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Just removed the final IDE device I will probably ever use. You've been a great interface. RIP old friend - http://krynsky.posterous.com/just-re...
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IDE IS DEAD! LONG LIVE SATA!
- Josh Haley
LONG LIVE ISA!
- Mo Kargas
I replaced a Lite-On IDE DVD Burner with a Plextor SATA. Ahhhhhhh...feels so good to not have any ribbon cables.
- Mark Krynsky
I still have a couple of external IDE drives I am using in cases,
- Ian May
Mark, I did that a couple of weeks ago. All SATA II now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
never say never again
- Robert Higgins
It's the end of an era, I guess. Still, it's a shame that some machines still ship with HDDs and optical drives connected via a PATA-to-SATA bridge...
- Tyson Key
Yay!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Yeah I still have 6 IDE drives that just won't die so still using them in an old server and external case.
- ronin
I have one of the BlacX external drive slot gizmos, that are really useful. Hot-swappable SATA drives.
- Ian May
haha I read the first comment and totally saw "LONG LIVE SATAN" goodness!
- jamar78
I answered a lot of questions about IDE in my day. Remeber the 512mb barrier? That is where OnTrack made a lot money bypassing cylinar limits in BIOS.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
so that's what an IDE looks like.
- Carolyn Chan
Yea Carolyn...soon this will be another technology that time has forgotten...just like how I also have to explain to my kids how we used to drag needles through the gooves of vinyl discs to play music.
- Mark Krynsky
How barbaric !
- Mo Kargas
Stunning photographs of animals inside womb | This Blog Rules - http://www.thisblogrules.com/2009...
Karen Padham Taylor, Evan Brown, Bonnie Foster and 15 other people liked this
Beautiful!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
amazing...
- Samir Kerimov
The answer to "There are people who actually think that?" is always "Yes, there are".
VAL D. Zone, RAPatton, Derrick and 4 other people liked this
...think like, um, what?
- .LAG liked that
you tell me...and I'll tell you. Yes, there are.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I don't think it matters, LAG...
- Bren, Not Grinchy
from iPhone
...oh, you mean "those" people
- .LAG liked that
What Bren said.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
65 Years of Little Golden Books - http://playgrounder.com/stuff...
Maggie, Evan Brown, VAL D. Zone and 19 other people liked this
"Remember The Poky Little Puppy? There’s something special about reading a book to your child that was once read to you by your own parents. In 65 Years of Little Golden Books ($13) you get a special collection of 6 of the most popular books ever to sport that gold spine. Learn to stay on the tracks with Tootle, try new foods with The Tawny Scrawny Lion, go on a grand adventure with The Shy Little Kitten, and more!"
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Cute! I put it on Audrey's Amazon list.
- Rochelle
And all the crayon marks!
- Christopher Harley
I loved Little Golden Books. My future kids and current and future nieces and nephews will definitely get these.
- Kamilah Gill
I loved them too!! I saw one the other day at work, a Christmas themed one.
- Bryce Roney
How do You Say Hosanna in English? - http://goddidntsaythat.com/2009...
Alex Scoble and Evan Brown liked this
Thank all that is holy that the new Chrome Dev release is out. I was so tired of the half-done throbber icon. Plus: EXTENSIONS!!!!!
Mike Chelen, Michael Fidler, Alessandro and 2 other people liked this
now we only need the extensions gallery!
- Alessandro
Hey - what do you think this is? A democracy? Please continue to tease us, almighty internet overlords!
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
https://chrome.google.com/extensi... goes nowhere useful though it seems
- Brian Sullivan
http://chromeextensions.org/ is already full of extensions
- Régis Décamps
I can't get AdBlock+ to work at all. Any ideas?
- LANjackal
Sorry FriendFeed, But I Agree With Robert Scoble - http://www.sheysmith.com/2009...
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sofarsoShawn, Steve Borgman, Mark Krynsky and 36 other people liked this
I agree with you that things are incredibly cliquey here, which is an unfortunate side effect of less fresh meat. I think there's a difference between the content of Scoble's point and how he presented that point: Scoble, in many ways, is like a kid in a candy store. He's overstimulated with a constant influx of new tech candy, and it's becomes hard to take his recommendations...
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- Mark Trapp
It doesn't give him a pass to be a jerk about it. It was very disrespectful to everyone in the screenshot he posted.
- Rodfather
That's a good distinction Mark. And you hit the nail on the head in terms of one of my main points which is the "less fresh meat".
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
See, Shey, you left space for open dialogue. You didn't come in and say it was "sad" and "dead". You just said YOUR usage has changed. You posted the exact opposite of what Robert did.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
That's an important distinction too Monique. Thanks
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that things have gotten very cliquey here on FriendFeed.
- Itachi
Yeah, I can actually agree with Shey here. It's unfortunate that things have gone in this direction. I'm not afraid of getting jumped on for something I post or a comment I make, but I'm thinking most people are a little more conservative than I. FriendFeed isn't dead, it's just different. I also stand by the comment I have made on various occasions: Your FriendFeed is unique and...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Mark nailed it. +++
- Carlos Ayala
Rahsheen: that's just the rub. Let's say I want to follow all the iPhone app developers. They just aren't here. 90% are over on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say I want to follow the world's geolocation experts. They aren't here (go ahead and check, I did). But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... Or, say you want to follow tech companies. They aren't here. But they are here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... -- see, when I joined FriendFeed I had hoped...
- Robert Scoble
...that a far more diverse group of folks would show up here (and brands and celebrities) so that I COULD listen to what I wanted and YOU could listen to what YOU wanted and we all could be happy. But, that didn't happen. I'm being a jerk, yes, but mostly it's just grief because it didn't work out the way I thought it would.
- Robert Scoble
Well, two things happen in a lifeboat scenario. People get cliquey (bond close together to cope/survive) and people peer into others eyes and wonder if mania or cannibalism is brewing. People are civilized and instinctual, so there is no inevitable outcome, but in the mean time drama ensues.
- Micah Wittman
I can exist in more than one place. I can follow the people on Robert's list on Twitter and my friends here on FriendFeed and my family/friends on Facebook. Social Media Maturity means you don't have to have all your sets of friends in the one room for you to remain being friends with them.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Shey, I think this title is a little misleading. As others have said here, I think you're saying something very different from what Robert said, or at least in a very different, much more palatable way. I think you're being more specific and not so general (SOME people's experiences here aren't so great. It's not horrible for everyone.)
- Kamilah Gill
Unless you just don't care; The clique thing never bothered me, I have two many of my own things going on.
- ThatDBD
"clique" implies exclusionary behaviours, and i have yet to witness that in any great quantity here.
- Joe Silence is not dead
If i was robert I would have added all his twitter list accounts to a semi-public room here on friendfeed.... much more useful in here than over there (imho) -- you can use the reply to twitter checkbox when commenting on the entries and when they reply to you it should feed into friendfeed via an ego search.... i do this exactly, but i only follow 64 ppl on twitter and am followed by...
