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Cliqset and Status.net Support Salmon Protocol for Comments Migration - http://blog.louisgray.com/2010...
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- Vezquex
@Raphael see http://cliqset.com/user... it's on my replies page here: http://evan.status.net/replies you may need to scroll back a page or two to see it.
- Evan Prodromou
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
HealingBrush, Chris Martin, lolise and 149 other people liked this
I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- JCunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
:(
- Sinem Co
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow
- Rodfather
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonSupermurray
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- Antoniu
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- MugeCerman
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonSupermurray
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- JCunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- JCunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- JCunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- JCunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Boyd
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
The aftermath
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Oh my. Aftermath to what with whom?
- Louis Gray
Hah--just imagine what the "in progress" part looked like.
- Kathy Fitch
That was some honeymoon!
- Anne Bouey
so thats where i left my oj, ;)
- chaz2b
Heh :) This wasn't the honeymoon; it was a party we went to last night.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Now imagine cleaning up this mess :)
- Bindu Reddy
Heh heh, TechCrunch links to this and suggests it was the FF/FB post-deal celebration party. Maybe so...
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
and now we know..
- Riaz Kanani
This party had nothing to do with the deal, and the party's hosts are not affiliated with FF or FB.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Thanks Tudor! I thought the timing was off. Louis, time to update your post!
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
FF/FB bash or not still looks like a great party
- India Sphere
Stephen. I'll leave it up wrong. :)
- Louis Gray
I think I've seen this pic before.....where?
- bill spinks
Bill: both TechCrunch and Louis Gray linked to this photo speculating (wrongly) that the party was a celebration of Facebook's acquisition of FriendFeed; this may be where you saw it.
- Tudor Bosman
Does Facebook have an open bar?
- Jack Norris
Tudor, do you want me to change it? :) (BTW - I removed that sentence)
- Louis Gray
omg!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Spaten Beer? Are you kidding me? After Jägermeister is this the newest hip drink from Germany you guys are drinking in the States? :-)
- Till
Would be interesting to try and restart some DemoCamp / BarCamp Montreal activities for September
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@evan Confirm. Manually forcing #friendfeed to get my !identica account now shows new entries in /services. Thanks!
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Good!
- Evan Prodromou
@evan Bad: Group links eg !identica are not active links in #friendfeed. Hashtags are linked: #RSS problem?
- Markus Merz
It's a problem, but not a new one.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Posted to #FF feedback group: http://ff.im/5PN6K / Fwd: #Identica #Laconica Issue: Group links eg !identica are not active links in #friendfeed. Hashtags are linked to #FriendFeed search. Why not support the full featured #RSS feed as an option? http://ff.im/5PKCK (über http://ff.im/5PN6K)
- Markus Merz
thought I should share it with the twitter audience “The twitter vs. friendfeed rivalry: getting catty! - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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@dustin I've also run into the account lockout "feature" on twitter, where if anything hits with the wrong password N times, everything goes
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Twitter is not micro-blogging - http://www.johndcook.com/blog...
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I'm working on an event about the real-time web for mid-January. Who should be on stage? I'll discuss here:
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Will be in San Francisco. Will be a tweetup/friendfeed meetup. Will be a panel discussion among leaders in the real-time web.
- Robert Scoble
People I want:
- Robert Scoble
Define "real-time web" ?
- directeur
Evan Williams of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bret/Paul/Sanjeev of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Joseph Smarr of Plaxo.
- Robert Scoble
Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds great. Perhaps a trip up north is in order :)
- Mark Krynsky
Louis Gray.
- Robert Scoble
Bret Taylor - never saw him on stage, should be interesting.
- Orli Yakuel
Who else?
- Robert Scoble
Steve Gillmor - real time web evangelist :)
- Karoli
Sounds really cool Robert... Wish I was closer to attend!
- Ben Hedrington
directeur: you're using the real-time web here. So is twitter.
- Robert Scoble
No one should be on stage. It should be a live web cast.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Loic Le Meur of Twhirl/Seesmic (or his CTO, actually).
- Robert Scoble
Evan P - Identi.ca/Laconica
- Karoli
Well, it will be a physical event that'll be live on web. Steve Gillmor and Tim O'Reilly are good ideas.
- Robert Scoble
1938media :)
- Ramkarthik
Perhaps John McCrea, David Recordon, Beach, Stowe Boyd thinking of others.
