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PicPosterous Test - http://piair.posterous.com/picpost...

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Robert Scoble

Great book by @chrisbrogan:

August 21 from email - Comment - Like - Share

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I've now read it and everyone who wants to change the world should read "Trust Agents: using the web to build influence, improve reputation, and earn trust" by Chris Brogan and Julien Smith. - Robert Scoble from email

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Still don't like that title. - WorldofHiglet

Excellent book - devoured it! Although - got to agree - the cover a little communist feeling. Took it off on the plane just to feel, well, less sickle and hammer. - Mary McKnight

Couldn't put it down last night even though I was on a 24 hour day - Dave Ferrick

I really enjoyed Chris & Julien's talk. As Chris said initially, the book is something that any one of us would've written and I agree. It was just really nice to hear echoed back to me in a far more more well thought out way the things I've been realizing myself since launching Misanthropic Geek. - Akiva Moskovitz

Robert, Thanks for the hype. Why don't you write a decent book review instead? I'd love to read your in-depth synopsis. - William Mougayar from iPhone

William: it is a freaking great book. You can pay me $40 for a good review. Geesh. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Hmm, Robert: don't tell everyone your price - that's not good policy :) - WorldofHiglet

You read it? - Eric

This is an excellent book. However, trust is a journey into the unknown and we all know that the unknown is at the root of the fear emotion. If this concept is to take hold, some of what was valued in the previous century, information and exclusivity, will be devalued in this century, If we don't, much of this social media era will be a waste of time. Here is the first of a two part interview with Brogan on Trust Agents http://bit.ly/8pzOm enjoy. - Albert Maruggi

So I Google 'book review trust agents Chris brogan' and the 11th result is this very post (boomerang!). I was trying to find a real review by an unbiased non-friend of Brogan that I shld trust more than friends of Brogan. - William Mougayar from iPhone

I can't wait to get my copy of the "Trust Agents" book. Chris Brogan is one of the smartest guys writing today! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

William everyone is a friend of Brogan's and that is why he is a trust agent and why you are having trouble. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Naturally, I'll have to track down this book and read it. - Dennis Jernberg

What's a book? - Cliff Gerrish from iPhone

Cliff: a thing you read on a Kindle. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

or on your iPhone (Kindle app) - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Just clicked the Amazon "Tell the publisher!" "I'd like to read this book on Kindle" link. Actually yes, on iPhone Kindle. - Peter Thistle

Robert - But the hype doesn't serve a friend. That was my point. Substantial statements go further than "read this, it's great". I was looking for 1 or 2 nuggets. "...will change the world" is a hype statement,- but I get your enthusiasm. - William Mougayar from iPhone

William: it has tons of stories and ideas of how you can gain trust, credibility, etc and use that to improve your business. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

bought one yesterday - got it signed! Whoot! - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

I'm reading mine on the plane ride home. - Jim Turner

After all these reviews I'm really looking forward to reading this. - Daniel W. Crompton

I'm looking forward to reading this too, ASAP. - Michelle Nicol

Steve Rubel

I am seeing a lot of my Friendfeed followers asking to follow me on Facebook but I treat the networks differently - for now.

August 13 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Me, too. I'm trying to think about what to do with that. - joey

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I've seen the same thing. I haven't ignored any friend requests, but I won't be approving any until I get my privacy settings worked out. - Jason Huebel

Might actually make more sense to gather around Google Reader for now, in case Google advances it towards a more FF-ish interface. - phil baumann

I made a special group called "online friends" Now the question remains, can you have different privacy settings per group in facebook? That would be the best fix. - Bryan Lee

THat's my understanding. Somebody was talking about it Monday evening. I haven't tried it myself, though. It hurts my head to wade through the quagmire that is Facebook. - Jason Huebel

My FB friends are soooo different from my FF friends. I dread the day when I need to merge the 2 groups.. - Winston Teo

yes, total worlds collide problem. http://friendfeed.com/metaler... - metalerik

I can only accept more connections on my page at http://www.facebook.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

I think people are being prepared, and they will continue to be worried until they get answers. I am more than happy to invite all FriendFeeders into my Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/louisgr... - Louis Gray

Same here, it's a different level of connection - Amit Morson

I was already on FB. I set up lists to separate my family from my FF friends on FB. I'll set different privacy settings for each when I get to it. - Dennis Jernberg

My Facebook is here: http://jessestay.socialtoo.com - request away! - Jesse Stay

I'm loosening my policies regarding who I befriend on Facebook. Of course, I have separate lists for different groups of people. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

And I also operate under the assumption that nothing is truly private, privacy settings or no. I don't use Facebook to discuss confidential info with my work friends, or private family issues with my family friends. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

Fans aren't really connections, Robert--at least not in the same way. Not diminishing that, by the way. In many respects, I far prefer the sensibility of fan pages. Meanwhile, I'm here http://www.facebook.com/kfitch and happy to accept FF connections as friends. (I have more than one account on FB. Some who are concerned about boundaries might try that.) - Kathy Fitch

Robert has no choice but to use a fan page. And you can still interact on the wall of the fan page. I just wish fan pages weren't limited to one incoming feed. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

As I said, I far prefer fan pages in many respects. Very good for organizations and brands (and Robert is definitely the latter). Just a different sort of connection. (I have fan posting entirely off for one fan page. We'll see how that goes over time.) - Kathy Fitch

I see Facebook as a different animal. Hey there's a staggering amount of content here on FriendFeed, but it's not as overwhelming. I agree, different audiences. - Rob Schieber

I put two of my blogs on fan pages, primarily to keep them off my main feed. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

Yep I am the same. Friends on Facebook, business contacts on LinkedIn, Everyone on Twitter - Tony "Frosty" Welch

I think these walls are getting tougher to build, though, and maybe not as useful. When I built a new FB page more for my business/non-academic persona, friends from my other account started adding me. There's a fluidity about it that's appealing. Tsunamis aren't so appealing, though, so it's all about balance, I guess. - Kathy Fitch

It's funny. When I began with FB, *nobody* that I count as a friend in my personal life was there. Some of my nieces and nephews were there, but I didn't friend them--too intrusive. So, my early connections there were all academic--not classmates, but fellow professors. From the beginning, it has been a professional space, for me--friendly and silly, but professional. I don't do the post baby pics, frequent update on personal life, etc. thing at all, on any network. - Kathy Fitch

I'm waiting for the coming Fan feature. - Hugh Isaacs II

I got a friendfeeders list and a limited privacy list for the "others" Friendfeeders are more than welcomed to hit me on fb - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Same here. I use FriendFeed as a way to monitor what my contacts are doing, and occasionally to interact. I use Facebook primarily as an interaction vehicle. - Daniel B. Honigman

I plan to keep things totally separate; Facebook is for people I deal with in real life (with a few exceptions). If I can't find a similar service to FriendFeed, I and anyone following me are pretty much screwed. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

A while back I cranked up the public aspect on my Facebook account, and forgot all about privacy there. If my friends want to have a private conversation with me, the can use old-standards: Email and IM. Facebook is now the place where I get to know people. (and FriendFeed, but who knows about that now...time will tell) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I use LG as my model. - Pete Delucchi

I think people are jumping to conclusions. There's a mat for that. Facebook doesn't work like FriendFeed yet, and Facebook hasn't sent out a "quick, you've got to redo all your network using Facecbook before we delete your Facebook account" message... what's this rush? - Wade Dorrell

Up until recently I kept everything separate mainly out of respect and concern for my daughter, her privacy, and overwhelming her with stuff, but I have discussed it with her and she feels I shouldn't restrict myself and in her words "bring it on, it might be more interesting than your lack of posting has been." - April Russo (app103)

Regarding Steve's post on his blog, I'm going to share this tidbit (which I also posted to Steve's blog): "I'm really hoping that FriendFeed stays as-is and integrates lots of nice features into FB. It'd be really unfortunate if we lost all of our dedication (I share stuff on FF I like referring to) for nothing. Still, I begin to wonder if FF would have been sold to FB if the FF members... more... - Tamar Weinberg

I was on FB before FF and only opened the account because of some cousins, neice, nephew, sister.....even my mother is on it for god's sake....but I found it silly and drab. None of my family knows anything about technology to speak of. I even have some friends who won't go on FB because they know nothing about social media. When I found FF I was thrilled....exactly what I wanted, and... more... - Bonnie Foster

I use Facebook with my family and because of their lack of privacy I cannot accept business connections. - Eric Gourmet

Jeremiah Owyang

@coverby my hiring manager and friend at Forrester gives news of my departure http://blogs.forrester.com/marketi... (also seeking my replacement)

August 20 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Congrats - love to hear what your next thing is - Erno Hannink

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Congrats and cheers. All the best to you, JO - Dave Martin

Congratulations, Jeremiah. Don't tell us you're going to Dachis too! - Daniel B. Honigman

Best of luck to you, Jeremiah! - MichelleBB

Ahh, you keep the world guessing for a week ... ;-) - Zoli Erdos

good luck - Nisse from fftogo

Best of luck, Jeremiah! When do we get to see the news in your "on the move in social media" series? ;-) - Jesse Stay

Good luck on your new endeavor, Jeremiah - Chris Duffy

Good luck in your next venture! - Kevin Krewell

Best of luck ! - Nir Ben Yona

Good luck! "going back into the field to apply the trends" huh? - Kevin Sablan

good luck - Nisse from fftogo

Kevin --it means I'm going to apply where I see the future headed. - Jeremiah Owyang

It's a brave move to leave a job in this economy. But I imagine there are many opportunities in your future! Good luck! - Liz

Good luck! - Rafe Needleman

Moving target. Very cool. You know we'll be following. - Kevin Sablan

Can't wait to see what's next Jeremiah. - Hutch Carpenter

very nice to hear the news from Forrester...you keep raising the bar on us, Jeremiah! - Zena Weist

Thank you for what you have contributed so far, I'm sure there is more to come. I look forward to watching and reading your next chapter! Good luck! - David Cole

