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I'll be posting info here. - Robert Scoble

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See, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about: http://friendfeed.com/otto42... :) - Otto

Al işte robert scoble da kopardı kayışı :) (çağdaş uğraşmıyorum sen tercüme ediver :P) - kaloglu[twitter]

please post to the iSlate Friendfeed Group http://friendfeed.com/islate-... - Hans Kainz

twitter is dragging big time now - Ryan

Yeah, Twitter is slow slow slow. - Robert Scoble

Robert..What benchmark do you use for best live coverage? - Jim Posner

hey scoble, long time no talk :). what do you all think abt steve announcing retirement today? - Robbie Trencheny

Cool! Any opinions on what's the best live stream to watch for coverage? - .LAG liked that

LAG: right here. I will post whenever someone has good live stuff. - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert - Keith Teare

Also: Oracle+Sun. - Bill Jackson

Right now Leo Laporte has best live stream - Robert Scoble

Shame we can't get recent comments at top - Keith Teare

@LAG http://live.gizmodo.com, http://live.twit.com, http://www.ustream.tv/leolapo... - Robbie Trencheny

Hi Keith, yeah, FriendFeed has a lot of UI things that bug me too. - Robert Scoble

or here yeah - Robbie Trencheny

@LAG i think http://live.twit.tv/ but you can also check it here http://hans.li/28 - Hans Kainz

Do you think gdgt will have the best inside coverage? - Jim Posner

@Robert - i made a list of twitterers covering the event live, then threw it in my blog: http://www.livedigitally.com/2010... - Jeremy Toeman

Stephen Fry is there apparently. Hah - Jalada

and direct link to the list: http://twitter.com/jtoeman... - Jeremy Toeman

Robbie: I'm posting the best Tweets to http://twitter.com/scoblei... Jeremy, that's a cool small list. My list of tech journalists is more complete. - Robert Scoble

Keith, if your in the feed, click on timestamp, then click timestamp again. The comments will pin to the bottom. - Micah

@Robert - but my list is just people covering it. yours has me in it (sweet!), and i won't be covering it... - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: Thanks, added that to what I'm watching - Jalada

Anyone listening to the live event on techcrunch? #AppleLive http://bit.ly/4pmTaR - BlausenGroup

Jeremy: hopefully you'll add more cause I've seen a few tech journalists who are there who aren't on your list. - Robert Scoble

Cloud integration getting lot's of coverage. I hope it happens..Will really ignite cloud adoption. - Jim Posner

I'd rather have a tablet a day to keep me healthy - Swaroop

Apple "flavored" tablet that is. - Swaroop

I'll be watching. I have Leo on my tv but you know what's all weird abut this coverage? EVERYONE is excited about it! Even non-apple peeps. I think we're all hoping for something that will change our lives tangibly. - Sheryl

@Robert - planning to, it's incredibly hard sifting through twitter search to find who is *actually* there versus who is just RTing others - Jeremy Toeman

This is Raju from iSites Team. How are you guys doing? - Raju Sagiraju

I'm in Sydney, Australia right now. The TWIT stream doesn't work and the audio stream doesn't appear to work at all. - Gary

I'm in Canada just up the road and it works fine here, sorry to hear your struggling with the feed. - Owen Greaves

I would pay to watch a live stream of the apple event! - Raju Sagiraju

History has it that the Apple -Eve saw changed.... ! Apple is going to change communications and... ! - kailas desai

thanks Scobleizer... I'll stay on this thread then! - .LAG liked that

i've got Scoble's tech-news-people list running on http://twitterfall.com (disc: I'm the lead developer there ;) ) - Jalada

@HansKainz... thanks for the link, opening up a new window for that... thank goodness I have a 30-inch monitor :) - .LAG liked that

I'm monitoring #AppleLive on Twitter, Robert Scoble on FriendFeed and Twit.tv - Owen Greaves

Bunch of iPhone blog editors talking the announcements here: http://friendfeed.com/2010-01... - 148Apps

@Jalada - can you add mine too by any chance? http://twitter.com/jtoeman... - Jeremy Toeman

Jeremy: Oh yeah, sorry, I am running that too :D - Jalada

Has anyone seen our Blausen Human Atlas on the itablet yet? Interested in feedback - BlausenGroup

@Jalada how do i find it? - Jeremy Toeman

GUys, Leo Laporte has over 20000 viewers on his site! - Mark

Jeremy - on Twitterfall you can add lists to view in realtime by just typing the name in the lists text box on the left :) - Jalada

e.g. @jtoeman/appletabletlive - Jalada

these are the latest from an hour ago...http://i.gizmodo.com/5458217... - Ryan

got it - cool! - Jeremy Toeman

How long before they let everyone in ? - fmclean from iPhone

apple store still up - Ryan

Ryan: It's the big surprise - no new product today ;) - Jalada

Happy apple day everyone :) - Hitesh Parashar

thanks @rene - Keith Teare

Hitesh or maybe they're announcing v2 of the Apple HiFi - Mike Doeff

surely that's iHiFi? - Roger Pettett from twhirl

Mike - yeah that explains the excitement :) - Hitesh Parashar

I'm broadcasting live from http://ustream.tv/scobleizer now, let me know if you can hear it OK. - Robert Scoble

yup can hear it fine - Jalada

Apple may really need to make this tablet a success since less than extraordinary iPhone shipments in this last quarter may point to rival phones blocking further iPhone steep incline. - Tim Jones

Ooooh only a few minutes till Apple tablet news kicks off. Can't wait to see what Job's reveals - Susan Beebe

The Apple announcement brought FF down for a while:-) - Francine Hardaway

Google Wave anybody ? - Kashif Khan

it's up and down - James Prudente

would love to see the carriers' net utilization stats during this thing... - Eric

Please post a Wave URL if you've got one. - Steve and 4 other people

Using http://friendfeed.com/iphone is a bit more reliable, but not realtime. - Steve and 4 other people

And here we are. Thanks! - Jon Winters

live.twit.tv not responding. - Micah

Micah: ustream is struggling. - Robert Scoble

Listening to Leo LaPorte & following Scoble here & Gizmodo - Rosalinda Mojarro

Can't get twit.am to load via iphone here - Ryan

Nice live, auto-updating coverage with pics at GDGT: http://live.gdgt.com/2010... *Found this link in Robert's FF! - Kurt Starnes

So much for real time streaming and commenting. Now we know where the network breaks down in an "emergency" - Francine Hardaway

well i have a public wave set up here https://wave.google.com/wave... - Kashif Khan

I can't believe Steve Jobs hasn't taken over the live-streaming part of the presentation. My memories are going to be of Leo's voice getting lost in the digital haze. - Ian McGee

Scoble, cant hear you at ustream. - Jayasimhan Masilamani

Pretty good audio at live.twit.tv - Mike Doeff

i dont think friendfeed is used to this much activity anymore. site is failing for me non-stop. but i will say my simple list of 22 people is giving me a very *readable* way to follow the news... - Jeremy Toeman

I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that there's no one dedicated to minding the store anymore. - Akiva

Apple is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD. - Lakshman Prasad

friendfeed's working fine here - Tim Jones

The site crashing is troublesome. Sign of the current state of FF. - Mark Krynsky

all the live news sites are busted hah - Allen Stern

Lakshman- I thought Nokia is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD, mobile being phones here. As for laptops, it would be one of the PC makers. - Tim Jones

http://live.gdgt.com is fine - Jalada

Doh - live.twit.tv lost the audio - Mike Doeff

I'm watching live blog here http://www.engadget.com/2010... it's better than any live tv or any other shit i have been trying so far... - Junal Rahman

http://live.twit.tv & http://live.gdgt.com/2010... are the best online resources I've found. The 2 combined is great. - Mark Krynsky

Both Twit & GDGT working for me. - Mark Krynsky

live.twit.tv is down - can't get there. - Debi Jones

ipad!!!! - Jayasimhan Masilamani

the crunchgear livestream is pretty bad... - Allen Stern

Oh look it's a giant iPhone - Jalada

damn gdgt is slick - Allen Stern

iPad! - Parth Awasthi

http://live.twit.tv/ - Rosalinda Mojarro

A tablet? Didn't see that one coming... - Jemm

ha! Twitter crashed! - .LAG liked that

I REALLY wanted them to not announce one :P hah - Jalada

It's more beautiful than my girlfriend! - Aycan Çevik

Even the calendar looks great - Mike Doeff

aycan - it is my girlfriend - Allen Stern

it's Fujitsu's iPad! - Tim Jones

FriendFeed is back. - Simon Cahuk

Hmm, I'm guessing the iPad will support Flash or else...total FAIL! - Mark Krynsky

I'm sticking with the JooJoo :) - Mike Doeff

FriendFeed crashed. GDGT is doing best job. - Robert Scoble

...so it's about 17-inches diagonal? - .LAG liked that

why is he describing these things like they're new - we've seen them on the iPhone - Andrew Terry

waiting for Flash - Tim Jones

broadcasting on CNBC right now. - Thomas Hawk

No flash. - Jeff P. Henderson

No Flash on device. - Robert Scoble

CNBC just cut feed of jobs, talking about it now. - Thomas Hawk

Besides it being a larger, slightly tweaked iPhone; why should I buy this? I really don't like how it looks exactly like a blown up iPhone. - Joshua

AAPL stock down $5 per share. - Thomas Hawk

Uh oh...@mmastrac just told me Engadget showed a missing plugin flash icon in a screenshot. - Mark Krynsky

ipad.apple.com. Nothing. - Aycan Çevik

CNBC: Steve Jobs looks much better, far more robust than the last time we saw him. - Thomas Hawk

when u guys say flash do you mean Adobe Flash or Flash drive? - Allen Stern

So far nothing that is different to a normal tablet - Mark

The software is key - Mark

CNBC: Steve Jobs is the modern day snake oil salesman. - Thomas Hawk

So far a little underwhelming imo - Kashif Khan

Yup, software is key, but so far haven't seen much revolutionary. - Robert Scoble

$aapl always goes down on the announcement after a run up in the weeks before. - Keith Teare

No Flash = TOTAL FAIL! It will be a long time for HTML 5 to take over. - Mark Krynsky

Adobe - Jalada

No flash? My #1 goal for one of these would be watching TV on Megavideo. - Daniel J. Pritchett

is this on the cnbc.com Thom? - Mark

Thomas: any live stream on the web? - Robert Scoble

The whole internet in the palm of your hand, unless you want to visit a web site with flash. - Jon Winters

Doesn't look like it has a video camera - Keith Teare

not sure, watching CNBC live on TV. Can't find a live stream anywhere. - Thomas Hawk

did he confirm no flash? - Mark

Waiting for the punchline. How much $$$ ? - Mike Doeff

Mark: If Apple keeps pushing away from Flash, than HTML5 will take over quicker than we know. - Joshua

Folks please don't get carried away. so far its just a tablet pc, there have been MANY tablet pcs. - Mark

It's just CNBC talking about it though. Paul Kredrodsky talking about it with CNBC live from the event. - Thomas Hawk

Live audio here: http://live.twit.tv/ - Kurt Starnes

they are debating what it will price at. - Thomas Hawk

Daring Fireball has a great explanation as to why Apple and Adobe are at odds over Flash, good read, if you're interested in why Flash is a problem for Apple: http://ff.im/-ePkYc - .LAG liked that

fox business is showing some tape-delayed video live - Allen Stern

Just a tablet PC like iPhone was just a mobile phone (Note: take a look at almost every smart phone since iPhone launch) - Kurt Starnes

The price cant be high for a blank slate. - Mark

Yes, Gruber has a very good explanation about Flash and Apple. - Simon Cahuk

And whats with the huge bezel? - Mark

CNBC: I think the name iPad is a mistake. Sue Herera: it reminds me of feminine products. - Thomas Hawk

LAG...users won't be sympathetic to why Apple and Adobe are at odds...missing Flash is a dealbreaker. - Mark Krynsky

I have one pill for all clinical apple fanboys (be it even whole usa population) - button HIDE - A. T.

listening to laporte's ustream. i just yawned, but it could just be that i slept late last night - Tim Jones

"Apple Drops an iDud" is a funny headline - Mark

We will talk about this at http://ustream.tv/scobleizer - Robert Scoble

Joshua...HTML 5 won't happen fast enough for the iPad... - Mark Krynsky

But I think the price for iPad will be high :). - Simon Cahuk

9.7" display - David Damore

Did I hear that right? - David Damore

0.5-inches thin, weighs just 1.5 pounds. - .LAG liked that

Adobe has invited me to a Flash event in February that's going to be a pretty big deal, but no iPhone. - Robert Scoble

good question by mossberg - does this ipad take away sales from the ipod tuch ? - Allen Stern

There can't be any Flash. It's based on the iPhone OS, which currently doesn't have that capability either. What a surprise. Not really. - LANjackal

100,000 peopel are watching TWIT Live - Mark

CNBC: 10 hours of battery life. - Thomas Hawk

10 hours of battery life? With wifi on? - Robert Scoble

iPad runs a custom Apple chip -- the A4. That has to be a first - ever? - Kurt Starnes

108,000 + viewers on TWiT Ustream channel. - Debi Jones

a 1ghz chip :( - Mark

Mark Krynsky... I agree with you of the deal-breaking aspect of no Flash - .LAG liked that

Wow: http://www.apple.com/downloa... - James

this will boost sales of the Touch - Bill Koslosky, MD

Mark - a custom chip though - Jalada

can a 1ghz chip play HD video? - Mark

I know my 1.4ghz atom struggles with 720p - Mark

Pixel doubling? Are you serious? Runs apps at essentially 320x480? "Black box" 1:1 in the center of the screen? This is a joke. - Steve and 4 other people

