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Michael McKean
RIP Michael. :( - EricaJoy
RIP. :( - iTad
RIP Michael :( My condolences to family and loved ones. - Penny
Condolences to your family. RIP. - AJ Batac
RIP Dear Michael - DanDan
Fly with the angels my friend - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
condolences :( - Holden Page
OMG.. RIP, Michael. - Thierry R. Andriamirado
:( - Mil∂d
RIP. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
RIP Michael. - Mark Krynsky
Attended Michael's Trisagion Service tonight, will go to the funeral tomorrow. Family OK w photos, will post as memorial to Michael. - Norman Demetrios Fletcher
oh...we weren't ready for this - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
RIP Michael. This is so sad... I just learned about his passing yesterday. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving
Miss you, Michael. - vicster: full-bodied
Wish he could have seen us tonight. He just may have. - Josh Haley from iPhone
"when tomorrow starts without me....." My heart and prayers go to you, Michael and you're family. May you're family find peace and comfort in the days ahead. <3 - Lynda Dmoch
Happy Birthday. - Mike Nencetti
no more pain. - Big Joe Silence
RIP Michael. ;( ;( ;( - rowlikeagirl
Coming on one year. I hope that his family is doing okay, and am truly saddened that we couldn't interact with him this year. - NOT THE CRICKET
Wow, I can't believe it's been that long. - Lola Bean (Penguin) from iPod
:( I forgot to bump this on monday. :( - NOT THE CRICKET
:-( - Ashish
I only new him for a very short time here, but I miss him. - NOT THE CRICKET
Happy Birthday Michael. - Mike Nencetti
Happy Birthday Michael. nice to see your account is still here. - Mike Nencetti
On FB he kept turning up on "People You May Know" even a few months ago. Bittersweet to see him there. Happy Birthday to Michael. - vicster: full-bodied
Adam Lasnik
Am I Right or Not time: I was thinking about buying a piece of software for $250. Company's policy (and DRM) restricts it to 2 computers (I have 2 desktops + a laptop which I use regularly).
I wrote customer service twice, and was told, sorry, no exceptions... but you can put it on a USB drive to get around the restriction. So my question, before I include this company in a subsequent rant on my blog: am I being unreasonable in my request and my frustration? Related question: is this type of restriction typical? (two concurrent installs, no exceptions) - Adam Lasnik
Yes, that's normal. For instance, with Microsoft Office, you can install it on a desktop system and a laptop, but you can't use it on both places at the same time. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The dilemma is -- since this is an information retrieval / organizer type product -- I really want/need it on my home, work, and laptop computers. I apparently can't do this unless I pay for two licenses ($500 instead of $250) or use the lame workaround of a USB key, with which I risk losing my data if I don't back it up all the time. To clarify, I don't want to use the software concurrently, I want it *installed* concurrently (e.g., don't want to have to install/uninstall every day). - Adam Lasnik
And torque, that's an interesting question. I think it's the principle even more than the money. I believe they're restricting it to two installs to prevent piracy, prevent people from sharing the software with a buddy and splitting the cost. I resent the lack of trust, especially after I wrote a nice note to customer service. I'm used to the honor system with software purchases, though admittedly, most of my purchases have been in the <$100 range the last years - Adam Lasnik
I've also seen where you have to go through customer service, and if you pass the smell test, they'll give you another license (on the assumption, I guess, that people pirating the software will just bittorrent stuff and won't bother contacting customer support). - Adam Lasnik
Careful with what you install on your work computer. Software companies frequently have different licensing for applications that are being used "for business." - EricaJoy
I was actually thinking of a different but related issue, Erica, which is why I didn't plan on putting work-related stuff in the program... which also means that (in good faith) I'd be still using it for personal stuff. - Adam Lasnik
I dunno, I've bought single licenses that allow for install on a second machine provided it's primarily used only by moi. So your scenario seems like that to me, just with the extra machine. And since you can't, without some really impressive juggling, use all three licenses at once, I don't fully understand why they want to make you buy two. I don't think they'd really be losing money by letting you do what you want. - Jaemi Kehoe
And in the event that you ever had a FOURTH machine, you might be more likely to buy another license if you were pleased with them. - Jaemi Kehoe
torque, I'm glad you like this conversation! I really do respect and appreciate the tough decisions that companies have to make when they've invested so much time and money into making a product that many might simply grab without paying for. In fact, while I'd typically shout "remove the DRM, dammit!", I then get jolted into reality when I read about how jerks have pirated even an amazing $20 game by an indie developer http://bit.ly/VQug :\. - Adam Lasnik
If you do the install on a USB key, why do you have to keep the data on it? You weren't going to put the data on the flash drive if you installed the app on three different hard drives, were you? I would think something happening to the flash drive would lose that installation of the program, not the unique data, itself. Seems to me the solution would be to buy a new USB drive and do a new install. - MiniMage
Ah, very good point, MiniMage! Hadn't thought of that (I planned to keep the data files on Dropbox). Still, though, would be kinda a pain to always carry around the USB stick, not to mention be constantly plugging it in and out, no? - Adam Lasnik
Yes, that would be a pain. Do they license server installs? Do you have a server that could serve apps? - MiniMage
How on earth is a server going to help if the laptop is remote??? And I feel you Adam. - Roberto Bonini
If the licensing isn't differentiated, a server install could serve two computers at work, and the standalone at home could be the second install. Now, if two computers are remote, I suppose it won't help much; it'd probably be slow as molasses via VPN. Of course, I'm speculating about stuff I don't really know about; I'm just a desktop tech. I use server apps; I don't get to install/support them. That privilege is reserved for people other organizations have trained. :( - MiniMage
Licenses for similar software are similarly restrictive. The one for OneNote for example can go on 3 computers if you have the Student Edition, right? Lot of software isn't that upfront either; you find out when you activate that you can't take it with you. Honestly, i was happy to see my $250 got me two licenses: that's just 125/install instead of 250/install... TheBrain is well worth it & they've seen there product stolen already so... - Ruud Hein
It's interesting to ponder how the situation might be different if the software in question were a service (web-based or otherwise). Granted, you'd probably be paying per unit time, but there would be no question of "which" machine it was installed on -- probably just a prohibition on running it simultaneously on a single account. I've never understood why more desktop software vendors don't do that; perhaps just that people are used to paying a single fee for installed software? - Joel Webber
Ruud, I think that that model isn't going to survive. Young people today aren't (IMHO) buying office, buying PersonalBrain. They're doing everything online, where there are monthly fees (use anywhere) or no fees (directly or indirectly advertiser sponsored). I'm 37, and in all my geekiness and all my software/service experiences, I can't recall a single instance of a program that has such strictly limited installs. iTunes/Rhapsody songs are... 3 or 5 computers? Even even that DRM seems on the way out. - Adam Lasnik
I just don't think people, especially young people, can even fathom pay-by-install. And Joel, as for pay-per-use-hour, that's an intriguing idea, but IMHO also doomed to failure. For many products, the more use = the more one sees the value = the more evangelism. Pay-by-hour seems like such a relic of the time when computing power / bandwidth was crazy-expensive. In today's multi-tasking world, it'd also be infuriating (how many of us dedicate 100% of our personal CPUs to one web/software app at a time? :P - Adam Lasnik
Agreed: I think the software-sales model is broke - dot. Subscription is the way to go although in the Evernote forum some discuss how *that* keeps them hostage... I think PB should let me do with the install as I wish -- but failing that I do think they have the right ... and that it's worth it. - Ruud Hein
I can get two hamburgers for $2.50, should I steal a third one? Seriously Adam, it doesn't really matter if the model is broken or not, if software licensing has a future or not, those are just the restrictions that they have. It's how they have built their licensing system (and software costs money to make :-), especially software that is not used by gazillions of people). Going from... more... - John Mueller
John, normally I respect your brilliance, but I gotta heartily disagree with your analogies and reasoning here. 1) Hamburgers cost per item. Software does not. It would not cost the company any more if I used it on 3 computers instead of 2. In fact, their revenue would increase by possibly $250 ;). 2) I wasn't advocating a move from $ to ads. As I noted, I'm quite happy to pay for software and have done so frequently. 3) I see absolutely no relationship between size of a company and licensing model. - Adam Lasnik
Actually, hamburgers cost close to nothing per item; It does however cost quite a bit to be able to sell them to you. The thing is, these companies have built their business on being able to sell you a license for a certain number of computers. You might not like that model, but that's the way they are calculating costs, the way they're paying for overhead and the ability to provide the... more... - John Mueller
I used to run a software company so it's something I spent a lot of time on :-). Changing a licensing model is a lot of work and you can't just say $X/2PCs/user is unfair compared to $Y/user or $Z/year. In the end, the overhead (of creating, distributing & supporting the software) has to be paid for just the same -- how it's split up is (simplified) based on marketing. Marketing changes... more... - John Mueller
To clarify, John, while I have to admit to some temptation to bittorrenting in this case, I wasn't seriously planning (and do not plan) to violate the license agreement. Rather, I plan on not further evaluating the software and simply finding an alternative. And despite your arguments, I still think it's a lousy marketing decision, a lousy way to calculate costs. I mean, they could say "People should pay based upon the sum of the letters in their last name" and I'd see that as only slightly less arbitrary. - Adam Lasnik
This sort of thing makes my head hurt. There was a time, until recently, where My husband and I each had a desktop and a laptop. We like to travel, so we needed some software on our laptops. It was frustrating to run into this situation where we'd have the software on one laptop and one desktop. That meant a lot of switching seats in the office and travel sucked because we'd have to trade off laptop tops to finish our projects. This is one of the reasons we're trending more open source and cloud for our biz - Anika
I agree, Adam, in your case it sucks and to be honest, in your situation I'd think twice about it too. I don't think there is ever a perfect licensing model. When we sold software for $2000/user, we'd get people who say they're only working part-time and couldn't we give them a discount, etc. Sure, if you're working 30% it seems really unfair to pay the same as someone who's working... more... - John Mueller
I just noticed sharing files through dropbox is not working any more. I used to share free version files through dropbox, but recently found that all the links to pages drag-and-dropped into the app won't save the URL as it used to. And it won't even let you copy-paste the link into the Notes – whatever you posted disappears in a matter of seconds if you're adding it on one computer (at work) and forgot to close it leaving home. Their licensing really sucks. - earlyadopter
Derrick
Cheese Enchiladas
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My first time making these Tex-Mex style cheese enchiladas and onions with a chili gravy (from scratch!) but it couldn't have been easier. Can't wait to dig in. - Derrick
Yummy! - Anne Bouey
Oh damn, they are NOM. - Derrick
Come to San Jose and cook me dinner? Purty please? - EricaJoy
Yes :) - Michael W. May
I love the bay area, EJ. Just sayin' ;) MWM, I *finally* made them. I hope I enjoy them as much as you enjoyed yours, my friend. - Derrick
your feed always makes me hungry! - Neya
*bump* for JA. - Derrick
omggggg :-) - کاوه
ZOMG...why you gotta front like that?! Good thing I already had dinner! :P - JA Castillo
Enchilada bump. I need to make these again soon. - Derrick
My oven gets fixed tomorrow. Then get the hell out of the way. - Derrick
liking again - Michael W. May
why can't I like this again?!?! - holly #ravingfangirl
Damn, those are made with LARD. I bet those are amazing. - Trish R
move back to LA so you can invite me over. Or, wait, I'll just move there. Or, even better, I'll invent teleportation! Enchiladas inspire innovation. - Jason Toney
This is almost a year ago! Dang! - Derrick
WANT! NAO! - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
It has been decided: I'm making these for us for dinner tomorrow night. Pretty sure I'll halve the recipe, however. - Akiva
But if you do the whole recipe you can use the leftovers in scrambled eggs over the weekend! Super yum! - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
That is a lot of enchiladas for two peopLe. Wonder if they'd freeze. - Akiva
I bet they would, Akiva. Maybe make them in two 8x8 pans? - Derrick
Let us know, Akiva! I want to know how the tortillas hold up in the freezer. - LB hates stale candy!
