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Tara

Re: SXSW 2012 - Digital Sisterhood for Women Entrepreneurs - http://www.disqus.com/people...

August 15, 2011 from Disqus - Comment - Like - Share

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"You have my vote, Ananda! I can't wait to see you spread your brilliant ideas at SXSW 2012." - Tara

Albert Maruggi

if you have a daughter, then you need to follow @safeworld4women Eye opening, gut wrenching.

August 16, 2011 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Make Polenta Fries Without the Deep Fry - http://www.readymade.com/blog...

August 15, 2011 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"I cut out strips and placed them on a lightly- oiled sheet, then baked them for 20 minutes. The resulting fries were crispy on the outside and super creamy in the middle. No deep-frying or pan-frying necessary. And no cheese or loads of butter required!" - Derrick from Bookmarklet

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Ok Derrick - give me some ideas for using polenta. We have a huge bag of it as I use it for a lemon polenta cake which is gorgeous, but I still have lots left. I'm not altogether comfortable with dollops of polenta (like mashed potato) but open to other suggestions ;-) - wensleydalelass

Oh, yum - what a great way for the leftovers to be used! (or as a primary.....) - Jennifer Dittrich

Wendolene, I've never made it, but saw some good suggestions in the Vegetarian room: http://friendfeed.com/vegetar... - Derrick

Thanks love. Harvey's Cheese and onion croquettes look divine... - wensleydalelass

Now I want polenta - Just Kidée: Road Warrior

Myrna to Myrna's feed, Photography as Art, Photographing, Fotograf, Persian Cam

Wow nice! http://www.flickr.com/photos... (via http://friendfeed.com/photogr...) #photography

January 10, 2010 - Comment - Like - Share

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Salih, just love this again today! - Myrna

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thanks again.. - salih

salih, thank you for taking so long to reply..I got a nice surprise when I came to FF.with these 2 images..still just as lovely! - Myrna

beatiful!!! wooow - Andie Pop

Erin @queenofspain

weeping with joy. i just paid off and closed 5 credit cards. i see shackles falling off me as I type. ... in more ways than one

January 10, 2010 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Oh, that is FANTASTIC! well done! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

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One of the best feelings in the world! - iTad

Congratulations! - Ordinarybug Heather

Congratulations! - James Kuypers

you rock! - Loc

Freedom! Congrats! - Pilgrim Five

Robert Scoble

techcocktail: The Best of #CES 2010 - http://bit.ly/CES2010Best by @frankgruber - http://twitter.com/techcoc...

January 11, 2010 from Twitter / Favorites from... - Comment - Like - Share

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Jonathan Wells

6 Ways To Speed Up The Loading Of Your Website | MyWifeQuitHerJob.com - http://mywifequitherjob.com/6-ways-...

January 11, 2010 from StumbleUpon - Comment - Like - Share

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From the page: "Your website could be the most beautiful site in the world but it does you no good if it takes forever to load. Let's face it. People are impatient and a slow website prevents potential customers from completing their purchase. " - Jonathan Wells

Gary

50 Viral Images The Web Shared In 2009 - http://thefuturebuzz.com/2009...

December 8, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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iconic88

"Every strike brings me closer to my next home run"-Babe Ruth

December 30, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Robert Scoble

Real time videos are about to get hot based on what @aaroncray CEO of @rippoleffect and @Michael_Irie just showed me. Video later tonight.

December 30, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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So you're saying we've all got to start live streaming our lives???? That can be scary! LOL! - Arleen Boyd

Rahsheen?

I liked it, so I finally put a ring on it. - http://pikchur.com/Fz2

August 23, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Congratulations!! (if I am interpreting this correctly) - joey

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Yeah. LOL. I just made it official, like in the Thriller video...except that I didn't turn into a werewolf and chase her through the woods.... - Rahsheen?

Congrats!! - iTad

congrats - MiniMage

Congratulations to you both! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

Congrats!!! - RAPatton from iPhone

Very good, my dear Rah! - Derrick

Congrats, Rah! - Pete D

Congrats to both of you, Rah! - Ha3rvey #teamMonique

Congratulations! - Spidra Webster

Congratulations!!! - Michael Fidler

Congratulations, Rah! - Micah

Congrats Rahsheen! - Hutch Carpenter

Congrats to both of you! - Jandy

Way to go Rah! Congratulations! - DJ Stevie Steve

Nice work. - Louis Gray

Awesome... don't know her from Eve... But from what I've gleaned from you online. She's got a good guy. Congrats! - SAM

Congrats! - imabonehead

congrats then :) - webosapien (Burcu Tüzün)

Congratulations man :) - LANjackal

Congratulations, Rah! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

Congratulations! - Anne Bouey

Congratulations! ^__^ - Abhishek

"it" ? ;) Congratulations though ! - ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ

*wonders if he should put on leotards, a metallic hand and run up the wall...* Congrats man! - Johnny

Congrats man!!! - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

Congrats! - LB: #TeamMonique

ویدا بیا برات حلقه ازدواج خریده دوستت :)) - Mil∂d

Congrats! - jbrotherlove

Congratulations, dude! - Daniel B. Honigman

Woohoo! Congratulations! - Ordinarybug Heather

Congrats! - Shevonne

Congratulations! :) - JA Castillo

Congrats. :) - Kevin Winn

Congrats! - MoTO #TeamMonique

میلاد :)))))))))))) انگشترش رو دوست نداشتم نامزدی رو به هم زدم :دی - Viva Vida

Oh that's awesome!! Congrats! - Just Kidée: Road Warrior

Congrats! - anna sauce

Yay! Congratulations!! - Yolanda

Congrats, happy for you Rahsheen!!! - YoYo_P

Congrats, Rahsheen!!! - Live4Emma (L4S) from iPhone

Congrats :) - Rodfather

Not fair that the lady gets to wear a fancy ring before we even do the church thing. What's the point of being engaged if you can't flaunt it? LOL. Thanks everyone :) - Rahsheen?

Woot! Congrats. :) - Jen (SquirrelGirl) from iPhone

Congrats! That's fantastic news...! - sean808080

Congratulations! Welcome to the ranks of those of us promised and intended to the love of our lives =) Aloha! - Arleen Boyd

woohoo! congrats! - Leslie Poston

Congrats, Young Sheen! - Bryan R. Adams

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :) - Susan Beebe

congrats and good luck! :) - Tim Hoeck

Alright, Rah! Happiest best wishes to you both! - Ayşe E.

Congrats! - xero

Congratulations, Rahsheen and Trail! - Anika

Congrats Rah! - Justin Korn

woooooo hooooo! - metalerik

CONGRATS MAN! - AJ Batac

So very nice. Congratulations! - Martha

Congratulations!! - Erica Thompson Briggs

CONGRATS!!! - David Cook

Congratulations!! - Harold

Congratulations, Rahsheen! I had a similar thought for Harold when he gave me my ring: "Gee, kind of unfair the guy doesn't get to wear something too until the wedding." - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Congratulations! - Tracy Benham

Way to go... May you have a wonderful life together. - Mitchell Tsai

bump. - Rahsheen?

bump^2 - imabonehead

Jesse Stay

So my wife gets lists before I do. We know whose account will get used as my test account now :-)

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October 28, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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What's funny is I have 6 accounts of my own and she gets the lists. - Jesse Stay

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You are blacklisted. - Louis Gray

I guess so. Time to change Twitter identities? - Jesse Stay

Seriously, Louis? - Rahsheen?

I thought everybody got lists yesterday. I did. So what was the selection criteria do you suppose? - Melanie Reed

Ryan Sarver told me it was completely random, no selection criteria at all. They couldn't even put me in as a developer until my number got picked. (which is BS because I know developers "chosen" for the developer beta) - Jesse Stay

Well,Jesse, if I could give you mine, I'd do it. I'm not particularly ready to play with it yet as I have other things I'm concentrating on at the moment. - Melanie Reed

Melanie, the only reason I want it is for development. I'm much more enthusiastic, from a user perspective, about Facebook. I do see ways to incorporate this into SocialToo though so I want to play with it to do that. Also, Facebook doesn't yet let you group fan pages into lists or anonymize lists like Twitter does so I might find some benefit there as well. - Jesse Stay

Actually, I'm wrong - I just realized I can add fan pages to lists. Cool. Wondering if I can do some stuff from an API perspective now. - Jesse Stay

So it looks like in Facebook the only capability I need now is the ability to share my lists with others. Ideally those that I share with should only be able to see those with permissions set to be visible to others. This would include all fan pages (the equivalent to a Twitter profile). - Jesse Stay

Which I can already do via the API - Jesse Stay

Jesse - with your brilliance a) everyone -even Twitter - knows you've been doing your own "lists" for a while! b) you'd test it so heavy the system would blow up! *giggle* - Arleen Boyd

Arleen, lol! In all honesty, I have been doing lists for awhile via FriendFeed and Facebook, so you're right there. The only reason I really want to test it right now though is for SocialToo - for those that prefer Twitter I really see some potential for lists to remove the need for unfollow. - Jesse Stay

Keep in mind I'm in this as an entrepreneur, not to necessarily find news. I can find news, but it's not my sole purpose or mindset right now. - Jesse Stay

I am still waiting for lists myself, - Rob Cairns

Can I share FriendFeed lists on SocialToo? I can imagine API calls to dump list data there and subscribe to others. - Bruce Lewis

I finally got lists, so I've finally stopped complaining (at the end, I begged @twitter on bended knee). Once I got lists, the first thing I did was create my big NaNoWriMo list which is probably the biggest one built so far. When I saw how many lists I was on, I found out that I was on just about everybody else's NaNoWriMo lists already. So I'm pleased, though I might now complain about how hard it is to create big lists out of my nearly 1,500 followers. So it goes... - Dennis Jernberg

April

Cloud Jacking: 7 Steps to Dominate Your Niche - http://www.viperchill.com/dominat...

October 27, 2009 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Steve Cleary

I turned around to see where I had been - wait a minute - who is that following me?

October 21, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Hey miss your tweets Arleen - Twitter is less interesting without your wit ----- - Steve Cleary

manielse (Mark Nielsen) to manielse's feed, Foods

Dulce de Leche Flan - http://thecookieshopinenglish....

September 29, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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This looks so decadently good! Can I lick my computer screen PUH-lease? - manielse (Mark Nielsen) from Bookmarklet

one of the most heavenly desserts! - magali

I died and went to heaven only after bookmarking your cookie page for my fiance to enjoy upon my demise. - Arleen Boyd

Leo Laporte

You're invited to my Windows 7 Launch Houseparty - October 22 10a, at the TWiT Cottage. There will be cake and balloons!