It is A4, an Audi, so yes, it can play HD video :). - Simon Cahuk

Price? Shipping date? - Francine Hardaway

lol! Pixel doubling! We used to do that making DOS games back in the day - Mark

so, wait... no 3g? - Andrew Terry

Pathetic. - Mark

Allen, I think the answer to your question about iPad robbing Touch sales will be a resounding no as soon as we hear the price point. - Mark Krynsky

battery life 10 hours? realistic? o_O - Ronald

340x960 resolution for the tablet then ? - Mark

How many iPhone apps can be on the screen and running at the same time? - David Damore

CNBC speculating on the price at $1,000. - Thomas Hawk

Figures that number would be unlimited ... - LANjackal from IM

i think most of the existing iPhone apps have to be rewrite for iPad to get the full screen advantage - Junal Rahman

Multitouch (multiplayer multitouch) - Robert Scoble

who won the kindle - Joseph from twhirl

good point mark - Allen Stern

My guess: $799 - Mike Doeff

Honestly? So far, I'm pretty disappointed. - Joshua

conflicted. with a 10 hr battery i can see this replacing a kindle. but I'm pretty happy reading on my nexus. Do I want to go back to carrying a 10" screen? - Ben Reierson

Rewriting apps for screen resolutions? Won't that result in "fragmentation" of the App Store market? I mean, that's what tech journos have been beating Android over the head with for the past 6 months or so - LANjackal from IM

Robert, isn't that called Twister? - Akiva

"How many iPhone apps can be on the screen and running at the same time?" One. No apps running in the background. - James

fox business guy bashing the ipad for no keyboard and light gig memory - Allen Stern

i'd bet the people who can shell out for a kindle will run for an ipad - Allen Stern

@LANjackal it will be all packed in a fat executable, both low and hi res - ↂGiorgiँ Zarrelliↂ

Can the iPad dial your iPhone from it's adress book? - Jon Winters

I honestly was hoping for a tweaked Touch Ready OS X. Not what feels like a port of the iPhone. - Joshua

Eh...so far I'm not impressed and don't see anything revolutionary. Sure this device is pretty but I'm already thinking if it's priced any higher than $500 I'm declaring it only a device for early adopters and Fanboys. - Mark Krynsky

It would be cool if you could run apps side by side. Twitter app and a news app etc. Take advantage of the big screen and not need to resize native iPhone apps. - David Damore

Have they mentioned it's internet connection? Wi-Fi or something else? - Jon Winters

apple stock up 2,170% since 2003 - holy crap. - Allen Stern

Leo's feed is finally showing video from event. - Robert Scoble

david - scoble will have 3 ipads taped together for mobile usage to mirror his home setup :-P - Allen Stern

This thing is going after the Xbox. - Robert Scoble

It's about what I expected. Price is really the key here...and if you need a Mobile Contract. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

This points up the convenience of a smart phone, at 1/4 the price. - Bill Koslosky, MD

Live video from inside; EA demo at http://www.ustream.tv/leolapo... - Ian McGee

Apple stock is dropping FAST! Not good. I want one...no matter what anyone else says. I think it would be cool. - Sheryl

iPad Fans join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages... - Hans Kainz

im guessing sxsw will be renamed - iPadsw - Allen Stern

Robert - no, it's going after DS Lite and PSP - Andrew Terry

Apple is 30 minutes into their iPad presentation. The stock is down 2.5%, so Apple has lost $4 BILLION in market cap over the last 30 min. From @hotzington - Mark

"Going after the Xbox" Yeah when either device has half the capabilities of the other, let me know. Don't be ridiculous - LANjackal from IM

Maybe we should buy the stock, wait for it to go back up, sell, then buy an iPad? - Robert Scoble

Wait LOOK!!! There's more than just Apple!! http://friendfeed.com/got-mem... - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

no way xbox - maybe a nintendo ds - the thing is - if this thing does iphone voice - then maybe people buy this instead of an iphone? - Allen Stern

Here we go; wave goodbye to the Kindle... - Andrew Terry

There is actually an iPad listed on Apple's website, but it is just a little different - check it out here http://bit.ly/d6f66J - Arun

iPad is going to be a big deal -- much more than the specs alone reveal. - Kurt Starnes

somewhere Jeff Bezos sits, perspiring. - Parth Awasthi

Not impressed at all. A big "meh" - Spencer

So reading is NOT the killer feature - Mark

I was happy reading on my Touch a year ago. The Kindle app is really sweet. - Daniel J. Pritchett

to me the kindle is a "rich" device meaning the avg american isn't buying it - same with the ipad so it works perfectly - those with kindle money will run to the ipad - Allen Stern

wow so apple is now going to fight amazon - i hope amazon kicks apples ass :) - Allen Stern

Yea right Mark...cold day in hell when Apple would do that. - Mark Krynsky

@Allen Stern +3 Re: "scoble will have 3 ipads taped together" - David Damore

the price for the new 10" ipod touch ? - tony bland

iPad is a new platform -- I bet it's where Apple wants to take personal computing - Kurt Starnes

you're going to give a presentation with your audience huddled around a 9" handheld device..? Really? - Andrew Terry

will ipad apps work on the ipod touch/ iphone ? - tony bland

Andrew: and that is going after the Xbox too. Just watch how Microsoft reacts to this. Microsoft wanted to do an Xbox portable. - Robert Scoble

mememe for the kindle - Joseph from twhirl

My sons already have been using Xbox less since iPhones came out. iPads will steal even more time from Xbox. - Robert Scoble

There are no buttons on it! you can't do serious gaming without buttons. - Mark

Andrew - do you give presentations around a laptop screen? - Kurt Starnes

@Kurt: into a brave new world in which every app will need their approval? Sounds like a nightmare for "personal computing" IMO. I hope you're wrong - LANjackal from IM

wait, you can rotate and resize photos with touch?! Amazing! - Ben Reierson

LAN - I mean the way people use computers. The mouse/hard-keyboard UI is old fashioned, IMO - Kurt Starnes

+++Krynsky "No Flash = TOTAL FAIL! It will be a long time for HTML 5 to take over. " -- The size of the tablet makes it a natural for web browsing - except for lack of flash support. It was disappointing in the iPhone but quite ridiculous in the iPad. I don't "love" flash but it's a fact of life on the web. - Richard Walker

all my 12 yr old son plays these days is Modern Warfare 2 - Tim Jones

I'm with you on your commentary Allen...btw you going to SXSW? Good time having lunch with you last year. - Mark Krynsky

Robert, that's just incidental, in the same way you'll probably watch less TV if you buy an ATV and decide to go riding around in it often. Doesn't mean the ATV and TV manufacturers are in competition. Sheesh - LANjackal from IM

Kurt - no; not around a laptop, but I do swing it around so the screen is facing my audience.. - Andrew Terry

A computer with a 1GHZ cpu. It's a bit 2001. - Mark

LAN - And, I am hopeful that iPad is not locked down the way iPhone is! - Kurt Starnes

I bet the HP Slate has flash *gunshots* - LANjackal from IM

iWork on the iPad....YAWN...what else? - Mark Krynsky

Mark - I think we'll have to use one to make a reasonable judgment on the chip - Kurt Starnes

Just saw the pics of the iPad over on Engadget. Sweet Jebus, that thing is ugly. It's got like 2 inches of border around the thing. From the pics, I'm betting it's locked down too, with apps from a new App Store. Epic Fail. - Otto

Jobs hates flash, there was no way he would put it on this device - Kim Landwehr

where is the camera? - Markus Kobler

Thinking... The iPad attaches to your MacBook as a second display with seamless integration Photographers can edit photos directly with their fingers. - Jon Winters

Kurt: It uses the iPhone OS, which means it'll probably also use the App Store. Which means it'll be just as locked down. - LANjackal from IM

Jon - that would be a) very cool and b) make total sense - Andrew Terry

Biggest deal so far - unless it is still to come - no camera so no ichat - Keith Teare

Otto: same app store. - Robert Scoble

I have very little problem with the iPhone being locked down, so I doubt it will be an issue for me with the iPad. - Jeff P. Henderson

@Jon Winters wifi 802.11n; still no price tho - brainno722 (Peter)

Hah. $9.99 for iWork. - Robert Scoble

That would make sense, actually - LANjackal from IM

No clear what screen res is. implied 2 x iphone 3gs, so 960x640??? - Keith Teare

Each app. - Robert Scoble

sub-HD in other words, and not widescreen, - Mark

.11n's an honest plus - LANjackal from IM

Ah - Kurt - he just said you can connect to a projector via a cable... problem solved - Andrew Terry

Will be 3G models - Kurt Starnes

subscription data. UGH! - TranceMist

Unlimited Data plan for $29 - Kurt Starnes

Another monthly fee for you apple guys to get net - Mark

no contract unlimited data! - Vezquex

And can cancel anytime. - Robert Scoble

All iPads unlocked GSM - Kurt Starnes

This makes me want a MiFi. - Daniel J. Pritchett

lan olm flood yapmayın flood banlarım sizi, bak hala la yörü - Emre Savaş

250MB a month is lolable. - Mark

Whats 250MB divided by 30 days ? - Mark

Unless it's being sold through carriers (and hence subsidized) this thing's gonna be expensive. Def not an impulse by for most people - LANjackal from IM

I still do not understand why they can't make these things (both iPhone and this new thing) "sync" via WiFi. Why must I connect the thing to my computer? They're on the same network FFS! Making me use a USB cable is just frickin' stupid. - Otto

Great deal on dataplan - I'll carry one around, may replace my laptop eventually - Kurt Starnes

Data plans seem somewhat reasonable when you consider WiFi in most cases. Still in bed with AT&T though. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

less than 999 - Vezquex

Now I'm hearing $9.99 for apps ... guess how much I paid for the apps on my DROID? $0. The only apps I pay for now are Evernote and Office on my PC. Period. - LANjackal from IM

??! - Vezquex

fuck year 500 - Vezquex

Well 499 is a different story. - Todd Hoff

$499!!!!!! - Kurt Starnes

Otto: probably because it might make DRM harder to implement. It's a lot easier to verify hardware that's physically connected to the machine, than to verify a client that you can't touch - LANjackal from IM

Sold! - Kurt Starnes

$499!!! Suddenly it's a winner! - Andrew Terry

$15 for 250MB is still overpriced. I get 1 GB for 10 EUR (pre-paid plan). - Nils Sandin

$829 for 3G 64GB - Kurt Starnes

2-3 months - Vezquex

so at&t takes a hit on the monthly but gobbles up $130 extra per pad - Allen Stern

too many models - Bill Koslosky, MD

499 for 16 GB version... - Wang Yip

$829 for the good one; NO CAMERA = underwhelming - ryangraves

keyboard charging dock. clever girl - Vezquex

You guys might wanna ask Sony how well a $499 price works for a non-PC mass market product. - LANjackal from IM

@LANjackal: The problem there is that that system backfires. I specifically do not buy media on the iTunes store because of the "must sync to the computer" problem. I don't connect my gear to my computer, ever. I haven't hooked my phone up since the first day I got the thing (and jailbroke it). I very likely never will hook it up again, because there's no point. Also, if they need verification, then a simple 2-key cryptographic system could be made to work easily enough. - Otto

Are there iPhone apps for DSLR tethering? - Jon Winters

Biggie Sized iPhone without the Phone ?????? - Owen Greaves

Optional solar-powered case? Wait for it... ;-) - Ian McGee

Owen, with 3G model I am guessing one could connect with a Bluetooth earpiece - Kurt Starnes

what happened to the remarkable UI? - Bill Koslosky, MD

whats the big deal about sync to the computer, its not that hard, people make it sound like its worst then pulling teeth. - Kim Landwehr

Owen, who said no phone? It has a microphone and 3G. - Vezquex

I agree with you, Otto. I was only stating a reason for the lack of capability - LANjackal from IM

No camera is a blunder, IMO. Has no camera been confirmed? - Kurt Starnes

Lanjackal: Zing! - Joshua

The Cure? - Jon Winters

$829!!?? EL OH EL that's more than my rent right now. - LANjackal from IM

No cloud and no wifi syncing sucks too. I hate plugging things in when there's perfectly good air all around me. - Todd Hoff

Kurt: would you really use it as a camera? The form factor's totally wrong - LANjackal from IM

Still 1 app at a time? - ryangraves

Wrong for that purpose, I meant - LANjackal from IM

+1 Otto - I use my iPhone daily and I haven't synced it in months. It's jailbroken. I also can't stand the regular iTunes updates I keep getting - they update the program more often than I start it. - Daniel J. Pritchett

I'm pretty sure people are looking for a webcam LAN, not a DSLR - Daniel J. Pritchett

No multi-tasking? Are they serious? Holy hell, that's inane. - Otto

my $300 netbook w/ Kindle for PC works for me - Tim Jones

LAN -- for tele-Skype, yes. - Kurt Starnes

Please, just improve the iPhone and iTouch. The first time you drop the iPad will be the last. The mobile sites for the NYTimes are good enough for me. I don't need the Flash ads. If you're in public, you can't set it down, you can't put it in your pocket. - Bill Koslosky, MD

Yep, iPad = Giant iPhone (exactly as I wanted / predicted) - didn't get camera tho = iFail - Susan Beebe

K I'm with you guys on the webcam idea. - LANjackal from IM

Bill -- I don't have a very good record with any dropped computer, except iPhone and other cell phones, surviving drops. - Kurt Starnes

aww, TWiT lost the feed. - Vezquex

iPad = iMeh - Bill Koslosky, MD

was that Leo Laporte filming? - Vezquex

All things considered, I'm pretty underwhelmed... it's a big iPod, but not as portable. - Andrew Terry

