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identica: Hao Chen posted a link
Wednesday at 2:22 pm - Link
http://identi.ca/hex . This thread works well with the little colorful balloons FF shows for comments by your friends! - Earle Martin
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identica: LouCypher posted a link
Thursday at 6:50 am - Link
It's worse than the FailWhale now - LouCypher
Yep. Artifact of the server switchover early Wed morning; it took a lot longer than I anticipated for DNS to propagate out. (If I had any idea of the potential popularity, I would have cranked down the TTL to 5 min before launching, not after!). Now, hewitt redirects to identi.ca again, so nobody should see this URL any more. - Evan Prodromou
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Aaron Brazell posted an entry on Technosailor
Thursday at 5:55 pm - Link
So, I absolutely agree that it would have been nice to have some more features and be better ready for the big onslaught than I was. But, all things considered, I'm pretty happy with how things went. The site went live, got on RWW, TechCrunch, Mashable, and Slashdot, got enthusiastic support from Dave Winer and Doc Searls, and shot to 10,000 users in 36 hours. If it wasn't @replies that were missing, it was going to be some other feature, and you just don't know which it's going to be before launch. Anyways: I appreciate your open opinion about this, and I hope that I'll be able to "fill in the gaps" on features and bugs as I've done on servers and scaling. - Evan Prodromou
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identica: Hao Chen posted a link
Thursday at 8:31 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
In today’s world, time is a luxury you don't have. Release your product too early, it’s featureless or users don’t understand it, they won’t come back. Release too late, and someone else has surely beat you to the punch. Being a web developer, I understand that it’s okay to release something that is not perfect. You want to release something that is just good enough. - Hao Chen via Bookmarklet
Um first time I tried to go, website didn't come up. - Brian Carter
It's really slow right now. Sigh. - Jason Kaneshiro
just trying to figure out which url to use...but somehow I think dreamhost will not be able to handle it - David
lol dreamhost.. - Hao Chen
I still seem to be getting a lot of problems from the web UI, but others are reporting the XMPP API is working fine. At least I know it's being worked on instead of twiddling about beers and pizza while Twome burns ;-) - exador23
it's really slow, not the best first 5min experience with a product, Open Source is the key here, hope it rolls out well - Dobromir Hadzhiev
federation is the key - Tyler
I like the federation idea... - Czar Derek Peterman
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Wednesday at 4:23 pm - Link
The advantage of this is that it supports identi.ca and other microblogging services that allow the user to subscribe to a person's microblogging messages via RSS. - possible248
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identica: Andy Roberts posted a message
yesterday at 7:19 am - Link
"indenti KAAAA" or "identik-uh" This is important. - Andy Roberts
imho, *in-dent-a-ka* - Czar Derek Peterman
I'm so easy to troll, but: PLEASE don't call it "indentica". - Evan Prodromou
Eye *den* tick a'. - Earle Martin
italian speakers pronounce ee-den-tick-a. sort of common adjective (fem.) - Opensource Obscure
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identica: Adam Helweh posted a link
23 hours ago - via Bookmarklet - Link
Identi.ca instability? - Adam Helweh via Bookmarklet
Yes. update@identi.ca is a daemon written in PHP using an alpha-level XMPP library and a platform (Laconica) less than a month old. I'm looking forward to the day when it stays operational for more than 24 hours. - Evan Prodromou
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identica: Topbit posted a link
9 hours ago - Link
the link on the post being my identi.ca RSS feed URL - Topbit
error, "We could not download the given page". http://feedvalidator.org/check..., "Undefined item element: cc:licence" I don't know... - Czar Derek Peterman
I don't think it's the validation. When I shut down the old server (after moving it several days ago), only FF and BaiduSpider were still hitting it. I think they still have old DNS info, which is why I just sent a feedback email asking that they update it. - Evan Prodromou
I cannot add my feed for the same reason as CDP - Vince DeGeorge
was having the same problem yesterday.. if someone gets it working I'd love to know - Freemor
I don't have any problems with it http://friendfeed.com/loucyphe... - LouCypher
yep, just tried it seems to work now - Freemor
looks like this issue has been resolved.. finally added without issue. - Jerry Schuman
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Corvida posted a link
Why I'd Leave Twitter - A Video Response To Robert Scoble
Thursday at 8:09 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
greeeat stuff! - "i can't get to the conversation" - yep. - jeneane sessum
