I left a comment...I'm curious about the connection he draws between disagreeing with LJ's promotion of the AL, and the use of Movers & Shakers to promote oneself. David?
- Jason Griffey
I'll be curious to hear what David says about that. I think that there would be a bit of a disconnect if the same person is saying "LJ editorial standards are crap because they publish the AL" and "I am proud to have the LJ editors' seal of approval as a Mover and Shaker."
- s t e v e
Erm. If LJ editorial standards are crap, I'm in trouble, 'long of how I've been published there and all.
- D0r0th34
I don't think I'd say that LJ's editorial standards are crap...even though I DO disagree with them publishing the AL. But that said, I really see M&S as an award from my peers...someone had to nominate me (probably several someones). But maybe that's me over-parsing my personal part of it. Plus, what Dorothea said...
- Jason Griffey
Well, note that I said "*if* someone is saying that." I'm not personally concerned about it, but that's what I think David is saying. He also says that LJ publishes lots of stuff that reflects badly on librarians.
- s t e v e
Wonderful. I keep thinking whether I should try to say something about this whole event, and David's done such a fine job here that I probably won't. Doubt that I'll do any vlogs, but I sure liked this one. (And I've commented at David's blog, to close the circle.)
- Walt Crawford
Well, and I quibble with the idea that LJ is a library-propaganda arm constrained to publish only "rah-rah libraries!" stuff. Some of the stuff librarians do is bogus. If LJ reports that, more power to LJ.
- D0r0th34
And this is the answer? Yup. Right on David!
- ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Weak editorial standards can still allow in good stuff- and there *is* good stuff in LJ. There's also a lot of crap.
- David Rothman (☤)
Barbara Fister. Andrew Albanese (before he moved to PW, sigh). Peter Jaczo. They publish better stuff than American Libraries at present.
- D0r0th34
Wondering if AL will be nominated or receive M&S for 2010...would be kind of like when Time was going to give Man of the Year to Osama bin Laden. Time's comment: "He is not a larger than life figure with broad historical sweep...he is smaller than life, a garden-variety terrorist whose evil plan succeeded beyond his highest hopes."
- Lori Reed
Mister Muggles was played (with unusual patience) by my kitty, Shelby....who felt it was a good stretch to play a male cat.
- David Rothman (☤)
Very well done, David. I tried to stay out of this fray as much as I could because it devolved into name calling/dogpiling on both sides, but your video is a voice of reason (hopefully just one among many).
- cecily
Best thing I've watched online in ages! :) I honestly can't say that I disagree with anything you said there. I totally wrote off M&S after they honored a certain master of sock-puppetry (though I probably should have sooner).
- Meredith
In addition to praising the content (with which I can't find fault), I also want to say that I've never quite gotten the point of videos that are just a talking head...why not just write down what you have to say? Except, now I get it. Bravo.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Ditto Catherine! I've never been much of a video person. This is everything a video blog post should be, but usually isn't.
- Meredith
Catherine, I had the same reaction. Usually I feel like, "I just want to read your words at my own pace. Please no video." This piece convinced me that sometimes it's worth it to hit Play. :)
- Rachel Walden
It was so helpful to have all of David's inflections and mannerisms the occasional silly face. It would have come across quite differently in print, I think.
- marthalib
What Rachel, Catherine, Marthalib and Meredith just said. Damn, there are a lot of smart female librarians on FF. (Maybe that's because there are a lot of smart...oh, never mind.)
- Walt Crawford
Yeah, it transmits all of those non-verbal cues quite nicely that we wouldn't have gotten with just the text. Plus, I made it through David's entire video without wanting to stop it. That wasn't a bad way to spend roughly 7 minutes.
- Peter Murray
David, I wish there was a non-award that I could "nominate" you for. 'Cause that was your greatest video ever.
- Greg Schwartz
Finally got to watch this. Completely brilliant. Thank you
- laura x
Mr. Rothman provides a fine model for avoiding ad hominem attacks while being constructively critical. Bravo.
- Evil Librarian
Y'all are very kind- thanks for all the feedback. :)
- David Rothman (☤)
This was great. Part of me wonders, though, how honest and forthright some folks (maybe not you) would be with criticism of Library 101 if the AL hadn't been so snarky about it in the first place. But that doesn't detract from how much I enjoyed this. Thanks, David.
- Joan
I think that if AL hadn't been so snarky then ppl who found the video lame would probably have looked at the *intention* of the project - to work together to discuss essential skills for librarians given the technological/social climate- and put their energy there instead of discussing whether low blows and rudeness are appropriate professional skills.