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- Chris Heath
@Kamilah Fair assessment. I agree with Robert's assessment of the forum effect. But we're different users when it comes to Friendfeed and we want to see different things
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that FriendFeed has changed since the FB announcement, but I've been here long enough (and you have too, Shey) to have seen it change several times as people came in and left with various feature changes and overhauls. It will continue to morph into something else again, I'm sure. It's a platform that is suited to a lot of purposes and it changes as the majority of people decide...
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- Lindsay
This also assumes that FriendFeed is used exclusively in English...
- Johnny Worthington
At first I thought Friendfeed was a refuge for the chummy crowd. Then I saw Johnny Worthington was here and I knew it couldn't be a clique. Sorted.
- Bernie Goldbach
Why cannot FriendFeed be used just as much as everything else. In the social media world, the more points of connection, the better.
- Steve Borgman
WOW good post, and comments,+Mark +Chris, Kamillah I agree the title is misleading differing from Scoble as per Mark's comment. And after after the drop from the big sell to FB, albeit Scoble had all the tact of someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre, people listen to him, the criticism still resonates, and the fact is user #s keep dropping. And consequently I find FF myself less interested, signing in less, it's not as "breaking" as it once was, there's less posts/shares/activity, especially re Tech
- sofarsoShawn
Squirrel on holiday :) - http://www.decentdiscussions.com/squirre...
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Lysender, ★ Soner Gönül, Olivia Lovag and 112 other people liked this
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
یاد خدا بیامرز اگسی افتادم... سنجاب فقیدم.. :(
- Bius
Looks like me!
- Helen Sventitsky
I envy it! é_è
- Andrea (Notorious)
That squirrel's not resting - it's nailed to its perch!
- Amy℠
Ha! So funny how it looks at you like it's saying, "What? Got a problem?"
- Angel Torres
ROFL!
- rowlikeagirl
I presume that its total lack of movement is due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged nut gathering session?
- Ken Morley
looks like me at the end of a work day
- Melissa
looks like me now
- M F
Who knew destroying my plants and eating all my fruit took so much out of them?
- Spidra Webster
Cool squirrel. Must have painted the town red last night. ",)
- jan geronimo
Hung over?
- W. Kirk Crawford
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
tipsiz
- Profesyonel Öğrenci
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
PS, saw UP last night. Possibly my favorite Pixar film so far (haven't seen Cars); definitely better than WALL-E.
Jason Huebel, Micah Wittman, Helen Sventitsky and 10 other people liked this
Maybe I need to see it again because Up, to me, was just all right. Wall•E blew me away on every level and, aside from some really good moments, most of Up was just extremely decent.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What got to me with Up was that the themes were more mature than Wall•E: Wall•E felt like a child's naivete on love and saving the world. With Up, there is no saving-the-world plot, and the protagonist is affected by more realistic problems like longing for a dead wife, dementia, not letting go, and feeling regret for getting in the way of his loved one's dreams. Even the kid-targetted comic relief is affected by constantly trying to win the approval of a father who's never there.
- Mark Trapp
But I should say before Up, Wall•E was my favorite Pixar movie to date, so that's not to say I didn't like Wall•E or thought it was bad. I just thought Up was better. I didn't like the Incredibles or Toy Story, but loved Ratatouille, so what do I know?
- Mark Trapp
How do you not like the Incredibles? You make me angry sometimes with your strange and confusing ways.
- James Ferguson
I didn't like the Incredibles either.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've tried to determine what about the Incredibles rubs me the wrong way, and the only thing I can come up with is that it's a movie that knows everyone is going to like it; that is, it's cocky in the same way Shrek, Madagascar, and Ice Age are. It's a well done movie, but I don't enjoy watching it in the way I do with Wall•E, Up, or Ratatouille.
- Mark Trapp
Wow, excellent insight, Mark. I feel the same way about it and the others but didn't know exactly why. Now I do. Although I don't think the original Shrek had that cockiness.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, you're right; my view of Shrek is forever tainted by the marketing machine that created Shrek 2, 3, 4, Shrek Forever, Shrek: The Heretic, Shrek and Screech Save Mr. Belding, and all the other stuff.
- Mark Trapp
Ladybug Heather and I just saw this on the weekend. We just loved it. Hmm....I may decide to watch it again soon.
- Scott of Two Countries
Cars isn't that great. Pixar does a great job of making kids that are also entertaining for adults. Up might be the saddest, most adult themed movie they've made but it's still great for kids. Cars on the other hand was an anomaly. It didn't have much for anyone over the age of 12 (as I remember)
- Benjamin Golub
Good to know. Ratatouille is my sleeper favorite.
- Hutch Carpenter
Mark, re. "I've tried to determine what about the Incredibles..." —yes! you packed a lot into one comment; put words to how those films sat with me. Although with Ice Age (the first one at least) it didn't feel high on itself, but expectations were lower as it's clearly a 'regular season game' offering.
- Micah Wittman
I liked Ratatouille. Wall-E is great. Up was good but wasn't fluid. There's really isn't a Pixar film I REALLY REALLY liked.
- Rodfather
Toy Story > ALL
- Vezquex: God of FF
Installing Seesmic Desktop for Windows. Finally, a desktop Twitter app without the need for the monstrosity that is Adobe AIR.
Evan Brown liked this
Methinks your problem is user error
Kol Tregaskes, ♫Geek in the 410♫, VAL D. Zone and 8 other people liked this
P.E.B.C.A.K. - Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
- mikepk
But wait, I thought the user was not broken?
- John Dupuis
Alan, armed with his brightly colored short sleeve shirt and a Bible, prepares to do battle against the Satanic argyle revolution threatening the library world.
Katy S, Evan Brown, Mary Carmen and 7 other people liked this
How cute.
- s t e v e
You won't think it's cute when I bring my wrath down upon you.
- Alan Simpson
GET BEHIND ME YOU GOLF COURSE LOOKING SATAN!
- Sarah G.
SO...BUSH WAS AN IDIOT? - True Conservatives on Twitter - http://tcotblog.ning.com/profile...
Evan Brown liked this
Facebook Chat Coming to Gtalk, Jabber Imminently - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...
Evan Brown liked this
Thank God for no early payment penalties, I'll have this done in 10 years at 27,000 paid in interest, otherwise it'd be 270,000 for a 128,000 home in total payments at 5.25% over 30 years.
Evan Brown, Mathew A. Koeneker and MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) liked this
Congratulations to Virginia and New Jersey. I feel sorry for NY city with Bloomberg as mayor for 3rd term.
Craig Eddy and Evan Brown liked this
Why We Have Rights - http://blog.mises.org/archive...
