One more year that Robot Santa did not kill me! Perhaps it's time to watch Bender's Big Score...oh, and I think I found the vee of my love in your mosaic! COOL!
- MiniMage - HLtW
YAY! I made it in the picture! 6th row, 8th position from the left (among other places). :-)
- Jason is Sassy
WOW! Trying to find me in the collage, Mary Carmen, Andrew Trinh ok, ... *focusing even more* Nathan Reid, that's so interesting to find those you already know... *focusing for me* 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Finally have Wave invites. For some reason I didn't have invites to deal out until now. If there are anyone out there that still need, post your email in the comments and I will send you one.
"White chocolate is technically not chocolate at all, since it does not contain chocolate liquor or cocoa solids, the two primary ingredients in chocolate."
- Spidra Webster
Guys, does http://thenextweb.com/uk/ load for you? Whether it does or doesn't, can you let me know what device or browser you're using? (update: thank you SO much for all your help)
In my "my discussions" feed, this post comes up just below the multiple spinning heads of Josh Haley, and for one brief moment Josh and dancing girl were rotating in sync. It was the most exciting thing to have happened so far today.
- Slappy Line
"It was the most exciting thing to have happened so far today." <--LOL
- Josh Haley
Watching this while Bette's computer is doing a very important upgrade of WoW from trial to real game. Don't Don't Don't watch this piece of crap, nomatter what you are offered, refuse!
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from Bookmarklet
Looking back on another year, my second Xmas with the Double Fs, I have come to appreciate the power and complete kickassedness of a lot of you here. For me, putting aside one's personal spiritual persuasions, Xmas is about taking stock of the ones you know and the ones you hold dear. This year has been hard for a lot of us. Some of us have battle personal tragedy. Some of us have battled financial stresses. Some of us have battled illness or disease... some continue that battle and you are in our thoughts. The year kicked off in spectacular fashion with the birth of Audrey Moskovitz. I have enjoyed watching her grow and I have also enjoyed watching the growth of Akiva and Rochelle as they experience some of the things those of us with kids have experienced. I have forged strong friendships. I have built on existing ones. I have lost some as well. The fact that I have a wonderful friend in Mr Josh Haley is a true blessing and a gift that lasts longer than one day. He truly is the Yang...
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- Johnny Worthington
Can't wait to see your Christmas pix, Johnny! Hope y'all have a wonderful day!
- Laura B.
Merry Christmas to you and your family, Johnny! :-D
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Great post Johnny! Here's wishing all the same back to you, and that Bruce the Koala is all shagged out and allows you some peace and quiet during the hols :)
- Patrick Jordan
For know I think Avatar (looked nice in 3D and also thought it was funny at times. The Colonel Miles Quaritch was really funny at times). From which I seen I also liked star trek/Hurt locker/ up! (not as much as I thought it would....)
- alfred westerveld
I haven't seen a ton of movies this year sadly. At the moment I'd probably go with Inglourious Basterds.
- Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
some Japanese film i saw between Singapore and Tokyo. no idea what it was called, but it was about mountain climbers in the first decade of the 20th century who were trying to scale a mountain in Japan that had only been scaled in legend by a monk.
- Joe Silence
I haven't seen too many but out of the ones I have seen, I have to say Ninja Assassin.
- aden {still not ginger}
Umm!! Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince and Ice Age 3 were my favorites followed by District 9. Have to watch Avatar in a couple of days so things can change.
- mridul
Steven, I've seen Moon and Dix9 this week, and I really dislike them. Inglorious Basterds is over the top, followed by Tarantino!
- Eugenio
I haven't seen a lot...I liked Star Trek, Avatar, didn't see District 9 or Inglorious Basterds, I liked Up a lot, but was it my favorite? I don't think so. I'll get back to you.
- Derrick
Whoops, Alistair, I just checked and these are Mountaineer apples, related to the York Imperial. Very crisp and tasty, seem v. hardy, and interestingly shaped (sort of flattened out). I'm having one now. :) More here: http://blog.wholefoodsmarket.com/2009...
- Ayşe E.
celery and carrots but I dipped them in a spinach dip
- VAL D. Zone
a really great salad with Xm45 d1nn4RR.
- Joe Silence
Christmas Eve, my daughter made a mahito broccoli stir-fry for a dinner party she was attending. There was a lot of leftover rice. Since I don't like to waste food, for Christmas dinner we had broiled fish, some of the leftover rice, and an assortment of veggies. Dessert was my fat free vegan pumpkin bread. http://momscookbook.blogspot.com/2006...
