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Yahoo Launches Microblogging Platform Yahoo Meme - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Yahoo launching its own Tumblr style service, seems to be initially developed at Yahoo Asia-Pacific and launched a while ago in Spanish. I wonder if they can use their current scale to quickly reach critical mass. Let's meme !
- Eschnou
A Look Behind The Curtain At Facebook’s Optimization Efforts - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Interesting Facebook experiment on page load times and impact on user behavior.
- Eschnou
The Lost Formula For Start-up Success. No, Really - http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009...
A must read for every product/service designer wannabee.
- Eschnou
In the future, everyone will monetize their 15 minutes - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Now I just need to make a cool video. Anyone ready to make something really stupid and dangerous that I could film ? We'll share the revenues... if you survive :-)
- Eschnou
(500) Days Of Apple And Google - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Really nice summary of the Apple vs Google crisis. Also made me watch the trailer of 500 days, the movie. Added to my to-watch list.
- Eschnou
Twitter announces GeoLocation API. Track tweets by location. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Finally ! I can't wait to have this integrated in Storytlr !
- Eschnou
The iPhone camera is more than a horseless carriage - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
I agree... until today, a digital camera has only been the digital equivalent of the old analog use case. Things could be so different when technology is combined (even on the lens front... and why should we keep squared sensors and single lens ?). The future of photography is going to be really interesting.
- Eschnou
Is a Perfect Storm Forming For Distributed Social Networking? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Could not agree more, let's start the work :-) "The prospect of a distributed, interoperable, self-hosted network of publishing, reading and discussion tools is nothing new - but the idea is gaining a lot more support as more people react to recent news like FriendFeed's sale to Facebook, Tr.im's up and down and Twitter's denial of service attacks."
- Eschnou
Google Points At WebFinger. Your Gmail Address Could Soon Be Your ID. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
OpenID user experience has been flawed from the start, due to its URL based nature. At least here we have an email based framework that can link not only to an identity provider but also to many other services such as avatar, profiles, etc... I love this !
- Eschnou
The Anatomy Of The Twitter Attack - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
A good summary of how Twitter got hacked, and a good reminder that your mailbox is the key to your kingdom. Have a unique and strong password at least for your mailbox. Don't use the secret question or have it be a real secret, and make sure that your secondary account is active as as secured as your primary account !
- Eschnou
There's one thing NO ONE is talking about in terms of #twittergate (the role of the SUL in pressure on @techcrunch). Will discuss here:
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TechCrunch is on Twitter's Suggested User List. They have been gifted about 880,000 followers by being on that list, AKA "SUL". That's worth a lot of money.
- Robert Scoble
SUL?
- iconic88
SUL? Sulfuric acid?
- Richard
So what are you saying? That they shouldn't leak the docs because they got a lot of followers from Twitter?
- Dare Obasanjo
That they leaked the docs to become more popular on twitter?
- Tyler Hurst
the point most people are missing is that TechCrunch states they have spoken with Twitter. I am sure Twitter execs know what's coming and are prepared
- Kevin
brave new world...
- Bill Kinney
Wouldn't you think the <800k SUL-generated followers would have made @arrington LESS likely to publish the docs?
- Tom Guarriello
Dare: I bet that Twitter is threatening Mike with getting kicked off.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to a post of a dozen screenshots of Twitters admin panels http://www.nowhereelse.fr/admin-t... "There are 187 featured SUL Uusers"
- Mark
Tom: it's gotta be one consideration Mike is considering.
- Robert Scoble
Techcrunch did mention in one of their posts that Twitter is generating a lot of traffic for them. So the SUL does work for them. And it works for twitter as they stop TC from posting the documents
- Sidharth Dassani
Sure, Robert. But he's pushed it this far despite the SUL factor.
- Tom Guarriello
SUL = Suggested User List
- Manuel Arroyo
I bet that twitter prefers this to leak on techcrunch where Mike can spin some stories for them than to see the zip file with the docs appearing on a torrent site !
- Eschnou
wikileaks maybe?
- Mark
So twitter kicks arrington off. does he publish the docs? does that help him?
- Tyler Hurst
If Twitter kicks him off get ready for a big time firestorm! (Just mistyped: "firestory"!)