If you reheat them in the microwave with a wet paper towel, they SHOULD rehydrate. Theoretically. - Akiva
I made these 2 days ago and froze the leftovers in individual serving containers. I'm going to heat one up for lunch today. - Trish R
DANG IT. This makes me hungry every time it's bumped. - LB hates stale candy!
Trish, I expect a full report. IN TRIPLICATE. - Akiva
Dear Derrick: I am pining for your enchiladas. And a hug. And perhaps a margarita, but definitely the enchiladas & hug.<3, Warmaiden - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Oh shit. What a genius idea. I should buy the elements I need to build margaritas to go along with tonight's dinner. - Akiva
You should make charro beans, too. They're really good alongside them. http://recipeland.com/recipe... - Trish R
Except that charro beans have meat in them. - Akiva
I make them without meat. Just leave out the bacon. - Trish R
I may take you up on this. I've just found that recipes that require dropping bacon tend to produce unsatisfactory vegetarian versions. Have you ever had a good BLT without the bacon? DIDN'T THINK SO, TRISH. DIDN'T THINK SO. - Akiva
That makes sense but I didn't miss it. I also used a can of Ro-tel instead of the fresh tomatoes because I"m lazy. I thought it was good. - Trish R
Actually, Rotel [and don't tell Rochelle but Bacon Salt] might be good replacements. The Rotel will add more substance [and don't tell Rochelle but the Bacon Salt would add, well, bacon-y goodness]. - Akiva
HOLD DA PHONE. I just closely examined Derrick's recipe: CORN TORTILLAS? WTF IS THIS ATROCITY - Akiva
FYI: They're just as delicious reheated after being frozen. Not dry at all using the microwave. - Trish R
These are so good. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Bump. - Derrick
Gimmeh. - RepoRat
Trying to like again. - Micah
So, are these THE enchiladas? Or just really yummy looking ones? - Jennifer Dittrich
I may have to try these. - John (bird whisperer)
Dang. Every time these pop up in my feed. - Derrick
Bump. - Derrick
Thanks Derrick! - LibrarianOnTheLoose
:) - Derrick
I wanted to like this again. - Akiva
^ Haha. Me too! - CAJ hates pants
I made these for my mom several months ago. She just asked for the recipe so she can make them for a New Years party. - Rochelle
Paul Buchheit
"Remember: I blame FriendFeed for this, and Robert Scoble, Steve Rubell, Dave Winer, and all the rest of the puppets and ex-Techcrunch analysts who, by appearing to rationally debate the pluses and minuses of FriendFeed versus Twitter, suggest FriendFeed even exists in the absence of Twitter. Nik Cubrilovic doesn’t help either with his cogent (except for the Rails part) analysis of Twitter’s scaling problems. Nowhere in this debate (most of it mercifully hidden forever behind the FriendFeed black hole where conversations go to die) was there a word spoken about the fatal Track bug until Jack hit the Off switch. Now, in the cool clarity of no pulse whatsoever can we begin to rationally approach a solution. Forgetting that Hillary has shown no indication of processing the similar lack of pulse in her White House aspirations, let’s put the blame for all this squarely on the parasite API suckers and their dark master FriendFeed. Good." - Paul Buchheit
I accuse my parents (a little MST3K humor) - Mark Dykeman
My guess is that a good deal of folks who are otherwise technology experts haven't yet mastered the "Hide" option, and seeing Twitter in FriendFeed makes them feel it's simply an echo chamber for Twitter. Hiding Twitter, and/or utilizing the many other sources that are not Twitter here in FriendFeed makes it more valuable. - Louis Gray
Someone pass around what Steve Gillmor is smoking. That is some heavy stuff he's got in his stash. I think I counted 10 words he seriously made up for that post. And why is friendfeed to blame for the XMPP/Jabber shutdown? - Mark Trapp
WTF? This guy reminds me of Gary Busey, but angrier, if that's even possible. - April Buchheit
This article simply doesn't make any sense. Please reword for clarity. - Eric Florenzano
This is very amusing :-) - j1m
I was afraid when I saw "?" there. And now...no comment... :S - Erhan Erdoğan
Is he kidding? I hope he's kidding. FriendFeed exists with or without twitter. In fact, I would love to see twitter removed from FriendFeed altogether. Guaranteed there would still be plenty of conversations revolving around the links shared, the pictures posted, etc. - EricaJoy
I don't follow Twitter at all on FriendFeed. I find it somewhat ironic that one of Steve G's big passions was (is?) "Attention Metadata" and FriendFeed via likes, comments, etc is actually a service that makes great use of attention metadata! - Robert Seidman
I enjoy that this Friendfeed post has more comments than his post on TechCrunch. - Mark Trapp
This is the most buzzword-laden web 2.0 rant I have ever read. It's like he is making words up to describe stuff every other paragraph or so. And.. what's this jab at Clinton in the middle? How random. - Phil Glockner
FriendFeed direct posts are really similar to Twitter in my mind. - Hutch Carpenter
@Paul can you share the percentage of FF users that hide twitter posts? - EricaJoy
Gillmor refuses to realize that the comment feature of FriendFeed does indeed add value that Twitter lacks. That's probably the key reason why I MOVED MY conversations to FriendFeed! Also, the sharing feature is the reason why I like FriendFeed! IF I merely wanted the 'stream of consciousness' of Twitter, I would just use Twitter! I think that FriendFeed 'exposes' the 'chinks in Twitter's armor' - Thomas Ho from fftogo
I think that Mark Trapp's observation is 'priceless' - Thomas Ho from fftogo
It sounds like Gillmor hasn't given FriendFeed nearly enough time if he thinks it's only "Twitter, but slower". I have a great time on here with Twitter hidden half of the time. If anything, let's blame Twitter for so much noise and/or so much conversation due to their issues - Andrew Dobrow
FriendFeed can definitely make it without Twitter...so many conversations occur without Twitter being involved at all. - Chris Rossini
That... made no sense to me. Still dazed from the insanity of it all. I see more conversations here on links and such than on tweets. And really, why is FriendFeed to blame for the Jabber shutdown? Seriously! - dgw
Hilarious - Aviv
Twitter is probably the least interesting feed I see on FriendFeed. - Adam Thorsen
funniest ever on tc - kosmar
This whole article was most undirectional article, I have read in recent times. I read it twice, and can't make out, what he want to say. - Varun Mahajan
Adam, same here. I personally find the vast majority of twitter messages to be extremely boring and of no use to me. - Aviv
Where are these "siloed conversation spamyards" to which he refers? You could say that about any chat system (if I understand his rather obtuse meaning) and FF discussions are quite cogent and open. (And seem especially so if you've ever spent any time in the Digg comments.) - Nicķ
I usually keep the Twitter FF feed open. FF is definitely NOT the only app pulling on Twitter's API. Hundreds of sites, clients, etc?. Twitter had (maybe has) time to distinguish itself. Just 'come clean' with regular community updates. (PR time?) So far it's been lame. In the meantime, there's no doubt Friendfeed will continue to increase it's pull. Twitter put the API out there. THEY need to deal with the results, whether they were ready or not - Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed is what you put in to it. If you add all your Twitter friends and nobody else, FriendFeed will appear to be Twitter with siloed conversations, but in that case that's exactly what you asked for. If you don't add a thousand people as friends and convince a thousand people to follow you then you won't see any of this 'spam graveyard' Steve talks about. You get what you ask for, and irrelevance is what you get if you add irrelevant friends. - Kevin Fox
It's also worth noting how much FriendFeed thrived when Twitter had its difficulties this week. That would seem to put a hole in the argument that FriendFeed is primarily a downstream service to Twitter. - Kevin Fox
Yea Cat fight !!!! - viki saigal
OK friendfeed is NOT twitter. Its something else, and I like both. (sticks out tongue)...via feedalizr - Photo Larry
man, I honestly care jack shit about what people post on Twitter, but I find FF incredibly useful. Gillmor is seriously off his rocker with this post (which is the least legible I've seen on TC in a long time). - Chieze Okoye
4 years passed, all the comments are still valid. #humdaybumpday - Ahmet Yükseltürk
Bret Taylor
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api... - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it. - Mark Trapp
very nice. great work! - Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-) - Jesse Stay
Great!!! - YungSang from FriendFoo
nice! - Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats! - Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope - Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages? - Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed. - Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks! - Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line? - Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget. - Mark Trapp
Thanks God it is New API. - AlpB. from iPod
Nice progress here with this release! - Micah
I love it! - friday night
Why is wget questionable? - Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle. - Mark Trapp
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create - Joe Dawson
doublepluslike - Vezquex
curl FTW. - Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job. - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-) - Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :) - Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;) - Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!! - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone - abdellah from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed! - EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key. - Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version? - Jesper Lind
Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
To Sean: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN YOU JOKE ABOUT GOOGLE WAVE INVITES. What? You thought I was kidding????