- Mark Krynsky
Louis Gray, GuyK, You, Dave Winer, David Weinberger, Doc Searles, Marc Canter, Chris Brogan, Fred Wilson, Susan Beebe, Hugh MacLeod, Loic Le Meur, Leo Laporte, Wayne Sutton, Thomas Hawk, Laura Fitton, Howard Rheingold and the ever loving Michael Arrington.
- Thomas Power
Karoli: Evan P of Identi.ca would be good, yes. This will be in San Francisco on January 21st.
- Robert Scoble
the guys from Tweetdeck. it seems they know what they're doing.
- Orli Yakuel
Dan Rose of Facebook
- Bill Romanos
Mark: David Recordon is a must have, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Someone from Twitterspy. Someone from Tumblr. Someone from Disqus or IntenseDebate.
- AJ Kohn
Guy Kawasaki
- Susan Beebe
Oh oh pick me!
- Photar
Guy Kawasaki
- Bill Romanos
Bill: Guy would be awesome, he certainly sees the marketing potential of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
The head of Obama's Internet-campaigning team and their government on the internet initiative.
- Bill Romanos
Bill: I seriously doubt anyone from Obama's team will be available that week. But one can dream! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like a great event. Wondering if you'd be interested in getting a twitter tattoo for charity, Robert? Let's say, at the upcoming first-ever SF Twestival? We could webcast that! And take donations via twitter for WaterCharity.org while we do it! Big announcement on Monday, by the way but keep your calendar free Janary 22nd...
- alison potvin
The Tweettree developers
- Michael Fidler
john: Leah Culver would be great, she now works at Six Apart.
- Robert Scoble
Dave Winer, Steve Rubel.
- AJ Kohn
alison I don't do tatoos.
- Robert Scoble
Jeez, what's with all the A-listers? How about people who are really down in the muck making things work? I nominate Eric Marcoullier, founder of Gnip.
- Carter ♥ HTML5
If you offer some broccoli, I bet Dave Winer would show up ;-)
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
What about AP or Reuters?
- Andrew Smith
Carter: awesome suggestion. That's why I did this so I would make sure that I actually have people who matter, not just the stars.
- Robert Scoble
How about the creators of Second Life? Lots forecasts that virtual-spaces will continue to grow.
- Bill Romanos
Great idea robert, Wonder if Eric Schmidt would considering attending? Or maybe Sergie?
- John McBride
from Alert Thingy
I'd seriously pick me. I'm awesome.
- Photar
Gnip folks for sure... Would love to meet folks who could take my experiments retweetradar.com and spy.appspot.com to the next level.
- Ben Hedrington
Bill: have you seen ANYTHING about second life here or on Twitter lately? I haven't. Until I do that's a separate event. John: Eric and Sergei would be fun but I don't think would really add to this conversation. I'll probably see them for something in Davos a week later though.
- Robert Scoble
Dustin Stallings for Twitterspy: http://github.com/dustin...
- AJ Kohn
Good question to ponder...as a relative newbie to this stuff, i'll do some research and volunteer a POV if called. Lots to digest in SM, for an ADD type, can be a stretch...
- Gregg
Since this is about the real time web only comments in the first 20 minutes count right? ;)
- Ben Hedrington
George Dearing
- Chris Geier
Mr Scoble - Jason Goldberg of Social Median - just acquired by Xing, came into the space and added enhancements to the site very fast.
- shayne catrett
Haven't seen anything on Second-Life. You're right. It may be a separate conf. But real-time collaboration could be an issue for your conference. See this link and click on the first link. [real-time collaborative spaces in intelligence community (A-SpaceX), etc. Again, it may be a bit off in the future or another conf. but check this out.: http://www.google.com/search...
- Bill Romanos
shayne: oh, yeah, jason definitely should be there. So should Drew Olanoff of strands.
- Robert Scoble
Julie: I'd rather the VC types be a separate event. But I'd love to have Fred, Albert, Esther, and others in this space there.
- Robert Scoble
Real time Web event! Sounds great. Let me think about the players Robert.
- Drew Lucas
I'll second Laura Fitton, and add Jyri Engström and Chris Messina - I'd love to come along too; we haven't had a chat in a while.
- Kevin Marks
John Doerr
- Bill Romanos
How about somebody from the CIA? I thought about realtime when reading Suskind's book, The One-Percent Doctrine, where he describes how they first tapped into credit card info, but that was after the fact. They started getting somewhere with Al Quaeda money networks when they were able to dip into Western Union wire transfer and know when a cash transaction was in process... meet the recipient on the other end, bam.
