Dear Leo, I love you to death, however, please let your darling daughter know Monaco is not an island off the coast of France and yes, Monte Carlo is the capitol. My daughter is the same age and we are starting to shop college's as well. I wish you the best of luck finding a school that suits her well. I was an exchange student as well and found it the best experience ever!
- Jennifer Ragde
Okay, now my computer politically correct daughter is telling me this was not the correct way to state my opinion as I should have commented on the photograph. I'm really sorry, I love to listen to your broadcasts, but I really am computer retarded so please forgive me if I have transgressed in any manner. I can't even upload photographs without her help! Really, you don't look dapper,...
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- Jennifer Ragde
LOL Jennifer and +1 for your daughter. :)
- Josh Haley
Leo, you were one hot stack if pancakes back in the day!!
- Erik Boles
Not to nitpick or anything, but Monaco is the name of the state and the capital city. Monte Carlo is just one of city's administrative areas :)
- Dorian
It's 1985 or 1986. I was 28 or 29. And an utter dork.
- Leo Laporte
Okay. Leo you rock! Let me get that out of the way. But you look like Susan Boyle in this photo. Sorry, someone had to throw it out there. ;-)
- Oracio
LEO: if this was a family photo I think it might make it on to the hilarious site that aggregates awkward family photos: http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/ must check this out! :)
- Mike Bracco
Not a family photo - it's a work photo. That's from KLOK-FM San Francisco.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: I know, I was just saying if it was :)
- Mike Bracco
What's that funny lookin thing in the background?
- Daniel James
Daniel.. I think that is what was known as a monochrome display. They were all the rage back then apparently.
- Rhys Amos
Your hair wasn't even real back then! :P
- Kreg Steppe
Dear Dorian, I stand corrected. I was just stunned that someone thought Monaco was an island. When I was in high school (when Dinosaurs roamed the earth, ha ha!), we had to memorize the world in geography. I guess times have changed.
- Jennifer Ragde
LOL, I took all those old photos of me and hid them deep!
- Lillian Banchik
You must have respect for wives. That they could see anything other than the geeks we looked like in those days makes you believe in clairvoyance. Of course now you would qualify as a silver fox.
- JR Holmes
from Nambu
You looked smart and confident :) Great photo! Thanks for sharing!
- mahjongmi
He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April Russo
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan
I'm watching Youtube videos on how to emulate Mac OS 9 on an Intel Mac, full screen so I can run old apps for old time's sake, while listening to Chris Pirillo talk about being a geek.
- Justin Lowery
@Justin check out 'Classic on Intel (COI)' - have had luck with it in the past when trying to play SimTower!
- BeauGiles
EB: that's in the queue to be watched next...gotta start on step one of robot building
- Sean Montgomery
researching why the USS Voyager's warp nacelles fold up
- Justin Ruckman
first iteration done, more scrubbing to do, so more perl to write, maybe some awk, peace kids.
- Erik Boles
@BeauGiles I was looking into SheepSaver. I'll have to take a look at COI also…
- Justin Lowery
You're all *nuts* - it's Saturday night, and you (me too) are in front of the computer. <sigh> I'm reminded of my horrible high school art teacher who said artists never have "week-ends." Bastard. Damn fool was right. Substitute "geek" for "artist" and Bob's your uncle - or auntie, depending on how she swings.
- Yule Heibel
watching the syfy channel (alien agent), while surfing the internet and playing the enchanted ds game - half a level to go and i've beaten the game!
- ann glenn
Writing a fiction futuristic piece for my final in Tech in Society class. Cyborgs and robotic secretariats. My favorite line so far is when my main character tells his house bot to go screw a toaster.
- Kenny Rayl
@BeauGiles Oh duh, same thing. Looks like I just finished downloading it.
- Justin Lowery
This weekend geek: robot building...next weekend non geek: Vegas baby....
- Sean Montgomery
and i'm watching the very end of the Seahawks/Chargers pre-season game.
- geoff hines
Watching Anime and talking about the MMA match on Facebook with my Blackberry 8900 through my access point. Only WPA encryption but have a long key and I live in the woods so I should be safe. That my friend is a geek combo :)
- Tony
from fftogo
Reading FF instead of going to bed. Probably should be writing copy of some sort, but this is the time of night where I'll start to babble if I get sleepy.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
@Yule H. Having a lazy sunday afternoon over here in Australia - almost 3pm :)
- BeauGiles
Trying to get inspired to design a web site for a client so I can get my geek on. Instead, sitting here reading Robert Scoble's FriendFeed! Much more entertaining... :)
- Laura Zickus
digging deep into xml/css for start-up site... working on new web software that is like a next-generation friendfeed... grabbit.net
- Fred Davis
Building out the infrastructure to setup 500 live web cams across the US to let people like me and you report crimes on the street in real time! (2-5 second delay). Someone starts a fight, cops are called within 10 seconds. 500 cameras are going up by December. 10,000 more in 2010. Yes. it's effing hard!
- Adam Jackson
Using new de-soldering station to repair a bad MB to use in another dedicated system for climate prediction or seti@home...or some other grid computing project.
- Jimmy
On the loosers side: having a drink of JW Gold and reading this at an strippers bar while I wait for the next performance!
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
Trying to get my LazyFeed /just/ right.
- Shea
from iPhone
...actually, grabbit is really much more than just a next-generation friendfeed... but since that's one of the closest things so far, the comparisons are inevitable... even if they don't do grabbit justice ;-)
- Fred Davis
Did a brand new install of a family tree / genealogy web app, then imported the GEDCOM file from the previous install (which was an older version of the same app: http://www.phpgedview.net/ ). #ShinyNewVersion
- Micah
...usually I'm the geek of the week every week, so I hope someone is doing something nerdier than tweaking CSS style sheets! Especially on a saturday night! Sheesh! Good thing my GF (@lisapadilla) is a geeky girl, so she understands... in fact, she's nerding out on some grabbit stuff, too, right now ;-)
- Fred Davis
My God, Doc Searls was right, we're all living in Scoble's butt!
- Stephen Pickering
hehe, thx Mary Baum!, really love it so far
- Denverken
Was smoking a cigar, tweeting from iPod touch and thinking about buddha. Does that count? Or should I have also been coding in PHP & reading slashdot?
- Jerry Garcia
yes, Robert's friends all need to get a life! Ha!
- Fred Davis
Reorganizing my iPhone apps, comparing Newstand to free RSS feeds, & researching/pondering the best way to archive my Twitter stream after reading Mashable article
- Alexis
from iPhone
Watching Android get ported onto an MID
- Netbooknews
watching a bad movie with about 15 other people on IRC.. movie is "Frankenstein Island"
- monkeystick
I guess biting the head off of a chicken doesn't count for geeky any longer? Early last century it would have been a huge draw in Kansas.