- Kathryn says love n peace
from iPhone
Whatever your views, you have to realize that DR wants to suppress certain forms of expression, while LJ tries to find things to publish. Surely librarians believe in the LJ way. Ad Hominem comment is not new to librarianship. I remember when the gret Jesse Shera said the great Lawrence Clark Powell acted like "a butterfly in heat."
- John Berry
HAH! That's pretty funny, Mr. Berry. No, I don't want to suppress anything. Shera's comments were ATTRIBUTED TO HIM. I think you make your trade mag look even worse than it is by publishing nasty remarks from an unidentified author, that's all. Thanks, though, for trying to cast me as pro-censorship! That'll give a lot of people I know a really good chuckle. :)
- David Rothman (☤)
One last thought. John Berry wrote that "LJ tries to find things to publish." Try harder, dude. There's LOTS of great writing you could've decided to publish- but in order to get as many clicks as possible, you went for the lowest common denominator: pseudonymous nastiness.
- David Rothman (☤)
Is that really John Berry? Or is there a sock puppet among us?
- Katy S
Katy++. JBerry isn't the hit-and-run type, I don't think; he ought to know better by now.
- D0r0th34
I'd like to think that the real John Barry recognizes the difference between solid criticism & suppression. I mean, that's a college freshman-level argument.
- josh neff, geek at large
Hehehe. Trying to find Berry's columns in the Wayback Machine or Google Cache on the "annoying librarian" from 2007, but it's all midget porn comments now.
- s t e v e
I can come up with my new job title. My old one is Instruction Librarian for User Education Technologies, indicating that I'm the instructional technology "expert" librarian. I'm now also the liaison librarian for the department of Communication (Journalism and Speech). The first part isn't going away, I'm just adding the second part.
What should my next set of biz cards say? I like "Communication Librarian" but that sort of implies that I'm in charge of communicating, not that I work with the Comm department.
- Jàson Puçkett
Oh, Holly. Of course! I would love to see an official card that just says "Jason Puckett, Librarian X" with no contact info or anything.
- s t e v e
Who needs contact info? People have Google now. :) Aaron, they're trying to get us away from "Liaison" in the titles now for some reason. They even said that some people are dropping "Librarian." I said "It's on my arm, I don't mind having it on my card too."
- Jàson Puçkett
I'm thinking that my next batch of moo cards will have just my email address and my ubiquitous username on them
- DJF
my business cards finally arrived. part of the design is a hole, i like that. i could care less what the title is, it's silver and yellow and there's a hole.
- tara
a hole? a nameless existential void in the business card that represents your professional life? Or just some lame arty marketting thing?
- DJF
New Zealand money has holes in it! Well, a transparent plastic spot among the opaque plastic remainder. But you can see through it! Also, apparently if you iron New Zealand money it shrinks but remains legal tender. I haven't tried this, partly because it would require locating my iron. ObAntiThread-drift: What's wrong with "Expert Instructional Technology Librarian for User Education...
more...
- Deborah Fitchett
Heh heh. I'm thinking "Librarian for Communication and Educational Technologies," maybe. That or "Herald of Galactus" maybe.
- Jàson Puçkett
I have also long favoured truth in advertising and just putting "Other Duties as Assigned" on the card.
- DJF
OMG people, I am so embarrassed. The SirsiDynix open source thing was supposed to be Abram's submission to Librarian Bomb--a satire of what a desperate purveyor of expensive, unfriendly software would say to customers who are considering dumping them for open source competitors. How those wiki people got it, I have no idea.
I told him his earlier submission was weak--I think it had something to do with FUD about SLA/AskPro? I thought this was much more inspired (if long).
- s t e v e
Hi, Luke. True Neutral here, with a slight tendency toward Good.
- D0r0th34
I've been around for a long, long time (in FriendFeed years), but this seems like a good time to introduce myself, especially to the newer folks. I'm Iris. I'm an academic reference & instruction librarian at Carleton College, and I blog at http://pegasuslibrarian.com/. Nice to meet you!
- Imitation lris
chaotic neutral means never having to say you're sorry!
- D0r0th34
Me = reference & instruction librarian at Metropolitan State University in MN, medlib, my blog is dead, very dog centric, prefers dark chocolate to milk, likes raisins, hates cantaloupe, and I'll take anchovies on my pizza.
- marthalib
hey! where'd my comment go?! it was: "Aaron the Librarian - alignment: "Chaotic Neutral" (a.k.a. "Chaotic Loose Canon") - nice ta meetcha!
- awd
If you have questions about the myriad manifestations of LSW, how things work (or don't) or anything else, let us know.
- marthalib
hi to everyone, old & young. :-) I'm director of the UNC journalism school library in Chapel Hill, tweeting @jomcparklib (work) & @cogscilibrarian (cog sci stuff)
- Stephanie_Happy2010!
nice to meet all of you too. i'm a longtime lsw lurker, director of library tech & historical collections at ut health science center san antonio, used to blog a lot but not lately. neutral good with chaotic midlife crisis tendencies.