- Amyloo
Kevin Marks: oh, yeah, I'm totally missing someone from Google on this. Good point!
- Robert Scoble
Amyloo some technology that was originally developed for the CIA will make it to the consumer space in 2009. But CIA stuff is outside the scope here. It would be very cool to get a demo of what they are doing, but they'd never show it in public. I think it's more likely to get an interview with Steve Jobs.
- Robert Scoble
Also, what about the rep from Obama camp that Tim OReilly alluded to in your part2 interview with Tim. Wish I could be there! This is what my Vision is about...agenda item: White Space utilization...Wi-Fi on steroids....@bcultral I am a Community Organizer :)
- bcultral
I like Amyloo's idea the best! If anyone can do it, the Scobelizer can.
- Web Pixie
Kevin Kelly? Or how about somebody on the Ops side of the house, or GE CIO Gary Reiner, or an "internet of things" expert from UPS or FedEx
- Tom Funk
Robert, nope, they'd never come. But what really struck me about the CIA terrorist tracking practices was that it's such a great parallel to what stevegillmor has been trying to get across about track being post-data mining -- about catching people in the act being so much more valuable for marketers/governments than hearing about what the users/voters/marks did x hours or days later.
- Amyloo
Cory: most people have no clue what the real time web is. They barely have heard of Twitter. They might be on facebook but don't see that as real time yet and facebook isn't quite the web yet either thanks to its walled garden. I'd rather have a panel to talk about where these systems are going in 2009 first. Then a separate one where we talk about the marketing impact of these things with companies like Ford and Zappos. That's where that discussion would fit better.
- Robert Scoble
We may be nobodies but we are living a plan. My Architect for my Design SpokenWord.Tv Anton Prakash (he is doing big things with Kerner.com) @ephrontech me:@bcultral
- bcultral
Be kind of interesting to run the panel over Twitter.
- hadleystern
Definitely Guy. I loved your interview with him on Fast Company TV.
- Shaun Haney
Besides me? Are you moderating? Is there still bad blood between you and @TechCrunch? What's your goal? Just asking 25000 different people is going to get you roughly 25000 different names.... I liked the panel you had @Le Web.... Did someone already say @gapingvoid?
- Mike Shields
George Bush... he'll have time :)
- Marco Massarotto
Mike: bad blood? We fight like brothers. Goal? 2009 is when the real time web really takes off. So, I want to hear what's coming next. Whether Steve Gillmor will get his track. How these islands will interroperate. Etc. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
Cory You've got a good point.
- alison potvin
Dustin Sallings, author of TWITSpy, Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, Evan Prodromeu - many of the people that were at BearHug Camp should be speaking. IMO they're the pioneers in this space. Then of course, FriendFeed, and Alex Payne from Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I agree on David Recordon - I would suggest him, and perhaps Mullenweg. The blogging space will be entering real time shortly as well. I would suggest Alex Payne over Evan Williams though - Alex understand the technology much better. Evan is all business speak, and really doesn't understand what's going on underneath.
- Jesse Stay
Clay Shirky is a good choice.
- Jorge Carvalho
I would definitely love to be involved with this.
- drew olanoff
These guys are as "Real Time" as anything I've seen. http://www.esession.com/home...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
So Robert, where can you point us to for date, location, and other updates? An Upcoming stub perhaps?
- Mark Krynsky
How about Andrew Rosenthal or any of the NT folks behind the new "Instant" op-eds: http://tinyurl.com/4uxytv launching Monday
- Perry Hewitt
zaw thet from 4info.net @zawthet
- Tim Connors
Gary Vaynerchuk from WineLibrary.TV.
- Travis Lusk
I can't be there; already committed for Microblogging Camp in Hamburg: http://www.mbc09.de/
- Evan Prodromou
I don't think you've explained your goals (or maybe even what "real time web" is) for everyone here to understand. Some of the suggestions make no sense (Gary V?) but I think it's cos not everyone here understands well enough what you're trying to organize
- Ben Metcalfe
For variety - Include more immersive experiences as a representation of the real time web (a la Second Life and WOW et al.) perhaps some of the MMORG folks. Elon Lee at Fourth Wall Productions is a good idea....
- Joshua-Michele Ross
Oh, and my initial comment is also "not the same old people". No disrespect to anyone in particular but the you could assemble most of those people and have them talk about anything to do with the internet right now -- does that mean they're the thought leaders in real-time web? BUT then I wonder who is? Maybe the thought leaders really are just the same herd of people, and it's just that they're smart enough to start jumping onto the next meme for them to lead. But I'd like to see new people too...