So I saw. It was your decision, then, to move on? What's next for the big J? - Ari Herzog

we don't even know what you are up to next but anxiously await the news because we know it will be good for all - daniela barbosa

onwards and upwards. work out a gig that means you can spend more time at home, and less time washing your hands with steriliser! - James

Good luck to you! And from a selfish point of view I hope your new gig allows for your insights to continue being published. I know I'm not the only one who's learned a lot from your writings. - Matsis

Everyone will be waiting to hear what the next gig is and all will be following as usual. Your shoes will be hard to fill at Forrester but I know that they know they had quite a guy and will do what needs to be done. Best of Luck to a real professional social media guy! - courtney benson

looking forward to your next move - Best of luck! - Bill Sanders

good luck! - Kingsley Joseph

Wishing you the best, Jeremiah, and I look forward to seeing you soon! - Cathryn Hrudicka

All the best! - ravi karandeekar

Wishing you the best, Jeremiah! You've made a major contribution to the social media space. It will be exciting to see what you're up to next. - Cathryn Hrudicka

Best of luck Jeremiah! I hope we will continue to benefit from your insights in your next venture. - Kaan Bingol

good luck dude! - imabonehead

Good timing. - Francine Hardaway

Nice! I knew they couldn't cage you up much longer, Superman! - Rocky Barbanica

Good luck! - Mitchell Tsai

Well done - a great send off, too! - WorldofHiglet

Andrea Vascellari

Personas - How does the Internet sees you - http://personas.media.mit.edu/

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Personas is a component of the Metropath(ologies) exhibit, currently on display at the MIT Museum by the Sociable Media Group from the MIT Media Lab. It uses sophisticated natural language processing and the Internet to create a data portrait of one's aggregated online identity. In short, Personas shows you how the Internet sees you. - Andrea Vascellari

Marco Raaphorst

FriendFeed looks great. Usability is super :-)

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Christopher Murvine

Top Five Types of Twitter Messages to Grow Your Business (via feedly) - http://smallbiztrends.com/2009...

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Robert Scoble

PayPal Denies $450 of Unauthorized Charges - http://chris.pirillo.com/2008...

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PayPal are the single worst payment processor the world has ever seen, and they have deliberate policies of corporate thievery which totally screw their customers. It took me three years to cancel my account with them, and that was only possible after the registered credit card expired. $450 is nothing. Some have been taken for tens of thousands. - John Samuelson

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Please see http://www.paypalsucks.com/ for many examples. - John Samuelson

OK, so Apple messed up their security, they charged the wrong man, and shipped the increadibly valuable giftcards for content licensing. However, PayPal has to pay the bill for Apple's mess. And this would cost PayPal some real USD 450, while Appla would have lost the some licensing income it was not entitled to in the first place. This is not to say that PayPal should not be a LOT more prepared to protect their customers. However, Apple is much more to blame. Hey Apple, give that man his money back! - Andrey Andreev from twhirl

According to PayPal accepting their ToS (Terms of Service) in effect means you waive your rights to credit card consumer protection laws if you want to use their service, and that you may not issue a chargeback for unauthorized use of your credit card and PayPal account, or if you do, then they have the right to limit your account. Is this legal? We don't know. But it's how Paypal operates. See my credit card waiver page for more information. - John Samuelson

I have a 2 posts about PayPal difficulties that I experienced lately and I get overwhelmed with negative reactions from Dutch PayPal users. Accounts are frosen and the users can't do a thing about and little reaction from Paypal. - Erno Hannink

Yeah, reading this it's really hard to see how PayPal is the villain. If they were responsible for the $450, it would give "preauthorized" Web site owners little incentive to beef up their security or audit their systems. After all, PayPal would be on the hook for any problems that arose. I'd think differently if PayPal's system had been compromised, resulting in a loss. - mrshl

This post seems off target to me. Apple is the company that currently has $450 of his money. Why would PayPal be responsible for paying him back? - Dan T

That seems like the correct course of action on Paypal's part, to have Apple reverse the charge and not Paypal. If Apple is the cause of the issue (admittedly) then they should have no problem reversing it. Unfortunately, instead of authorizing each transaction, he used a pre-approval option that allows Apple to directly take out the money without his authorization, otherwise it would have likely been resolved much sooner and more easily than this. - cmiper

PayPal sucks. Heard HORROR stories from my business friends. A lot of top people at PayPal have gone on to great business positions, but they've always sacrificed customer service (from what I heard). (1) I leave as little money as possible in my PayPal accounts (2) Do NOT connect PayPal to any bank accounts with serious money in them. Open a new bank account just for PayPal. PayPal has been known to suck $5-10K back from a bank account. They are not a bank, and not subject to the usual regs! - Mitchell Tsai

A real CC/Bank gives you an EXTRA layer of protection & added clout when negotiating with a seller. Not only will I take you to court, my bank will reverse the charge. You forfeit that with PayPal (something to consider with all these business ideas for internet money-handling) and with Debit Cards. I've had a bad credit-reversal argument with Washington Mutual concerning my Debit Card (only $99, but it's the principle). Now I use disposable $25 debit cards for internet nonsense (& hotel reservations). - Mitchell Tsai

Maybe if enough people raise hell about this, they will snap out of their pipedream and realize that a potential exodus of millions of customers and dollars would not produce a net gain, and that their petty fretting over pittances could cost them a real fortune. - david beckwith

Err, but what other choice do I have? - Yuvi

That is why I keep my PayPal account "Un-Verified", use a card with VISA on it for member protection and only when I go into a selling streak do I verify to an bank account specifically for that use, with minimum funds in it. Say $20. PayPal can do things to me as they wish. When they have, I called VISA, told them what happened and they handled the situation within a few hours as matter of fact. - Greer Trice

There is a great saying I once heard "You may agree to waive anything you please, but that does not change the rule of law". The quote was from the California Department of Labor, in reference to System Administrators being subject to overtime as opposed to what their employment agreements state. So PayPal can say what they wish, fraud is fraud. - Greer Trice

I once had a huge problem with eBay and it was semi-combined with Paypal. Paypal came to bat, for me, and offered to pay eBay, on their own, to resolve the situation. Ironic considering they really are one-in-the-same, but my eBay seller account needed immediate action and only Paypal had a customer service telephone option. I've decided to limit my connections with them.. to limit my own personal liability.. because of what I've read.. for many years, now. - Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau

pls i need your help about credit card.. pls i need credit card to register in. in one site - kola

moqub

Gewonnen met invullen enquete surfnet - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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Gefeliciteerd! - Pierre Gorissen

thanks, kan ik je de volgende keer met twee flips tegelijk filmen :) - moqub

cool - je kunt er ook 1 weggeven via je blog :) - Erno Hannink

Nils Geylen

Tell your clients why web standards should matter to them - http://www.thatwebguyblog.com/show_ar...

June 22 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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In all likelihood your client doesn't know what web standards are, or they have a grossly uninformed interpretation. One of my clients once said very matter-of-fact "it's making the design look a certain way". Kudos for trying. But guesses like that personify the standard interpretation of what clients think web standards are - that it has something to do with how the web site looks. - Nils Geylen

Nils Geylen

Microsoft Typography - Font properties extension, version 2.30 - http://www.microsoft.com/typogra...

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If you right click on a font file in Windows its basic properties are displayed. This extension adds several new property tabs to this properties dialog box. These include information relating to font origination and copyright, the type sizes to which hinting and smoothing are applied, and the code pages supported by extended character sets. - Nils Geylen

Nils Geylen

Checking for installed fonts with @font-face and local() - http://www.broken-links.com/2009...

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Firefox 3.5 was released earlier today, and joins Safari in supporting the @font-face rule with OpenType and TrueType font families, allowing you to use a wider range of fonts in your designs (as long as they are correctly licensed, of course). - Nils Geylen

Dan Schawbel

8 Ideas to Turn Your Successful Blog into a Book - http://personalbrandingblog.com/8-ideas...

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Sabina Baciu

Take Your Design To The Next Level With CSS3 | CSS | Smashing Magazine - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...

June 15 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Cascading Style Sheets were introduced 13 years ago, and the widely adopted CSS 2.1 standard has existed for 11 years now. When we look at - Sabina Baciu

Sabina Baciu

PR2.0 - http://www.briansolis.com/

June 15 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Brian is a great guy - did you read some of his ebooks (free download)? His latest book - Putting the public back in Public Relations" is also a great read. - Erno Hannink

Sabina Baciu

The Pro Designer - Just Awesome Design Information To Help Make Your Life Easier - http://theprodesigner.com/

June 20 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Tips and tricks for graphic design / web design - Sabina Baciu

Robert Scoble

Just because I've been verified on Twitter doesn't mean that I've written every Tweet. Details here:

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Hah @PeterHimler I remember the day when Arrington grabbed my cell phone and immediately Twittered "I'm an idiot." - Robert Scoble

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You can tell if you are a verified account, because it says "verified" when you visit http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- that makes me feel very weird. - Robert Scoble

Embrace it, Robert :-) - Jesse Stay

Looks like they're doing it for people that have had known impostors. - drew olanoff

Is that you Robert? Or is it your stand in? ;-) - Rutger Blom

Anyway, if someone steals my account, or my cell phone, like Arrington demonstrated, how will Twitter know it's not me? They can't know. What if Arrington had changed my password while he had my cell phone? How would I let Twitter know? - Robert Scoble

What was the verification process? - Brian Sullivan

So have people decided to impersonate Scoble? - Kenneth

Robert, how much are verified accounts and what are the requirements for getting them? - Daynah

Robert, what about all the apps that have your password? - Jesse Stay

Brian, you need to leave a DNA sample. - Rutger Blom

Perhaps I should create a @RobertScoble account and see if I get more followers than Scoble? :) - Kenneth

drew: yeah, celebrities, I guess. I have impostors. But I found they aren't that much trouble. Everyone knows the real Scoble. Just like everyone knows the real Shaq. But Twitter is doing that to make celebrities feel better. - Robert Scoble

Will they do a verified account for everyone? Or just if you go over 1k followers? - Dan Harbison

@Robert and to avoid lawsuits see: Tony Larussa - drew olanoff

Would the real Robert, please step forward! - Trad Robinson

I can verify to an extent that you're real. If you're on > x number of SocialToo whitelists, and not on very many SocialToo blacklists, there's a good chance you're real, or very interesting. - Jesse Stay