- Jerry Garcia
I made a red necktie for my Brain (Pinky and the Brain) action figure. Now he's not only not naked, but looks even smarter.
- Fred Jones
Going thru 104 comments on this thread.
- Winston Teo
hmm, watching two long running procs on vm's, running a couple rsyncs to a new terabyte server, monitoring FF/IRC/IM, farming on WoW, preparing two servers with NGINX and i'm always keeping an eye on munin/monit/screen sessions -- but that's not geeky really, just a normal weekend
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Checking frienfeed at a wedding while everone else is dancing
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Sean: thanks, I just wanted to see if something were happening on Twitter that wasn't here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm writing blog posts in gmail and saving them under the label "Posterous Drafts". And something something circuit board something thermal something capacitor.
- Brett Kelly
zeroing the hard drive of an old G4 that's going to be recycled.
- David Newman
Writing a paper about Artificial Intelligence in Expert systems :D
- Yahya
playing with Facebook FBML and pages (and hating it)
- Keith - @tsudo
Just chilling with an ice cold Bud and listening to a live Jimmy Buffett concert online. And smiling reading all the posts.
- lily taylor
Sitting at the keyboard in my jammies and reading FF.
- Technogran
reading FF & shooting my duck hunt background (just 'cause); listening to music on blip.fm; picking out fall fashion (posting to delicio.us/polyvore/blogspot...) & texting my son. Not sure what I would do w/out connection =)
- Charl Lee
Listening to Bob Seger, Janis Joplin and The Who on vinyl. Guess that would be contra geek?
- John Nissim
trying to set-up Streamy (the "new Friendfeed')
- Bill Powell
Reading friendfeed on one monitor with 50 tabs open and watching the Second Life Citizen's Convention live music stream in Second Life on the other monitor.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
to the wedding geek: sounds like sth. I'd be doing. lol
- Franc, a rememberer
@Franc. I'm still reading this thread... Uber geek LOL
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Upgrading my desktop computer to Windows 7
- RobinDotNet
Setting up a Linux server and giving it a static IP address, manually assigned DNS server settings, restarting the networking stack, and pinging the router on my local network all via the command line in the Terminal. Also doing a traceroute from this Linux server inside a virtual machine on my MacBook Pro to my website at www.thebrentcameron.com to see how many hops it takes and the time it takes for each of those hops. So do I win or what?
- Brent Cameron
My idea of optimizing Firefox is by uninstalling it.
- Alex Knight
running macros on my G15 to bulk process 500 kids soccer pictures, while browsing friendfeed, listening to techno on headphones while my son watches star wars episode IV
- Robert Higgins
Making my 4th LEGO city model of the day while watching 2 screens of FriendFeed (main feed + this thread). My wife is on Facebook on our hackint0shed netwbook while my 3 year old daughter plays games on the iPhone
- Johnny
Watching Conan the Barbarian, quoting far too much of it, analyzing too much of it altogether (like did they get all of the out of work Star Trek (original show) musicians together to do the score? It's way too similar.)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Coding an iPhone application which connects to Facebook, Twitter, FriendFeed, and fetches RSS feeds off the web :)
- Fahim
Taking some downtime from the SLCC as an opportunity to work on writing for my blog.
- Tim Maly
Figuring out if I can get android running on a dell axim.
- Jim Connolly
Scampering between sites/browser-tabs like a headless chicken is hardly geeky but that's what I've been doing this Sunday morning. Google Reader, Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter, Social Median, Lazy Feed, et. al.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Setting my Ruby on Rails environment up on my new Windows Laptop. I know it's the easiest platform to do it on, with InstantRails, but might install it on Linux, just for the crack :) And checking out the Mosso plans.
- Steve Farnworth
running a twitter experiment #chromeexperiment to see if I could actually replace firefox with chrome.
- Rohit
Writing a custom extension module for vTiger CRM which combines data from two other modules and working on my custom Layout Management & Authentication Libraries for the CodeIgniter MVC framework which I intend to release as open source when complete.
- Usman Bashir
Umm, searching for iPhone formatted porn. Does that count as geeky?
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
Making a few more custom buttons for firefox.
- April Russo
Answering stupid real-time contests on friendfeed.
- Ben Pashkoff
from twhirl
fighting the headache with some reader and friendfeed...and maybe twitter...maybe not
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Configuring virtual server/machines and network - for home use...
- Jemm
from fftogo
it's unlikely to be me - checking friendfeed while things compile (contributing to a linux distro this week), reading up on vtiger (coincidence? someone is vtigering above), and wondering what's for lunch
- Iphigenie
Reading Robert's friendfeed updates IS the geekiest thing one can do ^^
- Paul Papadimitriou
from iPhone
And Coffee is the spring of all good ideas :) So it IS geeky :)
- Roberto Bonini
I'm out on this one. Relaxing 'computer off' Sunday planned with my wife :)
- Charlie Anzman
When this was posted? Sleeping. Hows that for geeky?
- DGentry
Joelle: It has to be coincidence what else can it be. :)
- Usman Bashir
Editing videos from my holiday - not geeky enough - and 8 hours late for this post!
- Martin Bryant
We'll, when this was posted I was cutting some zzzs. Now I'm coding the privacy component for BuddyPress--a nice relaxing activity for a Sunday morning. Hum?
- Jeff Sayre
Compressing and archiving a load of files on JungleDisk, trying to convert a Drupal module intended for use with the Twitter OAuth API to work with FriendFeed, and drafting the OpenStream specification...
- Tyson Key
....multi-tasking between sourcing UI icons for a new app, scanning FF live feed, coding PHP, browsing Seesmic and now commenting on a thread where i appear not to be geekiest person here on a Sunday. Oh, and now i have too many tabs open in firefox, so i'm using Safari as a fill-in.
- Matthew Ogston
Browsing Google Reader, Friendfeed best of day, Twitter, Facebook, Digg, Social Median, Twine while copying a video off my Flip & uploading to Viddler... and on my iPhone: getting the Kindle & audible format of a @TedDekker book (Showdown) to take along on my kayaking trip down the Juniata river this afternoon. In the background, Mythbusters is busy figuring out how the Hindenburg blew up.
- Courtney Engle
ohhhh.. i forgot: downloading my entire list of domains for backup before moving servers. Add FTP to the list. and drinking freshly ground coffee in my french press travel mug. The coffee was purchased from a Guatemalan farmer my sister met while there.
- Courtney Engle
A couple of people have mentioned coffee. I just had my tea (I'm not from England). I think that may be even more geeky than drinking coffee!