How long until I can run Android on it? :-P - TranceMist

Can't wait to get a hold of one. Take care folks. - Kurt Starnes

Should have shocked everyone with a name nobody expected: The iNewton - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

No multitasking? Wow. How bad of a product release is this? A $500 - $830 device that's completely locked down and can't multitask or webcam? And as some people on Twitter are pointing out: iPad? Really? Were there any women in the original focus group? - LANjackal from IM

Everyone laughed at the Palm Folio. - Jon Winters

AT&T sucks ass. - Thomas Hawk from iPhone

AT&T suckage depends on where you are. Here in Memphis, for example. AT&T is quite good. I get ridiculous speeds off the 3G and never have a dropped call. When I travel to Atlanta, the experience there is quite different. - Otto

iPad is not the netbook killer - Tim Jones

Kurt: I can only see this as a household device. If you prop this thing up with its case at a Starbucks table, looks like trouble. No video-conferencing, but prob in the next version. - Bill Koslosky, MD

I bet iPad is the netbook killer, Tim Jones. - Vezquex

"I don't see this leaving the house too often," says Leo. But he thinks it's the "ultimate airplane device." - Bill Koslosky, MD

Scoble's Nexus One ustream streaming quality is better than his iPad streaming quality right now - Tim Jones

any announcments about iPhone's moving to other carriers? - Amani from IM

Expect an iPad killer from Google within 6 months. - Jim Posner

Household users, Airplane users, student users, personal entertainment users, ebook reades, basic laptop users....that's a pretty huge market. - Leif Hansen

New Apple Home Page http://www.apple.com/ - Rosalinda Mojarro

+1 Otto on the Memphis 3G. I get silky smooth service and I always have to remind myself about the problems in larger markets. - Daniel J. Pritchett

What does this do for the Kindle, Nook and all the other e-ink readers? I'd say they're in trouble. Except for reading a textbook, I think a device just 2x larger than the iTouch would be more convenient. - Bill Koslosky, MD

@Bill I'd agree mostly on the ebook readers. But there is something *really* nice on the eyes with e-ink that I'm hesitant to give up (and go back to zombie brain lit screens). - Leif Hansen

Leo Laporte just said that it's an incredible device when you actually get your hands on it... beautiful, light, incrediblly responsive screen... I'll wait until I get to play with one before judging on what it lacks, and whether or not that's detrimental - .LAG liked that

Apple stock went from being down to now being up $3.12. As soon as the price came out the stock turned and went up. - Thomas Hawk

iPad does not support T-Mobile's 1700 GHz 3G frequencies - TranceMist

Ummmm ok ... I can think of many incredible, beautiful devices that I have no use for. This is another one of them. The iPhone, yes. The iPad? No. Not at that price point, at least - LANjackal from IM

Thomas ...isn't a lot of the stock movement in the last couple of hours really just speculators betting on what was going to officially get announced today? - .LAG liked that

Is there a GPS? - Todd Hoff

No shit it doesn't. T-Mobile's gone all in with Android - LANjackal from IM

I didn't hear when Apple would allow people to order the iPad. Did anyone else? - Jeff P. Henderson

the specs dont list GPS capabilities. Am I wrong ? - Kashif Khan

Jeff: I think someone said 1 - 3 months earlier in the thread - LANjackal from IM

@.LAG liked that, I think the stock move has to do with the price. The market liked the $499 price more than the speculated higher $1,000 price. It was down until the price was announced then it turned up. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas... makes sense. $499 is a price that will probably move lots of units - .LAG liked that

No it won't. Ask Sony what happened with their $500 price point for the PS3. $500 is not an impulse buy. For that you have to be at $299 or below - LANjackal from IM

Giant iPod. Hopefully an OS refresh will unlock some goodness. Otherwise? This is a shiny paperweight. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

+1 - LANjackal from IM

They've not updated the UK store yet with info about the ipad. A little let down about the lack of bluetooth connection to a dekstop/laptop mac for use as an input device. Also, not bothered about the 3G version as I'd rather buy a mifi and use that saving myself cash and letting more devices access the net on the go ;) - alphaxion

Oh. And KILLER wood paneling! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Next? Steve Jobs brings back the <BLINK> tag. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

It would be cool if I could get a mifi-type device with a $15/30 per month no-contract billing option. That would make all of these devices tempting. - Daniel J. Pritchett

here in the UK 3 offer a mifi with a 1 month rolling contract, 5Gb per month limit with £40 up front for the mifi or a pay as you go mifi for £70 up front - alphaxion

That sounds sweet alpha, I think here it's like $60/mo. with a long-term contract. Let me double-check that. Edit: Looks like the minimum mifi contract is $40/mo. for 250MB and it doesn't say how long the contract lasts. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c... - Daniel J. Pritchett

http://www.three.co.uk/Mobile_... once I get myself a job I'll be buying one. - alphaxion

yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas Hawk

orange - Mike Chelen

This was always Steve's/Apple's vision, 20 years on will work??? of course it will Apple have got the consumer mesmerized. - VirtualPeople

Our post-keynote discussion with Google's Don Dodge and str.ate.gy's Elizabeth Brooks is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... - Robert Scoble

BWAHAHAHAH! The iPad, with built in virus protection! LOL... http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Otto

Good points over on Gizmodo as to why it is not a complete win. - Martha

sen de mi be hacı - dolly

hahaha yasu budur ahahahahaha:D - dolly

valla bu apple manyakları dünyayı sarmış bizimkilere de elma lazım haklısın tabiyki dee - dolly

How to use iPad-->http://ff.im/eX6qo - Yunus YAMANER (CITRIL)

is there no way of buying the low end model and adding in an sdxc card to bump it up to 64GB? Having no camera is ridiculous and as usual you are locked into the apple ecosystem. Once again you either love the way they do things or you don't. It will be a popular device, but I'm always amazed at how many people are quite happy with Apple's walled garden. This is what killed them in the... more... - Phil Ashman

There is an SD card reader peripheral included. - Vezquex

:) - ★ Soner Gönül

hmm... it also doesn't look like it supports multiple user profiles and it's *still* tethered to a single machine with itunes. - alphaxion

Orange. The tablet still doesn't work well as the video livestream interface between my DVCam and whatever RMTP server I need to transmit to. Seriously whatever, as far as I'm concerned. - Rich Reader

I *gulp* miss Scoble. - Kevin Fox

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Feedburner count dropped / halved on many blogs, no status update on Feedburner Blog: http://feedburnerstatus.blogspot.com/

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they either stopped showing FriendFeed numbers or they just haven't imported the FriendFeed numbers today. - Gary

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I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:

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He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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I like how this is starting - Robert DeBord

o0o0o0 - Mark

as its own service? - Lee

you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death - Mark

That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember) - RobinDotNet

A promise is not a guarantee. - Amit Morson

Such a tease, Robert. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease. - Akiva

Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke. - Louis Gray

Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by. - Akiva

Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Continue just as it is? Or with key changes? - Karma Martell

I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs. - Louis Gray

If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert. - Rochelle

Soon. - Louis Gray

I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down - Stephen Pickering

Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive! - michael sean wright

How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no? - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die - Stephen Pickering

Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what. - Nir Ben Yona

They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday. - Louis Gray

Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much. - Akiva

That was a great post Louis - Stephen Pickering

Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important. - Louis Gray

Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word. - Kol Tregaskes

Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now. - RobinDotNet

Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info. - Mark Edwards

I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed. - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point? - Kol Tregaskes

And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store. - Akiva

was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it - Mark

I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Stable Door and Horse comes to mind. - Kevin J Hatton

The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point. - Ken Sheppardson

Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap. - Louis Gray

In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway - Stephen Pickering

Robert, OK but maybe at some point though. - Kol Tregaskes

I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely. - Jason Nunnelley

Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing. - Louis Gray

Robert, What about death and taxes? - RobinDotNet

Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be - Robert Anderson

Robert, true. All a bit vague still though. - Kol Tregaskes

Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate. - Gary

Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure - Stephen Pickering

Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now. - Louis Gray

If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it - Stephen Pickering

Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway. - Louis Gray

Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF. - Kol Tregaskes

And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :) - Louis Gray

But this service grows more useful the more users there are - Stephen Pickering

Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has. - Frode Stenstrøm

Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up. - Rodfather

Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon. - Louis Gray

I've heard the same from another founder, Robert. - Anne Bouey

Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF. - Kol Tregaskes

They didn't want to work for google again. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done - courtney benson

Kinda why they left. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social - Stephen Pickering

It's all wonky and hard to understand - Stephen Pickering

But GR is going in that direction. - Kol Tregaskes

Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone. - Jeff Sayre

GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable - Stephen Pickering

Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that. - Louis Gray

Louis, hope so. - Kol Tregaskes

courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking. - Robert Scoble

Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers - Stephen Pickering

Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere. - Robert Scoble

I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb. - Erik Boles from iPhone

Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users. - K N Ajit Narayan

I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is. - Robert Scoble

Facebook = Microsoft 2.0 - scott anderson

Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07? - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today! - Chris Clayton

Hey, Microsoft had a decent run - Stephen Pickering

Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me. - Robert Scoble

And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours. - Robert Scoble

@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network. - Nakeva Corothers

Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving. - Robert Scoble

Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes. - (jeff)isageek

sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable. - Robert Scoble

Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this. - Lindsay

Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page - Stephen Pickering

jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly. - Robert Scoble

Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily. - Jim Posner

Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc. - Tristan Seligmann

When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term. - Kol Tregaskes

Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." - Chris Clayton

sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007. - Louis Gray

Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon. - Louis Gray

Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!! - Fred Davis

Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship. - Louis Gray

Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year - Stephen Pickering

Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement. - Robert Scoble

Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be. - Robert Scoble

Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!! - Fred Davis

No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead. - Louis Gray

Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice. - Jim Posner

Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol - Chris Clayton

Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better. - RobinDotNet

No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do... - Fred Davis

Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies. - Robert Scoble

Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete. - Derrick

Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :) - Chris Clayton

RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time... - Fred Davis

Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon. - Robert Scoble

Derrick, there is more than smoke. - Louis Gray

It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal - Stephen Pickering

Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important. - RobinDotNet

Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense - Stephen Pickering

Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time.... - Fred Davis

Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying.... - RobinDotNet

Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it? - Stephen Pickering

Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too. - Robert Scoble

Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders. - Jim Posner

now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google... - Fred Davis

Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made. - Robert Scoble

If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later. - Kol Tregaskes

Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it. - Derrick

Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-) - Robert Scoble

LOL, Robert. - Kol Tregaskes

For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard. - Fred Davis

Derrick, this is the place to do that. :) - Louis Gray

"For now". ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Throws sheep at Kol - Louis Gray

Hehe, Louis. - Kol Tregaskes

The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer. - Robert Higgins

What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing? - Eric

Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption... more... - Fred Davis

Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :) - Eric

There has to be an alternative. - Eric

Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out. - Robert Scoble

There was an alternative, but I think it shut down. - Eric

There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere. - Louis Gray

It was called SocialThing. - Eric

Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for). - Robert Scoble

Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted... - Fred Davis

It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down. - Eric

Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment! - Fred Davis

FriendFeed family or real family? - Mona Nomura

FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking? - Eric

louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome - (jeff)isageek

Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long) - Mona Nomura

Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way. - Robert Scoble

Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean... - Chris Clayton

Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye. - Kol Tregaskes

Google Wave is like FF? - Eric

Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts... - Fred Davis

Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-) - Robert Scoble

Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different! - Chris Clayton

and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net... - Fred Davis

I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF. - Eric

Now there is Google Reader. - Eric

Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side. - Bluesun 2600

That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out! - Mona Nomura

I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends. - Zato Gibson

Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome! - Chris Clayton

i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more - (jeff)isageek

Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one. - Louis Gray

one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share. - Bluesun 2600

Life2front has anyone heard of it? - Eric

i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook - (jeff)isageek

Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful. - Kol Tregaskes

and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it. - (jeff)isageek

So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one. - Dare Obasanjo

Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed! - Chris Clayton

I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use! - Kol Tregaskes

Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago! - Chris Clayton

Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already? - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior. - Robert Scoble

Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :) - Chris Clayton

Hehe, it will fly by. - Kol Tregaskes

Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here. - Dare Obasanjo

As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read. - Jesse Stay

It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community. - Ken Sheppardson

And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution. - Ken Sheppardson

I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different. - Meryn Stol

Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities. - Mona Nomura

It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but... more... - Dave Winer

Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic. - Akiva

Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position. - Dave Winer

Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir. - Akiva

Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get... more... - Dave Winer

Well put, Mona! - Jesse Stay

Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps. - Akiva

Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value. - Robert Scoble

Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew. - Jesse Stay

Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do. - Robert Scoble

Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button. - Rochelle

Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can. - Julia Ault

Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :) - Louis Gray

I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news - Johni Fisher

Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the... more... - Akiva

Wish I was a millionaire like him :/ - Mark

"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva. - Meryn Stol

Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen. - Jesse Stay

Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format. - Rob Cairns

Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition. - Jesse Stay

Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there. - Tristan Seligmann

Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke. - Akiva

(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options) - Tristan Seligmann

FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear. - Rochelle

Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps? - Akiva

Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook. - Jesse Stay

They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone. - Tristan Seligmann

Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now. - Meryn Stol

Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread. - Akiva

Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand. - Jesse Stay

Holden: engagement. - Robert Scoble

It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else. - Kathy Fitch

Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste. - Meryn Stol

I'm sure the FB engineers are competent. - Meryn Stol

And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case. - Kathy Fitch

It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head. - Meryn Stol

Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin' - Mattb4rd

Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way. - Rochelle

Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides. - Todd Hoff

The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word. - Meryn Stol

Good news. Doin' the right thing! - Rob Schieber

Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!! - Jose Luis Santos

Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting. - Kathy Fitch

How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it? - John D Reasor

Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it. - Kim Landwehr

"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by - ianf ⌘

@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just... more... - ianf ⌘

It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor. - Robert Littlejohn

Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Louis Gray

Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense? - Charlie Anzman

Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including... more... - ianf ⌘

ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely. - Bruce Lewis

i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight. - MikeAmundsen

Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce. - April Russo

Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it. - Erik Boles

like x1000 - Vezquex

With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that. - Kathy Fitch

There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are... more... - Nick Lothian

Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now? - Dominic Jones

ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;) - Tristan Seligmann

read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule. - ianf ⌘

Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news! - Michael Fidler from iPhone

It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example? - Aaman (Clone of FF)

hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition. - abdellah

Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm - PRBristolco.uk

FaceFeed. Nom nom nom. - Marlin Forbes

My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that. - Chad Gesser

Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that. - Chad Gesser

Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks. - Robert Scoble

no i didnt know that - Chris Nwakalo

if so wonderful news - Ronald

Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo. - Jeff Marmins

Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook. - RamirezG

Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Micah

Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your... more... - Jason Nunnelley

Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case. - Robert Scoble

and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know? - Morgan

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1. Bots won't come here. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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I don't get it - Shari Weiss

We'll just sit here and twiddle our thumbs. - Heather Solos

*tap shoes* - Adam Jackson

We can actually get some peace and quiet around here. - Adam Reyher

2. Spammers won't come here. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

3. Scoble won't come here. - jef

uh oh hope I didn't sway you :-) - Brian Hendrickson

That life after death is much better :-) - testtest

*a bot has entered the conversation* - Byron McCollum

3. Late adopters will assume it really is dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

No celebs and no ghost writers - Benjamin Taylor

4. Lame companies will stop developing for it's API. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Ploy to avoid Palin Death Panel. - pourmecoffee

One Gear...Oh that was frightening to see! - Benjamin Taylor

Nope she posted once and that's it, just like Guy Kawasaki. I don't get why people don't get how fun this is - Stephen Pickering

5. Celebrities will post once (hi Demi) and then go back to Twitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

FriendFeed can escape the country to avoid taxes now that everyone thinks it's dead - Gary

Have you really declared it dead? You think FB is going to take the bits they want and dismantle the rest? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

People will get interested in this "dead website" and join it. If not ,people already present here will leave and make it really dead. - Ashish

To where, Cayman Islands? - jef

Why do you dislike demi ? - Mark from iPhone

It's BBQ time, Scoble's started drinking - Stephen Pickering

6. Facebook will have a little more time to copy its best features since Google will assume it is dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I don't get it. - Michelle McCormack

I like #5 - shaun mclane

Stephen: I am sober. Not a drink today. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Scoble will quit tweeting about it. - Photar from iPhone

What a concept! I'd like to send you a list of things to declare dead ... - Bill Brandon from Nambu

Photar, HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA - Stephen Pickering

Photar: heh! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Michelle: What don't you get? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Someone asks the question on Tiny thread "Can we keep Robert Scoble off tinythread?" Scoble shows up and comments - http://a.tinythread.com/2lvfVw9... That made my week Robert. - Benjamin Taylor

Feel free to add me up! http://friendfeed.com/tomit I'm going to keep using it till it's gone!!!! - Ronald S

7. Now none of Scoble's followers will come here and muddy up the place. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

How many more reasons does he have yet? - jef

Oh so its like an island, a little haven in the internets - Stephen Pickering

I wiped my shoes at the door. No mud, see? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

jef: I am still thinking of good reasons. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Just ate, will go walk dogs now, see if I can follow this thread via iPhone - Stephen Pickering

Things you call dead haven't yet got the chance to be born. - Meryn Stol

Shari: what don't you get? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?" - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company. - jef

By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead... - RobinDotNet from iPhone

jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)? - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team? - RobinDotNet from iPhone

What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm - Stephen Pickering

Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

making money and being dead are mutually exclusive - Steve Gillmor

yes I do and yes they are - Steve Gillmor

and FF is most certainlt NOT dead - Steve Gillmor

Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it? - jef

we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts - Sherry Reynolds

Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better? - Stephen Pickering

jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Oh, I meant "RSS". - jef

What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status. - Mitch

Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it - Stephen Pickering

I should have clearly pointed "RSS". I wasn't referring to FriendFeed. - jef

See!, thanks PJ, what do you think so far? - Stephen Pickering

Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus - Stephen Pickering

jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg". - jef

40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread? - Sherry Reynolds

Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying. - jef

FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers" - Stephen Pickering

If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud? - Steve Gillmor

But Office on the Cloud is still Office, no? - Stephen Pickering

not so far Stephen. eventually sure. What's the micromessage reader in Office called? - Steve Gillmor

Hmmmmm, I don't know. I don't use office. Or do you jest? :) - Stephen Pickering

deadly serious :) - Steve Gillmor

Sherry: who cares? We are all dead! ;-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

What is micromessage reader BTW? - jef

you're looking at one jef - Steve Gillmor

If others think it's dead, perhaps that's good - take a look at these http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... and http://friendfeed.com/waltcra... and http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... - Bora Zivkovic

You mean you are a piece of software in Office, Steve? - jef

Damn, must go walk dogs, and don't remember my FriendFeed password so can't log onto it from iPhone - Stephen Pickering

no jef, FF is a micromessage reader (among other things) - Steve Gillmor

Okay, then does Office have one in its suite? (Didn't know) - jef

not that I'm aware of - Steve Gillmor

feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;) - jef

not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader. - Steve Gillmor

Oh, sorry. Missed the one. Thanks! - jef

I'm too drunk for this thread. *forms conga line* <-----srsly on FriendFeed in club at anime convention!!! XD - CannonGod from iPhone

The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive. - Benjamin Taylor

Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does? - jef

the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging - Steve Gillmor

Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement. - Benjamin Taylor

understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger - Steve Gillmor

The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community. - Kathy Fitch

yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook. - Steve Gillmor

WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill - Steve Gillmor

Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho - Alberto Saavedra from Nambu

So "dead thing" is like "no more innovations from a certain service or product"? - jef

google RSS is Dead for what I actually said - Steve Gillmor

sorry RSS Rest in Peace - Steve Gillmor

You mean Google Reader? - jef

You did????? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I use ZGoogle reader almost not at all these days, but that not what I said. - Steve Gillmor

I did what Roberto - Steve Gillmor

google as a verb.. Gee, feels like I'm becoming some kinda Troll here. Didn't mean to but, sorry about that anyway. - jef

you're doing fine, jef. relax - Steve Gillmor

BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity. - jef

Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment. - Nick in Manila

Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after. - Stephen Pickering

That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good. - abdellah

So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then? - jef

Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins. - Sean Gallagher

Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore. - Sean Gallagher

However....Friendster? Dead. :D - Sean Gallagher

@Sean by that definition, punch cards aren't dead. http://www.wired.com/wired... (their site is http://www.cardamation.com/ ) - mjc

Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards. - Sean Gallagher

Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead. - Steve Gillmor

Yeah EMI is going to default, as media say. - jef

:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it - Johni Fisher

dead or alive who cares. - Pam Gwenzi

The Create a bundle to share is the first step for the real time RSS that is dead 2 - Johni Fisher

the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor

bundles should incorporate OPML - Steve Gillmor

"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on! - Amy Flynn

wondering when gwave is going to be dead - Jim Posner

Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up. - Erik Boles

Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform - Alberto Saavedra

Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...) - Don Faulkner from BuddyFeed

Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome) - Technogran

It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has - Rob Cairns

Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!! - Billy Warhol

i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;) - Sascha Pallenberg

a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

Robert Scoble

Metaphysical question: if FriendFeed is "dead" why do I see the fail whale almost daily on Twitter but not on FriendFeed?

August 15, 2009 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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duh, the answer is *always* 42 - acedanger

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Something like that. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

because twitter has more users and use more resources? - Stalyn☂

Stayly: wrong. Absolutely wrong. Twitter crashed all the time before I even had 1,000 friends. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I think Twitter's model may not be scalable enough....it was fine when the geeks are on it. . .but after the "Oprah" effect everyone from celebrities to the the Tom,Dick and Harry generation....Twitter cannot take it. Correct me if I am wrong, but FF -may- go down that path, but we have yet to see the same number of people jumping on FF like Twitter. Maybe the founders of FF should have an interview with Oprah? - Wei-Yen Tan from IM

Twitter hasn't gotten any new features in almost three years, either while FriendFeed has gotten tons. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

At this point it doesnt matter why FF will never be what it was. the only thing certain is its end. - Stalyn☂

Just being realistic hannahnicklin - Stalyn☂

hannahnicklin: that isn't why I joined Twitter. I liked having a blog that was like IM. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I can't see us here having a conversation about FF by next august. FB don't have time to invest on FF the domain. - Stalyn☂

Prediction: Twitter will be the next Friendster/Altavista/AOL. - Gary

Stayln I disagree. Lots of things are "dead" but still are popular. Hotmail. Delicious. Flickr. Etc. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I guess, after all plurk still around. somehow. - Stalyn☂

So long as they use the Facebook social graph., I'm not sure that they would care. They could use FriendFeed as a premium brand under a larger Facebook umbrella. - Gary

It's all trending. MySpace, AOL, and Friendster are dead, but at least the first two have more users than FriendFeed and maybe even Twitter. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

hannahnicklin thats funny - Wei-Yen Tan from IM

I need to know why plurk still alive? - Stalyn☂

Hannah, not everyone will wear blue. Enterprise users will all wear red. Remember that Oracle buys stuff. :) - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

Because there are less people on Friendfeed. A lot less! - Devon Govett from iPod

Edward http://www.plurk.com - Stalyn☂

The Russian Mafia. - Dean Clark

Dean you fail. - Stalyn☂

When Louis Gray did a panel with Bret Taylor, he talked about how when they were at Google how obsessed they were with page load times. It's built into their DNA. - Stephen Pickering

Twitter was not built to scale. Their infrastructure is not redundant and is not catching up with their growth. FriendFeed has also had the benefit of fewer users, and a smart, experienced team that knows how to build for growth. - Louis Gray

Plurk is more popular than Friendfeed so maybe that's why they are still around? http://trends.google.com/website... - Stephanie

sometimes have to wonder if Twitter has jumped the shark #failshark now that would make an interesting graphic... - George Hall (Australia) from BuddyFeed

Maybe Twitter jumped the shark when the celebrities competed for 1M followers. #failshark - Dennis Jernberg

Devon: totally wrong. Twitter fail whales when it had a lot fewer people on it than FriendFeed does. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Twitter cant manage itself and with out a quick investment soon they will not be able to pay the hosting ,the site is working like shit and they do not care,maybe a deal with Google is done and they just dont publish that - Johni Fisher

A metaphysical question deals with the underlying nature of reality; neither Twitter nor Friendfeed can have a claim to that. - barce from iPhone

FriendFeed +is+ my reality. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Because twitter has been able to capture people's imagination. Friendfeed has/had a much better team/technology/feature set, but one ingredient seem to have been missing. I am not sure why they gave up so early. - Edwin Khodabakchian

So who's going to come up with an actual "fail shark" pic/graphic? - George Hall (Australia)

"fail shark" http://dl.getdropbox.com/u... - April Russo

If anyone else wants to take a crack at it, I found some free, royalty-free shark vectors here: http://www.vectorjungle.com/2009... - April Russo

Mark: 42 - Roberto Bonini

Sarah Lane

Video cam/pistol hybrid is like my wildest dream coming to life: http://current.com/items... (via @currenttech, who is also me!)

August 12, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

I thought you were talking about the Sanyo Xacti 1000 or something like that, not a literal pistol! - Gary

FPS, the movie. I can see it now... - Thomas

Robert Scoble

@Jpoker2 I don't use iPhone protection. But I have friends who swear by screen protectors like that.

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Is the screen scratch proof as standard? - Mark

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I keep it in my pocket with no protection and have never had a scratch on the screen. - Brian Newman

Same here, I didn't use any type of protection until I dropped mine one too many times and cracked the back. Now I'm using a hard plastic Incase. The screen still looks good as new though. - Kyle

i have a back plastic thing too, no scratches on the glass and its been shoved in my jeans pockets plenty of times - Mark

I have a slim case on mine, no screen protection though. But I also subscribe to the notion that if you don't use it as a Frisbee or throw it into bags etc then it is going to be OK. I have never had a broken phone. - travispuk

I have screen protection but by the sounds of it I don't need it - Aussie_Camper from Alert Thingy

Mine is case-free with no screen protector either. I have never broken or scratched it. However, my wife's is in a Griffin Clarifi case. She dropped it once and cracked the screen. $130 repair charge. - Valley from iPhone

I use the Mophie Air which doubles as an external battery and a case. - Gary

I must be doing something wrong, ive never had my battery run our before the end of the day - Mark

Insert condom joke here - Bwana ☠

@Mark Means you're not using it enough. =) - ronin

When the battery runs out I know it is time for bed. - Brian Newman from iPhone

I'm probably going to get a mophie juice pack sooner than later (to review of course.. tee hee) - Bwana ☠

I used to have casemate case on my 1st gen iphone but since using iphone 3g i haven't used any protection and it has no apparent scratches or cracks. - Ashish

Veronica

What are some of your favorite gadgets and gear under $100? We're making a big list for Tekzilla, and we want some of your suggestions too!