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September 21, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Congrats Leo - couldn't be anyone better - Jesse Stay

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Will you broadcast it? - nick

Yeah, Leo... you should set up a webcam or something. - Ken Sheppardson

oh well as long as there will be cake - Mr. Erv Server

I don't think Leo has a webcam - Jesse Stay

I'll have some virtual cake please. :) - Daynah

looks like i need to clear my schedule - Bryan

I'm sure he has an old Soundblaster mic in his closet - Eric - seven eleven

*ding dong* ... Daaaaad, the Internet is here!! - Andrew Skretvedt

What should I bring? - Sean Montgomery from iPhone

Hey, save me a slice of that cake! Lorraine B - lorraine boot

Congratulations Leo! You're the perfect choice. - Martin McDermid

Oh noes...the cake is a lie - Jeremy Heslop

What about the napkins? - Manuel Mas

Imma happy for you and imma let you finish, but Mac had the best OS *evah*...*evah* - Jesse Stay

Windows 7? I thought they were up to version 2008 by now. - Vermyndax

What's about shrimp?-) - notagolfer from iPhone

I am so tempted to make the 1700km drive to Petaluma for this - Jon Poeschek

Well, hot dang, Leo! Me too!! In fact, I just got my notice AS I WAS READING THIS ENTRY!! Awesome!! - WazNeeni

Wish I could be there! Unfortunately, the distance along with the fact that I have to work, since it's a Thursday, prohibits me from attending... Live streaming I hope...! - Chris

We're gonna take over Petaluma like Woodstock!! - Sean Montgomery from iPhone

I'll be there! :) - Kim Fong

*looks over at canoe*... If I start paddling now... - Johnny

Congratulations Leo. - Technogran

Live stream it and we can all join in!! - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

"The cake is a lie!!!" - Lukess Eckley from iPhone

I wonder if Paul Thurrott got his party too. - Willem (@wim66) ☠ from iPhone

I wish I could go, Leo, but I'll be at my own party. Have fun! - Eric Geller

You think I'd drive all the way to Petaluma for Windows 7, are you crazy? Oh wait, there WILL be cake, well then, THAT is different (in best Rosannadanna voice). - Richard Bitting

James: you still got a month, use it wisely... :) - Holger Eilhard

I love how the image title reads: "Leo — Fastmail (39204 messages, 4238 unread).jpg" Good luck with inbox zero, Leo! :-) - Holger Eilhard

I was going to invite you to my party like you said on the radio show. Now who can I get? Any other tech-related celebrity radio hosts I can call? I wonder if Kim Komando is hosting her own party... - David Sheneman

Hey Leo I got my Finalist note. I'll invite you and we can set up a skype link. You can be a hub that shows not just your party but connect to other parties around the world. - Paul Wirtz

The balloons are a lie - Chris Shearer

my unboxing is here: http://bit.ly/4iHJfP - Ernest Lehmann

Jesse Stay

Who has both a Twitter account and a Facebook Page that they manage? I have something for you to try.

August 23, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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That would be me... - Megan Fitzgerald

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Me too. I'm 'managing' posts thus far via Seesmic Desktop. What you got Jesse? *intrigued* - Kate Foy

Sending DMs to those that comment here on how to get set up with the new thing I want you to try - Jesse Stay

Oh, and we're going to try an experiment - if you get instructions, please feel free to share it with your friends if you like it! - Jesse Stay

Present. - Micah

I try....and I mean try.....to manage Twitter and Facebook posts on TweetDeck. - Bonnie Foster

I do - steven healey

I do - Melanie Reed

I do as well. - Rob Schieber

I'm game - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio) from iPhone

I do! - Laura Norvig

My fb page (one of them) is named after my blog: http://facebook.com/interaw.... I also help manage http://facebook.com/eduify and just started http://facebook.com/newfb for meeting new people. (Does That Count? :) - Garin Kilpatrick

Okay, for everyone else wanting to try it, wait until tomorrow morning and we'll post how you can try it and use it on http://blog.socialtoo.com - Jesse Stay

I do, I have a few Twitter accounts. - Kol Tregaskes

I do, I do. - Gary Walter (gwalter)

It's live now - go and try it out!: http://blog.socialtoo.com/2009... - Jesse Stay

BTW, I've got one more feature I'm holding back on you'll see in the next day or two. :-) - Jesse Stay

Sounds like me, too. - Jason Miller

Jesse, I'm interested and would be glad to do review for you. I could also use your help weeding out some (spam) followers on Twitter. - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

Jason(s) - it's live now - go check it out at http://blog.socialtoo.com/2009... - Jesse Stay

Me! - Carter ♥ JS from iPhone

Me!! - Adam Clarke

Pieso, Carter, Adam, it's all launched now - just go to http://blog.socialtoo.com/2009... for the details. - Jesse Stay

I have both. - Anurag Bansal

Lay it on m,e Jesse!!! Put it to the test! - Arleen Boyd

I do:-) - ANJELINABANANA

Arleen, Anurag, anjelina, be sure to check out the links I posted above - all the instructions are there! Let me know if you have any troubles. - Jesse Stay

I do too. - Martha

I manage a page as well as a Twitter account. Happy to help. Twitter account is @thejeffbrown. - Jeff Brown

Jeff, please see the blog post link above - it has all the instructions. - Jesse Stay

Robert Scoble

Because @jowyang didn't tell me where he's going and I learned it anyway I am very tempted to tell the world to mess up his launch. :-)

August 24, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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so a startup then.. - Zee.

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But I won't, because he's my friend and so are the other people involved. :-) - Robert Scoble

Hmmmm... - Simon Young

I hear he'll announce it "within days" and it's a pretty interesting gig. - Robert Scoble

When will we find out Robert? - Dave "Freedom 35"

Are there cameras involved? - Simon Young

Funny. He didn't tell me because he thought I would tell everyone. :-) - Robert Scoble

so go ahead and tell us! : ) - Teri Gidwitz

Teri: believe me, I'm tempted, just to teach him a lesson! :-) - Robert Scoble

What I want to know: Who will replace him at Forrester? - Dave "Freedom 35"

BTW, I dig the new avatar, glad the green is gone ;) - Keith - @tsudo

Will he be interviewed on Building43? - Simon Young

Dave: not possible to replace him, sorry. - Robert Scoble

Well, payback is always worse. They're recruiting for a replacement at Forrester. Go look at his "former" blog; HR guy posted. - Teri Gidwitz

Same here. Green was getting a bit putrid. - Dave "Freedom 35"

Simon: nah, it's not a building43 kind of thing. - Robert Scoble

Big shoes indeed. - Dave "Freedom 35"

Oh. Interesting! - Simon Young

Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this? - James Stewart

Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool. - Daniel Fath

Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes. - courtney benson

Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else! - Jodi Echakowitz

Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-) - Robert Scoble

I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an... more... - James Stewart

FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :) - Dave "Freedom 35"

James: real time TV: http://friendfeed.com/search... Heheh. - Robert Scoble

haha oops - didn't know about that! - James Stewart

James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook. - Robert Scoble

thx Robert ....thats super cool - Johni Fisher

The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because... more... - James Stewart

Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :) - James Stewart

Amazon? - Jesse Stay

Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-) - Robert Scoble

Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (: - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed

DBAD - Josh Haley

Kim: heheh. - Robert Scoble

Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs? - Jeremiah Owyang

awww... ;-) - Chris Heath

Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :) - Rob La Gesse

Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert! - Kami Huyse

bring @goodboyrumba along for the video! :) - Rachel Luxemburg

Jeremiah: :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview? - Elliott Ng

Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him. - Josh Haley

I know those two things, Robert. - Louis Gray

I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of - Jesse Stay

Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info. - Jeremiah Owyang

Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers' - Drew B

Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media? - Nisse

Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy) - Jeremiah Owyang

Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here. - Drew B from email

Is he going to disneyland? - Cliff Gerrish

Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and... more... - Robert Scoble

So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used. - Brian Sullivan

I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well? - Jesse Stay

The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass. - Brian Sullivan

Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut. - Chris Heath

Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent. - Jeremiah Owyang

What's the point here?? - Andru Edwards

nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out. - Jeremiah Owyang

Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line. - Jeremiah Owyang

Ari - that's my guess too. - Hutch Carpenter

Now watch Scoble jump to Streamy right now to tell what Jeremiah is doing next. Ha! - Bryan R. Adams

This is funny! "JeremiahGate" got love it :) - Susan Beebe

Scoble is very good at keeping secrets and creating Buzz! :) - Susan Beebe

Thanks Jeremiah! Excited for you. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I want a "Gate" named after me :-) - Jesse Stay

Robert, excellent start at creating the "buzz" for @jowyang 's launch LOL - j damon brown

Link Baiting 101: Start a fight with Scoble. - Jason Calacanis

Once again, calacanis ftw - Chris Heath from iPhone

Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust. - Jeremy Pepper

Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway. - Robert Scoble

Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated. - Robert Scoble

LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated. - Ian Betteridge

Group hug. - Jeremiah Owyang

Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts. - A Mitchell

Louis Gray to Louis's feed, Mike Fruchter

FYI - The Ten People to Follow on FriendFeed Monthly Feature is Suspended, Failing Future Announcements.

August 24, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Given the changeover to Facebook, Mike and I have talked and decided we will let the community shake out before we think about continuing to build it more. - Louis Gray

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Uh oh. - Akiva

Mike and I are champions of what has been built here, but we are going to be watching the changes closely to see if it makes sense to continue investing the efforts we have each month. Hoping something comes to change our mind and returning to normal, but we're being realistic. - Louis Gray

Yep. - Louis Gray

this may sound stupid....keep in mind im new to FriendFeed...but what is the ten to follow on FriendFeed monthly Feature....? - Marissa

Marissa: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Louis Gray

Well, if nothing else, I just realized that I wasn't subscribed to Mike. So that's something, I guess. - Akiva

Louis, what are your secret plans and your roadmap? I'm super intrigued by your desktop at this moment. - Jimminy IS Everybody

whoa... now it's getting serious. - michael sean wright

oh. okay. thank you. =]] - Marissa

It was a great run. I agree with Louis, until we have a clear understanding of what the future has in store for FriendFeed, it's not beneficial to anyone to keep the list going. - Mike Fruchter

Akiva, same here. It was never on purpose though :-) - Mike Fruchter

Jason, I think that we have been reassured that the site will be kept alive. We have been encouraged by the recent introductions. But the last two videos have been more disconcerting, talking more about FB, and showing less clarity into plans. So I think it is safe to assume, until we hear otherwise, that the bulk of work will be for the site with millions of users. There has been no official update from the team yet, so we'll wait cautiously. - Louis Gray

Until then, consider this a "feature freeze" on our behalf until we get word from higher up that the project is still a priority. - Louis Gray

I don't think Louis is loosing faith. I think he is just realistic.He is not abandoning the site he championed the masses so hard for. It's a simple "feature freeze". Personally, I'm optimistic but also very cautious about the future of this site. Lets see what happens. *Hopefully* Facebook will make a public announcement at some point, the question is when? The fact that they have not, two weeks after the acquisition, makes you really wonder what their plans are for FriendFeed. Time will tell. - Mike Fruchter

So 10 to follow in Google Reader coming next? - MaryAnn Chick Whiteside

MaryAnn, that would be an interesting thing. I believe some of the best Google Reader sharers are here on FriendFeed. :) - Louis Gray

Much easier to see the whole list here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... Hopefully you won't take that spreadsheet offline, as I am using it for some research and it does have some merit beyond friendfeed. - April Russo

April, I would never take that doc offline. I don't even think I am the owner. :) - Louis Gray

ANDREA YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. - Louis Gray

I think the list could be kept going, but expanded in other directions to include more than just friendfeed, so anyone added to the list, it would also give info on how to follow them elsewhere, like twitter, facebook, Google Reader and other sites...not just friendfeed. This way, the list continues to be of value, no matter what happens. I believe that anyone that made that list for... more... - April Russo

here comes the Facebook changes - sucks! - Mekkar

April - is that list up to date? (I vainly checked for my name and didn't see it :) ) - Jeff (Team マクダジ )

Wow. That comes as quite a shock. - Derrick

Louis, Mike, maybe just switch over to a monthly list of what order we should start unsubscribing. <--- Being cheeky, but it gave me a serious thought: List of of people to follow in other contexts—those who are FF alumni (whether active on posterous, greader, or what have you). Just a thought. :) - Micah

@Jeff I think June may have been the last time it was updated. - April Russo

[sad face] I realise you are adopting a very prudent "wait and see" policy but this still feels like the beginning of the end. Or the end of the beginning of the end. It's almost more shocking than the FB announcement itself. I shall have to ponder this further. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

Interesting move. - Kol Tregaskes

Perhaps the any new top 10 should be posted on All Wordy and Junk? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

That would be one option, Kol, and a good one. - Louis Gray

Bummer, but it is a pragmatic decision for the two of you to make. - DGentry

I guess I can suspend my devious plan to send massive bribes to Mike Fruchter, then. He probably wouldn't have taken it, anyway. - DGentry

sad, but probably a good decision as well. It would be great to keep FF as its own domain, but without any information coming out, it is difficult to commit to FF as a social network, or spend a lot of time on the site. - Dan owns Comicsforge.com

Damn! And I thought I was next!! - Dave Hodson

that's too bad... i wonder if you guys have some inside info on FF's future? I just spent the last week on Facebook instead of here - to get used to it. and it sucked. sucked a lot. - andy brudtkuhl

DO ANYBODY NO WHY MAFIA WARS IZ POKING ME? I SCARED - Richard Walker

Paul Buchheit

I'm trying to find a formula for generating the perfect tweet (then I can automate it!). Here's what I have so far: Statement of fact (preferably one that shows how awesome or lame your life is) followed by witty insight or observation.