- Jeff Sayre
I'm singing a song about robots with my one year old daughter ... "Robot parade... Robot parade .... Robots obey what the children say!"
- Trent Hamm
from iPod
Selecting photos + editing videos from the U2 360° Tour - I went to see last nite! Every geek will love the high-tech specs of the tour: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - stunning visuals!
- Frank Da Silva
Reading FriendFeed to see what geeky things everyone is doing
- Cathleen Rittereiser
Backing my computer up to my home network, while using regedit and preparing to install Win7. Oh +Twitter and FriendFeed are running in the background :P
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
I'm backing up The Internet. And storing it in the cloud.
- Micah
Micah +1!. Better than me - sister in law just dropped of HP laptop with Vista and said "it's slower now." so I get to play with the cleaning of spyware and the uninstalling of a billion little apps that HP feels are so necessary that they should be part of startup just to ensure that it takes a full 5-10 minutes before you can use the machine. But I'm not bitter.
- Michael Pardee
I'm commenting on this post. Can life get more "geeky?"
- Jimmy Walker
I'm crocheting but I don't think that counts. I'm ripping out am old unfinished to use the yarn in a new project. Next up: a slouchy beret using DPNs then circular knitting needles.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
from iPhone
reading friendfeed and catching up on my rss feed on google reader.
- Fuad Arshad
OK - and now - in English! WOW - I only "get" about a third of the comments! feeling very ungeeky!
- Robyn Hawk
I am wasting my time by writing comments on FF .. it's slightly after midnight in Central Europe now. Shower and bed next!
- Jan Horna
Ditched my wife at the airport to get free wifi. I'm flying virgin she's flying southwest. You snooze you lose LOL
- Jim Goldstein
Trying to decide about paying for Tweet Spinner . . .
- MikeEllsworth
Writing custom PHP code that will pull data from a MySQL database to present a technical class schedule in WordPress.
- Michael Carnell
playing Ikariam and WoW while on FF and watching Nature
- Heather
Converting/Creating Direct Response Television Ads to Direct Response Web Video and distribution http://www.directresponsetelev... closing deals before the site is even populated.
- Jim Peake
I think Robert should announce the winners of the contest now:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Great seeing lots of great entrepreneurs this morning at Founders' Brunch, now I'm motivated to clean up my Facebook. Goal? 1,000 friends that I personally know tons about.
i always wish i could attend this event!
- Allen Stern
Sheesh. You just subscribed to me on FF the other day. Was it just a weekend fling? Ask, and I'll tell you everything. Or you can Google me - Amy Beer - I'm neither the marathon runner nor do I have a beer ranch cheeseball recipe.
- Amy℠
I will wait for next year ,after your visit here in Buenos Aires :-))
- Johni Fisher
I guess for Robert, 1000 friends IS minimalist! LOL
- Jeff P. Henderson
Amy: FriendFeed is where I will follow more than the others.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company.
- jef
Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?"
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead...
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
making money and being dead are mutually exclusive
- Steve Gillmor
Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it?
- jef
we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts
- Sherry Reynolds
Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better?
- Stephen Pickering
jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status.
- Mitch
Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it
- Stephen Pickering
I should have clearly pointed "RSS". I wasn't referring to FriendFeed.
- jef
jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg".
- jef
40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread?
- Sherry Reynolds
Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying.
- jef
FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers"
- Stephen Pickering
If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud?
- Steve Gillmor
feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;)
- jef
not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm too drunk for this thread. *forms conga line* <-----srsly on FriendFeed in club at anime convention!!! XD
- CannonGod
from iPhone
The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive.
- Benjamin Taylor
Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does?
- jef
the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement.
- Benjamin Taylor
understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger
- Steve Gillmor
The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community.
- Kathy Fitch
yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill
- Steve Gillmor
Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
So "dead thing" is like "no more innovations from a certain service or product"?
- jef
google RSS is Dead for what I actually said
- Steve Gillmor
BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity.
- jef
Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment.
- Nick in Manila
Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after.
- Stephen Pickering
That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good.
- abdellah
So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then?
- jef
Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins.
- Sean Gallagher
Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore.
- Sean Gallagher
Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards.
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead.
- Steve Gillmor
:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it
- Johni Fisher
"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on!
- Amy Flynn
wondering when gwave is going to be dead
- Jim Posner
Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up.
- Erik Boles
Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform
- Alberto Saavedra
Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome)
- Technogran
It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has
- Rob Cairns
Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!!
- Billy Warhol
i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
Careful. Not all tweeters are treated like @scobleizer, other tweeters have had their account suspended for unfollowing everyone in bulk.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
I believe it worked for Life Force too
- Ron Wening
The code enables developer mode which you need to load in homebrew apps. Check out http://precentral.net for the great catalog of apps being built for the pre
- Luke Kilpatrick
remember the old Nokia phone that you could put into field mode with *5001#12345# and the phone dealers couldn't get it back out. Ahhhhh, geek pranks.
- Erik Boles
BTW, How am I supposed to punch B & A keys? From On-screen keyboard?
- jef
The Developer code lets you put your palm pre into a mode where you can load homebrew apps. There are already 124 apps in homebrew app catalog at http://www.precentral.net/homebre... - its very easy to install them to your pre with just a few downloads here is how http://www.precentral.net/how-to-... - Some really great ones out there for it.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Derrich, the select moves the 'selector' from 1player to 2player so if you leave it out you're going it alone
- Chris Heath
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Gimminy
Checking in by phone while on vacation. :)
- c.a.j.
from iPhone
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- милый мой дружочек
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- милый мой дружочек
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- милый мой дружочек
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- милый мой дружочек
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- милый мой дружочек
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- милый мой дружочек
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- милый мой дружочек
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- милый мой дружочек
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
Sanki takip ettigim, tanidigim herkes like'lamis. | It's like everyone I follow, know liked this. | Habidi dubidi du.
- Jeaquares
Like'imi verip geri aldim cunku IPHONE'DAN GONDERILMIS!!! | I gave my like but took it back because IT'S SENT FROM IPHONE!!! | Habidi zubidi kubudu ANANIBUDU BU.
- Jeaquares
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Boyd
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
There are a ton of video sites out there now, most all of which are free. Unfortunately, as Tim points out, they each lack the full suit of toolsto make them really useful. Some have good visit stats but bad tagging, others have great tagging and search architecture, but bad time-viewwing-video stats. it is a crapshoot. at Channel Snap, this is what ultimately drove us to a paid CDN (plus a few other advertiser driven metrics), but to really get the best of every world, upload your video to a multitude of sites using tubemogul, the free version works fine if your video's are under 250MB I believe, and they have incredible stats! Anyone else have anything better that I am missing?
