It's from monkeylimit, not my personal Twitter. I should dissociate that, since FriendFeed accumulates *all* Twitter accounts as just "on Twitter". - Chris Anthony
This is sad to watch. How does Yang still have a job? I respect him and I understand the emotional reason for him hanging on, but he has to see how he is failing. Even if he thinks he is pushing the company in the right direction he needs the talent to keep up. - Occasional Headbanger
Agreed edythe. I'm sure these are all very talented people but ... these are all folks who steered the course that brought Yahoo! to where it is, right? The vets are leaving and will certainly find a good fit on another team, but maybe it's time to bring in some new talent. (Stretching for sports analogy.) - AJ Kohn
I wonder who approved the name 'ymail'.... =\ - Mona N.
Yahoo loses the main resources - human ones - Igor Poltavskiy
AJ, sure you could bring some talented rookies up from Triple A, but you also have to seed your team with veterans who will help the kids handle the pressure during the playoffs and World Series. - Ontario Emperor
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@Ontario: Ah, another sports fan! Very true, but you could obtain some veteran talent from free agency, right? - AJ Kohn
Looks like the MS defense is backfiring big time? - Charlie Anzman
I have to think many of these departures would have happened even if MS thing happened. They're leaving because focus isn't on their products. - John Frost
Not surprised at all. So sick of waiting for delicious 2.0! Yahoo's totally blundered a once great service. Here's a guest post I did for Sarah Lacy about the whole mess at Yahoo. http://www.sarahlacy.com/sarah... - paisano
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http://www.sarahlacy.com/sarah... is a guest post I did for Sarah Lacy about the mess at yahoo regarding a once great service. I'm so sick of waiting for delicious 2.0! - paisano
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As a former Yahoo, this is starting to get to be a bit hard to watch. Where's the good news? Any good news will do. - Ryan Kuder
thanks, AJ. Yeah, Yahoo is changing. it wouldn't make sense if these people stayed. but that's OK. it makes room for other good things and good people. - edythe
Edythe - Some transparency in the coming days would be good. With all the headlines worrying about Flickr, Del.icio.us, etc. Of course, for you I'm available for an exclusive but I have a feeling you just got 50 phonecalls?! :) - Charlie Anzman
Bye bye Yahoo! Ahem. Wait. What is this Yahoo thing you're all talking about? - Benedikt Koehler
ppl from flickr left too. slow death. slow death - Caroline
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lets be a bit more down-to-earth here: the founders of flickr/delicious leaving is not really all that significant to Yahoo, and it's more surprising they stayed as long as they did. the stock price has barely moved all week, and i think we are *far* from seeing any form of apocalypse yet. i'm not saying it's all rosy or anything, but this is overreacting 2.0 as far as i can tell... - Jeremy Toeman
+1 for overreacting. The founders of the various sites that Yahoo acquired stayed on for a few years. Now they're vested and they're moving on. - Mike Doeff
earlier today i was more worried about all of this. now it is just seeming inevitable. i feel like all this departure has a lot of potential to encourage positive growth at Yahoo!. - edythe
I was there in 1997. Pretty nice, although expensive. Didn't care for the food too much, but that's not really what you're there for. Glass underneath bungalows is cool, as is going for random midnight swims outside of your bungalow. - Chris White
No, I'd like to, but it's too far away for now. I just saw it on another (private) feed and reshared it so that Ana could see what we're talking about. - Paul Buchheit
Never got to bora bora but did go to moorea. Stunning but ... I'll take kauai any day. - AJ Kohn
We spent part of our honeymoon there back in 2001. Beautiful place. - Mike Doeff
Huahine and Rangiroa are also interesting. Moorea is probably the most commonly visited, but maybe not as interesting. Kauai still matches up against these places for fun and beauty in my opinion. Hanalei Bay and Napali coast are amazing. - Chris White
wow... that looks spectacular. Category 7. I don't think I will ever have enough starwood points for that :) - Frankie Warren
Bora Bora is beautiful, but built entirely for tourists. I'd also take Kauai over it any day. - Tudor Bosman
(Alright, so we need to keep Kauai a secret!) Don't go it's awful! Roosters keep you up all night. - AJ Kohn
True. If you leave the house at night in Kauai, you'll be attacked by armies of wild chickens. - Tudor Bosman
And also, there are cane spiders, which could attain a legspan of about 10 inches, and (according to Wikipedia) "they are able to travel extremely fast, and walk on walls and even on ceilings. They also tend to exhibit a "cling" reflex if picked up, making them difficult to shake off and much more likely to bite." Don't go to Kauai! - Tudor Bosman