If you watch Facebook's Caitlin O'Farrell she recommends to celebrities that they "self verify" but talking to a video camera and saying "this is my account" and putting it online. I do that every few days, today on Fox News. :-) - Robert Scoble

next step: Twitter should require DNA tests before every tweet. - Esteban Panzeri Glas

Somebody call Robert. His Friendfeed account is hijacked. - Rutger Blom

lol Rutger. - Daynah

Jesse: that's a good example of how an algorithm could verify which one is real, although that would get gamed by someone interesting. Fake Steve Jobs, for instance, might look to an algorithm like he's "real." Well, except for the fact that he used "fake" in his name. - Robert Scoble

Rutger: prove that this isn't Scoble. Or prove that it is. :-) Sometimes I'm not myself, what then? - Robert Scoble

The real Robert wouldn't be on Fox News... I think we need a DNA test! - Trad Robinson

Robert, lol - Rutger Blom

Oh, and what about the celebrities that are verified, but don't write their own Tweets. Like Guy Kawasaki, for instance. - Robert Scoble

My question is this: the Internet is supposed to be a equalizer right? Well what if you have the same name as a celebrity. I understand the logic of giving it to celeb over joe blow but what if there is an A list celeb and a B list celeb with same name or if the B list celeb is a famous scientist but the A list is an actor. It's seems to me to be a flaw in the whole username as verification. Interesting debate on this - especially with the facebook drama that begins tonight at 12:01. - Mike Bracco

Robert, I think this says that every Tweet from you from now on should be with a link to a video of you saying what you Tweeted. That way we can be sure. - Jesse Stay

Mike: the Real Shaq doesn't have his real name. It doesn't bother him. - Robert Scoble

Here, do a Google search for "Shaq Twitter" and see what comes up: http://www.google.com/search... - Robert Scoble

See, Google knows who the real Shaq is. - Robert Scoble

If everyone in the world had a verified FF account then we wouldn't need to have individual verification on all the other accounts. right? - Mike Bracco

So Twitters new "verified accounts" is really smoke and mirrors behind the scenes? - Kevin Whalen

It makes me feel safer... - Steve Brand

It''s a verified account, not a verified person... which tells me it's not a 14 year old in his basement pretending to be Britney - Jorge Escobar

Yeah, I guess Google knows all. In that sense it's really only the people who are not really "in the know" who could be fooled by fake accounts. - Mike Bracco

I'm also into the verify Twitter account business. I verify people that follow me and then I either follow back, do not follow back or block them. Works very well. - Rutger Blom

Now, does Britney know how to read or write? Probably not. - Jorge Escobar

I want to know who's funding this - Jim Schweitzer

Jorge: yeah, maybe you have a point. Funny, that @britneyspears claims it's real, but hasn't been verified. Google pulls up that account when searching for "britney spears twitter." - Robert Scoble

Verified Twitter accounts. The crazy world we live in... - Rutger Blom

wonder why ijustine not verified yet, she should be by now - polou/indigo_bow

There's actually a help page on this topic already on Twitter: http://twitter.com/help... and I quote: "(This does not mean we have verified who, exactly, is writing the tweets.)" ;-) - Patrick Mackaaij

Also: "We're working to establish authenticity with people who deal with impersonation or identity confusion on a regular basis.", I guess http://twitter.com/ev is not one of them. - Patrick Mackaaij

Guess who's not the real Barack Obama http://twitter.com/barack_... - Jorge Escobar

GuyKawasaki hasn't been verified yet :( - polou/indigo_bow

Jeremiah Owyang

Caption this Photo on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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See? You're on Candid Camera! - Michael R. Bernstein

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Be afraid...you're next! - Shevonne

Jeremiah if you don't get your fortune 500 clients on seesmic desktop im going to get :: points :: that guy to come after you. - sean percival

the bathroom is down that hall and on the left - Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)

Pull my finger - Luke Stay

I think that guy just nicked your camera. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

The sister on the right is yours. - Kevin Whalen

Lean economic times forced the producers of Rush Hour IV to make some unfortunate casting choices. - Chris Baskind

I didn't know Jackie Chan and Vin Diesel were making a movie! - Gregg Morris

lol - Jeremiah Owyang

Jeremiah and Mr. Clean. - Dave Winer

You don't wanna step to me, still claimin' D-P-G, till the day I D-I-E - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

I just don't have anything better to add that what's above. If I HAD to name a favorite(s) it would be Luke's and Chris's. - Molly

Jeremiah and the Bullfrog. - Trish R

Looks like the sign off of a challenging team for the WWE Tag Team Wrestling Championship. Probably not gonna win either. - Aron Michalski

Join us next week on .... Who Wants to be a Thousandaire! - Kevin Pedraja

BADDA-BING! - Andrew Trinh from BuddyFeed

We are.. two wild and crazy guys! - Nick Martin

Just remember - He's Starsky and your Hutch, OK? - Brent - Loving Life

book him Dano - Thomas Power

That's my bicycle...the one with the flower on the basket. Isn't it me? - sean808080

I'll find you too, if you don't use Seesmic. - Denise Aday

THIS bright-eyed guy is converted, and YOU are next! - Rick Cogley

Robert Scoble

Thanks for the photo Techmama! (She got me using my equipment on board the Nimitz): - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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nice. visited the nimitz when i was 11 years old in France. lots of memories - Ouriel Ohayon

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The photos I was shooting with that monster lens, which is a 600mm f4.0 Canon L Series lens on a Canon 5D MKII camera (I had my old 5D with me too, and it's holding a 70-200 f2.8 Canon L Series lens): http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Robert Scoble

THAT is really a monster! - Olcayto Cengiz

Just had a moment of lense envy :) - Asgeir

Asgeir: no need to be envious. You can rent these lenses from some camera shops (I rented this one from Keeble and Shuchat in Palo Alto for $300 a week. Far more affordable than the $8,000 or so it'd cost to buy a new one). - Robert Scoble

Rental shops are great for getting the right equipment for the occasion without having to buy it. Makes life so much easier on the bank account. - Jim Lavin

Robert, here's a good one of you + Guy: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Andrew Nystrom

Another one w/ you, your gear + smiley Dave: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Andrew Nystrom

And one of your roomie and the #hastag mafia: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - thanks for sharing all your great pics. Really enjoyed the on-board convo, too. - Andrew Nystrom

that lens is so crazy.. it must be such a pain in the ass to lug around everywhere.. whats it weigh, like 25 lbs? its like carrying a small child! - Jason Pollock

Scoble did you weigh it? lol - Susan Beebe

11.8 lb according to its specs - Brian Sullivan

Wow, you actually handheld that lens throughout the visit? Hardcore. =) - ronin

A 600mm shooting handheld? You are hardcore. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

nice shot of you taking a nice shot - Cee Bee

holy mother of god that things huge. - ralphsaunders

i guess this http://www.flickr.com/photos... is the guy on the deck then.... - ralphsaunders

ralphsaunders: yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the same guy. - Robert Scoble

Eric: I had the 600 mm on a monopod. - Robert Scoble

Robert, do you have a blog post about your camera kit anywhere? Just interested. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Eric: nope, although I should do one. - Robert Scoble

I'd be thrilled with a nice zoom that went to 300-400mm. One of these days. - Ken Camp

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Which person is making biggest contributions to the 2010Web? I'm making a list, see it here:

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Here's the list: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... I need your help in improving it! How did I make this list? I scoured my business cards and my contact list and we brainstormed and came up with this list of 325 people. It's just a starting point. - Robert Scoble

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The green lines, by the way, are people who are on friendfeed. That tells me whether they are really exploring the 2010web or not. - Robert Scoble

Got any other people who should be on this list? Let me know here. - Robert Scoble

Over the next few days this list will get dramatically longer and better. - Robert Scoble

*waving* hey Robert. have you met Xiao Fengjin? Founder of Linkool Labs behind the Juice app. http://www.linkool.biz/ and her Twitter http://twitter.com/xiaofengjin -- try not to base opinion to heavily on FriendFeed use. You'll miss out on some cool folks overseas not using it. :) - So Much More Hawaii

Some on this list are journalists/bloggers. Some are very techie/developers. Some are marketers. Some are VCs. Some are entrepreneurs. Some are CEOs. Some are researchers. Some are power users who are pushing the web in interesting ways. I am looking to build a diverse group of people who are pushing the 2010web forward. - Robert Scoble

I don't know exactly who are the folks who are doing it - but the people who are making the great "detect your browser and if a mobile browser, show a well made, fully functional but mobile browser friendly version of the site" (see Gawker's site on an iphone for example) are among those making a big impact on the 2010 web - Shannon Clark

I suspect the people who will are not on the list yet - they are in china, india, or perhaps south africa or denmark and not on the Anglo Saxon radar - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

So Much More Hawaii: I agree. I'm off to look through my Twitter and Facebook lists next. Joelle: that's why I'm asking here, so the list gets better. - Robert Scoble

Good point by Shannon - fixing what's there might be a bigger impact, but it will never be recognised as such. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

But everyone on this list will eventually be on friendfeed. Why? Because I'm building a private group to discuss some stuff with them. That'll help us all eventually. - Robert Scoble

*ack* that was me Robert. So Much More Hawaii aka Christine Lu. (i'm in Hawaii this week for Hawaii Tourism Authority) :D -- anyways, previous comment still stands. Go through all the folks you met in China last year. oh and the Poken folks. they're up to cool stuff beyond what they have on the market right now. - Christine Lu

Robert, send you a request to add some people in mobile 2.0 area. - Rudy De Waele

Rudy, names, we want names! Heheh. Thanks. - Robert Scoble

not directly the 2010 web persay, but I think what companies such as Barco are doing at the very highest levels of display technology (their LED screens were used, some 2000 sq. meters of in fact, for the amazing Eurovision set in Moscow) will have a huge impact in years to come on what we all use for our displays. If display resolutions finally start to really rise (on average) that will impact the web considerably - Shannon Clark