- Ben Metcalfe
Sounds like fun! Would be great to hear from one of the Gnip guys about how their infrastructure tech will make the web more real time.
- David Recordon
Alan Levy of Blogtalkradio.com :)
- Amy Domestico
Gaia Online folks - very interesting. From an asia perspective second life is a case study in what not to do. Also Tobin Lent from Punch Entertainment first mobile-online cross platform socializing network
- William Bao Bean
@scobleizer Mid January may be tough for me but would love to try to make it.
- Jason Goldberg
Not very sure what do you exactly mean by RT web, but if it is what I think of, I would suggest looking into some XMPP guys, some Adobe people, maybe Gnip also. I'd also suggest bringing tech guys and not biz cause even if this will impact biz it is imo a tech topic.
- Alex Popescu
Make sure you branch out from just the west coast / bay area crowd. There's lots of cool stuff happening in the rest of the world... Also, we'd be happy to have someone from HubSpot share some of the data from Twitter Grader and our State of the Twittersphere report.
- Mike Volpe
Does this event have an URL yet?
- Evan Prodromou
Why is the Sky Blue? | Savage Chickens - http://www.savagechickens.com/2008...
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Sky Gnomes FTW! hahahahaa!
- Susan Beebe
OpenGoo: An Open Source Web Office - http://opengoo.org/
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"OpenGoo is an Open Source Web Office. It is a complete solution for every organization to create, collaborate, share and publish all its internal and external documents."
- Chris Messina
from Mento
Off to try!!!
- FFing Enigma
Here's the link to the demo: http://demo.opengoo.org
- imabonehead
nice icons. have you tried it Chris?
- Vicarbott
There's a demo for you to try it yourself. In case there's any confusion, this is a self-hosted solution
- FFing Enigma
Also of note: there's currently no spreadsheet capability. Boo =(
- FFing Enigma
Nice! Looking forward to hosting and trying it. Quick spin on demo seemed promising.
- Micah
Blogpost - "Second open textbook virtual meeting, 27th October": http://blog.okfn.org/2008...
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Blogpost - "Third COMMUNIA Workshop - Marking the public domain": http://blog.okfn.org/2008...
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the T-Mobile G1 — nice phone, but not totally open - http://www.oblomovka.com/wp...
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If you believe the only people that matter in social media are the a-listers, you're wrong. That's like believing the best and most talented musicians are the ones found on commercial radio. Chances are, there are hundreds of more talented people undiscovered in the underground.
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What's funny is that if you went outside of the social media circle, nobody knows who the A listers are. It's very strange.
- Patricia
I don't think it's odd/strange that people don't know - i think it's odd/strange that people don't realize how insignificant many of the a listers are outside of the small circle in the business. The world is a big place!
- Patricia
Very true, I was demonstrating Qik to some people in tech PR over the summer and they'd never heard of Robert Scoble. Very odd.
- Martin Bryant
Well said. A-listers can be important if they have important things to say, but the popularity of a personality is no guarantee of the truth or relevance of ideas. Bad ideas spread just as easily as good ones, perhaps more so when entropy's factored into the equation. The desire to be an A-lister is a remnant from the last century. The good thing about the web: it's possible to discover those hidden troves of talent and bring them into the light. That's the work of a true A-lister.
- phil baumann
Many good points. I especially like Phil's "the popularity of a personality is no guarantee of the truth or relevance of ideas"
- Jennifer Leggio
@jennifer me too. especially now since "popularity' can be fabricated so easily.
- Patricia
which is why I love promoting indie artists on my internet radio station. A whole wealth of relatively unheard talent. Major label artists aren't necessarily any more talented than indie ones, just had a break, or some record company exec thinks they can profit - the major labels aren't interested in the music anyway.
- Ian May
sadly, I encounter all too often that a very good voice will struggle to get any eyeballs because of things like going against the grain etc. For all of the nets capacity to be the great equaliser, it still suffers from the same flaw as everything else - human nature.
- alphaxion
A good point indeed. A-List status does infer a certain set of skills and talents as well as some charisma but too often folks confuse that with authority of deep knowledge. For instance "Twit" is fun and entertaining, but if you are counting on Leo for accurate technical info you are in deep trouble.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Why does this topic keep coming up? Seems like every week we see some variation of 'the A-List is dead!' Honestly, if it weren't for posts slamming the A-List, I doubt anyone would think about it anymore.