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YOU GET YOUR ASS ROASTED BY A GIANT ROBOT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
That is awesome Kamilah. The robot is Mo right? - NOT THE CRICKET
Totally worth it. - Steele Lawman
Yes, Mo asked to participate in the Ass Roasting. I wasn't really serious about it until Mo asked. Then I had to make it exist. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
LMAO, Kamilah so awesome, but you missed Sean's half-stache and goatee. Those would have made it even more awesome. - NOT THE CRICKET
aw, shoot. I checked, but I wasn't sure about the status of his facial hair. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
This is THE. BEST. THING. ON. THE. INTERNET. EVER. *weeps for joy* - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
I'm tempted to lie about it just to see what I'd look like in one of your illustrations - chrisofspades
Excellent! - Katy S
LOL! Get him, Mo! Mo never misses his target! :) - directeur
The 1st pic of Audrey sneezing is so great. And I love "Pew Pew Pew." Great stuff, Kamilah! - Ayşe E.
*dumbstruck by the awesome* - Mo Kargas
Kamilah...I think I love you :) - Mo Kargas
I see the happy sloth! Cool! - Anne Bouey
Excellent! - Kol Tregaskes
So what will Kamilah, Princess Wave, sell her sketchbook for? It should be in the FriendFeed museum. - Louis Gray
Unholy mother of God! That's bad @$$ - Adrian
GOT DAMN, YOU'RE TALENTED! - Spidra Webster
oh, though sketch is good, ever had an exhibition? - testbeta
I always knew it. The first time I saw Mo Kargas on FF, I knew he could roast asses with his eyes. - Joshua
Thanks, everyone :) I don't know that I can sell the original sketchbook, it's really my personal journal. As I say from time to time, though, my goal is to do some larger drawings and paintings, and eventually I hope to sell those, I just need, like, 48 hours in a day to get everything done... it's going to happen somehow, soon. I have had some of my work exhibited at various times,... more... - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, you're here! You should subscribe to me. :) - EricaJoy
What happens if I subscribe to you, Erica? Is something in particular happening over on your feed? - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Nothing interesting happening on my feed but I bet $100 I could make your day. :) - EricaJoy
Really, now? Alright then, I'll bite... - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
What is it about giant robots? I dunno. But they are full of win. Case in point: http://tinyurl.com/ydzws8s - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
By the way Kamilah? I want the MoBot on a t-shirt.... Pleeeaaaasssseeee??? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Yes, giant robots are made of win. I dunno, Barry... last time I tried to make a t-shirt, people got all excited but no-one bought it (DYSP!). I might just make a design but not bother to try setting up a Spreadshirt (or whichever one it was that I used) for it. I'll have to see. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Can you do pre-oders through paypal? - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
I could do that somehow, I guess. I've taken payments through PayPal before. I wonder what pose the MoBot should be in? Have some source material I could work from? - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, you are truly Princess Wave! Awesome, totally awesome! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Kamilah - this very well might be the art post that makes best of day and becomes part of a meta-sketch project. :-) - Katy S
Ya, JUST for this drawing, Sean. :P And Mo. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Robots are hot stuff right now - you should add this to the Spreadshirt marketplace! - spreadshirtcom
*another bump* because I love it so. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
this is great. i especially love the sloth! - edythe
Yay! Sneezy. :) - Rochelle
BUMPAGE - Mo Kargas
*bump* because it still makes me laugh and because I wish I had laser eyes like Mo... PEW PEW PEW! - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
and because Haggis' word balloon says "ow may ass!" - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
*bump* for MOTO - Katy S
Does this make it bump? - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I've got still a few Google Wave invites... anyone? - Jemm
I love this so - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte from Android
THANKS KAMILAH! - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
:) Wow, how times have changed... - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
"Roast Ass" -------> "Ow! My Ass" - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte from Android
*sagenod* - Mo Kargas
Louis Gray
Erica Joy - Google+ - Delicious spawn of +Louis Gray. #gplushalloween - https://plus.google.com/1130972...
Erica Joy - Google+ - Delicious spawn of +Louis Gray. #gplushalloween
Help! Erica is attacking Braden! - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet
They're very tender and marbled at that age. - Spidra Webster
SO CREEPY! Awesome! - Stephen Mack
Escape, Braden! Go down the slide and get away! - John E. Bredehoft
Braden seems to have regenerative powers. He survives to this day, much to my amazement. - EricaJoy
Paul Buchheit
New head shots. Which should I use?
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#1, then #3. Not #2. - Louis Gray
1st - 大白猫
1 - Johnny
What Louis said, "#1, then #3. Not #2." - NOT THE CRICKET
I like the third one. - Derrick
I vote # 3 - djchuang
#3 - pala
#2, you look thoughtful and trustworthy. - Stephen Mack
#3, #1 looks too mug-shotish and #2 looks a bit ... smug. #3 says you're an amiable confident guy. (Or that's what *I* see FWIW) - AJ Kohn
Love the smile in #3! - vicster: full-bodied
I'd have to say none of the above. I guess I'm officially an old fogey now, but I'd button the shirt. - David desJardins
3. i like 3. - Roberto Bonini
3 is the best. 2. looks a bit too i-made-him-an-offer-he-couldn't-refuse and 1 is all sign-up-for-my-newsletter-for-tip-on-gaming-the-google - Rahsheen
What Louis said, in that order. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
#3 - Corinne L
#3 - Kevin L
#1 - Jérôme
#1 looks like a badge photo. #2 makes you look like you're smug and cocky. #3 is the winner. Friendly and open. - EricaJoy
I like the first one. I think you look friendly - Julie Parker
3 - tab from BuddyFeed
#1 = everything looks just right, #2 = too pompous, #3 = 笑点低 (so easy to be amused) - 大白猫
I think you should use your FF profile picture, but barring that, the third one is my favorite of the three above. - Jim: with more caffeine!
I thought you only wanted to use the original one you used back in the day at google. BUT 3. - Ru Viljoen
3 - Bren
That's a big brainy meditative dome. :) Lots of cogitation going on there obviously. #3. - Sean McBride
3 is more interesting. Not 2. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
#3, then #1. - Ruchira S. Datta
I've always been partial to http://img.labnol.org/images... especially with you being an angel and all... - Kevin Fox
Third one - AJ Batac
I like #3 the best... - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
do you have any of brad pitt? hee hee....just kidding.... - Morgan
3 has the best smile and looks the least posed. - Bruce Lewis
I love 'em all. :) - April Buchheit
While I am thinking of it: why I really like Paul Buchheit? He has given the world some amazing, innovative and elegant software, much of which I have used with great pleasure. Thanks, Paul! - Sean McBride
#1 - Vishy
#3, but it depends if you want to be in commercials or the theater: http://www.headshots101.com/commerc... :) - Simon
#3 if you don't go with Kevin's suggestion - Anne Bouey
#3 - Shevonne
Not 2. You look either uncomfortable or inauthentic or both. The other pics are both great. - Laura Norvig from iPod
I like 3. There is unfortunate distortion caused by your glasses in 2 and 3 but your smile is best in 3. - Benjamin Golub
#3 - didn't look at comments before I answered, but I was tempted! Never met you in person but either #1or #3 seem the most like the person I *think* you are. - Liza + = ?
Now looking at comments - this is a very cool game! We draw so many conclusions when looking at a photo! - Liza + = ?
3 - YaPaY
3, angle + smile = win - Todd Hoff
Definitely the third one! - Technogran
Third - Martha
third - Comics Forge
I like the third one. A class portrait view. The first is too standard. The second not smiling enough. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Yes, No. 3! Extra points for multiple buttons unbuttoned. SKIN TO WIN!! - Harold Cabezas
1 and 3rd 2nd one is a bit odd to atleast - testbeta
where 'd you get that black shirt btw? - testbeta
What about using the Friendfeed avatar vs. #3 - now that is A/B testing. - Liza + = ?
#2 or #3. I like #2 - Imabug
#3 - Surya
What's the headshot for? I vote #1. #3's great too. - Dan Hsiao
#1 - Ashish
#2 is like Politician #1 like normal guy #3 looks like advertisement for Tooth Paste. - Suresh S
Louis Gray
Apparently @ericajoy and other Googlers were in on a Christmas surprise/hoax with my wife. I am now typing from the CR-48. Yay. :) #chromeos
I had suspicions it had arrived and yet she hid it, but when asked directly, she denied everything. All week. She's lucky I didn't write a rant post against Google. Argh. :) - Louis Gray
Cunning wife-unit is cunning. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
Wife unit cannot be trusted. - Louis Gray
Also, she is AWESOME! - Lisa L. Seifert
Excellent. - DGentry
Hehehe. Wife unit is awesome. That blog post she wrote sparked the whole idea. :) - EricaJoy
Beautiful! How do you like it? - Martha
:) great ending to such a sad tale! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
LOL Nice. First impressions...??? - Harold Cabezas
I read your post and was curious how I missed this! Great post BTW - I want a Galaxy Tab now! - Liza + = ?
Wonder if she has a brother... - Liza + = ?
EricaJoy
*dead* :) - Derrick
That explains the Joy part of the name. - Louis Gray
...I like the 3rd from the left, or the 2nd from the right. :) - .LAG liked that
Now there's a smile I haven't seen recently. :) - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Now here's proof that you can look up in a photo and not look like an idiot. APPROVAL RATING 100%. - Akiva
Heh. Drew Olanoff asked me to post these. Had it not been Drew, these would have remained in the private PWA they've lived in for the past 2 years. :) - EricaJoy
...Love this. ::) - Harold Cabezas
Tudor Bosman
Vonage Voicemail transcribed Mark's name first as "Mark Tucker Bruce", then as "Mark Sucker But".