- Tom Guarriello
Tom: Mike is a journalist. He also says that someone else will publish them, so might as well tell everyone that these things are knocking around in public.
- Robert Scoble
Even without the suggested users list, TechCrunch must be weighing the cost of enmity with the most popular startup in the Valley right now. Don't they write like 3 Twitter stories a day? What happens if Twitter stops talking to them and takes all their press communications to Mashable (who are already beginning to kick TechCrunch's butt with their social media savviness?
- Dare Obasanjo
Robert - Arrington is NOT a journalist. Journalists check sources. Process journalism is NOT real journalism. He's a writer.
- Tyler Hurst
How did Arrington not check his sources? He confirmed they are real docs
- Kevin
Yes, read all his rationale. Seems sincere in trying to separate juiciest from items he considers newsworthy. BTW, I do believe he is a journalist.
- Tom Guarriello
Which would they kick? Him with ~8K followers? Not TC with ~1million followers.
- Mike Shea
Kevin - not just this article. did you see his article on how the free google apps was gone when it was just a page layout change?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: I've been in the hotel room watching as Arrington checked his sources on a story. You're wrong on that one.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: almost all of TechCrunch's followers were gifted to him by TechCrunch (same with Mashable, by the way). Before the Suggested Users List came along both had fewer followers than me, Leo Laporte, and a couple of others. Being on the SUL is worth lots of money (I believe it's worth millions, if you stay on it for a few years).
- Robert Scoble
Tom - these are stolen documents. What does his rationale matter at this point?
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: yes, I'm sure Mike is considering all the consequences. Also, if these documents really do exist someone will publish them. When I quit Microsoft I told 15 people and I didn't even know the guy who leaked my story.
- Robert Scoble
For the record, so far, I have not been given the Twitter documents.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so why doesn't Twitter just publish them? Get ahead of any new site?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: journalists have printed stolen stuff that's newsworthy in the past.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: I don't know, but I bet that Twitter does not want these released.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler - So were the Pentagon Papers.
- Tom Guarriello
Tyler: I wonder, if I did have them, and I talked with @ev, would he offer to put me on the SUL in return for not publishing the documents?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - are they newsworthy because they're stolen or newsworthy because they're juicy? What good does this do?
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble - now that's a damn good question about SUL.
- Tyler Hurst
No journalist should have accepted to be on the SUL and at least at this moment ask that they be taken off.
- Stephen Pickering
Dare, to answer your original question, the SUL is a gift worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions. Jason Calacanis has already set the price at $250,000. So, the SUL is, in effect, a bribe that can be used to keep journalists/bloggers/twitterers in line. If you had a gift in your hand worth hundreds of thousands of dollars you would think twice before turning that gift away. I know I would.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd say no to that, @ev knows that those docs are out there now anyway. If you were the only with them (hypothetically speaking), then he might have. But he'd probably equate it to extortion. Would you really want that?
- Mike Shea
I think twitter could just delete the techcrunch account if it wants to make a point. SUL removal wouldn't do much as they already have a lot of followers from it.
- Darren Stuart
Stephen: that is a very difficult ethical position to arrive at, especially if your competitors are also on the SUL (Mashable is on the SUL right now).
- Robert Scoble
Darren: wrong. If you remove yourself from the SUL you immediately start losing followers and start falling behind your competitors.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so you're saying that blackmail is okay as long as it benefits you?
- Tyler Hurst
Darren: in the race for advertising and PR and all that being at the top of the follower list gets you all sorts of goodies. http://www.wefollow.com for instance displays people in order of the number of the followers.
- Robert Scoble
How did the valuation for getting on the SUL end up being done? Is there a dollar value per follower based on link click throughs + ad clickthroughs?
- Dare Obasanjo
No one in the TC office yet, according to CrunchCam. Probably all sleeping. Boy today is going to be a busy day for them.
- Mark
Tyler: no. I'm not saying that. I'm hoping that if I am in any of these positions that I would take the high road. But living on the high road is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Dare: I used to help run a magazine with 100,000 subscribers that made millions in revenue every year.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - That's the answer I'd expect from you. Journalists ALWAYS take the high road.
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: you could use a CPM (advertising fee per 1000 viewers) of $5 and come up with some sort of valuation.