I'm mostly familiar with developers, since that's my profession, so I'd add: Damien Katz (developer on CouchDB), Terry Jones (founder of FluidInfo), James Tauber (creator of the Pinax Project), Brian Aker (developer on Drizzle), Mikio Hirabayashi (developer at Mixi.jp), John Resig (wrote jQuery), Malcolm Tredinnick (probably the most active Django developer). There are definitely more but that's off the top of my head. - Eric Florenzano

Marco Derksen - (founder of marketingfacts.nl, www.upstream.nl), Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten (Next Web, Wakoopa), - Erno Hannink

You should put there tarpipe folks... - Marcos Marado

@robert add Lars Hinrichs, founder of XING http://www.xing.com, the only web 2.0 company to successfully IPO. http://www.reuters.com/finance... -- He's likely to be starting something new in 2010. - Jason Goldberg

Wouldn't it make sense to start out with less people then increase until you find your getting interesting, relevant conversations Surely with too many people the conversation would quickly become overwhelming quickly, and maybe less focused - Chris Lloyd

Chris: there's a method to my madness, but, yes, I have a hard constraint that I have to live within. - Robert Scoble

Matt Jones & Matt Biddulph of Dopplr / Felix Petersen - Founder at Plazes.com, now Head of Product Strategy Social Location at Nokia / Christian Sejersen - Mobile Engineering, Mozilla / Raimo van der Klein - SPRXMobile & Layar (watch that name!) / Greg Skibiski - CEO Sense Networks / Ilja Laurs - CEO Getjar / Tommy Ahlers - Founder Zyb - CEO at Wayfinder Systems - now Head of LBS at Vodafone / -> most of them all at http://mobile20.eu conference in Barcelona in June :) - Rudy De Waele

I don't envy your task, but if you get it right it could be very important for future web development. Will anything be published from the group? To aid future web developers? - Chris Lloyd

Robert, maybe Bill Balderaz at Webbed Mkting. About to release an awesome monitoring tool that will push the folks in that space. And maybe Beth Kanter who does wonderful things in the non-profit marketing space. - Gregg Morris

Chris: this list will form the core of Building43 and will discuss the 2010web in a private friendfeed group that will be opened to everyone else on June 11th. - Robert Scoble

And some of the guys at the W3C Mobile Web initiative - http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ Maybe Daniel Appelquist? Also add Mike Rowehl (coded Admob, Mowser, Skyfire, etc...) - Rudy De Waele

there seems to be an overwhelming US bias to the list at the moment - Europe? Asia? - Russell Lack

If you're making it a closed discussion group elite, I urge you to try not to just have all the known incumbents - they're the people that made 2008. Get some new thinkers in there, perhaps people that see the needs and weaknesses, perhaps a few critics, and by all means people from outside the core US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/NL group. Of course it depends what you want to... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Russell: got any names? That's why I put it out here. - Robert Scoble

Bwana McCall - Savvy, all-around blogger and technology reviewer...Bwana.org - Ciro

That's going to be an interesting list. Has it changed much from your older lists? Some user names both on ff or twitter would be great. I'm going to check to see if I can suggest some. Maybe Michael Fruchter should be included too. - Carlos Lorenzo

If we're including journalists, how about Caroline McCarthy? - Chris Lloyd

Carlos: I'm adding names from Facebook right now. The list is getting longer by the minute. - Robert Scoble

You'll be testing the limits of google's spreadsheet app by Wednesday - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I see other Jasons, but no Calacanis.. - Simon Wicks

Is there any particular reason a) why you're making this list b) why anyone should help and c) why anyone should care? The 2010Web seems more like a Robert Scoble PR campaign than a project with any depth. Where's the substance behind this? Someone please point me in the right direction. - Andrew Eglinton

Andrew: a) I'm building a community of people who are fanatical about the Internet for http://www.building43.com which is why I'm doing it. b) why should you help? Well, because maybe I've helped you along the way. c) why should anyone care? You shouldn't. Move on. - Robert Scoble

Interesting mobile 2.0 choice, Rudy. I'd say Andrew J Scott, Rummble Founder & CEO, should be on the list (@andrewjscott). - Alex Housley

Robert. Is building43 a non-profit outfit? - Andrew Eglinton

Andrew: no. It's a community sponsored by Rackspace. - Robert Scoble

Robert, this is a great exercise. But why do you assume those making the biggest contributions are the ones who are fanatical about the Internet? - Kevin Werbach

Kevin: because I have to start somewhere. - Robert Scoble

Kevin, plus, fanaticism without contribution seems pretty empty. And keep in mind what my goal is: it's to try to get more businesses and people into the 2010 web. To do that I'm going to showcase people who are changing the world with the Internet. That will get their attention. Then we need to show them how they can do it too. - Robert Scoble

Is there any danger of building43 becoming an A-list ivory tower or is this going to be the tech savvy giving back to the cyber peasants? Just curious (which obliterates point C of my previous interjection)... - Andrew Eglinton

Andrew: yes, there is that danger. But it will be short lived because after June 11th you'll be interacting with them. - Robert Scoble

on a country (Fr) & corp filter level I can mention those 2 guys in France. For the corporations they really use and promote 2010 tools to the highest level of those orgs: @ChristianFaure, @dlafont (Denis Lafont-Trevisan) - both Cap Gemini but I do own 0 stock there. They just really get it and they are on FF. Another one that really gets it / use it = Régis Gaidot @rgaidot. also in Germany/austria @bodenseepeter toursprung.com (not on ff). Alexandra Carmichael: Curetogether.com. - Harscoat

If you want to stay ahead of the curve, follow tipjoy: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis... - Bruce Lewis

So in other words, you're channeling Barry Goldwater -- extremism in the defense of the Internet is no vice. - Kevin Werbach

Kevin: heheh. I'm just looking for people who are using the Internet to improve lives, improve businesses, or just plain build something cool. Stuff like Epochrates that's helping doctors around the world. Or Zappos. Or Twitter, friendfeed, etc. - Robert Scoble

I think you can add Nicolas Dengler co-founder of cocomment and co-founder of mixin. - Frédéric Sidler

June 11th. I'll be there man. Just make sure you've installed a helipad on top of that building though :) - Andrew Eglinton

The challenge is that most people don't want to change the world. They want something safe and comfortable. I'm with you -- the fanatics are the interesting ones, and life is too short to hang around boring people. Anyway, since I'm listed as an "Obama tech advisor", I'd suggest people from that world -- Beth Noveck, Susan Crawford, Vivek Kundra, Aneesh Chopra, and some others not yet announced. What they are doing is still in alpha, but is incredibly important. - Kevin Werbach

Kevin: are you in DC? I'll be there first week of June and would love to get some interesting interviews about the broadband policy stuff. - Robert Scoble

Robert, DM me and we'll tawk. I'm in DC about once a week, helping out and making trouble. - Kevin Werbach

You've said how you made the list, presented the list. But why are you making the list? (I hate lists btw -- when presented by magazines, newspapers, websites seem like blatant pandering - to both the people on the list and potential consumer) - Brian Sullivan

Brian: a few reasons. For one, I want people who have done something interesting. Having someone like Tony Hsieh or Joe Hewitt or Kevin Werbach or Tim O'Reilly as a founding member of a community will get attention. Having 200 of them will get a lot more. Second, I want to focus my content efforts on these people for the first month. They have more to show about what the 2010web will... more... - Robert Scoble

Robert: so the bottom line is that you are pandering? ;-) - Brian Sullivan

Brian: no, we are making sure we have a good list. - Robert Scoble

There's a method to our madness. The first 100 people you invite to start a community will decide how that community goes for a long time. So we're being very picky about who we start with. - Robert Scoble

towatch - Arvind

In response to your 'method' Robert. I agree, the first wave of people will decide the story of a community - providing they have ownership of it. But building43 is a top-down model, what's to say that the people you invite will want to buy into the ethos of your community? Doesn't community begin with collective impetus, collective need? - Andrew Eglinton

Andrew: Building43 is both going to be top down and bottom up. June 11th you'll see just what we are building (it's not just me working on this) and you'll understand. Hint: it's very friendfeed centric. - Robert Scoble

Well in that case I'm sold. Final question from me, and incidently I appreciate all your responses above,will there be a provision in building43 for artists? - Andrew Eglinton

Andrew: I have designers in mind, but how far off of graphic design and web design do you want to go? - Robert Scoble

Robert: While not being sure exactly where you're going with this, it might make sense to include at least a few (call it a control group) of stodgy old CIOs and/or a person or two from the likes of MSFT, ORCL or others that you would say don't "get" the 2010web (full disclosure I work for MS). Without this I think you risk having some serious groupthink even with the luminaries on your list. Maybe this is planned for later in your efforts but I can't help but think it would be a benefit from the get go. - David Ziembicki

I wish I was doing a big contribution, yet I am sitting here and waiting for it to come. So that I can use it :) - Alpay Erturkmen

David: I have a bunch of Microsoft people on the list. CIOs? I'm gonna go for stodgy old companies later. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert: Better add David Hyatt (founding member of Safari and WebKit) and Maciej Stachowiak (another lead developer) - Charles Ying

Peter Norvig - Charles Ying

Robert, I see some startup people, but the list looks blogger/journalist heavy. What about those developers who may be the Bret Taylor of tomorrow, like Jesse Stay, Cesare Rocchi (Posty) and others like them. - Rob Diana

Oh I do so use Friendfeed :-) And thanks @ericflo! - Terry Jones

And, BTW, FluidDB is nearly nearly out (as a restricted alpha). End of June, we hope. - Terry Jones

Robert Robert Robert, do you ever sleep? - Myrna

This is all fine and dandy but we've got to have last mile bandwidth. Why isn't there a pure Conduit Communications company out there that doesn't have another agenda? The phone companies have their legacy phone business, the cable companies TV. Fiber to the home is what we need. Not geeks. All those people on that list times a million mean nothing compared to fiber to the home. Why is... more... - Web Nex

Wish this list had a way to breakout who is in Michigan. I would love to connect with these folks. - John Minni