You should totally call him Mark Sucker But from now on. - EricaJoy
Brett Kelly
Ok, so I built a little tool to batch-unsubscribe from FriendFeed users. It will be styled later, but it does the job. http://ffbatch.brettkelly.org - please test it out and let me know if it breaks :)
Hi Brett, could you contact me via ahmetalpbalkan-gmail.com , please? - Alp
Alp - I'm at b@brettkelly.org if you'd like to chat - Brett Kelly from iPhone
Alp wants to be King of the FF ecosystem :) - Jérôme from iPhone
Really? Why? - Brett Kelly from email
ah, yeah, I actually meant to do that before posting it :) - Brett Kelly from IM
No, don't bother hiding the passphrase. How often are you using something like this from a public computer, or where someone can see your screen? - Michael R. Bernstein
Brett, it would be nice if the tool showed some metrics next to each name (comments, likes, some kind of mutual compatibility or engagement measure) and let you sort by that as well. - Michael R. Bernstein
This is great Brett! Is the source somewhere or is it closed source? - EricaJoy
I may open the source up at some point, but I have large plans for the FF API (not necessarily selling anything, but plans nonetheless). We'll see how it goes :) - Brett Kelly
No worries, what I want to do isn't possible yet anyhow. :) - EricaJoy from IM
What do you want to do? - Brett Kelly
Create a way to subscribe to all subscribers. Subscribers aren't exposed via the API (yet) so this seems either very hard or impossible now. - EricaJoy from IM
To subscribe to all her subscribers http://friendfeed.com/ericajo... - Jérôme
I said that already. :P - EricaJoy from IM
actually, you could probably scrape somebody's subscribers fairly easily (until the API supports it, anyway). - Brett Kelly from IM
Brett, could your page have a link to the remote key page? Perhaps open the window in a new tab. - Kol Tregaskes
Could the characters for the remote key also be masked? - Kol Tregaskes
Is it possible to select all/none plus select by friends lists? - Kol Tregaskes
Need select all button :) - Live Crunch Blog
what's my remote key? - BEX
BEX, you'll see it by going here (you have to be logged in of course): http://friendfeed.com/remotek... - Micah
link not working :( - Vinay Aswal
Gracias...thank you my friend - Caridad Tovar
Jeanette Bosman
OOH OOH AAH AAH
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I say: Super cute! Steve says: She looks like she does not want to be wearing that. - EricaJoy
She actually didn't seem to mind it too much. The fabric is super soft and cozy. However, the dazed expression is likely due to the big dose of acetaminophen we gave her because she started teething tonight. She was sooo woozy. - Jeanette Bosman
once they turn 6 months old they can also take ibuprofen, which lasts 6 hours instead of 4 (and it isn't bad for the liver) - Robert Felty
ADORABLE!!! - Rachel Lea Fox
Yep, we're counting the days until we can give her ibuprofen. Unfortunately, she's still only 3.5 months old! OF COURSE she would be an early teether, cause mama isn't tired enough already :) - Jeanette Bosman
Tudor Bosman
Christine O'Donnell must be some sort of elaborate prank. I mean, why is she getting any media coverage? Isn't she absolutely ridiculous? People actually voted for her in the primary because they wanted her elected to the US Senate? This is a ploy by the Democratic party to destabilize the GOP even more, right?
That noise is my faith in humanity slipping away. Idiocracy, here we come. - Tudor Bosman
"Ow my Balls!" will be aired on TLC in 2013. - EricaJoy
Or: "Jackass is an American stunt and prank show, originally shown on MTV from 2000 to 2002, featuring people performing various dangerous, crude, ridiculous, and self-injuring stunts and pranks. [...] Since 2002, two Jackass theatrical films, with a third currently in post-production, have been produced and released" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) - Tudor Bosman
And yes, the new Jackass movie will be in 3D. - Tudor Bosman
Erica: "Ow My Balls!" is just a spinoff of "America's Funniest Home Videos". - Kevin Fox
The current political scene is to proper politics as World Wrestling Entertainment is to "real wresting". - Sue - Friendfeed is best
The belief that WWE is "real" probably correlates very well with liking Palin, O'Donnell, and their ilk. - Tudor Bosman
Here's the problem: There are always going to be more stupid people in the world than smart...and democracy lets the idiots elect their own. This works no matter what party you vote for or represent. This is why the Founding Fathers wanted a representative republic and why Thomas Jefferson repeated things along the lines of "political parties will be the death of this country"...they wanted to insulate the stupid people from putting themselves in this position. - Ryan Kaisoglus
Louis Gray
First photos of Braden Gray, less than one day old!
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Baby! Pictures prove he is real. Doing much better than last night. Just over 6 pounds. - Louis Gray from email
BABBY! LG: Life is Good! - Josh Haley
Congrats again! Maşallah (: - Hakan Deryal
OMG LG V3.0 is here already. Is this The Stream in action? - Thomas Power
What a good looking panda - RAPatton
Congrats! - Abhishek
Congrats! :) - Oguz Serdar
congrats to Kristine the real productive actor(ess) in this place. Tx - Thomas Power
Congratulations! He looks amazing. - kendrak
Congrats Louis! - Peter Simoons
Photos taken surreptitiously on the HTC EVO in a no cell phone zone. :) - Louis Gray
Sly Daddy is sly! - Josh Haley
Congratulations! All the best!!! - Arne Krueger
Congrats, Louis! - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Congrats Louis! - Roberto Bonini
Congrats Louis! - EricaJoy
Hi Babby! Congratulations Gray Family! - vicster: full-bodied
Handsome little dude! - Anne Bouey
So cute, Congrats! - NOT THE CRICKET
Congrats Louis! - stanjourdan
He's beautiful! Congrats! - Lis
Congrats to Gray family! I'm guessing from the second and third pics that you must have told him sleep is unproductive and a waste of time - Tamara
Congrats! - John (bird whisperer)
Congratulations and welcome! - Maria Niles
So beautiful! Congratulations! - Lisa L. Seifert from Android
welcome Braden! - metalerik
Congrats! - Jay from Cadmus
Very awesome, congratulations Dad and Mom!! - Dan Holden
I still haven't actually had contact with said BABBY, so this is fairly virtual. :) - Louis Gray
Aww, he's trying to open his eyes and look around. - DGentry from Android
I wanna say some tradational things for him:) ''maşallah'' it means god keeps and protects him :) He is so cute:) - Lillith
congrats! - Comics Forge
Congrats Gray family! For a bit premie, 6 lbs is really good. I can't imagine the baby being in NICU too long. - Rob Diana
Congrats!!! - Michael Fidler
121 likes! I thought R. Scoble said there only 30 people here :) - Jeff (Team マクダジ )
welcome Braden! - Starmama
congrats what a sweetie. - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
Thanks for all the feedback, guys. This set now joins one of my favorite searches of all time! :) http://friendfeed.com/search... - Louis Gray
awwwwwwwwwww - Eric - Back to the Grill
Hello sweet boy! He's the second Braden I know - and the name Braden Gray is so money. Congrats to you and your baby mama. - Corinne L
Welcome to the world, Braden! You're a cute little peanut. Daddy hates those plastic packages with all the twistie ties, but it's for your own good. (guess he forgot to order the frustration-free packaging option. Oh well.) You'll be outta that thing playing and striking a pose with your brother and sister in no time! Just enjoy the spa and chillax for a little while. baby kisses, Love TheMacMommy & her babies - #LD & #KD - Melissa Davis
Congratulations! - Solveigh Calderin
Gz, gz !! :) You are one lucky guy :) - Ronald
Congrats! - Barbara R. S.
allah bağışlasın. allah analı babalı büyütsün :P anlamaz ki wlin gavuru - ben beğenmedim
Congrats! Braden is a handsome guy! and wish the best to mom and dad! Where a child there blessings are flowing. RFG - Raffaella Grassi
"I still haven't actually had contact with said BABY, so this is fairly virtual. :)".. Technology at it's best! Congratulations Louis! - Sadie Murray
Jérôme
This is cool.
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I fail to understand. - Richard A.
Looks like on the fly OCR, properly parsed into contact data. That is win. - EricaJoy
Richard, it's one possible use of the new Google Goggles product http://www.techcrunch.com/2009.... It recognize the text on visit cards and makes it useful. That's a pretty convincing application of Google's mission IMO. - Jérôme
I was just thinking how much I would like smartphone OCR. - Andrew C (✔)
If you have this installed on your Android phone, for fun go to Amazon and start taking pictures of book covers. Its nuts! - EricaJoy
Another reason to get an androphone soon, very soon ;-) - stanjourdan
Erica, the existing Amazon Android app does book covers. And so does the standalone app SnapTell. =) - Andrew C (✔)
;) - EricaJoy from IM
Just DL'ed from Android Market. Doesn't work all the time but very cool! - Mike Reynolds
Took a picture of a bag of potato chips and got some demon wicca sex blogs. But then took a picture of a coffee table art book that's just a figurative painting on cover and it correctly identified it as a Julian Schnabel book. Definitely entertaining but definitely labs level results. - Hayes Haugen
Can't see it in the [Canadian] Market. Does it work with Android 1.5? - Andrew C (✔)
Nope, 1.6 and newer. Turning into a trend. - Hayes Haugen
Then Rogers *really* needs to get off their asses and release the 1.6 update. - Andrew C (✔)
Ahhhh.so it's for people with crappy input devices ;-). One day will people have forgotten how to type. It's a good idea. We'll see when they make it available to all platforms. - Richard A.
If a device hasn't been updated to 1.6 already I don't think it's likely it ever will be. Everyone has their hands full with 2.0.1. - Hayes Haugen
Ergh, maybe I'll just root the phone then. =P - Andrew C (✔)
There is an app called CardReader for the iPhone (3GS or better) that can scan a business card, send it to a server to OCR it, then import that info into a new contact. It works pretty good on standard looking cards, but fails when the cards have a busy background or such. - Ken Gidley
Tudor Bosman
FreeBSD / ZFS box is up!