I can't imagine that anything could top the Galapagos Islands. We went there on our honeymoon in 2005. Clare did get stung by jellyfish twice though, and a baby sea-lion sniffed her foot. So on second thought , maybe you shouldn't go. - Robert Felty
We stayed at the Intercontinental on Bora Bora for New Years 2005. Very similar to the photos above with the huts over the water. It was beautiful. Great for water sports, the scuba was wonderful! Other than that though its just Luais and laying on the beach. And the food is horribly expensive and not that great. The island is small so you can go to local restaurants with better food, but the prices are still bad. It was a nice trip, but I wouldn't go back. A few photos from back then: http://photo.phoenixfeather.ne... - Rachel Lea Fox
Oh, and Kauai is the wettest place on Earth. So why go to Kauai?! - AJ Kohn
Yeah, and the food sucks on Kauai. Don't go to A Pacific Cafe. :) - Chris White
Honestly though, Maui is better for swimming. Cayman Islands are even better. - Chris White
@seman :WOW! these are awesome! Can I share them with my friends? - little Angel
Bora Bora is heaven ... simply heaven! Moorea was great too ... rented bikes, a camera, my girlfriend, alcohol, and partying with the natives on the beach ... - Allen Hurff
How much should you expect to spend to see this place? - seman
Here's when it literally doesn't pay being a Geek. - Parth Awasthi
It's at least $800 per night on the water. The meals are expensive too. It really doesn't matter if you are a geek or not. It's expensive. - Chris White
@Allen Hurff: lol. it sounds like you rented bikes and a camera and also rented your girlfriend, alcohol, and the partying with the natives. :D - edythe
My brother & sister-in-law stayed there 2 years ago for their honeymoon. They absolutely loved it. - Jason Menayan
Tahiti is one of my favorite places. Went for my honeymoon in 00' and then back again before my son was born in 03'- we're planning a trip for 09' hopefully! - Erin Kotecki Vest
And you have to expose it to the internet directly, not behind either NAT router or firefall. What are the chances of that? - Steven Van Tilburg
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"Mozilla now says it’s averaging 14,000 downloads per minute of the new revamped browser, which comes out to 13 gigs a second — whew! Engineers predict a download total in the tens of millions by the end of the first 24 hours." - Russellreno
WOW! Impressive to the max! this is going to be huge by the end of the "day"! - Susan Beebe
I know. We were all shocked with how the school is handling this. I hope we can spread the word on this. - Tris Hussey
I hope that asking this isn't crossing a line, but where in Indiana is this happening? I'm in Richmond (on the Ohio border), and very curious; I may be (long story) about to put a child into the Wayne County educational system. - Chris Anthony
@Chris, I will try to find out for you. Gayla's posts may have more information. - Tris Hussey
Serious lack of common sense from a school admin, typical. - Christian Burns
depends on the person I'm im'ing with. but I usually say something like: "thanks for chatting ttyl", or "got to run, ttyl" or "ciao sucka". - Ginger Makela
Most of the time I just let the conversation die; If I'm chatting with someone 99% of the time they are asking me (or I am asking them) a programming related question. We ask, discuss, solve, and then usually get so wrapped up in something else that the conversation stops. I chat less and less these days and use email more and more. Chat is usually too disruptive for me. - Benjamin Golub
I think it depends more on the formal vs informal aspect. Usually I end it with a simple "later." - Colby Olson
just start talking crazy talk at them and they'll usually drop off. Tell them that you've just drank an entire bottle of Wild Turkey and are getting ready to get naked and will they be available for the next four hours? Use lots of all caps and exclamation marks and just start typing weird animal sounds. - Thomas Hawk
-30- Only works with journalists though. ;) - Jack Carlson
task manager. kill the IM process. stay off IM for 3 weeks. when you see your co-converser in public, tell them that the feds came and took your laptop, and have been posing as you ever since. - Chris Hollander
It's hard sometimes, ppl just don't want to finish up. Usually I say that I've got to go, and that's no lying because I usually do have to get back to doing work - Duncan Riley
Depends on what kind of conversation it is and why you want to end it. - Chris Anthony
LOL I wondered what that was all about, TH. Now I know I should just turn around and walk away.... - Jeremy Brooks
Though seriously, normally the conversation just dies out. If not, a "bye" or "later" - Jeremy Brooks
There is no protocol for ending IM- if I am chatting and if something comes up - i just leave the chat window open and continue with what I need to do. That is, if the IM is not a professional service chat. The Best bet is to type in bbl /ttyl - Peter Dawson
I usually end with "The boss says I have to stop chatting and start working now :( " - Mat