Robert: What about Chris Garrett? Maki (doshdosh)? I was gonna propose Tim Ferriss, then changed my mind, then saw he was already on there. ;) - Shéa Bennett

FYI, Andy Baio is on FriendFeed (http://friendfeed.com/waxpanc...) as is Jeremy Zawodny (http://friendfeed.com/jzawodn). And I'm pretty sure Kevin Fox is on here too... ;-) (http://friendfeed.com/kfury) - Tony Ruscoe

Mark Silva at Real Branding; an outstanding thought leader on the possibilities of Social Media. - Mark Evans

You should add Allyson Kapin who is the founder of Women Who Tech - Sandra

I've been working on how to automate the routing of data streams (such as Twitter/FF updates) so that the network as a whole will begin doing the work of selecting our content for us, eliminating most of the need for manual following/unfollowing. It seems like these ideas could congeal into a definite algorithm very soon. http://joshmaurice.livejournal.com - Joshua Maurice

@rob thank you very very much! glad to be compared to Bret! - funkyboy

theres a top 50 CEO's that twitter here http://images.businessweek.com/ss... on business week - this would be a good starting point - although I think most of them are on here already. - Nigel Walsh

may I be part of Building43 please Robert? - Thomas Power

@Thomas - you are moving to the US? or is this the virtual building.. - Nigel Walsh

Thanks for including me bud :) - Chris Saad

I'd add @bitsweat aka Jeremy Kemper, who worked really hard to merge mirb and Rails into a new version of Rails. It took diplomacy to mold two rival coding teams into one, and as well genius level coding skills. It's hard to find someone on your list, Robert, who is both a diplomat and a great coder. - barce

a bit corny, but in line with Time Magazine - isnt it all of us? - Nigel Walsh

okay, one more not on the list: When Marc Andreesen was on the Charlie Rose show, Charlie asked him what the next big thing was. Marc didn't answer. Then Charlie asked him about who was working on the most interesting stuff. Marc's answer: Andrew Chen. http://andrewchenblog.com/ Andrew came up with the Freemium model spreadsheet... okay, I'll stop. :-) - barce

More fields on Robert Scoble's spreadsheet would be helpful: Affiliation, Title, Facebook Page, Friendfeed Page, Twitter Page, Email Address. (URLs for the pages.) - Sean McBride

Max Levchin ? is another good guy. Co-founder and former CTO of PayPal. - Guy Vander Heyden

'Us' - AJ Kohn

Someone who you don't even know exists yet. - Dean Clark

@yoast for WordPress SEO - Jeroen De Miranda

Robert - I know you have met Sol Lipman and David Beach, founders of 12seconds.tv. - Justin Korn

Robert, btw, John Furrier is on Facebook as well as Friendfeed (you have him listed as FF only). I'm on both - I'll let you decide if I should be on the list or not, though. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

I think you should add Sheryl Breuker, Robert. Her Incidental Interviews are becoming quite a staple and she's a central connector in the social media and communications space. She's on both FF and FB. I think her contribution of bringing the personal side of personalities into view is important. - Ken Camp

Robert- I hate to disagree with you, but some of the folks on this list were movers & shakers in 2007 and 2008 but have since failed to produce anything of note, even simple ideas or concepts. I wouldn't name anyone specifically, but you could stand to be a bit more critical, imvho... Of course, I'm probably critical enough for both of us, and then some. ;) - Jolie O'Dell

have you investigated @andraz and @gandalfar from Zemanta? I think that understanding text will be a killer application for tracking citations and topics between bloggers - Michele Costabile

thanks for the include robert, btw i'm most definitely on friendfeed ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Dave Armano (now working with Peter Kim, et al) - Susan Beebe

Mark Zuckerberg is on facebook ;) hehe - add X - Susan Beebe

@eldsjal and @MartinLorentzon from Spotify, and if there is someone out there who have not tried spotify yet, ill strongly recommend you to do just that. This is the way it should be done not just with music but also with video! http://www.spotify.com - Nerkez

It's pretty good, but Andrew Keen belongs on there. Also, so few women on Web 2.0-3.0, eh? Glad you include VWS with Rosedale and Koster. Wagner James Au has not done anything original in 5 years. - Prokofy Neva

Barrett Lyon of BitGravity and who was one of a handful of people who mapped the Internet - Loren Heiny

Maybe Steve Gillmor because at least he is always thinking about this stuff all the time and working it, even though he's always wrong. - Prokofy Neva

Prokofy: Steve Gillmor not being on the list was a major oversight. I always treat my friends the worst. Hmm. - Robert Scoble

What about Dan Cohen, the Digital Historian leading the Zotero project? He's on twitter @dancohen. They're going to be launching a social network for researchers from undergrad to professor that will open up the research process to everyone through their Firefox plugin. - Aram Zucker-Scharff

Paul Todd [ http://bit.ly/ek9P0 ]. Involved in development of useful apps ( like OneBridge http://bit.ly/XbOMs ) for Symbian phones... - Arvind

Damn, need to work harder to make it on this list - Alexander van Elsas

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Poll: Do you use Google Reader?

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I clearly do. Scoble believes that few people do...I just think that few people socialize within Google Reader - Zee.

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Only via Feedly (in Flock). Does that count as a no? - Ruud van Wijngaarden

no - Farshad

Yup. - Kol Tregaskes

yeah, for sure that counts Ruud - Zee.

Absolutely -- and sticking with it -- Google can do big things with it - Christopher Galtenberg

Indirectly, through Feedly. - Grey Drane

Rarely - Baard @ Pixum

I use it for the few valuable feeds that I can't receive anywhere else...But overall, FF and Twitter have replaced it. - Chris Rossini

Yep. I agree, few socialize in GReader. - Tanath

Yup, but through its API in Eventbox. I understand R Scoble says a lot of things. - Thomas Bøhm

Yep! - Julie Barrett from twhirl

yes - Alfredo

Yes, I do! - Filipe Rodrigues

Yep, but I don't really connect with people there. I just read stuff. If I want to talk about something, I share it here. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Using more and more FriendFeed, Twitter, Facebook and less Google Reader - Ralph

Clearly my most used online app, so yes. All the other tools revolve around it in my world. My dad read the newspaper every morning, I read Google Reader all day. - Bwana ☠

Yes, it's still the best way to track blogs that write about stuff I like. - arjo

Yes, but only from feedly - Philippe Mongeau

YEah. I used to use Feeddemon but I like having my feeds synced over multiple devices with the least amount of hassle. Google Reader works perfectly for that. - Bhavishya Kanjhan

I use it, but I don't use it in a social way. - Alix Whitmire

Of course! I also use FF a lot, but it didn't actually reduce my activity on Greader - Stanislas Jourdan

Yup - Simon Wicks

I use Google Reader almost every day - Peter Stuifzand

Yes. I used to use Bloglines, but I like Google Reader much better. - Joey Gibson

Yes, by far the best RSS reader I've tried. - Martin Bryant

All day long. - Graham English

yes all the time :) - martha

No. - امیر؟

Yes, I do :) - María A.

how do you you read your news Amir? - Zee.

no - Steven Hodson

yes - CW™

Yes, but not directly, I skim entries via my program ( http://ff.im/38Yl8 ), if I am interested I click. So to FF/twitter/gmail/and other urgent feeds - Yu-Jie Lin

Without a doubt. - © b e e n s w a n k

Occasionally. - Gordon Herd

If anyone wants to share feeds; feel free. http://www.google.com/reader... - © b e e n s w a n k

Yep. Still use Google Reader. - Beau Liening

Yes, quite a bit. - Dustin Sallings

Yes, since 2006. I used Bloglines and Sage (Firefox add-on) before. - LouCypher

No. I stopped using it a long time ago when I switched to FeedDemon, then I stopped using that too (keeping up with 200+ feeds was just too much). Now, I use Gmail's Web Clips with 14 feeds (including the feed for popular bookmarks on Delicious). If the item is new and the title is interesting enough, I click. Still, I keep saying to myself: "I should go back to FeedDemon someday." - Yaser Sulaiman

yep - Rich

yes - AJ Kohn

the best app to read news and keep track of favorite blogs ~ Google reader - Srikanth AD

Duh. - Louis Gray

Yes a lot - M F

yes sure, most of the time via feedly though - Naor Mark

Yes..it's the only RSS reader I use. - Bill Johnson

yup, Tried a few others but always went back to Greader, now using Feedly to read my feeds with. - Tony C.

No, never. - Ton Zijp

@Louis Gray you say 'Duh' but Scoble doesn't believe so - Zee.

@Zee It's Scoble. Go figure. - © b e e n s w a n k

Yes, I do. Not regularly though. - Katie is Frittering

Yes, usually daily. - 321

Occasionally - Lu Liu

Yes. It's one of the few things I can access from work so sometimes it's my only contact with the outside world. - Michael Hocter

I use it quite often. Have a widget on my iGoogle home page and still really like the iPhone interface. - David Imielski

Yes, I read from several different computers. GReader is great. - David Slattery

Tried it, don't use it. - Bruce Lewis

I use Bloglines. - Alex Scoble

Use it occasionally. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Daily. I love it. - Andrew

yup - vijay

I use it on a daily basis. It is my primary means of keeping up with all the latest news. - Bob Blunk

I setup google reader with a few local news links, so if I share something it's sent to friendfeed and then twitter. dont use it alot, forget to. I have FF, I let other people find interesting links for me to read. - Mike Nencetti

Yep. No other readers sync with the iPhone as well. Sure, there's NetNewsWire, but I don't like it. - Larry Hudson

Yes - matthew john ernisse

@Alex Keeping it old school. - © b e e n s w a n k

Yes, love it. Also the mobile version and with feedly. - TobiasVerhoog.com

Yes, former Netvibes user, but Google Reader is much better for RSS feeds - Kristian Salonen

Yes via Feedly, which shakes it up and presents it magazine style. - Kate Foy

Yes, sort of - Will Higgins™

yes every day. - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Yes. Best. Feed reader. Ever. - Jason Mayoff from Nambu

Via Feedly - Grant Bierman

Yes, but am really searching for an alternative that allows me to have smarter results... some blogs have posts I am not interested in. Today I just started trying out bytagg. - Sid Burgess

Yup from me. Love GR. - Roger Benningfield

now where's Scoble at? I wanna gloat... :P - Zee.