- Erik Boles
Great great product. Will they come out with a simple/cheaper/easier to collaborate web version (it did not do that a couple of years ago). MindManager + Google Wave could be really interesting.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Surely this year Microsoft will acquire you!; have you made any plans for MindManager 2010 that align with Office 2010!?
- James Burke
You could ask them about the following particular aspect of mind maps: its effectiveness, its support in their (and others) products, its popularity, etc.. The aspect: are the labels on the branches or on the nodes?! Buzan's original approach, his books and his software product use labels on the branches (the nodes are simply a place where the branches branch) and recommends only one...
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- John W Lewis
Any plans for corporate collabortion in the near or far future?
- wiredgnome
from iPod
I have looked at them before, and they have a lot (a ton) of add-ons and features, which muddies the waters. It would be nice if they had bundles. With the proliferation of start-ups these days, a cool feature would be the "start-up bundle" that walked you through the "so you think you have a unique ..." process. something most start-ups miss, and inadvertently fail as a result of.
- Erik Boles
More Tablet features such as ink brainstorming mode
- Donnell Walton
What are plans for Mac version, e.g. feature parity with Windows version?
- Thomas Koschate
Do you use it, and what's the benefit?
- Scott Zosel
Are they planning an iPhone version with sync to mac or windows?
- Larry Perlov
from iPhone
I'd like to know what they are doing that's innovative in mind-mapping. Are they making the visualization more fluid? Improving ability to show multi-dimensional connections? Improving the interaction design? I would love to see concrete examples of what they are doing differently, and why it makes a difference. how do they keep us "in the flow" when we're thinking... ?
- Darius Dunlap
Edwin - we're definitely looking to bring mapping to the masses via the web; also, I agree, mapping your search results like Google wave is pretty cool. An integration there would be extremely useful for researching, gathering competitive intelligence, and writing.
- Michael Deutch
James - we're working extremely close with Microsoft. In fact, our team met with their head of innovation last week. He's a MindManager user :) In fact, someone from Microsoft posted on our blog a couple of weeks ago to share that his whole department is now using MindManager and they love the integration with Microsoft Office. Windows 7 and Office 2010 are both on our radar!
- Michael Deutch
John - great questions! We touch on some of this in the video. I've been involved in some internal discussions recently which raised the question of adding information on the branch lines vs. topics. I think many of the mapping software vendors have followed Mindjet's lead in this arena where the focus is on adding content into topics rather than the lines. I'm not aware of any study...
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- Michael Deutch
Amir - Yes. We already offer Mindjet Connect which allows organizations to collaboratively work on maps with a browser or MindManager 8. It also offers web conferencing and shared workspaces to store both maps and all other files.
- Michael Deutch
Erik - you're right on the money. Our VP of Sales has initiated an effort to bundle up product and services to help organizations adopt mapping and implement best practices.
- Michael Deutch
Donnell - I hear you loud and clear. I've been monitoring similar sentiments on the web and passing on these requests to our product team. With the growth of apple's touch products, introduction of HP's touch desktop, and upcoming release of Window's 7, rest assured that we'll take a renewed look at our own touch capabilities. In fact, Robert recorded a sneak preview of what we're working on for Windows 7. I'll continue to be an advocate for you here!
- Michael Deutch
Thomas & Larry - Mac and mobile are definitely on our radar. Expect news very soon!
- Michael Deutch
Mark - Collaboration and easy sharing on the web is a priority! We're also not tied to any business model so you may see some innovative packaging in the future. I'm personally an advocate of freemium models but know that there are back-end costs that must be covered. We're open to exploring all options.
- Michael Deutch
I would love to hear their thoughts on "desktop app" vs. "web app" and why they chose desktop. Personally, I would want all my info accessible from anywhere I am, on whatever computer I'm using, without having to install & maintain a desktop app. It feels so perfectly suited to a web app, and yet...?
- Steve and 4 other people
Darius - we're focusing a lot of attention on collaboration these days but continue to explore better ways to present information visually, navigate large amounts of data, etc... today, you could take advantage of tablet pc's and write your maps, voice technology and speak to your map, gestures to navigate, and more... I think you'll see more about 'purpose-driven' maps. In other words, not mind mapping for mind mapping sake but rather mind mapping embedded into your workflow seamlessly.
- Michael Deutch
Are they doing anything with blog/article/digg comments and mind maps? Maps could be used to group similar comments under a mind map node.
- ydfeed
You could ask why they are not on FriendFeed -- outside of Michael (at least the community labels on their website do not so indicate). Some sort of integration with FF could be a great marriage.
- Brian Sullivan
@Scobleizer: Thannks for the link. reading it now
- David Damore
people shouldn't worry about the culture changing -- amazon bought shopbop.com and it has not changed a bit -- only for the better.
- Patricia
This is part of the evolution of business. I know there will be a lot of worried Zappos employees, but they shouldn't, this will help them in a long run. Other companies, like DSW, I am sure were looking at the Zappos model and wondering how they can capitalize on it.
- Erik Boles
David Damore - $890 million in stock, not raw money. you usually see a lower # on stock as it has a strong growth potential.
- Erik Boles
Excited overall but the one line in Tony's letter is a bit concerning "For Zappos, our vision remains the same: delivering happiness to customers, employees, and vendors. We just want to get there faster." Faster does not equal better.
- Jose Castillo
zappos means nothing to me - I live in Europe. But what an amazing video by Bazos. Low margins need economies of scale.buyin Zappos makes sense to me
- DC Crowley
Jose: the thing is, they laid off people last fall. They also don't have Amazon's brand. Everyone I know uses Amazon. Not everyone I know uses Zappos. This makes both brands better.
- Robert Scoble
Favorite line so far, actually a partial line: "... unless they bake us cookies and deliver them in person."
- David Damore
As an Amazon stock holder, I'm thrilled! :) Been a good week for me, owning AAPL and AMZN
- iTad
from fftogo
Just knew we would see the S word in there somewhere. [The S word is... synergy].
- David Damore
David: I wonder how the cultures will clash, though. Zappos is very transparent and fun. Amazon, closed and not so much fun. I wonder which culture will win?
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer: Sounds like they will have separate cultures. Can both cultures coexist? Me thinks yes. 75% on the upside.
- David Damore
Did this all break after the closing bell today?