Thanks for all for feedback. Jason, re ending the thread - if we follow the linkedin model, then I can end the thread by choosing the best answer. I've just drank an entire bottle of Wild Turkey... - Ontario Emperor
Because of the time-difference (I hope), most threads seem to end with a comment from me, so I would suggest the ettiquette for ending a FF thread is to just get up and walk away as soon as you see my name! Oh, hang on... - Slippy Lane
I don't even need to watch it. The fact that guys are so easily distracted by stuff like this is why women will eventually take over the world. You didn't see this. Look! Boobies! - Cyndy
Cyndy - it's not so much the boobies here... - Hutch Carpenter
Ginger - you're gonna have to find that one and post it. - Hutch Carpenter
The guy sticking out his tongue at the end sort of ruins it for me. Douche. - Andrew Dobrow
Now, if I were to post a video of my girlfriend attempting to do the hula-hoop game, the responses would be quite different. I nearly wet myself when I saw her try it... and I don't mean in a good way! :-S - Tony Ruscoe
It is funny watching someone getting into it ha! - Joe Dawson (beta)
Hutch, I took your advice. And it's official: after watching about 20+ videos of dudes wiihooping, I've concluded that white guys can't hoop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... If you guys can do better, prove me wrong. - Ginger Makela
Excuse me. I need some "alone time" now. - Mitch Wagner
From the link posted above by Hao, this seems like a shameless Nintendo Wii advertisement from Tinsley Advertising company. http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/... I don't like sneaky ads. - Puneet Thapliyal
So the guy says thats his girlfriend. Based on http://www.flickr.com/photos/m..., I believe him. That his girlfriend happens to work for the same advertising company doesn't seem so damning to me. Need more proof plz. - Erica Baker
“A long-standing request - FriendFeed needs the ability to hide selected blogs, yet still allow visibility of other blogs. As of now, you either have to hide all of the blogs of a person, or not hide any of them.”
This sounds like a very useful and necessary feature - Mike Doeff
How would it be if, FriendFeed gives you list of checkboxes when you click on "Subscribe to <person>" which allows you to select items you want to subscribe to!! Afterall, If the contact is already follwed in twitter, I would not want to subscribe to his twitter feed on FF as well!! or, say I dont care what he diggs, I should be able to uncheck that item and should be done! - Jigar Mehta
Jigar, when you Hide an item, you get a message saying "See options for hiding other items like this". When you click that message, you're given the option to hide all entries from that service by that user, or all entries from that service altogether, with the option of not hiding entries that have likes or comments. Unfortunately, the "blog" category is a catch-all, and FriendFeed treats all blog feeds as the same feed for the purposes of hiding entries. - Chris Anthony
this is especially relevant as people with more than one language need otherwise to go for two accounts on friendfeed so you are not getting for example my german content. - Nicole Simon
Ontario, this feature has gotten a lot of attention and has been added to our list. - Ross Miller
Thanks for working on this. In the meantime, I have mitigated my specific issue by streaming my last.fm recently played tracks to a separate room, http://friendfeed.com/rooms/la... - Ontario Emperor
YEP... this is a good one...thanks Ontario!! :-) - Susan Beebe
@Ross, not enough yet, we'll keep workin on it ;) - Tim Hoeck
Doesn't bother me. Once the comment thread gets too large, FriendFeed hides them with the link that says "Show [N] more comments". - Hutch Carpenter
This is the worst thing about FriendFeed. I want to be able to see FriendFeed items the way +I+ want to see them. I'd love to be able to query FriendFeed's database and say something like: <<Show all items in reverse chronilogical view>><<show only items with two or more comments>>AND<<show only items with one like or more>>AND<<remove any items that have Louis Gray in them>> - Robert Scoble
@Hutch, Yes, I agree it groups too many comments and just shows first two and last three in the list! But still, that way too, I have to look at 5th comment.. and naturally my eyes goes to first comment first! There's something called Natural User Interface Design!! - Jigar Mehta
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I prefer the chronological order. It would be obnoxious to have to scroll to the bottom of a new thread and read up. That said, some customization, as Robert suggests, would be nice. - Chris Anthony
Right, if you are looking at the item for the first time, it will be somewhat odd to read comments in reverse order.. but for FF worms, the other way is good.. Anyways, Robert's suggestion is better.. FF should be flexible to let user decide how it publishes the RSS or renders the page.. - Jigar Mehta
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Mandalay Bay in Vegas - guilty as well. - Michael Pardee