Most people say RSS is dead because Twitter takes over by being real time. The issue with that is that we ourselves cannot be available real time, all the time. RSS helps you cache that information to make it available when you cannot be in the stream. - Bhavishya Kanjhan

well said Bhavishya - Zee.

I use it, but don't socialize with it - xero

Zee: gloat? With a few dozen comments? Come on, please do be real. I have 89,000 followers on Twitter, 5,000 on facebook, 38,000 on friendfeed. When you get close to those numbers let me know. Then I'll let you gloat. - Robert Scoble

@Scoble How do you mean "what I get close to those numbers?" - can you clarify - Zee.

Use it, but not as a social tool. - invariant - farewell FF

Robert: I don't think he wants to gloat about his numbers. It's about the fact that a lot of people still do use Google Reader or other RSS Readers; they just don't socialise with it as much as they do with Twitter or FF. - Bhavishya Kanjhan

Yes, but I feel I'm wasting to much time with it. Browsing entire RSS feeds is not really targeted and Google Reader doesn't filter. - Oliver Bouchard

I use it for my feedreading, but not socially. - Scott Bulloch

Yes I do, keep it opened in a firefox tab almost all day. - Vineet Bhatnagar from Nambu

I'm still waiting to hear what Scoble's crap about "89,000 followers on Twitter, 5000 on facebook and 38,000 on Friendfeed" was about. - Zee.

Yes I do! - Victor Ryden

@Zee Don't hold your breath. - © b e e n s w a n k

Nope - RAPatton

naa, he'll respond - at least i hope so. Because I'm really hoping i'm wrong about what i think he was implying there. - Zee.

yes I do = but I am quickly finding FriendFeed and Twitter replacing some of the feeds I used to subscribe to. - Tony

Yes! I use Google Reader constantly, in my web browser and on my iPhone. I have RSS feeds set up for my common Twitter searches, too. I also use Yahoo Pipes that I've developed over time to have very targeted RSS feeds. But I don't socialize via Reader. - Kurt Rosenkranz

Yes, I still use Google Reader, voraciously. It has NOTHING to do with comments/followers. Rather, GReader is a tool for being better informed. Sometimes I use my GReader learnings in the real world - in conversation - where we don't formally have followers and such. - Mike Reynolds

R.Scoble: What do follower numbers have to say in this matter, or at all ? I thought you had a statement about quantity vs quality some time ago as well ? - Thomas Bøhm

I use NewsFire, and occasionally Resc Newws! on my PalmOS phone. I guess I haven't joined the "everything's in the cloud" revolution yet. - Joshua Lee

<whisper> I've never used it. </whisper> - Derrick

Thomas: follower users tell you how many people use a service and map pretty closely how many people are using a service, if you can see them in aggregate. - Robert Scoble

Zee: it's not what 80+ people on friendfeed say. It's how many people ACTUALLY use these services. Google Reader just doesn't have the numbers. My follower numbers are a very accurate indicator of that. - Robert Scoble

R. Scoble: people follow more people on Twitter than on Facebook because Facebook means you share a lot of information, so I'm not sure if those numbers mean much in the way of that. - Joshua Lee

@Scoble But how do you know how many people use Google Reader? - Zee.

I don't use google reader, and I use twitter, facebook, and a bit of friendfeed. ;-) - Joshua Lee

But Robert, I use GReader EVERY DAY, but I'm not really socially connected with anyone on it. GReader's main function can be used without any social integration at all - so how many people follow you or vice versa isn't really relevant. Even leaving aside the issue of whether number of followers is relevant at all - it certainly isn't relevant when the core function of a service isn't connecting with other people, but consuming content. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Yes: it is a convenient tracking system and I like the email alerts - Anita Hunt

I use google alerts without GReader - Joshua Lee

GReader != social - Mike Reynolds

Yes. It's an essential daily tool for must-read feeds, as well as for discovery. Social media does not give me the same content as my must-read feeds. - LogEx

Sometimes feeds generate data for social media.... I share a lot of links via email and occasionally facebook or twitter. - Joshua Lee

No. Currently it does not cater for my feed reader needs. - Vidar Andersen

I used to use a similar online newsreader, bloglines I think it is called, but after a while I found having to check a website unweildy - the whole point to RSS is to not have to play with your browser to read information. - Joshua Lee

If you want to follow blogs directly on their site, at least for Blogger, you pretty much have to do use Google Reader. I know I've had that feedback from my followers. - Fossil Huntress

Yeah, blogger is a bit of a closed ecosystem. Very ungooglelike. - Joshua Lee

/me uses his best Ronald Reagan impression "Mr. Brin - tear down this wall" - Joshua Lee

every day for real work needs. for all the rest, FF, Twitter and Facebook - Giovanni De Stefano

Yes. Daily. But I overlay it with Feedly - www.feedly.com - which makes it rather prettier. - Stephen Collins

Much ado about nothing. - © b e e n s w a n k

Clearly Scoble doesn't really want to get too involved with this discussion. Which is disappointing considering he was the motivation for the post in the first place. - Zee.

Google will eventually add real-time and social networking stuff to Google Reader, and especially with algorithms to suggest the best posts to read, then all will use that most - Charbax

I use it. But I don't share anything with it. I just use it to keep on top of a few news sites and forums. - Jan Ole Peek

no, but I'm ashamed to admit it. I used to use bloglines. - Laura Norvig

I live in Google Reader. It's my life line for discovery, digestion and distribution. - Mike Fruchter

Yes. - Deborah Fitchett

I do. I could live without FF, Twitter et al but Google Reader is a time/life saver. - Murray Barton

Not much anymore. I push most of my rss feeds through FF. That way I still get RSS goodness without constantly fighting an unread count. - Tech Introvert

Yup. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Yes - Shevonne

Sometimes. - Jon, the Chilled Beartato

I do. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

I do w/feedly - Dave Martin

I do when I'm bored. It's more a bookmarking spot for me than anything. - Mitch

Yes, I use google reader and RSS is not going anywhere - Wayne Sutton

Yep, pretty much everyday - WRider from twhirl

yes, daily - Brian

well clearly according to Scoble, all of you guys saying that you use it are not part of the majority...and Google Reader is actually a very quiet place - Zee.

Went from Google Reader to NetNewsWire simply because of the syncing ability between the Mac client and the iPhone app. - Mike Bracco

Yes - constantly - Threepwood

Zee: sorry, I had to drive Patrick home. There are a variety of ways to see how popular Google Reader is. Look at Quantcast. Alexa. Compete. Compare referee logs with others, etc. I have kept on top of the usage numbers and Google Reader isn't keeping up with growth in other agregator types like Facebook and friendfeed andthe people I compare numbers with see a lot more traffic from... more... - Robert Scoble

Yes, I love it. - Kate

Absolutely! Key tool 4 R&D. - Jan Friman from Nambu

@Scoble thanks for the clearer and less agro response. I'm really going to dig in and do some research into it because although I definitely believe that Facebook & Co. are growing much faster...as a news source/tool - i still believe it's number 1 and has huge potential for further growth - Zee.

i do and love its integration into everything - Zach Scott

I use it a lot. Get and collect most of my "news" there. - kilbuda

Yes. Ugly as it is. - Robin Barooah from Nambu

@Robin check this out http://thenextweb.com/2009... - Zee.

Sure. Save the good stuff with Read It Later & Evernote. - David Hayes

Yes. - David Cook

Yes - just to read - J.D. Deutschendorf

Yes. I've been using it less because of FriendFeed and Reader's content/ attention data lock-in. If Reader: 1) allowed us access to our attention stats, labels etc. through interactive UI or flat file export (Diigo), I'd use it more. 2) added a simple WYSIWYG editor to the comments feature to improve it as a blogging platform, I'd use it more. 3) allowed for Gtalk chat's around articles with chats that could be appended to the articles (think Gmail with appended Gtalk chats), that would be useful as well. - Jack Frizzell

Yes. Recently I love to use GReader via feedly.com - yezi

Yes, especially to share - Janaree Nore

I'm a long-time Reader fan. - Kevin Fox

Yes, though a lot less since Friendfeed came along - jcunwired

I stopped a few months ago...but now I'm back to using Feedly - love the magazine layout, just a cleaner better way to read (for me that is ;) - Aline Ohannessian

Religiously. - Steven Perez

Off and on. - Parth Awasthi

Yeah - Nicholas James

Yes, at least twice a day... every day. - CJ Guest

no, only a handful of times - Chris Heath

I just import Robert Scoble's and Louis Gray's .... it's much easier - Charlie Anzman

don't know how i would get all the rich data w/ out gReader and Feedly. - michael sean wright

Yes - I don't always read it, but yes. - Brent - Loving Life

i don't feedread anymore. tired of the echo - Richard A.

