Oh yeah, daddy-o. Thanks for the spin!
- Dave Slusher
Hey, it was the one decent thing in the show! But I don't give a fuck. I call this one my Slusher show. The fact that people do listen stuns me, as I really *really* don't give a frogs fat ass. ;) E.
- Evo Terra
from email
I completely agree, Dave. Heck, we could have dressed like Sam at D*C!
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Sam has every single great line in the history of the show. So if you me and Sheila were dressed like Michael Sam and Fiona, could anyone even tell? That might be an interesting test.
- Dave Slusher
Dude, I WISH I could pull off Michael. Then again, Fi wouldn't be bad to have. I'd sure treat her better. Cripes... listen to me. Fanboi much?
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
It wasn't really podcasting per se that had me verklemmt. However, feeling a little down on what I saw from the community over the weekend to that point fed into it, as did my reunion with my old friend. It was a melange of stuff.
- Dave Slusher
feel ya - life can do that - you looked very upbeat in the photo w/ mur though - so you got that going for you ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
However, my breakdown was not because I was sad, kind of the opposite. I had just spent some time with a friend I hadn't seen in 17 years and her reaction precipitated my opening remarks to the panel. It was all about recalibrating what matters, which to me is always people and relationships. Much of what I saw from podcasters at D*Con was in the opposite direction, which is why I was chafing.
- Dave Slusher
I actually liked listening to your opening remarks.... not trying to be caustic but it kind of turned into a podcaster CJ after that
- mjc
Yeah, really Tee and Mike Stackpole seemed to grok best what I was going for. I thought it was going to be a solo presentation with lots of group interaction like my PME talks until I got to the con. I wasn't wild about a lot of the input, but I was kind of stuck at that point and I did my best to keep steering things the way I wanted them to go. Almost no one covers my beat, the other side is well represented everywhere.
- Dave Slusher
I also had a hard time getting out my core points concisely, which is "Podcasting matters because people matter and relationships matter. The medium is strongest when you do it in a way that preserves that, less so when you try to rebuild broadcast media with a different transmitter."
- Dave Slusher
i listened: you didn't "breakdown" dave you said something that was emotional from the heart - which is hard - it's also why you're so good and those of us who have been listening to you from day 1 still enjoy it - so rock on dave :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
is it just me or does evo sound like he had his beer on for this one - shocking ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike, thanks for the kind words. I wasn't sure if what I was doing had any value, and really once we got about 10 seconds in I didn't care. I turned off my brain and turned on my heart and went for it. And really, Evo always sounds like that.
- Dave Slusher
Hey, in my defense, I wasn't even supposed to BE on the panel. And I had just woken up from what was supposed to be 20 minute nap that turned in to an hour long nap where I slipped into deep REM. Had NO IDEA where I was 20 minutes before I sat in on that and was still rather dazed. Finally started feeling myself about an hour later. You know... when I had a beer.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Evo, I think you came in just after the introduction so you kind of missed the part where I tried to set the tone. No biggie, it is what it was. I'll keep at trying to keep the warmth and fuzziness in the medium.
- Dave Slusher
Yeah. I just wanted to watch you wail on Tee. Oh well, there will be other times.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
lol - ah sleep depredation & lack of beers, got it - love ya evo ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
But this has me wondering if being one of those two personality types is part of what led me to chafe some at the podcasting stuff at Dragon*Con? I have different priorities, and community and keeping others involved outweighs self-aggrandizement to me. MANY others see it differently.
I loved the weekend, loved seeing so many friends, loved the energy, got lots of good work done. However, there were points where I felt so out of sync with what mattered to most podcasters as to not be in the same field. I get the same feeling at NME every time I've been.
- Dave Slusher
Being an INTP myself, most conferences sit outside of my comfort zone by a wide margin. Even pushing myself outside of my comfort zone leaves me barely in view of most conferences and conventions. My priorities, the things that get me charged up, etc. tend not to align at all with most conferences. That's part of what I liked about what you did with CreateSouth.
- J Wynia
Damn J beat me to the CreateSouth plug. Maybe the '09 tagline could be, "All (E|I)(S|N)(T|F)(J|P)'s are welcome!"