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Now installing Samba and MediaTomb. - Tudor Bosman
Yay! Now clean up the office. :) - Jeanette Bosman
I'm doing the same thing this weekend. - Scott Ludwig
Does it have a time-slider equivalent? The integration into nautilus is a nice touch in opensolaris. - Eric Borisch
s/MediaTomb/Firefly/ as I wanted something that iTunes recognizes. - Tudor Bosman
8.94T: 5 * 2TB drives (- 40GB reserved for the root fs), raidz1. - Tudor Bosman
@Tudor What is Firefly? Got a link? - EricaJoy
http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ although the site seems down at the moment. Search for "Firefly media server" (formerly known as mt-daapd) - Tudor Bosman
sweeet - Logan Lindquist
Also, I love the FreeBSD ports collection (which Gentoo tried to imitate). cd /usr/ports/devel/git; make install will fetch git, build it, and install it, and automatically deal with any dependencies as they arrive. - Tudor Bosman
Another option is pkg_add -r git which will install a binary package compiled with default options, and resolve dependencies. - Scott Ludwig from iPhone
Okay, nested dependencies work just fine until you find a package that depends on TeX. Why does my little storage box need latex and amstex and mkfontdir and dvips and...? - Tudor Bosman
Because you need PDFs of the documentation, of course! - Eric Borisch
In many languages, apparently. /usr/ports/print/latex-cjk/scripts/installt1enc.sh arb5sung arb5sung.ttf Bg5 Generating Type 1 subfonts arb5sung from arb5sung.ttf [Bg5 planes: 1-55]: - Tudor Bosman
This is apparently all caused by updating the freebsd-doc-en package, which regenerates all forms of documentation from scratch. - Tudor Bosman
One of my disks appears bad, hopefully it's the cable.ad8: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 timed out LBA=766744255 - Tudor Bosman
Yep, RMAing now. - Tudor Bosman
Two more disks are showing read errors, including the boot disk. This is not good at all. Maybe WD actually qualifies RAID-level drives, and rebrands the crappy ones (with bad sectors which auto-remap) as consumer-level. With auto-remapping turned off, errors start creeping in within days. - Tudor Bosman
I'll investigate this more, of course, by mounting the bad disks into a different machine and looking at SMART output, but so far it smells of a bad batch of drives. - Tudor Bosman
How hot are they getting? (It's in the SMART data) ... We had a fan go out on a drive tower (and the 'dead fan' alarm didn't sound -- wonderful) and we smoked at least three drives before figuring out what was going on. - Eric Borisch
Eric: While trying to stress the disks with a few dd commands running in parallel, I can't get them to heat up above 26 degrees Celsius. I'd say that cooling inside my box works well. The two newly failed disks have 5 UNCorrectable sectors each -- and that's just because the SMART buffer only remembers the last 5 errors. - Tudor Bosman
Maybe I just got a bad batch, but at this point I would recommend against using WD20EADS drives for anything. - Tudor Bosman
yeah, the EADS aren't so good. The ABYS series have been super reliable in comparison, but I don't think they go up to that many TB. - Private Sanjeev
incidentally the drives are physically different (the mechanicals are more vibration-resistant on enterprise drives), so WD doesn't just rebrand flaky drives. - Private Sanjeev
Any opinions on the new, 4-platter WD RE4 RAID edition drives? They're 2TB, expensive as hell, but there may be deals to be had. Alternatively, the Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB. - Tudor Bosman
I have a bunch of EADS drives (4x1TB, 4x1.5TB) and I haven't seen any problems. Might just be a bad batch. - Joe Beda
Currently leading the pack: Hitachi 7K2000. - Tudor Bosman
I only have experience with ABYS and EADS in production :(. - Private Sanjeev
I have 24 A7K1000s that have been going great for over a year. (Knocks on wood) - Eric Borisch
Okay, I ordered 5 7K2000s. Let's see how this goes. - Tudor Bosman
The box is back up with the 5 Hitachi 7K2000 drives. I copied all the data over again, and "zpool scrub" now completes without errors. I'll update this post after 2 or 3 days of burn-in. - Tudor Bosman
Hint: Read the man page. The "--batch" option to portupgrade is supremely useful. portupgrade -vaP --batch: upgrade all installed FreeBSD packages, prefer to use precompiled packages if available (-P), don't ask questions (use default configuration options). - Tudor Bosman
A few scrubs later, still zero errors, and normal smartctl output. I now deem the box ready for production use (that is, the main storage device in the Bosman household). - Tudor Bosman
For small boxes, you could consider a self-contained box like a MSI Wind PC ($139). - Scott Ludwig from iPhone
my EADS results: 2/6 failed so far (free RMA replacement). no data loss though. - Michael Herf
Tudor: FWIW, random activity is much more stressful (and power consuming = heat producing) than the contiguous reads/writes you get from dd. Try bonnie++ or iozone if you'd like to really hit the system. Glad to hear you're up and running - ZFS is fantastic stuff. - Eric Borisch
Michael: Yes, I had 3 out of 5 EADS drives fail within a week. I returned all 5 and got Hitachi 7K2000. - Tudor Bosman
Peng-Toh: There's FreeNAS, http://freenas.org/, but I'd wait until they upgrade to FreeBSD 8, probably in a couple of months (the FreeBSD folks didn't consider ZFS to be production quality until FreeBSD 8.0). - Tudor Bosman
7 months later, still going strong. My recommendation for Hitachi drives stands. - Tudor Bosman
I've had several EADS drive failures as well. I was thinking the failures were partly due to heat, but no definitive proof. - Scott Ludwig
Just went to A7k2000's and a new enclosure (posted today): http://www.nerdblog.com/2010... - Michael Herf
EricaJoy
23and…You? The African-American 23andMe Experience - http://www.ericabaker.com/2010...
23and…You? The African-American 23andMe Experience
Resharing because the import had the wrong link. PuSH is too fast. Doh! - EricaJoy from Bookmarklet
Thanks for sharing, Erica. Interesting! - Louis Gray
Can you plug their data into Ancestry.com? I'm trying to figure out if I'm related to John Adams via an undocumented illegitimate grandchild - will it give me that data? - Jesse Stay
Partway through your post. Sounds like 23andme had more than I thought it had. I went with FamilyTreeDNA (which would only handle genealogy-related DNA...beginning to wish I had done 23andme for the medical). - Spidra Webster
@Jesse You can't but a lot of the community on 23andMe have Ancestry.com profiles. Once you get a Relative Finder match, you can compare trees with the person and fill in gaps where applicable. - EricaJoy
@Spidra The health data is pretty awesome...if you are of European ancestry. :) I'll do some screenshots of my reports if you're interested in seeing what it looks like. - EricaJoy
That high barrier to entry is a problem for a lot of people. It was a real stretch for me when I did it and I did it when I finally had a decent-paying job (only took me until my 40s to land one *eyeroll*). The fewer people that can afford to do it, the less useful the results will be. One way to make it affordable would be to get an organization that wants that large a DNA sample for... more... - Spidra Webster
I think Ancestry also partners with some other DNA companies and will give you deals for just ancestry - I remember seeing some around the price of $99, but they were very limited. - Jesse Stay
EricaJoy, that'd be cool. Does 23andMe ever run discount promotions? - Spidra Webster
@Jesse Lots of people who are really into this stuff say 23andMe is the best bang for your buck. From what I've seen, the Ancestry.com partners do not offer the health data reports that 23andMe does. - EricaJoy from IM
@Spidra Ok screenshots forthcoming. They do run discount promotions but they're mostly crappy (buy 2 kits and get $50 off or something equally useless). - EricaJoy from IM
I need to find a service that can compare my DNA with that of a descendant of John Adams. I'm not sure at all where to look. - Jesse Stay
I don't think that service exists. Ideally the 23andMe Relative Finder thing would be tied into Ancestry.com and this would be very simple and automated. Alas, it takes a bit of manual effort right now. - EricaJoy from IM
Jesse, I think what you'd have to do is find a known male descendent of John Adams and get in contact with them. If they've already had Y-DNA done, you can compare. If they haven't, you should volunteer to pay for their Y-DNA test. - Spidra Webster
DNA for genealogy is still relatively new. Not that many people have gotten tested. Though I've sprung for a 37 marker Y-DNA test for my brother, we don't get that many matches on him. The matches we do get are low resolution - as in "you may have shared a common ancestor 2000 years ago..." - Spidra Webster
Wow. 23andMe doesn't even look that far back with the Relative Finder. I mean why even bother? Hell you and I probably shared an ancestor 2000 years ago. - EricaJoy from IM
Spidra, thanks - just posted a request on Twitter. I wonder if any of my followers are descendants of John Adams. This would be huge news if it could be proven - there are no records of an illegitimate child of John Adams' daughter, but I have a record hinting that could be the case (and I'm through that line). - Jesse Stay
EricaJoy, it's not really that they're looking back that far. It's that based on rates of mutation they can make an educated guess as to when that particular bit of code last changed. And I was pulling 2000 years out of my ass, but a 12-marker Y-DNA match with someone doesn't really tell you much unless you have a really rare funky sequence. One needs to test for 37 or more, I think, to... more... - Spidra Webster
@Spidra Yeah that .44 percent match in my Relative Finder is adopted. I think she has a good chance of finding out her lineage once Relative Finder goes live for all members (especially because I plan to be like a dog with a bone with this stuff). - EricaJoy from IM
Jesse, before you spring for a kit, remember that the male descendent would have to be descended patrilineally from John Adams. That is, son of a son of a son, etc. Y-DNA is only passed through the male line. - Spidra Webster
Spidra, interesting, so if I do find one, would it even be possible to compare my DNA where I could be through one of his daughters? - Jesse Stay
That's a good point! (Easy for me to forget that stuff). No, the fact that it's through a daughter would break that connection. I guess you'd have to find a way to tie that line definitely to the legitimate daughter. - Spidra Webster
@Jesse I encourage you to join http://dna-forums.com as any possible questions you have (plus some you don't have) can be answered there. It's a fairly active community. - EricaJoy from IM
Erica, nice! Thanks for sharing that - I'm clueless when it comes to DNA. That looks like it may help. - Jesse Stay
No problem Jesse. :) Do you have your tree shared on Ancestry.com? - EricaJoy
Erica, not yet - I have it stored on FamilySearch.org. I need to get it on Ancestry as well (considering they're a client of mine) :-) - Jesse Stay
