Super-like. - Michael Ryan
So wait, can I use a police voucher to pay protection money to the Mafia now? - Alex Power
Police services have positive externalities. If your neighbors fail to pay for police protection, your neighborhood becomes less safe. If a neighborhood in a city fails to pay for protection, the whole city becomes less safe. - Emmett Shear
What about all those relatively low-cost private restaurants run by the Catholic Church? The meals might not taste great, and the waitress might slap your hand with a ruler if you use the wrong silverware, but at least the food is relatively nutritious. Some of it's kind of hard to digest though. - Jim Norris
I wish I lived in a city with free food! If it works for Google, why not apply it to the whole city? - Gabe
Nice satire, Jon! I think you missed one instance of "school -> restaurant", or perhaps that was intentional :)? - Sanjeev Singh
As a SF parent whose 4 y.o. boy starts kindergarten next year, I love this post. But many public schools in SF are getting better. Problem is still the lottery here makes it so unpredictable what kind of education your kid will get. - Hutch Carpenter
It was an accident Sanjeev - I clearly need an editor. Fixed it up though. - Jonathan
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“Did the alchemists actually believe that they could turn lead into gold, or was that just a good way to raise money to fund their labs?”
July 17 at 1:19 am - Link
I have a similar theory about shamans. "I'm going to need to go on a spiritual journey for a couple of days..." - Paul Buchheit
They did. Like we truly believe in web2.0 - Phil Smirnov
I think they believed the ancient alchemists could. Too bad we don't have rumors of cave men with iphones. - Ranjit Mathoda
Before people figured out the difference between compounds and atoms, maybe some alchemists really believed they could. I don't remember any concrete discussions of this though. Maybe it was just fund-raising/politics/vaporware? - Mitchell Tsai
Phil, that just hads me laugh. Thanks! - Piaw Na
common theory at one time was the earth was flat and the center of the universe... I guess part of evolution includes loosing faith in what can and can't be done or true - nick carrasco
It wasn't just lead but base metals - it was part of the theory that everything was linked and it was a question of finding the rights answers to transmute things. The other main goal was to find the elixir of life which would cure all illness and give youth. As Mitchell says, before a better understanding of how things were made it was belived that just about any substance could be altered with the correct process. - Colin Walker via fftogo
Sure, they was believed in... - maysam shahsavari
Paul, have you read Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, particularly Quicksilver? - DeWitt Clinton
Modern-day alchemy is alive and well (or not so well at the moment) on Wall Street. Wall Street firms have made their money by taking typically under-performing assets and slicing and dicing them in to a dizzying array of products that get rated investment-grade (AAA) meaning sellable and gold. Humans will continue to try to produce gold from lead from now until the end of the species, guaranteed. - Morgan
DeWitt: Quicksilver made my head spin. It was an awesome book. Weird in places, but awesome nonetheless. I plan on picking up the rest of the cycle soon. - ha3rvey
Interesting question. Maybe the western alchemists were pragmatic but the eastern neighbors were more interested in immortality. I hope this is correct (from memory) - LPH™
Regarding Quicksilver - the descriptions of phosphorous and its uses were worth the price of admission right there, DeWitt. - Phil Glockner
I find it amusing that now we really can transmute lead into gold, using a particle accelerator to knock three protons out of the lead nucleus, but the energy required to do so costs more than the resulting gold is worth. So though we can do it, it isn't very interesting. - Denton Gentry
I used to read Stephenson's books, but then they got too intimidatingly long. I guess I'm not a very fast reader. - Paul Buchheit
/upvotes Phil Smirnov's comment - Philipp Lenssen
Both. They believed that they could meet their goal eventually, if they did things right in the lab. Just like all of us. :-) - Daniel Dulitz
They wouldn't have believed in just about anything that happened over the last hundred years either. Alchemy would have seemed as plausible as a cell-phone or nanotech at the time. - Nicholas Molnar
This wasn't really a historical question so much as a reflection on their mindset. I just wonder to what extent they actually expected to create gold vs liked tinkering in the lab (and creating gold was a good way to fund their tinkering). The same personality types probably exist across different times and cultures, so it's interesting to think about what roles they will occupy in those cultures. - Paul Buchheit
don't know if you're going to get to the bottom of this on FF, but people believed some pretty stupid stuff back then. - Mark Schulz
actually it's been proven that if you smash one more atom of lead into a larger chunk of lead you get gold ... so maybe there were simply ahead of their time? - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
There were no doubt people who liked to tinker and just called themselves alchemists because it was the word that best described what they did, but I would have to assume that most of them thought their goals were achievable (and it is, just not with their technology). I suppose you could just as easily ask if televangelists really think they're acting on behalf of god, or if they just think it's a good way to raise money to fund their lifestyles? - Gabe
I find organic alchemistry more interesting. bring back the dead. we can regrow old tissue? - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
If you are into Alchemist and Anime, you should watch Full Metal Alchemist. That got me started on wiki-ing the history of Alchemists. - Winston Teo
I guess there were at least both types of alchemists: those who expected to create gold and those who expected to monetize the expectations of others. I'm mostly interested in the third type. - Eugene
I have better analogy. Compare turning lead into gold with attempts to create AI - Phil Smirnov
It seems unusual to me that the salesman personality is crossed with the tinkering personality. But maybe it is less unusual that I might think. - Clare Dibble
@Winston - FMA FTW! - Yuvi (has IRL friends!)
Clare: salesman + tinkering = Edison? - Gabe
Yeah, just like people whose goal is to cure cancer, help people live forever, prove P=NP or whatever, they have to like to tinker for its own sake, because actually achieving their goal is very unlikely. But the people who just like to tinker, with no goal, rarely accomplish big things because big things are too hard. So I think the wacky goal and satisfaction from the process are both required in order to make progress. - Daniel Dulitz
Your post was surely not a serious question, but there were really many different groups of people which we have labeled "alchemists" after the fact; the quest for transmutation is a stereotype of ours and by no means a universal pursuit of alchemy. As far as I can tell, in those times and places where alchemists were funded, it was usually not for transmutation work but for more immediately useful contributions (explosives, medicines, paints, etc). - ⓞnor
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""What America needs right now is not more talk and long-term strategy, but a concrete way to create more imaginary wealth in the very immediate future," said Thomas Jenkins, CFO of the Boston-area Jenkins Financial Group, a bubble-based investment firm. "We are in a crisis, and that crisis demands an unviable short-term solution."" - Bret Taylor via Bookmarklet
Also, a new poll shows that most Americans don't know what they'd do in hypothetical situations. Thanks, Onion News Network! - Brian Johns
"But as more and more time has passed with no substitute bubble forthcoming, investors have begun to fear that the worst-case scenario—an outcome known among economists as "real-world repercussions"—may be inevitable." - Chris White
Although it's aimed for laughs, the statement is more true than most imagine. - Roney Smith
oil is the next bubble - Bryan Thatcher via twhirl
oil is the current bubble. I'd bet on euros, defense equipment, or alternative energy companies as the next one. - Jonathan Tang
Nationwide Infrastructure development, they should green light nationwide light rail and solar and wind farms. Make solar and wind power mandatory on ALL new construction projects. - Jason Lowe
how about corn? - Nathan Rein
Hello, cleantech - Andrei M. Marinescu via Alert Thingy
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