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"Humans are fundamentally social animals... and it is in the nature of society for these rights to be at least partially respected. This is why these are termed natural rights — not that it is in the nature of human beings to have rights (I am not going to open this debate), but that it is in the nature of human societies." This is a very important question, and, while I disagree strongly with his answer, it is good that someone is asking it.
- Alex Scrivener
The only rights we have are the rights we agree to give each other and those we bother to respect. Natural rights is just physics envy.
- Todd Hoff
I disagree, Todd. Natural Rights are inherent in the nature of man. Of course, we have different ideas about what that nature is.
- Alex Scrivener
That's just a myth Alex to make people feel better about imposing their great political system on other people. Man up. Force your self on others while acknowledging you are using force to get what you want. Don't blame it on something "Natural"
- Todd Hoff
Wow, Todd. Do you really think, after everything I say here, that I am in favor of forcing anyone to do anything? Almost everything I share or talk about is related to preventing someone's use of force against others. The fact that I think humans have an inherent dignity which entitles them to a list of rights would have to be stretched pretty damn far to get to force.
- Alex Scrivener
You act like restricting my use of force is natural. It's actually the greatest restriction of all. It's the greatest scam reasoning of all time because in the name of rights you've stolen my most natural right possible. You've stopped me from managing my own affairs and seeking personal justice. Humans have nothing inherent. This is just misapplied physics talk again. Everything in the human realm must be continually created by will and intent. There's nothing natural or inherent about it. It's work.
- Todd Hoff
Do you have me confused with someone else, Todd? I am in favor of legalized rocket launchers and automatic weapons.
- Alex Scrivener
But at the root you want to prevent my use of force by referring to some mystical natural right. The rest if just window dressing. That's still the core.
- Todd Hoff
What are will and intent, if not part of human nature? Unless you hold a deterministic idea of will, in which case you are wasting a lot of time arguing on the internet
- Alex Scrivener
I can't prevent the use of force by rights, I prevent force with more force. I choose to do so because of rights.
- Alex Scrivener
By that logic then everything is part of human nature so all is justified. Not much of a theory of natural rights. It's more like a mirror where you look and see the result you want so that's all that is seen.
- Todd Hoff
You use force because that's what you want. The rights are just a fiction, a rationalization so you feel good about what you are doing. The irony is the pattern is then to attack people for violating rights when your system rests on the greatest violation of all. No amount of rationalization, greatest good, soul, etc changes that.
- Todd Hoff
*opens another bag of popcorn*
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Either you have inherent rights by your nature, or you don't. If you do have rights, such as the right to use force, then I have the right to oppose you with my own force. If you don't have rights, then you can't complain about me taking them away.
- Alex Scrivener
Who is there to say we either do or don't? There is nobody. So it's our choice. I won't complain. I will use force, not because god/natural rights/etc said to, but because that's my choice for the life I want to lead. Authority is the quickest and easiest way to render disagreement moot. This is always looking back to Aristotle for authority for example. Natural rights is just an appeal...
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- Todd Hoff
Todd, while my views are different still, what Alex is saying is consistent. The origin of rights (and what the exact list is) is perhaps open to debate, but if we assume we have certain individual rights that most of us agree on, then we must be free to exercise and defend them. I'm not entirely clear on whether you're trying to make a point beyond disagreeing with the concept of natural rights. Are you advocating aggressive force to achieve some set of goals?
- LogEx
LogEx I'm not sure where consistency is an issue, given a set of assumptions being consistent is doable, unfortunately that doesn't speak to anything beyond the bounds of the artificial system in question. We don't in fact agree on rights and this is the great divide we face in the US. Alex wants you to be able to have rocket launchers and is convinced this is True because of Authority....
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- Todd Hoff
I can't speak for others, but I don't dwell too much on the origin of rights (we may never be able to answer and agree on that one, the founders were probably wise to punt). I'm practical and look to the law (most importantly for me as a US citizen, the US Constitution) and the rule of law. If I try to exercise rights that are not within the law, I expect consequences. If something is imposed on me that is against my legal rights, I have the right to fight it.
- LogEx
I never brought authority into this discussion, I brought nature into it. I made the claim that certain rights are inherent to man by his nature. This statement is predicated on a detailed understanding of what that nature is, but the rights themselves flow directly from it. The fundamental disagreement is about the nature of man, not his rights.
- Alex Scrivener
I ignored the constitution for several reasons. 1) it does not claim authority, but rather points to nature, 2) It applies only to US Citizens, not humanity as a whole, and 3) If rights are granted by external authority, then they are not rights, but privileges.
- Alex Scrivener
How can rights be granted by anything by an external authority? That's what grant means. To say they are somehow intrinsic is simply a religious position. Remove the infrastructure to enforce those rights they simply don't exist anymore because it's only when people agree that they exist. Rights are a conscious choice of an adult society.
- Todd Hoff
If rights are a choice, they can be unchosen, or redefined to fit the needs of those in power. Don't like some minority? Bam, no rights, no foul. Rights must exist independently of the infrastructure to defend them, or else they are NOT rights. The most retched slave in the darkest pit has the dignity and rights of every other human who has ever lived.
- Alex Scrivener
Then why is the retched slave still in the pit Alex? And it should be clear by now that having a law means nothing without a people that still believe in the ideals behind those laws and are willing to enforce them. That's what makes it work. There's no way to make a rule that exists for all time everywhere and can't be changed. That's the kind of rules kids make in games. There is no independent infrastructure apart from humans. Unless you are talking about robot overlords. That might work :-)
- Todd Hoff
Todd, there is a nature vs. nurture argument to be made too. One could easily posit that rights, in a sense, are in our DNA (and perhaps further developed through life)... that we have a nature that came to be because it was the best adaptation to being social animals. Rights can exist even when the means of enforcement are absent, but perhaps we're just stuck on semantics.
- LogEx
Most rights are about crushing the is/ought divide. What IS in our DNA is not how most people think others OUGHT to behave so we make laws to change that. It's a higher level of programmability. An evolutionary biology approach to morality would be pretty much the opposite of constitutionally run systems.
- Todd Hoff
Not opposite... more like complementary. Certainly there are innate tendencies of humans that are not good for the larger group (aggression, too much small group loyalty at the expense of the whole, etc.), so there is a balancing of individual and group rights (in the sense of reigning in behavioral outliers).
- LogEx
Opposite as in fixed versus dynamic. A constitutional system tries to maintain a fixed and ordered system. A homeostatic model. Without that framework people will explore a much more varied space of options. Some of them not much concerned with rights at all.
- Todd Hoff
If indeed we do have rights, then we have the right of refusal also. This right to not Opt In seems what many are trying to deny people as a choice. Their beliefs are important enough for them to kill people over them. Then the Lords of Creation folks think anyone Not Them deserves treatment like slaves. In my education & experience the forceful types will not stop. What to do they are teaming up to gain leverage over normal thinkers???
- ThatDBD
Oh, well, when you put it like that...