- Paul Reynolds
That tagline is bound to get the masses fired up! J, if I think about it I don't think we made it out of the day without having everyone in the room share at least something. That was no accident, people worked at that and everything from the venue to how we put it on was meant to make it more inviting and that interaction possible.
- Dave Slusher
In a crowd, I either need to break it into a smaller group and have an engaging conversation or separate myself off by being in front speaking/presenting, etc. Unfortunately, because of the introvert part, I'm not very good at *starting* those smaller meetings and discussions and tend to need a framework that really encourages it to feel comfortable.
- J Wynia
You? Chafe? Eh... maybe. But so what? Not like we're all supposed to get along. Never have. Never will. And I'm betting those who were chaffed were those who podcast to promte almost exclusively and really buy into the "personal branding" meme. Good news: plenty of room for both of those views -- and many more.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
I have managed to find an optimal path where I care deeply about others well-being, but not so much what they think of me. This removes a lot of stagefright because I really don't care if I bomb so much as long as I enjoy it. I'd be pretty Andy Kaufman as a standup comic. However, doing MC duties at CreateSouth was a breeze for me, and I was less nervous about that than the gazillion logistical details falling apart. I can start conversations much easier today than 20 years ago.
- Dave Slusher
What's funny is how being an MC or giving a presentation is often my gateway to getting other people to start the conversation for me. Sure, I often end up at the mercy of someone who's a pain in the ass, but still...
- J Wynia
This may be surprising, but I listen to basically no podiobooks. The only one I ever did was Bill Shunn's ACCIDENTAL TERRRORIST but even that was a side effect of listening to the Shunncast. I just generally prefer the standard podcast to the fiction.
I'd generally rather do the reading for myself on fiction. I've tried podiobooks and stopped them all after a few episodes. In fact, every audiobook I've ever completed was non-fiction.
- Dave Slusher
Original post was confusing. Even Shunn's was not fiction. Anything beyond the short story, I don't really want to listen to. Not sure why I have this blind spot. People seem to love the podiobooks but I'm not into that medium for fiction.
- Dave Slusher
That's OK, Dave. I still love you and consider you a fellow new media douchebag.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Evo, I love you too. I hope my blind spot wouldn't disqualify me from my hard won douchiness. I've spent 4 years on that, son! Don't punch my card now!
- Dave Slusher
I occasionally listen to short fiction, mainly from Cory Doctorow's stream. Probably the longest thing I've listened to there was a recent collaborative work...I think it was about 8 episodes. Generally shorter stuff, though. And while I enjoy that, I'm not really looking for any more...I mostly prefer the non-fiction stuff as well.
- Ken Kennedy
evo would have to do the math but i think i've probably listened to over 25 podiobooks, i love serialized fictional podcasts, actually look forward to my commute because of them and feel the lose when i finish one - the many golden age of the solar clipper stories from nathan lowell are by far my favorites - the beauty of podcasting to each his own :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I simply do not understand why people think it's Verizon's job to uphold this guy's right to free speech on their network. They are a damn cell-phone company for God's sake.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
You'll pay top-dollar for the tenderloin of sacred cows.
- Christopher Harley
No, they were yanked because someone brought the video to Verizon's attention. There was no strong arming. I promise you that Verizon did not review the video and then decide to sign the agreement.
- Russell Holliman
wait reviewing a video that was never to air on their service in the first place? Sounds like back channel play to me
- Fred Grott
@vinny those videos were over the top, and I agree with Jason, if you are willing to push the envelope, there's an implicit risk in that. I think the videos are right on the line if not over it myself, so I am not surprised at all with the decision. Just because Loren isn't risk averse doesn't mean Verizon shouldn't be.
- Clay Newton
as was stated in a different thread, it sure doesn't take very long for people's true colors to show. we get it vinny, you don't like like loudmouth activist whiners. i'm sure they don't care for people like you in return.
- Cee Bee
What is really sad for me is that most of the reporting around this was wrong on facts
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
i wrote about offensive content aligned with brands - in my case i used facebook's ads. imagine an ad where you're asked if you "wanna bang cindy mccain?" or even worse, michelle obama. http://is.gd/NCr - brands have to be careful to police this sort of thing. an offensive ad or a video aligned with a corporate brand can be a bad thing. so, if you use the word "nigger", or variations of it, and you're not a black person, you'll get attacked by pc america. we're not surprised here, right?
