Hi Guys, I apologize I haven't been able to work on AndFeed as much as I wanted to. However, I have been incorporating v2 of the API, and refining some things. I am working on making realtime work seamlessly with a standard entry list, and I have moved options to a long click menu..so progress is being made, albeit slower than I would like. Work and personal life has been busy lately.
- Tim Hoeck
http://timhoeck.com/files... - Consider this a "Pre" beta.. I am working on a number of things, and I'll list them so we know what not to report.. really though at this point, I want to know one thing. Is this the layout you want for a FriendFeed app, or do you want something else?
- Tim Hoeck
At this point I have "most" of the features in. I still have a lot to work on for realtime updating, but I want to know if this is the 'view' or 'look' that you want out of a FF app. Particularly down the road with real-time... it will be too frustrating reading an entry, only for it to get bumped off your screen. We could implement a pause button like the FF page, but I think that defeats the purpose.
- Tim Hoeck
My particular concerns with a list style, scrolling view of FF is balancing what to show on the screen, and what options to give, vs. usability. I don't want comments on a list of entries, because it makes a list way too long. I don't particularly want buttons on each entry, but long clicking is too frustrating... so give me your thoughts, suggestions, concerns... and I'll work with them.
- Tim Hoeck
So on to known things with this beta: I would recommend for now to only use wifi (however, I use it fairly ok on edge).. I'll be working more on streamlining downloads to a minimum. If you find something broken, I probably know about it :) Uploading pictures doesn't work, landscape is a little goofy, there are no real "updates", so if you comment,like, etc.. you won't see the change...
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- Tim Hoeck
Hey Tim, great start. As it turns out, I'd been writing a FriendFeed-on-Android app too (just for grins and giggles), and I'd approached it from a very minimalistic UI standpoint --- my penchant for doing everything in emacs or a unix-shell dominates :). Given that bias, I found the current incarnation of AndFeed *very* busy. Each list item had so much going on, that I had to actually...
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- Aaron D'Souza
Tim, do you want comments here, email, or do you have a ticket tool set up?
- Eric Sinclair
here is fine for now, Eric. I really want to hear how people want this to work.. I know most of the bugs and such (which are being worked out now)
- Tim Hoeck
Great app, much nicer than reading it in the browser. But I read ff mostly for the comments, so for me it would be much better if the comments just appeared by default.
- j1m
as soon as I work out a few more issues, I'll be looking for beta testers
- Tim Hoeck
Tim, do you know if you've any competition working on something similar?
- Christopher A Carr
the only other FF app I have seen is Mother Feed.. most are too happy with it, and I haven't seen them update it recently.
- Tim Hoeck
Yeah, it sucks. OK, quit screwing around on FF and get back to work. ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
add functionality like the url shortener app, like share from browser to friendfeed with tinyurl/cli.gs/bit.ly etc, so when we are browsing online we can easily share things :)
- Kyle Weller
I'm definitely down for beta testing when you finally get to that stage.
- Jon, the Beartato of '10
Ryo - is that really the thread you want us to say "Stop saying I'm on an iphone" in?
- Matthew DeVries
Yes, Matthew.. he is talking about Android people using the ffmobile site.
- Tim Hoeck
Something is weird, I keep being sent to a thread about an automated "unsubscribe to those not subscribed to me" thread. Damn internet
- Matthew DeVries
Hey Tim, I spent some time messing around with Andfeed. It looks great by the way. It force closed on me about 15 minutes in or so, won't open since. Wondering if anyone else experienced this issue?
- Miguel Wickert- Pineiro
Miguel.. I have some fixes coming soon that will probably fix that. In the meantime, you could try clearing the cache folder on your sdcard and restarting... it is located in /sdcard/cache/andfeed/*
- Tim Hoeck
^ What p248 said. WANT. Is it listed in the Android Market Tim?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Hit up the room: http://friendfeed.com/andfeed - it is buggy atm, and I will probably change the way things work, but feel free to give your feedback!
- Tim Hoeck
'"I know the guy who started it, and I'm going to talk to him about shutting it down the next time I see him," Sohn said. When I spoke to Westlund today, he knew the conversation was coming. "It went from us having 30 dogs to it ramping up to where we might be too much of a burden on Doug," he said. "We've been refining the process, and it may refined into powder," and acknowledged that it probably would have been a good idea to run the idea past Sohn before building the business beyond a few friends. Westlund hoped to meet with Sohn today to discuss how the Drop might team up with the restaurant to keep it going.'
- Joe Germuska
"Are we trying to say the the New York Times should force all its print subscribers onto the Kindle or else? No. That would kill ad revenues and also, not everyone loves the Kindle. ¶ What we're trying to say is that as a technology for delivering the news, newsprint isn't just expensive and inefficient; it's laughably so."