I think @scobleizer's point about Twitter was how well it interfaces with FF and while not a conversation facilitator, it is a conversation starter that can be carried on over here on FF. I don't really think you'll be leaving Twitter. My hope is that we can get all of these services interoperating and stable. Twitter has an established community and I think that was also @scobleizer point. - James
@James An established community that's inaccessible the majority of the time. I shouldn't have to carry my conversations on Twitter somewhere else. - Corvida
@corvida ... Stability and reliability are the key. I think Twitter will get it right in the end. - James
has robert been able to get scobleizer back from whoever has it at indenti.ca? - Jeff Evans
You have made your point. Don't you still see potential in twitter once it gets its act together? They had not anticipated such growth so cannot totally flaw them for their constant service interruptions. - Tatenda Mbavarira
@corvida - You're absolutely right - Twitter, at least for the time being, isn't where the conversation is happening - it's happening here, on FF. Twitter still has a lot of goodwill in the community - if they get their act together, we will all jump back on the bandwagon. In the long run, I think they will get things up and running again. - Frederic
Why return to Twitter when the FriendFeed logo looks just like Twitter's? Seriously, FF is missing a few self-promotional features but other than that its functionality exceeds that of Twitter. - Terris Linenbach
@Tatenda I still see potential in Twitter now. I'm not denying that I'll be back there if and once it gets it together. Until then, it's just kind of moot for me since the conversation is inaccessible on my end. - Corvida
It will be up and running but by then everybody would have been gone - Gordon Swaby
I'm still over at twitter more often than on FF for conversations and quick updates, and think that the simplicity gives it a lot of traction - Bill Thompson via twhirl
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Dave Winer posted a message
Wednesday at 11:34 am - Link
I feel like I should hurry to get my userid on identi.ca to avoid someone else getting it. - wrecks
@wrecks same reason i suscribed... _sigh_ /rcphq for me! - Ruben Llibre
http://identi.ca/steve surprised that at least one more steve hadn't signed up. - steplow
And I could have had that, Steve, I went for iSteeve to stay consistent. Enjoy! ( I also like those one letter pages, like "S" but don't have any. - Steve Pribut
I am http://identi.ca/thomashawk Dave, are you going to use this instead of Twitter going forward or are you going to use both? - Thomas Hawk
Somebody already grabbed Scoblizer over there, and it's not Robert :) - Scott Westerman
Comcast concerns? We're over at identi.ca now, too. http://identi.ca/comcastscott - Scott Westerman
I'm http://identi.ca/holgereilhard - Anyone got scobleizer yet? ;) - Holger Eilhard
Just secured "tad" w00t - Tad Donaghe via fftogo
/gezd I could have gone for just gez but that was gone when I joined twitter and it's easier to keep things consistent. - Gez
Dave, try the feed without the all to get only your notices: http://identi.ca/dave/rss - Nikos Anagnostou
YEP, it's another twitter copy, but hey at least it doesn't look retarded or crash! - Susan Beebe
I think therefore I am http://identi.ca/gbatuyong ...looks like it's time to find larger profile images gah! Gravatar pics are too small - Glenn Batuyong via twhirl
just what everyone needs, another twitter clone. then we can all talk endlessly about twitter vs friendfeed vs identi.cal ... yay! - Stuart Forsyth via twhirl
http://identi.ca/barbara - just like "dave" I am "barbara" - nice. - Barbara K. Baker
I am Sparticus. - Chris Baskind
I am http://identi.ca/danyork - I also posted my views on the importance of identi.ca vs Twitter at: http://www.disruptiveconversat... - Dan York
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directeur posted a message
Wednesday at 3:05 pm - via NoiseRiver - Link
/rcphq - Ruben Llibre via twhirl
http://identi.ca/justinkorn - though I don't see myself using it much - Justin Korn
I am... not signing up to another service for a while. - Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: I admire your courage. - Russellreno
Jeremy - probably a smart move. - Justin Korn
It'll FAIL - My prediction. - directeur via NoiseRiver
directeur: Not if we all keep talking about it (okay, that's my last comment here) - Justin Korn
Justin: That's EXACTLY why it will fail ;-) - directeur via NoiseRiver
directeur, even if it does fail, the code and decentralized service may live on. Any one can grab that code now and host their own service...and they'll all talk to one another. It's liberation day for Microblogging. - Duncan Riley
Duncan: I'm sorry but I don't think so. I haven't studied their code really yet. But do they provide any kind of synchronization betweentwo copies of Laconias. I think their Xmpp is just for talking to one instance of laconia (I think) I mean, I don't think it's that "easy". I may be wrong of course, that was a prediction. I'll study the code :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