All of the convention hotels near Peachtree Center in ATL charge that, and they also seem to have major downtime during cons. - Dana Franks
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most full service hotels charge that - Jeff Quinton
In Japan over the last 2 weeks, the $20-22/night hostels in Tokyo and Osaka had free WiFi. Of the 7 $150-$400 hotels, 4 charged $10-11/day for internet, 2 had free internet, and 1 had no internet. Oh...none of $150-$400 hotels had WiFi (just Ethernet), whereas the hostels had multiple networks to cover all the floors. In our first $250 hotel, couldn't even get the paid Ethernet to work in my room! - Mitchell Tsai
Some US 4* hotels offer free WiFi ONLY in the lobbies, whereas in-room internet costs $10-20/day. Occasionally I pop over to a nearby hotel lobby to leach the free internet. If I'm going to pay $10, I'd rather have a drink or appetizer in a hotel lobby with my internet :-) --- Scott: Hampton Inns also usually have free breakfast & parking. They are a good value. - Mitchell Tsai
you have obviously not seen what the european hotels charge... - Loic Le Meur
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It's a shame they charge at all... Free wifi should be the standard, included in the room rate... They don't charge separately for electricity and water either... Internet is as important as that... My hotel decisions are usually heavily influenced by free wifi or not... - Steven Pelsmaekers
Steven: How about $3-$8 water? $40-50 parking in downtown SF? - Mitchell Tsai
It's a matter of whether the hotel sees it as a draw, I suspect. The low-end hotels are willing to throw in whatever it takes to get you to pay the room rate; the high-end hotels are willing to bet that you're either used to and *expecting* to pay for everything you touch, or you're a businessperson on expense. The way to fight back is to make it a dealbreaker. "I'm sorry, I'd be staying at your hotel but you don't offer free wireless." - Chris Anthony
Steven, do you tell the hotels that you're making the decision on that criterion? They can't change the behavior if they don't know its effect. - Chris Anthony
I do admit I generally don't tell them... I figure my vote isn't likely to influence their policies, but you have a good point, of course... As for charging for parking, I see that more as charging for you for the room, and charging a 'room' for your vehicle... It makes more sense, as it is an expensive commodity, especially in bigger cities where space is at a premium (price)... The water you are referring to is bottled water, fair enough if they charge for that... I was talking about bathroom useage. - Steven Pelsmaekers
That is absurd and offensive, honestly. I'd rather pay $50 a month for wireless broadband and be anywhere I want to be. - Clay Newton
What I find funny is that all of the expensive hotels charge for internet, but stay at a cheap hotel and you get decent wireless internet for free. Rip off. - Jon Erickson
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@Everyone Do you think that the Internet has become a hotel commodity that should be free everywhere one goes like water or clean towels? - Simon
Simon: I think the current situation is ok - free some places, hotels competing, some 4* hotels doing free Internet in Lobbies only. -- US hotels will spoil you. Some places in the world are BYOTP (toilet paper) and BYOT (towels). - Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell Tsai I guess it all depends on the competition in the area as to the service provided. I find it odd that in my mind I expect to be able to access the Internet wherever I am. I guess I am spoiled by my Blackberry and widely available free wifi (all over the place here in California). - Simon
Seeing things like this really make me appreciate being able to tether my phone to a laptop and get an acceptable, temporary connection. One of the area hospitals charges $6/day for internet on their wall mounted TVs, and I thought that was ridiculous. I can't imagine paying $14/day for it. Ouch. - Bob
$14.95/Day for 8meg in StL @ my Hilton but there is free wi-fi in the public areas as well as free access to pc's, internet, and laptop stations in our business center and lobby. Yes, it is a negotiating tool with larger clients. - Mathew A. Koeneker
Most australian wifi providers charge closer to $14/hour. Normal hotel internet rates here are around $25/day. 14/day sounds excellent to me. - James Polley
I think this has less to do with how much *you* are willing to pay and a lot more to do with what your average business traveler's *company* is willing to pay to keep their employee connected. Larger hotels have connections with local conventions/seminars which businesses send employees to... the wifi in the hotel is like the popcorn in the movie theater. - jeremiah
“I read my FF messages via RSS, and while my RSS feed includes my item, I don't get a refresh or popular items, mine or anyone elses. Would it be possible to fold into the main feed, or create a seperate feed for, items that have gained lots of comments/likes/etc?”