- David Damore
@Scobleizer -- Zappos is tightly focused on culture and customer service, which has done them very well, I think Jeff will be able to help them move to the major presence they need to be. I don't see a conflict, I think Amazon can teach them a thing or two about business, and maybe, if the timing is right and people are open, Tony can teach zappos a thing or two about culture and loving your job
- Erik Boles
Yahoo Finance has the first article in headlines as "Amazon buys retailer Zappos in $807 million deal at MarketWatch (Wed 4:32pm)"
- David Damore
I once ordered some brown shoes and they sent black from the same style. When I complained they sent me the brown pair and let me keep both and included a $10 discount
- Mark
Thanks @scobleizer Just caught wind of the acquisition and it sounds like a good match to me despite the culture differences. Culture will take a hit, it's inevitable but hopefully Amazon will bring some interesting elements to the table to balance things out. One of my favorite photography sites http://www.dpreview.com was purchased by Amazon and at least outwardly the site has only improved.
- Rick Bucich
@Robert Scoble ...Any word if this is going to be a Dell/Alienware style merger.. or an outright purchase?
- John Blanton
John: looks like an outright purchase, but who knows? I gotta go do more homework.
- Robert Scoble
Hope Amazon doesn't screw them up - All my female relatives just rave about Zappos.
- PXLated
@Robert Scoble I would hope they let Zappos keep their brand/branding but it's just like you said yeah too early to tell at this point.
- John Blanton
Robert: Agreed, but I hope the desire to grow too fast doesn't kill the service - then it just becomes Amazon Shoes - granted, it will make a ton more money but at what cost to the end user. Should be interesting to watch unfold.
- Jose Castillo
@Robert Scoble ...according to this.. http://blogs.zappos.com/ceolett... .. Amazon will be the only shareholder yet Zappos is retaining their independance... So it's just like the Dell/Alienware merger.
- John Blanton
@Scobleizer recently published this video (http://www.blip.tv/file...) interviewing the two founders of @Vark, both of which are ex GOOG employees. I think GOOG has some cool ideas, and it is because they hire rockstar smart people, but often times those rockstar smart people go off on their own, with knowledge of how contextual search really works, and start an offshoot project around intelligent interaction. @Vark is just such a product. Such a painfully simple concept, but these guys made it work so well.
- Erik Boles
So my wife, Carmen, and I, bought AT&T #g's (2 16 GB) last June. We go to upgrade to the 3GS, and, because I paid the unlimited plan and she didn't, I can upgrade now, she cannot upgrade until December. both contracts were the same, except for the money. Here is the sad part, @ATTNews doesn't understand the new economy of business. Over $100, they are willing to allow me to cancel over $350/month in recurring revenue, 2 32 GB phones and are going to reap me slamming them in front of millions of people on the internet. More indepth blog post about this entire thing coming soon. Who has feedback about the Palm Pre or Android? I am done with AT&T. VERY bad business practices AT&T, VERY bad.
- Erik Boles
When Robert does an experiment, it isn't just an attention getter or a publicity stunt. The questions he asks and experiments he does are backed by a thought process and a desired result set, an then he shares the results with everyone on his bog or ff and entices discussion that everyone learns from. Awesome stuff, he really is "Passionate about the Internet"
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Plus, what's really going on here is groups will soon be used to make searches. So, having "secret" Twitter accounts with different groups will let you build searches no one else will have. FriendFeed already has this and it's INVALUABLE.
- Robert Scoble
You are right Robert, it has no value. Hoarding searches is anti-internet.
- Todd Hoff
Robert, instead of creating secret groups why not cut back your current groups to a manageable number? I recently cut back the number of people I follow on Twitter from over 2000 to under 400 and have found it be a lot more useful.
- Brett Nordquist
The same thing could be done on Facebook or Friendfeed. Why not start with the right sized group from the start or cull it back to where it makes sense for you?
- Brett Nordquist
The big win of grouping and multiple followed's (grouping makes following thousands useful I think) is that it allows you to listen (Reverse asynchronous communication). If you only talk and never listen you have become a 140 character newspaper. Are YOU RAC'd?!
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Brett: because these systems suck. If you have followers and you want them to be able to DM you you must follow them back.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Good point. They can still reach you with an @. And I thought you disliked DMs? :-)
- Brett Nordquist
Todd: I'd love to be able to share the search results filtered by my groups. I've spent a lot of time picking some of my groups and they are bringing me huge value.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, some things, like news tips, need to be private so @ doesn't work. I hate DMs, but I've given up because people like using them. On FriendFeed DMs are actually pretty darn nice.
- Robert Scoble
I'd like to have a local group of followers whom I can ask about doctor recommendations, best place to buy tires or find a piano teacher for my kids. I haven't figured out how to do that yet. I do know that I'm using Twitter, FF and FB for searches I would have used Google for even a year ago. When I bought an iPhone I just asked my followers which apps I should look at first. Much more valuable than searching Google or Bing. At least for me.
- Brett Nordquist
To curate exclusive groups for the express purpose of walling off information goes way beyond the careful selection of groups to monitor.
- Todd Hoff
Any existing business, startup or entrepeneur that isn't using the wisdom of crowds to some level to build the future of their brand is absolutely missing a huge opportunity (and the boat). Great list.
- Erik Boles
Sounds right to me. I'm confused though. You say you're going off FF but here you are. Were you just teasing us?
- RobinDotNet
Thanks for sharing these great examples of content and ideas derived from wisdom of crowds.
- MiaD
this can cause some real damage to existing blog frameworks - when u got Twitter + FF integration with FF links on blog like Scoble has, the structure of these links as such with crowdsourcing is very innovative.
- iTbay
crowd sourcing would work in photography if photographers r willing 2 think as a family of photographers. I do see far and between that a group of photographers would work together as a team, expect in when i saw one in Toronto Film Festival, but its more like semi-professional. Can get into it long blurb...
- polou/indigo_bow
www.wherearethejoneses.com (a marketing product - a crowd sourced comedy for Ford) which informed our recently announced venture with Ridley Scott Associates www.purefold.com - which will use FriendFeed extensively.
- zeroinfluencer
I think the principle is great, but are you not in a unique situation - you can reach many thousands more people instantly than I can... Therefore you can get a broader sense of opinion than if I asked a similar question.
- Paul Kinlan
Great post. I just posted an example of how small businesses can use crowdsourcing to generate lists of any kind. The example I gave was generating a list of Twitter aliases of the small biz / tech reporters at the top 50 major metro daily papers. Granted, I paid for the work via Smartsourcing (Smartsheet + Mechanical Turk) but I got a ton of information for $68!
- Maria Colacurcio
I don't think the question is whether crowdsourcing works or not, but rather WHEN does it work. How do you make sure you are reaching the right "crowd" of knowledgeable experts who can help you? And how large of a "crowd" do you have to reach to get good help? Not everyone is like Robert Scoble, with 97,000+ people who chose to follow because they are interested in technology.