- Luke Rosenberger
Luke, I'm thinking you are the person who wrote the blog post about Wikipedia and community gardening way back in the days of old (like 2005?). Anyway, welcome to the madhouse! And welcome also Joan! I am a librarian in a tiny library in northwestern Wyoming, and I blog about library things at http://newrambler.net/lisdom.
- laura x
so perhaps i should tell you who i am. i have a brand spanking new job that i adore, as humanities and social sciences librarian at portland (oregon) state u. right before i got here i was at the american u in cairo (egypt), so i'm a repatriating/recovering expat as well. plus i'm a unc-chapel hill undergrad and sils grad and fiercely rabid tar heel. thanks for the welcomes!
- Joan
Neat (good idea, Martha). Welcome, new kids. I'm Steve Lawson, humanities librarian at Colorado College, a small private liberal arts college in Colorado Springs. I'm a bit of a loudmouth, so don't hesitate to tell me to sit down when I get excited.
- s t e v e
I'm Josh Neff, one of the Web Content Developers at the Johnson County Library in Johnson County, KS (part of the Kansas City Metro Area). I'm sometimes called "Sheriff." I'm also pretty excitable. Also, I have a funny definition of "professional."
- josh neff, geek at large
I'm Andrew Shuping, Learning Commons/Emerging Tech/ILL librarian at Mercer Univ. Macon, GA. I like to ask questions...sometimes I'm decent at answering them also :)
- Sir Shuping
Hi n00bs and not so n00bs: I am Maurice Coleman, technical trainer at Harford County (MD) public library, presenter, consultant and host of the library training podcast T is for Training. The show's site is http://tisfortraining.wordpress.com You will find me on the interwebs with the username baldgeekinmd and the icon of Save Libraries Everywhere. I blog (not very often) at http://baldgeek.wordpress.com Enjoy the LSW. It is what you make it. And you should make it better!
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
*waves* Hi y'all. I'm still in my first year (barely) at the University of Central Oklahoma doing serials and electronic resources. Joan: Jealous of you being in Portland! Hope you're liking it there.
- Kirsten
Hi and welcome both new & old fogies (especially Joan, we need more PNW here!!) :) I'm Nikki Dettmar, medical librarian at http://nnlm.gov/pnr/ in Seattle. I'm obsessed with distance education (teaching/coordinating webinars & online async classes), keeping an eye on http://www.twitter.com/medlibs, and bacon. Pop 'clinical reader twitter' in Google for a demonstration of how LSW rules.
- Nikki D.
I'm walt crawford, a semi-retired former library systems person now living in the wine country. Oh, and I write stuff once in a while.
- Walt Crawford
Hi new people! I'm Rachel Walden, medical librarian at Eskind Biomedical Library of Vanderbilt in Nashville, TN.
- Rachel Walden
o hai everyone! I'm a Collection Development Librarian at the public library district in Vancouver, WA (*waves across the river to Joan at PSU*). it so good to see new (and old) faces here :)
- holly
Hi everyone! I mostly lurk, soaking up the enthusiasm and innovation which makes the LSW folks totally rock. I'm the Periodicals Librarian at U of. Wisc. - La Crosse and have a periodicals blog at http://uwlaxperiodicals.wordpress.com/.
- Jen
I would just like to point out that Jen is awesome. That is all.
- D0r0th34
Hello from snowy Denver, and D0r0th34 is awesome. That isn't the half of it.
- Joe
Madam Raccoon, Hedgie, Tim and Iris, are you in? Who else is in MN or WI?
- marthalib
I'm in - and I'm sure Galadriel is in as well. She's home with a very sick toddler today. Wishing them a speedy recovery.
- Jen
Oh, hello! Rochelle Hartman here. Manager of public library reference department in La Crosse, WI. All these Libraryland explosions today are making my head hurt. I use to blog at Tinfoil+Raccoon (which was 5 yrs old a few weeks ago), but keep it alive solely for the pleasure a small group of Warriors series fans who use a particular comments thread as their RPG site.
- Rochelle Rochelle
Meetup? La Crosse? LSW? Absolutely! Would it be insane to host a holiday soiree?