- Akiva
@soulhuntre, lots of examples of a listers these days with zero talent and skills (not referencing social media, just overall). today, A list is all about who's willing to push themselves in front of others than work their way there. :)
- Patricia
Regards A-listers. Isn't it true in most circles that very few people outside of that circle or interest in that circle know those in it? For example, I take not the slightest interest in fashion, and have heard of most of the people that my wife will sometimes mention. She looks at me incredulously and says "You've never heard of THEM?"
- Ian May
@ian, A listers in fashion are usually designers unless you work in the business. I think it's a really different comparison. Designers aren't influencing business choices.
- Patricia
How many people know who Walt Mossberg is? He's the most powerful person in the tech press and I bet that 98% of Americans would have no clue who he is. He can move entire markets.
- Robert Scoble
@robert scoble, lots of people do. he's a major reporter for the WSJ. The post is about social media. Walt is not a social media A lister. he's a general tech writer who has been in the business since i was a kid.
- Patricia
I think everyone is a star on friendfeed
- Kyle Weller
Patricia: lots of people do know who he is, right. But most do not. So, finding someone who doesn't know who he is isn't evidence of anything.
- Robert Scoble
I have my own A list for tech bloggers, and it often doesn't match posted lists. But I'd also like to know who are the other A list-type bloggers. The most influential social-issues bloggers, the lifestyle bloggers, the philosophical bloggers. My interests aren't limited to tech.
- Jack&Cleo
Patricia: exactly. But in Social Media these same influence circles exist. Louis Gray can get me to see a new company or product. Someone who isn't as well known would have a tougher time.
- Robert Scoble
It is best to keep an open mind an decide for yourself who is important for you! It does take some work and time to discern the difference in people.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Jack: just search Google for the topic you are interested in and add the word "blogger." Google is the ultimate keeper of the "A list."
- Robert Scoble
I agree. I'm a nobody, but I'm freaking awesome. Check my feed. It's true!
- Derrick
For instance, looking for blogs about philosophy? Search Google for this: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, how is that different/better than doing a Google Blog Search?... http://www.google.com/blogsea... ...Doing a regular search, results vary considerably depending on whether you append blog, blogs, blogger, bloggers.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Thanks, Robert. Now why didn't I think of that? ;)
- Jack&Cleo
Patricia: to me the A list isn't about influence, it's about access. We can all influence. Not everyone can get into Google press conferences, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Patricia: I don't always have clarity of thought but I do always have lots of friends on FriendFeed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Patricia, McCain should have chose you as a running mate, you sure know how to talk! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@robert, and as my pr has said i'm a big fan. @igor, i'm honored you've noticed. i know you don't pick on just anybody :)
- Patricia
Wow, Robert showing his human side! +1
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
nicely put. noone knows who will be the influencers that will matter next/soon.
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
I think what the social media tools do is create pockets of A-listers for many different interests. There are a handful in computer security. There are no big-time-A-Listers for all subjects as hollywood would like because there's no money in marketing the heck out of people. It also helps equate a bit of knowledge or experience with A-list status and keeps people's "expert" status confined to particular areas of expertise. No more actors being "experts" on politics, international relations, & the economy!
- Chris Tobkin
Wow. A lot of interesting comments (though no one ever declared the a-list dead...). Robert, thanks for chiming in. I agree with your point about Mossberg. Most consumers have no idea how much he influences what they do. Same can be said for some social industry pundits. But there are a heck of a lot more voices out there that people should be hearing in addition to a-listers -- and I'm tired of hearing "so-and-so said this but I haven't seen (insert a-lister) say anything about it yet so I'll wait."
- Jennifer Leggio
Interesting, I went on to TwitThat and checked on the Most Read Tweets column and none of them was in English. I think all people are important within narrowly defined fields, including that of social media, but are not universally "important" people. There's a huge world outside there that doesn't even read English language Tweets...who are their A-listers, I wonder.
- Liz
In the end, what this discussion really sums up to is that our society is not our technology. The tools we think connect us only serve as longer arms to to tap our shoulders with. No matter how easy communication becomes, if the culture doesn't improve, we'll always go back to our own club houses and erect our own pop star which are like the nodes within our own fictional country/society. In the end, I think saying A listers don't matter is just as irrelevant as saying A listers matter.
- Fake Name
Truth is the answer to the question won't really benefit the non-A-listers nor would they hurt the A listers. It's what some called fictional reality. It will always exists as long as the same people from the same culture interact with the same kinds of society.