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Apply the formula here, or propose a better formula. This was inspired by a discussion of what my brother's dog would tweet if he had a twitter account (and could tweet). It started with "Just got neutered.", but then we had trouble coming up with the witty insight or observation part. - Paul Buchheit

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'RT @scobleizer [whatever he said]'. Seems to work for a lot of people. - Akiva

dim statement = 'Unwillingly, unwittingly sycophantic to a fault, but with backbone. Life is like an ashtray.' ; - Rob Schieber

[Statement or question] + [derogatory or self-derogatory co-fact] + [#ididntmeanit or #itotallymeanit or #spammingthetrendingtopics] - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

Personally, I prefer '[excerpt of content] + [http://ff.im link]'. - Akiva

Oh, I read that as [exempt of content] + [http://ff.im link] - WoH: Professor MOTHRA

People seem to be big fans of pithy observations of life phrased as a rhetorical question followed by the phrase "just sayin'" and an irrelevant hashtag lately. Another one to add to your generator would be a 3 sentence verbose response to the topic of the day, but with the vowels taken out to fit in a 140 character tweet. - Mark Trapp

Is this going to be the "I'm feeling lucky" button on FriendFeed? - Jesse Stay

{situation|product} is {overrated|underrated}. It's like {verb}ing in a {place} with a {object}. - Francesco Balducci

best "something" EEVER"!!!! "link" - Chris Hofmann

'Something [awesome|terrible] happened and that's all I'm going to say about that' or some variant thereof. - Akiva

"RT @paultoo [whatever y'all figure out]" - Ken Sheppardson

{oath of fealty to Friendfeed}.{parting words}."That is all." - Josh Haley from iPhone

Rhetorical question? ANGRY SOUNDING ALL CAPS ANSWER, WHETHER AFFIRMATIVE OR NOT. #threewordhashtag - Chris Charabaruk

Here is the issue: A witty insight or observation is not made witty by the creator but by the observer. So, unless your automator will tweet and laugh at itself or somehow guess the minds of your audience, it might have issues. - Aditya Mittal

The problem with a purely structural approach is you can either end up with "perfect" or http://tweetingtoohard.com/top - Ken Sheppardson

Start with Fark.com headline generation rules and then remove the news story subtext ;) - Robert J Taylor from iPhone

I prefer Tweets with links to valuable resources and opinions. - Garin Kilpatrick

i know this is true (this sentence manages to be both parts). - kosmar

For me, the perfect tweet is a link to a high-quality document, accompanied by a terse summary of its core content. Those are pretty much the only tweets I pay attention to. - Sean McBride

Ironic statements are good - CoreyTess Trujillo

My favorite tweets say just enough to make you sooo curious you have to follow the "in reply to" to know what the heck they're talking about! In other words... it's real & witty conversation. =) - Arleen Boyd

Sounds like you have a 50% winner. "How about "I hope you humans are happy with your life!" - Houseofmax

I, for one, welcome our new Twitter overlords! - Bill Sodeman

Robert Scoble

I wish Twitter would sell to Google so it would die like Jaiku and Dodgeball. But I won't post this over on Twitter. I really don't have much love for the service, even though I know I'll be stuck using it for the indefinite future. Jesse Stay has it figured out. It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping.

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Here I can write the equivilent of an entire blog post. And even make changes. And even have a conversation. And use it as many times an hour as I want (Twitter rate limits my apps after a while cause I'm too heavy of a user). - Robert Scoble

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werd. - imabonehead

I can sense already that FriendFeed is slowing down now that it is joining Facebook, while Twitter still has the best flow (and best system for following people and best mobile clients). So, we're stuck with Twitter, which is too bad, because the technology here is a ton better. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is a piece of crap - BUT it's where the audience is (currently). - Jim Connolly

Now it is starting to feel like FF again with you bigging it up again Robert ;) - travispuk

Twitter is the new MySpace. - imabonehead

Maybe google wave will change the way we use twitter, etc. again. Haven't tried it yet, but it might succeed where friendfeed "failed" - getting enough people to use it. - Frank S.

Travis: I had to go and clean out my Twitter and Facebook accounts and spread out my usage. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I'm thinking of setting up a facebook account for my Marketing blog - what do you think? - Jim Connolly

@Scobleizer I don't think Friendfeed would be quite so popular if it weren't for twitter - Prolific Programmer from IM

Twitter is the new Myspace - HAHA - this quote made my day. For me it is just becoming a multiplicator for my friendfeed but it is important for that! - Sascha Pallenberg

Prolific: I'm not so sure. Blogs made Twitter. So, what if there were no Twitter? We would still talk up something else. But maybe FriendFeed wouldn't have thrived anyway. Twitter hit a sweet spot with its easy to program API, it's easy to use interface, and its cute name and branding. - Robert Scoble

Twitter works extremely well on mobile devices. I constantly see people tweeting whereas it's more difficult to do with FriendFeed's interface for a typical user. - imabonehead

Really think that Twitter is annoying it's users too much. There's some problems out there that are really being ignored. Here's an example of a problem that could be solved very simply, but no action is being taken (if it was solved it'd create a lot of goodwill) http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter... - Edd McArdle

Robert, now that FriendFeed's people are working for Facebook, and since Facebook has already been making changes to make it more "open socially", do you think eventually that Facebook will become the best place to have serious conversations? - Carlton Hackett

Carlton: yes. - Robert Scoble

I've been thinking so too. Although, I wonder how the non-Soc/net junkies will respond to that? - Carlton Hackett

Robert, two thoughts. #1 - do you think Google really would let it die? Acquiring Twitter would be more like its YouTube acquisition than Jaiku (in terms of price and # of users). Secondly, what would Twitter have to change for you to change your opinion? - Ben Parr

I really, really, really want Twitter to work out is the thing. It's just a pain in the neck to communicate without either losing the conversation or spamming useless banter over multiple Tweets because you can't fit it in 140 characters. That's just my experience. Those still spending most their time there don't mind it I guess. - Jesse Stay

I like Twitter. The conversation flows pretty well for me, and to be fair, I get more @replies there than I get replies here to my posts. - Chris Nixon

I think a combination of the Retweet API and a true threaded replies architecture and UI could change some of my opinion on that though if they do it. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: It's NOT just your experience. Twitter is getting less valuable the bigger it gets. The spam / porn / bots issue is insane and ruining the experience. - Jim Connolly

Chris: I have a twitter account with over 20,000 followers and get ten times as many replies here as I get there. Here I only have a small following. The calibre of people I connect with here is better too. - Jim Connolly

Jesse, have Twitter improved their communication with developers since you wrote about it in April? - Edd McArdle

Edd, over the last week I have noticed a difference, yes, but it's hard to tell if it will remain that way. They now seem to have a project manager over the API dev team (Ryan Sarver). He seems to be putting a filter on some things and keeping devs updated elsewhere. They're still learning though, much slower than FB or FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

agree on spam and bots, but it still is a nice little thing, if it remains what it was made for! marketing and reviewing thing isn't/shouldn't be there, true friendfeed is more effective as a tool for sending your message across, it is simple and strong - testbeta

Testbeta: ... and FF works. - Jim Connolly

Jim, Jesse, Robert: Value varies. For me, Twitter value continues to increase. I use it to find out what's happening, meet up with people, get random insights into how people are doing, find new people. It all works well. There are many different use cases and one tool does not have to do them all. - Rachel Clarke

i couldn't agree more! - lilian

Rachel: "It all works well"? Really? Twitter? - Jim Connolly

Rachel, I agree with you. I just don't think Twitter works well for conversations, that's all. I use FriendFeed and Facebook for that. I use Twitter for different purposes, and I agree it does still have value. - Jesse Stay

sometimes i think of Automattic's intense debate, but well friendfeed is intense debate, such a experience was never had on blogs, the commenting, liking, and so fast it propagates, even disqus commenting systems can't achieve what we have here on friendfeed, but i can't just throw away twitter, twitter still is good, true for the serious types it's word limit, reply system is a bit of... more... - testbeta

I would love to have FriendFeed as the commenting system on my blog. - Chris Nixon

Chris, there are a few plugins that do that. I haven't tried them though. - Jesse Stay

Chris: Check out what Scoble's doing with FF on building43.com - Jim Connolly

Jim: yes. It works well for what I want it to do (I'm ignoring the ongoing issues with the DDOS). It's a free tool that adds far more value than it costs me to wait for odd outage. - Rachel Clarke

Just checked your Twitter account and now understand exactly what you are saying. - Jim Connolly

Jesse: agree, I use Facebook, Friendfeed, blogs, comments etc, all for different things. I even use the phone as a phone occasionally to talk with people ;-) But the assumption that one tool/service can do everything - and should do everything - is something I have a problem with. If something does not work for a person, don't use it. - Rachel Clarke

The twitter ecoverse is cool, can do Psychological Profiles, can do Social Network Analysis. All those services that spawned as a result are amazing. I am also amazed at how dense Asians Languages are on Twitter, think about it they get about 60% more per tweet. - Robert Higgins

Ben: at this point I am not sure what Twitter could do to win back my love. I will use it just like I use AT&T and United Airlines. I have very little love for those even though I use them frequently. Twitter wins because it is simple and flat and has great clients. I wouldn't cry if it disappeared, though. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

So why do you hate it? - Raanan Avidor

You want it to die? Such an odd statement. I have met so many great people through Twitter, and the news information I can find through search or news agencies or even people who are newshounds are amazing. I know it's not perfect and the last few weeks have definately proved that, and the spam is just awful. But to want to kill it, what a strong statement. - PC Easy from twhirl

Twitter is not abot writing blog posts or having conversations, its about small pieces of information being communicated to anyone who wants to listen. You do not have to listen, if you want a conversation use a forum or FriendFeed, use WordPress for blog posts. Stop trying to make Twitter into something it is not designed to be. - Darren Rollett

I really used to like Twitter, still do sometimes. What I don't like is the Twitter hype. I don't seem able to turn on any media channel these days without reading/hearing or watching about it. Even the BBC reported that Twitter was under attack recently on the main BBC news. FFS come on, there must be more happening in the world than a micro blogging site with a few million users... more... - Nick Bristow