- April Russo (app103)
It was officially a White Christmas in the UK today (not sure how they work that out!) but most of the snow in Kent had melted away today, so it wasn't for us. We had a good day though, lots of nice presents. What about you? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Quite a lot of snow here, for what it's worth.
- Tyson Key
Shame about the rain, Citronella. Glad it was beautiful though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Tyson, I hear it's quite snowy up there.
- Kol Tregaskes
I thought for it to be 'officially' a white Christmas in the UK (as far as the bookies are concerned) aat least one snowflake had to fall on the London Weather Centre?
- Ian May
I don't think it's snowing down South but certainly in Scotland.
- Kol Tregaskes
We (Northern Nevada) definitely didn't, we had a huge snow storm a couple weeks ago but hardly any snow left now. Its 40/sunny today so definitely not a white one. In 2 years when my son/girl/me life in the midwest things will be very different :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Very white we even had a family snowball fight on Christmas Eve. Here in Denmark the celebration is on the 24th :-) But it is still white today though thawing a bit.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from iPhone
Cool, Rasmus. We had our snowball fight last week. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Would have been a flawless victory even.... If it wasn't for my sister stuffing a giant snowball down my pants as I was bending for more ammo :(
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from iPhone
It didn't snow here, but we still have leftover snow from last weekend.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
yeah... It's like a magic poke. I got poked through my 3D glasses more than once during that movie.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I cannot wait to own this one... even if I suffered the same fate as the husband. Tough to keep the sniffling sound quiet in the theatre.
- Bette Cooper
We went out and bought it yesterday so my parents could finally see it. It's just as good the second time. Can't wait to watch it again and again and again!!!
- Junebug
We just watched it tonight too. Not at all what I had expected. Sob.
- adf
this was the sweatest most affectionate story i've seen so far. i cannot help envying them :)
- asli subasi
Honestly, I've never seen couples like that IRL. :|
- AJ Batac
well i hope you'll AJ, b/c i want to believe that i will become one, sooner or later . . .(probably much much later) =)
- asli subasi
Guys, I'm having a big clear out on Twitter but want to make sure I'm following all my Friendfeed friends - could you please link to your twitter account in the comments below?
http://twitter.com/rahsheen - pretty positive there was a tool capable of doing this, but not sure if it still exists and can't remember what it was called...I think someone here developed it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What you can do is run this and then click all the Twitter links in the results. It's everyone you are following. It gives a big page of links to all their blogs and services: http://hiphs.com/ff/ffriends
- April Russo (app103)
April, I actually ran it, but it's still hanging, not as quickly as before but it only pulled 2800 of the users from Zee's public subscriptions. I really need to put more work into all of my Friendfeed backup tools. Note: I'm a retard, I'll dm you a list of your users FFriends and their subsequent Twitter accounts.
- Jimminy Fuller
How can you not like The Little Drummer Boy?
- Mark H
I think it's just hearing it way too many times. Given the number of Christmas songs in existence, you would think it would be an easy task not to play one of them fifty times a day.
- Victor Ganata
I will probably hear the second line of "Jingle Bells" as "Batman smells" until the end of my days.
- Victor Ganata
"Jingle Bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, The Batmobile has lost a wheel and the Joker laughs all day" Go here is you want more versions: http://bit.ly/5KQ74v
- Polly Potter
And whenever I hear "oh what fun to ride and sing a sleighing song tonight" I always hear it as "slaying" and imagine Santa Claus laughing maniacally with a scythe on his sleigh chasing bad children and decapitating them. Yeah, I may have problems.
- Victor Ganata
Now that I think of it, that was probably Futurama's fault, though.
- Victor Ganata
The German version of last Christmas, closely followed by a one hit wonder girl called whigfield's version if the same.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from iPhone
Has anybody heard the Bob Dylan Christmas album?
- Brian Sullivan
I used to dislike Jingle Bells until I found out what the rest of the verses were. What a weird song. As for the most annoying, it really depends on the arrangement and the performers.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
@Victor - I listened to the sample and I think it's gotta be reserved for 7th circle or deeper.
- Andrew C
Most anything that tries to be modern or R&B. (I like R&B, too). At my house, we have three christmas albums, which are world music or classical. Pretty well-done stuff, actually.