- David Rondeau
Isn't crowdsourcing more or less an amped up version of asking friends and family "hey, whaddaya think about x?" The key differences are that (a) if you're Scoble, hundreds of people clamour to be heard, but if you're new and not that interesting yet, you're whispering in the wind and I suppose (b) it's a bit quicker if Scoble's (a) obtains. Of course, there's mining the data for the...
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- Rob Kramer
I think you bring up a really solid point here. Never before have the people had such a strong voice as they do now with Social Media. As a result, many use it to defame and slander brands that didn't operate exactly as the consumer wanted them to. I don't dispute that there is a need for honesty about brand experience in social media, it is part of the technology, but being positive is definitely a better route. You catch more fly's with sugar than with honey. (damn, my mom was right)
- Erik Boles
They are yelling that because that is the same chant they would say during the revolution 30 years ago. They do that to make it clear their protests are aimed at the leaders, not at Islam.
- Robert Scoble
btw robert thanks for making CNN realize how much their were failing us.We appreciate it very much that you brought attention to the situation when it was starting to pick up
- Shayan
islamic govt certainly cant ban ppl from shouting god is great; also carrying a koran might prevent you from being beaten in the streets...
- Miko Matsumura
They are saying (from their subconscious): I can call on the bogeyman (that we both know doesn't involve himself in our petty issues) just as much as you
- Greg Marlin
Miko, I'm not sure about the Koran protecting you from a beating.
- Jason Nunnelley
These events are quite different than those we usually hear about coming from mideast. They tend to be about sunni vs. shiite, but this is people vs. government
- Blake
Shayan: my voice was one of thousands.
- Robert Scoble
yes I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of it, but possibly worth a try...
- Miko Matsumura
they can't ban ppl from chanting GOD IS GREAT as they are doing this on roof top so its kindda uncontrolable/ and holding Quran is not that helpful as police or guards and plain cloth forces don't care
- Shandiz
Robert: no. i wish I was there now. kinda feel helpless not being able to do much from here. I was there during the last student uprising (1999) and many died in vain last time. hope it's different this time around.
- Shayan
Shayan, I think it's different than 99 this time. I hope the outcome is, and hope the government avoids bloody conflict -- I should say continued bloody conflict.
- Jason Nunnelley
Shayan: I remember that. That time we didn't have YouTube.
- Robert Scoble
Firk God / Santa Claus if you want to know how to make mayhem, message me and I'll give you the plans we should have implemented when Kenya rigged the elections (Zimbabwe and Iran only exist because the world let Kibaki steal)
- Greg Marlin
the main benefit of the chants is that folks can express their support for the cause without being identified. most families would turn the lights out and start chanting. if you are identified, it doesn't matter what your chant says. you are still in danger. so is your family.
- Shayan
It is such an amazing indication of how incredibly powerful social media is now. If this doesn't open the eyes of traditional journalists, I don't know that anything will.
- Erik Boles
Robert, Shayan: what roll do you expect international attention will play in the conclusion?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason/Robert/Erik: exactly. I was telling some writer at San Jose Mercury the other day. last time something like this happened all the government had to do was shutdown 3 newspapers to kill the news. this time they are fighting thousands of citizen journalists. This is absolutely amazing...
- Shayan
Shayan -- the peoples voice cannot be oppressed any longer. You hit the nail on the head. it used to be a one way statement, it is now a two-way conversation.
- Erik Boles
there was a video of a woman reciting in the dark "where is this place?" also talking about the volume of Allahu Akbar chants on different nights
- Eleanor Wynn
Jason: the international community's attention helps in many ways especially by putting pressure on the regime's friends such as Russia and China. It also gives people on the ground hope that somebody is hearing their cries. Human solidarity always helps those in peril and gives them more conviction.
- Shayan
Jason: Iran's leadership has lost all respect in the world. Not that it had much but this will have deep impacts for years to come. There will be more resolve on nuclear issue now. Today Neda. Tomorrow YOU.
- Robert Scoble
they are risking their lives, we are just watching intently, it is all we can do
- Eleanor Wynn
Technology is a huge force that tyranny has a difficult time defending against.
- David Damore
because it comes from so many hidden places
- Eleanor Wynn
I believe the informational freedom (note people: freedom is taken, not granted) is most powerful in its ability to spark action in Iran. If the Iranian people stand together, they may create change. It is harder to kill a very large crowd than a single person. However, until recently, my fear was that the few brave Iranians were exposing themselves as targets for the government. With the numbers growing and continuing, they appear more hopeful for real change.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: I would suspect you are correct. Initially it was just a protest, then as govt. operatives started killing people, it brought realization to the people of Iran, and they realized they had to stand together, for as long as it takes.
- Erik Boles
Have you read the Peggy Noonan article in the WSJ yet? "Whose Side Are We On? You Have to Ask? - With Twitter's help, the youth of Iran take on the ayatollahs."
- David Damore
David, technology is a tool that catalyzes other forms of action. Talking doesn't topple regimes. At some point people have to develop a plan of action and execute it. What they do, that is a big and scary question. This regime isn't going away any time soon without a big fight.
- Jason Nunnelley
Quoting for the WSJ article: "Half the people in Iran are under 27."
- David Damore
the videos are extremely compelling, more than still, you are there with the person filming and the people being filmed
- Eleanor Wynn
and so many points of view, unlike news where it is the same clip over and over
- Eleanor Wynn
Eleanor: I think that is the really powerful tool here. So many raw, unedited, unrehearsed video's directly from the streets. We have been at the mercy of big news post production for so long.
- Erik Boles
To be precise, it might be too soon to call this a revolution, but in its nascent form, are there any signs of a leadership emerging, or stated principles? FWIW, I feel Mousawi cannot be the true face, unless he is seen as representing the principles of the original revolution
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
The only thing that matters in Iran now is, will the military stay loyal to the govt. Everything else is irrelevant.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Robert, Aaman: I'd assume there's some element of justice here as well. The people were granted a vote, told the election results would be respected, voted, and believe now that the government defrauded them. They have a moral standing, even under the most strict of loyalist perspective. At this point, since the government established elections in law, the government broke the law. Now...
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- Jason Nunnelley
It's one thing to be angry with your government. It's quite another to know the law of the land is on your side and your government is in violation.
- Jason Nunnelley
Perhaps I don't understand FriendFeed...I see "Here is why that's significant:" but I don't see any link or text after...
- Tony Zito
@Tony Zito: The reason is in Robert's first comment. He posted the topic, then continued with the immediate comment to explain.
- Mark H
The great thing about this whole episode is that it shows that Iran is a country of normal people - makes it very difficult for any future US government to bomb the hell out of it under the 'enemies of democracy' card.
- Martin Bryant
A Prayer for Iran: Out of chaos Thou dost create divine beauty; amidst dire disorder Thou dost plant the seed of harmony that blossoms into sweet Peace. May you be Free. May you be happy. May you realize all that is good.