If you owned twitter would you sell to google? - cheapsuits from iPhone

Robert, Atleast something positive could come out of it. If Twitter sells to Google they might(though its not guaranteed) make it opensource and then a federation of twitter server(ala wave servers) can co-exist happily and that way we'll own our stuff(as Anil Dash and other points out). Or they might integrate it in Wave framework. Not that people are not gonna complain about it but thats a different topic. - Abhishek Sharma

Surely an improvement in the service would be a more positive wish? - Chris Nixon

Say what you want but something with the architecture of friendfeed is far more conversational then twitter could ever be. - cheapsuits

I don't know why people think Twitter is the place to converse. It's really not built for that. I find myself enjoying the flow of conversations more on Facebook and FriendFeed. - Naomi Williams

Self pimping? Hmmm... Perhaps not for all of us. And besides, self-pimping isn't limited to twitter. - @JonAston

PS - Maybe it's just me, but you seem bitter lately. Hope you turn that around for yourself. - @JonAston

Jon: You are right. People pimp on FriendFeed too; as I say in my new book.... :-) - Jim Connolly

@jim, they will do anywhere, this is human nature, they do even in real life, so why not in virtual one? - abdellah

Abdellah: Absolutely. - Jim Connolly

"(Twitter) It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping." AMEN - Alejandro

Personally I wish Google would buy both Facebook and Twitter so they could both die. - Brian Sullivan

@brian, hey where could I read to you then?!! - abdellah

@Frank S. Google Wave will only be valid if you actually have other friends/collegues who use Google Wave. Otherwise you'll be using it with the *crickets* - Naomi Williams

Oh yeah -- forgot that due to circumstances beyond our control FF is now Facebook. ;-) - Brian Sullivan

oh yeah , they share the same vision, they got the same perception... - abdellah

I hope the FaceBook people will take comments like these to heart. I do like twitter but the functionality FriendFeed brought was the next generation in stream notification. - Chris Jackson

Mark: Yeah - all I need is a title. Oh, and a book....and the time to write one....then I will be pimping like a pro! - Jim Connolly

Wow Robert, I was thinking this the past few days and could never bring it to words...well done - Braden Douglass

I was gonna call the Funky Phantom. (That really dates me.) - Jim Connolly

Robert, I challenge you to stop using Twitter for a month and then blog about the experience. And that includes hiding all Tweets in FF. - Mike Doeff from iPhone

Lets face it, Twitter was built as an update service - a big Internet megaphone. The natural transition has been from update service to marketing service. Big Internet Megaphone. It's good at that, but it's not at conversations nor at discovery. The larger problem is people still approach Twitter like a true social engagement tool - and it's simply not. The disconnect between perception and reality results in the poor adoption numbers and other soft metrics. - AJ Kohn

twitter is noise. filter it and you can find some gold. imho, that's beyond mere self-pimpage - Rob Schieber

i'd love to meetup with fellows and see what api scraping is going on - know where threads are for that? - Rob Schieber

Idk, This seems so much better then twitter. - SeanParnell

It does have a lot of noise, granted - but if it went away now, I'm not sure where everyone would run to. Facebook is too silly, Linkedin is too stolid, and everything else is too fractured for me to communicate with all the people I want to in a single shot. Guess I'd end up doing everything through ping.fm after all. - Ciaoenrico

Wow, Isn't online chit-chat such a fuss? :) - SeanParnell

Robert, just a week or two you were saying that Twitter is beating FriendFeed because of scanability http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... And you had lots of complaints about the FriendFeed user interface. You also talked about how Twitter was much better after you un-followed everyone and hand picked who you're following. I have to ask, what has changed in the past few days to make you say that the service should die? Feels like you're flip flopping. - Mike Doeff

Can't you apply for extended API limits? - Tristan Seligmann

love the single post/status page, i mean like this: http://twitter.com/twitter... - testbeta

I noticed that in the past two weeks, the tweet intensity has greatly decreased from all my follows in Twitter. Granted, I'm not following too many, but the ones I do follow have traditionally tweeted a lot each day. Is this a trend (has Twitter become a has been) or is this simply a coincidental anomaly? - Jeff Sayre

Robert I find myself on friendfeed more these days - (jeff)isageek

@brian would you consider myspace if both facebook and twitter die?!!(ps: sorry I forget the LOL) - abdellah

Myspace -- don't know. I haven't really tried or paid attention to it. But probably not -- isn't it Facebook like? Maybe usenet? ;-) - Brian Sullivan

brian, let forget all those techie and go irc :) - abdellah

IMO, people who don't like the limitations of Twitter and whine about it hampering them are using it wrong. Twitter is not a place to pimp your blog or drive traffic to your site. It is not an SEO tool. It's not a place for you to compete in order to get more 'followers'. If you've ever tried to do any of these things, or if you ever followed more than a few hundred people, then yes, no... more... - Otto

Well said Otto - Chris Nixon

Jesse Stay: you should stop complaining so much about twitter when you build an entire business based on their lack of functionality and other issues. - Mihai Secasiu

Mihai, I'm not complaining - they can do what they want. As I said I really want them to succeed. It's a matter of fact that they do have their flaws - I'm hoping to help them fix those, assuming they're listening at all. What are you doing to help Twitter get better? - Jesse Stay

it is like twitter if for what,where, when and friendfeed is for why, how - testbeta

Mike: just because I use a service doesn't mean I love it. I use ATT and United all the time and they suck too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

And yes Twitter has some good things about it. Doesn't mean it is all good. Personally it is overused and overhyped and YES I am partially responsible. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Apostol I get value out of Twitter. You aren't listening. I get value out of AT&T too but it COULD be so much more. Chris I tried to be positive but Twitter just doesn't respond to positivity. Plus they are cynical AT BEST about their users. Read the Twittergate documents to see just how cynical they are. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Twitter was just there at the right time. It's not the best solution to the problem (microblogging), but it's good ~enough~. - Trent Hamm

You seriously think Twitter will die once it gets bought by a 'bigger' company? - Mike Shields

Mike: do you use Dodgeball? It was bought by Google. So was Jaiku. - Robert Scoble

Trent: did you just call Twitter the Microsoft of microblogging? Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say too! ;-) - Robert Scoble

I just find it amazing that all the early adopters get really snobby about Twitter now it is getting more mainstream. There is something snobby about people's attitude to Facebook as well. I'm not a fan of Facebook but I know more people who use Facebook than use Twitter or Friendfeed combined. Even my mum has a Facebook account but she'd never be on Twitter or Friendfeed. Twitter... more... - Paul Nash

I liked Pownce. I wonder what SixApart has cooking up for them. So there's really no chance for Plurk to make a comeback and take back the community? With all the outage problems Twitter has, I would think Plurk would try to capitalize on that. Guess not. - John Wang

now if the Google Reader team could just get their new commenting system streamlined and real-time ... :) - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)

Paul: it's not hard to understand if you are in our shoes. Here's why. When a company is young and struggling to get noticed, they love having early adopters. After all, that's the ONLY WAY a company gets to the next stage. I've never seen a company go straight to Oprah stage without getting early adopters excited. Then once the company gets enough traction they usually start mistreating the early adopters. In this case Twitter stabbed them in the back. Leo Laporte, for instance ... - Robert Scoble

...got me excited about Twitter and was THE REASON it was the big huge deal at that 2007 SXSW. He had more followers than Mashable last year. But did he get put on the Suggested User List? No. So now Mashable has more than a million and Leo has a knife in his back. And you think it's amazing that early adopters turn their backs on Twitter? Really now. - Robert Scoble

I don't see how Leo has a knife in his back. There was no preconceived notion that anyone would be added to that list. Who cares? He was fine before that list was created, and he can be just as fine now, and just as engaging. - Andru Edwards

Andru: when he was hyping up the service and telling his users to use it, he was getting something in return: being at the top of the follower lists. When Twitter artificially put its own people at the top of the follower lists, and handed out grants of followers (worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way -- Mashable has changed its entire business to be Twitter centric) they specifically dissed Leo and many others. Most of whom won't point it out in public. - Robert Scoble

Sadly true. I'm in much the same boat -- Twitter is a necessity for professionals and bloggers to stay on top of things, but other socialnets like Brightkite and FF are light years beyond it, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon. Don't even get me started on the spammers and the get-rich-quick'ers. - Ryan Meader

But before the SUL was released, didn't Leo abandon Twitter in favor of Jaiku, due to Twitter having "Twit" as part of its name? Just saying, if I owned a list that I had complete control over, and someone showed that behavior towards me (whether it was right or wrong, I am not judging), I would think twice before putting them on a list that will result in many people seeing they they... more... - Andru Edwards

I can't agree with you more, Robert. - Jon Ursenbach

Scobe: I very much disagree that it is about self pimping. Perhaps your senses are mush because you follow too many? I absolutely love getting that link to a new article or research, or to get a tweet from that celeb that makes me think and provides insight into a new world. I also use it as a research tool, for exploratory purposes. Twitter, as you know very well, is about what you make it, and that is a tenuous notion that really is influenced by who you follow. - Chad Gesser

Andru: again, the list did NOT exist in the days when we were hyping up Twitter. So, there was a "promise" to early adopters that if they invested time in the service they could be at the top of the follower lists. Sort of how PlayFoursquare is today promising users that they can become mayors of places they frequent more than anyone else. What Twitter did was the equivilent of PlayFoursquare telling everyone that their "mayorship" doesn't matter anymore and that Oprah is now mayor of everywhere. - Robert Scoble

Chad: one thing you have to remember about me is that I see that Twitter has 1,001 uses. Stop seeing the world as black and white. This is one post I'm making about Twitter among thousands. Translation: I already agreed with you. But you have to admit that many people use Twitter for self promotion. - Robert Scoble

Andru: and anyway, the SUL is hardly the only reason to diss Twitter. Twitter still goes down all the time, it still has stupid rate limits. It still can't block spam effectively. It still has no friend management. It still has no features that didn't exist a year ago. And it is, in many respects, behaving worse. I'm hearing from developers that Twitter is becoming more closed, not more open (to monetize) and we're seeing them pick winners before the marketplace is done (bit.ly anyone?) - Robert Scoble

The nice thing about Twitter is that it keeps your message short and to the point. Friendfeed is great but it doesn't lend itself well to an external app out of the browser. Also FriendFeed and any of these services you don't own your content - Seth Goldstein

Seth: bing! So, back to the blog we will go. Except, why are we still here? ;-) - Robert Scoble

Awww Twitter the "me" network :) - Wayne Sutton from iPhone

Anyone tried Streamy? - cheapsuits

because the interraction is in real time - abdellah

Wayne: retweet me. :-) abdellah: I thought it was because of all the sex. ;-) - Robert Scoble

that was my expectation too ;) - abdellah

Robert: But what do you want from these companies ? Chaps like you give them the oxygen of publicity they need and they court you and then when they become successful you suddenly start to criticise them. Friendfeed has become successful (in great part to your endless plugging of it) and the founders will now go on to make money through their company being taken over by Facebook. You,... more... - Paul Nash

Scoble: no doubt....I can deal with the self promotion, the e marketing and spam garbage though to me is what has gooootttt to go - Chad Gesser

Paul: my role in life is to use what will be, not what is. I don't turn on many companies, but Twitter isn't one that dealt with early adopters on good faith. - Robert Scoble

nick: I explained why above. - Robert Scoble

Is there a "social media" company that has dealt with early adopters in "good faith"? Facebook, FriendFeed, Flickr I suspect don't qualify ? Any that do? - Brian Sullivan

all platforms seem to have self pimpering styles, why so passionate against twitter? Objectional question, not one of rhetoric. - nick tadd

