Same creative or updated? Is it Empire-era Billy Dee or the Billy Dee of today?
- Dave Coustan
it's not a picture. it's an illustration and it looks a little older than Empire-era. piece about it with picture: http://wzzrdirt.com/2009...
- ed Dilworth
It's the longest running cuz it works. Ever time.
- Ben Pierce
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
President elect Obama will bring the President's weekly "fireside chat" into the 21st century by offering it not just on the radio, but in video on YouTube as well. It's as if the new populist President really cares whether the next generation has a connection to what he's doing. That's where the people are - on YouTube, on MySpace and on Facebook.
- Leo Laporte
I agree and I hope he will, I have been reading Roosevelt Fireside Chats it is very interesting. We are at a very interesting time and crossroads I think, the choices that we make today will direct the global community of tomorrow for good or bad.
- John D Reasor
It's great democracy in general that PE Obama use technology to communicate, connect and share. The fact that PE Obama may share more than the USA create is another story.
- Johan Horak
posted this on another: how come no one mentions they weekly address is already available as a podcast (http://www.whitehouse.gov/rss... in English and in Spanish http://www.whitehouse.gov/rss...) plus there is a section in the itunes store for the White House. in iTunes you can subscribe to the weekly radio address, plus the press briefings plus the state of the union. but i guess this all goes against the fact that obama is the first technologically savavy president
- Jonathan Jesse
I'm in Canada on Rogers and have been stuck at 60 GB a month for years. 250 GB is huge :(
- Nick
Yeah, suck it up. I'm an Australian-- not only do I have slow internet (512kb/s) I'm on a 20GB cap. :-)
- David Adam
Its been like this in the UK for years as well and as Nick said 250GB is a lot in comparison to what we get
- Arthur Guy
Do you feel that if you had unlimited bandwidth, you would use the internet more? And for different reasons? If I had a cap on my bandwidth, I would always be worried about what pages I visit and would probably not use the internet as much.
- Andrew Baron
Considering that most people have 250GB drives or less, this is really a pretty large monthly bandwidth for all but the most extreme users. Even streaming music constantly for a month at 128kbps would yield only 44GB download (assuming I did my math right).
- LogEx
I have access to a fast unlimited connection at work and I don't download that much more than at home so no I don't think I would use the internet more if it was unlimited.
- Arthur Guy
What about all of the musicians and people who use youtube? They will not be able to compete and suddenly it could cost millions of dollars again to distribute your work.
- Andrew Baron
I fully agree that unlimited bandwidth is best for a lot of reasons, but I think it comes down to whether Internet is a utility or a free market, and the US hasn't really made up its mind. It's certainly not a free market (evil oligopolies at best in each of the phone/cable/satellite markets), but we haven't set it up as a free god-given right like TV was in the '50s and '60s either.
- LogEx
I'm completely 100% OK with this. If you want unlimited data, you're going to have to pay for it.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Also, even if you can d/l a lot of mp3's at 2 megs each, will you be happy when your friends are downloading songs that are no longer compressed and may be 100megs each or even a gig each? For people who use software like Miro and iTunes, we are stuck d/l videos with low quality due to technical restrictions but as the bandwisth goes up, the compression will go down and soon we could d/l full quality files that could cost 250G per.
- Andrew Baron
@Ben Meanwhile, while most people on FF will pay an extra fee to raise the cap, guess who will not be able to afford a higher cap? Yep, the people who could use the opportunity the most. Thus, it naturally shuts out people from participating.
- Andrew Baron
One last thing to consider. Maybe 250G seems like a lot to you now because the internet is the way it is. The US, for instance, is moving quickly towards Fiber speeds as well as TV over IP and in two years from now, many people will use up 250G transfer in each and every sitting.
- Andrew Baron
You're assuming that most people who can't pay for this will go over 250GB. 99% of them won't. I think that tiered bandwith plans benefit everyone. Grandma won't be paying for stuff she isn't using and the people that use more then average bandwith have to pay for it. Fair is fair.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Andrew The issue is that most ISP can't afford that amount of bandwidth. So, rather then jack up everyone's prices (unfair) they're jacking up people who take a disproportionate amount.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Just posted a link to my FF regarding bandwidth "neutrality" etc
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
I think the key is not to be able to discriminate on what kind of traffic it is. In other words, Comcast (and every other provider of bits) should not be allowed to distinguish TV bits from YouTube bits, and set a cap or tiers from there. If that's done, then what is the harm of paying for what you get?
- LogEx
If you saturate a T1 12 hours a day for 30 days, you have 250GB. Just sayin.
- stretta
from twhirl
If most people wont use that much bandwidth, then why the need to cap it?