Everyday - Roger Teh

Yes, probably my second most-visited site after FriendFeed. - John E. Bredehoft

yes - Duane

sure - Alper Umut Çimen

Yes, love it. - Mark Krynsky

yup - Alejandro

yes! - Randy

Yes, every day! - Jonathan

Yep, I'm an avid user. - Lode Nachtergaele

Almost as much as gmail. Don't view or need it to be 'social'. - Adi

yes. :) - Laurentiu

extended firefox with feedly this evening -- thank you all for that recommendation, gReader looks so much better, especially where the folders can be customized with different views: magazine stylesheet enhances the readability of content. [I'm looking into the exposure of private feeds when feedly services are used. Comments? It was surprising how they got to my subscriptions without my password.] - Adriano

Adriano: Feedly is well done, isn't it? It's the only thing these days keeping me from abandoning FF completely for Chrome. - Christopher A Carr

[off-topic @cacarr : ditto, cf. extensions like Zotero, It's All Text (w/ vim ;-), or even Read It Later] - Adriano

Yeap feeds and alerts all in there. - Jonathan Kong

Yes I do, and I'm also pretty impressed with feedly/firefox, but I use that in addition to slogging through my greader feeds. I'm in the process of re-organizing my feeds so I can "mark all as read" without concern I'm missing something I need to see. "a1_events a2_casts b1_techblogs x9_other" etc. - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Sure do, but a little les frequently than in the past - Alistair (alpinefolk)

I do. - Roshan Ramachandran

& my shared items get routed to Friendfeed+Facebook & from FF to Twitter... :) - Roshan Ramachandran

I do use Google Reader but just to read news feeds not sharing or whatever. The number of updates is getting a bit unmanageable now and I end up bulk-marking a lot as read, but it's good to skim through the headlines or less active feeds. - By_tor

Yes, but must admit my usage of it has dropped off a cliff since I started using Twitter more (mainly because it was easier to digest content on a mobile), but think the noise ratio is greater on Twitter, so may go back to Reader when I get the next iPhone. - Paul M Evans

I experience the entire internet through google reader - even twitter and friendfeed are read in google reader. - Ian Tindale

If I share stuff in Feedly it ends up in FriendFeed and Twitter. Someone has to put the good stuff up there to retweet... - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Absolutely! Google Reader is still the first webpage i hit in the morning to read my "a-list" tagged feeds. - Niklas Sjostrom

absolutely! - Goktug Gedik

yes i do! but less and less - Michael

yes i do but since friendfeed came on the scene it gets less and less - (jeff)isageek

yes but mostly through Feedly, and i do use Friendfeed to replace some stuff too. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Yes.. I would never socialize on it as well, the tool is of course, fantastic.. - Daniel Tal

Yes. I hate to admit it but Google did a great job with Reader. At first I didn't share anything but after some tweaking I got addicted to it. The gadget is great too (when it refreshes of course) - Carlos Lorenzo

Yes - Martin Liechti from fftogo

Yes. the only RSS reader I use. Haven't checked out feedly yet. - Ravindran Navaneethan

yes, a lot! - Thomas Lemberger

Yes -- mostly for local/major news sources. I don't really read too many blogs (but do have a handful in there too) - mark

Fuk yea and how ! - viki saigal

yes - Seltoon

Bloglines seems to be less reliable than Google Reader, but I stick with it because it's much easier to use. Complete navigation with single key strokes. Google Reader forces me to use the mouse. Too fussy. I'd prefer a desktop client, but haven't found one that is as good as Bloglines (on Linux). - Peter

Yes I do - Sampad Swain

Yes. I have hundreds of RSS feeds that I read via Reader. I haven't found a better Web-based replacement. I do not use Reader for it's social networking aspects though. - Glenn J. Ward

No, I prefer Bloglines. - Dimitar Vesselinov

Yes - Spencer

Yes, for all of the sites I follow. - Robert Kenney

yes - Sarah Peterman

Yup. Everyday. - Stephen

Nope. - Rochelle

Yep - Mustafa Tan

Nope. - Akiva Moskovitz

I was just checking Feedburner actually and noticed that 60% of our subscribers (8000+) at TheNextWeb.com use Google Reader.... - Boris

Yes, every day! - Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik

Yep! - Adnan Taşkıran

yes - clarke thomas

I use it and Feedly - Nathan Chase

yep - Jayavasanthan J

y, don't get to read everything tho - Artyom

It's the only RSS reader I use. I've tried several RSS apps on my phone and a couple on my computer and none are anywhere near as good as the web based Google Reader, either on my phone or on the computer. So I just stick with it. - Nathan Mylott

Zee - thanks for the link - I followed it and found 'helveitreader' which is nicer still. However, I have issues with the interaction as well as the style. (http://ff.im/3d9Np [http://ff.im/3d9Np] is real) - Robin Barooah from IM

Every day - on iPhone and Mac ... - Patrick Jordan

Yes..I push out my shared feeds to a Google Reader widget published on my blog. - George Dearing from BuddyFeed

everyday - me also having a dedicated widget on my blogs. - diego morelli

yes daily - Lu Tao

yes, daily, for now Twitter and twitter-like services are not replacing it... - roland legrand

Yes, daily. - George Brickner

Daily, it is a complement for specialized interests. - scottnewell

Yes. - Mark H

Everyday, all the time! - Patrik Johansson

Yes. only way to keep track of 250blogs, and its the only remotely Social media style site that isn't blocked by my work IT department. I share stuff not in Greader but on here more so. - Yant

I use reader, but keep looking for ways to cut myself off from it. I hate feeling that I have to read everything. - Daniel Zarick

Zee, why don't you use ffpolls? :) http://www.ffpolls.com/ - bilge kagan

ffpolls is broken for me - Robin Barooah from IM

@Robin Barooah; It's working correctly now. - bilge kagan

Yes. - Blake

@Bilge: Not for me: http://screencast.com/t... - Robin Barooah

Thanks Robin, i told about failure to founder. - bilge kagan

Yes, weekly - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Robin can you tell me poll title and poll answers? - F. Batuhan Icoz

Yes, and I love it. - Amy H.

I use it every day to skim what is going on but don't use it to socialize - Sandra

part of my core tool set... - Richard Zeidel

yup - docrivs

Sure do - Andrew Leahey

I use it all the time. - Pete Gilbert

every day - chrisofspades

Yes - OnuRC

yes. (btw @robin: it's fixed i think. can you please try again?) - Yusuf Güzel

Yes, but not actively. I use it to aggregate my favorite newsfeeds into one giant RSS feed, which I feed into Wizz RSS reader (Firefox plugin). Wizz automatically checks for updates at specified intervals, so I stay on top of the latest news from all services. I also use it to search mp3/filesharing RSS feeds that I subscribe to, and to bookmark useful posts. - LANjackal

Used to use it all the time, but I still check on my feeds from time to time through it. - i80and

@Yusuf yes - works for me now: http://ff.im/3eQqx - Robin Barooah

Yes - Yavuz Karakişi

Nope, i mean i used to but than came FriendFeed - Majento

All day every day, yes. - Ms_Krista

Everyday! - Anthony DCosta

Yes, everyday. - Cristian

I used to use bloglines, but once google added the ability to search only my feeds, they had me hooked. - Davis Freeberg

Yes, its my central information repository.Where i aggregate all interesting RSS ( from almost 150 different sources) so i never miss a beat. There are certain desktop apps which are better then Google Reader but whats great about it is its online repository which works for every device i use to access it. Though i clearly think there is a hell lot of improvement needed. In its current avatar it can be pretty unmanagable specially if you read a lot and you can't be online 24*7. - Abhishek

jah - Furkan Tunalı

Everyday. I have it set up so a can create keyword specific feeds to selectively send items to other sites. - Kevin Shannon

Yes and I cannot live without it :) - Michela Cimnaghi /cimny

Yes. The best reader out there. - "Jazzperous" Isaksson

Yes, everyday. - Peter Kruit

yes, I do everyday. I do sharing too. It works like a champ for me. - Mitchell Hislop

all the time! - Egyirba from twhirl

only with feedly otherwise it's clumsy and ugly looking - Cee Bee

love google reader and sometimes use feedly - sean808080

via Sharaholic only (to share, and seldom), I've never been to the official site, I don't do browser based RSS/Atom - Michael W. May

yup its taking over bookmarking.... - cysko

Nope - Vincent van Wylick

Nope. - Pandu ● IT Optimizer

No. - l0ckergn0me

love it, but wish there were more people on my google social graph - Saul Howard

I'm inclined to agree about the socializing in the reader. Otherwise, as a reader, it's ace. - Bronson Harrington

I do however so few of my friends do I do not socialize there. - Brian Bufalo

yep and I use it with feedly firefox addon - Adrian

No, I don't use Google Reader. - Thierry R. Andriamirado

yep! - Gio

Yep! I love GR - jonas

Yes i use it everyday! - Brian Moore

obsessively - Chris Rogers

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I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:

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1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't. - Robert Scoble

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2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

4. It displays them all better than Twitter does. - Robert Scoble

5. Friendfeed Support in the works. - Jimminy Fuller

6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings - Lee Herman

it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't. - Karoli

5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do. - Robert Scoble

Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter? - Frankie Warren

Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes. - Robert Scoble

It makes it easy to mark spammers. - Jimminy Fuller

6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service! - Robert Scoble

Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.? - Karoli

6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter. - Jimminy Fuller

A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?! - Joshua Lee

Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter. - Fake Elmo

I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose. - Karoli

Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie - Frankie Warren

Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!! - Robert Scoble

Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end. - Robert Scoble

robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie? - Karoli

Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right. - Robert Scoble

I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable - Steven Hodson

Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore? - Robert Scoble

I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter. - Nitin Gupta

Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan! - Jesse Stay

Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate. - Karoli

Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy? - Frankie Warren

Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising? - Robert Scoble

Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed - Christian Anderson

AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful. - Jason Wehmhoener

Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination... - Jesse Stay

Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps. - LogEx

You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers. - Joshua Lee

Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million. - Robert Scoble

You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence. - Louis Gray

Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking. - Karoli

Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it. - Karoli

Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database? - Robert Scoble

For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter. - Louis Gray

Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much. - Mac Sharp

I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil - Bogdan Costea

The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app. - Karoli

Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie. - Jason Wehmhoener

Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently. - Robert Scoble

I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good. - Karoli

But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook. - Steve Chou from IM

Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter - James Poling

for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha - Steven Hodson

Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum. - Robert Scoble

I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL. - Zaneology

Zane: heheh! - Robert Scoble

Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-) - Jesse Stay

7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming. - Robert Scoble

i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble! - Jason Pollock

I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca. - Jimminy Fuller

James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Rahsheen ++++ - Karoli

Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ? - Zaneology

YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it. - David Sheardown

James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too. - Robert Scoble

i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time - Jason Pollock

Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed? - James Poling

But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing - Steve Chou

James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want. - Jimminy Fuller

the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:) - Jason Pollock

Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year. - Robert Scoble

To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter. - Christian Anderson

A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion. - Allan Besselink

Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much. - Steve Chou

Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's. - Jimminy Fuller

Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then! - Jason Pollock

Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it. - rick

Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him. - Jason Wehmhoener

Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago. - Joshua Lee

Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be. - Robert Scoble

I just installed the latest version - Jason Wehmhoener

same mess - Jason Wehmhoener

Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter? - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me. - Chuck Baggett

robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:) - Jason Pollock

I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources. - Joshua Lee

Robert: track is the key. - Karoli

Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right? - Michael Metz

Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search? - Christian Anderson