Brian: I didn't know that any of those have actively dissed their best early adopters. Facebook kicked me off, but only because I broke the TOS. It's always been straight up with me. Same with Flickr, although I do watch Thomas Hawk's talk about their censorship. - Robert Scoble

none as brian says, they all deal with them, and "the earlier adopter" contribute to their evolution until they sell (sorry) - abdellah

nick: because it's so prevalent there. "Look at my blog post about xxx" is almost a staple on Twitter. It's a new RSS reader. Which is fine, I use it too for that! :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, I think you may have the makings for one of your future blogs here. Perhaps you do it for that reason? ;) The thing about Twitter is always going to be its LBE. It's a mainstream LBE to Social Media. For that very reason its perfect for business, government, and non profit to take public temperature and promote. The other "noise" is the "MV", the "mainstream voice". The conversation is 4 way.(and yes sometimes only 1 way) but there it is and its not going to go away any time soon. - Melanie Reed

Yes, indeed, Twitter is the Microsoft of microblogging. It's good enough, but not the best - but it has the huge advantage that everyone is using it, so you have to use it for compatibility reasons. - Trent Hamm

DAMN Robert I HATE that you are right on this one!!!!! - Arleen Boyd

Hopefully you use it for positive self pimping and not for negative pimping... which is inevitable - Kevin Burrell

Alex, they are taking mobile seriously - they sold to Facebook. :-) - Jesse Stay

What makes people think Facebook or Twitter is all-conquering? There's a new generation coming through, and they aren't using these services. It's very important not to get sucked in by the hype of a service you use. Fanboys will talk up the positives and ignore the negatives, giving you a skewed message. The truth is somewhere in the massive grey area in between. - Chris Nixon

The new generation uses Facebook a lot, but not Twitter. - Steph (sh_skew) from email

Let me say that it is not twitter per se. It is the population of twitter to make it the place it is at the moment. Whenever there is a (free entrance) place crowded of people, there will be spambots to pollute it. - funkyboy from Posty

Twitter is just a temporary solution for a quick mixture of instant messaging + status updates + chat forum. - Bora Wiemann

Just having a discussion today that Twitter will eventually go bankrupt when the hype is over - Khuram Hussain

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For example - how do I message you directly so you know I'm speaking to you (i.e. Twitter @ reply) but all your followers and my followers know that we're having a conversation in Twitter back and forth so that they can follow and interject when they want. Everytime we do that we have to start a brand new discussion thread and I have to "tell" you somehow that I'm talking to you. Twitter is like email/phone conversations and friendfeed is like collective blogging/commenting. - Lon Cohen

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Dead people shouldn't have copyrights...it's stupid.

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Dead people don't their estate does. - Chris Greene

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Yeah, that argument makes it less stupid? Not. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

+Chris. Or companies which may have invested in the intellectual property. - τorƍue

@Alex - Sure it does. Tolkein's kids have a right to everything their parents left them. - Chris Greene

Copyrights is like an inheritance to the kids, but rather than estates being given, they are giving their intellectual property. - Wizetux

Alex, I agree with the sentiment, but if a copyright is invalidated upon death, then a sufficiently valuable copyright would provide incentive to off the owner. :P - Tanath

Like hell they don't...They have a right to the money/property he bequeathed them at death, not to keep on making money based on his works. That's not how copyright is supposed to work. It's supposed to grant a limited time for which a creator can recoup the costs of their work. It's not supposed to transfer to their children and to their children's children. It should be a lot closer to the patent system. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I think it's stupid that copyrights last much longer than the average human lifespan. I think it actually does a lot of hamper innovation. - Victor Ganata

Why are patents for 17 years but copyrights are effectively without end? It's stupid, that's why. It's all so Disney can continue to make money off of Mickey Mouse without coming out with new content. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

The patent system is borked too... - Tanath

@Alex -According to you argument intelliectual property shouldn't be transferred. If that's the case, then why does a company get to maintain ownership of IP after the creator passes? - Chris Greene

Because they bought off Congress. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

@Alex - Adding to that, then if the company is passed on to realatives they no longer own that IP? - Chris Greene

LOL, blunt & to the point. :) - Tanath

@Alex: copyrights have an end: in the US it is 70 years after the death of the creator. - Wizetux

@Alex - So a company is not property then? - Chris Greene

That would certainly provide incentive to innovate... - Tanath

The whole point of the patent/copyright systems are to spur innovation and the creation of new works. The current system actually runs counter to this goal. And no, copyright is not property. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I didn't say copyright, I said a company - Chris Greene

I don't care about companies. This conversation isn't about companies, it's about copyrights. All arguments that don't deal with copyright, but with other ideas other than copyright and patents will be ignored by me. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

By the way, a company's copyrights now last for 95 years. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

It is. I asked if a companies IP (and copyright) is transferrable once the originator dies. As such, is the company transferrable? - Chris Greene

Wouldn't copyrights force people to not copy off others work, and come up with something of their own? I don't get how they inhibit innovation/creation. - Heather

The original U.S. Copyright Act granted rights for 14 years with a 14 year extension. Now it's 70 years after the author dies, or if it's a work-for-hire, 95 years after publication, or 120 years after creation. - Victor Ganata

But it would force creators to come up with new stuff every few decades, instead of milking their one good idea for the rest of their life. The current system encourages mediocrity. We shouldn't be surprised that that's what we get. - Victor Ganata

Patents do stifle innovation: http://www.physorg.com/news167... I think the argument generalizes to copyright as well. - Tanath

Heather: If you and someone else are both offering the same service/product, which one are people likely to choose? Without the copyright/patents, it forces competitive innovation on everything, including existing products & services. - Tanath

Copyright law isn't spelled out in the Constitution. :) And I've done plenty posts about it here on friendfeed :) - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

So I come up with a great book and publish it a month before I die and never personally benefit from its greatness. It's stupid that benefit can't go to my estate for a reasonable time. - Tinfoil 2.0

Yes, copyright law has been mutated into something ugly, but that doesn't mean we should swing the pendulum all the way the other way. As usual, the right answer is somewhere in the middle. - Tinfoil 2.0

Yeah...17 years should be the answer. :) - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Oh and I wrote a letter to my state senators and my congressman to not pass the DMCA once...they just told me it was in my best interests...yeah right - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Lindsey: "Just because I'm dead doesn't mean they stop being mine." It kinda does, since you don't exist anymore... - Tanath

Logical Extremes: Public policy is supposed to be about what benefits society, not individuals or companies & corporations. - Tanath

I'd rather see a fixed period like how the patent system is. Problem is that big companies like Disney just pay off congresspeople to extend the rights. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I'm surprised that they haven't been able to do so with patents - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

That would be a step in the right direction. - Tanath

I'd like to see lifetime + 21 years or 70 years, whichever is greater. Maybe nudge it to 80 out of respect for expanding lifespans. Actually, my idea would be a fixed cap of, say, 20 or 40 years, but small steps, y'know? - Roger Benningfield

The world isn't restricted to changing in small steps... - Tanath

It's probably too much to ask that the pendulum go back to where it was originally, but at least the pendulum should start shifting in the other direction of decreasing duration. 120 years is a ridiculously long time. - Victor Ganata

Alex: What do you think about eliminating copyright and/or patents? - Tanath

I don't think that would be a good idea...I think that would have the same effect on innovation that having copyright/patent periods too long does - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

How so? - Tanath

For instance, drug companies wouldn't bother spending the billions it takes to get new drugs made unless they got the guaranteed exclusivity that a patent brings - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I don't know about that... and there are other ways to deal with stuff like that. Public funding is one option. - Tanath

Tanath: Short of full-scale, violent revolt, yeah, the world is generally restricted to small steps. And I don't plan on offing anyone just to get Warner Bros. to surrender Superman to the public domain. - Roger Benningfield

copy rights should be timeconstrained, thats it (like 20yrs) - chaz2b

Roger Benningfield: I disagree. The advent of the internet for instance has changed & will change things rather quickly. Change is accelerating. And while you may not be one to off someone, the incentive would still be there, and from time to time it would happen. - Tanath

You know, if we adhere to cavet emptor, and choose not to protect the consumers from bad purchases, why should we protect the rich companies from bad investments? If they invest in something that everyone else duplicates (right away) isn't that called competition? - Paul W. Homer

So your against inheritance - why should a copyright expIre ? - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

Copyright still expires, just not within our lifetimes. The original intent of copyright was never to provide indefinite protection. - Victor Ganata

The U.S. Supreme Court rejected the idea that copyrighted works should have the same protections as physical property in 1834 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Victor Ganata

Just for the records, it's not an issue only at the US level. Since the Berne Convention, a lot of these questions are discussed at an international level (look for WIPO, ACTA,...) - Laurent

Dead people have descendants! And they SHOULD have rights! Dude... Dad up! - Arleen Boyd

Given the time frame they first specified, it was totally not the intention of the founding fathers to let copyright pass into the next generation. - Victor Ganata

Luckily for Disney, the strict constructionists of the Republican party saw through to the true, *hidden* intentions of the founding fathers! - Andrew C (✓)

Even better, they've managed to criminalize infringement. - Victor Ganata

Man, you are soooo onto something screwed up about this perpetual copyright concept. - Jason Nunnelley

I'm finding this discussion very interesting, although it seems that everyone knows a lot about copyright that I don't so I'm a little behind. But I would like to contend that the intentions of the Founding Fathers (dun dun dun and lightening) aren't the relevant concern. - Heather

Can't blame the GOP entirely. The Dems were still responsible for the 1976 act, which extended it to 75 years or creator's life+50 years. - Victor Ganata

I don't know. I still believe the purpose of copyright is "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries", and not simply to allow people to ride the gravy train into infinity and beyond. I suspect I'm not the only one who believes similarly. - Victor Ganata

Interesting use of "to infinity and beyond". ;) BTW, I can't figure that Wikipedia link out, I think my brain has melted but I don't know what it means. - Heather

I'm in favor of prohibiting "authorship" transfer. And, the original term was 15 years - Now, it's 70 years after the death of the author, and transferable to holding companies and trusts. Not to mention, Disney's artists are "work for hire." Copyright has become the tool of corporations and investors. - Richard Walker

IANAL, so the case write up itself is pretty opaque to me, but going by the summary, one side of the case contended that copyright is a natural right of a creator of any work, and that it should last in perpetuity, and that a copyrighted work should have the same protections as real and tangible property does. The case went to the Supreme Court, and they said, no, copyright can only exist as decreed and enforced by the state and it isn't the same thing as real and tangible property. - Victor Ganata

Oh yes, except China. They don't have to comply for some reason - perhaps because we can't make them pay, perhaps because they haven't signed any treaties. But maybe, the complete absence of "regional pricing" that makes sense is yet another problem with copyright today. - Richard Walker

I agree 100% http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Geo Meek

I'd be all for a fixed term like 15 or 20 years or something like life +5 years. - Steele Lawman

Oooh, thinking about Alex's original post I'm coming up with a great near-future sci-fi story where anyone who comes up with a hit song or story or movie immediately has hire serious bodyguards to protect themselves from the IP assassins who try to have them rubbed out so their copyrights will expire. - Steele Lawman

I believe Microsoft Office would cost a small business in China their entire budget for a year.. A CD would cost one family's income for a month. Or thereabouts. - Richard Walker

Ah . . . the Mickey Mouse clause - every time the copyright on Mickey gets close - the 'fixed term' gets extended. Copyright is driven by American capitalism ?? - Chris Loft

I'm not a capitalist? - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Because I don't believe in unfettered capitalism, doesn't mean I'm not a capitalist - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