- Fake Name
The key for those bothered will always be in a new structure, not a "pat on the back" motivation even though some might trudge on further. One cannot expect democracy to flourish under monarchy no matter how possible it is for people to have a vote underneath it.
- Fake Name
I was mentioned on C-SPAN2 during the RNC--does that make me an A-lister? ;P
- thepete
evan: Looking for a sysadmin for Identi.ca - http://identi.ca/notice/751790
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I want identi.ca support in friendfeed. Press "Like" if you want it too. - http://identi.ca/splitbrain
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- Hao Chen
Talk about bring an item back from the dead, Hao!
- Aaron Myers
:P
- Hao Chen
Bump to promote support of replying via identi.ca just like with Twitter replies.
- xero
Bump again to promote dupe detection between Twitter and identi.ca
- Cesar Cardoso
Ability to reply and the ability to detect duplicate microblogging posts in general, DO WANT.
- dgw
Yes, dedupe Twitter and Identi.ca! I want to keep supporting Identi.ca but been contemplating removing it because of the dupes.
- Oliver Ortega Chua
Am I missing something? identi.ca is already supported. Dupe-detecting for micro-blogs is needed.
- Kol Tregaskes
also gained HTML XMPP messages (‘@user’ elements are now active links)
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So they made an update for that IDK that
- Victor
Twitter Implements Threaded Comments, Sort Of - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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A note in the comments says this now works on Identi.ca as well
- Louis Gray
Louis, awesome! FriendFeed has some serious competition now - while these sites don't aggregate, I know a lot of people that use FriendFeed because of the conversation as a primary reason.
- Jesse Stay
I guess we'll see how clients design their use of this feature. In my case, I've found the Twhirl FriendFeed support hard to follow/use, I think, mostly due to how the thread is being re-displayed often. It would be cool if there was a view mode that just shows the updates in reverse order (as twitter works today) but have a button that expands that post (maybe in another floating window) with the rest of the thread around it. Something like that might make it more usable.
- Gus Perez
Gus, I agree - I hate the Twhirl UI for FriendFeed. I wish it could be done in a little better manner. The other difference is the Twitter API enables completely recursive comments, which means you can comment on other comments, and that could be infinite. Interesting problem for clients like Twhirl...
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Like it,good Twitter's move
- Igor Poltavskiy
I'd really like to see them add a in_reply_to_status_id.network as well so I can specify not only the id it's in reply to, but the network it came from. Microblogging is much bigger than Twitter - these services should talk to each other. Twitter will never do it though.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
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yeah, can't wait to have this live at identi.ca
- Andreas Gohr
With Threaded Replies, Do We Really Need the ‘@’? | Stay N' Alive - http://staynalive.com/article...
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Laconica’s Not the Only Cool Kid In Town - Introducing OpenMicroblogger - http://staynalive.com/article...
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Was there some kind of sale at Costco on "build a microblogging platform with PHP and MySQL/Postgres?
- Cyndy
This isn't just that though Cyndy - his is also Federated, works with other Laconi.ca services (although it's not based on Laconi.ca), and he supports the Wordpress plugin and theme formats. His, in many ways is more extendible than Laconi.ca and will be more popular implementing amongst a more mainstream audience.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, see my previous commentary on the idea of a federated messaging system.
- Cyndy
Where is that Cyndy?
- Brad Nickel
Jesse, I take it you don't like any of the services that work on Twitter, since they won't work with a federated set of services... Also get ready to add spam filtering since it will be just like email... Oh, and do any of these support anything other than point-to-point federation? This whole idea is full of fail.
- Jason Carreira
Brad, everywhere. ;)
- Cyndy
What's next ... I'm all messaged out!
- Charlie Anzman
THANK YOU JASON! Jesse, SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP ABOUT IDENTI.CA.
- Andrew Feinberg
Uh, this wasn't about identi.ca Andrew
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Jason, see my latest post on Louis Gray - I also run a service that supports Twitter so no I don't hate them.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
it's not identi.ca that Jesse's trying to explain to everybody. it's the spec. the fact that Evan P posted the spec weeks before his implementation is an example of an uncommon kind of selflessness, harkening back to the old days when things like gopher were being supplanted by more user-friendly protocols. and regarding spam, you only receive messages from those you subscribe to.
- Brian Hendrickson
Brian, thanks - you hit the nail on the head. Even Twitter could implement this themselves if they want to. The spec is powerful, and the fact that people are sharing their code that implements this spec so others can use it is profound.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Yeah, it's a bad spec for microblogging. It's a poor architecture for the requirements. Trying to compensate for the wrong architecture is what Twitter's been doing, and it doesn't work long term.