- Alex Scrivener
@ThatDBD I haven't seen anything in this thread to suggest anything but equal rights for all. We enter into a social contract and agree to by governed by the rule of law when we opt to live in a society like ours. You do have the Opt In... you can move somewhere where you like the rules better.
- LogEx
Natural law is the law of the jungle. Natural rights is basically "might makes right." To live otherwise means creating a social contract where people give up some of their rights so we don't have to live solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, short lives in a war of all against all.
- Victor Ganata
@Victor, That is a Hobbsian understanding of rights. Natural Law is commonly understood to mean rights which are inherent by our nature. Those rights can never be taken away, since to do so would require changing our nature.
- Alex Scrivener
Yes, the normal use of "natural law" is something else entirely — more in tune to what Todd is describing, really. I can't think of any rights that can't be violated by force, though. Humans are pretty good at subjugating and oppressing each other.
- Victor Ganata
Rights CAN be violated, but they still exist. Otherwise imprisoning someone would take away their right to freedom. A right to something is not identical to the exercising of that right. If I have a right to free speech, the fact that I am bound and gagged in a cell in Cuba does not remove my right, or else it wouldn't be a violation of my rights to leave me there. The only way to say that it is "wrong" is to posit an existing right which is being violated.
- Alex Scrivener
To look at it another way, who defines rights if not human beings? Or are you really positing the existence of some non-human supreme authority?
- Victor Ganata
@LogEx I was speaking about the right to Opt Out of a belief pattern, presently our society here is placing beliefs over rational thinking, That leads to misuse of people and freedoms taken away for the ease of a class of the social structure. And I can believe as I darn well want to, do not have to follow some one or some group. Ss my meaning
- ThatDBD
@Victor, Technically, those are separate issues. The rights are defined by the nature of a human being, what a human is. That is the essential question. How he came to be that way is not directly relevant.
- Alex Scrivener
If there were no rational beings, would rights exist? Do animals in a state of nature have rights? Why do some people find it easy to believe that we have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but not to food or shelter? How is this not arbitrary? Oh, I'm aware that philosophers endlessly debate criteria delineating what is a right and what isn't, but ultimately, aren't rights just constructs of language that only manifest themselves in physical reality when human beings are interacting?
- Victor Ganata
In short, no.
- Alex Scrivener
Uh, no to all those questions? :)
- Victor Ganata
Rights attach only to rational beings. I can't speak for some people. Rights are not just constructs, they have independent existence.
- Alex Scrivener
Alex goes Platonic. Do you consider them applicable to all rational beings? Or would an intelligent hive culture have the same rights?
- Todd Hoff
Not Platonic, Scholastic. Different school. The definition of Man I am working with is "rational animal" therefor all rational animals would have the same set of natural rights which follow from that definition.
- Alex Scrivener
Using the same ideas to justify a different end is all. There's a long litany of what is rational etc but we skip all that as reason is remarkably graded. At bottom you are putting me in a class and then requiring me to be in the class through force. The justification isn't relevant after that.
- Todd Hoff
I am not putting you in a class, I am pointing out that you are in a class. If you think the existence of an objective reality is inherently oppressive, I can't help you.
- Alex Scrivener
No Alex, it's synthetic a priori class of your own construction that I do not recognize as valid. You can push and shove all you want but in the end you must force me to be in the same pool as you. Objective reality is understandable by the scientific process. Objective independent observers can run experiments and come up with the same answer. There is no such process for rights. I as individual will have a different sense as what are rights, as will different groups, cultures, and types of beings.
- Todd Hoff
I disagree.
- Alex Scrivener
Here in the good ol USofA we have many conflicting standards. There are the perceived standard and the actual reality of what happens to people by our Gov and other leaders. It is quite good that enough people can take the high road and say All people have rights and we should all acknowledge this in the world. The perceived notion is that this is a universal truth obvious to all. No it...
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- ThatDBD
The problem is that all you're doing is asserting that rights exist. There's no way to prove that they do from observation alone. At some point, you have to make an assumption.
- Victor Ganata
Disagree with what Alex? It can't be that hard to let go of your faith. It doesn't lead to chaos or oblivion, it in fact leads to a better place.
- Todd Hoff
I disagree that your senses of reality have any bearing on that reality. I am positing an independent existence of nature and class. Your understanding and acknowledgment are not required. I am not bringing my faith into this discussion at all. I am basing everything I have said on the definition of human as "rational animal". Everything else flows from that definition. You may have a...
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- Alex Scrivener
The very concept of rights seem to require understanding and acknowledgment by other people, though, otherwise it's just empty solipsism. There's still a fair jump between pragmatism, empiricism, and radical nihilism :)
- Victor Ganata
So in your model a brain dead person could be used for food, for example, because they have lost the rational faculty? Dolphins, chimps, some birds etc have equal rights with humans because they are rational. People with higher IQs have a different set of rights because they are in a different class. And from your definition you feel sure enough to kill me if I deviate from your model...
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- Todd Hoff
Man is an easily led easily duped being. Believing in ideas and slavishly following other strong personalities. IF any of that has any bearing on the truth mankind has no rights at all till our esteemed leaders believe and act like we do. They just do not exist till action is performed which creates them.
- ThatDBD
No, in my model the braindead, the retarded, and the very young all have the rights inherent in their nature, which are the same as MENSA members, since there is no difference in kind, only in accidents. If dolphins and chimps were rational, they would have the same rights, as well.
- Alex Scrivener
I'll agree with your last statement, Alex. My father had a nice saying: Each person has equal value.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
You have 3 interacting fuzzy classes: rationality, nature, inherent. So should we come to you to get the last word on what these classes mean and what they imply? It's seems a bit like divination. The point that you don't seem to attend to is that we will disagree. The problem is what to do about this disagreement. Your solution is to say there is no problem by Authority and if you disagree you are wrong and I'll kill you to preserve the illusion of Authority.
- Todd Hoff
As an aside, brain-death is considered actual death in a lot of jurisdictions. Not sure if they'd be used as food any more than other corpses would be, though. But dead people generally seem to have less rights than live people.
- Victor Ganata
I don't mean class as social construct, I mean class as set. The set of all animate creatures is the animal class. Inherent means deriving from the nature of a thing. A circle is inherently round, but can be accidentally green. When it comes to human rights, yes, I will claim your denials are wrong and go about defending them regardless.
- Alex Scrivener
As for braindeath, I hold with the heart-death test. If there is enough brain to keep the heart beating and the body from decomposing, there is still life, but at that point we are drawing a line which is not relevant to the argument. However you define it, rights end after death.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm actually more in agreement with what the author of that article writes: "This is why these are termed natural rights — not that it is in the nature of human beings to have rights… but that it is in the nature of human societies."
- Victor Ganata
"Sinatra At the Sands" from 1966. Frank was absolutely ON for this recording. One of my all-time favorite records. Period. Frank Rules.