A separate feed, I hope, or at least an opt-in addition to the main feed. Otherwise, a good idea. (I can even see someone subscribing *only* to the popular RSS.) - Chris Anthony
that wouldn't work well fiscally speaking for facebook... which itself has yet to prove profit revenue. but it sure would help twitter's tech problem. twitter is great with PR, but bad with technology and administration - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
they can acquire Twitter or Digg if they want. I just hope they don't acquire FF. - Thomas Hawk
It would help them to agglomerate further user data, as with FriendFeed especially, almost all web activity of its users could be accessed via facebook which would make them hold on to the web identity of the users. - Martin Spindler
someone should acquire Twitter some help, in a big way...B-) - Shawn L. Morrissey
um, acquisitions will only ruin good services- if facebook wants to get better, then they need to make changes to their services that reflect the leading edge of social services, so that they can get leap the gap. - Nathan Eckenrode
friendfeed makes business sense, others are just show......via feedalizr - bvs
facebook buying digg, don't see how that would help - Dobromir Hadzhiev
who knows, a few years down the line and friendfeed makes a bid on facebook!...via feedalizr - bvs
It's fascinating to see the chunks that sites break users into, though. For things like Education and Ethnicity, I can see why you'd want to granularize the demographic reporting (in other words, give people select drop-downs or radio buttons) - but why not have a text box for age, so that you're not locked into unchanging, artificial categories? It'd yield much more interesting results! (I speak, for what it's worth, as a data analyst; it's much easier to figure out age's relationship to other data when you have the actual age!) - Chris Anthony
I'm in the 65+ category. When do I start getting more phishing attacks asking for my bank info? They're still trying to sell me Cialis. - Jonathan Leavitt
It gets worse -- wait until you start getting offered the senior discounts... - Chuck Lawson
OUCH! I turn 40 this year... crap, thanks for the reminder! augh! - Susan Beebe
Chris, demographics can break you into age groups without too much of a problem. There's something that 18-25 year-olds are that 25-54 year olds aren't, or there's something that 18-49 year olds are that 50+ year olds aren't. So for the owner of the service or advertiser only really cares that you belong in one of those groups: there's no need to support any more granularity, either in the data structure for that person or in the interface. - Mark Trapp
I too turn 35 this year. I'll be bumped to the next range. - Morton Fox
What I said applies mainly to advertising value. I'm sure there are other uses for having more granularity, but most people who are asking your age are after your advertising demo. - Mark Trapp
Mark, you've answered your own question. It's not that you need the granularity for the final groupings - it's that you need the granularity to figure out what the final groupings should be! These sites are asking for broad answers like they already know the answers - but then why are they looking for demographics in the first place? (Besides which, 18-25 is, bluntly, too broad. It encompasses both the people who just graduated from high school and the people who just graduated from college... - Chris Anthony
...and those groups can have wildly different interests. "18-21" and "21-25" would be better, but then why not just ask for age and be done with it?) - Chris Anthony
I don't mean to say that the groupings don't have merit; in fact, I use age grouping all the time in my analysis. But I have the actual two-digit age available too, so that I can redefine my age groups if I need to. (Say 25-34 and 35-44 don't yield interesting results, but for some reason 20-29 and 30-39 do; or perhaps instead of grouping I want to see how incremental age affects response rates over time...) Raw age also allows the analyst to more effectively use future data without having to ask again... - Chris Anthony
...since, if I know that a person was 24 when they signed up, I can tell that they're going to be 25 a year later when they're still using the site. By asking for groupings, you lose that ability. (Actually, better yet would be to ask for birth dates, since you can derive age from that *and* send a "happy birthday" note to the user. :) - Chris Anthony
Welcome to the club! @yuvi - Thanks for rubbing it in! :) - Mike Reynolds
Chris, good points. I wonder if there are some superficial privacy reasons: people are comfortable giving an age range, but not as comfortable giving an exact age. - Mark Trapp
Your age as a user on a website is nobody else's business really if you are over 21. Most people ask for it and then do nothing with the information. - Pete Gilbert
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Pete, you may not want to give it up, but there is definite value for an advertiser and a marketer to know your age, or what age demo you're in. an 18-25 year old has completely different purchasing patterns than a 54+. - Mark Trapp
Perhaps "what age do you act?" would be more appropriate, both for marketers and consumers. - Thomas Brox Røst
Pete, that's why many data collectors have adopted an "I'd rather not say" option. (I've heard people say that doing that invalidates the data, but I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why that would be so.) If you're not comfortable giving the information, don't. Nothing's mandatory on the web. - Chris Anthony
thanks for that reminder. as if my grey hair wasn't enough. but yeah, it's about the attitude more than the age. cliche, but true. - Cee Bee