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Wacom Bamboo - Martha

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Flash drives, Leatherman multi-tools, Weather Clocks, hard drive docks - Fee501st

Jabra SP700 Bluetooth speakerphone; Apple iPod Shuffle (square one) - chipmason

oh yea and USB hubs, never can have too many of those - Fee501st

Yeah, the shuffle was definitely a pick already! - Veronica

I love my Flip Ultra video cam! - John E Connell

you can get a flip for under $100 now? - Fee501st

Portable DVD players are now under $100, it how my friend keeps his kids clam when they are on long trips! - Fee501st

++Leatherman, Nike+ gear that tracks my runs, Survival Strap, flash drives... - Bryan Zirkel

pogo plug and a fonera router on my wishlist. - Siddharth Mitra from twhirl

++ John - I love the little Flip Ultra that I have! (Mine was ~$70 on Woot!) - Jennifer Dittrich

Etymotic ER6i in-ear phones. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Samsung E250 MP3 player - Scoble, Alex Scoble

pogoplug - Kiran Patchigolla

Geomate Jr. for no-hassle geocaching. - 19Kilo

iPhone 3G!! - Joe Jarvis

1 TB external USB drive - Niklas Morberg from iPod

Alex, can you link me to that Samsung? - Veronica

Looks like that Samsung is only in the UK - Fee501st

Refurbished 30GB Zune from woot. (Let the slamming begin) - BRҰANSAҰS

WiFi detector shirt from ThinkGeek $20 http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts... - BRҰANSAҰS

Mini MagLite 2-AA LED Flashlight, Corsair Flash drives, Gerber Air Ranger pocket knife. Very useful stuff for indoor and outdoor use. - Thomas Hunsaker from Android

SATA/IDE to USB adapter -- it's a sysadmin's best friend! Speaking of which, how were Rev3's sysadmins treated on Sysadmin Day? - Jason Wong

+1 Flip camcorder, if you can get one for under $100. - andrei_c

My old Logitech MX1000 mouse - man, I can *not* find another mouse with the ergos and the sheer number of programmable buttons (5 besides the scroll/tilt wheel and std left/right buttons). I keep wanting to switch to something newer with better wirelessness, but nothing compares. Sigh. - felix

Sorry I meant Sandisk Sansa E250 http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk... - Scoble, Alex Scoble

My BlackBerry 8900, which my job gave me for free. :) I kid, I kid. My Sony Studio Headphones. Good quality, comfy, and reasonably priced. http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp... - Mike Nayyar

my camera (kodak ) - chaz2b

under $100? I don't understand... - MiniMage

USB hard drives - Randy Allen Bishop

I'm gonna go with Jason Wong's idea; I have a SATA/IDE to USB adapter at work, and it's very nice for backing up those files after the user has busted the OS, whether on a PC or a laptop.. - MiniMage

My iced tea maker and my steamer. I guess you didn't mean those kinds of gadgets, huh? :-) - Ordinarybug Heather

The Apple wireless keyboard - The Fat Oracle

BlueAnt SuperTooth speakerphone: http://www.frys.com/product... - Dave Friedel

Pedometer - Omron HJ-720ITC around $40 - Sudar

Second the Bamboo Tablet--easy, inexpensive, and fun, too! - Kathy Fitch

AirPort Express - David Chartier from iPhone

My Linksys Router WRT54G - $50 - Ben Cossette

aye, cheap and cheerful. - Hieronymous Boob

External 1 TB Western Digital My Book - $107.99 - Dakota O'Neill

Leatherman Charge TTi - Nick Humphries

aerobie aeropress (coffee brewer). my office savior. - Carey Lumeng from BuddyFeed

I'd list my jawbone bluetooth ear piece as one of my favorite sub 100 purchases. - sean808080

The SteelSeries WOW Gamine Mouse. - Joshua Satrape

Bluetooth stereo headphones and a USB BT adapter from Rocket fish, wireless audio anywhere! - Brian Bufalo

Archos 3 Vision (8GB) $99 MSRP - Charbax

did anyone say the iPhone 3G? - Chris Heath

The iphone is $2000+ that is what more than 90% of iphone users are paying on contract - Charbax

Archos 605 WiFi (4GB) is $81 refurbished on http://cgi.ebay.com/Archos-... $110 refurbished on http://www.amazon.com/gp... - Charbax

Mophie Air external iPhone battery. around $80 - Gary

Definitely Flip, also Plantronics Bluetooth headset, laptop cooling pads with fans, USB drives, Grado SR-60 headphones - Jude

Gary, I agree, the Mophie Air JuicePack that I have is great! and i got it for under $80 - Chris Heath

Gotta be my SOLIO classic charger the swiss army knife of reserve power. - Greg Birch

I dunno how much camera gear counts, but Lens Babies. ^^ - David C. Cooper

Roku for $99! - steeltree

+1 to the Pogoplug. It's a lot of fun to make your own personal cloud. - Matt Cutts

Most of those "gadgets under $100" I've never seen, or perhaps seen, but didn't find them noteworthy enough to remember their brand names. How about some urls to pictures of them, peepl? This is bleeding-edge hypertext, not some telepathic writing on the wall! - ianf ⌘

Easy Bloom (http://www.easybloom.com/) for $40. It sits in your garden, collects information, and the helps you select which plants will work for the area. I had the same idea and was all excited until I learned it already existed and worked pretty dang well too. And agree with ianf, comments should be able to have pictures. - Todd Hoff

iPod shuffle - Shevonne

external hard drive, wacom bamboo, and a doc pop bolt yo-yo! - bart c cusick

Gorillapod GP3: I always carry it with my camcorder in my backpack. It's more usefull than a conventional tripod for interviews as you can easily put it on a table and adjust your frame better. - MrVpt

Robert Scoble

RSS Subscribers or Twitter Followers: Which Are Worth More? - http://gigaom.com/2009...

August 2, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Answer: blog readers. :) - Jason Nunnelley

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Soon subscribing and following won't matter. Publishing good stuff that people "like" will matter most with the only little advantage in having a lot of subscribers or followers will be that your good content might reach more people faster. - Charbax

“Under a direct comparison, I would say that RSS subscribers are worth more than Twitter followers,” says Daniel Scocco - kang

RSS, of course - Louis Gray

RSS with REtweet option at the FEED - Ali

how does growth in google reader users compare to growth in twitter/facebook users? - Brian Hendrickson

gotta agree. RSS. Twitter is great as cloudthink, but not the best for organizing things. At least not for those with lives that don't involve looking at it all day long :) - Jorge Chapa

RSS. They're more engaged with the content. - Bob Morris (polizeros)

RSS is clearly superior. You don't subscribe to a feed unless you wish to engage with the writer. - Jack B

It all depends on how to Monetize it - Rob Cairns

Ask a teenager and they'd likely say they're both worthless and are for old folks. It's all relative and dependant on who your target audience is. I find RSS subscribers to be of greater value, but there is value in the real-time echo chamber of Twitter. The value with Twitter lies in the ability to reach broader audience numbers faster and pull them in as RSS subscribers. - Jim Goldstein

Twitter is two-way and thus allows built-in communication/feedback. RSS is one-way and does not. I'd have to go with Twitter on this one. - Jeff Harbert

Dave Winer is gonna come in here and smack you for comparing Twitter to RSS - @baratunde

Interesting article. I think it is a different animal. RSS is passive, Twitter is an active process of conversation. I guess the same has been said earlier in this stream conversation. For me personally, more business has been done in the interaction on Twitter. I also have discovered more new things on Ttwitter than any other way. - Eran Even-Kesef

part of the "value" is how much you know about your new audience member. a new follower on Twitter/Facebook/Friendfeed (if it's not a spammer) includes useful/interesting info about who just joined your network - Brian Hendrickson

Both, mostly, the information in a tweet are very interesting but the author would never write a blog post about such a short tought... - Antonio Correnti

RSS is like a DVR -- you can save everythign to read later. Twitter is real-time, so most people followers will miss your Tweets anyway. It's all about the spiral of silence. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

All about the likes... especially when you consider Facebook and Google's future impact on our notions of "following" or "subscribing." - Sam Harrelson

Like the others... it's RSS. Too much gets lost in the stream of twitter. Even if you don't have a massive network. RSS feeds are there waiting for me. And I only subscribe to the stuff I really care about. - adam christensen

The question should be about value. What have you given to your readers via RSS/Twitter? You build your communities/followers/friends through giving information/knowledge that they find useful. Twitter is about sharing, not selling. Build trust first. Engage. Both RSS/Twitter work in tandem. - iconic88

Both have a lot of value and the best/most interesting bloggers know how to leverage both medium. Fred Wilson is a perfect example of twitter, blogging and discuss/comments working in concert to create a very active community. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Which is better - Cake or Pizza? - Robert Freeze

Jim: im a teenager (im 17) - i dont think their worthless. i would have to say twitter - why? if you where to stop posting to your blog today, nothing would be sent to your subscribers... right? - Chris Clayton

I just declared bankruptcy on my google reader and dumped 1000+ unread feeds, that said, I still think RSS is a very powerful way of connecting with your readers. Twitter is important, but more flighty because it is so temporal in nature. Whereas a feed sits in your reader until you are ready to look at it. - Peggy Dolane

Who cares? As long as the people are active, comment, join the conversation and come back - that what matters. The source matters for statistics. P.S. Came here from a twitter RT :) - Sasha Kovaliov

My blog readers pay more than mere followers or even socnet friends. - Bernie Goldbach

And I thought I heard somewhere RSS was slowly fading away...Or maybe it's time for it to evolve? I would also vote for RSS. - Zack Brandit

I've always viewed RSS subscribers as being worth about 10x a Twitter follower. FriendFeed is up in the air because I think the number of people with accounts >>> the people who actively use it. - Gary

RSS > Facebook Fans > FriendFeed > Twitter - Gary

quoting Jason, blog readers. - diego morelli

RSS - Burak Arikan

Robert Scoble

Yo @nicolaquinn & @vanWilgenburgh here is why I'm unfollowing everyone:

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1. Too much spam in DMs. - Robert Scoble

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2. Too much noise on my home page (I was following 100,000 and there was less and less stuff there that was interesting to me). - Robert Scoble

3. FriendFeed has gotten WAY MORE engagement lately than Twitter has. So I'm moving even more over there. - Robert Scoble

4. I was using http://www.twitter.com/notsecr... and finding that I liked that approach a LOT better (inbound is more important than anything, and when you hand choose the inbound it gets both a lot more fun as well as a lot more interesting). - Robert Scoble

I think it makes sense, you essentially were following no one with 90k. As you said about Aston K, anyone with less than 200 follows is where the real value is. - James Watters

James: yeah, actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value. Anyone who tries to follow more than that is fooling themselves. Actually I can follow more, but only if grouped together and even then I'm getting a random sample, not a close sample. - Robert Scoble

Yeah that makes eminent sense. I'm having trouble keeping up with only around 2000 followers. - Nicola Quinn

Agreed on the noise, even with 1000+ it's hard to keep up with friends and close ones. - evonne

You hear a lot more with less followers. I only follow about 260 and that's enough for me. With @mentions, you don't need to follow people to engage with them. - Steve Farnworth

Robert: Right, as long as you don't have like 1k constant posters in there I agree. I think its fun to follow less people have have twitter 'buddies' - James Watters

I understand your logic I believe there is a better way to get rid of unwanted noise than throw everyone out - RetiredTeacherD

Will be interesting to see how this works out, like the innovator part of it though - Patphelan

And being spammed by people who aren't even following you is downright rude. - Nicola Quinn

There seems to be a big push for quality (less follows, blogging) going on in mr Scoble #cool - James Watters

Do u really unfollow everyone, I mean, by clicking manually on every of your 50k users? - Marcus Schuler

Funny - people agree now... They would've agreed that the way forward was following everyone six months ago! How many here follow less than 2,000 people? - Scott Gould

Dear god I hope he scripted it through the API, I sure would. - James Watters

Marcus: I am running a script from SocialToo that is unfollowing everyone. - Robert Scoble

ah....okay....I thought...... :-) - Marcus Schuler

I've often wondered how anyone following so many people can get any value from Twitter. Why not just watch the public timeline? - Mark Meyer from iPhone

Most people do respond to their @replys so following everyone is not as important as I think it used to be. I have gotten lots of great response from just @'s I like keeping my number in the 400's to be able to see what is going on. - Luke Kilpatrick

If people still following you then what's the problem? I also agree with Mark Meyer enough is enough. - claire adams

I read every tweet of everyone I follow. - James Watters

I think following, strictly speaking, should be a two-way ranked thing. If people are having *conversations* @reply or direct then I think following is fair. Anything one-sided, i.e. marketing, self promotion, celebs etc just devalues things. You need to be rewarded for active social grouping. - Justin Howard

Mark: believe it or not, but the public timeline still had about 4x more noise (1/4 signal) of my 100,000 person feed. - Robert Scoble

I also think with 'mentions' now it's not quite so important to be following everyone as you can see and respond to references or messages to you. - Nicola Quinn

Nicola: mentions is nice, but the last thing I use twitter for is to learn about me. I want to see industry thoughts as they are born, so I think its important to read each person I follow carefully. - James Watters

From time to time it's necessary to do a twitter clean-up. That's why I think Twitter interface should change a bit and allow us to choose many followers to delete them. - Jordi Soler

Robert, if you haven't seen this, check out this post on Jim Connoly's blog - http://jimsmarketingblog.com/2009... He did something similar at the begining of the year. - Liviu Lica

James, I'm not sure that's the best place to do that anymore, what with all the 'Make money from Twitter' spam about. And that's not what I use it for. Plus I do read as many of my 2000 followers messages as I can! - Nicola Quinn

Funny. This is what I said back when people like Guy Kawasaki said "follow everyone". How do you truly add to the conversation and continually engage with certain people by only responding to @replies and keyword searches. That means you are almost trying to predict conversations. - Daniel Zarick from iPhone

Liviu: yeah, I remember being jealous of Jim, even while thinking he was wrong. Turns out I was wrong. - Robert Scoble