@directeur.. you can reshare this thread to room #identica - Naor
I am http://identi.ca/shiva. Another twitter like service?! hmmm.. I wonder if they can scale?! - Shivanand Velmurugan
How is this different, better, and more reliable than the services that already exist? - Kimberly J
I am making a conscious, direct effort to make sure that I don't accidentally click on an identi.ca link. Hope I suceed. - Yuvi
this is odd, identi.ca resolved to http://hewitt.controlezvous.ca after I tried to login with my openid, anyone else saw this besides me? - Bob Ngu via twhirl
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identica: Ansgar Wollnik posted a message
Wednesday at 2:26 pm - Link
Give us time! This was a big traffic day, we're just scaling up. - Evan Prodromou
Evan, what kind of hardware platform is below the surface? Did you know there is a great offering from SUN Microsystems for Web2.0 startups...? - Ansgar Wollnik
Running the numbers: 4300+ new users in last 12 hours, 9400+ posts in the same time period. http://identi.ca/notice/9569 - Mona N
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identica: Adam Helweh posted a message
Wednesday at 2:41 pm - Link
All your posts on Twitter get posted around without your permission anyways. At least this way, you get a say in the matter. The real reason: I believe in Open Services, and they require Open Data. See http://opendefinition.org/osd - Evan Prodromou
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identica: Benjamin Kudria posted a message
Wednesday at 2:23 pm - Link
Waiting for documentation on http://laconi.ca/ - Hao Chen
Suppose you have an account on server A and you want to follow somebody who created an account on server B. You can subscribe to the remote user, and your server (A) will contact server B to set up a remote sub. After that when the user on server B posts an item, it's also posted back to your server. Sync/decentralization is handled on a user-by-user basis. - Ken Sheppardson
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identica: Alan Le posted a link
Wednesday at 2:43 pm - Link
Damn! I was just going to sign up with the username "Alan Le"! - Adam Helweh
Yup - if it should take off you want to make sure you've got your bases covered ;) - Colin Walker
It's not just another Twitter wannabe -- it's a THOUSAND Twitter wannabes! - Evan Prodromou
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identica: Hao Chen posted a message
Wednesday at 2:53 pm - Link
Wrong, it does send an email "Alan Wood (folknology) is now listening to your notices on Identi.ca." - Andy Roberts
And there doesn't seem to be a way to turn it off. Arrrrgh! - Dave Winer
I don't get any...but I also registered with OpenID. - Hao Chen
I was asked for an email address twice i think - Andy Roberts
@bitfaker, you should get an email, "user is now listening to your notices on Identi.ca" - Czar Derek Peterman
You should get an email. - Evan Prodromou
oh, duh. can someone pls email me a gmail invite - Hao Chen
oops, read that as, "you should get an email address." - Hao Chen
My Gmail notifies:) - Igor Poltavskiy
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identica: Glenn Slaven posted a message
Wednesday at 3:03 pm - Link
You have to add the bot to your list first, and then input your jabber id. In that order. - Bwana McCall
Actually, I did it in the other order, and it worked for me! - Benjamin Kudria
Bingo, thanks Bwana. - Glenn Slaven
You have to add it to your list FIRST for GTalk. All other Jabber servers are fine in either order. - Evan Prodromou
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identica: directeur posted a message
Wednesday at 5:30 pm - via NoiseRiver - Link
Can you please tell me? - directeur via NoiseRiver
Well, I think quantum mechanics says no. ;-) Or do you mean does the administrator of one instance have a view of all other instances? - Ken Sheppardson
Hooray for quantums :) Seriously. When I'm user "John" of instance "A" do I have the same view that my friend "Fred" has on the instance "B" he's using? - directeur via NoiseRiver
Ah. Right. First question I want answered too. Anybody have the source? - Ken Sheppardson
btw Bwana: the thread was about distribution ;-) --just kidding :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
laconi.ca is dead for me. times out. Mirror somewhere perhaps? - Ken Sheppardson
Aha! here we come! how will these mirrors sync? - directeur via NoiseRiver
Pfft. Gnip of course. ;-) Joke. XMPP one would hope. BTW, found another route to laconi.ca. - Ken Sheppardson
you are a nut directeur. :) I grabbed it just fine Ken... I put it on drop.io for you http://drop.io/xu32ske - Bwana McCall
directeur, based on Marshall's note (http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar... see the "Federated" section) he says it will be a true federated database. I think these details will come to light in the next few days. - Bwana McCall
Bwana: You started! :) Seriously, I'm still wondering how the mirrors will sync. their XMPP if I understand well is just for communicating with one mirror. - directeur via NoiseRiver