Erica, did you see http://Mundia.com? That's the project I've been helping them with. - Jesse Stay
I haven't seen it before. Would be nice if I could log in with my Ancestry account. Giving it a whirl anywho. - EricaJoy from IM
Oh oops, I should pay more attention, looks like I can. :) - EricaJoy from IM
You can also log in (and sign up) with your Facebook account - Jesse Stay
Cursory once over looks like a new UI for Ancestry.com. Feels like a "get the kids using Ancestry.com" attempt. - EricaJoy from IM
Hey Erica, do you care to share what you did to export your DNA data from 23andMe to Ancestry.com? I can't figure out where to get the data, what goes where, etc. - Jesse Stay
I also have the issue of health data being applicable to people of European origin. Ancestry Painting says I'm 63% European and 37% Asian -- such mixtures are common for people whose ancestry is from India. - Ruchira S. Datta
The Ancestry Painting is a simplification due to their using 3 reference populations. Actually people from India are a mixture of somewhere between 60% and 40% Ancestral North Indian, which is continuous with European, and somewhere between 40% and 60% Ancestral South Indian. (Despite the names, even the northernmost North Indians and the southernmost South Indians today are mixtures in proportions like this.) - Ruchira S. Datta
The biggest problem with studies being done only on people of European ancestry is that there may be health-related SNPs that occur *only* in another population that are totally absent from testing. For instance, there are such SNPs from the Ancestral South Indian population related to cardiac disease. - Ruchira S. Datta
However, the health related SNPs that *are* present in the 23andMe data are not necessarily totally useless. Here is how I look at them. In many, but not all cases, 23andMe tells you what is the "typical" risk. That typical risk is the least useful information, since it's with respect to the European population. - Ruchira S. Datta
Then they tell you that with this health-related SNP, your odds are "0.8 times typical" or "1.5 times typical". That is a bit more reliable: humans are enough alike that this gene, or promoter, or whatever it is, is playing roughly the same role in each one of us. If the SNP interferes with or enhances its function, then it probably does so in everyone. - Ruchira S. Datta
However, the *number* "0.8 times typical", or whatever, may not be correct. This is because genes function together in networks. This results in "epistasis": the effects of two genes together is not the simple sum of their separate effects. The context of all the other genes (or at least all the other ones from the same module) determines the overall effect. - Ruchira S. Datta
Still, if the SNP causes the odds of a disease to decrease (multiplies the odds by a number less than 1), or to increase (multiplies the odds by a number greater than 1) in European populations, it's plausible that it may do the same in a non-European population, but with a different multiplier. - Ruchira S. Datta
The ancestral population is useful as a proxy for "all the stuff about this genome we haven't measured or don't understand". Ancestry would become irrelevant to health issues, if we had fully sequenced genomes (thus including all SNPs and copy number variants, or CNVs) and we understood what each segment of the genome does and the interactions among them. Speaking of which, I should get back to work. :-) - Ruchira S. Datta
Such a great thread. - Spidra Webster
Rahsheen
Look what I just dug up on my Flickr. [NSFW...kinda] 9/26/08. Ah, memories. LOL. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Look what I just dug up on my Flickr. [NSFW...kinda] 9/26/08. Ah, memories. LOL.
That's YOU? - Melly
<redacted for modesty and good taste> O HAI, Rah. - Ayşe E.
I used to look like that. Then I got tired of the wimmins chasin' me. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Yep. Me slightly over a year ago. - Rahsheen
Hubba hubba hubba... O.o - Bette Cooper
This is a man. Maybe like a man and a half. I'm thinking this won't start a meme. - Steele Lawman
lol@Steve. Probably not meme-worthy at all. - Rahsheen
Yup, that would make wimmins chase you. Probably a goodly amount of mens, too. - Spidra Webster
Dude, I'm just not exposing my gut after this. :) - Steele Lawman
is it topless meme again? - Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Hi. - Derrick
That's Rah! I mean - after reading the comments I know that. It's not like I knew it was him before I read them.... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
LMAO@Jason - Rahsheen
BUMP! *perves* - Melly
<<picks jaw up off floor>> - rowlikeagirl
Yup, I'm still a heterosexual woman. *confirmed* - Ayşe E.
Ah, yes. The legendary Abs of Rah. - Steven Perez
That is one helluva H'ween costume you got on, Rah. - Spidra Webster
TRICK OR TREAT! - Rahsheen
Won't start a meme, huh? Consider http://friendfeed.com/thwarte... to be the first entry. I dare you to help make it stick. - Andy Bakun
Yep, still gay. - Derrick
...is it your birthday? - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Treat. - Ayşe E.
Geez. Water glistening all....I'm sorry what? - EricaJoy
I'd like to state for the record that I have abs just like those. I mean, I keep them hidden under mah belly, but they're there. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
I don't know what genes you have but I clearly have none of it!!!! - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
It's all about taking every opportunity to be active and paying attention to what, how, and when you eat. I guess you could say I work hard, too. - Rahsheen
A little bit :) - Rahsheen
That's a photo I don't get tired of looking at. :-D - April Russo
Yep, not dead, yet (oops, I commented before remembering my boss follows me; I sure hope he has FoaF turned off!). - MiniMage
I think I'm gonna bump this once a day for the next month or so. :D - Steven Perez from IM
Just here for my nightly oogle. - April Russo
#جنبش_شکمی رونوشت به کانفورمیست و حاج مهدی - Mil∂d
Ah, *BUMP* to good memories... - Zu from AOD
Wow, that dude is cut. - Rahsheen
Yo dog I heard you like to be cut... - Eric - Back to the Grill
You sure your not D'Angelo's brother? - Eric - Back to the Grill
This came up in my feed again, now I'm just jealous. - Eric - Back to the Grill
Oh yes, great way to start the day...oogling Rah. Thanks for bumping him. - April Russo
My pleasure April, I was waiting anxiously earlier with the search and was afraid not finding one fast enough, this one summarized Rah's feeling pretty much 9) http://friendfeed.com/rahshee... - Zu from AOD
Friendfeed search may have lost the abs, but Google has found them again! - April Russo
April Buchheit
All I have to remember is that I am awesome. :)
Just trying to be more positive here, folks. :P - April Buchheit
Note to self: remind April she's awesome - Glenn Slaven
You made enchilada's from scratch. You've gotta be a pretty awesome person to do that. - EricaJoy
Well...I've had some help. My nanny's sister made and provided the sauce. But she'll show me how to make it so that I will be able to do it myself in the future. - April Buchheit
My husband is awesome, too. It's likely that he's infectious. - April Buchheit
Not anymore -- the Cipro worked. - Paul Buchheit
Oh, must be the swine flu, then. :P - April Buchheit
April: swine flu is a virus, so if Cipro worked it wasn't the flu. - Gabe
You're too awesome to burden your awesomeness with less than awesome, indeed downright administrivial, thoughts. What say you forget about it, and I'll be the keeper of your awesomeness, periodically reminded? - ianf ⌘
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Well played jim *bows* - Glenn Slaven
April is awesome! - Anne Bouey
April is awesome! - Kelly
It's May now, Jim, time to update the cheeky(js). - ianf ⌘
That's the spirit - Amit Morson
I find a post-it note stuck to the bathroom mirror is quite helpful for remembering stuff. That way you'll be reminded that you are awesome first thing in the morning (or whenever you get around to brushing your teeth). - Maggie
Good idea, Maggie! But I stuck the note on my computer since I actually go there first on most mornings than the bathroom mirror: http://friendfeed.com/eskimo... - April Buchheit
April is awesome! - Ivan Zuzak
Thanks, Ivan! I totally forgot. ;) - April Buchheit
Kevin Fox
Thanks Erica!
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You are late, Mr. Fox. http://www.google.com/buzz... - Louis Gray
Erica says it was inspired by FriendFeed. http://twitter.com/EricaJo... - Louis Gray
I'd hate to think Erica could only be thanked once. :-) - Kevin Fox
You didn't read the rules? (Ah. I see now. Once PER NETWORK.) Carry on. - Louis Gray
You're welcome. :) - EricaJoy
Kewl! - Kol Tregaskes
Smiles for miles. :)))) - Micah
Thomas Hawk
Proof that Google is racist.
blackpeoplestolemycar.jpg
holy shit... - Rafael
Uh.. WHOA! - Linda Lawrey
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the people at Google put this in there on purpose. - Akiva
lol - conspiracy! - Jesse Stay
They may want to add an exception for that, though. :-) - Jesse Stay
are u serious thomas? wtf? - teymur madjderey
If you're banking on Google to recover your car after a grand thief auto, you might want to try other resources. Bing? - Micah
Me and my family just picked ourselves up off the floor and dried our eyes after ROFL'ing profusely at this... - Rahsheen
LOL! <sarcasm>I am going to go talk to the Race Czar's about this immediately!</sarcasm> - EricaJoy
if you search for "blakc peolpestole my car" you can see the same result.. just change for the correct one and take a print screen... hahaha this is hell funny - Rafael
FAIL! - Wayne Sutton
huh...I tried both and neither gave a 'did you mean....' Why the difference? - George Gray
George, this was from earlier. I think it's probably been fixed by now. - Thomas Hawk
I can't reproduce the results either. Even more proof that Google's damage control department works real f-a-s-t - BLOGBloke
I can reproduce these results (as it's fake). 1 - Do a google search for 'balck people stole my car' 2 - when the results come back, in the search box type 'white people stole my car'. 3 - Screenshot and fool everyone. - Will Higgins™
Thomas...ah...I was catching up on my feed and didn't notice when the message posted. Still, I have noticed different results when using Google from: the browser search bar, going right to google.com and when logged into google via iGoogle. Weird. - George Gray
This reminds me of how commercials for home alarm systems always feature white criminals. - Akiva
Dude, you win 1000 times over for use of the word 'colored'. I'm about as far from a racist as you can get but that shit cracks me up every time. - Akiva
これはひどい - as365n2
i think that google isnt racist, but people that use it yes..infact google shows firstly the most popular results.....this is my opinion..and please apologize me formy english..i'm italian!w La pizza! - Lyssa
they did it as the Chinese government did. - xia
seems they fix it somehow. - Mike
Lyssa's right. Google is a mirror. - Jim: with more caffeine!