- Rick Cogley
Christmas in America. And the awful Christmas shoes song. Gah!
- Ladybug Heather
I don't mind injecting a little soul into Christmas songs, provided that the singer can actually pull it off. I'm surprised I haven't heard anything Autotuned, though.
- Victor Ganata
from iPod
My aunt had brain surgery yesterday that lasted fourteen hours. She's not awake yet, though, and has pneumonia. Please send positive thoughts, if you can.
Val, I haven't heard any updates today, other than she's still not awake. My mom is going in later to see what the doctors are saying. Thanks for all the nice thoughts and prayers!
- Trish R
Sending prayers and good thoughts, Trish.
- Laura B.
She woke up early yesterday morning and was coherent and forming complete sentences. Thanks for all the positive thoughts -- the doctors still have to do a lot of tests but it's looking pretty good!
- Trish R
I didn't see this earlier, but that's great news, Trish!
- Alix Whitmire
I think people like the spectacle (coz she's clearly bonkers) and goddamn her, her songs do tend to get stuck in the ol' head...and once she's in there, she's like a fungus.
- Amy
Haven't heard or seen anything by her (as far as I know) and I don't feel like missing anything :)
- Jemm
I avoid most modern music; especially the contrived crap that claims the lion's share of modern music.
- Mark H
A great majority of people would like to listen "nonsense music with voice" while driving,cooking etc. Keygen Muzaks could work like a charm but lack of voice might be question...
- Acharad-Sami-
no 1 likes her, she's simply a function of the major labels being dead. She's all they can produce since they are so ridiculous that no self respecting artist will deal with them.
- echostreamer
Echostreamer, you are wrong. I like her, my girlfriend likes her. Other friends of mine like her.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Kol, that one comment was actually directed towards Steven. Sorry. :\
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I think she's a throwback to NY performance art. If you pay attention to her acts they are pretty similar, while I totally didn't get her for a long time she starts to grow on you. <sigh>
- Justin Broderick
Obviously I can't do anything these days! But I do have a trick that *noone* can do. I will try to document this somehow. #canyoudothis
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
probably it's not her elbow. looks so thick !
- Ferhat Can
Sure I can. I presume you mean licking someone else's elbow they've placed over my shoulder. If you mean "looking cute," then I'm not so sure.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
If I remember correct zigbee is open vs z-wave being closed. On the other hand z-wave is the most widely used.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from iPhone
Rasmus, that's my impression also. It doesn't do much good to have an open standard if most products don't use it. I think the higher end products like Crestron and URC use Zigbee, but ironically they are closed systems themselves.
- Cristo
Lutron as well...and Logitech Harmony.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I believe Lutron uses it's own proprietary protocol, although this may have changed recently. Also, my impression is that while Zigbee is an open standard, none of the products that use it have been designed with higher level protocols to communicate with other vendors Zigbee devices. This effectively makes it a proprietary solution for each vendor.
- Cristo
Lutron used to offer Z-Wave compatible dimmers and such...looks like they may have gotten away from that for whatever reason.
- Alex Scoble
Oh sorry, I was thinking about Leviton.
- Alex Scoble
Yes. Well definitely Leviton. Lutron sued them over Z-wave for violating their wireless patents.
- Cristo
Michael, you know what to do. The battle is not over but the victory is assured: keep fighting. The outcome of all battles is in our Lord's hands. You are here to finish the Lord's purpose for you whether here with Him or there with Him. Our prayers are still with you and a candle has been lit. ITNOTFSAHS.
- Melanie Reed
THat book is definitely on my must read list. I watched a documentary on Hunter a while back. Fascinating personality, I just want to learn more about.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
It's been on mine for years now. The only other book I've read of his was The Rum Diary, which I loved. I'm a HUGE HST fan though. Dr. Gonzo FTW!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Dear Amazon.com: I just purchased an electric fondue pot from you. Thanks for showing me four other electric fondue pots, BUT I JUST BOUGHT ONE FROM YOU AND DON'T NEED ONE ANY MORE.
dont you want another fondue pot? :)
- Allen Stern
Hehe I love Amazon suggestions. You don't even have to buy to get sucked in... I followed a link from here to some popcorn pot on the site. A couple of weeks later suddenly I received a spam suggesting I buy a pop corn maker... Should teach me not to surf Amazon while logged in..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
LOL, both Amazon and eBay fail big when it comes to associating products with recent purchases. Amazon needs to acquire masterminds of Netflix recommendation engine.