A lot of us are wondering. It's easy to get excited about it if it works as written. If you are right however, we still have an opportunity to contribute fixes to the project which may or may not help reach true federation. Open source is cool that way. - Bwana McCall
Given the disdain for PHP, I already know it's going to be ported to something else. I would imagine some smart minds (yours included) will pick it apart in order to reach federation from the architecture's perspective - Bwana McCall
Bwana; Of course I'll help if I can. Now I'm starting to study the thing actually and I'm in the wondering-phase. If I pass this phase successfully, I'll be in the "Aha!" phase, then in the "Woha" one, and finally in the "Lemme try" one. But now, I really want to see two copies sync. WITHOUT the implication of identi.ca (because when it'll be down, we will cry) - directeur via NoiseRiver
"Given the disdain for PHP"? Can't we all just get along? - Ken Sheppardson
Just noticed that Johnathan Snook asked almsot the same question: http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Ken, I'm just saying what I see lol. Lot of people don' tlike PHP and claim it can't scale. If it were python, I'm sure there will be haters on that end as well :) - Bwana McCall
Exactly. There will always be haters. I'm an old time Perl/PHP guy so I sorta lucked out in that it's easy to ingest (looking at the source right now), but I'm not going to get all defensive (or offensive, for that matter) about the language choice. - Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Ken. I'm like you an old guy used to many languages (though I LOVE python) THE question is about the "algorithms", the idea, the architecture - directeur via NoiseRiver
So... spent some time in the source and the OpenMicroBlogging spec, and it looks like the answer is no. On first reading, it appears that you can either subscribe to the feed of a user on your home/local instance (e.g. identi.ca) or to "remote" users on other instances. If you subscribe, individual updates are passed between the two Laconica instances...or any two servers that speak OpenMicroBlogging protocol, and the remote users's updates appear in your stream just as a local user's update would. - Ken Sheppardson
Ok, so what if one node fails? Ok, say we have a whole network of nodes that do the same thing. Now comes the question of propagation: Should node "A" notify all the nodes of the network of any change? (message/subscription)? If it's the case, then the nodes will spend their time in notifying each one other of a single message, while it was supposed to have a continious flow of updates... This WILL be hot :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
If a node goes down, it appears everyone local to that node loses their service. The interserver protocol doesn't define any error handling, other than to say "The local service makes no guarantees about the delivery of the notice to anyone." Everybody's basically on their own little Twitter clone server...they just happen to be exchanging messages. Looks like it's pretty much a direct mapping of the email server paradigm...with a much less robust protocol and no store-forward accommodation. - Ken Sheppardson
So finally, emails, phone calls or simply good ol' mails are more reliable Ken? - directeur via NoiseRiver
Let me make sure I follow you. The nodes exchange messages, but lack proper error handling in the event of a failure? - Bwana McCall
Not completely related, but PHP can totally scale. You just have to be smart about it. - possible248
Right, Bwana. When somebody on a remote server wants to follow you, their server sends yours a subscription request. Subsequently, when you enter a message, your local server tries to post it to any remote servers on which you have followers. It's up to your local server to handle situations where the connection times out or otherwise flakes. - Ken Sheppardson
Caveat: this is a pretty superficial analysis. If anybody with more experience offers a different explanation, I'll defer to them (fold) immediately. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson
No. The only messages that move between A and B are those between users who subscribe to each other. They don't bounce over to C and X and Z. - Evan Prodromou
Evan is the author of identica guys - Bwana McCall
Evan: Thanks for the feedback. Tell me please: What if "A" is down? How can we "broadcast" the same message for say 20.000 followers over say 5000 nodes? - directeur via NoiseRiver
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identica: Ken Sheppardson posted a message
Wednesday at 8:48 pm - Link
That sounds pretty hypocritical, doesn't it? There's the whole eat-your-dogfood thing, and I'm not going to crap on other peoples' services right on their own sites. Please! If you'd like to talk to me, @evan on identi.ca. - Evan Prodromou
Sorry, Evan. I'll take my questions over there. Wasn't expecting you to "crap on" anything. Just thought you and yours might be using more than one service. - Ken Sheppardson