"近來,台灣政治人物總愛談歐巴馬,他們總以為弄個微網誌的帳號、Facebook的粉絲團、寫個早安噗、跳跳香蕉舞,就可以像歐巴馬一樣贏得選民的認同。錯了,大大的錯了。歐巴馬的網路動員之所以成功,不是因為他讓選民認識他的私生活,而是因為選民在這自我組織的學習過程中看到改變政治的可能性。我們要的不是政治人物的搏感情,我們要的是政策與資料的透明。網路使用者絕對不是新聞媒體口中的網友鄉民,網路使用者是對正確資訊有渴望、對議題討論有習慣、對組織學習有經驗的公民" - 這段話應該加粗放大
- Roger Chen
from Bookmarklet
This guy most be highly trained - I've never seen someone react that quickly!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I don't think it was faked. Yes, I can imagine someone reacting that fast. BTW comments on the YouTube video are very sad (and what does race have to do with it anyway?).
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
I think the kid who was scared has some anger management issues - you're first response to someone startling you shouldn't be to knock the shit out of them. That's not healthy.
- Bill Rawlinson
the hell it shouldn't bill. i'd guess he probably lives in a household or neighborhood where abuse or violence is common. my mom has similar issues. she slugged the mailman once because he came up behind her and she wasn't expecting him to be there.
- tiffany
reminds me of that song... "Mother requested that I render you unconscious," or something like that.
- Karim
Love how the guy is always at the ready to just pummel. What a way to live.
- Josh Haley
That's what life is like when you're Marlo Stanfield. He probably thought it was Omar.
- Christopher Harley
ADMINISTRIVIA: if you look at it on the permalinked page <http://ff.im/2VHDF>, rather than any aggregate one, initially it comes up quite choppy (could be my connection though). I don't know how you did it, assume a server hack refreshing individual frames in 0.2 sec increments, but you should look at what looks like a better, no-chop implementation of animated gifs, Philipp Lenssen's friendfeeding app: <http://friendfeed.com/philipp...>
- ianf ⌘
No, can't read full text for blog-length items.
- Bruce Lewis
Yes. I'd have to say it is a feed aggregator...it pulls in feeds from Google Reader, Twitter, Disqus, Flickr, Delicious, Digg, etc.
- Kenneth
But why can't we just import our OPML or sinle RSS feeds somewhere into FriendFeed without having to dump those feeds one by one in groups, that doesn't make sense
- Charbax
no. can't simply mark items as read, subscription is not a simple one click operation
- James Beake
It is pretty remarkable that after all this time FF still can't import/export subscription lists.
- Dave Winer
FriendFeed should somehow automatically group feed items so I don't get bombarded by 100 people all retweeting, liking and commenting the same things.. It should basically create a techmeme of feed items on-the-fly
- Charbax
it is a feed reader and a lot more. its ability to function as a feed reader is probly one of its weakest functions. (so far) one of its strongest functions is to start discussions which are so damn easy and efficient that i can see ppl giving up on blogging and sticking to friendfeed.
- Freddie Benjamin
yes. it has a summary of the posts it aggregates. err yeah
- Alfredo
I prefer Google Reader, because it's easier to privately star stuff in GReader than it is to reshare stuff to a private FriendFeed room. Plus you can mark items as read. I actually view http://friendfeed.com/lastfmf... via Google Reader rather than FriendFeed.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Can I read feeds in FriendFeed - yes. Does that mean it is a feed reader - no. The question is to fraught with subjectivity in the end. But if you forced me to say what it is - it's a data aggregator and transformation platform.
- AJ Kohn
Sure, like a search engine is a feed reader.
- Daniel Dulitz
Since you can only read headlines and not full posts, I wouldn't call FF an RSS reader just yet.
- Chris Rossini
from BuddyFeed
I would call Friend Feed and twitter "feed discovery engines" and "content discussion facilitators" rather than feed readers. I still use Google Reader -- too much in depth content and other things that I can't really get from FF.