- andrei_c
For a second there, I thought about popping a couple Tums.
- Derrick
My problem with the show, is that he always has to do something disgusting. Grubs of different kinds drinking his own piss from the skin of a snake or something even more gross.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"A U.S. Army general in northern Iraq has added pregnancy to the list of reasons a Soldier under his command could be court-martialed. The new policy, outlined last month by Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo and released Friday by the Army, would apply to both female Soldiers who become pregnant on the battlefield and the male Soldiers who impregnate them."
- chaz2b
from Bookmarklet
Oh no, this probably means "I got court martialed after being gang raped" stories to come :(
- Lo
Um. Isn't this what we were warned against when the discussion of women serving first came up? We all said "No way, these people will be perfectly professional." Well. Here we are.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Does the military provide birth control to female soldiers? Because it seems like that would be a more reliable way to resolve the issue rather than "keep your legs together and try not to get raped."
- Jessie
@Lo: No, those impregnated from cases of rape will not be court martialed.
- Itachi
Should they then be forced to take birth control, Jessie?
- Christopher Harley
Gay men and women in the Military not looking so bad now are they?
- CW™
Jeremy, what's unprofessional about having consensual sex? As long as it isn't with a superior or subordinate that is.
- Michael R. Bernstein
its unprofessional when you violate orders, :(
- chaz2b
These people are there to serve a purpose. When you make yourself incapable of serving that purpose, it is the definition of unprofessional.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Where is the clause for rape? I haven't seen an article yet that states there is such a clause.
- Michelle Martinez
@Michelle @Itachi - I haven't seen any rape clause either, but I could believe one exists. However, based on what I've heard about the army's acknowledgement of & attention to their rape problem (or lack thereof), I'd still expect at least one or a few ugly court-martial-rape stories.
- Lo
Jessie, does the military provide/require male soldiers to use condoms? Why make it just about the woman?
- Rochelle
Lo, I don't doubt one exists, but I haven't seen the actual order. I definitely agree with you on the ugly court-martial-rape stories.
- Michelle Martinez
Rochelle, Both parties means the man and the woman both get CM'd.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I know. I was responding to Jessie's comment about the woman needing to be responsible for the birth control usage.
- Rochelle
From the CNN article, "Pregnancy that arises from sexual assault would not be punished, Cucolo said." That does not mean it has been written down, but it is at least being spun that way. I do find myself wondering if the military still has the same "no we won't pay for it" policy on abortion or day after pills.
- Jennifer Dittrich
@rochelle ahh ok my bad then getting into the aggressive groove of the comments at the link, didn't do me good I guess. I apologize.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Jeremy, one problem is that both males and females could be behaving "unprofessionally", but only women would get penalized for it. As usual, women end up holding the hot potato. Oh, wait, I see now. So I guess they'd force a paternity test? Could that even be done easily before the baby is born?
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah, paternity tests can be done prenatally if the mother has an amnio or CVS.
- Rochelle
@Michelle - it does still worry me though, given (as you pointed out) the terrible record with sexual assault cases. I'm hoping the directive itself is a bit more specific.
- Jennifer Dittrich
There are women that get pregnant to get out of Iraq, or to avoid deployment altogether, I have served with some of them. And yes, it is absolutely wrong. What pisses me off, though, is that a whole bunch of men go to Iraq, cheat on their spouse, and their wife blames the female rather than blame their husband that can't keep it in his pants for 12 months. Iraq was scandalous. The things that went on during my deployment were mind blowing.
- Michelle Martinez
So I guess that invasive procedure is considered benign enough? or I guess if a woman refuses to have a test done, a test can be done on the child after it's born? I still think it's easier for a man to get out of this than a woman. It seems unfair.
- Kamilah Gill
[edited: Chaz2b], there is a difference between getting pregnant deliberately (yes, that could be considered unprofessional) and taking precautions such as using protection and having that protection fail (which happens, condoms, the pill, etc. are not 100% effective).
- Michael R. Bernstein
Not when you are in the military. these people are not civilians. They have different rules.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, how can you say that? They just *changed* the rules.
- Michael R. Bernstein
hm =/ They're still humans, though...
- Kamilah Gill
We had a female in our unit get pregnant and get sent home while we were in Iraq. The best part was that the father was married to someone else. Technically they could have punished him with the adultery thing, but they never did.