- Jason Carreira
@Brian, who manages subscriptions?
- Jason Carreira
Jason, that's because you have your own spec, isn't it? I'm sure Evan would be open to your input and contribution if you offered.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse, I saw your post on threaded comments... is that what you meant to point me to? As to Twitter services, explain to me how a search like Summize or TweetScan, or a visualization app like Twittervision, or any of the other interesting services built on Twitter will work with a federated system... simple answer, they won't.
- Jason Carreira
@Jesse, no I'm building my own app that can actually scale to handle millions of users in one system plus provide all of the aggregated data of a single system and provide for interesting business models to make money, both for my company and 3rd parties.
- Jason Carreira
Jason give Evan's protocol some time - I think he sees that issue and it will work out over time. This is all new and we're still working out the quirks and figuring out what it should be. Evan's pretty open to community input and involvement and I'm sure he'd love to hear your advice and suggestions. He'd even let you step in to help if you wanted.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Jason, tell me more about your system and protocol and I'd be happy to share that as well. I share the technology I think others should know about. If you have something profound show it to me and I'd be happy to take a look at it. Just don't criticize me for being preferential - I feature technologies I think are profound.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse, no thanks... It's fundamentally flawed and ruins the value of Twitter over IM/Email. I wrote up my thoughts on the topic in July ( http://blog.babelnote.com/2008... ) and I'm more convinced than ever.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, I've read that, but has Evan?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse, there's no protocol. It's not federated. Microblogging is at an interesting crossroads between IM and Blogging... Twitter was founded by the former founder of Blogger and they missed on the architecture by making it too much like a CMS / Blogging platform, which doesn't scale for a messaging system. This federated XMPP spec misses too much on the IM side and loses the exponential value of centralized data and opens up the floodgates for abuse like we see in Email and IM.
- Jason Carreira
I have no idea. I don't know Evan.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, you should share that with him - shoot him a message on idetni.ca - he's @evan there and he's very open to discussion. Or you could also bring it up on the Laconi.ca developers mailing list and start the discussion there. You can join here: http://mail.laconi.ca/mailman...
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Feel free... I'm not joining any 2-tier database backed microblogging platforms... I've already got one of those and they at least have 2.5 million users, lots of tools, and $20+ million to throw at keeping the duct tape on there to keep it running.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, you could always join the mailing list though - it sounds like you're not interested in attempting to fix the problem. A whole community is working to do so, and I'm sure they'd welcome your input. Let me know when you have something to show though and I'd love to take a look at what you've done.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse, I AM solving the problem ;) I'm just not doing it in open source, I'm forming a company.
- Jason Carreira
There's nothing wrong with that - if it's profound and interesting, I'm happy to share it, just as I did with Brian's OpenMicroBlogger
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jason people manage their own subscriptions just like Twitter and FriendFeed. In your comments you mentioned the business and innovation benefits of "aggregated data of a single system" and "exponential value of centralized data" and "millions of users in one system" but people want to be empowered to manage their own data, witness Wordpress. OpenID lets you make your own URL into a credential, and the OMB spec will let you make your own URL into a simple whitelisted messaging node.
- Brian Hendrickson
So have we hit critical mass of too many microblogging platforms? Why doesn't everyone just make their own and everyone will have one? Would that be enough?
- Ernie Oporto
@Brian But which end manages the subscription? The point being, can I create a badly-behaved XMPP/Microblogging node that spoofs subscriptions and sends out spam messages to big groups of users as if they'd subscribed? I believe the answer is yes... of course since the spec only allows for point-to-point relationships between services, the whole thing is only marginally useful anyway.
- Jason Carreira
Hey, I'm excited about openmicroblogger.com. (Actually, I think the name is too close to openmicroblogging.org, but let's just skim over that.) Multiple implementations are the name of the game for any specification to be tried and true, so openmicroblogger is an awesome addition to the OMB network. I'm looking forward to seeing it develop, and working with Brian to make things work.
- Evan Prodromou
The point of the exponential value of data is looking at all of the powerful tools that have sprung up around Twitter (many of which are dying off now because of Twitter's new API rate limitations). Those tools doing statistical analysis, providing interesting visualizations, and giving interesting real-time views of the Twitterverse are only possible because of the single aggregation of data. Think of the valuable stats and analysis Google can give you of their data....