- Brooks Bayne
nah, i'm not labeling you as racist, because you haven't said anything outright to earn that label yet, but you do seem to take offense with people who have an earnest gripe over this situation by casting them off as "loudmouth activists" or whiny reactionaries. i don't believe you get the message if you think they're the only ones who can possibly be offended by such a video.
- Cee Bee
oh so the video made by that clown has nothing to do with people being offended? all that is beside the point and inconsequential? if it wasn't for groups such as that one speaking out on behalf of others, i doubt much would have been brought to light because those individuals who would have and do complain are and will also be viewed as nothing more than "loudmouths" and "pc" bullies.
- Cee Bee
At what point can we get away from the strawman defense? If someone or organization is behind this... who?
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Vinny, Verizon is a business and if they don't feel like paying some guy to distribute his content, that's their choice. End of story.
- Eric Eldon
Vinny, why don't you go organize your own protest that encourages Verizon to be less influenced by people you disagree with? If Verizon can be convinced that growing a spine is worth it, after all, they will. I'm also curious why you're so angry about this particular issue. Seems like you have some deep-seated issues here, judging by the torrent of vitriol coming out of you.
- Eric Eldon
Vinny, judging from your Twitter feed, this isn't just about you defending your friend. I also don't get why you're insulting me. I'm pretty sure we don't know each other at all.
- Eric Eldon
Vinny disagrees = vitriol ; Others agree = PC enlightenment
- William, CPU Media
Look guys, I have a thick skin so I don't really care what you try to label me as, but I do like understanding what the issues actually are. From the start of this whole thing, all I've said is that Verizon was well within its rights to yank Feldman, if that's what they want to do. I can be convinced otherwise -- I'll totally defend Feldman's rights to publish whatever he wants on his own blog.
- Eric Eldon
It's a trend that's not going to go away. I don't mind seeing real billboards on billboards in the game. Blatant product placement can get annoying though.
- Nick
I dunno, I'm not offended if the medium has context. nascar games would be creepy without sponsor stickers. And a city without billboards is weird (you can have both fake and real companies). Then again, the budgets to make these things-- oof. Welcome to the new hollywood, heh.
- Eric Rice
I've got to side with Eric on this one. Context is all important. And the market will bear it out, and game companies aren't going to shoot themseles in the foot by cluttering up your game with ads. I can't imaging Blizzard would have ads for McDonald's in their next Diablo release, but if they did the backlash would kill the game. In-game ad money is significant, but nothing compared to licensing, sales and subscriptions. They'll not jeopoardize their larger nuggets. But if they do... move on.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Gah, as much as I hate bringing this up as I'm trying to distance myself from it all, part of my research and experimentation in Second Life was putting corporate stuff side by side with indie stuff in a way that didn't offend the community. So we had Warner Brothers across from DYKC and Ill Doctrine, and IODA; Matthew Wayne Selznick, IBM, Microsoft and 'locally-grown' merchants. It can be done, but it takes work.
- Eric Rice
@evo terra They had billboards in Rome in classical times. "Post NO Bills" is pre-Victorian and refers to advertising. As a kid Jack London was a newsie who delivered papers in the morning and pasted up ad posters in the afternoon .. on anything that didn't move. So having ads in a historical game could be appropriate - with a little creativity.
- Tom Novak
WOW! Unbelievable! Just got these huge replies via FriendFeed! I really appreciated it everyone. FriendFeed rocks and you guys rocks!!!
- Kenichi Matsumoto
I really do dislike Plurk. I'm starting to wonder if the people touting Plurk's virtues just want to be right about Plurk -- versus seeing the reality of Plurk. Thoughts? Am I wrong? If so, tell me. Still contemplating a ZDNet blog on the topic.
The whole karma thing bugs me. Turns microblogging into a competitive sport.
- Hutch Carpenter
The threading is really nice, but for some people the simplicity of twitter is much more appealing.
- Rob Diana
Look at what's happening on identi.ca. The race for the most amount of followers. Same difference if you ask me.
- Bwana ☠
I haven't found Plurk to be usable. The sideways scrolling, the constant "You have an update!" notifications: it gives me a headache.