- Andrew Baron
It's not for most people, it's for the people that go over it.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
A T1 is 1.5MB. Cable companiers are offering 3MB or more these days. With an always on connection and a desire to have your own digital version of the library of congress a person could do it theoretically. I agree, though, that most will not go over the 250GB unless you do download a lot of movies or MP3's every month.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
You guys are clearly Comcast business supporters. Who would outright "support" this? Im not buying it. Om Malik is not buying it either: http://gigaom.com/2008...
- Andrew Baron
I'm with you Andrew, metering is not the way to go. Sure 250GB seems like a lot now (to some, myself not included), but capping and metering place arbitrary limits on future innovations that may take up larger amounts of bandwidth. As we move ever closer to the browser being the OS this is a huge step in the wrong direction.
- Aaron Krug
Here in the uk, our ISP's are selling connections at below cost. The rise of video is making them face bankruptcy. Sadly, they seem to have painted themselves into a corner where it comes to price. Never forget that the net was originally metered by the minute, every other comms system is metered. Personally, I view DPI is a *far* bigger threat to the net than metering ever will be! The ability to analyse packets in real time and censor or replace that data? Now that TRULY sends shivers down my spine.
- alphaxion
the last mile is *our* mile - that is where the accounting should be just like a utility meter - use double-entry accounting for the bandwidth to prevent double payment (send & receive is billed now) and treat the bandwidth as you would any "currency" - bandwidth is currency ("medium of exchange") - the access providers would prefer to think of it as a commodity (but they ignore that it is not a limited or finite resource in a commodity sense - we can all buy more computation/memory/storage/processing/etc.)
- Scott Moskowitz
I'm uninstalling piclens. As much as I love it and think it represents one of the best ways to view photos on the web, its lack of an ability to interact with photos in any way -- not even a simple cmd click to open an image in a background tab -- makes it more of something that gets in the way now
Thomas, I'm not sure what version you are running, but the newer version (1.71.xxx) allows you to escape Piclens to to the photo, comment, fave, etc, then there is a "back to Piclens" button that will bring you right back to the stream view without skipping a beat. My only problem now is that it misbehaves with my video card at home and I get gable when exiting it until I refresh the screen. :-(
- cmiper
piclens needs loads of bandwidth, too much for my "narrow" Indian "Broadband" Its not very useful either, once you get past the novelty stage.
- Rahul Das
I love it to, but Thomas you are right. I wish you could fav, etc from it. I personally use the Slideshow on Flickr to flip through friends and fav. The Slideshow has keyboard short cuts.
- Kreg Steppe
thanks for the update on the new version cmiper. You are right. It is a tad better. I can't find the "back to piclens" button though. Will have to look harder for that.
- Thomas Hawk
PicLens on the Mac consumes a large chunk of CPU. I had to disable it to get FireFox to be responsive again.
- Jauder Ho
cmiper, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure why I was so dense to miss that. That return to piclens button actually makes it much more functional. Still wish I could cmd-click while in Piclins but I think I'll keep it after all with the return to Piclens button.
- Thomas Hawk
I still use it. It gets annoying trying to play a flash video on flickr since both put the play button in exactly the same place. Love it for google image searches though.
- Rodfather
The "back to Piclens" button is a definite improvement, but it would be great to be able to interact directly inside the extension. I've been saying this for awhile. Despite its annoyances and memory requirements, I still think it's the coolest way to browse photos on the web and use it almost every day. I tried the DestroyFlickr AIR app, but I didn't think it was as good.
- Matt
One other suggestion: it'd be cool to be able to see EXIF data within Piclens if the photographer publishes it. Is the Piclens developer on FriendFeed? Anyone? Anyone? "Voodoo economics".
- Matt
@Matt, I'm not sure if it is in fact them, but they added me shortly after my posts and I know they did work with FF on implementation. http://friendfeed.com/cooliris
- cmiper
Thomas, We're delighted to hear that you haven't given up on PicLens. (Thanks, cmiper!) You may have missed our comment on your blog, but in June we announced PicLens 1.7 that includes "Return to PicLens", Amazon shopping, and Discover, which aggregates all the latest news feeds from across the web to keep you up to date on the news and more. We hear you - being able to interact with the content in PicLens is a great idea. We'd love to incorporate it eventually. Much more to come so please stay tuned in!
- Cooliris
@Matt - Yes! We are on Friendfeed. My name is Luna and I'm a Stanford intern at Cooliris. You can friend us at Cooliris.
- Cooliris
@cmiper - Cooliris is the official Friendfeed account. Thanks for being such an advocate on Friendfeed. We truly appreciate it! We love to hear everyone's suggestions and ideas for PicLens so please feel free to post on our account or send us emails at feedback@piclens.com. We will read them all and get back to you as soon as possible!
- Cooliris
Ahhh, Cooliris actually showing up here in the conversation at FriendFeed. Very cool. I'm sticking with Piclens for a while. cmiper's tip about the return to piclens button helps quite a bit. I should have been more on top of the tool's development. One thing that I think would help even more would simply be the ability to cmd or ctl click on a photo while using piclens in Flickr and then have that Flickr page load in a Firefox tab in the background.