- Robert Scoble
You can't objectively report on a company who is paying you directly and for that matter its impossible to also be a journalist and the owner of the news organization. In the past there's always suppossed to have been a firewall between content and the business side. But that's out the window. Notice all the puff pieces about bing on the NYtimes. Hmmmm, I wonder if that could be all the advertising dollars? Hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Tyler: journalists don't always take the high road. There are several New York Times journalists on the SUL if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - I wouldn't say the NYT is a leader in journalistic ethics anymore, either.
- Tyler Hurst
Wise words from @arrington "News is stuff someone doesn’t want you to write. The rest is advertising."
- Mark
Stephen: exactly. Money does cause news organizations to carefully consider their coverage, even those who say it doesn't and that have a "Chinese firewall" between editorial and advertising.
- Robert Scoble
No one is in this tight economy its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Mark - BS. he publishes rumors too.
- Tyler Hurst
Stephen: if I had the documents I'd have to consider its impact on my employer, Rackspace. That's why I disclose all my conflicts of interest.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - do you believe Arrington's claim that he just received these documents?
- Tyler Hurst
Robert: Trick is to take the employer out of the equation. What would you do if you were on your own?
- Mike Shea
Robert: good points, are techcrunch going to publish the stories is the question now? I think twitter is at a point now where it does not matter if techcrunch start a war with them if they were to just ban all techcrunch and employee accounts.
- Darren Stuart
There's no better publicity than bad publicity. Just remember that. Remember the whole Ashton and CNN thing? That turned out to be backed by twitter and created HUGE publicity for them. Something doesn't smell right. Not saying all bad publicity is good for both parties, but in a situation like this, it's plausible that both Ev/twitter and Mike/TC are just laughing their asses off as the publicity pulls in more page views
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike is not a journalist. He is a self-confessed showboater.
- Mark Littlewood
Mike - so much for the honesty, transparency and authenticity we hoped social media and such would provide. A new ruling class has just replaced the old one.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: yes, I do believe Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
Does twitter go after the hacker?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler, especially with the whole mob thing and FF. Something is up here. Of course, I could be completely off my rocker and it's all just one big coincidence and Mike really is that much of a pompous ass.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
The twit poll on the issue from TC http://twtpoll.com/2a1oiv showed an overwhelming stance from the community that posting the information is unethical. It might be better for TC to let someone else (Mashable) post the information, resulting in removal from a SUL and gaining both ethical rapport with the community and an edge over competition. This is one story that would be rough to break, why is that only TC has the information so far? That is the more alarming concern.
- thestaticfrost
Well so far all he has posted about is the Twitter Reality TV pitch. So I suppose there is a chance Twitter convinces him to not post anything else. In my mind it would look bad if he backs down now given the perception of the SUL.
- Kevin Whalen
Mark: Mashable won't publish these either. They have benefited from the SUL a lot more than Arrington has.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, interesting POV, I would still personally stand down on the issue.
- thestaticfrost
ethics a side I think its a case of - if SUL pageviews > estimated story pageviews then do not publish
- Darren Stuart
Mark: on the SUL? Yeah, but the SUL is interesting and won't stop being interesting just because I stop writing about it. There are rafts of new journalistic text books being written because of it.
- Robert Scoble
The more I think about this...the more it seems plausible that twitter has been doing stuff behind closed doors to generate publicity. Who's heard of twitter going after ANY hacker? Why is it only TC that this email was sent to? If a hacker REALLY had this info, wouldn't they do something a bit less obvious? Like I dunno...sell the stuff? Which brings up another question....how much did TC pay for this info? I guess if TC continues to be on the SUL we'll know the answer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike: what would I do if I were on my own? I'm biased toward publishing, but I need to know the facts first before I really could say one way or the other.
- Robert Scoble
To put it in reverse, maybe if you got the documents you could give them back to Twitter in exchange for getting on the SUL. :)
- Louis Gray
Mike: it's possible that the hacker works for TechCrunch or has a business relationship with TechCrunch. Mike has built a good network of people who offer him news before anyone else. The thing is now Mike has access to internal info at Twitter that will be hard to avoid in interviews with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Mike/Robert: If a less reputable blogger/company had this information, it would already have been posted and this conversation would be moving another direction. The pageviews would trump any SUL.