*Now* "white people stole my car" beats "black people stole my car" in a Google Duel, 3:1 - Tim Tyler
I sense a really nasty meme being created :-( - Ian D. Nock
That's it, I'm going to Ask.com! lol - Bryan R. Adams
paranoid approaches. - takmaz
I posted that a couple days ago and someone debunked it almost immediately. - Ben Hanten
再現できないが..... - jx0
google is funny! i stole the car - HansVanRock
Oh wowwww ... SMH lol - Iesha G
Kevin Fox
Wow, this is gonna be a big thing: Apple's Next iPhone - http://gizmodo.com/5520164...
Wow, this is gonna be a big thing: Apple's Next iPhone
Wow, this is gonna be a big thing: Apple's Next iPhone
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Hope Gizmodo's got good lawyers... - Kevin Fox from Bookmarklet
I hope that the final product isn't as ugly. - Akiva
This is definitely a bigger thing than the Asteroid audio extender that brought down ThinkSecret (and almost brought down AppleInsider). I don't think shield laws really apply here. - Mark Trapp
Oh wow, why would they do that? I mean, I get it, they want to be first, but that seems like a BIG lawsuit waiting to happen. - Georgia
What would the grounds be here for a lawsuit? - Brian Sullivan
Supposedly it was found in a bar in Redwood City. Not sure what Apple could sue them for. - Dan Hsiao
The Apple employee involved could claim that it was stolen, not lost, and now Gizmodo is handling stolen goods and profiting from it. - Tudor Bosman
it's the PayPhone! - Big Joe Silence
Gruber seems to think Gizmodo is being disingenuous about "finding" the phone: http://daringfireball.net/linked... - Mark Trapp
Doesn't Apple know EXACTLY where this phone is? Why don't they send someone to get it? - Stephen Mack from iPhone
@Spidra: but you don't have to take MY word for it! - Big Joe Silence
Good point Stephen. Surely they could use Find My iPhone to track its location. - Roberto Bonini
If they just manage to get that deal with Verizon, I am gonna be a happy girl. - Spidra Webster
Gizmodo *may* be in trouble because they: A) violated trade secrets by willfully exposing confidential information that had been secret -- B) reportedly paid an individual for the phone, knowing that it was not that person's property -- C) willfully damaged that property which they knew they had no lawful claim to (they opened it to photograph the guts). There's certainly sufficient grounds to serve a lawsuit that will cost Gizmodo a lot of money to defend, even if they end up defending successfully. - Kevin Fox
Can't use Find My iPhone since it was remote wiped and is stuck at the activation screen. - Aaron Draczynski
And of course, D) They haven't returned it after Apple asked for their property back. - Kevin Fox
[IANAL, but you already knew that] "However, according to the trade secret law, the only groups of people that cannot be prevented from using the trade secret information protected by law are those who do independent means in discovering the secret without practicing illegal measures or breaching state laws or agreements." http://www.mesrianilaw.com/Violati... - Micah
One could easily argue that knowingly purchasing an item from a person with no lawful claim to the item is an illegal measure. - Kevin Fox
Come to think of it, that non-lawyerly disclaimer from the halcyon days of slashdot should be updated to iAnal. - Micah
ianalbipooti - Kevin Fox
From Nick Denton's Twitter feed, it looks like Gizmodo is itching for a fight: http://twitter.com/nicknotned - Mark Trapp
Wow, you're right. Looks like they think this might be their Drudge/Lewinsky moment. - Kevin Fox
Yep..... - Roberto Bonini
That's an interesting parallel. - Micah
Most of the legal stuff presented here though would not involve a civil lawsuit but some sort of criminal proceedings. I am guessing that complicates matters a lot does it not? - Brian Sullivan
Micah wins the thread. - John Craft
Brian: How so? Apple doesn't care about getting damages. They want to make sure the next time a reporter 'finds' pre-release hardware they're too scared to splash it on the web. - Kevin Fox
Apple doesn't get to choose if criminal proceedings go forward do they or have they taken over the police and criminal justice system there? - Brian Sullivan
But if the lost/stolen/how it came into their hands question is even a tiny bit in dispute Giz walks - WarLord
Brian: claims for misappropriation of trade secrets are generally pursued through civil proceedings, even if such misappropriation occurs through the aid of criminal activity. - Brian Chang
I'm still guessing if SJ was "nicer' he's have gotten a phone call instead of phto spread - WarLord
I really doubt it. Gizmodo's resentment, from what the editors are posting, is directed towards the highly-connected media who have advance access, not Apple. As Nick Denton retweeted, "BREAKING: Gizmodo extends massive middle finger to Jim Goldman, tells Mossberg to suck it long, suck it hard" - Mark Trapp
Hmmmm, from a purely legal standpoint, unless the phone was stamped "Property of Apple Computer," Apple would be hard-pressed to make a claim that the phone itself constitutes "confidential information." And with no evidence of ownership or a tag that reads "If found, return to:..." Giz could claim they thought it was an interesting fake. In any event, once it left the possession of the original owner, unless it was stolen, Giz is probably safe. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
The more important keeping your secret becomes the more fun it is to pierce the veil ;) - WarLord
KevinP: Presumably the black plastic case did have such warnings, but even if not, Gizmodo has clearly demonstrated that they knew who the phone's owner was and that it was a prototype. If Joe Blow shared a twitpic of a cool phone he found he might not have a problem, but Gizmodo showed clear knowledge, intent, and financial gain. - Kevin Fox
Otto: Leaving a briefcase full of money on a cafe table doesn't mean that the person who finds it and keeps/sells it is free and clear. 'Sucking it' has precious little to do with the law. - Kevin Fox
Just to be clear, I really don't care either way. I'm not calling for Gizmodo to be brought to justice. I'm just anticipating what I think will happen. We'll see. - Kevin Fox
But without a non disclosure agreement of some type going to be hard to claim trade secrets - WarLord
WarLord, not at all. If illegal means were used to acquire the information then trade secret law holds. If Gizmodo paid for the phone then there's probably a case to be made. - Kevin Fox
I find phone play with it all weekend take pictures etc return phone Monday - dunno how the trade secrets play tha - WarLord
Warlord: I buy a secret phone from a guy who says he found it. I know it's secret and I open it up, analyze it, then write an exposé about Apple's secret phone, then it's a different story. - Kevin Fox
Otto: I see where you're going with this, but my guess is that Apple will say that a bag of money clearly labeled 'First National Bank' is not subject to 'finders keepers'. It can be clearly demonstrated that Gizmodo knew who owned the phone and found financial value in keeping it from them and actively pursuing the secrets within the phone. There is no way that this is a simple 'finders keepers' case. That much, at least, should be clear. - Kevin Fox
Something tells me that Gizmodo is banking on people being sympathetic to them being David vs. Apple's Goliath. This plays along with the fact that a lot of people are turning against Apple now that they're no longer the underdogs. Personally, I hope Gizmodo gets brutalized by the system is what they did was actually illegal. - Akiva
I think Giz picked an excellent way to swat steveie j with a rolled up newspaper build some steet cred and traffic plus get mucho sympathy from MSM if Apple decides to sue - WarLord
I agree Akiva. I'm excited to see the new phone, and I even find enjoyment from Gizmodo's scoop, but I do think they should be investigated and, if found to be breaking the law, prosecuted for it. - Kevin Fox
I think WarLord just proved my case. - Akiva
The Enquirer regularly gets sued for libel and they regularly make multi-million dollar payouts. It's part of their business model. Maybe this is part of Gizmodo's. They probably ran the math and decided it's worth the legal costs. - Kevin Fox
The one thing that Gizmodo has done for me over this is make me disappointed over the new iPhone's style which looks absolutely rubbish. At least it'll make it easier for manufacturers to produce more accurate-looking knock-offs. I mean, hell, it already looks like a knock-off. - Akiva
Otto: We just don't have enough information. We don't know whether Apple asked the bar owner if anyone had found the property. We don't know if it was 'found' by a bar employee or another patron (in which case McAvoy doesn't apply). We don't know whether the phone was placed on a bar or whether it fell out of a bag or purse, and the answer to that question alone throws the applicability of McAvoy in to question. - Kevin Fox
Akiva: if I were a betting man, I'd wager that what we see here is a prototype or test phone, not the final design. - Mark Trapp
Mark, what I've read is that this is very close to the final design with just a few physical tweaks on the way. I certainly don't expect it to be identical but I also don't expect it to be that much different. - Akiva
If you have a hand in obtaining stolen goods... It's pretty much a slam dunk. - Johnny from iPhone
OK, but how many tech news website have guys positioned in every bar? - Johnny from iPhone
I'm telling you. People want to see Apple punished for two crimes: one, being too successful; and, two, being exclusionary. If there are two things that some people can't tolerate, it's a winner and being told that they're not part of the secret club. - Akiva
Akiva -- where in this discussion is there anything about punishing Apple? - Brian Sullivan
I just wonder two things: How likely is it that an Apple employee permitted to carry pre-release hardware off campus would 'forget' it in a bar (not very) and how likely is it that someone who stole a phone which turned out to be a very valuable piece of proprietary technology would claim that it was 'found' (very). - Kevin Fox
Look at some of the comments. WarLord writes 'I think Giz picked an excellent way to swat steveie [sic] j with a rolled up newspaper', Otto writes sarcastically about 'big, scary Apple', just for instance. My comments aren't limited to what's been written in this thread, either. There is growing disdain for Apple just like there's growing disdain for Google. - Akiva
It seems to me the discussion is revolving around punishing Gizmodo/Engadget? - Brian Sullivan
The discussion is revolving around whether Gizmodo broke any laws, with a tangential discussion of how much Apple 'deserved it' as though that will have a bearing in court. - Kevin Fox
At a start, Techcrunch didn't pay for the files. Secondly, Techcrunch actually contacted Twitter beforehand to talk about it and cut a deal on which information they would and would not reveal. This is why they weren't sued. - Kevin Fox
Mentioning 'it was found in a bar' just sounds like ass-covering to me. - Johnny
It's the equivalent of 'my dog ate my homework'. - Akiva