- Joe Germuska
Now, let's see if this only shows up on FriendFeed. I was thinking I might post things to FF that are > 140 characters yet not long enough to put into a blog post proper. Hmm. Do I need more content here? Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus lobortis magna quis est sodales lobortis.
that's what happens to me damn near every day. also :(
- Eric Eldon
Blogger rule #4 in my personal list of rules: create a daily lunch event with reminder in Google Calendar. At 120 pounds, I can't afford to miss that appointment.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Yeah, I agree the book only works at the conceptual level, amazing how catchy titles get eyeballs. I told Tim this, he signed my book "Here's to being a skeptic". ;)
- Jeremiah Owyang
And like 'The Secret' it became a self-fulfilling prophecy for the creator...
- Craig Thomler
I enjoyed reading it. I'm not rich yet, but it has certainly helped to put a lot of things like work into perspective.
- David Owens
I almost put the book down immediately after he told how he "won" the kickboxing title. Reminded me of the Seinfeld where kramer takes karate beating up eight year old.
- Michael Gartenberg
there were parts of the book that were original and good but what was good wasn't original (like this quote) and what was original wasn't good.
- Michael Gartenberg
Greeks had a slave society because they felt work was beneath the dignity of the free man.
- Michael Gartenberg
While I'm one of those that feels you aren't totally defined by your work, I know I'd be bored, stupid and lonely if I wasn't working. Actually that last bit sounds funny since I work alone out of my home. There's a testament to social networks: I have more 'friends' now than I did in 15 years of I.T. for large corporations. Hmmm....
- Kevin C. Tofel
Kevin, there's huge difference in being alone and being lonely. That's why folks like you and I can work out of an office by ourselves physically and still be surrounded and interact with many friends and colleagues
- Michael Gartenberg
After nearly ten years in workstation support, I'm bored, stupid and lonely BECAUSE of my work. Every now and then a cool gem drops into my hands. I know I have to make a change, but I've been thwarted so far.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Michael: agreed. We're living proof. [Although we're going to have meet in person one day, so you can prove to me that you really exist. ;) ] @MiniMage: Evaluate, Plan, Execute. Then rinse and repeat as conditions require... I know you can do it! :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
I like to play with and dissect new mobile technology. I like to be presented with an interesting technology problem and win the battle. When I show a frightened user something that makes him or her smile and realize the relationship between him and his computer CAN work, I like that. I like learning.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
well mini, now the next question is what would you like to do with that knowledge? help users? write about mobile tech for others? review technology?
- Michael Gartenberg
If I could find a nice balance of all three (helping others, writing about tech, reviewing tech), that would be grand. I have written on tech, and I've loved it, but I've not been able to make the effort lately; that's the dream, and I've felt so stuck in the reality.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Michael I thought several concepts in the book like reintroducing the Pareto Principle, batching and Parkinson's Law were quite valuable. Others, like the part on personal outsourcing and setting up online businesses, were less relevant to a guy like me.
- Steve Rubel
Steve, it wasn't all bad. see my post but neither Pareto or Parkinson's Law are new. None of what he said hasn't been said before and been said better. Again, what was good wasn't original and what was original wasn't very good
- Michael Gartenberg
Are you guys now going to spend 4 hours talking about this?
- shelisrael1
Glad t see I'm not alone with that opinion. He's got some interesting thoughts rehashed. But a lot of what he's done with his life is not the path I'd chose myself, to say it in a friendly way.
- Robert Blum
I'm just going to glare in Shel's general direction for four hours...well, after I finish this software review, anyway...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Interesting guidelines. On a related note, I'm not sure if it's acknowledged or not, but most modern webapps use a lot of queuing. Dopplr does it heavily, for instance, and I do it increasingly in Expectnation. Obvious to somebody like you, but I wonder if it's accepted best practice yet?
- Edd Dumbill
from twhirl
I thought something like this was becoming increasingly obvious, but it's even occasionally controversial in my experience. Queues are hard (they can be); or the processing can be made fast enough with a bit more work (it won't be); or simultaneity and consistency are paramount (not usually true).
- l.m.orchard
This is cool... it's obvious to me when it becomes a problem. I've never worked on twitter-sized issues, but the idea of queuing writes makes sense and can be done elegantly. Flickr does a nice job, I think wrt tag renames
- Dave Dash
from Alert Thingy
My friends who work in banking IT are always amused as web2.0/LAMP gradually rediscover the various tools they've been using for enterprise integration. I eagerly await the point when people re-discover topics and tuple spaces.
- Adewale Oshineye
Also, green-screen 3270 terminals. Those are going to hit the web in a big way any day now.
- ⓞnor
I think it shows how *non* mainstream queuing is that Google's AppEngine has no ability to run background processes. It's all request/response with a maximum of 9 seconds. If this sort of thinking was even somewhat the norm, there would have been screams from people missing such a vital feature. :-)
- Russell Beattie
That's an ActiveX plugin? A pure JS 3270 emulator would be just too awesome.
- ⓞnor