- thestaticfrost
mark - what a crappy way to make a name for yourself. publishing stolen documents to serve the public good is one thing, publishing as a smear campaign is wrong.
- Tyler Hurst
Mark: I don't believe that's true. Remember, TechCrunch only had about 50,000 followers on Twitter before being added to the SUL. I seriously doubt one story would get them more than 100,000, even if it was the most interesting, sexy story around.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, it would be an awful way to make a name for yourself, I agree but that is not the issue.
- thestaticfrost
Louis: word gets around when you extort companies. It's not a good thing and almost always comes back on you eventually as the people involved move to other companies and spread the news around.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: if I had the documents I wouldn't use them as extortion for that reason. I know one guy who extorted a company and I'll always remember that.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, if TechCrunch was doing it as a smear campaign they would publish a lot more of the documents and have started off with something other that a softball.
- Matthew McCowan
Arrington is getting it both ways here. He writes about it to say they're not going to post the most juicy stuff but he still gets most of the benefits of posting everything. A lot of people are talking about it. He's a master hypeologist.
- Justin Whittaker
Matthew - that was in reference to a small blogger grabbing the documents and throwing them all out there.
- Tyler Hurst
Justin: that is accurate about Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, oh gotcha - sorry
- Matthew McCowan
Freaking Kelso is on the suggested users list, Arrington has 800K subscribers, hooray how many tweets fall silent in the Twitter forest. Much ado about nothing and the SUL.
- Patrick Boegel
Matthew - no, techcrunch is doing it for the page views, of course.
- Tyler Hurst
Robert, interesting tie of numbers into the SUL growth of TC. Perhaps there is an exorbitant value of the SUL, this story would just be pennies in comparison. I see no feasible monetary gain available for TC to violate this ethical issue.
- thestaticfrost
Patrick: even if you aren't on the SUL most of your followers aren't listening. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use.. It's almost enough to make me stop it all altogether.
- John Blanton
John - stuff has to get paid for.
- Tyler Hurst
Says John as he drinks a $4 latte from Starbucks.
- Robert Scoble
"I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use." - Then turn off the TV and radio, don't buy any newspapers or magazines, or look at any ad-supported web sites. It's the way of the world.
- John Craft
Stupid posh coffee. Normal coffee, with milk, please.
- Mark
I guess I'm not seeing how the SUL status of TC is factoring. TC is going ahead and publishing the information they deem to be part of their news mission. Is the insinuation that if SUL status were not a factor, that TC would publish the entirety of the documents without culling non-TC mission-related information?
- Matthew DeVries
that is what I mean Robert, I follow you for interesting information, not because someone suggested it, sure there are people who sign on for Twitter and just follow a host of the suggested users I guess, but I just see zero value in that, there is nothing organic in it, so it does not bother me, I am pretty sure the likes of Tech Crunch and Mashable have each questioned whether being on there has hurt or helped. Followers and fans is pretty "loose" terminology, and a metric that gets dicey after some time.
- Patrick Boegel
I fully agree with the premise that SUL-Status is a COI consideration.
- Matthew DeVries
Patrick: Arrington tells me that being on the SUL has brought them audience and, therefore, money.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a problem with Techcrunch releasing the articles they are, however don't say they are doing in for public interest. They are doing it for Techcrunch interest, nothing wrong with that, but lets be honest.
- Kim Landwehr
Right now the man with all the answers is fast asleep in his bed, dreaming of world domination
- Mark
Kim - yep.
- Tyler Hurst
Matthew: pat of the "Mission" of a business is never to shoot yourself in the foot.
- thestaticfrost
Can we just ignore the people who claim SUL status is not of value? It's like arguing with flat-eatherers at this point. Just accept it as fact and let's discuss how this value is affecting TC's behavior here.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: This is what happened when the lovely Veronica Belmont finally responded to my questions regarding the number of 'bots' following those on the SUL :http://ff.im/57MjU
- Jim Connolly
I'd like to see an estimate of the ROI of being on the SUL. Different for everyone, but it can be modeled. Would bring an interesting new perspective into the discussion.
- Peter Kim
Matthew - the only debate of SUL value would be total worth, not if it has a worth.
- Tyler Hurst
If I could offer you hundreds of thousands of extra hits on your website a year, for FREE, would you accept?
- Mark
Mark: there is no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Nothing is ever free.