- Michelle Martinez
Human =/= unable to control themselves. These are soldiers, not administrative assistants.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
There is no way you can ask healthy people in their late teens and 20s to simply *not have sex* for their entire term of service. No. Way.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Yes there is. People with morals do it all the time.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Michael, They can have sex while in the army, just not in Iraq.
- Michelle Martinez
I like how Jeremy implies that people who have sex have no morals. Does that apply to soldiers who are married to each other, too, Jeremy?
- Rochelle
So.. lets go all big brother and do this. Once you enter the military they remove eggs from the women and freeze the sperm from the men. Then the soldiers go through a sterilization procedure to take care of this issue as well as any war babies that has constantly occurred over the centuries. Once out of service the Gov then will provide the eggs and sperm for the vet's use to have children.
- CW™
Soldiers aren't going to stop having sex in Iraq, I guarantee it. And as far as morals go, I saw way worse stuff in four years of the army than I ever saw in four years of college. Way worse.
- Michelle Martinez
Some teens and 20-somethings might make it through long and frequent tours of service in Iraq without ever having sex, but if the military limited itself to that pool of recruits, it probably wouldn't be large enough to fight a major war.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
@Rochelle, although that may be my opinion, I just said that people can abstain from sexual activity if they have a strong moral base. It happens all the time. Only those with no moral base would conclude that it couldn't be done. We are humans, not animals. @CW, that's not what I meant at all. I actually was commenting on the relative good judgment of having a co-ed military....
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- Jeremy (cropmarks)
{edit: myself} i was just trying to illustrate how much you let your unit down, in a war situation, when you (male/femme) violate orders (no sex in a war environment), :( Your brothers and sisters train with you & rely on your support for survival in war, you are obligated to stow "your" stuff while deployed (in a war enviroment), nothing more, nothing less.
- chaz2b
Jeremy, I get what you're saying, but I doubt things will change. People shouldn't have sex in Iraq, but they will. And even though the male is also being punished, the military culture tends to blame the woman.
- Michelle Martinez
Jeremy, I agree that most people can abstain from sexual activity if they have been sufficiently brainwashed, though a very large percentage of them wouldn't be particularly effective soldiers when you were done. Note that boot camp is just such a brainwashing activity, tuned over centuries for the process of producing effective soldiers, and completely abstaining from sex is definitely not part of the program.
- Michael R. Bernstein
So people with a 'moral base' can abstain from obesity caused by over-eating, but everyone else cannot?
- Micah Wittman
All people can abstain from any non-autonomic behavior that they choose to. It is only when you have been taught that you are just an animal and have no control over instincts that you give into every physical whim.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Micah, because a large number of people assume that over-eating and obesity *are* moral failings.
- Michael R. Bernstein
An addict can stop indulging the craving when they choose to do so.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Wow. You clearly don't know much about addiction.
- Rochelle
Wrong. I'm involved with the work of several addiction recovery counselors.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Michael, obesity is multi-faceted issue, as is the state's (military and civilian) governance of human behaviour across the board.
- Micah Wittman
I don't know any addiction recovery counselor who would tell their clients to just suck it up and quit being an addict.
- Rochelle
The first step to recovery is realizing that you want to stop.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, there are always people at the margin who can be helped through willpower/morals/whatever. There is a very large chunk of folks that cannot be helped that way.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Cranking up the willpower/ethics/morals/whatever even higher may get you a few more folks, but eventually you run into sharply diminishing returns.
- Michael R. Bernstein
That's a cop-out. Then no human is responsible for their actions. Their nature made them do it.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Why? Advocating for stronger morals isn't a bad thing within reason, but if you take it too far eventually you slide into self-hate, puritanism, and self-righteously telling other people what to do because you *can't* actually control yourself.
- Michael R. Bernstein
What I'm saying isn't that *some* people couldn't abstain if they wanted to, but that there is no way you can get *all* people to do so, and blaming the *majority* who can't is nonsensical.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Not exactly, but there is a reason we have reduced penalties for 'crimes of passion', 'in the heat of the moment', etc.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Intent matters. So, if serving soldiers did not *intend* to get pregnant, and took adequate precautions, I see no reason they should be penalized the same as someone who *intended* to get pregnant or recklessly failed to use protection.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Imagine, if you will, that they were injured and thus incapacitated through reckless driving.