- Travis B. Hartwell
Just as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are turtles.
- Parth Awasthi
Yes, it is. But that's just the beginning.
- Mark Evans
No, I would say FF is a feed streamer, not reader. (and a mediocre aggregator)
- William Mougayar
So if it's an aggregator of feeds, how is it a feed reader? Just to be clear, my answer to Dave's question is: No, ff is not a feed reader.
- Chris Heath
Better than twitter but it's not a full replacement, either
- Michael Fidler
Yes. Once FriendFeed decides to turn on something like what Twitter just destroyed (replies) it would be even better
- Antonio Altamirano
A feedreader, no! There is no way anyone can read multiple blogs and communicate at the same time in the real-time realm
- Joe Dawson
Similar aspects I suppose but RSS is just available, whereas FriendFeed is something like SRSS - Syndicated RSS. Or maybe CRSS - consolidated RSS.
- Rick Cogley
I used to subscribe to my friends RSS feeds using Google Reader, but quit when FF came about because they were so hard to keep up with and not everything had an RSS feed. I guess that makes it a feed reader, so yes.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Yep, but not as good as Google Reader... yet. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
No. FriendFeed is for Friends. Feeds are not friends. Though, I would love to use FriendFeed for feeds also - if only it was easy to separate people I follow and blogs (non-personalized) I read.
- Ihar Mahaniok
No it's not... you cannot read full posts there.
- Bhavesh
No. Friendfeed was not intentended to be feed reader. Although I use this room as my second feed reader http://friendfeed.com/mix-room
- arjo
No. You have to leave the site to read. It would be nice if Google Reader live updated like FF or the option to view the full post in FF existed.
- Peter Warnock
No, it lacks some of the key features needed in a feed reader but has other features that make it a different thing altogether
- M F
No, you have to leave FriendFeed to see the article.
- Mike Roberts
No, it's a social network. I talk to people on FriendFeed, I don't read blogs.
- Larry Hudson
FF is not your father's feed reader. It is a new gen user sweatshop producing metadata for its own search engine and maybe track equivalent.
- Mindaugas Dagys
It certainly depends on how you use readers. FriendFeed isn't going to do everything I use Google Reader for. That being said, FriendFeed would probably work better for many of feeds I actually subscribe to.
- Camden
a more customizable feed reader - feed reader to a lifestream
- Elizabeth Koh
Yes, *but* (and this is a big one), it does not provide enough facility to serve as a non-realtime reader. I cannot pick up where I left off on a feed or know what I read or didn't read. It lacks the controls to be effective in that space which, I think, is a critical feature of a feed reader.
- Kevin Kuphal
Read feeds on Friendfeed Don't make Friendfeed a feed reader.
- CantorJF
no, I can't track what I've read and what I haven't.
- You.
I think its more of a meta-feed reader in a microscale. It picks up on the feeds of others, who in turn are reading the news rss feeds, thus meta. It's also on a microscale because, as mentioned before it's not real time, it's only the headlines with no descriptions and it still connects to the echo chamber as opposed to outside world.
- Shane Tilton
Well, compare this http://ff.im/2RXFH to this http://is.gd/zO1f . The question should be, how good is FreindFeed as a Feed Reader? It's bringing more value to the use of RSS feeds; more than just presenting them, regardless of each item being full post or just headline.
- zeroinfluencer
Dave, Could FriendFeed be a good email client?
- zeroinfluencer
FF is my magazine for browsing. I'm not catching up on FF posts like I do in Google Reader. I check the front page of FF, drop some comments, and then move on while it stays open in another tab.
- Joel Zehring
No, but that doesn't make it inferior. It's a wholly different animal.
- Daniel Miessler
Not necessarily. If all my RSS subscriptions were in Friendfeed, it would move way too fast. RSS is something I can still take at my own pace. Which is why I don't think it's dead, like some people would say.