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".. the gospel I preached is not something that man made up..I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Gal.1:11-12
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I'm starting to not be a fan of extended daylight savings time. When I have to wake up to go to work, it's dark. When I leave the office, it's dark. At least if it were standard time now, I'd get to see the sun in the morning.
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They should scrap the whole thing. Seriously.
- Cristo
werd.
- imabonehead
I liked this in support.
- Admiral Anika
I HATE leaving work when it's dark.
- Ayşe E.
I hate waking up when it's dark!
- Katy S
(That, too.)
- Ayşe E.
And...since I'm at home all this time, this makes me realize you must be pulling like 10 - 12 hour days. I watched the sunrise this morning around 5.30am and the sun faded from the sky around 6pm. I'm sorry man.
- Admiral Anika
I hate DST.
- Wirehead
I completely agree with Chris on this one...DST sucks donkey balls
- Alex Scoble
It's not even required for most farming these days. Everything's mechanized. Machines don't care what time it is.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
DST was never for the farmers. Farmers actually hate DST because they have to do everything by the position of the sun anyway. It's a meaningless pointless twice-yearly gesture that we've forgotten even why we bother doing it.
- Wirehead
It wastes media and engineering energy. The argument for it is that it saves electricity, but I've not seen any conclusive evidence of that.
- Cristo
Seconded. Scrap it.
- Alex Scrivener
I've written code to handle time zones around the world, including various countries daylight saving time rules. Some of them are truly bizarre. In Israel, the minister of the interior decides each year when daylight saving time will start and end that year. After the Israel minister makes the decision, the Palestinian authority makes it's decision about when daylight saving time will start and end, and it is always purposely different from the Israel decision.
- Cristo
Another funny one is Jordan officially has daylight saving year round, which for the observant could just as easily be described as a different time zone.
- Cristo
DST makes me a bitter, bitter person every spring. And as much as I appreciate "falling back", my cat doesn't understand DST/StT so it takes him a few weeks to get used to the new meal schedule.
- vicster
I, too, have written time zone code, Cristo. Which is where a lot of the vitrol against DST comes from on my part. :)
- Wirehead
FF > FB ∴ FF FTW
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Heh, is there going to be an argument over dinner when Paul gets home?
- Stephen Mack
Uh-oh. But you tell him, April!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Stephen: There's no argument. He knows how I feel.
- April Buchheit
This makes me laugh...this is great stuff.
- Alex Scoble
Agreed, priceless. :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
∴ ?
- Kevin Fox
This made my day! Make sure Paul remembers what his team created and don't let FB shut us down. :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Best post of the day!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
is that "greater than" or "write FF to the file FB?"
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: Uh, both? :)
- April Buchheit
Kevin: ∴ FF FTW!
- April Buchheit
April rocks. Go FF and go April. :)
- Louis Gray
Cheer section is getting crowded behind April....
- Harold
Updated (18:16 PST)
- April Buchheit
I'm with you April!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I think that's the first time I've seen the therefore sign used on FriendFeed :)
- Glenn Slaven
It's just my way of saying I'll take FF over FB anytime, any day.
- April Buchheit
A to the Men!
- Felicia Yue
Standing ovation.
- Bruce Lewis
Indeed Best post of the day. Simply the truth!. :=)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
April +++++++++++++++++++++!
- AJ Batac
Ooh, hex math. Can I play?
- Glen Mistletoe
Good thing Stephen Mack pointed that out in the top comment. I and possibly others would have missed the connection.
- Vezquex: God of FF
♥
- AJ Batac
'April! April!' chant is going on
- Christopher Galtenberg
*hands April the key to the city*
- Micah Wittman
♥
- Mitch
I fully agree.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
But what did the Walrus say?
- Robert Scoble
By the way, lots of Facebook employees say "FB 2010 >= FF 2010 ∴ FB 2010 FTW." Or "FB 2010 (include FF) > Twitter 2010 ∴ FB FTW
- Robert Scoble
liking for Scoble's last comment. I'm seeing similar
- Jesse Stay
I can believe FB 2011 >= FF 2011. If they can pull it off in 2010 I'll be very impressed.
- Bruce Lewis
The big question is whether that will be "greater than OR equal to" or "greater than AND equal to"
- Jesse Stay
awww, you spelled it out better than any social media expert I know of! (exception maybe Mashable just cuz he wants me)
- sofarsoShawn
Sorry - Facebook won't ever rise to the level of FriendFeed unless they let you turn off all the ads, the lame "invites" for bullshit apps and the lowest common denominator feeling. They can add all of FriendFeed's features, but until they make it look like something that appeals to a tech-savvy audience, who cares?
- Internet's Tad
It'd be wonderful if, instead of dumbing down FriendFeed (by merging it into FB) they could smarten up FaceBook by removing all the retarded cruft.
- Internet's Tad
Tad: have you seen the lightweight Facebook? Or, even better, have you seen the iPhone app? It doesn't have any retarded cruft. I was at Apple's headquarters today. Guess which app was being downloaded faster than almost any other app? Right. Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Tad, you just made me spit out my soda. HA!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I use Facebook as my sorta, Black Book as old timers say, aka booty calls. I made a list :)
- sofarsoShawn
Both Facebook Lite and the iPhone app pale in comparison to plain ole FriendFeed. Why not just change the banner up at the top to say FaceBook Lite and let that be that? There's nothing at all on FaceBook that I'd like to see show up in FriendFeed.
- Internet's Tad
Tad: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users.
- Robert Scoble
300 million users aren't interested in FriendFeed, obviously. But, if they create a FaceBook Lite that's got all of the existing FF functionality without any of the sline/LCD bullshit of FaceBook Classic, and can handle more users, then I'll be all for it. I'm not going to hold my breath. I think the best we'll end up with is FaceBook Lite updating in real time with hordes of Mafia invites, virtual gift spam and ads for the new Booty Blaster 2010 app. Let's hope they prove me wrong!
- Internet's Tad
April FTW - I realize I'm late for that. But yay for the FF wimmin! And the therefore sign! (How do you even do that on a keyboard? Mac please)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
+1 Tad - That's the fear, Facebook will morph the features to an audience that will use it very different than FF. Although I can see how FB can really benefit from the design and features of FF, the community result will change due to the culture FB has already created.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Tad, is the issue a tech-savvy audience or just a non-stupid one? I sure hope, if your vision comes to pass, they intro a Smart Hide feature where we can hide all that crap in one or two clicks, separating stupid content from its posters. AS in, Yes I want to see my niece's new baby; No, I don't EVER want to play even one game she invites people to.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Tad: I never get Mafia invites or virtual gift spam. I don't know why you even care about those things? They certainly never show up on the iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, something like that Mary.
- Internet's Tad
Robert, I have high school friends and other acquaintances who constantly invite me for Pillow Fights or Mafia games or whatever. I don't really want to know that FriendA just harvested a marsh mellow field or that FriendB just assassinated someone else. My FaceBook smartphone app is full of mostly FriendFeed repeats from my FF friends. Why go to FB to see that?