- thestaticfrost
But that's a debate for a different thread. We're in the midst of a real time story right now, and we should be discussing how that thing of value is affecting TC's reporting of a story. I would contend it's not, as TC is going ahead and publishing the documents, without regard for loss of SUL-Status.
- Matthew DeVries
hehe
- Mark
What if Twitter is using their influence at TechCrunch, to manage the delivery of this 'story?' Better that, than someone publish the story, with a negative spin.
- Jim Connolly
Matthew: how do you know it's not? Mike has already said he's talking with Twitter and he hasn't published the information. So, he gets best of both worlds. Gets credit for having the info, and now has inside access that no one else has. The SUL might never have even come up (I doubt it has, actually) but now we're wondering what kind of deal they made.
- Robert Scoble
That would be a good point, Jim, but what I've read from Arrington is that they're publishing the documents that relate to their news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
here is a link to a story that deals with Arringtons "wise words" http://ff.im/5g6LJ
- Marco
Matthew: yes, which leads me to think that he made a deal with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
TC has not let the cat out yet, no reason to believe that it will. They made it past the first hour of having the information which is most crucial to it being fully released.
- thestaticfrost
Robert - I agree that is a realistic concern, but I would reserve judgement until the story rolls.
- Matthew DeVries
Good point Jim. That TC story was actually Incredibly measured. Not like arrington at all. Hmmmmm....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Matthew: I'm not judging, just bringing up the potential conflicts of interest to discuss them. I don't see anyone judging here yet.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Arrington's assertion that publishing what kind of panties @ev's wife wears would not be within TC's news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
Correct. You're not judging. Just trying to stem the mob till they have a true target.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: In your experience, would Michael Arrington NORMALLY be this careful about drip feeding a story, so as NOT to offend the person / company featured in the story?
- Jim Connolly
And Robert: your points here SHOULD be in the front of everyone's mind when they do roll the story.
- Matthew DeVries
I may be naive here, but I also think any Twitter-directed communication regarding the release should be disclosed by Arrington when the story rolls, else he's not a reporter, he's a shill.
- Matthew DeVries
Jim: Twitter is the story of the year. So, yes, he's being more careful here than he otherwise would. And, if these documents were stolen, he's also a lawyer and is being careful to make sure he stays on the legal side of the line. I would be very careful with this story too. I have a different conflict of interest, though, which is that I'm an employee of Rackspace and would have to consider the impact of such a story on my company.
- Robert Scoble
Let's be clear if Techcrunch has the information, so does someone else. The information is going to get out. Techcrunch maybe releasing the story slowly to maintain the interest. My guess is they are getting a lot more hits with this story then they would normally
- Kim Landwehr
Matthew: I like to pretend I live in a dream world sometimes too, but I don't. I doubt we'll hear what was actually said back and forth in an off-the-record conversation. If i were Ev the first thing I would have said is "this is an off the record conversation, right?" And then if Arrington repeated it he would lose status too, because sources wouldn't trust him to talk openly.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: if other people have the story they will publish it all at once. So doing a slow rollout would actually be stupid. I bet no one else has the story, yet.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see them on the twitter SUL
- Orli Yakuel
Ok, going too lunch. This will probably outpace me too far to catch up. Not ducking direct questions to me.
- Matthew DeVries
Orli: see who?
- Robert Scoble
Orli: if you are already following TechCrunch and Mashable they won't appear on the SUL, you've gotta check with an account that isn't following them.
- Robert Scoble
oh, silly me. I remember that list before BTW, it's just got HUGE. who's checking there anyway?
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: most new users of Twitter get shown the list and get the option to follow everyone on it.
- Robert Scoble
It looks like some of the same information is being released on a French Web site per bizjournal
- Kim Landwehr
Sorry if this is a repeat, I haven't managed to read every single comment... @techcrunch didn't even publish these docs first; why are they taking all the heat? This was the first place I saw it - http://bit.ly/10FySf
- Kenton
um.
- Orli Yakuel
Kenton: Because Arrington himself said he would publish them. Arrington is a joke and far from a true journalist.
- John Fox
John: I disagree with you about Arrington. But so far nothing is that interesting in what the French site has published. So I'm wondering what the big deal is? Maybe Arrington knows that there's no real news value in what was gained, so he is making lemonade out of lemons? The real story here is that Google's security measures were overcome, so this is a cautionary tale about putting private info into the cloud.