- Jason Carreira
vs. the weak stats and analysis that can be generated across Google, Yahoo, etc. because you don't have all of the detail data, only the rollups.
- Jason Carreira
@Jason good luck with your system.
- Evan Prodromou
Robin yeah - that's what this reminds me of - the whole AOL/Compuserve vs. the web debacle
- Jesse Stay
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@Robin Tell me how Twittervision can work on Laconica. How can stats of the whole federated network be pulled? It's what you lose with a federated model.
- Jason Carreira
Jason I think you're looking at it wrong. Twittervision isn't supposed to work on Laconi.ca, but they could certainly build versions of their system around each of the most popular implementations of Laconi.ca. Laconi.ca isn't a service, it's a technology. AOL/Compuserve == service. Web == technology.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Without $20+ million to set up the infrastructure and organization, how will any Laconi.ca installs grow to a size big enough to make it worth it? PHP + DB 2 tier architectures do not scale linearly.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, it's the distributed nature of it all, aka the Federation, that makes it worth it. It only takes 10 500,000 user installs of Laconi.ca to make a federated network that compares to Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Jason, regarding money, see my post from 2 days ago on LouisGray.com - what if ESPN were to do their own cobranded version of Laconi.ca and provide a smaller micro-bloggins site for sports lovers? Busiensses like ESPN will be the major competition with Twitter at that point, and they have way more money than Twitter does and are profitable as well.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
And back to the topic, it's not just Laconi.ca that can be in the picture. Any system that supports the OMB protocol can be part of that network, so some actually could scale individually to the size of Twitter. Your own, commercial site could communicate via OMB with other OMB-supported microblogging sites. Twitter itself could support OMB, and I'm still banking they will whent hey get their gear in order.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
The initial premise of Google was to leverage the federated, distributed system that is the WWW. And while they will store your data, they don't really insist all that much upon it, as long as they can crawl it. And with OpenSocial and the social graph API stuff, it's more federation, even... (not speaking for Google, of course, just my lowly opinion)
- Pierre Phaneuf
Steven it's obviously cared enough to be supported by the likes of Yahoo and Google and Facebook - I don't think I would consider that just the narrow field of Web 2.0. We're talking about hundreds of millions of users here.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Steven you do have a point though - OpenID is still not simple enough for average users to fully understand. It must be much more seamless a process.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Steven @Jesse another cool Portland company, JanRain, can "shut up and code" for OpenID like no one else. I grabbed their OpenID server code and modified it: 1) "automatic return" brings you back to my sites after you leave to create a new OpenID 2) "log out" from my sites logs out of the OpenID server in the background 3) "log in" with an e-mail address and it will look-up your OpenID in the background. This stuff and more is live at http://openmicroblogger.com I plan to share the server source code.
- Brian Hendrickson
@Steven what's a bigger convoluted mess, having to register at each and every Web site you use -- or making/using an OpenID? It's very easy from a programmer's perspective, that's indebatable. OpenID can do neat tricks like transfer your profile data to a site, or discover data and application endpoints when you log into a site. OpenID's cousin OAuth can be used to tap these endpoints cross-site, just check out Evan Prodromou's utterly simple use of XRDS and OAuth in his http://openmicroblogging.org spec.
- Brian Hendrickson
@Jason you asked "which end manages the subscription" If I create a subscription to a remote site, that site asks mine for a "ticket" which allows it to post notices to my site. All of this is done with standardized security protocols (OAuth). When I delete the ticket at my end, no more notices arrive. And vice-a-versa. @Jason you said "can I create a badly-behaved...
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- Brian Hendrickson
failed to notice we passed 200000 dents this morning… and the new features went live yesterday.
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and why of all things is this from twitter?
- Vezquex
What new features? Is there a central place where these new features are being tracked?
- Bwana ☠
lol @Vezquex
- Aaron Myers
Yes. Would like to know more about the features.
- Brenda Young
WOW ... That was quick! Congrats
- Charlie Anzman
one of the dangers of commenting putting the topic at the top of the page. see Robin Millette's post below for the new features. or just keep track of http://identi.ca/identica p.s. over 1/4 million posts now.
- exador23
Congrats : )
- LouCypher
identi.ca support please
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I'm testing out Identic.ca, leave your handle below - http://identi.ca/jowyang
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tigertwo :)
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Leave your URL if possible...easier to just click and add. Thanks all
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/glemak - not using it much though
- mike "glemak" dunn
http://identi.ca/steve but given how many messages I get for Steve Gillmor and Steve Jobs, I may get a new one :)
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