- Mark Trapp
i tried plurk -- a little too bubblegum for me to be honest. plus the karma points make me feel like i'm in some competition.
- Cee Bee
I enjoy the threaded conversations while I'm there. Really really easy to have conversations. It took me a week to get used to the timeline, but when I did, I could see the value. It's a totally different animal from Twitter. (literally)
- Bwana ☠
I haven't used Plurk THAT much, but it seems to be carving out its niche as a chatty, lightweight application. There's clearly a group of people who really like it. It won't appeal to everyone, but I think it will find its own audience, probably at the expense of Twitter or FriendFeed. Shrug. If nothing else, it shows that people are interested in conversations, just as they have been for the past 20+ years. I will probably be an occasional user at best, but it probably wasn't designed for me either.
- Mark Dykeman
I try not to compare it to Twitter and judge it on its own merits. I just feel overwhelmed having to collapse every single thread just to see if I might be interested in the convo. And having to collapse every thread to see if anyone responded to time. I can't even fathom how a business might use it as some folks have suggested.
- Jennifer Leggio
Regarding Jennifer's question, I sincerely believe people who say they like Plurk. Of course there are some who simply must be right as that is true with any situation, but the people I've observed and talked to on Plurk use it for meaningful purposes. You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it. :) It's not a black and white type thing though. The term "reality" doesn't have a factual meaning here because liking Plurk is purely opinionated.
- Bwana ☠
I disagree that Plurk can be used for business purposes. In my opinion, it's a social, fun tool to be used between friends and family.
- Bwana ☠
Regarding following threads, the technique I found to work was selective reading. To "catch up" on Plurk, you will drive yourself nuts if you try to read every thread. What I do is skim the conversations and find the 2 or 3 I'm interested in and I read those. With the new "mute" functionality, I have a rule that if a unwanted conversation shows up 3 or more times when I catch up, I mute the thread. This workflow allows me to catch up on hundreds of updates in minutes.
- Bwana ☠
Even with that technique, many don't want to bother with all that. That's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking it. Plurk can be a huge timesink even with efficient techniques. That was a big reason why I cut back my usage. I would spend hours talking to people. No time for that :)
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana "You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it." That was an incorrect, unfounded and unnecessary judgment. Just trying to understand it as all. I don't have that much free time to sit around and play with all of these tools so I ask questions to get other people's insights. I expressed an opinion but that does not mean I hate the other people like it. I don't understand why other people like it. Big difference. That comment kind of discredited your whole statement.
- Jennifer Leggio
It was a joke Jennifer, hence the smiley. Text sucks for wit.
- Bwana ☠
There are lots of things I dislike -- baseball, pork, country music. I may ask questions to better understand the appeal and in doing so I might express my own opinion, but that doesn't mean it bothers me if other people like it. I just may never agree and may always look at them with a raised eyebrow. ;-)
- Jennifer Leggio
@Bwana - Yeah, hard to tell if comments with a smiley online are jokes or passive aggression. lol. In that case ignore my statement. But I still dislike Plurk, baseball, pork and country music. ;-)
- Jennifer Leggio
Plurk took away the ability to delete an account about 2 weeks ago... I wonder why that is...? I'm guessing Account Retention due to an increased frequency of deletions... sad though that they would prevent you from deleting your account. They don't answer support inquiries either. Fail across the board.
- Brandon
I'd like to know how in the world people would use Plurk in their business. A far stretch would be to gather feedback from their products (as businesses do on Twitter, etc). Other than that... I can't see it at all.
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. I've seen a lot of claims made but nothing in action. If I hear of anything concrete I will let you know.
- Jennifer Leggio
@Brandon I'm actually interviewing the Plurk folks sometime in the next week so I'll ask them about the account deletion and support.
- Jennifer Leggio
Angel - so did I at first. You can change that graphic, but it's not obvious
- Bwana ☠
I think the Karma thing bugs me the most. The timeline, is kitschy and I think needlessly complexifies the UI, but ultimately is just a personal preference. I could see businesses using it the same way they use twitter, but with greater potential for starting a dialogue since it is trivial for anyone to track the full conversation.
