"We call that the ³jujitsu move² - using someone else's weight to flip them
over
It happens all the time in the tech/web business
I sent an invite
I hope you like it" - Fred Wilson
"Its open source Nate so anyone can build an extension to boxee (like FF
extensions)
That means that even if they spend most of their dev resources on the head
of the tail, the indie content world can be supported by the community
That does not mean they will do that, I am just making a bigger point about
open software and why it wins" - Fred Wilson
"It happens a lot actually
I think I've said no to at least half of the entrepreneurs we ended up
backing
The way they handled it is they listened, understood why it was wrong for
me, fixed it, and then came back" - Fred Wilson
So, lessons? 1. it's hard to get onto the top of the popularity lists and wasn't made easier when a new service came out. 2. such lists favor people who network their behinds off at physical events. 3. Participation in FriendFeed helps you move up a little bit, but only if you are both very active and throw interesting content into FriendFeed (like, say, Mona). What else do you learn by looking at this list? - Robert Scoble
Johnny: well, you might claim you don't care about them, but in aggregate I see that most of us follow people who are already popular, not people who actually participate. Of course, since FriendFeed is, at top, an aggregator, just putting your RSS feeds into here is participation, I guess. - Robert Scoble
We do subscribe to them, because they are beacons. But you also have to weigh that list by the amount of 'active' users who subscribe to them. I know of at least 5 people who are members here on FriendFeed, who subscribe to most if not all of the top 20 yet never come on here. The core group is what matters. Those who are recognizable names will always get more follows, but the core of the group http://www.ffholic.com/Users.a... is what drives it. Rankings are always skewed. - Johnny Worthington
I think part of this is that many people use FriendFeed as an aggregator. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
via bTT
This list just looks like every top 100 for every mainstream (in tech) online service. It shows that in the main, the top 100 don't use friend feed but send feeds to it, I don't think that = participation, at all. - Kevin Dixie
Kevin: there is a participation effect, though. On Twitter Leo Laporte has twice the followers that I do, but not here. Why? The participation effect. I've gathered quite a few followers by participating here. - Robert Scoble
I agree - participation is key to any community see my example here (a userguide to my community) http://www.fuelmyblog.com/inde... Online has the very same rules as offline and glad you are showing that - Kevin Dixie
FriendFeed is far more of a 'community' than Twitter is, participating here counts for far more than almost anywhere else, however, participation (and how much you participate) is also a lot less visible here, in my opinion. FriendFeed (as a system) favors those who create content to import into the stream, not those who contribute to the community. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
The smart people (like you, Tina, Mona, and others) know better. The result is that being active on the community nets your rewards from the community itself, not the system. Is that a bad thing? - Aram Zucker-Scharff
Kevin : I disagree, when you are sending feeds in FF, you are pointing at us, poor human, what you find interesting. I think this is a kind of participation. Robert is doing that very well (too well ?). The only exception is twitter for me. I find it very hard to follow a twitter conversation here on friendfeed. - Olivier CASTETS
Good discussion. I interact and participate much more on FF than on Twitter. Why? Because FF is a much better tool for enabling engaging communication. I find myself being very careful conversing on Twitter because I feel it's easy to pollute the stream, whereas on FF you can do this without the same effects. - Mark Krynsky
The first thing I notice about the list is that NOBODY on FF has more than 20,000 subscribers. I reach more people through my blog on a regular basis. Is FF really all that influential? It does seem to be a great way to connect with the geek elite, but is that its only value? - Eric Hamilton
Is finally FF the blogging tool of the near future? You just posted one line and a link and the most interesting and remarkable thoughts and comments appeared in minutes from all over! - philos
I'm finding that this is the case. In a way, this microblogging is easier to do and maintain than having your own blog. I find it takes a lot of time to maintain my blog, but it is so easy to update using microblogging. And you can easily track the conversations. - Alvin
@Eric - That is because people at FF actually read the people who they subscribe too (for the most part) instead of the Twitter method of following everyone. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
The trick: "You need to give people the freedom to spend and the freedom to make mistakes," says Takeo Fukui, Honda's 61-year-old president. "If management oversight is too strong, then it's difficult to innovate." - Rob Schonberger
"To be a company that society wants to exist." - Bill Strathearn
Entire industries, and nations, can rise or fall based on their understanding (or lack thereof) of this phenomenon. - Sean McBride
The motto "to be a company that society wants to exist" brings to mind Kevin Kelly's recent post on the near future and whether we can create a vision of collective betterment that motivates people instead of galvanizing them with fear of others: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/... - Keith Pelczarski
I also liked their motto: "To be a company that society wants to exist." - Davide D'Incau
you've been there a week, you'd think you'd speak fluently by now...jeez... - Zee from WeDoCreative
If you can't understand it then...ok, nevermind! - WorldofHiglet
Looks like someone should've invested some time with Rosetta Stone. - Akiva Moskovitz
any cool tech company addressing the language issue? seems like a huge opportunity to make this country and whats happening more accessible - simonpure
xiha btw, is a very cool cross-alphabet, polyglot social network - anna awesomesauce