How is that not capitalism? I believe in responsible capitalism. Fettered capitalism is what we have now...more or less. :) - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Trading in knockoff goods should be analogous to illegal music downloads, meaning that cheap handbag should cost you literally millions, according to the Jammie (Jamie?) Thomas disaster. - Richard Walker

LOL Dave, and this is where we obviously diverge in opinion. Business has been allowed to run so rampant over society in the last 20 years that it's caused a lot of problems. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

curious Alex: so the family of an arist should've benefit if a work is published posthumously if the work was finished on his deathbead? - Sean Reiser

Yeah, I think if you read my comments, I'd like to have a fixed period of ownership (no longer than 30 years) rather than the system we have now...This would give families in the situation you propose some benefit from the works of a loved one. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Sorry Alex missed it scrolling through... we're in agreement. - Sean Reiser

Patents without an intent to market are even worse - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

What is it Warren Buffet is doing he's left his kids "Enough money to do whatever they want and not enough that they can do nothing" - Sean Reiser

Yeah, in my mind, corporations living off the teat of the dead is even a bigger problem than the "welfare rich" - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I feel like if *poof* all copyrights were over after 30years from origination there would be a lot of shitty movies in production in a year or two. Plus, I understand Disney is the devil and whatnot, but if a character (like Tinkerbell maybe) is still popular and stuff involving the character are still being produced, shouldn't that reinforce the copyright? Going back to Tolkien, LotR... more... - Heather

Heather if Popularity is a factor in copyright then Shakespeare and Dickens are still under copyright - Sean Reiser

Heather, I think a law against shitty movies would be a great thing. - Steele Lawman

Hate to break it to you, but there are already a lot of shitty movies getting made. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Do we need more? lol - Heather

And one could argue that new works that are derivative of previous works would be protected under new copyright - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

LOL - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I'm all for peeling away copyright laws. In a totally unregulated world, copyright would not exist. - Victor Ganata

Apparently I thought this thread was dead, while y'alls comments were queuing up. My bad, I don't mean to talk AT the thread LOL - Richard Walker

Heather, just a bit of background on why Disney deserves derision - Mickey Mouse was ganked, cribbed, stolen, from Steamboat Willie, and much of their huge money makers are derivative of the Brothers Grimm, H.C. Anderson, etc. etc. Song of the South, though, is entirely original I think :) And what others have said about Mickey driving copyright extension is true. So, the fact that none... more... - Richard Walker

Heather, I think you're mixing trademarks (like the characters of Tinkerbell, Mickey Mouse, etc) with the copyrighted works they appear in. I don't think anyone is saying Disney should lose their trademarks, but IMO old works very well should have copyright expire. - Andrew C (✓)

Heather, 30 years from publication solves your problem nicely. A derivative work can get its own 30 year term, paying as appropriate to the work.it derived from - Richard Walker

By the way Alex, you've hit on my preferred solution exactly, with one small addition: rights of "authorship" can't be transferred meaning Yoko can't prevent a derivative Lennon work. That is Lennon's call only. Not inherited. The heirs to "Gone With the Wind" attempted and failed to prevent publication of a re-telling from the slave's perspective, "The Wind Done Gone". I know my Lessig :) - Richard Walker

Arleen, you should concede that you missed the point, that inheriting the right to profit from a REASONABLE copyright is not the issue. Lessig has written extensively on why the ridiculous, RETROACTIVE copyright extensions have perverted the intent of copyright, and created a monster, namely effectively perpetual copyright bought and sold by holding companies, trusts, and media conglomerates. And occasionally a Michael Jackson. - Richard Walker

I love this thread! by the way. - Richard Walker

Good for bringing up this important topic Alex. Copyright lasts way too long. Disney and mega corporations ought not hold sole creative license to remix these important works from the past. Copyright should not last past your death. That's just wrong. - Thomas Hawk

Why is it "just wrong"? There is as much to justify copyright being passed on to estates as chattel or property, Maybe copyright shouldn't exist at all? - Brian Sullivan

It's wrong because art needs to be recycled and prohibiting past creative efforts from becoming part of new creative efforts is harmful to art and the creativity that is possible. It puts limits in place that the artist has to deal with unnecessarily. Copyright is put into place as an incentive for people to create art. There is no need to extend that incentive on to the artists' children, grandchildren or businesses. All copyright should die with the artist. - Thomas Hawk

Copyright law needs a complete overhaul. Or more accurately, to be thrown out and rewritten wholesale. - Jim #TeamMonique

well, some sort of right to the proceeds generated by one's efforts is warranted. If that could be accomplished without a set of laws, fine (I didn't read this whole thread... maybe something like that was proposed). - Jim #TeamMonique

I agree. I also believe that once you are dead, your image (publicity rights) should belong to the ages... in other words, public domain. Amazingly, in Tennessee, publicity rights last forever... literally. - Mitch Featherston

Thomas -- your statement offers no argument -- just sentiment and bafflegab driven by emotiion. If intellectual property ownership exists at all as a concept there it seems most logical to treat it the same as all other property. Do people need incentive to create art? I think it is one of those have your cake and eat things. Basically you can't. - Brian Sullivan

Copyright ceases to be meaningful when it is allowed to be sold, assigned or passed to abstract entities - corporations with no accountability and a very long lifespan perspective. There are companies out there that do nothing but milk old pieces of music - they are ought of copyright in normal use, but the rights of use in film etc. are still held and charged at a premium. These companies are specialist at snatching those rights from failed projects, estates, and individuals and milking them. - Iphigenie

Intellectual property simply isn't the same as real and tangible property. At least, that's how the law stands now. - Victor Ganata

That's how it works now, but there's a bunch of authors who -more or less respectfully - dissent. This debate is as old as the public domain. - Laurent

Well, wouldn't someone just kill you to make your copyright expire then?? - Dave Hodson

Making intellectual property equivalent to real and tangible property requires state intervention, requires writing new laws. Copyright and patent rights don't exist without the government backing it up. This is clearly not laissez-faire. - Victor Ganata

The best solution is still probably a fixed term. Something like 20 years, regardless of whether the content creator is dead or alive. - Victor Ganata

Dave: you should write a book about this :) - Laurent

I have yet to see a convincing argument that copyright or "intellectual property" should exist at all. - Tanath

Sure it does Brian, my statement does offer an argument. I'm arguing that intellectual property should be treated different than tangible physical property. Ideas are just that. And I don't think that an idea ought to be transferable after someone's death to the detriment of the rest of society. That the benefit of transferring ideas intergenerationally is less than the benefit of allowing ideas to freely flourish unbridled by ownership for society as a whole. - Thomas Hawk

You seem to support the intergenerational transfer of copyrights Brian. Should copyrights be transferable intergenerationally forever if not why not? - Thomas Hawk

I think we should release this thread into the public domain. Because if you don't say otherwise, std. "all rights reserved" death+70 copyright term applies. Some legal minds think you can copyright as little as 5 words strung together. Now, does anyone still think copyright today is reasonable or sensible? - Richard Walker

This is the internet, remember? US law doesn't apply globally. :P And actually, common law copyright was thrown out in the US (see earlier in thread). - Tanath

Tanath, I realize that. But I'm not going to take your word for the second part. That is NOT my understanding of current law. You do not even need the little (c) anymore. - Richard Walker

You don't need the (c) but you DO need to register a work in order to properly pursue infringement cases. - Mitch Featherston

Common law copyright is the notion that copyrighted works ought to be treated the same as real and tangible property, which the Supreme Court repudiated in Wheaton v Peters in 1834. Common law copyright is also not valid in the UK, from what I understand. - Victor Ganata

Yes Mitch, my point. If we do not release this thread into the public domain, someone can steal it and register it. I'm just pointing out how ridiculously things have been stacked against common sense and the "public domain." - Richard Walker

Tanath, the thought is that if copyright and patents didn't exist, no one would ever feel compelled to publish anything. Scientific endeavors would slow down considerably as the flow of information would be hampered, and there'd be no way to get anything peer-reviewed. - Victor Ganata

Victor: How do you justify that claim? - Tanath

Tanath, I can't prove that it's true, but that's the idea behind it. But if there were no protections, I really do think the sharing of research would slow. It would be way too easy to steal someone else's ideas without crediting the originator, and credit for original research is basically the currency of academia. - Victor Ganata

Simple proof of "prior art" would fix that problem. Not that the copyright & patent system works perfectly for that function either. It was Tesla that invented the radio for instance, and only recently that it was acknowledged in court. - Tanath

Thomas -- I don't support any specific amount of time or number of generations a copyright is to apply. Once the principle of intellectual property is established in law as it is in western countries-- it will be subject to variances. Arguing for one length or another then becomes an emotional rather than a factual issue. I am thinking that the abolishing of the principle of intellectual property might be the ultimate solution. - Brian Sullivan

Tanath, it's true that copyrights and patents won't really deter anyone who is intent on stealing someone's idea, but without them, the aggrieved party would have absolutely no ability to attempt to gain redress. - Victor Ganata

Unfortunately, Lessig's supreme court case about copyright terms Eldred v. Ashcroft failed to impress the justices. http://www.wired.com/wired... I'm not very hopeful any of this can be remedied frankly. - Richard Walker

Here is a good TED video "Larry Lessig on laws that choke creativity" http://www.ted.com/talks... - Richard Walker

Brian, I doubt you'd ever see copyright abolished. I do think that someone ought to be able to exclusively earn money from their idea for a limited amount of time. But I think that a reasonable amount of time has been pushed to excessive lengths by big business copyright protectors like Walt Disney. I spent a summer working in Walt Disney's corporate legal department which was eye... more... - Thomas Hawk

I highly recommend Matt Mason's book The Pirate's Dilemma to almost anyone makes (or wants to make) a living from intellectual property http://thepiratesdilemma.com/ - Richard Walker

Victor: I don't think "stealing" is the right word. That applies to physical property where something is lost. What's wrong with letting everyone make use of everyone's ideas? I'd also recommend looking at The Pirate's Dilemma and Lessig's talks. - Tanath

Thomas - I had no idea you spent time in the belly of the beast. That's complete vindication of my suspicions. Thank you! - Richard Walker

I think one of the funny things about this conversation is the constant usage of Disney as the worlds worst offender here. For those of you who didn't know the character of Mickey Mouse was created by Ub Iwerks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) and his rights owned by producer Charles Mintz. You could also say that Ub and Walt co-founded the Disney studios back in the day after... more... - Chris Greene

Yes Chris I mentioned Mickey being ganked in the "background on why Disney deserves derision" - Richard Walker

I just don't agree with the negative press they get. It's a two way street. If I create a character while working for Disney I expect them to own the rights to it. It's the price I pay for a regular paycheck instead of forging out on my own. John Lassiter isn't complaining that he doesn't own the rights to the "Brave Little Toaster" after he was fired from Disney for suggesting that... more... - Chris Greene

A lawyer working for a RIAA file sharing defendant recently made news with a radical challenge - "file sharing IS fair use" - Lessig thinks that's going too far - I'll follow up later if I find anything. - Richard Walker

Chris - you also are confusing copyright and trademarks. - Andrew C (✓)

Chris, I don't have a problem with "work for hire" - but people should be educated on what's theirs and what's the employer's, and what can be negotiated in the employment contract. - Richard Walker

"Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U. S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works."Firstly, copyright is a body of work so Steamboat Willy would be copyright, correct? That lead to the creation of the character and the trademarks that... more... - Chris Greene