Otto: Fine, I'll put it a different way: I assume that people frequently end up in possession of phones that do not belong to them through various means. I further assume that those who acquire them through illegal means say they acquired them through legal means. I also assume that a secret proprietary phone is less likely to be accidentally left behind than an average phone. These assumptions were the basis for my comment, If you don't hold those assumptions that's fine, but I do and thus I said so. - Kevin Fox
Otto: Robot pirates or sea-faring ones? I was going to say 'or one-eyed pirates' but that could apply to both. - Kevin Fox
The articles are very well 'written'... - Johnny
;-) - Kevin Fox
Kevin, I think you're walking a dangerous slope with your reasoning. In our justice system the defendant (in this case, the bar owner is my assumption) should always be presumed innocent until proven otherwise (ie: we should believe the claim of "I found it after someone left it behind" until there is more data that proves differently). - Chieze Okoye
(Split my comment in two) Additionally, you're using your assumption ("I further assume that those who acquire them through illegal means say they acquired them through legal means.") to prove its own converse. That is, you're implying that because someone who does something wrong covers it up with a certain explantion, this bar owner having that explanation indicates that he did something wrong and is covering it up, which, as far as I can see based on what is known, is definitely a fallacy. - Chieze Okoye
Chieze: I'm not saying that Gizmodo is guilty. I'm stating that there's the basis for a lawsuit. My argument about thieves lying about how they procured a cellphone isn't an attempt to say that anyone saying they found a phone is lying, but that saying they found a phone does not preclude the possibility that they did not find the phone. - Kevin Fox
It's called speculation... or it's more modern term 'The Internet' :) - Johnny
Put as simply as possible: I think it's possible that Gizmodo paid someone for a stolen, proprietary phone for the purpose of revealing its trade secrets for financial gain. I don't know if this is the case, but I think it's possible and I'm guessing that Apple will pursue this in a legal forum. That is the extent of my claim. Is everyone okay with that? - Kevin Fox
Oh, yeah, it's definitely possible. And I agree with you and definitely think that there's enough here to make it worth Apple's time to pursue legally as well, but if the bulk of their proof is "our employee reported it stolen" I don't think that they will have met their burden of proof for their claim. - Chieze Okoye
Gizmodo may walk... but I suspect that Don Jobleone will be planting a big fat kiss on their lips. They just lost aaaaaaaall access they had - Johnny
I suspect Giz would not reveal a C&D yet if they received one. If their goal is to get as much traction and traffic out of this story as possible, its better to drag out everything bit by bit. First the reveal, tons of traffic. Tomorrow, they post the C&D. Tons more traffic. If they post everything today, they don't get the repeat visitors. - EricaJoy
what if Gizmodo has already returned the phone to apple? - Chris Heath
I wouldn't think that'd change the outcome of any trade secrets lawsuit. The damage would already have been done. - Kevin Fox
"They just lost aaaaaaaall access they had" - Nick Denton's twitter feed seems to imply that Gizmodo did this precisely because the DIDN'T have access: http://twitter.com/nicknot... - John Craft
umm I'm guesing after read that tweet he doesn't much care what Apples response is - WarLord
INYIM: That's completely possible. I wonder how *that* conversation would have gone, that resulted in teh expose they published anyhow. I'm also interested to head Engadget's story. Based on the photos they published hours before Gizmodo went public I'm guessing both were approached by the 'finder' and Engadget ended up not getting the phone (outbid or declined to try). There's totally a Wired expose piece waiting in the wings here. - Kevin Fox
Giz used to have enough access to at least go to the iPod/iPhone press conferences. - Andrew C (✔)
who knew there was this much drama centered on a PHONE ;) - WarLord
Isn't this the same Gizmodo that pranked a tech conference by turning off all the display monitors and got banned as a result? No surprises, hope these douches get what's coming to them. Engadget FTMFW - LANjackal
I know I shelled out for a 3GS last year, but, if this thing is sporting an A4 and some serious new features, consarnit, I might be sucked in yet again. I HATE YOU, APPLE. - Mike Nayyar
Mike, same here. I'm expecting to be sucked in. Again. - Akiva
I thought this comment on Gizmodo was interesting: http://gizmodo.com/comment... The crime, assuming a crime has been committed, would be Conversion, which is a form of theft. However, since Apple hasn't taken steps to get a restraining order on Gizmodo (if they had, it would've already been effected), the argument is that Apple is okay with the leak. A little more info on criminal conversion here: http://friendfeed.com/itafrom... - Mark Trapp
If one had any doubt of how big of a douchebag company Gawker is, one need only read that post. Not only do they divulge who lost the phone for no reason other than to make a spectacle of a guy's mistake, they paint a hilariously false account of everybody trying to do the right thing to make it seem like they (and the person who stole the phone) are in the clear. Gawker paid $5,000 for... more... - Mark Trapp
1UP Mark - Akiva
Hey, what's up with that Zune? - Eric - Back to the Grill
Apple demands the phone back: http://gizmodo.com/5520479... The reply back to Apple confirms that the phone was stolen, although Gizmodo claims they didn't know that when they bought it. - Mark Trapp
It's said that IT IS FAKE. - 老巫
Jeanette Bosman
I'm craving a Taco Bell chili cheese burrito. I don't know why; I haven't eaten at Taco Bell for at least 8 years, and I don't even know if they still make said chili cheese burritos. Perhaps my memory of them isn't even accurate. Nonetheless, I must have one.
Yum. You must be pregnant, I guess. :) - Louis Gray
Pregnancy cravings are awesome. - EricaJoy
Your memory serves you correct -- they're called chilitos and were particularly delicious with sour cream Sadly, they were discontinued. A tragic day for chilito fans. - Mona Nomura
Just had a cheesy bean and rice burrito the other day and it was pretty good. Apparently, the result of an enthusiastic line chef and the taco sauce bottle. ;) - Melanie Reed
Had Taco Bell last night. It was good. - Josh Haley
never have never will - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
EricaJoy
Hi.
Hi - Johnny from iPhone
Hey stranger. How have you been? - Anika
@Anika Busy. Very, very busy. :) How have you been? - EricaJoy
Prove it, I mean hello :) - Scott. Cat Herder.
With work, wedding planning or both? - Anika
Both. - EricaJoy
Hey there, EricaJoy. Good seeing you again! - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Hi there. - Derrick
Heeey! - Can Mert Bozkurt
Hey - Rodfather
Hey there, Erica. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
EricaJoy
88-Year Old Man Caught Taping Avatar With A Camcorder - http://techdirt.com/article...
This is an interesting concept: "Hell, if they had made it an option to buy the DVD on the way out (perhaps giving a discount if you had a ticket stub), I'm sure plenty more people would have shelled out for the DVD, as well." I like this idea of the upsell on exit. It allows the person to take some of the experience home with them and gives people an incentive to see the movie in the theater. Of course the movie industry thinks that change their business model is the equivalent of burning in hell so this will never happen. - EricaJoy
A man after my own heart - Shevonne
EricaJoy
I was watching this vid and lil bro is like "Is that a chupacabra?!" LOL - Rahsheen
LOL...its my younger brothers crazy chihuahua. - EricaJoy
Hilarious. I remember my little dog doing that back in the day. - Rahsheen
My parents' Bichon does that. :) - Jandy
EricaJoy
SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE! - http://shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/
Oh my. :) - Louis Gray
thanks for FOAFing this for me, Louis.... o_O - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
WoH... sorry. :) I like the tune. - Louis Gray
I think you'll find that universe pretty much covers everything. - EricaJoy
I...can't...stop...it... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
EricaJoy
Contouring Your Boobalas - http://www.weddingbee.com/2010...
You've been warned. - EricaJoy
I was thinking, contouring your kids? Nevermind. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Laurence Gonsalves
Ugh. I wish Firefox had an equivalent to Unix's "top" so I could figure out which tab is responsible for "101%" CPU usage.
I think it's called "Chrome" =) - Jim Norris
Does Chrome have an equivalent to "Proxy Button"? (I guess it's a bit ironic that the need to easily switch to using the Google corp proxy is part of what keeps me on Firefox...) Also, this was on my Mac, and Chrome is pretty rough on the Mac right now. - Laurence Gonsalves
I don't actually know... I'm still using FF on my mac too. - Jim Norris
Laurence, MacOS lets you set proxies on a per-network basis. Why are you setting browser proxies at all? (Safari knows no such concept, and neither does Chrome for Mac.) - Daniel Dulitz from iPhone
I hear you with the browser proxies Laurence and there is a hacky workaround for setting up a browser proxy in Chrome. Shoot me an email at work and I'll tell you what I did to solve the issue. Chrome has been a champ for me otherwise. - EricaJoy
Daniel: I'd never thought to look in the system prefs for HTTP proxies, but I now see that I can set different proxies for different "locations", and these seem to apply to Chrome. Thanks. - Laurence Gonsalves
I don't think Firefox even knows which windows are taking up your CPU -- I imagine its single-process architecture makes that rather difficult to find out. - Joel Webber
An annoyance with having the proxy set at the system level: changing the "Location" while Time Machine is doing a backup seems to abort the backup. (The only difference between my "Locations" is the HTTP proxy setting, which shouldn't affect Time Machine at all, but apparently changing the Location breaks all open connections, which I guess causes the network drive to get unmounted at least temporarily.) - Laurence Gonsalves
There appear to be two proxy switching extensions for Chrome, https://chrome.google.com/extensi...; I haven't tried either. - Tudor Bosman
Thanks! I had given up on looking for one since I thought that it wouldn't be possible on the Mac (given that there isn't even a proxy setting in Mac Chrome), but one of those does claim to work with Mac OS X. (The other says it's Windows only...) - Laurence Gonsalves
Ok, I just tried the one that says it works with Mac OS X. Every time you toggle the proxy a dialog for "scutil" pops up asking for your password. "scutil" is apparently some sort of system tool for "managing system configuration parameters", so it appears that this thing is actually adjusting the system's proxy setting. - Laurence Gonsalves
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