Karoli: track is coming. - Robert Scoble

If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream - Jesse Stay

Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter. - Joshua Lee

/me passes Jesse some Valium - Steven Hodson

I have track - it's called TweetBeep - Jesse Stay

Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently. - Frankie Warren

Jesse: track, track TRACK - Karoli

Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well? - Jesse Stay

Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately. - Joshua Lee

Jesse, sure. :) - Karoli

I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:) - Shawn Hickman

I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients. - Frankie Warren

I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :) - Karoli

I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit. - Dean Clark

Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move. - Robert Scoble

Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.) - Joshua Lee

our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter. - Jesse Stay

Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future. - Christian Anderson

Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past - Shawn Hickman

Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no - Jesse Stay

The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users. - Karoli

Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that? - Robert Scoble

Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods. - Jesse Stay

Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them. - Jimminy Fuller

robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now. - Jesse Stay

Mike: what do you do at Seesmic? - Robert Scoble

robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display. - Robert Scoble

robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha - Frankie Warren

blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum. - Robert Scoble

Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing. - Christian Anderson

Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support. - Dean Clark

Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display. - Robert Scoble

Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop. - Robert Scoble

Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented - Shawn Hickman

Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill" - Christian Anderson

Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in. - Robert Scoble

@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE - Steven Hodson

I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often. - Joshua Lee

Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things. - Karoli

Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about. - Robert Scoble

Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-( - Jesse Stay

Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look? - Robert Scoble

Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT. - Karoli

@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :) - Steven Hodson

Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera - Karoli

I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory. - Alex Knight

Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-) - Robert Scoble

Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic. - Robert Scoble

Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks. - Joshua Lee

Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party) - Pico Seno

They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left. - Robin Good

Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed. - Joshua Lee

Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK. - Geoff Peterson

Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification - Jesse Stay

Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web. - Robert Scoble

robert: wow - thanks - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve. - Robert Scoble

You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today. - Christian Anderson

Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation? - James Poling

Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier. - Robert Scoble

lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;) - Frankie Warren

Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do. - Alex Knight

Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0." - Robert Scoble

Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely. - Joshua Lee

2010web .. hmmmm - Steven Hodson

Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon. - Robert Scoble

i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse. - Jimminy Fuller

2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year. - Joshua Lee

Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter? - Alex Knight

hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:) - Michael Metz

yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please - Steven Hodson

James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time. - Robert Scoble

good point Robert - Steven Hodson

Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars. - Robert Scoble

Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on - Chris Nwakalo

And it upgrades constantly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;)) - Frankie Warren

Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-) - Joshua Lee

Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here - jyamasaki

I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one. - Robert Scoble

yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web. - Christian Anderson

Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet. - Alex Knight

i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh. - Alex Knight

blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people. - Robert Scoble

Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-) - Joshua Lee

Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe... - Frankie Warren

Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank. - Robert Scoble

Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace. - Christian Anderson

Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage. - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface. - Jimminy Fuller

its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based - Anthony Feint

Yeh, that was abit offtopic - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop? - Robert Scoble

Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe? - Brett Schulte

Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P - Alex Knight

Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF? - Gary Gannon

Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it! - Robert Scoble

Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table. - Robert Scoble

Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money." - Robert Scoble

Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it. - Brett Schulte

I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules. - Steve Chou

Brett: hmmm. Why? - Robert Scoble

Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+ - Frankie Warren

Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform. - Robert Scoble

In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years. - Alex Knight

Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked. - Robert Scoble

Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now. - Jimminy Fuller

Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups. - Brett Schulte

Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it - Jesse Stay

Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well. - Christian Anderson

Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version. - Robert Scoble

This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways. - Jay McCormack

Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet... - Dean Clark

Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down. - Robert Scoble

i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs. - Alex Knight

Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again - Frankie Warren

Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit. - Shawn Hickman

Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy? - James Poling

Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy. - Brett Schulte

Frankie: I wish they would work together. - Robert Scoble

Brett: heheheh. That's Loic. - Robert Scoble

brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry - ursi

Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand. - Brett Schulte

@James .. threaded comments FTW! - Steven Hodson

James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy. - Robert Scoble

Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one. - Andrew Feinberg

+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you. - Alex Knight

"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient. - Brett Schulte

james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop). - Robert Scoble

I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment. - Jimminy Fuller

Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen! - Robert Scoble

Nobody remember the losers. - Steve Chou

James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom. - Robert Scoble

James: pop out the window via the time stamp? - Frankie Warren

Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :) - Brett Schulte

Robert: Thank you this is so much better. - Jimminy Fuller

@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan - Andrew Feinberg

@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :) - Steven Hodson

Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter? - Robert Scoble

Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me. - Karoli

Brett: It gave birth to this chaos. - Frankie Warren

Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them? - Alex Knight

Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do. - Robert Scoble

Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients - Jesse Stay

@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture. - Andrew Feinberg

I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free. - Geoff Peterson

Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: I think they need to be bought - Shawn Hickman

Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter - Jesse Stay

Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system. - Robert Scoble

Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics? - Dean Clark

Robert you coming down for e3? - Brett Schulte

Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."? - Andrew Feinberg

Brett: I doubt it. - Robert Scoble

Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google. - Alex Knight

Andrew, something like that, yeah :-) - Jesse Stay

Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company - Shawn Hickman

Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling. - Robert Scoble

Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter? - Colin

Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters. - Karoli

So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people? - James Poling

Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now. - Dean Clark

I heard Robert is buying Twitter - Jesse Stay

wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed! - Andrew Feinberg

No, Twitter bought Robert. ;) - Brett Schulte

Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind. - Robert Scoble

Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though. - Alex Knight

The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too - Shawn Hickman

it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay? - Jesse Stay

I bought his puppet, too - Jesse Stay

@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better. - Andrew Feinberg

Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is Dead - Bwana ☠

Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future. - Alex Knight

Haha Bwana! - invariant - farewell FF

LOL @Bwana - Alex Knight

I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop - Jesse Stay

Bwana makes me laugh. - Robert Scoble

i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged. - Andrew Feinberg

Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting! - Robert Scoble

I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana - Alex Knight

You heard it hear first (might as well claim it) - Jesse Stay

ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter. - Geoff Peterson

Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around - Shawn Hickman

So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not? - Colin

Tweetie is making money. - Colin

Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two? - Jesse Stay

Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe. - Alex Knight

Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance. - Robert Scoble

@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor - Christian Anderson

bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on - Bwana ☠

Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for - Jesse Stay

well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning! - Robert Scoble

I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason. - nick

Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot. - Brett Schulte

Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples - Karoli

Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers. - Alex Knight

Andrew, I think my head just exploded - Jesse Stay

Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place. - Andrew Feinberg

hahahaha - Brett Schulte

Good night. 330 comments. Wild. - Robert Scoble

Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make. - Colin

@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all. - Karoli

Good night - happy weekend! - Brett Schulte

Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-) - Jesse Stay

(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble) - Andrew Feinberg

/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet! - Alex Knight

and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock - Andrew Feinberg

Microsoft kills almost every business they bought. - Steve Chou from IM

@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really - Steven Hodson

(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller) - Andrew Feinberg

So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine? - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time. - Andrew Feinberg

I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in.... - Matthew DeVries

@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :) - Steven Hodson

That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor. - Matthew DeVries

I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe. - Matthew DeVries

Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide. - Lawrence Di Stefano from Nambu

What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant. - sofarsoShawn

I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however. - Chad Harris

there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow - Alistair (alpinefolk)

@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose.... - nikolas

Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...) - minus-one

Robert is high - Alejandro

amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing! - Jeroen De Miranda

Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false. - Robert Scoble

I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer. - Hummie

Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter? - Lakshman Prasad

Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com - Robert Scoble

Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens. - Thom Kennon

Yeah it's a memory hog - Svartling

Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter - Zee.

Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex. - Robert Scoble

Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going. - Robert Scoble

I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping - Chris Lloyd

Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from f2p

augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking. - Starshadow Rivaulx

Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong. - H M Elius

I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool. - Svartling

Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from PeopleBrowsr

Loic is gonna love this - David Lloyd

so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing... more... - Loic Le Meur

WOW, what a conversation that was!! - Micky

Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh? - Alan Edgett

I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook). - Adrian Scicluna

The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all. - Sean Brady

Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Stephen Pickering

Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic - Webferret

So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert? - Jason Wehmhoener

Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up. - Robert Scoble

It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually - Angus Burton

Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here. - Robert Scoble

Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic - James Hemby

Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even. - Raj Rikhy

Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme. - Loic Le Meur

having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop - Loic Le Meur

Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon. - Robert Scoble

Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions! - Jacob

I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward. - Mike Bracco

Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks! - Mike Bracco

Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris from email

Chad: Thanks and makes total sense. - Mike Bracco

Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris from email

Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good. - John

Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model? - Jim Connolly

LOL. - Mona Nomura

damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic! - Jason Pollock

Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the... more... - Robert Scoble

I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas. - Wo

How do you search Facebook on Seesmic? - Wo

Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu. - Jason Mayoff from Nambu

Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :) - James Poling from email

does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :) - Pretty Monkey Studio

It has 103.33 million accounts - David Lloyd

cool thx mark - Pretty Monkey Studio

can't believe this thread is still active - Loic Le Meur

Wow this is still going on?? LOL - Alex Knight

Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash. - Alex Knight

This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS? - Ari Herzog

Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what' - Johnny Worthington

Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there. - Ari Herzog

Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw. - Myrna

Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe) - Ron Hagenhoff

+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters. - Maxwell Kennerly

I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in. - Robert Freeze

The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking. - Oliver Thylmann

Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts? - Jim Connolly

Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen. - Robert Scoble

Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc. - Prokofy Neva

Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change? - Jim Connolly

I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread. - Jacque

Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic - Wo

Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from PeopleBrowsr

I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds. - Curt Mercadante

*bumps* - sofarsoShawn

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