No, the design of a character and the name is a trademark...that's a separate issue, however, I find it odd that I have no problems with a company or family being able to protect their trademarks in perpetuity. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Richard - I am a working artist and I am very aware of what rights I have to property (intellectual or otherwise) I create under my current contract. If you are not aware of those rights you shouldn't be working for someone else. - Chris Greene

I'm skipping most of the comments, but tell me if this is right. 30 years after a book is written or movie is made, someone else could redo the work (changed names ect) and it would be legit "recycling" of art? So it's not really about Mickey Mouse, it's about the cartoons containing Mickey? - Heather

Chris - yeah, what Alex said. Steamboat Willy the cartoon is copyrighted. Mickey Mouse, the character appearing in that cartoon, is trademarked. - Andrew C (✓)

Andrew - That's what I said, not Alex. Look above. - Chris Greene

Alex, trademarks have to be defended, where copyrights don't, and trademarks can't be transferred. So it's not that odd, really. - Richard Walker

I'm glad to hear that Chris. Good for you. I suppose you have nothing to say to people contemplating such a line of work. They should just "know", hmm? - Richard Walker

Chris, my point is that copyright has always had a finite period, whereas trademarks can last in perpetuity. So just because the work has passed out of copyright doesn't mean the trademarks that came out of it have to as well. Also, preserving trademarks doesn't mean the associated works' copyright needs to last in perpetuity. And no, I was referring to Alex's comment that starts "No, the design of a character..." - Andrew C (✓)

Well if you;re asking for advice I can put a couple of things out there. First, make sure any original work you create on your own you copyright before you submit to anyone else for distribution marketing etc. As an artists you should know that any work you do while under contract to an employer or as a supplier becomes the property of the employer (or vendor). - Chris Greene

One of the research projects I worked for Disney on (now this goes back almost 20 years ago during college) was to research copyrighted works that had trademarked characters in them. I think copyright at the time might have been 50 or 60 years but trademark was 75 I think. Companies were releasing the oldest mickey mouse films and Disney was trying to argue that even though copyright... more... - Thomas Hawk

That's helpful, Chris. - Richard Walker

Fascinating, Thomas! - Richard Walker

I used to have to send out cease and desist letters also everyday from Disney. They would send them out over the stupidest little things. I remember having to send one out to a guy with a little tree cutting business. A solo practitioner who had put Mickey Mouse on his business card and someone had turned him in. My cease and desist letter would include an acknowledgment form that... more... - Thomas Hawk

Tanath, yeah, maybe stealing is the wrong word. I'm not trying to equate intellectual property with real, tangible property. I'm not sure what a good turn of phrase would be, though. In an environment where only original work can really guarantee your livelihood (i.e., tenure), I just can't imagine too many people wanting to freely share their ideas without any protections. The concept of prior art doesn't really exist without copyright and patent law. - Victor Ganata

That's very true, Victor - I was able to put some stuff in Creative Commons only because of those protections. I can share "non-commercial" rights and keep the other. - Richard Walker

Well, they vote! - Kreg Steppe

I agree! Apparently they can also be sued by the RIAA. - Logan Lindquist

Here's an article that's relevant: http://techdirt.com/article... "Why Virtual Property Doesn't Make Sense" - Tanath

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Why I love FriendFeed: I've gotten to see my friends fall in love, get married, and have babbies. I've tried to comfort friends who've lost those they love, and those battling for their lives. You are awesome people who just happen to post interesting stuff from around the web, not the other way around =)

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Tina, wow. I've never really thought of that way before but you're right: we ARE awesome! - Akiva

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Please note: I said "awesome people", not "awesome sheep"... ;-) - FFing Enigma

[crying while self-shearing] - Akiva

baa? - Tom Horn

Tom: hover over Akiva's name =) - FFing Enigma

Ahh :). I was mostly being silly. Actually, I am mostly being silly. - Tom Horn

LOL! That's ok, because silly is also one of the reasons I love FriendFeed. And since Akiva is self-shearing I suppose he would make it into 'awesome' under the silly clause. - FFing Enigma

As a self-shearing sheep, Akiva has guaranteed employment. - Spidra Webster

well said tina - (jeff)isageek

Tina, FF the awsome people's 'watering hole" :)- we share, just about everything, I think ! - Peter Dawson

That's why I love FriendFeed, too :D - joey

:) - Josh Haley

Ohh thank you :) - Melissa Taylor

Totally agreed, Tina. Just want to thank everyone again for all the well-wishes for Harold's & my engagement. The response went far beyond what I expected :) That's part of why I love this place, too. On Facebook, I barely caused a blip of response (granted, I spend very little time over there). Even the GReader people that just met me were supportive! I love all of you guys! *group hug* - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

You too, Tina! *hugs - Shevonne

Kamilah, I loved that you and Harold both posted the announcement at the same time. It was like your own personal moment of win =D - FFing Enigma

Tina, you nailed what it's all about Girl!! The world is better because we share more, communicate more... we love more... more different people we've come to know, love more deeply those we already know, and know one another to levels that were previously not possible. Aloha! - Arleen Boyd

:) You and FF are the best! - Tracy Benham

Myrna to Myrna's feed, Foods, friendf00d

The Rubix Cubewich (via http://friendfeed.com/foods...) cute idea

August 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Very interesting :-) *now me thinks: how to make it without meat*...hm...? ;-) - Hanna Wiszniewska

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more different cheeses, but please please do'nt ruin the beauty of it with *shudders* tofu.. - Rasmus Lauridsen

you can also add more colours with some vegetable (spinach, potato, peppers, etc.) frittata/omelette cubes. The original is really nice & yummy though :-> - Stefaniav

You could make that with tofu or jello too. - Adrian

The cubes are perfect, I'm still astonished - Stefaniav

Thanks for the suggestion Adrian :-) - Hanna Wiszniewska

Hanna, what about switching meat for tempeh? Wonder if Rasmus shudders from tempeh lol but anyway, its your cubewich to do with it what you want. :))) - Myrna

beautiful - sorina_gt

Very classy. I could spend hours rearraging the cubes. Hey! New dieting idea. - Bob

I can help solve this puzzle! *pulls all the ham pieces out* - Daynah

LOL Daynah, what about the other meat. It has the chemical preservatives...ugly causes cancer. And what to put instead? - Myrna

Never tried Tempeh, I might have to go hunting for it. Anyone know a store in Denmark that carries it? - Rasmus Lauridsen

Try an Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai market. - Bob from email

Awesome! - Mitchell Tsai

Do I detect some Spam in that? - Arleen Boyd

Rasmus, you know what tempeh is, yes? Of course you have health food stores? - Myrna

Yeah I wikipedia'd it :-P So yeah I'll have to try the local health food stores - Rasmus Lauridsen

رونوشت به خودم :) - 1Fathi

Great idea! I would love to make this with vegetables!! I don't now how though:) - Konstantina (exei gousto)

or with fruits?.. - RussianSeason

Konstantina, I can think of boiled sweet potatoes and pumpkin as some of the vegetables that can be cut in such cubes O_o also carrots maybe... and definitely more cheese. plus some mangoes?.. - RussianSeason

Louis Gray

I used to always hide Tweets unless they had likes or comments. Today I unhid them in FriendFeed. Let the noise ensue.

July 11, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Why did I do this? Because I was missing the occasional nugget from people I like hearing from. Now, we'll see if this helps or hurts. - Louis Gray

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Overall, I've enjoyed the random bits of fun that pop in from the noise by not hiding anything. I kind of dig letting all the information just wash over me. - Jonathan Hardesty

I've gone back and forth over it but I eventually decided to let tweets in and then began permanently hiding the irritating ones. After a little tweaking, it ended up being a better experience for me. I've actually quit Twitter entirely now thanks to some suggestions from Johnny Worthington: I subscribe to a feed of any @replies I get and pipe them into FriendFeed's IM alerts so I can respond to them if I want to. - Akiva

i'll give it a shot... ;) I had 14 hidden entries on my home page feed, now none. We'll see how it goes. #IBlameLouisUnhidingInFriendFeed - Nathan Chase

I wish you luck, Nathan. - Louis Gray

I let the tweets stay in. Well over half are @ replies which are nonsensical out of context, but there is the occasional gem. Unfortunately most of the time if I comment on the gem, the original tweeter never responds the comment. There are a largish number of neglected friendfeed accounts. - DGentry

Well I had them hidden, had not even been allowing my own to show, but after a conversation with, ahem, someone else, I changed my tune. Then I started paying attention to others twitters too! - Sheryl

I let them stay in as well. Things go by quick enough they don't bother me. Plus the top stuff moves to the top naturally. That's the beauty of ff! - Ronald S from iPhone

I recognize that intelligent comments worthy of discussion can be tweeted by people who don't wish to type (or in my case, since I use a Tablet PC, write) things twice. This is why I have never automatically hidden tweets. - MiniMage

Is there really a difference between a tweet and native FriendFeed post? - Hutch Carpenter

:0 - chaz2b

Hutch, there is typically a massive difference between a tweet and a native FriendFeed post. In this example, there is less, but native FriendFeed posts are geared toward conversation starting, while Twitter updates are for conversation ending. FriendFeed native posts also contain images, and show the person is here and active on the site, not just broadcasting. - Louis Gray

sounds like some good information. - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa from IM

Guess it depends on the person if they're doin' some conversation ending. Do they end tweets with kthxbai? Glad you're not doing a blanket hide on tweets though. There's some good stuff out there. - Hutch Carpenter

I use Twitter as a conversation starter: I guess I'm doing it wrong. I'm not convinced that the difference between Twitter and FriendFeed posts is that massive now: with the removal of service icons, it's very hard to tell which is a regular FriendFeed post and which came from Twitter, and a lot of people don't bother putting in pictures or other rich media with their native FriendFeed posts anymore. - Mark Trapp

same thing here. should be a default in friendfeed - Ouriel Ohayon

Mark - those are good points. The @reply tweets can be annoying, but generally there isn't a massive difference between a tweet and native post. Is there an option to not see @replies? - Hutch Carpenter

Not currently, but people are always requesting it in FriendFeed Feedback. I bet you could use a saved search to filter out @replies. Edit: never mind, it looks like searching for @ either is ignored or breaks search. That stinks. - Mark Trapp

@Louis: I'd actually like to start conversations with my tweets. Doesn't really happen, though. - MiniMage

MiniMage stole my thunder. Although, I am more and more starting the conversation from Friendfeed and then bouncing to Twitter and back to Friendfeed. - Mathew A. Koeneker

And so it begins... FriendFeed will truly compete with Twitter! When Robert Scoble told me I shouldn't turn off my Twitter interface... I hesitated and often did, until last week. Hope I don't drive everyone here crazy! Big Mahalo for support and encouragement on FriendFeed! (and Louis For God's Sake... show me your web interface!) - Arleen Boyd

Arleen, how can I show you my Web interface? You mean lists and what friends are where? What I use to find the best data? - Louis Gray

Yay! Twitter is really my only way to post in FF these days. Once school is done, you can re-hide Twitter, Louis. ;-) - Lisa | #TeamMonique

Wondering how to hide tweets directly in Twitter...I use Twitter's web interface (not third-party interfaces) most of the time... Anyone know how? - Aviva Gabriel

Leo Laporte

I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...