- Robert de Castro
from twhirl
No way. Nothing beats a good google reader/postrank/feedly combo. Oh, unless google's servers are not responding like today, in which case friendfeed might be a nice backup.
- Mike Elliott
I'd say no, because it's the conversations that seem to have more draw / weight than the content (like a slashdot). It's a fuzzy line though, I could easily see the argument for.
- mikepk
I'm torn on how to answer this. I've been back and forth with Google Reader and FF. If there was a simple way to import all my GR feeds into FF and de-dup it would help some. Sometimes all I want to do is quickly scan what's new and GR is fast, in fact rather amazingly so on the iPhone. But just reading feeds can be like empty calories. Having real discussions on selected topic has...
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- Tom Parish
Technically, yes. But it doesn't serve the same function as a dedicated feed reader.
- John Federico
I don't really get the "FriendFeed is a feed reader" logic. Is TechMeme a feed reader? I mean, I can't actually *READ* feeds in FriendFeed, I just get links to articles.
- Ken Sheppardson
what friendfeed does best is create an environment for people to connect and have conversations. It is more a networking tool than a reading tool. Sometimes you want to go to a bar an network and sometimes you want to go to a library and read.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ken, yeah you can only read the headlines (or maybe the first sentence or two if the feed is set up to do a first comment type thing here) but past that... you're not reading the story/article/blogpost in friendfeed - you might discuss it within friendfeed (which is awesome, btw) but once again - NO - friendfeed is not a feed reader
- Chris Heath
No. It is a social feed aggregator with filters. It's limited in that you can read feeds of existing FriendFeed users, groups, or external feeds by creating "Imaginary Friends". However, Imaginary Friends is a rather cumbersome way to add external feeds. No facility exists for easily adding a list of feeds such as by importing an OPML file.
- Derek Mahar
No - I can't read the articles right on FriendFeed. It also doesn't require RSS to publish.
- Jesse Stay
No - to read the blogs and articles I still need Google Reader.
- Antoine Bertier
No, because -- in addition to what William Mougayar said -- there's no tagging of articles (just liking).
- Kawika Holbrook
No. Feeds are the internet data, tv, radio, cd/dvd/comic book collections and plumbing in the house. But people living in the house is the lead story.
- Micah Wittman
I can't answer yes or no : it is a social feed agregator
- Stanislas Jourdan
a feed reader, yes, and much more. I use it more and more
- Nadine Pestourie
No, because beyond choosing who I follow, I have no choice in what the rest of you put in it. I propose that FriendFeed is a "social media service."
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
No, I still use Google Reader to stay up-to date...to much noise on FriendFeed even with filters.
- Rajiv Doshi
It's interesting to see everyone who says it's not a feed reader. It most definitely is. You can subscribe to RSS feeds here. So it is defacto a feed reader. Now, is it a good one? Not if you want more than headlines. If you want full text Google Reader or other readers are much better.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert you got a point here. Does this mean it "might" be our future feed reader with a bit of improvement?
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
I think Google Reader is moving more toward a FriendFeed model with all of the Share and Comment features they have been adding, but they are fundamentally different because there is no post feature with any RSS reader.
- Brandon Hall
As i said elsewhere, Google Reader is my favorite feed reader because i can mark things as read/unread, so i don't miss anything. FF will never get this feature because the goal in FF is to go back to items you liked or commented. On Greader, once you've read it, you don't go back. As a consequence, Greader will remain my favorite feed reader.
- Stanislas Jourdan
giuseppe: I haven't used Google Reader much since I've gotten addicted to friendfeed. I always seem to get the most important news here first and when I go to Google Reader it is all old to me. I used to be Google Reader's top user, so this change in my behavior is interesting to me.
- Robert Scoble
With Google Reader shortcuts, i can skip very quickly between many items so I can scan much more information efficiently. However, on Greader you've to make a high selection of good feeds you really want to read fequently. Otherwise, it becomes evil!