- Rochelle Rochelle
You bet, bring the meet up on!! I'm Abigail Goben, Youth Services Librarian for La Crosse Public. I work downstairs from Rochelle. I blog at hedgehoglibrarian.blogspot.com
- Abigail
Hello!, My name is Jason Fleming and I work for the University of Florida in the IT dept as the Staff IT Project Coordinator. Considering Joan's comment about joining ff to be a part of LSW. I wonder if we should seriously look into what the post-ff world might look like for the LSW
- JSNFLMNG
Howdy! I'm Megan, a mostly-lurker. I work at McGill University, up in the Great White North. I'm constantly grateful to LSW-ers for sharing their knowledge and humor/humour
- Megan Fitzgibbons
I'm head of the Steacie Science & Engineering Library at York University. Originally from Montreal (Yay McGill!), I've been in Toronto for a bit over 9 years. I've been blogging at Confessions of a Science Librarian for 7 years, first on Blogger and now for the Borg: http://scienceblogs.com/confess...
- John Dupuis
Were'd this intro's post come from? Where have I been all day?! Great to get some more formal greets from some of you out there. Me, I'm uncatagorizable (is that a word???) in every way! :-) I do a little bit of everything (instruction, web design, reference, collection dev, etc.) in working in upstate NY at Empire State College, SUNY, primarily with adult distance learning students.
- Dana Longley
Howdy lurkers, newish folks, etc.! I just subbed several of you so, yay, I now have 99 in my Librarians list. I work on a federal grant-funded project to support national and community service programs. I don't have a title that makes any sense so I'll skip that and just say I do lots of web stuff. We're located in Scotts Valley, CA and our web home is http://nationalserviceresources.org/ I very very rarely blog, but when I do, it's here: http://www.intelligenthumanagent.com/
- Laura Norvig
I'm game for the La Crosse meet-up! I'm in Rochester, MN. which isn't too far...
- Mary Beth Sancomb Moran
Have we heard from Secret Agent Fister yet?
- marthalib
secret agent Fister waves to all and sundry
- barbara fister
but will she come to the meetup? in disguise?
- D0r0th34
hi, i'm tara. i have pretty much the same clever username on most sites. i'm the systems and tech services librarian at a small art school in vancouver, bc. (hey Pacific Northwest folks!) i don't know a heck of a lot about any of those things, but i'm a fast learner and have strong opinions, so i fool people easily. i'm relieved and excited that you all exist.
- tara
"i'm relieved and excited that you all exist." Love that. I should add that the feeling is mutual.
- s t e v e
Wooo Tara! and reiterating on duh not knowing Holly was part of team PNW.
- Nikki D.
Hi, I'm David, I have the same name pretty much everywhere too. I'm the web services librarian at a university in southern Ontario. I too am very glad that you all exist, since we technical librarians tend to be solo librarians regardless of the size of the institution.
- DJF
I am considering whether trolls should introduce themselves or not.
- Evil Librarian
It's good to see the room grow. I made this room as FF's LSW outpost as well as the LinkedIN group, but I don't get to play much of late. I'm trying to make an effort to spend more time here through. FYI - I'm the Library Technology Services Leader for the libraries at North Carolina State University where I have operational oversight over our desktop and application support, network services, IT consulting, training, business analysis, etc.
- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
Which browser do you normally use? :-)
- Todd Hoff
It's about frickin' time, Guy! You're the guy who handed Steve Balmer a Macbook Air as a symbol of good design and yet you've been using Twitter all this time? Either start using friendfeed or switch to using Dells. You can't have it both ways. :)
- Alex Scoble
You missed out on the earlier days of FriendFeed, but then it's never too late to start using it.
- imabonehead
I don't think Guy understands he can write comments to his posts, instead of new posts to conversate
- Stephen Pickering
Welcome, we arent experts here but we manage to muddle through some how
- Robert Higgins
Alex: Can I get a Dell through you?
- Guy Kawasaki
Get it on! FF is just great, even for using it as a Twitter-app.
- Kolja
from Viigo
I use Both Twitter and FriendFeed and I'm happy with it.
- Svartling
from iPhone
Really! I thought you invented it ;)
- Bulent Keles
Friendfeed consolidates most all of the other social networks into one feed and then echos it out to twitter also, for the masses. FF is a well developed web app! The bookmarklet and web widgets work very well.
- Keith Rowland
congrats Guy! I think you'll like it :)
- Glenn Hilton
This is """literally""" the first time I commented on your feed. As always, welcome to new users such as yourself. Self + for my improper use of air qoutes.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPod
Poor Myrna must be bored everyone pile into her feed and entertain her!
- Geoff Schultz
I'm listening to Howard Dean and Bill Frist discuss Healthcare on Charlie Rose after hearing John Bolton on Jon Stewart destroy my mood about Iran, nuclear and WW3
- Myrna
War is soooooo 20th century. They need to get with it.
- Geoff Schultz
Welcome here, maybe it takes people like you to bring the finesse of FriendFeed to the world! (can't let @scobleizer do all the work on his own, can you?)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
now figure a way to have my friendfeed autopost alltop content, maestro!
- adam garrett