- Robert Scoble
I totally agree about your cloud comment Robert. This should be a lesson to everyone who's jumping on the bandwagon without thinking about the risks.
- Kenton
Here's another post from Business Insider. Now that the docs have been published, everyone can link ethically, even though the info was stolen. Ahh, I love the journalism business sometimes. http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't see where the educational part of the content is that he's going to publish. What will be gained except corporate secrets and Twitter's dirty laundry? If this was a major corporation, he'd an injunction would be in effect right now. Yes, shame on Twitter for putting that kind of information in the cloud without adequate security, but then again, Arrington doesn't need to take advantage of the situation for notariety alone. That's a poor ethical standard.
- John Fox
John: Arrington gets the best of both worlds. He gets credit for thinking through the publishing of this info, while other people do the dirty work. See http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter... Why didn't Arrington just publish? Well, the SUL is one potential reason. Are there others? Did @ev give him an exclusive? Or some other reason not to publish? We'll never know.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington is definitely doing some back dealing which quite frankly makes him lose credibility.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I think by the time Arrington wakes up (lazy bastard) he will have been Scooped by other websites
- Mark
Mark: already has been: http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't doubt that Arrington walked a fine line, thinking through the publishing of the info. I don't fault him for that. As a tech writer myself, I know there are certain things that will get you sued in a heartbeat. However, I don't see what Arrington has to gain from this other than notariety and to get TC's name out there even more. This is a tainted story from the start....
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- John Fox
Ok question, are we mad at Techcrunch ie Arrington, because he published only part of the information or that he publish the information at all or that he said he would publish it and didn't?
- Kim Landwehr
I'm not saying it's okay to publish ill-gotten confidential material but people would be less tempted to do so if Twitter were more transparent and less secretive. For a social network, they have a real 1.0 social media philosophy. Even Facebook reveals information about their userbase and growth. But Twitter is like a black box as the #fixreplies disaster revealed. And since that hashtag dropped off the Trending Topics, we've never heard any more about their proposed solution.
- Liz
The lack of democracy on the SUL is one of the most disturbing aspects of Twitter. It pushes Twitter towards an echo chamber since new people just follow the same old people. There needs to be some serious rotation.
- Trent Hamm
Didn't Kevin Rose design an enhanced SUL for Twitter? Where people who identify themself with a tag tell you who they follow with that tag?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: yes, Rose runs http://www.wefollow.com -- the problem is that most people on the home page and at the top of most lists are on Twitter's SUL.
- Robert Scoble
Just logged into twitter and a big red box tells me my account is suspensed for strange activity. Hmm
- Mark
But I can still post. Hmm
- Mark
I am reading that thousands of twitter accounts have been wrongly suspended due to "human error". Has anyone heard anything?
- Mark
he sees to have delisons of Grandure Murdoch gets away with hacking becasue of his power and the willingness of cronys to take the fall and the plod to turn a blind eye - he still needs to mak the public interest defence which he has not
- Maurice Walshe
Twitter's response: http://blog.twitter.com
- Liz
Judging by Liz's link, looks like Twitter chose to play cards in public and Twitter just won. Talking about "The underware drawer" analogy flat out says the documents are gossip and not a story. This makes TechCrunch look like a gossip rag. Twitter also focused on their users and their security- the Ace of Spades. Bravo.
- E-Advocate Network
Calling TechCrunch a journalistic entity is an extreme stretch of the imagination, as the vast majority of their blogs are opinion totally devoid of fact. TechCrunch has found that "ethical line" Arrington mentioned, and tripped right over it, falling face first into the sewer. Indeed, TechCrunch's true colors have now revealed just how much of a gossip rag they are, totally lacking in...
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- jcunwired
I was wrongly suspended along with 9 others months ago. It was a terrible experience.
- DaveDelaney.ME
my question for mr. scoble is, if the same documents landed in your inbox would you have done the same thing?
- Tobias Lewsadder
poop
- Jacob
Just curious about something. Earlier I tried following Techcrunch on Twitter and found I was blocked, supposedly "at the request of the user." Since I don't remember saying a bad word about Techcrunch or Michael (as Robert can attest from discussions in the past couple of months, I've usually defended Arrington on a few things), I'm wondering if the block was TechCrunch's doing or Twitter's.