- Stanislas Jourdan
For me, yes. At least in part. I recently created a News group and added a few news feeds to it (techmeme etc). I then switched on desktop notifications for this group so I effectively now have a real time feed reader / news ticker.
- Jamie
Jamie, I don't think it is worth. With this system you don't enjoy the FF community (i guess nobody "like" your entries or comment them so that you don't see what's important). Moreover you don't have benefit from Greader shortcuts and read/unread status.
- Stanislas Jourdan
No, friendfeed is not just a feedreader, feedly do a better job for feeds reading.
- David Foucher
BTW in my opinion, the interest of FF is that people select the items they share so that you get the best in your feeds
- Stanislas Jourdan
Pretty much yes.though thats not its primart function.
- Abhishek
Yes, but only one facet of many. It's a poor feed reader if you plan on reading everything. It's a good one if you plan on only reading what is deemed popular by those you follow.
- xero
Stanislas - I think you misinterpreted me. I don't add the news feeds to my profile - I subscribe to them as they are already on FF. So for high volume RSS feeds like TechMeme, TechCrunch and so on I just view them as real time notifications. I don't need them piling up as unread items in Google Reader, which I use solely for low volume, high quality feeds where I need to see every item (daring fireball, carnage4life, codinghorror etc)
- Jamie
Jamie : Ok I understand. In fact you made a friendlist for News feed more than a News "room" (?)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Clearly there's a whole lot of variation in what people actually expect from a "feed reader". Seems like some people think it means "anything that uses RSS/Atom to generate a list of web pages"
- Ken Sheppardson
Yes, a Feed reader of «Friends'» Feeds -- make it «Fellows'» or «Follows'» -- with steroids (conversations).
- Jorge Martins Rosa
Ff technically reads feeds but that is not where their value - aggregation -is. It is a discovery platform powered by RSS and API-based clients can potentially fill the perceived expectation gap with current feed readers.
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
Yes, but with added value, in that we can discuss aggregated content on the fly, including photos, video, music, etc., not just blogs and text posts.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
........what if it was?? Leave Friendfeed a-l-o-n-e !!! please !! .. leave it alone , Dave ! .. please : ==== http://gog.is/chris+crocker
- Petr Buben
Ihar - the notifications section of your settings lets you choose which friend lists go to IM, email, and the desktop client... in lieu of frienfeed allowing us to unsub from each thread you can use the friend lists to section off the stuff you do and don't want going to your IM client
- Chris Heath
FriendFeed functions like a feed reader in that it gets (most of) its content from other sources. I don't believe it stores copies of the results (would it even be authorized to do so??) so I don't see how it could ever provide search capability. Big difference from TW which has its own content DB
- David Sanger
Yes. you import feeds, I've done this many times with 'imaginery friends'
- Jeremiah Owyang
FriendFeed is definitely a feed reader, since most of the content you'll find is brought in from RSS sources, such as YouTube or a personal blog.
- Thomas Ward
I love questions and answers like this -- They prove my thesis that "nobody gets anything," which, of course, is an ironic way of saying, "everyone gets anything in their own way." Of course, FriendFeed is a news reader. And of course it's not. (Me, personally. I like my "readers" to have an export feature, i.e., OPML)
- Rex Hammock
I like my readers to have an OPML *import* feature, too!
- Derek Mahar
or even an rss import for anything other than my own feeds
- Chris Nixon
from IM
Chris, you can import one or more RSS feeds by creating an "Imaginary Friend" and adding those feeds. It's better than nothing, but not nearly as convenient as OPML import.
- Derek Mahar
Its a bit convoluted. I'll stick with a feed reader for reading feeds. FriendFeed is about my friends feeds.
- Chris Nixon
from IM
It's the big-ass river of RSS. I like it.