- Internet's Tad
Tad: I just ignore those requests.
- Robert Scoble
Also, I've NEVER seen any conversation on FB last as long as this one has.
- Internet's Tad
I don't care for any of the apps myself and to be honest some people's posts are just plain insipid. If I see a pattern of vapidity from one individual, I hide them. I honestly don't care that they hate Mondays or are hungry and need food. Blah!
- April Buchheit
I do ignore the requests, but back to your Living Room analogy. Just as you won't tolerate awful people in your living room are you content to have salespeople in your living room, even if they're easily ignorable off in the corner?
- Internet's Tad
Scoble: I saw a great quote in CloudAve today about "follow the people who are changing the world, not milking fake cows". Facebook is one of those places where I have quite a few "real life" friends that....well....aren't changing the world. And I'm OK with that, I think FB was designed to "have fun with Friends" more than many social apps. I also don't think I need to create two...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
MaryB, I just copied and pasted from Kevin Fox's comment. :) Originally, I just posted "FF > FB" and then Kevin Fox made his comment, so I updated my post accordingly.
- April Buchheit
Right - FB is just a place to catch up with old friends who aren't really tech savvy. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's like Sun City here in AZ. I go to visit my in-laws there, and I'm glad it's there, but I'm not gonna go hang out with that crowd (old, retired folks) all the time.
- Internet's Tad
manielse: true. But this is one reason why many people tell me they like Twitter better than FriendFeed: they can control who gets on their screen. Here you really can't. I can show up in almost anyone's threads, which reduces utility for them. That's not true over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
On Twitter, it would have been nigh impossible to have a conversation this rich. It'd degenerate into a lot of u's and 2's and 4's, etc. Twitter has a lot of smart content, but it's in short bursts.
- Internet's Tad
That's the magic of FF Tad, it's a hybrid of the tools of today (Twitter, FB) and some we don't talk about any more (IRC, Usenet, Bulletin Boards) that allowed better engagement with a fully public audience.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert, you can't control who gets on your Home feed - which is exactly the charm of FF, I think, and I hear a lot of people talk about the serendipity of friends of friends, so I think I'm not alone in that. But I also have heard you talk about collaboration rooms, and Tina about lists, which suggests to me that if we're willing to apply a little elbow grease, we can get pretty specific about who we see and who we don't. So I think that's a bit of a copout for the folks who say they prefer Twitter.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Mary: it's the charm but also what kept FriendFeed from really going mainstream. I heard that over and over and over again.
- Robert Scoble
Tad: Twitter is a great way to tell your audience to go someplace. Lots of URLs there. So, what is wrong with bringing your Twitter audience over here when you specifically want a chat? That's what I do.
- Robert Scoble
The main feed in FB vs in FF is a great point Mary. I use Greasemonkey script Facebook Purity to clean the fake cow\quiz junk btw, a great script!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
You know how I know FB's better? There's more babby shares. :)
- sofarsoShawn
There's nothing wrong with that Robert. I like Twitter for the most part. I just don't like FaceBook, and unless I see a compelling reason to use it a lot, I won't.
- Internet's Tad
Best. Post. Ever. Thanks April. (Why do the women always have the sense in the family?)
- Martha
BULLETIN -- COLORADO SHERIFF: BALLOON BOY STORY WAS PUBLICITY STUNT FOR TV SHOW.
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No way!
- joey
This is my surprised face.
- Akiva Moskovitz
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.
- Derrick
Did it work?
- Rick Schmidt
Watching this mess on MSNBC now.
- Baroness Von SmashAHomie
from iPod
In this day and age that's hardly surprising. I do find it disgusting that these people would use their children in that way. I hope the parents are fined heavily and whatever TV show they were trying to promote is nothing I'll be watching. Chances are pretty good that I wouldn't have been watching it anyway so that's hardly much of a stand.
- pea
Can I just say it? I'm just gonna' say it. I don't care to hear any more about the balloon boy story. http://www.facebook.com/permali...
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Ten Commandments:Celebrity Culture and Worshipping False Idols - ABC News - http://abcnews.go.com/Nightli...
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In America these days, idols are everywhere. Music idols like Britney and Madonna. Sports idols like Jeter or Manning. Fashion idols like Gucci, Armani or Prada. We even have television shows to make our own "American Idol." It's as if there is a need, a hunger in America to idolize. But wait a minute. Isn't that just pop culture? Modern life? Isn't the second commandment about worshipping the golden calf and graven images? Just what is an idol?
- Jason Wyttenbach
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Things you didn’t know VLC media player can do - http://www.instantfundas.com/2009...
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I learned a few things in that
- Jeremy Zawodny
All 3 branches of the federal govt. have used the climate of emergency to overstep their Constitutional authority.
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I have two Facebook accounts. I wish that there was some way to combine them.
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I had the same as I mistakenly used different email addresses. Then realised my mistake when FB suggested that I might know myself because we had the same friends. Of course I also suspected something when I couldn't mark down that my wife was in fact married to me.
- Travis Koger
I know how ye feel. I have 3 google accounts I want to combine....
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
You could write an app that friends everyone not already in your friend list, and point that app at your other account. On second thought, friending might not be part of their API.
- Cristo
Why don't you do it for me, Cristo?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Because I'm mean and lazy.
- Cristo
:(
- Akiva Moskovitz
That's against the TOS - be careful, you stand to lose BOTH of them.
- JIDF
David, considering what you've gone through, that's a warning well heeded. I will soon ditch one of them.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I used to have the second Facebook account with the same name just to be in a relationship with myself. :|
- Faraz Mullick
I tried to do that, too, once but I wouldn't have anything to do with me (and for good reason, too).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Since getting kicked off, I now juggle several. Nothing to lose, so I might as well. A lot can be learned about our enemies on Facebook.
- JIDF
Oh, but what I wouldn't give if our enemies weren't limited to Facebook.
- Akiva Moskovitz
...running it.
- JIDF
My personal opinion ultimately has no weight beyond myself, of course but the only way this situation can get anything other than my derision is if he humbly declines the award. Otherwise, you have to be blind not to begin to question the man's character.
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This is the only comment I intend to make on this issue.
- Akiva Moskovitz
yep, we said the same thing this morning. which leads me to ask: has anyone ever declined a nobel prize, in any category?
- Call me Bronco
I'd have to think there's a pretty large team of staffers and advisors considering the logistics and etiquette of declining.
- Ken Sheppardson
Le Duc Tho in 1973. Was awarded the peace prize along with Kissenger, but declined because they hadn't yet achieved peace in Vietnam.
- Ken Sheppardson
who needs google, when you've got ff? ;) thanks ken.
- Call me Bronco
Rock on, Akiva.
- Josh Haley
I'm not feeling quite as harsh as Akiva, but I also think that the president should decline the award.