- felix
have a plurk but check it minimally - never really had what i was looking for, but neither did jaiku or pownce - think identi.ca will be the same way - am liking swurl so far though but friendfeed is the real keeper...
- mike "glemak" dunn
@Mike Agree. I think that FF has the most sustainability of them all. I wish I could say that about Twitter as I do <3 it... but not looking so good.
- Jennifer Leggio
@Jennifer agreed, i ♥ twitter too but things aren't looking that well anymore. FF ftw.
- Brandon
@mediaphyter, Plurk is as good as the friends you follow... yet I can't condone one replacing the other.
- Czar
Jennifer I can tell you that the people using Plurk are there because we honestly love it. I was on there last night laughing my head off till I was crying at some of the stuff other people were plurking about. It was literally roll in the floor hilarious! I can understand why some people don't like Plurk, but I can also understand EXACTLY why those of us that spend time on Plurk, love it.
- Mack Collier
@Mack But the hilarity of the content has nothing to do with the platform, it's the people right? Those people could be anywhere. I have similar experiences with Twitter and FriendFeed and even Pownce before I retired from there. Saying "but it's funny" doesn't defend the platform. It just says you happen to have a good network or find good conversations. That can be done anywhere.
- Jennifer Leggio
I'm over at Plurk trying to give it another chance. It's making me feel like I have ADD. Plus there's no way I will remember all of the threads I've posted on. Maybe I need to carry around a Plurk notepad and write them down? :-/
- Jennifer Leggio
Yeah, but people also tout the virtues of MySpace.
- Evo Terra
from twhirl
Plurk does seem to be a love/hate app
- Sarah Perez
Why do people feel that Plurk has to be useful for business? I wasn't into social media at the time but did this type of discussion happen when MySpace came out? Unless you have a band, not too many business uses for that either but it's still very popular.
- Vaughn
@Vaughn I don't think anyone's saying it has to be useful for business - but a lot of people are claiming that it is. So I want to understand how (and am currently having that convo with Plurk itself via email). As for MySpace, as much as I've outgrown that myself, a lot of consumer-oriented companies DO still use it for branding and promotion. It's a lot of the B2B companies that it has scared off.
- Jennifer Leggio
@Jennifer Leggio That makes sense. Sometimes I feel that Plurk is the square peg and people are trying to force it into the round hole.
- Vaughn
Jennifer, stick around a bit longer, it grows on you. But notably: different types of conversation, more informal, less depth. In terms of the layout, I don't like it either, which is why I created Plurkair using the mobile version for the desktop: I prefer Plurk Twitter style, and in that way it's an able player in the space
- Duncan Riley
Only mouse-clickers like Plurk. For the keyboard folk, it's like trying to write a 4000 word physics essay with a giant crayon, horrible interface! and Karma? "come back to our service more than Twitter, or we will punish you!". Plurk sucks ass.
- Cait
Plurk just blows my mind. I click on something and then it's all ZAZOW and does something crazy I didn't expect.
- brad sucks
I like Plurk alot more that twitter, I've got a whole lot more real life friends on plurk. I also like how you have great control of what your profile looks like. I like the timeline, even if it slows down my browser a bit. But I'm a visual person like that. And I like, at least in my opinion. I like how active the community is. I don't like how there are few if any myspace, facebook or lj apps/widgets for plurk. The whole karma thing is annoying, but has made me post more on plurk than I normally would
- james
Plurk is better to understand for the casual social user than chatrooms or Twitters and even FriendFeed IMO. It's easier to monitor multiple conversations and reply to them rather than finding out what's up with someone and never getting past most of that. Twitter, I couldn't get. Looks more like something businesses might use and FriendFeed, don't even try following the conversations. It's too hard to monitor the comments unless you have a specific submission in mind.
- Fake Name
Well, I hate to say that ANYTHING is final, but I have been looking for a big uber life feed for a while. And it's not like I'm abandoning the other tools. Just keeping them isolated.
- Evo Terra
I am just not convinced I like the look and feel of friendfeed yet, but I am give it a while before I decide my opinion
- Thomas Vincent
I can live with suboptimal look and feel as long as the site works. Twitter's look and feel is fine while the functionality becomes ever more a shell of itself.
- Dave Slusher
from twhirl