Nicola: Are we confusing 'follows' and followers? I NEVER autofollowed...I follow personally 175 people and read them all is my point; how many people are following me is a different question right? - James Watters

Is http://www.refollow.com unworkable with a larger amount of people? - Justin Howard

lol takes a big man to admit he was wrong Robert :) - Nicola Quinn

Using t4bp.com you can pretty easily follow up to 500 - beyond that gets paged. Also, like others here, I find beyond about 500 you can't really "follow" them. I don't even watch the real-time timeline of those I follow anymore. It would be a full-time job! - Glenn

Please explain why my # of followers relates to the # of people I follow :) - James Watters

James I don't auto follow. And I won't follow those who are obviously using those hideous bots to do their following. Must admit there have been few I have chosen to follow back recently. - Nicola Quinn

Nicola: thanks. I guess to me twitter is a great place to 'read' so every day I"ll prune and maintain the list of people I follow regardless of who follows me. - James Watters

Robert: You were NOT wrong to not to copy me, when I reset my account in January. It's always best to wait and see if something is the right ft for you first. Props for doing this Robert - I will blog about your experiences later on The Tech News Blog! - Jim Connolly

James, there see, I'm following you now cos I like your bio :) - Nicola Quinn

Nicola, lol, which one FF or twitter :) But make sure I"m worth it! - James Watters

It'd be great too if you could separate the people you follow in groups. One for the media, one for the people with whom you have conversations, one for your RSS feeds... - Jordi Soler

Jordi: If you use a twitter client you can sort follows in different groups ;) - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Dennis: except that is VERY lame. What happens when a better client comes out? You are totally screwed. - Robert Scoble

James, both, just done FF too. We'll have to see if you're worth it. There's always unfollow... :) - Nicola Quinn

Dennis: I've tried Tweetdeck but I didn't like it that much. Which one would you recommend? - Jordi Soler

Nicola, sweet, but yes unfollow quickly if I'm a waste of time. I hope you like cloud computing, its most of what I talk about. Kinda niche! - James Watters

James, well I like clouds and computing, so we shall see :) - Nicola Quinn

Robert: True. Tweetdeck support client sync, but I agree. Its more of a pseudo grouping and it doesn't really work well. - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Jordi: I'm using Tweetdeck as well. I used to use Twhirl, so getting used to Tweetdeck took some time. You could try with Seesmic Desktop which is similar to Tweetdeck. There really aren't any other clients that can compete with Tweetdeck or Seesmic Desktop - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Dennis: Seesmic Desktop Web would be the best choice if it was possible: being in the cloud, at least I wouldn't have to make the configuration in all of my computers. I'll wait and see... - Jordi Soler

I tend to unfollow if the poster isn't posting anything useful, or if after 10 @replies they still haven't @replied back, or if it's just a publicity feed for some sleb updated not by them but by their PR team, essentially telling me nothing more than I'd get from the RSS feed off their agent's corporate website. - Matt Moran

Welcome to the Small Numbers Game. It does not really matter if Twitter or FriendFeed is the "best" tool for you - as long as it is the best tool. Personally I do not "get" FriendFeed at all, and Twitter has become my primary tool for my interests. - Ruben Olsen

Ruben: you are a CTO and you don't get FriendFeed? Wild. And you're supposed to be deciding on all sorts of complex stuff? Amazing. - Robert Scoble

Lol ur really going for it..I'm watching u slash ur follower list as I type. It's a veritable Twitter cleansing op. As I've previously said ur auto-follow policy was what started me tweeting in the first place. That being said I never adopted the same strategy for the same reason I won't bulk unfollow. I've tried going through my follower list with a hatchet knife but can't bring myself... more... - noxhanti

Mark, yeah, FriendFeed is a great Twitter client ;) Groups, lists, searches/filters.. - Thierry R. Andriamirado from email

I agree with Bhowmik, I have just about developed the ability to follow two hundred. Turns out some of the people I think that I want to follow end up not so interesting. Gave up on the column/sorting Tweetdeck for Seesmic In-Browser and searches. Routinely toss out people I follow who are not so engaging in exchange for new ones. I applaud your mass dumping. Never understood the "courtesy follow". Probably only works for broadcasting commercial accounts. - suecosby

First the great Twitter Spam Clean of last week and now this... much movement in The Force - TechStyles.com.au

My way of minimising the noise is pretty lo-fi, but it works for me. Using the Twitter web interface I mark as Favorites tweets from people I either want to keep an eye on or who I regularly correspond with. Even better if I create a favorite entry that has multiple twitter accounts in the tweet. Like I said, a lo-fi Twitter bookmark-style solution. - TechStyles.com.au

I wasn't sure if this post was going to be worth a "like," but the conversation covers some great points. This is really the reason that Friendfeed has more value than Twitter: the value in the conversations. For me, Twitter has almost become little more than a RSS aggregator, with very little real conversation. If you're not using Frindfeed because you don't "get it," then you're not subscribing to the right people, the right rooms, or the right searches. - Chris Rogers from BuddyFeed

I'm new to FriendFeed. Do I have to see @replies that people I follow from twitter make to random people. I do not see these @replies in twitter, but they show up in FriendFeed. They are replies to people I do not even follow. Any advice? - James M. Davis

I'm following about 2000 people, but a lot of them are formal or informal news outlets and organizations that I'm interested in. I made a point of following librarians, gardeners, photographers, writers, editors, environmentalists, scientists, and geeks, plus people who like the same TV shows I like. I also made a point of following people around the world so if something is happening... more... - Joan Weytze

I can completely understand why you made the purge you did. I never understood how you and others were really able to "follow" as many people as you did. Dropping to a smaller number seems to make much more sense. Glad to see you writing about WHY you are making the change. Thanks for the great writing you continue to do. - Dan York

Why would I want to follow anyone other than someone who has 'gained' my attention by being more interesting than distracting. If I follow you and you offer to make me rich, or say the same thing too many times ... you're blocked. If you want to follow me, then I'd better see interesting when I check you out. - Don Strickland

So, Ok... my standard practice since first log on is vindicated by you *finally* figuring out how to use social media... - Teresa Boze

So when are you going to delete all your 25,000 FriendFeed subscriptions? - Gary

If you are trying to catch everything in your Twitter stream you're nuts anyway. If you follow 10 chatty people you will have trouble keeping up. If you follow 10,000 who don;t say anything you'll feel lonely anyway. I do have a separate account that follows a handful of people I know personally, but I certainly would not like it to be my main Twitter account and even there I don't try... more... - Robert Morrison

Great move Robert. Hope others follow your lead. - Mike Doeff

sounds like you mixed two different ways of using twitter: 1) discovering stuff, 2) engaging in a conversation with mutual interested indivuals. Are you bringing you're twitter account back to the second? So, what happens with the discovery then? - Jaco van Wilgenburgh

btw: do you use friendfeed with a client? or via the browser? - Jaco van Wilgenburgh

So, Robert Scoble (@scobleizer) just reversed course completely on "how" he uses Twitter. Beginning of the end? ;-) - Joel Bennett

"actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value"...but you had more than 2,000 followers/ing and you had value, Robert! I subscribe to a lot of news/blog feeds on Twitter that have thousands & now millions of followers and I get a lot out of that. - Liz

"actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value"...but you had more than 2,000 followers/ing and you had value, Robert! There are some people/news/blog feeds that have a lot of followers but still provide great information even if one-on-one conversation isn't possible. By the way, go to @optmeout and follow the instructions if Auto-DMs are a problem...I hardly get any now. - Liz

Amen! regarding spam in Twitter DMs. It's crazy. It's like everyone thinks it's their personal platform to pitch whatever stuff they're advertising. No, a DM is supposed to be the way to communicate directly with one person when you have something specific to say to that person. I hate the way it's been abused. I do not send out auto-DMs and I do not auto-follow. - Colleen O'Donnell Pierce

Robert - you know my approach. FriendFeed is where I track my different worlds. Lists are fantastic, and search blows away Twitter and Google. I rely on keywords and @replies to manage Twitter. - Hutch Carpenter

Robert, so sad to see you unfollowing so, so many people but I understand it. I'm approaching 600 people on TweetDeck and it is working for me so far...Definitely pushing the limits though! You definitely can't maintain close relationships with thousands and thousand of people but I would encourage you to think about Henry Ford who once said he could "press a button and get the wisdom... more... - Dan Ross

Matthew: that's OK, I'm following you here now. I wonder what system we'll both move to next? - Robert Scoble

Robert Scoble

Who said FriendFeed doesn't get you Google juice? Not Murphy Goode winery. Check this out on Google: http://www.google.com/search...

July 27, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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I've been noticing more and more FriendFeed items showing up in Google (and higher than Twitter, generally). How about you? - Robert Scoble

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but the question is how fast does google capture data form timeline? - Veetrag

Veetrag: in minutes, is my experience. No longer than a day, for sure. - Robert Scoble

@Robert I noticed that too, but I believe its because we write much more than 140 characters. So Google wouldn't have tweaked algorithm for it. - Veetrag

By the way, Murphy Goode really screwed up a good thing. Here's Jim Louderback, CEO of Revision3 on the item: http://louderback.com/2009... - Robert Scoble

That fact that a FF post can be #1 for an arbitrary set of multiple keywords doesn't prove the general fact. - Gary

Veetrag: I think Google is watching the real time engines closer and closer every day. - Robert Scoble

Gary: no, but I can find dozens of examples like this. - Robert Scoble

Do you realize how many clicks it took me to get to that tweet? - Rochelle

Rochelle: what Tweet? - Robert Scoble

Robert: Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea how soon does that information becomes obselete? Does Google have infinite storage/indexing capacity. - Veetrag

Veetrag: I believe so, yes! Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Google has posts of mine from years ago still in its index. - Robert Scoble

Robert: One more question, does Google give more importance to information from people with more followers? If so, they have to tweak algorithm for every service. - Veetrag

I agree Robert. I have even seen friendfeed post's higher than the actual blog post there about. - TheHenry

Veetrag: I don't think so. But they DO give more importance to items that have more inbound links. So I bet getting retweeted helps. - Robert Scoble

True, blog posts can remain forever. but these sites are generating content at much faster rate. And we have many more services. - Veetrag

TheHenry: me too. Veetrag: Twitter generates 10Gigs of new data per day. That's nothing for Google to swallow. Google has many hundreds of thousands of computers and maybe more than a million. Not a problem at all. - Robert Scoble

My FriendFeed posts on Google seem to climb and fall; it's not obvious why. It's also strange that I get Google Alerts on my alert topics when I tweet on it, but not from Friendfeed. - Keith Barrett

Robert and Veetrag: From my experience Google's index crawl sites [like Friendfeed] rapidly. And probably more than twitter because quite a bit of content it generated as opposed to a 140 char. tweet. - wiredgnome from iPod

Dont you think, posts with more 'likes' should get higher priority too? Or they are already doing it. - Veetrag

However the sites appear in Google's index within a couple hours. - wiredgnome from iPod

Dozens of examples doesn't mean much when there are billions of keyword combination. If FF has the only use of a particular set of keywords, then it will rank by default. - Gary

I noticed this a while back. My last big Flickr upload was a Merced roller derby bout. My FF post is number 2 after Flickr. http://www.google.com/search... - Russellreno

Cool, I guess. Puts 1 google to rule them all back in an agile search play. - Robert Higgins

Gary: OK, fine, how would you like to demonstrate which site will get you Google juice? Personally it all depends on what gets linked to. Or did you forget my "brrreeeport test" of Google? http://www.google.com/search... where I made up a fake word and got people to link to see what would happen? - Robert Scoble

I have said earlier,my friendfeed post appeared within 48 hours in Google search. This was two months ago. - Ashish

Veetrag: I bet more likes get more Google Juice. Why? More pages are linking to the original item. - Robert Scoble

I'm not saying FF has zero juice. I'm sure it is a value greater than zero, but I because anything can be posted by anyone, it would be hard for Google to give it much authority. If it did FF would instantly become a spam magnet. If a trend was started on FF and was later picked up by blogs, I'm sure the FF post wouldn't rank as high as the blogs. - Gary

I don't know: On this SM doesn't matter to me. I only support local : http://www.oliverwinery.com/index... - Melanie Reed

Robert, I clicked on your link above which led me to Google search results. I clicked on the first result which was to a post of your with a link to Leo's FF. I clicked on that link to get to Leo's FF post, which was a link to Digg. I clicked on that and went to Digg which was a link to martinsargent's Twitter account. - Rochelle

Rochelle: even better, it's a full employment act for content producers because you need to click six times to get what should take one. Fair point! :-) - Robert Scoble

Gary: you're wrong. Google knows which FriendFeeder has more inbound links. My pagerank here is seven. What's yours? - Robert Scoble

Gary: you are wrong, twice. I have seen quite a few places where FriendFeed gets higher ranked than the blog. It makes sense, because the FriendFeed item is getting linked to by lots of people and the blog isn't (I often link here, because the conversation is worth linking to). - Robert Scoble

I've noticed. My Friendfeed page shows up in a search for my name at about position 3 or 4 whereas for years the first instance of my actual self would show up around page 4. I'm not a content producer nor a particularly active person, so I figured it was FF picking up steam. - Rob H.