- George Hall (Australia)
Europe no longer matters to lead position in mobile (via @scobleizer) - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Yup ! It is unfortunate, but I cannot agree more. They simply don't get it...
- Eschnou
Deezer disponible sur Android en version bêta ! - http://www.pointgphone.com/deezer-...
L'idée est évidement sympa: toute la musique du monde en streaming sur votre portable. Par contre, pour moi celà ne marche pas encore: "on demand is not available in your country". De plus, l'interface est assez perturbante... pourquoi ne pas avoir gardé l'UI Android native ? C'est une autre technologie ? Flash ? PhoneGap ?
- Eschnou
Don't trust your brain: Amazing illusion (via @alardw) - http://blog.ted.com/2009...
What is reality ? Should we trust our brain, our perceptions, our emotions ? Or should we be aiming at obtaining objective and measurable evidence of what is reality ? An old philosophical discussion, nicely illustrated by this illusion.
- Eschnou
Porting native linux app on Android will now be much easier: Introducing Android 1.5 NDK, Release 1 - http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009...
yet another toy to play with.... is it christmas already ?
- Eschnou
Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
I will surely turn my profile open to everyone. After all, I don't trust the Internet for things that I really consider "private". If it is on the web, it is public. Privacy stays on my hard-drive.
- Eschnou
Amplifeeder: An open source lifestreaming platform - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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I have been using this for a while now, I love the skins and it is all in my domain - beautiful.
- Paul Kinlan
how easy to install Paul?
- Zee.
very easy, I just followed the install instructions and it is installed on my IIS host.
- Paul Kinlan
I belive it will be part of the Web Platform installer soon as well so it will be a one click install to get it all working.
- Paul Kinlan
That and you can pull in your FriendFeed configurtaion so once you have it installed you can pull your config in in about 2 seconds.
- Paul Kinlan
can you share the link to yours Paul?
- Zee.
my dads is http://frank.kinlan.me and mine is http://paul.kinlan.me my dad is more active with his blogs and flickr
- Paul Kinlan
cool, cheers Paul
- Zee.
@BeauGiles, to quote jon "it's 90% javascript and there are plans to port the last 10% to rails, gae, php to cover 90% of platforms"
- Paul Kinlan
Storytlr (http://storytlr.com) seems to be better. Check mine here http://ls.ninhnv.com
- Ninh Nguyen
@Ninh I think jon said it best: "i like storytlr too but they own your data. amplifeeder is self hosted and you can do what you like with your data. plus the storytlr themes are pretty poor compared with amplifeeders. just sayin…"
- Paul Kinlan
@paul wrt storytlr, we don't own your data, it is yours, you can even download a backup of the whole thing in CSV format and soon we'll support DiSo. If you think about it, your web host owns as much as we do. Unless your server is in your basement of course. Yet, we are happy to see cool new activity in the lifestream space. Good luck Amplifeeder, nice job ! (I'm the dev of storytlr).
- Eschnou
looks promising; I'd been looking at SweetCron, so this is good to see - I will definitely try it on one of my domains when there's a LAMP version...
- Anthony Citrano
Looking at SweetCron too - here are some good examples - http://www.carbongraffiti.com/noteboo... Sticking with FF widget for now
- Mike Bracco
@Eschnou I find it great when devs come out and talk :D I have a storytlr page, will revisit it thanks to your intervention
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Just to let everyone know. there are some beta invites available to the hosted version we are testing now.
- Paul Kinlan
Benefit-Driven Metrics: Measure the lives you save, not the life preservers you sell - http://andrewchenblog.com/2009...
I love this concept ! Yet another great article by Andrew. "Most people are using standard analytics packages that are commoditized to focus inwards on metrics like pageviews and revenue. To use an analogy, that’s akin to the idea of measuring the # of life preservers that you sell, and trying to optimize for that, rather than optimizing for the benefit, which is the # of lives saved."
- Eschnou
Video: A rosie future for Android - http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009...
People tend to forget that Android is more than a device.. it is a platform on top of which others can innovate. This video is a nice example of that.