- Internet's Tad
Yes, I wouldn't state it quite so strongly, but I agree that declining the award would be wiser in political terms and also, like, reality terms.
- s t e v e
Hey, I wrote that he had to accept the award first before we should call his character in to question! Unfortunately—and this is probably my cynicism overwhelming me this morning—, I doubt he'll decline the award. He'll probably go out there, accept it with a face full of phony humility and barely-constrained vanity, wow everyone with a heartfelt speech promoting ideals of homogenized peace and
- Akiva Moskovitz
Aaaaaaaaaaand let the derision begin.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think it's quite a stretch to question the man's character for winning an award he did not seek and was granted to his own complete amazement. One could even make a compelling argument that if he commits himself to living up to the award that it would be, you know, a GOOD thing.
- Kevin Pedraja
So he needs to win an award that he doesn't deserve to get the inspiration to live up to the ideals that the award represents?
- Akiva Moskovitz
If you want to blame the guy for the decisions of others, go right ahead. Logic be damned. I was merely suggesting that it could provide additional motivation. But, please, continue to hate.
- Kevin Pedraja
So because I don't agree with him accepting the award (notice that I haven't faulted him for being chosen for it), it's 'hate'? That's a severe misuse of the word.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva, Also a racist, you racist bastard, you.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm using "hate" in the current, popular, ironic sense. As in "don't be a hater." Cuz I'm hip like that.
- Kevin Pedraja
And, you know, it's all love around FF.
- Kevin Pedraja
I'm pretty disappointed he didn't find a diplomatic way to decline the award.
- Spidra Webster
Spidra, if he did, I'm sure that the GOP would have found a way to criticize him for "insulting" the Nobel committee.
- Kevin Pedraja
Akiva/Spidra, did his acceptance speech and humility change your opinion at all?
- Stephen Mack
No. Saying that you don't feel like you deserve to be grouped in with some of the other Nobel Peace Prize winners but still taking the prize just doesn't cut it for me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Is it because (unlike previous Peace Prize Laureates) he hasn't accomplished world peace?
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
It's because he hasn't accomplished much of anything.
- Akiva Moskovitz
*sigh*
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Was thinking much the same. Obaba will reveal his character only if he declines the Nobel, saying that he hasn't "earned" it yet.
- Larry Hawes
Especially when you consider when they decided on this. He had barely been in office.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Has the Nobel committee given their reasons for the award?
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
This situation is a very sad commentary on society. Global society, not just U.S. We have reached a point where we are rewarding intent and aspirations, not results. This could mark the tipping point in the self-destruction of humankind.
- Larry Hawes
In this particular case it really is about wirled peas, Barry.
- Eric Logan
Barry: Yes http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB...
- Ken Sheppardson
I agree with Kevin. The "Obama opposition" is determined to paint him in a poor light no matter what he does. Had he decllined it would have been an insult and show America to be ungrateful. Instead he has accepted it and now he's shallow, lacks character, blah blah blah. He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't. As an outsider all this bickering just shows how truly pathetic politics in the U.S. has become That is coming from a Canadian where we've just about gotten that down to a science.
- Kenton
I can't find one person who can tell me who won the Nobel Peace Prize last year without consulting Wikipedia, yet somehow we're spinning this as something that "could mark the tipping point in the self-destruction of humankind." Give me a break.
- Ken Sheppardson
"...the self-destruction of humankind." Wow Larry, you need a vacation. This is the Nobel Peace Prize we're talking about here. They awarded this prize to Yasser Arafat. If a bad choice for winner of a prize that really doesn't mean anything is enough to drive the self-destruction of humankind, then we've got way bigger problems. Oh wait, we do have way bigger problems.
- Kenton
Thanks Ken. Akiva, do you take issue with the committee's reasoning? And if so, where? I'll take my answer offline as I'm off for the commute... I may not check back until tomorrow... Be well everyone.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Although I don't necessarily buy into the committee's motives and reasons, it's not up to me to decide such things. I mean, if they can give one out to Arafat, they can give one out to anyone. I take issue with the fact that Obama accepted it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ken & Kenton: Yes, perhaps I'm being a bit dramatic. You're focusing on "who", not "why"? I agree that "who" is essentially irrelevant to this prize (as is the prize itself). The "why" should be important and is, in this case, the reason for my discomfort and concern. Very bad precedent to set.
- Larry Hawes
Theres no way (even for a speaker as gifted as our current President) to refuse The Nobel Prize for Peace with out it being perceived as an insult. One that could undermine much of the (diplomatic) progress that has been made up to this point. Does he "deserve" it? I honestly don't know, but as opposed to criticizing him for accepting it, why not seize on this as an opportunity to make him earn it?
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Interesting point, J. In fact, you can take it a bit further and say that by accepting the prize, he has most likely set himself up to fail because, now that he has accepted it, he'll most likely be unable to live up to the expectations generated by it. Very interesting.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Very well put, J. -- you've captured my opinion perfectly.
- Stephen Mack
Akiva, the Nobel committee's note with the award says they believe he's already earned it: http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB... -- meanwhile, President Obama's acceptance speech makes it clear that he intends to try to live up to those expectations. I believe there's no way he can decline without it being a grave and irreparable insult to the world stage.
- Stephen Mack
J., I made the same point earlier and Akiva ridiculed me for it. But I still think he has a cute baby...
- Kevin Pedraja
Perhaps it is also a statement on the "also running" and the "current climate opposed to world peace in government power" as well as "to one whom we have pinned our hope on and have invested all our broken dreams within". In that case, it is not an award of personal achievement but rather one that is given to make a statement. However, I'm not sure we need any more statements, rather the "poetry must be acted rather than composed." (Chesterton)
- Melanie Reed
@Kevin, true Akiva's (and Rochelle's) baby is awesomely cute ;)
- JSNFLMNG
DEAR COMMITTEE: GIVE THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE TO AUDREY MOSKOVITZ. YOU CAN TELL THIS PLEA IS HEARTFELT BECAUSE IT IS IN ALL CAPS. SHE REPRESENTS INNOCENCE AND PEACE FOR ALL HUMANITY. LOVE and PEACE, me.
- Stephen Mack
Peace and Tranquility 'Tranquility Bass' http://listen.grooveshark.com/#...
- JSNFLMNG
And, for the record, lest anyone be confused, I don't think Obama deserved the award. Call it the last giant F/U to George W. Bush, who the world pretty much thought was a buffoon. I just think it's a stretch to say it reflects a flaw in Obama's character that he accepted it.
- Kevin Pedraja
For the record, I didn't ridicule anyone. I just asked a clarifying question. Secondly, notice that I rather liked J.'s interpretation of the situation which should suggest that I feel that I may have been hasty in calling into question Obama's character. That would be true if it wasn't for things that Obama has done, like lying to AIPAC, etc.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, that may well be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. He's showing his ego by accepting the award? Hell, you have to have a monumental ego to run for political office to begin with, let alone think that you have what it takes to be President of the United States, to say nothing of the first black President. The fact that he hasn't cracked from the pressure he's...