Gary: finally, FriendFeed is going to prove to be very resistant to spam for a whole lot of reasons, most of which I won't go into here because I don't want spammers to figure out ways around the resistance. But for one, if you block someone here it is a COMPLETE block, not half assed like over on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Robert what exactly were the terms of the contest? Did it expressly say something to the effect that interviews were guaranteed by public vote, influenced by public vote or just that they asked the public to vote? - Melanie Reed

Melanie: they asked the public to vote and then, apparently, didn't care what the public said. - Robert Scoble

Robert thanks for clarifying. Well, they're off the hook legally. But they simply didn't understand the implied "rules" of SM, which, let's face it, can be intimidating for the uninitiated. I have no background on how "initiated" the MG SM team were but it is possible, indeed, appears plausible that they didn't even expect that much feedback. Which only goes to show that perhaps many in... more... - Melanie Reed

Melanie: yeah, you really need to read Jim Louderback (Revision 3's CEO) take on it: http://louderback.com/2009... - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes. This was about "hearing the message" in the public dialogue that all good advertising campaigns should understand. It just happens faster on the Internet. And it recalls parallels in the "Palace vs. the Death of Princess Diana and the Public Reaction" dilemma. If I was going to teach a SM class to Enterprise SM teams, I would start there with elements they could relate to and then progress to the Murphy-Goode Affair. ;) - Melanie Reed

FriendFeed ranks very well for me and often appears higher than my blog; however, since my blog is relatively new and fast-growing, those results are changing. My blog posts appear here in FriendFeed in near real-time, then get tweeted out with FF URLs re-directing back to my blog, so I am leveraging FriendFeed's Google juice to promote my blog's ranking and it is working! FriendFeed is one of my top inbound link referrers to my blog - Yay! :) - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

I think Friendfeed posts with more like will definetly get more Google juice. Friendfeed often has a higher page rank than blogs because Friendfeed links back and all the conversation is generally here than at the blog. - wiredgnome from iPod

Not just for Google. also Bing, Yahoo, and some up-and-coming search engines - TransContext Steve

Graeme Thickins

huh, Bit.ly says they'll be back in an hour? this gives me a chance to try http://tr.im ....

July 24, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

You should try su.pr. Great stats plus you get posts put into the StumbleUpon system. - Gary

thanks, Gary! will try it - Graeme Thickins from email

Arleen Boyd

JUST for FriendFeed NOT CCed to Twitter. I'm trying not to lose my Aloha over how friggin' CENSORED Twitter is getting! Tweets not seen by all. Many people are getting "UNindexed." Even their trending topics! Tell me! What's YOUR take on this?

July 8, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Come to FriendFeed and stay? :p But NEVER lose the Aloha. :) - Josh Haley

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I'm baffled by twitter these days. It's like they make these changes at random. Sigh. - Bill Sodeman

Agree whole heartedly with you guys. Problem is so many people I communicate with are on Twitter. But, slowly but surely I am migrating them here. I'm lovin' FriendFeed - Arleen Boyd

For a power user like you, this is good news for FF! Aloha! :-) - Richard Walker

Yep, what they said. :) - Arlan K.

What I'd like to know is how to help people over to FF withOUT attracting all the fakeHO accounts and malicious style marketers (yes I market - PLZ don't throw me in w/ all "those" internet marketers. I go by numbers and analytics!) - Arleen Boyd

Arlene, don't worry about the spammers invading FF. Our community does a good job of reporting spammers - and that helps FF ban 'em ASAP. We're also a much smaller target than Twitter. Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Bill Sodeman

I believe we'll see more of the same from Twitter until they reach their tipping point. To scale Twitter, you have to scale the management team first (like Google did), then scale the company, then put people on these problems. 45 people can't sustain this ad-hoc approach. - Blaine Berger at E-Oasis

+1 eoasis - I said the same things months ago. Twitter needs, ahem, adult supervision and scalable systems. - Bill Sodeman

Well Bill, they just had a board meeting. Burn rates are like gravity. They have a way of injecting some reality into the equation. Let's see how long it will take before they get serious about scalable systems (including scaling their management and people). - Blaine Berger at E-Oasis

#eoasis It's taken too long... someone's gonna write a helluva book about Twitter after they're acquired and the failwhale stops twitching. - Bill Sodeman

Bill - That book exposing certain aspect of social media is already being written with documentation. =) Very open to adding pages with full credits given to anyone who has additional thought or "juice with proof." - Arleen Boyd

Arleen - Good for you! Sounds like a great reason to do some research in San Francisco. - Blaine Berger at E-Oasis

I haven't heard of people getting censored. I've heard of spammers being banned. What do you mean? - Joshua M

plus, FF has realtime! - Josh Betz

I don't see how 45 people at twitter could possibly begin to address their issues. They probably do care but suffer from fail-to-scale. They have to care about Twitter Quitter yet no initiatives? Nielson should be due out with an update soon on Twitter Quitter abandon curve. - Blaine Berger at E-Oasis

Hurm. A book, you say? Interesting thought! - Bill Sodeman

I haven't noticed anything - Gary

Suspend Twitter...Mosey along..to Friendfeed. There's a 'Hole in Twitter' - ilaxi

Arleen, I have been using twitter much this weather. But I kinda know what you mean. - Hugh Fraser

Bill H- The FF discussion threads like this are a real enticement for folks to come here. And it has been something I've used to chat up FF to get folks to come over. Will be doing more of that! - Arleen Boyd

What Joshua M said above... Please explain "Tweets not seen by all. Many people are getting "UNindexed". What's going on? I'm not on Twitter much at all anymore. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

some people just disappear from search. Add to that many have prefixed their tweets to get around the @ reply limitation, and there is simply no way to reconstruct conversations. That particular scale-fail whale is increasingly common. Another way twitter fails at threading, is that not all in_reply_to's actually link to anything. twitter is good for short exchanges, but increasingly... more... - motownmutt

I don't like censorship but I am pleased that they are at least trying to do something about some of the crap you do get from time to time. EG sexbots etc If they can keep it as civilised as FF then they would be doing well. - Kevin J Hatton

Bret Taylor to Bret's feed, FriendFeed News

We started including FriendFeed subscriber counts when we crawl your blog's feed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...

June 18, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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This means that, if you use a service FeedBurner, your subscriber totals will include FriendFeed subscribers in addition to subscriber counts from Google Reader, Bloglines, etc. For a lot of people like me, this will be a pretty significant boost in your overall subscriber numbers. - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

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This is great! Thanks! - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo

Not sure why it is called "friendfeedagg" right now :) We will ask them to make the name a bit friendlier, but the stats are there nonetheless. - Bret Taylor

What service did Kevin use to make that pie chart in the example? - Stephen Mack #TeamMomo

Thanks again to the FeedBurner team for working with us on this one - they were incredibly responsive and great to work with. - Bret Taylor

Stephen: the chart comes from FeedBurner ( http://feedburner.google.com/fb...) - Bret Taylor from email

Very interesting ! - Farzad

Great! - انجل

You can add your blog to your FriendFeed profile (if it isn't already there) at http://friendfeed.com/setting... - Bret Taylor

not sure if i like it... - team bonino

There is a problem. My followers on FriendFeed follow all my feeds, not only my blog. So the "attention focus" is different between one user that follows directly my blog via RSS and an user that follows all about me. Two different counts in the main page of FeedBurner, RSS and FF, would be great. - Alessandro Di Nicola

and for the reach stats? it's crawled? - Felter Roberto

I'm not sure this was the right thing to do. Yes, there are 200 people subscribed to me on friendfeed, and my blog entries fly by in their feed. But from the Google Analytics stats, there are essentially no referrals from friendfeed to actually read the blog posts. Someone who subscribes to the blog RSS feed can be said to have an intent to actually read the blog, A subscriber on friendfeed doesn't necessarily have such an intent. - DGentry

Unfortunately I suspect we'll see a TechCrunch article soon about "How To Inflate Your Subscriber Numbers Using friendfeed.com!" Edit: like the one they wrote about netvibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... - DGentry

I agree with DGentry and Alessandro, this may not be a good idea. The problem could occur when Twitter and Facebook start reporting subscribers in the same way. This could start a very bad trend. - Rob Diana

Hmm, I'm not sure if I like that. It surely inflates the subscriber-stats for the Feedburner-Feeds. - Marcel Weiß

I think this is a disaster for feedburner. I publish a full feed from my blog so subscribers get the same content they would have if they visited the site. I can lump that into traffic as if they were a site visitor. But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers. In looking at recent traffic, only 10 referrals out of 7,000 came from friendfeed. - Doug Cornelius

I agree - I am not loving this for my feedburner stats, seems not quite right. To me it seems like FF subs are subscribing less to my blog feed and more to me and my general commentary/presence on FF. It seems a little inflationary for rss sub numbers. I prefer to keep them separate, rss subs and ff subs. - felix

but feedburner shown who "WANT" read our feed o who CAN read it? i think the second. And now it's the same. :) - Felter Roberto

I'm awaiting Louis Gray's opinion. I think he had 8,500 RSS subscribers before, and now has 13,814. Which is the more accurate representation of the number of regular readers of louisgray.com ? - DGentry

perhaps is better crawl blog's feed really show in FF. If i go out and my pc in off all the day, my google reader don't read any feed e my ff don't show me any message, Feedburner count me for FF and don't for google reader. And tomorrow, when i turn on my pc, my google reader download all the feed and i can read also the post of the day before, but FF show me only the last message and i lose all of the post. - Felter Roberto

Whoa, awesome!! FriendFeed rocks! :) My new blog at http://susanbeebe.com now has a huge potential for additional subscribers due to this great new feature FF just added, THANK YOU! :) - Susan Beebe

Wow my subscribers just jumped up 3000% - Ralph Whitbeck

What's done can not be theoretically undone - so if this is the way it is, it should stay, or our one-time blips will look odd, won't they? DGentry, I don't know if I am in love with it. I think Rob is right in terms of it rendering the number meaningless. I've been excited to see my numbers go from 5,000 to 8,000 naturally (I guess) in the last two months. This means I can't celebrate that jump. - Louis Gray

Doug said: "But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers." A lot of people use Google Reader in list view, which is *almost* the same thing as just seeing a title. There's no way to differentiate between those subscribers and ones which see the full content. Or subscribers that choose to mark all your items as read or just ignore them without even looking at the titles. - Tony Ruscoe

For Louis, I guess the saving grace here is that you can see the breakdown in FeedBurner and choose to ignore FriendFeed if you wish. That means you can still watch your "normal" subscriber numbers climb and celebrate hitting 8,000 subscribers naturally. (You just can't share that number in a chicklet...) - Tony Ruscoe

Tony: agreed these issues already exist for RSS subscription counts, and for web based readers such as gReader users could be counted even if completely inactive - Mike Chelen

If someone subscribes to me on FriendFeed but also subscribes via other means - are those deduped or do they essentially get counted twice? - AJ Kohn

AJ, I assume yes. - Louis Gray

They get double counted, naturally. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

What if more than one user has the same feed, like Philipp and I do for the Google Blogoscoped blog feed? Does that add together both of our subscriber totals? And does it include all the subscribers for all the groups where it's been added too? (Cross-posted from http://ff.im/47QNJ.) - Tony Ruscoe

One clear flaw of this is that my wife's blog at http://www.thegrayeffect.com, says it now has more than 9,300 readers, up from 50 yesterday. That's clearly wrong. - Louis Gray

This is very bad! Of course I'd like higher numbers of RSS subscribers but this is a fake number. Please consider this again... - Marko Saric

Louis I think thats the general problem: when someone subscribes to you on ff, are they also a subscriber to you on every one of the services you import? You import thegrayeffect.com as an RSS feed, and you have 9270 subscribers here, therefore thegreyeffect.com has 9270 new readers. More broadly, does a subscriber to the aggregate feed also count as a subscriber to every individual component of that feed? Or is the sum greater than the individual parts? - DGentry

I saw a huge jump in subscribers today. I thought that Feedburner was broken. This explains it. - Gary

Tony and Louis, the multi-author blog is one of those feeds that causes problems. I did not like this to start, and I am beginning to think I like it even less. - Rob Diana

I hope Twitter and others don't get the same idea... - Marko Saric

Hummm. As much as I like the idea, it seems destined to provide incentive for people to beg for subscribers here on FriendFeed which is exactly the behavior that I seek to avoid, and has been generally devoid on FriendFeed to date. It rewards FriendFeed usage and - as such - helps FriendFeed grow but ... is it the *right* growth? - AJ Kohn

OK. Now I understood why my Feedburner count was inflated. I think, this is not a right thing to do. - Krishnamoorthy

I actually REALLY dislike this A LOT. My subscriber count was a great measuring stick for me and also a solid indication of how many people -might- actually be reading my content. The vast majority of my subscribers here aren't reading my blog. It's very misleading and makes the RSS subscriber count a lot more meaningless to me. - Ryan Stephens

Rob, one of the oddities here is that FriendFeed shows more than 9,000 adds to TheGrayEffect, but only about 5,000 to louisgray.com. That may be due to deduplication, but it is certainly odd. - Louis Gray

howtomakemyblog: Twitter and Friendfeed are in this regard completely different services and I therefor don't see any way in which Twitter could do something like this. But Jaiku might do it. - Horst Gutmann from IM

I'm wondering, though: are people who hide the blog feed substracted from the number of subscribers? - Horst Gutmann from IM

The easy fix is to disconnect my blog feed from FriendFeed. Otherwise the subscriber numbers are useless. --- So I did. That seems like a bad result for FriendFeed. - Doug Cornelius

Wow Doug, you chose Feedburner stat purity over FF conversations? That's pretty surprising to me. I suppose you can always tweet your posts into FF if you really want 'em to show up. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

I just deleted my blog feed from FriendFeed... it's a stupid change really... fake, inflated numbers... it's much easier to get a FriendFeed subscriber than a real RSS subscriber. And also a real RSS subscriber is much more likely to take a look at your article than a FriendFeed one.... spammers that want to boost their RSS subscriber numbers will love this though! - Marko Saric