- Eschnou
Screenshot-> Screencast-> Animated Work of Art-> ? - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
web 2.0 revenues are shrinking like ice under the sun, but marketing budgets of the startups needs to increase to be successful in this 'me-too' world... hmm.. seems like a dead-end no ?
- Eschnou
Solving the problems of early stage me-too product startups - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
I always like these get back to earth, 'reality check', kind of posts. A must read for web entrepreneurs wannabees.
- Eschnou
The hype and hope of the past and a big fat gay collab - http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg...
I love the Internet :-)
- Eschnou
Susan Boyle Video Profits: $0 - http://mashable.com/2009...
The conclusion says it all: "Ultimately, a couple million dollars isn’t going to make or break either YouTube or ITV. But this story does illustrate that old and new media still have a long way to go in finding ways to work together and not snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
- Eschnou
Only Small Opportunities for Short URL Services - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
I always like these kind of down to earth analysis, a good reminder that a usefull service is not always equal to a revenue opportunity !
- Eschnou
Introducing 'Sign-in with Twitter', OAuth-Style "Connect" - http://www.hueniverse.com/huenive...
Interesting discussion on OpenID and OAuth differences.
- Eschnou
Ashton Kutcher Promises To Punk Ted Turner If He Beats CNN To A Million Twitter Followers - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
I learned something new today ! "What is a ding dong ditch you may ask? Well, it’s when you go up to a person’s house, ring their doorbell, them run away and watch as they look around to see who’s there." (via @alardw)
- Eschnou
What are the tech bloggers missing? Your business! - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Now I know where to eat ! Thanks Robert :-) "Heck, just yards from Facebook’s main building on University Ave is a great restaurant, Junoon." Besides that, the post is absolutely spot on. There is a real opportunity for value creation in this gap between early adopters and the 'real' business.
- Eschnou
experimenting with storytlr, a different lifestream service, looks rather nice; http://neilfws.storytlr.com/home...
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The "story" thing seems like a quite powerful concept for a research record. A quick point and click way of aggregating a set of events into an aggregated description of a process.
- Cameron Neylon
It's much more "home page" service in some ways than lifestreaming, at least that seems to be the default setup. I am rather tempted to get me a domain name and then use that as the front end for a personal page though.
- Cameron Neylon
my first impressions are that it's very flexible; could function as a blog, lifestream, personal portal and more
- Neil Saunders
I like the ability to be able to play with CSS and built in re-direct for domain names, but I'm not sure how confident you can be if you build something on top of it if the background code isn't available. Usual question - what's the business model? Looks like they might be targeting people who will pay for the hosting/software?
- Cameron Neylon
also it's not really social in that you only see your own stuff, so far as I can see
- Neil Saunders
I think that makes sense, in as much as its really about creating a "home page" rather than a social aggregation tool. Obviously it's all the same content pumped through different style sheets but given what they are presenting (particularly on your own domain) its not clear how it could be social without breaking the sense of what it is (sorry not sure that makes any sense - summary, not sure you want a social network happening out of your control on your home page)
- Cameron Neylon
Looks good. I've see a few sites like this lately. Does anyone know of an open source script that you can host on your own server that does this sort of thing? Ideally it would archive content in a database rather than just presenting the feeds so that I would have a backup of all my stuff. I've seen sweetcron, but it is a bit raw at the moment and noserub is overkill for just presenting your own stuff.
- Matt Leifer
Hi guys, I'm the developer of storytlr, jumping in this great conversation. Thanks for the feedback ! I wanted to point out three things: 1) no business model today, we are just two guys building this next to our day job. Maybe freemium ? Would you pay for 'premium' features like own domain etc... ? 2) The social element is on our roadmap, however we don't want to duplicate friendfeed or facebook. 3) All your content is available for download as CSV files, so we serve also as a social backup tool. Thanks !
- Eschnou
Good, but not exactly what I meant. I really want it backed up on my own server.
- Matt Leifer
@Eschnou I wonder whether a viable business model is actually to sell the server hosting. Actually provide the whole thing as a wrapped up home page with domain name, server, and presentation layer? That way you have an income stream that is independent of the software, could possibly open source the system to enable others to develop new widgets/plugins/themes etc a la wordpress. My inclination would be not to "build in" social but just make it easy to set up and expose a FOAF page and then leverage that.
- Cameron Neylon
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