- Pete Gilbert
Chris, I agree! Friendfeed is more of social feed aggregator than a reader. Google Reader is a good reader, but unlike Friendfeed, it doesn't (yet) allow you to share a set of feeds by default. You must explicitly share each item. It also doesn't appear to make comments public.
- Derek Mahar
Actually, I think I was incorrect when I stated that Google Reader comments are not public. I do see comments that others have posted to friends' shared items, so I guess comments must be public.
- Derek Mahar
Yes, FriendFeed qualifies as a feed reader.
- Mike Reynolds
If it is a feed reader, it sucks. There's no way to view the content of the RSS feed items. I have to click each and every story to read it. Headlines only? No thanks. I'd say no, because compared to Google Reader, Bloglines, NetNewsWire, FeedDemon, it fails as a feed reader.
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Bwana (it also has no import/export subscription function). I have lobbied for an iGoogle like popup in the past so I will put in my .02 here as well. I would like it to be a good feed reader but it just doesn't cut it now.
- Brian Sullivan
Yes. FriendFeed is a form of a feed reader ;)
- Nicholas James
I re-iterate my earlier No vote. A good feed reader like Google Reader or Bloglines remembers the items that you've read, but this memory is absent from Friendfeed.
- Derek Mahar
Please can we get this for Blackberry!
- Ms_Krista
I far prefer Friendfeed's own iPhone-compatible web page. You can do likes in place, you see comments inline, it just works better than BuddyFeed.
- Leo Laporte
I got BuddyFeed a few days ago, but have found myself using the /iphone web interface instead just because it requires fewer taps, etc. Neither of them have the equivalent of "My discussions", which is a bummer.
- Brett Kelly
as cool as the iphone is I cant get one until they change the keyboard... I use my blackberry for work and I type a lot on it.. u can't really type out long emails with an iphone.
- Jason Pollock
@Jason - I've written entire blog posts on my iPhone. It's not too hard once you've had some practice :)
- Brett Kelly
Was using MotherFeed and this is much better. Definitely worth the $2.99 price tag.
- Chris Sparno
from BuddyFeed
I agree with Brett. I took my touch to Europe and conducted 3 weeks worth of business and personal stuff, including blogging, with no issues. The more you use the soft keyboard, the better you'll get.
- Stan Augustyniewicz
agree with leo - the web interface on the iphone is great
- andy brudtkuhl
Cannot complain with the nice web interface.
- ashish
I'm using Nambu, not perfect but you have twetter and ff in the same app
- David Foucher
Too many taps in BuddyFeed. I'm back in Safari on iPhone FF.
- John Francis
I prefer the BuddyFeed interface to Nambu, and since I'm sticking to Tweetie for my Twitter stuff, I'll probably shelve Nambu for now. Yes, the mobile web interface for FF is pretty good, but I really like BuddyFeed's implementation. Certainly don't regret dropping $3 for it. Like most iPhone apps of this kind, I'll use it until it frustrates me or something better comes along. Me likey.
- Victor Kamutzki
Off topic, but here's another nod for the iPhone keyboard. I type faster on this than any BB, WinMo, Symbian, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, or dumbphone I've ever owned. Love it.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
If it were an ad, would the tendency be to provide negative feedback? Should it be one giant conversation FriendFeed wide? Should you only see comments from your friends?
- Louis Gray
Louis, for how long? If an ad stayed there forever, I'd have a problem with that. I'd want a premium/paid membership to get rid of it.
- Rochelle
@Nathan, can you do 'hide all like this' Or is that something we may end up paying for? Hmm
- Mo Kargas
I don't know, Rochelle. I'm not in charge. :)
- Louis Gray
@Rochelle - some ads people want to see. Super Bowl commericals for example.
- Nathan Chase
It's a great idea and you can hide them.