- Meryl Steinberg
Free spirits cannot be chained - by any force of arms. The forces of tyranny may silence voices but they cannot silence the spirit.
- Lorin Olsen
I wish Verizon would get some better devices on the market. Their network in ATL is great, but we are always the last to get anything cool.
- Spirit 2.0
Spirit, total agreement with you there. I never have a problem with our calls, but I'm drooling at the other networks phones...
- Aaron Kurtz
Competition among providers is needed. Devices should be able to be used with many providers (which will also lower cost). I think this will happen, but not quickly.
- Outer Surf
I could not live with a phone that does not multi-task, I have too much going on. I have more or less decided that Nokia N97 is going to be my next phone
- Asgeir
Sure, vz Corp is in NJ, vz telecom has been around for ever, and they have soaked the east coast will cell availability.
- Erik Boles
I believe the iPhone is the only thing keeping AT&T in the game. Time is ticking... (Needed to correct original post as Original Android is on T-Mobile, another cellular company holding on an exclusive device for now).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My dream phone: dual-SIM Android with 3G, wi-fi, decent camera & video and that will sync with my Mac.
- Nils Sandin
This is true in Austin as well, just had to switch to AT&T for work & I get dropped calls all the time - frustrating!
- Stacy Hower
To those getting dropped calls, try turning your phone completely off (NOT sleep mode). When you turn the phone back on it will sync with the towers and your reception should improve. I'm on AT&T in Houston and dropped calls are a rarity for me. I also turn my phone off for a few seconds daily.
- Michael Koby
Michael: I do that daily too (sometimes many times a day) and AT&T still has many more dropped calls than my friends with Verizon. Also, Verizon has better coverage and Blackberries have better plans for international usage.
- Robert Scoble
I agree wholeheartedly - iphone please - PLEASE - come to Verizon. Although I am quite happy with my samsung i760 and iPod touch, both devices work perfectly. I wish the ipod touch had a wifi plan.
- Pierre Calzadilla
Here in CHS I have Alltel, and almost never any dropped calls. Never any complaints with the service, and my Blackberry plan is reasonable. I use Skype for international calls though, never cellphone plan - way too expensive on all carriers. I use iSkoot on my BB for Skype.
- Ian May
Robert: I think it's more regional than anything else. My parents had Verizon and switched to AT&T because Verizon didn't work at their house (~30 miles outside Houston, in the country). Since then they experience great cell service. Verizon didn't work for them at the house at all. I think different providers work better in different parts of the country, even the state. I experience...
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- Michael Koby
I'm in southeastern NC and while Alltel/Verizon has 3G service and a bit better cell coverage out in the sticks I've had less than 5 dropped calls on AT&T in the 6 years i've been with them. I have had problems getting texts through to friends on Alltel - with sometimes a delay of a few hours, but that is rare. I know, I know... anecdotal evidence and all...
- Chris Heath
It's what works for you Chris of course, and in your area too. When I first arrived in CHS, I had a GSM SPV smartphone and took that to the then Cingular and tested the network with a prepaid card. It was awful, dropped calls all around the area. They also wanted a huge deposit to sign me up, so I went to Alltel, got a contract w/o deposit, and a 99 cent Nokia. Still with them 5 years later.
- Ian May
The sync between iPhone and desktop on TweetDeck is a cool feature
- rshore
so far my favorite is Reportage. I have tweetdeck installed, but i find it difficult to read, not so with any other twitter client. TweetDeck remains on of my 2 favorite desktop clients, the other being the web client TwitZap.com
- Guess Who
Tweetdeck if they can squash the bugs because the syncing is good news. Tie between Tweetie and Twittelator for now.
- Warner Crocker
Tweetie is favorite for best duplicating the desktop experience. But Tweetdeck has great potential with the syncing feature. It crashes too much right now.
- Curt Moss
I've been happy using twitterfon, but I've been playing with tweetdeck, it looks like I might have to switch, syncing is a killer feature
- Ken Power
I use Tweetie. The reviews I've seen of Tweetdeck make it seem a bit too much for the iPhone. Are those reviews wrong?
- Curt Mercadante
Tweetdeck is the only iPhone app for twitter
- planetMitch
I'm still sticking with Twitteriffic. I moved over to Twitterfon because it started lacking with features, but moved back when it finally got the update it so needed. Don't really know why i like it so much, just always have. Just wish they'd update the desktop version too.
- Simon Wicks
Photogene because I can brand my photos with a text bubble before I upload.
- Craig Shipp
Twittelator Pro: myriad of features including URL inline minification/expansion; configurable RT format, pic provider, URL minifier; copy&paste; saving drafts; tweet URLs from Safari; and many more. one of the best apps I have purchased.
- Dennis Homann
Has crashed when using its browser feature
- Mark Traphagen
My must have iPhone Apps are: > Tweetie > TwitterLink - Allows Safari URL Shortening via bookmarklets > TweetDeck Hopefully TweetDeck can incorporate a few of the missing compenents which are keeping me from dropping the other two apps.
- Josh
Still tweetie. Tried others as they emerge, but the familliar interface to a desktop client, search, find user, favorite, trends all make it very powerful. A rework of the RT vs. Via is in order, but I can live with that.
- Erik Boles
Definately TweetDeck since it's been launched
- Michiel Sikkes
TweetDeck on the iPhone looks great, but I think it's pretty buggy. I constantly get the same notifications displayed and my groups got messed up (and then synced back to the desktop). But I'm looking forward to the next version.
- Oliver Bouchard
Twitterrific without hesitating. Tried TweetDeck but still a little buggy in my opinion.
- Nuno Ferreira
I use Twitterific and I'm pretty fine with it/
- Parth Awasthi
Tweetie. And, judging from the desktop client, it's only going to get better.
- Justin Hileman
Twittelator. No other iphone app is as feature rich as this one. It also works well with backgrounder (from cydia).
- Rohit
I went from Twittelator to Tweetie and now to Tweetdeck on iPhone. Tweetdeck is the best thing out there right now IMO for hardcore tweeting, However, Tweetie still rules as a simple, elegant, beautiful UI, client for everyone else.
- Dean Kakridas
Tweetie. TweetDeck for iPhone is nice and is a smooth port from desktop to smartphone, but Tweetie is cleaner to me, not as dark or cluttered.
- David Price
Alex: yeah I use friendfeed a lot more than other Twitter clients, even on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
i tried tweetdeck but i like Twittelator Pro more
- Crusader
Switched to Tweetdeck after using Twitfon and Twitterific
- Jim Haw
Tweetdeck, recent convert from tweetie. It crashes when you add someone to a group column is all.