- Michael R. Bernstein
What you're suggesting, Jeremy, is equivalent to making any recreational activity that results in the soldier being incapacitated for active duty (even if they take reasonable precautions) punishable by court martial.
- Michael R. Bernstein
You're assuming that sexual intercourse is relegated to recreational activity - like playing Uno or Dominoes.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Hmm. Jeremy, do you have any objection to soldiers having consensual sex other than the possibility of pregnancy? Are you assuming that having sex is *inherently* immoral? Perhaps I should have asked this earlier, with your murder analogy.
- Michael R. Bernstein
i have a problem with disregarding orders, :(
- chaz2b
BTW, for the record, I think sex is *way* better than Dominoes or Uno. Even better than Scrabble.
- Michael R. Bernstein
i have a problem of being trained to do a duty, in war, and people jeapordizing the safety of others for their own gratification
- chaz2b
I am assuming that sex is more significant than Dominoes or a Sunday Drive. It can be immoral if it is taking advantage of another person by not first creating a safe monogamous relationship. But that's not the issue. We're discussing soldiers fighting a war. Different level of commitment.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Sorry I'm late to respond. My understanding was that the military provides condoms (please correct me if I'm wrong). I was wondering if the military also provided female birth control because then female soldiers might have some control over the situation, i.e. pregnancy wouldn't be dependent on whether male soldiers decided to wear a condom. Re: whether or not they should be forced to...
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- Jessie
I think we're talking past each other here, Jeremy. Do you have any objection to soldiers having consensual sex *other* than the possibility of a pregnancy which would render them unfit for active duty?
- Michael R. Bernstein
look what happened while we were debating this "General Backs Off on Court Martials for Pregnant Soldiers" http://abcnews.go.com/WN...
- chaz2b
"I regret that the term 'court martial' is bandied about or mentioned," Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III said from Iraq today. "I do not ever see myself putting a soldier in jail for this."
- chaz2b
Cucolo said that in the eight weeks his policy has been in force, four women soldiers were redeployed because they had become pregnant in violation of Cucolo's order. The four women and two male soldiers received letters of reprimand that will not remain in their permanent military files. A third male soldier, he said, was also punished for getting a female soldier pregnant. He was a...
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- chaz2b
"Anyone who leaves this fight early because they made a personal choice that changed their medical status -- or contributes to doing that to another -- is not in keeping with a key element of our ethos, 'I will always place the mission first,' or three of our seven core values: loyalty, duty and selfless service," he continued. "And I believe there should be negative consequences for making that personal choice. "
- chaz2b
Some commanders, he (Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks) noted, have made DUI a potentially court martial offense, while some haven't.
- chaz2b
I'd support classifying 'unprotected sex' (note: not 'sex', or 'pregnancy') as roughly the same level of offense as a DUI.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael: And how would you enforce that? Pregnancy is easy to verify.
- Tudor Bosman
Well, that's pretty tricky, I admit. But we shouldn't go down the road of making things crimes just because they are easy to verify.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Quite the opposite: we shouldn't go down the road of making activities crimes that 1. aren't easy to verify, and 2. don't hurt anyone (except maybe the people who engage in those activities intentionally).
- Tudor Bosman
I wouldn't necessarily discount the power of self-incrimination, though. Happens all the time.
- Michael R. Bernstein
BTW, although you can't enforce condom *use*, if you simply assume soldiers are human and going to have sex, you require them to have condoms as part of their kit. No going anywhere without them.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Also, unprotected sex by itself doesn't hurt anyone (except for the two (or more) people involved, if one of them has a STD, but presumably they're fully aware of what they're doing). Pregnancy does hurt a woman's ability to fight on the front lines, and so it seems to me perfectly reasonable to restrict it.
- Tudor Bosman
I personally prefer criminalizing as little as possible; breaking into someone's house should be a crime, but simply owning lockpicks shouldn't be.
- Tudor Bosman
But Tudor, unprotected sex does not automatically result in pregnancy, it just has a higher likelihood. Just like DUI does not automatically result in an accident.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Criminalizing pregnancy means that if two people engage in safe sex and the protections fail, they are still guilty.
- Michael R. Bernstein
You can't reasonably expect people to simply not have sex. It's insane.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael: which they should be; it's pregnancy that actually has consequences on the woman's ability to serve, not sex itself, unprotected or not. And you could have extenuating circumstances if you could prove that the pregnancy was caused from failure of a birth control method used correctly, and aggravating circumstances if the prosecution can prove that the woman became pregnant in order to avoid service on the front lines.