- Michael Fidler
Nathan, if people want to see the ads on FriendFeed, then they can opt to not pay for a premium membership and can see all of the ads. :)
- Rochelle
I have no problem with this, it's the slickest implementation of ads I think I've ever seen (besides Google AdWords), as long as they stay away from ad companies that don't screen their ads and through popups and malware on everyone's computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Borrowed from Facebook "sponsored stories." Turnabout is fair play
- Christian Anderson
I understand this is the direction Facebook is taking also
- Michael Fidler
The potential of this just prepares me to yearn for a paid option.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah. I could see FriendFeed power users paying to keep the ads off as a premium service. Although some people might just leave FriendFeed entirely - or some enterprisiing Greasemonkey/Stylish hacker would discover a way to hide them all via scripting
- Nathan Chase
I wonder what sort of targeting will they use for ads within feeds, when someone is bashing twitter it may seem a good time to show ad for a competitive service (say ff)
- Asankhaya Sharma
The new logon has been very successful so far. This just ensures that more people will see it. They should feature this on every individual item/post page when someone views it who's not logged in
- Michael Fidler
It is really strange not to be able to like or comment on it, but now that it shows up on the subscription management page, I guess it's really just more along the lines of an alert. I *do* like it, and the timing is sure 'nuff good.
- Kathy Fitch
They probably don't want people to comment on it because most of the comments would be complaints (not now, maybe, but later).
- Fa La La La Lindsay
True, Lindsay--but all the more reason to let 'er rip, I always think. Never know what ideas will be gleaned. Anyway, I'm sure they knew we'd discuss and examine elsewhere.
- Kathy Fitch
They should add 'like' to ads if this is the monetisation strategy. Similar to the way you can up vote ads in reddit. Hide counts as a down vote
- Glenn Slaven
Nice--very nice--it updates. Keeps tabs on new twitter friends not yet added here. Handy. (But yes, of course, an ad could be pushed in just the same way. One of the perks/temptations of being the one with the keys to the system. Can't deny it's efficient for bulletins, though.)
- Kathy Fitch
Jay, what are you saying is "confirmed"?
- Rochelle
Also had the permalink so the feature could easily be located for future reference.
- Kathy Fitch
I don't mind the unit per se, but not being able to comment on it seems antithetical to what FriendFeed has been working towards. And ... wouldn't you want a Like or Share option too?
- AJ Kohn
Thanks to your post (and all the similar ones) it's becoming part of a viral self-promotion campaign :-)
- gib
The disturbing thing to me would be if future ads were very sticky, and also from unscrupulous advertisers. (like the ones on Facebook) - Sitcky: I just don't have the screen realestate to spare for ad space like that ad had. Evil advertisers on Facebook: the damn IQ quizzes and Make Money Fast Online crap. I see enough on Facebook and twitter of all that. Liking ads is key. Commenting would be even better.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
ON another Note: I WOULD like to see Important FriendFeed announcements take this format: Planned outages, Known feed issues (i.e. AOL mail not going, Faceook status not importing, Twitter link down etc). And These should be sticky until acknowledged.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I wouldn't consider this a "shameless ad". It is informative and helps one to use the product better. I benefited from it.
- Roebot
I saw it when it happened. At least they labeled it appropriately.
- Martha
I just added 128 more Twitter friends to my Twitter Clone list. They just keep coming!
- Louis Gray
With like, commenting and clickthroughs, you can compute relevancy of the ad and use that to improve targeting. Furthermore, provide "feeds" for discussing products and services that are in the ads. This has so much potential. In fact, let me search for ads and create a new category of ads called "coupons"!
- Peng-Toh
Just saw this,is this FF's ad business model?
- Steve Chou
At least these guys have a potential business model! I won't mind *a few* such "shameless self promotions" or ads per day.
- Vijay
it's much too early still for FriendFeed to advertise, but probably in the end offering an ad free paid account and a free ad supported account make sense.
- Thomas Hawk
Saw this yesterday. I don't mind it but I think Thomas' idea is the best option.
- Al Stevens