- Jay McCormack
TweetDeck needs Ping.fm integration for selective posting..it feels the lightest of the iPhone Twitter apps and feature wise I think it may now be the most complete..2nd fave is Tweetie.
- George Dearing
I'm liking Tweetdeck also but I bounce around from Twitterific to Tweetie also. Like the multiple columns in Tweetdeck.
- Jeff Gamble
Definitely Tweetdeck.. I wish I hadn't paid for tweetie..
- Can Koklu
TweetDeck after using TwitterFon for a while. Never used Tweetie and probably won't now. Background notifications on the iPhone would be cool. I can use it for @replys or DMs.
- Rolf Schewe
Sadly, I don't have an iphone. Anyone know of a good free symbian app?
- Pranav Bhasin
still using tweetie - have tweetdeck if I need to reference through my groups. but when i am mobile i usually only have time to pay attention to replies and directs - so speed and such is more important. Tweetie wins for me.
- Tony
I like Tweetie. Nice streamlined interface. Although Tweetdeck is nice, I just haven't used it as much since it came out.
- John Fox
I am still using Tweetie but just installed TweetDeck.. seems cool.
- nickgs
Love new tweetdeck on iPhone but it's too crashy, darn it!
- Susan Beebe
No mention of Nambu here. I use that on MacBook. Anyone use their iPhone client? What do you like/dislike about it?
- Larry Hawes
I have tried Nambu but use Twittelator Pro and occasionally Twitterific. Tweetdeck would have to be exceptionally good to be better than either of those.
- Gilbert Harding
Tried Tweetdeck (which is my desktop app) on iPhone for a couple of days. Too fiddly. Went back to Twitterfon. Really compact and streamlined. Now trying out Flock on desktop instead if Firefox/Tweetdeck combo.
- Narain Jashanmal
Although I have been playing with tweetdeck these past few days, I would still vote for tweetie
- Thomas Chai
@Pranav Bhasin: Gravity is a good twitter app for symbian.
- Hugh Macdonald
I'm using Tweetie, but edging closer to trying Tweetdeck. Tweetie does do everything I need right now.
- Martha
TweetDeck! Used to be Tweetie, but TweetDeck is far better!
- Farrell Kramer
I use TwitterFon (nonPro), but have been trying TweetDeck out. It is a little buggy as so far it has crashed out everytime I have used it, but I know this is v1 so am sure it will get better. I actually really like the interface as it is very well thought out. My only other gripe is that you need to go into a tweet's detail to go to a hyperlink, as opposed to twitterfon (and tweetie...
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- travispuk
Twitterrific 2.0 (The $4 Premium version). The UI is just spectacular. Combining all your replies and DMs in one stream, but still allowing them to be viewed separately, makes it really easy to interact with Twitter as a stream. Plus, more often than not, I find myself using the multi-post window to easily switch a DM to a reply, or vice versa. It's just great.
- David Chartier
Twitterrific 2.0 , tweetie and Tweetdeck in that order
- Wayne Sutton
TweetDeck, despite the occasional crashing, is my favorite right now.
- Paul Maez
Tweetdeck for sure. I like the feel and look of it.
- John Ford
Twitterrific and twitterfon for picking ppl across tweets to thank.
- Dave Blankenship
from BuddyFeed
I use Tweetie. I tried TweetDeck but it crashed when doing what should have been simple operations.
- Michael Koby
Reportage has a very refreshing approach. I love it
- Guillaume Thoreau
oh Robert Robert... you should really add a poll to your threads from time to time :) as for your question: I have to say that TweetDeck is not my fav until someone new will launch a better app.
- Orli Yakuel
I use Nambu because of Friendfeed integration, but if TweetDeck gets this I would definitely switch
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
Had Twitterific and TwitterFon for seperate accts, but TweetDeck is the best of the bunch.
- Dave Martinez
I bought Tweetie, but it seems limited after using other Twitter apps. My favorite is SimplyTweet, lots of features that work well and is being updated often.
- Brandon
from BuddyFeed
I was a Tweetie guy, but Tweetdeck may be replacing it for me.
- Joey Gibson
I played with TweetDeck and liked it, but I simply don't use all of the custom panel stuff that it does, so Tweetie does the job for me just fine. The UI is awesome, responsive and (above all) simple. It does exactly what I want and, more importantly, what I expect it to do.
- Brett Kelly
Tweetie : very stable and reliable. Does need a refresh but nice customization options make it for that.
- Ashish
TweetDeck is my favourite app for the iPhone, although Tweetie is a close second. The sync feature and what I think is slightly better navigation through the different columns put TweetDeck ahead. TweetDeck is also free, which if I hadn't already bought Tweetie, may have had some importance.
- Antoniu
I like Tweetie because if I get behind or want to see older tweets, I can just click "More" and it loads more of them. Can't figure out how to do that on the desktop version of TweetDeck, so I'm assuming teh iPhone version doesn't do it either.
- RobinDotNet
I like Tweetie. I tried the new TweetDeck and couldn't get into it. So my combo is seesmic on the desktop and Tweetie on the iPhone. We'll see what happens when seesmic introduces their iPhone app, though.
- Josh Asbury
Was twitterfon fan but the Tweetdeck groups sync is a winner.
- Gregory Go
from iPhone
Love your site. Didn't want to post a spammy type comment on one of your posts so told you here. Peg Corwin (SCORE Chicago) should be contacting you soon (or just subscribing for awhile to check you out) I recommend her highly as a source of great information/knowledge. She's a very quick study re: social networks and business.
- Molly
Don't forget about booze (another 'comfort' for some that fits online with the staple purchase theory). The craft beer industry has grown exceptionally during the recession.
- Erik Boles
This is an excellent snapshot of how many "great ideas" don't make it. A great idea is only a fraction of the success. Marketing it, protecting it, engaging your audience, leveraging partnerships, the list goes on for a mile.
- Erik Boles
what an incredible idea Dave -- well done. I would LOVE to go on this. unfortunately, I will be in the beautiful state of Iowa speaking to a bunch of geeks about enterprise security in a social media engaged world. Enjoy.
- Erik Boles
I liked this article when it posted, but there are some caveats. Everyone is looking at the NYT and their "future of news R&D lab". well, if the people that represented NYT at SxSW were any indicator of their future, it is bleak at best. They proved to be part of the collective newspaper mentality rather than someone presenting a solution. Likewise, ex Rocky Mountain News employees...
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- Erik Boles
FriendFeed as a chat engine? I'm not seeing how that's a good idea...unless they build a new interface on top of FF that turns a single thread into an actual chat. The FF interface is not conducive to keeping up with extremely long threads. It's actually a PITA. EDIT: In before 100 comments!
- Rahsheen?