I can't help but notice that Marko and Doug have 350ish FF comments each. I suppose that shades your perception of this change in a different way than it might for someone who - like me - has orders of magnitude more FF comments than blog posts. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Daniel, the fact that they have a smaller comment count should be concerning to FriendFeed because those are the users they need to keep. People like myself and more active users are not going anywhere. - Rob Diana

HAHAH - now i see what happened - i don't use my feedburner feed here for CN - but for my other sites I do - so now I see I got about 2,000-2,500 bump for those feeds today - yea, like 2,500 people coming to insidetransit every day - i wish! as Rob says, these numbers are meaningless and shouldn't be reported this way. just like the other "defaults" on some of the other services like google reader. mystery solved. - Allen Stern

Oh yeah I'm not saying FF should keep the feature as is - it's misleading at best - just that I was surprised that anyone values their Feedburner count over their FF stream's purity. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

So who's really at fault here? FF for taking advantage of Feedburner's poor implementation of subscriber counts or Feedburner for offering the possibility? - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Do you think FriendFeed had any idea there would be this many people talking about it? - Rob Diana

So is it better to turn it off altogether or to make it a toggleable feature that users can choose to use or abuse at their discretion? - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

@Rob - Who knows what FF expected, but it's really cool to see discussion evolving around this in a live FF thread. People are being mostly civil and constructive and it's all happening right here on the FF thread. I guarantee you FF HQ is reading this and staying hands off for a few hours until they can figure out a solid response. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Instead of deleting your blog feed from FriendFeed, you could just provide FriendFeed with your actual feed URL instead of the FeedBurner one. (I don't think the feed URL actually gets published anywhere by FriendFeed, does it?) - Tony Ruscoe

daniel - you cant do that - then x blog says "we have y subs" while z blog says "we have a subs" and x gets the ad deal because they have more subs, etc. sadly advertisers and agencies still don't get that the number is meaningless. - Allen Stern

@Allen - Most of us here aren't directly making money off of subscriber counts, but I appreciate that this would be an issue of great importance to you. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Daniel: No matter how active you are on FriendFeed, if you think a FriendFeed subscriber is just as valuable to your blog as your RSS subscriber, you are fooling yourself. And I am talking about value to your blog as that is what RSS subscriber number represents, not about relationships / conversations etc. you might have wit hyour "subscriber" on FriendFeed... - Marko Saric

I think my Friendfeed network is more valuable to me than my blog's readership, but I still keep the blog around for the few unique things it can offer me: A well-developed body of work to point to in professional situations, google juice, and a place to share long-form ideas. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

So if I could get Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis and Leo Laporte to add my post-every-six months blog to their feeds, does that mean Feedburner would show I have 100K subscribers? - Ken Sheppardson

This will definitely be abused by spammers who will use it as an opportunity to inflate their RSS numbers and make their blogs seem more important to potential advertisers, readers, subscribers etc who are unaware of this FriendFeed change. - Marko Saric

Jason Calacanis To Pay Friendfeed $200,000 For Spot on Suggested Users List - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

+1 Daniel - Allen Stern

There's no reason Twitter couldn't turn around and do the same thing, right? Heck, they could set up a service to automatically tweet your RSS feed over to Twitter on your behalf, then just add the number of Twitter subscribers you have to their stats. I think this is more a Feedburner fail than a FriendFeed issue. - Ken Sheppardson

Seems like maybe somebody took all the "Have you ditched Google Reader for FriendFeed" threads the wrong way... hm. - Ken Sheppardson

What about making this optional per feed? - Horst Gutmann from IM

Ken, right now Twitter doesn't request any feeds though. Those numbers get into FeedBurner by FriendFeed providing a subscriber count in the USER_AGENT header when they request the feed. - Tony Ruscoe

I'm surprised Feedburner agreed to this. Next Twitter will ask that followers on their service count as readership. - Aviv

Aviv - that presumes that FF and FB had a discussion about this. It reads to me like FB always allowed polling agents to specify a subscriber count via their API and that the FF team just decided to change the way they utilize that feature. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

If someone subscribes to your blog feed using Google Reader, it doesn't mean they read it. Likewise, if someone subscribes to your FriendFeed, they may or may not read your blog posts. Subscriber numbers are all about reach. I see no difference between FriendFeed and Google Reader. Your subscribers see what you're posting and decide whether they want to read it. Using web analytics... more... - Tony Ruscoe

tony +1 - Horst Gutmann from IM

Tony, you're right about RSS subscribers being able to skip over your posts at will but there's still a disctinction to be made between subscribing directly to a blog feed (traditional) versus subscribing to the totality of a person's shared activity (friendfeed). The former implies an explicit interest in the blog, the latter does not. Moreover FF makes it trivial for a user to subscribe to a person and then perma-hide their blog posts if for example you like talking to Louis Gray but not about his blog. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Tony, you have to agree that subscribing on Google Reader means at the very least that right now, at the time of adding that subscription, you have the intention of reading future blog posts. But with FF, I don't think I'm even aware of blogs maintained by 90% of the people I'm subscribed to. - Aviv

VERY cool. - Shey

Daniel, Aviv, good points. But I think that by subscribing to a person, you're generally interested in them and what they have to say. Blogs are merely a subset of that person. The big problem for me is that there's no way to verify that you own a blog feed, so (I think) it will inflate your subscribers if it's added to multiple user accounts and groups even without your permission. - Tony Ruscoe

To put it another way, should anyone in your field care that your mom reads your blog? We all know she's just doing it because she loves you, not because your blog is so gosh darned wonderful. FF subscribers in FB stats are the same thing - people like *you* and while that might carry over to a limited interest in your blog it certainly doesn't imply that many of them have ever read it. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

I subscribe to blogs of people I know because of who they are (in addition to blogs which interest me) even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject they write about just in case they write something I like. The fact that I know them and like them as a person often means we've got at least one thing in common. And vice versa. I like reading lots of my FriendFeed subscriptions' blogs but I've never subscribed in Google Reader, so FriendFeed is currently the only way they can see me as a statistic. - Tony Ruscoe

Fb must count only the number of post link shown on FF, exactly how count how much feed google reader download from the blog. it's different that to use the contact number at all. it's possible? i don't know - Felter Roberto from twhirl

Innovative. I don't use FeedBurner on my blog, so not seeing the effect. Still relying on the Google Reader count of subscribers. - Hutch Carpenter

Yet another great reason for a blogger to invest time in the friendfeed community! - Garin Kilpatrick

So ... if I convince other people to use my blog as one of their fed items, then I pick up the amount of people who are subscribed to them as well? Or create a new account and put a few different blogs on it and get people to subscribe. Or 'trade' a feed for a feed with others to boost each other's counts? The more I think about this, the more I dislike it. - AJ Kohn

Hmm nice. Just jumped from about 5 to 148 with tobiasverhoog.com I do think though that friendfeeders may read my feed differently than subscribers via Google Reader or another feedreader. - TobiasVerhoog.com

Uh, maybe it's because I have not had my coffee but where do I see this shiny chart? Friendfeed? Feedburner? - Rick Cogley

Rick: you can see it in FeedBurner - Bret Taylor from email

Bret: thanks. Yes indeed it's there. :-) - Rick Cogley

and another thing to add onto what Daniel has been saying: hides. if I have 10 FF subscribers but 3 of them are hiding my blog entries, does it report the subscriber to Feedburner as 10, or 7? if it's the former, then the Feedburner stats become really inflated. - chrisofspades

also, there's nothing in FriendFeed that stops me from importing someone else's blog, which means I can artificially inflate their Feedburner stats without them even knowing I did it. seems ripe for gaming, to me. - chrisofspades

Right, Chris. As I have 9,000 potential to add to you, I'll start selling slots for $9k. - Louis Gray

as enticing as that is Louis, I don't have a blog ;) - chrisofspades

how does it know to link it to your feedburner? - Gary

Gary, first of all you need to be using FeedBurner for your blog feed. Each time FF requests your feed, they include the number of subscribers in the user agent string. FeedBurner then uses that number to include in the stats for your feed. (If you don't use FeedBurner, you'll still be able to see the stats in your web logs each time your feed is requested.) - Tony Ruscoe from fftogo

So that's what happened.... - Spot us

Robert Scoble

Arrington says friendfeed has no one on it. Not this again! Heh. :-)

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Seriously, are we gonna get trapped by this again? - Eric - seven eleven

Didn't we go through this a few weeks ago? - LPH™ and his dog P™

I was just thinking about this.... I wish Friendfeed would allow me to update everything as easily and as intuitively as Twitter does... then I would ditch Twitter. - Daniel Zarick

My eye roll, let me show you it. - Rochelle

=/= p - Zu from AOD

Instead I use Twitter to update everything on a regular basis and hardly ever interact on FF. My family watches my Twitter updates to keep up with everything I do when we can't always talk. I wish I was able to do that with Friendfeed... - Daniel Zarick

Arrington again? *long sigh* - Mo Kargas

+2 - Wayne Sutton

I just opened friendfeed for the second time in 6 months. Twitter web user. - Chris Wallace

Hmm. I wonder why techcrunch auto-posts to ff then? - Shivanand Velmurugan

I guess I can quit "liking" any techcrunch articles over here since no one will notice. - John Spyers

Been on it a long time, but rarely visited it until today... Still have a lot to learn. Glad I have a smart guide [you] for this journey. Thanks Robert. - David Damore

Sorry Santiago, Arrington won't see this. We are lowly to him. We are not worthy. We are not the elite. He doesn't mix with people here. - Eric - seven eleven

What basis does JJ Arrington base this opinion? ;) - Rick Bucich

I'm here, you're here. Wayne Sutton is here. Who else do they need? - Schneider Mike

Not enough people? What the hell does it want to use it for, a news source, a social network, a log of his friends, the world census? If it doesn't meet his needs then it doesn't, but if he's trying to use it for something other than what it is... - xero

I'm here :) - atanas

Little does he know - TheHenry

Jesse Newhart says we're the "cool kids", that's good enough for me. http://ff.im/2jgoJ - Sharon McPherson

Arrington needs a hobby. I recommend he try jumping off a pier. - Steven Perez

I think I'm going to change my name to "no one" so he can be right for once ;-) - Jesse Stay

I wish I could "like" comments haha. Jesse, that was cheesy, but good. :) - Daniel Zarick

Hm. If Twitter is everyone, friendfeed is no one, then what's Facebook? - Jason Nunnelley

"No one" is a variable number somewhere between 20k and 60k users in Arrington's vocabulary. - rob friedman

On the Friendfeed login page, under the "Testimonials" tab, there is one by Arrington. - vimoh

Not sure what he means, but the right people are on it :) - anna sauce

Humm. I guess you can't see through rose colored glasses - Keith Barrett

Some people base decisions on popularity and others on quality. Is Arrington in the former camp? - Christopher Harper

TechCrunch must have lost some subscribers eh? - AJ Kohn

Maybe she was following the people from the recommended followers list. Many of them are never even on friendfeed. It's time that ff add some new people to it. Like Mona, and Kol to name a few. - Michael Fidler

So I take it that FriendFeed will have one only when Britney Spears signs in... - Nir Ben Yona

I prefer to be with a few interesting people than with many noisy & boring people :P - stanjourdan

Awwww don't worry... He's just still pissed his Geocities account is going away. He worked haaard on the blinking text and animated GIF files... - Johnny

Mike misses the FAILWHALE yep it's twitter only... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Arrington is pretty much detached of whats really going on. - Amit Morson

Mike's street cred is slipping if he really believes FF is a ghost town. - Bernie Goldbach

It does not benefit Mike for us to be here. Therefore, we are not here. - Louis Gray

Go easy on him, Scobleizer. Not every A-lister is as prescient as you. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Most hard core bloggers and Arrington et. al care about one thing: traffic generation. Nuff said. - coldbrew

Thanks for the mention, Michael. I've said before the suggested list could perhaps have some changes. Sure some of the most popular users are good choices, like Robert, but some aren't great examples of the service, i.e. users who pump RSS imports from their sites without any native FF activity to speak of. Mr Arrington being one of them. ;-) Kinda funny as one of his posts for his favourite services or most used services for 2009 included FriendFeed. That made me chuckle. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I think his 15 minutes are up. - Brian Sullivan

++ Louis Gray - Amit Morson

FF is geographically (Bay Area) and niche (tech) focused. If you are an outsider to either of those, FF isn't that welcoming. - Gary

Well I'm here. Also, this had better not get bigger than my last word thread. - Mike Nayyar

i wish friendfeed had a facebook invite... i have like one personal friend on friendfeed... to me its more like strangerfeed. - Wesley Robin Guerrero

Yes Wesley, but my Facebook is full of my friends and to be honest, facebook is now 'just like friendfeed, except without all the valuable stuff'. Yeah i know what that says about my friends:) but FF accelerates my discovery of valuable stuff, and FB is full of the inane - Paul Moss

He is in denial - again DOH! - Susan Beebe

+1 Mark - andy brudtkuhl

+1 Gary. FriendFeed.com is still (and will probably stay) a service for geeks. Its traffic is still below the geek line (i.e. Techrunch visitors/month) - Jeremy Chone

The fact that Arrington is even talking about friendfeed is great free press and likely pushes people to go check it out. Perhaps he's the "Yang" to Scoble's "Ying" in terms of the Scoble-effect? - Chris Aldrich

By no one -- he means himself surely -- don't see him here. - Brian Sullivan

Cool. If everyone and their grandma (and their favorite talk show hostess) was on FriendFeed, all the big boys and girls would be declaring it dead, now, like they're doing with Twitter. - MiniMage

Not sure why people still take Arrington seriously. But I have learned the hard way that critical mass is pretty much the only thing that matters for social networks... - Thomas Wilsher

The problem isn't that there's noone on ff it's that noone knows anyone else on it. - Damian Murphy

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