- Thomas Hawk
This would keep your piclens session uninterrupted while allowing you to go and interact with the photos that you wanted to after your piclens session is over. Right now cmd/ctl click in Piclens does nothing and it would seem like a pretty easy thing to code and a natural way for the software to interact with a browser as cmd/ctl click almost anyplace else opens a new tab in the background while browsing.
- Thomas Hawk
We're very happy that you're still finding PicLens useful. I'll pass along your cmd/ctl click suggestion. These are all great ideas on the usability side of our product and constantly trying to evolve. Please be patient as we are first perfecting our current product before moving to new features. The only alternative we can currently offer you is the globe icon that takes you directly to the particular image as soon as you click it. Thank you for the ideas and keep them coming!
- Cooliris
Thanks Cooliris, I also appreciate what you've been able to do with Piclens and iPernity a few weeks back. ;-)
- cmiper
I enjoy PicLens, but it really is nothing more than eye candy. I haven't found any instability issues with it.
- Chris Luckhardt
I second the thought of Thomas Hawk. Loading the photos i want to interact with in a background tab would be great. I do that with all news sites i read. When i'm done with the tabs, i'm done with the reading :-)
- Thomas Hoppe
Why is Facebook so compelling? In part because it operates in a manner our brains already know to value. Facebook follows a little known model of the brain called Network of Networks developed by my friend and mentor Jim Anderson at Brown University.
- Joseph Thornley
Congratulations on your decision and best of luck. Enjoy your improved work/life balance!
- Adam Sherk
Good luck in your career! You were very informative at the Web 2.0 Expo SF 2008. I enjoyed your presentation at the Social Media Strategy workshop
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
Best of luck! I liked that post about reinventing your job every 18 months.
- Jeff Woelker
Thanks everyone for all of the good wishes. I'll be blogging again soon and will let everyone know when and where I re-surface.
- Charlene Li
Charlene, best of luck to you and your family. We will all miss your insights and analyses.
- warren sukernek
from twhirl
Good luck, and thanks for being so public about wanting to strike a balance between work & family. Working parents of both genders will be cheering you on!
- Dylan Tweney
Best of luck, Charlene. You're leaving big shoes to fill. I look forward to reading you again soon.
- Christian Anderson
Congratulations on your decision, and best of luck!
- Steve Bauer
good luck with your future endeavors! looking forward to more of your social technologies insights online.
- ~C4Chaos
Charlene, sounds like an enlightened and well considered choice. Congrats. Let us know if we can do anything to support your next-next steps. Be Great. Cheers! silva
- mark silva
I completely understand your move - being a career mom carries strong feelings of regret and dissonance, which you always need to solve. Thats a tiring process...Enjoy your time of resonance.
- Trendsspotting
Best of Luck Charlene... I think this is a great decision, obviously, one that came after much thought. Finding Balance is sooo key to happiness and productivity at work and home! Good Luck! Keep us posted on how you make out on this change!
- Susan Beebe
Good luck with everything - your research on social media has helped me tremendously! We'll miss you in "the scene". Cheers - Lorna
- Lorna Li
I guess instead of "Gone Fishin'" it's "Gone Whalin'". The ever popular "We'll be back in about an hour" with no reference to when the hour starts. Perhaps we should buy them one of those little plastic clock signs you hang in the window.
- Ken Sheppardson
why is the "u" in unplanned capitalized? my first thought was that someone hacked the page to add "un"
- Amanda
from twhirl
I agree w/ dave, the when & what comforts me a bit better
- Judson Collier
And I'm still on FriendFeed and identi.ca. :-) (for the most part)
- Jesse Stay
I like that Twitter capitalized "Unplanned" like a proper noun. Perhaps they're planning on trademarking the word.
- Kawika Holbrook
"For some reason, the remote to my car's alarm system decided to randomly die over the weekend. First thing this morning, I called Cartunes to see if they carried the remotes because all the usual…"
- Shawn C. Reed
Not finalized until they vote on Friday. The Martin + Adelstein and Copps bloc is not surprising, but I will be interested in reading McDowell's statement.
- Andrew Feinberg
Hope it works. Government's good for something...
- Mitchell Tsai
"Last fall, tests by the Associated Press and others exposed that Comcast was blocking users' legal peer-to-peer traffic by sending fake signals that cut off the connection between file-sharers." - slimy
- Mitchell Tsai
I've pondered the duplication myself. Twitter was serving my aggregation needs and it was only outages that had me considering FF. @mediaczar once told me he "pees in the well, but doesn't drink it" regarding FF.
- Barry Reicherter
from twhirl
Credit goes to Andrew Anker (@aa) who pointed out this link from Scott Kraft (@scottmkraft). The comments are exceptional.
- Christopher Sacca
from Bookmarklet