- Tudor Bosman
All of these particulars illustrate to me the reason why the military should not try to regulate pregnancy in this manner. Perhaps there's another solution. (I'm not sure what, but all of this oversteps personal rights too much for me. I know that you give up certain rights when you join the military, but not every right.)
- Kamilah Gill
Also, if I may be blunt, pregnancy is not irreversible, while the consequences of a traffic accident often are. (I do think that any regulation that criminalizes pregnancy should also make abortion easily available) A woman can abstain (and thus be certain that she won't be pregnant, barring rape), use birth control (two different methods of birth control, used concurrently and...
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- Tudor Bosman
Kam - they are supposed to be soldiers. Hard, tough, fighting soldiers. If they can't keep their pants on, we don't need them as soldiers. Men and women alike.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy: while I understand your point, a solution that *works* is better than one that has stronger principles.
- Tudor Bosman
Why is it assumed that stronger principals would not work?
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
While I have no data related directly to the military, the closest thing that comes to mind is abstinence-only sex education, which has been shown (time and time again) to be ineffective. See, for example, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....
- Tudor Bosman
Who says your principals are stronger or for everyone? What works for you does not equal success for everyone else.
- CW™
Also, a policy that takes into account people's urges and desires is (prima facie) more likely to be effective than one that works against them.
- Tudor Bosman
The funny thing is, "not having sex" was not specifically banned while I was deployed. It was all the things that could lead to it that were banned like males going into the females' quarters. Leadership knew it was going on, only pregnancies and assaults were an issue.
- Rob Haas
I'd like to suggest an alternate solution: Pregnancy results in immediate maternity leave. After maternity leave, the soldier must get back into shape until they are fit for duty. Their tour is automatically extended by the same amount of time as leave+getting back into shape.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Jeremy, do you also think that returning soldiers could choose to stop having PTSD? Also, that you're "involved in the work of several addiction recovery counselors" doesn't mean you know SHIT about addiction. The recovery industry has largely ignored all scientifically-based information about addiction for decades. But I highly recommend not replying to my comment or this thread will go train wreck quickly.
- Lo
Lo, that depends. I have some very close relationships with those who have had some very real addictions, but I, myself, have not had a serious coke habit, no. I'm glad you're an expert in the field and ready to dismiss the whole profession based on your exclusive knowledge on the subject. I'm also glad that any dissent against your opinion comes with a threat. I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy, my "threat" was merely intended as a warning that this is a highly emotional topic for me. I do not claim to be an expert. As an addict who received a lot of expensive "help" that gave me still more problems, I took the time to read a bunch of studies about the various treatment modalities in use and their effectiveness - as determined by actual research. I was fucking...
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- Lo
Oh. See, I've got several people that will say that 12 step programs saved their life. What a strange thing.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Furthermore, my issue with your comments has less to do with the issue of addiction, and more to do with your implied assertion that alcoholism and multiple suicide attempts were a rational choice I made, and that these choices were due to a lack of morality. Intense emotion actually causes the cerebral cortex to stop functioning.
- Lo
Well, then I will remember that you are not responsible for your own actions.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Yeah, I was one of the people who credited AA with my life, too. Then I stopped going to AA, and I did not return to drinking or die as they told me I would. Then I read that the rate of people who stay sober in AA is nearly identical to the rate of people who get sober with no treatment of any kind. You are aware of the phenomenon where humans can create rational explanations and believe them despite the fact they are false? Also demonstrated by research.
- Lo
Where did I say I was not responsible for my own actions?
- Lo
"Intense emotion actually causes the cerebral cortex to stop functioning."
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I don't see the word responsible in there anywhere.
- Lo
I am responsible for the outcome of my actions. That does not mean that every action I make is a carefully considered, rational choice based solely on my morality.
- Lo
No, there is such a thing as diminished capacity, I'll agree with you there. But no one starts there. Your choices get you there.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
LOL I chose my brain chemistry and genes?!?!?!!? You are a fucking trip.
- Lo
Jeremy, would a tourret's syndrome sufferer be responsible for their verbal outbursts, or would that just be a laps of moral judgment on their part?
- Jeff P. Henderson
I chose to have more intense emotions than 99% of mankind? (I had what they call borderline personality disorder, thus the drinking)
- Lo
Jeremy you are not going to win this argument....