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- Steven Perez
Kevin, you're right the GOP would bitch no matter what so it's best to ignore them and play to the sane. Stephen, I haven't read a transcript, but I just watched some video of his speech. While it's a graceful speech, I still would have tons more respect for Obama had he and his advisors found a diplomatic way to decline the award. Remember that the medal also comes with a large...
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- Spidra Webster
Spidra, he immediately announced the $1.4 million would go to charity. http://friendfeed.com/breakin...
- Stephen Mack
Steven, I am under no requirement to let him have anything. Also, just because his job might require ego doesn't mean that I can't be critical of him for his application of it. I mean, I don't remember people giving Bush's ego a pass just because he was in office.
- Akiva Moskovitz
One of the press asked him after the speech, Stephen, and he walked away without answering. I hadn't seen any news about the amt yet.
- Spidra Webster
I edited to add the link (http://friendfeed.com/breakin...) -- it's $1.4 million, but they haven't announced the charity yet.
- Stephen Mack
The charity to which he donates the money will most likely say a lot about his mindset about the politics of his receiving and accepting the prize.
- Akiva Moskovitz
When Obama acts with the same level of hubris that Bush acted with, then I'd agree with you.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I'd suggest that Obama is the poster child for hubris.
- Akiva Moskovitz
As opposed to, say, Netanyahu?
- Kevin Pedraja
"Hey, Obama. We think you're a pretty cool guy. How about an award you didn't stump for and probably don't deserve?" "Nah, I'm above all that. How about you give it to the next guy down?" Yeah, that's really not egotistical at all, Akiva.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's sit around and compare names until we can determine where in the World Cup of Hubris Obama falls. More than Netanyahu? Less than Houssein? Hmm!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Alternatively, perhaps a team of staffers and advisors spent the morning trying to assess whether declining would be seen as an insult, cause more harm than good, etc. vs the "outrage" among various bloggers, press, and folks who'd find fault with him no matter what he decided to do.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right, Steven, and that's exactly what I suggested he do.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Also, for the record, I don't find fault in him no matter what he decides to do. In fact, if you guys would go back up the thread, you'd find that I changed my mind upon realizing that the repercussions probably would have been worse had he not accepted it as J., Ken, and others pointed out.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Um, Akiva? That was sarcasm.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Oh. Damn. My sarcasm meter was muted.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So, Akiva, how then does Obama express his "overweening pride?" I'm just curious to see how you back up your assertion.
- Kevin Pedraja
I think it's pretty extreme to say that Obama is the poster child for hubris. I don't think Obama believes his own press, for instance. I don't think he's flying too close to the sun.
- Spidra Webster
I never used the phrase 'overweening pride', Kevin.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Spidra, that remark was mostly hyperbole. I do, however, see him as strikingly prideful. There's a fine line between overly prideful and presidential and, with him, it's sometimes blurred.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That is the definition of hubris.
- Kevin Pedraja
I would also like to direct all of you to the very first sentence of my post, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Heh, Akiva, "notice that I rather liked J.'s interpretation of the situation which should suggest that I feel that I may have been hasty in calling into question Obama's character" -- that was too subtle for me. :)
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, I like to fly under the radar sometimes.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Again, examples please. I'm truly interested.
- Kevin Pedraja
Sorry, Kevin, but what you're asking is equivalent to asking me why I find Scarlett Johansson attractive. It's subjective.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That's a cop out, Akiva. If you think he's too prideful, you should at least be able to provide an example or two. It's not that subjective.
- Kevin Pedraja
I don't care if you think it's a cop out, Kevin. I do however humbly apologize that I don't have a record of the moments when I thought to myself, 'Well, he's sure looking egotistical today.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm too lazy to read all 70 comments. Is there a place where Akiva took back the "you have to be blind not to begin to question the man's character" part? Those words imply that his analysis involves minimal subjectivity.
- Bruce Lewis
Nope. I did not take that back. Everyone I know today has been questioning his character based on this. Some people find that it doesn't affect their opinion of his character at all; some find that their opinion of him has improved; and still others have found that their opinion of him has become more negative. Anyone who just sits there and agrees with what he does simply because he's Obama are no better than those who disagree with what he does simply because he's Obama.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I might question his character based on handling of FISA or wiretapping, but I don't think I would have thought about the character implications of failing to turn down the Nobel prize if not for the FriendFeed comments I see about it. Only after reading those did I think and find my opinion unaffected. Johnny's wikipedia quote helped too.
- Bruce Lewis
Well, there ya go, then. That's what this is all about. You read some stuff, you read some other stuff, you formulate your own opinion. For some reason, though, some people have trouble doing that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
However, Bruce, now that I think about it, I see those issues independently. The Nobel Peace Prize is a personal award; it's distinct from the Office of the US President. It's for that reason I questioned his character. Wiretapping or FISA or other issues are political issues and issues relating to his job. To me, those are two different things (although, of course, there's some overlap to be expected).
- Akiva Moskovitz
But to clarify your original post, suppose I hadn't read the character-questioning comments on FriendFeed. Suppose it never crossed my mind to raise the character question? Would you say I was blind?
- Bruce Lewis
C'mon, Akiva. I'm not picking on you, but jeesh, you make a sweeping statement like Obama is the poster child for hubris and then you can't provide even the least bit of factual evidence to support your statement. You're in Glenn Beck territory now.
- Kevin Pedraja
What would Bartlet do?
- veo
Interestingly, veo, Martin Sheen has done a lot more time on the front lines of anti-war activities than Obama has, I believe.
- Spidra Webster
I'd have to disagree, abandoning the missile defense shield program which would have rushed the world into another arms race has a huge impact now and for the future, it shouldn't be marginalized that in and of itself sets a global tenor for peace.
- sofarsoShawn
As well Obama's backing of multi-lateral institutions & his outreach to the muslim world are significant; and taking a look at the other candidates, I would judge as well it's a fair choice. Barlet however...he'd have us all singing arm in arm "It's a Small World". WWBD
- sofarsoShawn
"This could mark the tipping point in the self-destruction of humankind." ROFL
- Andrew C
Kevin, Glenn Beck? Oy vey.
- Akiva Moskovitz
At any rate, any things that I do bring up will invite a swath of commentary, argument, debate, and so forth. Worthy topics all, I'm sure, but probably deserving of their own threads. I'm done with political discussion for now, though. The weekend's here!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Interesting thread. It was like a Gumpian box of chocolates.
- Micah Wittman
Yes, thanks Akiva. Enjoy the weekend, your babby and your blushing bride. I will hoist a Curveball at Pyramid in your honor tonight.
- Kevin Pedraja
Hell yeah!
- Akiva Moskovitz
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