- Jeff P. Henderson
I think the problem is that, like most people, you lie to yourself about the nature of your decision-making process. This is not a slam against you, there seems to be evidence that this is an innate brain function, and it's probably there for a reason. Like most, you can't bear to consider that you aren't as in control of your decisions as you'd like to believe. And that's fine. You can think that all day and I don't care, it doesn't affect me.
- Lo
@Jeff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..., @Lo - I'm not going to say that chemical imbalances are not a part of life, but let's please not try and blame everything but ourselves for our actions.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
But when you tell me that one day I woke up, was perfectly healthy & had every opportunity, and I CHOSE to ruin my life and nearly die for a good fucking time, damn straight I will get pissed off.
- Lo
Again, you are putting words into my mouth! I already said I'm responsible for everything I do, and I blame no one for my actions!
- Lo
WTF is "blame" anyway? Define it. It's an artificial construct that means nothing.
- Lo
"TS is an inherited neuropsychiatric disorder" How is this different than other mental illnesses?
- Jeff P. Henderson
If by "blame" you mean "what made something happen," then there are thousands if not billions of factors spanning centuries that all led up to every decision I make. Every experience I've ever had shapes how I react to stimuli. Every connection in my brain got there somehow, and determines my behavior.
- Lo
Jeff, I'm not arguing against chemical imbalances, but Lo's argument is that she didn't choose to make the choices she's made. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
NO. I am saying that your understanding of the concept of choice is ridiculous and contrary to science.
- Lo
My concept of choice is that I am not an animal, and am therefore capable of making decisions and will be held responsible for them.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I take full responsibility for everything I've ever done and said, and even things that most people say are not my fault. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. I've done 9th steps with basically everyone I've ever known and continue to do them despite not being in the program.
- Lo
As should these young men and women in the military.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy I don't completely agree with your statement. Mental illness, chemical imbalances can cause you to act in a manner that is against your judgment, or in a manner that is unacceptable to most people.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"I am not an animal" - Then you're the first creature outside my kingdom to achieve language! Yes you are, learn some science. You might work on some compassion, too. You have misread my intent every step of the way. I'm not saying I'm not responsible for my actions, I'm saying that your assertion that people deliberately choose to suffer and die is rude & callous in the extreme.
- Lo
Lo, I drake heavily and acted in a sexually promiscuous manner for several years. Those actions have had several negative impacts on my life. However, when I made those choices, I was in full control of what I was doing. Society has held me responsible, because I could have chosen to act in a more appropriate manner. If I could not make that choice, it would not be just to hold me...
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- Jeremy (cropmarks)
How do you know you were "in full control"? That's your opinion. I hate to break it to you, but all the neuroscience I've read in that area lately suggests that's an illusion. Anyway, you're misunderstanding my point and making me feel very upset & like shit, so I quit. You're right, I was in full control of myself from birth, and I decided to try to kill myself repeatedly because I was bored. Why am I such an idiot and an asshole? Guess it's because I'm immoral. You win.
- Lo
Jeremy, all I'll say is, I hope you're a troll.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, and he's good, it's been a long time since I "chose" to be so upset about something stupid somebody said on the internet :P
- Lo
It's easy to dismiss what someone is saying when you label them as sub-human.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
well you're obviously not human. since humans are animals.
- Sarah
People are different. Some of my friends have addictions they can't stop. Others have quit smoking on their first try. I don't think there's any "theory" of "Does 12-step work or not" that applies to everyone. Even if statistics (which I'm not familiar with) say "12-step" is bunk, there always can be people out there which it helps. My Dad works with medicine, and he jokes that the...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Jeremy, I dismissed what you're saying because you appear to be trolling. No one called you less than subhuman, and indeed your failure to respond to my points is the key sign you're just trying to be a jerk rather than actually argue for anything. Another big tip-off is that you argued for several contradictory points - did you really say addiction is a choice and then defend the...
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- Lo
Mitchell, I agree completely and that's why I don't discourage anyone from going to AA even though I don't anymore. The problem (in my eyes) is that a common view among treatment "professionals" (which includes psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors, who don't necessarily have special training or education relating to addiction) is that 12-step programs work, and if they don't work it's the patient's fault, and the solution is just to wait until she gets more miserable. Assuming she doesn't die.
- Lo