August 11, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives - Jonathan Hardesty

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HAHAHAHAHA.... - David from IM

Haha. ROFL - Roberto Bonini

is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better? - Craig Shipp

I'm with you Leo. - Oracio

It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway) - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people. - Dan Lessard

I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last. - Ken Bauer

And we keep following Leo all over the place! - Robert Scoble

When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken? - Nate Pilling

so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams) - abdellah

Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner! - Elizabeth K. Barone

Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service. - Ken Sheppardson

But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert? - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making. - Bill Rodman

Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means! - Matt Cassem

I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments - Mark

Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me. - Fleagle

Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in. - Leo Laporte

And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet. - Leo Laporte

Yet being the operative word..... - Roberto Bonini

sounds like a country song to me - gavin

As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts? - Craig B.

I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible. - Louis Gray

The only way to have control is to use your own URL - Craig Shipp

Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =) - Cynthia Yildirim

what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out. - Jordan Brock from BuddyFeed

What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me. - Craig B.

And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting! - Jacque from m.ctor.org

yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them - Thomas Power

Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for. - Rachel R.

Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;) - Daynah

Play this thread off, keyboard cat. - Fleagle

You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo. - Dave Winer

Screw you, Friendfeed! - Andrew Leahey

Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :) - Mrinal Desai

I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.) - oliver gassner

Love Stinks. - shelter watch

Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated." - Randy Shapiro

Damn thats complicated - drmacintosh

Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them... - Steven McGurn

I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later! - Amy Flynn

very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one - Bryce Campbell

Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again! - Arleen Boyd

Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening. - Anthony Marco

Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P - Sam Ehsan

Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior. - Paul Chaney

lmfao, its so true leo, so true! - Derek Bender

Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too! - Susan Beebe from iPhone

Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"... - Dennis Jernberg

And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL - Technogran

I think it's back to the TWiT Army! - Paul Salzman

It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A. - Steve de Mena

it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative. - Denise Young

the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-) - Thomas Lee

Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho. - Rick Cogley

Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good! - Kenneth Reitz

No mention of Microsoft Vine? - Robert MacEwan

Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better?? - Craig Shipp

Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side. - John Flinchbaugh from IM

Social Networks are sluts? - TheDiva Rockin

It sure is. - Jason Hill

I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go. - DogPatch

Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog... - Kenneth Reitz

It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;) - Shawn Zehnder Rossi

More like "As the worm churns" - Houseofmax

한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :] - HealingBrush

One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time... - Aviva Gabriel

Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit... more... - Jan Simmonds

I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man". - Molly Song ;)

@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be... more... - Lindsay

@Jan You're an asshat. - Ian Wright from BuddyFeed

leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better. - Casey Petersen

Haiku Laporte - Outsanity

that was cute! :O) - Jeanne

@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you! - Jan Simmonds

Maybe they're just not that into you. - Elizabeth Johnson

Wait... who's on first? - Michael Rosenau

Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce - Gary Purvis

wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues! - Justin Bradshaw

there there, Shawny's here... - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

Paul Buchheit

After signing the papers :)

August 10, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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What's with the fists, Paul? :) - April Buchheit

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congrats Paul - Zee.

I thought it would make a funny picture April. - Paul Buchheit

Secret backyard meetings FTW. :) - EricaJoy

What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:) - Tomas Remotigue

Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess. - Paul Buchheit

Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up? - Andy Bakun

American big business such a formal affair - Robert Higgins

Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :) - Brian Chang

Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with. - Jesse Stay

Must have been exciting, congrats. - sean percival

Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!! - Mel Buckpitt

Congrats to you guys! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC

Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :) - Susan Beebe

:-( - Jim #TeamMonique

Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal? - Mitchell

Mitch, feel free to use the photos. - Paul Buchheit

where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

SWEET!!! Congratulations! - Chad Lester

...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this. - .LAG liked that

Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials! - Josh Haley from iPhone

Congrats and best wishes for the future. - Jeff Stannard

For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :) - Rodrigo Jaroszewski

FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money! - blackChinahand

I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too. - Drea Lester

Congrats! - CG

Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations. - Ashish

LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. -> - Alex Schleber

congratulations! keep the innovation coming... - ozlubling

VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :) - Charlie Anzman

Congratulations to you and your team. - Maria Niles

just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward! - xxx xxxxx

Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF. - Eric Johnson

Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :) - Fenn

Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :) - Pete D

Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made? - seman

I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news - Nayan

Congratulations! - Made Adi

++Mark - David Cook

Awesome! Congratulations! - michael silverton

hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!! - K.D.

+Lindsey - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders" - Brad Williamson

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters. - Jay Cuthrell

I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge? - Jesse Stay

Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they? - Jesse Stay

Congratulations to all of you!! - Steve de Mena

The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers. - Steve Gillmor

Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en... - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF. - Martha

We should start a PhotoShop meme on this. - Ben Hanten

Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air. - Ben Hanten

++Ben - David Cook

Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :) - Chris Loft

Congrats! The hard work paid off - Becca

Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow. - Keith Pelczarski

http://friendfeed.com/against... - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Nicely put, guruvan. - Anne Bouey

Congratulations - Surprisingly Monstrous

@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell. - Shane Gibbons

LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done. - Darius Dunlap

This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed. - Colide81 (James) from iPhone

Grats. :) - Joshua Schnell

Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =( - FFing Enigma

Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all. - Christian Burns from iPhone

Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive! - RateBrain

Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne? - Shane

Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now ! - Mike Schmidt

Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely. - Ovidiu Predescu

Enjoy! - Paul Mayne

NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out - Ric Johnson

Congratulations! :) - İdris Cin

hayırlı olsun - Sinan İŞLER

congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move. - raheel naqvi

Congratulations guys :) - Yalcin Parmaksiz

Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!! - Mohamed J

Hayırlı işler... - Onur Selek

Congratulations gentlemen! - Mutimba

Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right". - Paola Bonomo

shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB. - AlpB.

Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave. - Robert Scoble

Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again... - Eran Kampf from iPhone

cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean! - Atif UNALDI

Great vibe :) - Sharel from FriendFeed API Example

@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM - AlpB.

But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode. - Rasmus Lauridsen

OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money. - AlpB.

Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about... - Clifford Kennedy

@Clifford, haha LOL. - AlpB.

Bilseydik biz alırdık :) - Hamdi Yaman

wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place - MobilAdam

very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva - Sangeeta Narayan

valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli.. - Mücahit Yılmaz

Who took the pic? - Marco Massarotto from iPhone

@MobilAdam + 1. - AlpB.

@Mücahit +1 :D - Hamdi Yaman

böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin - Fatih Hayrioğlu

Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler? - mustafa can

Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over". - özlem yetis - elvedaofis

bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim - MobilAdam

Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor... - Zekeriya Pehlivan

tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!! - muratt

Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46... - ibrahim özdemir

Congratulations! :) - Ruben Sanchez

Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :) - Olcayto Cengiz

Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF. - frankiecarl

Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time. - FFing Enigma

@Tina ++++ - Shevonne

wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple - Thomas Power

MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym - Joe Dawson

Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still. - Robert Schultz

Congratulations, Paul! - Bill Sodeman

Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future. - David Jagger

this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys! - Jason Pollock

congratulations guys! - Liam Daly

congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;) - Valentina*

L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool? - Giulia B.

"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!" - Simon May

Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team. - Arleen Boyd

congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration! - Katy Barrilleaux

We better run away! - Constantine Nicolaou

Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties. - Volkan Özçelik

the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'. - Jessie

eew, that causes diseases - Jim Norris

congrats Paul & evereyone ! - Thomas Mader

Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - j1m

CHA CHING!!!!! - sofarsoShawn ~presque...

congrats guys - well done!!! - Gerd Leonhard

Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns - frank burns

The worst day for us, but ultimately not the end, many of us thought. - Jimminy IS Everybody

Scoble, Alex Scoble

Is it wrong for me to feel a certain sense of betrayal? I didn't spend all my time here making connections, adding in interesting content and trying to get friends to join so that friendfeed would get acquired by Facebook.

August 10, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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I guess I should be glad that I made a bunch of new friends here and have learned a lot, but I just wish that the guys at friendfeed hadn't sold out to a company that doesn't really need what friendfeed has. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

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I think betrayal is the word of the day around here. - Akiva

Meh - Andrew Roche

Whatever, Chris, I'm not amused. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

@Alex: I completely agree... and I haven't been and won't ever be on Facebook... - Harold

not wrong at all. I actually feel a little hurt. - Jim #TeamMonique

Yeah, I think betrayed is a good description... - Lindsay

I guess we are all betrayed - in certain terms.. but FB should have done its market research before it got this property. Most of the USERS are not happy with FB type of connections or that property , so we left and looked for something better, it was FF. Now a new hunt will begin ! - Peter Dawson

I think a lot of us feel betrayed. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood

What did you do it for then? - George F. Snell III

I think it's too soon to feel betrayed. This interview made me feel a lot better about the whole deal: http://bit.ly/PReef - Adam Reyher from Alert Thingy

actually, you kinda did. if users like you didn't create so much value, Facebook wouldn't have acquired (notwithstanding feelings of betrayal). - jeffscott

Yeah. That's excatly how I feel. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Throws a sheep at Alex... Yeah, that wasn't much fun. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

I share your sentiments in many ways. I have been proud to tell others who had no idea that FF existed how good it is (lets hope not was!) Lets hope they keep the spirit alive. By the way the minute I see any target 'phorm' style advertising, I am off to find a new up and coming. I wont run to Tumblr yet but I do have one foot in already, just in case. - Kevin J Hatton

Feeling a bit of betrayal, or unhappiness atleast. Have a Facebook account but rarely use it since it's a walled garden. Preferred Friendfeed for better technology, organization, but even more so it's openness! - LonelyBob

I don't give 2 cents if that's wrong or not but I feel betrayed. - vijay

Peter, I doubt FB gives a crap about FF users. FB wanted the talent that worked at FF, not the product. - Jeff P. Henderson

I agree with Cecily that betrayal is a strong word. I have always understood that FriendFeed is a free service, thus I can't claim control over it. Though, really, I wonder what s going to happen to my thousands of likes, comments, posts, etc. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

:-) + :-( - Majento

Completely concur with you Alex. Just goes to show maybe there is room for another platform... - Arleen Boyd

As I said elsewhere, this was a talent + buzz acquisition. I sorta wish I could download my FF history and host it on my own server with SweetCron or something. - Anthony Citrano

+1 Alex. EndFeed's the word... well, how about everybody grieves for 5 minutes, then gets the search for greener pastures under way. There was plenty to be improved about FriendFeed (been saying that since well before this announcement), so I just hope that someone else has the databasing/real-time wherewithal to build something like this, improved. - Alex Schleber

Facebook doesn't even give a crap about their own users - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Do any of these sites give a crap though Alex? I understand what you are saying and how it makes you feel this way, but I realised a long time ago.. they are ALL businesses and the bottom line is NO they don't give a crap... because they are NOT depending on you to be ok.. - Rob Sellen :o)

friendfeed at least acted as though they gave a crap...at least until today. And there's nothing about being a business that says "crapping on your customers is OK". Business is business does not equal "screw your customers to make a buck". - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

That and stunned. Lately I've been describing Friendfeed to the uninitiated as "a facebook without all the crap." Unfortunately, it looks like now it'll just be integrated into all the crap, if kept at all. That said, congratulations to the FF team - this is a big win for them and they deserve a lot of kudos. I look forward to the web apps they come up with in the future. - Chris Rogers

"Is it wrong for me to feel a certain sense of betrayal?" - in an emotional sense, no. In a literal sense, yes, unless you can show me where FriendFeed made a commitment to you that they'd never change in a way that didn't fit your ideals for the service. - Edward Coffey

i'm just hoping they will keep friendfeed separate and use it as a testing ground for new features. - Edgar Rodríguez

They made a commitment to us when they built a service that wasn't called Facebook or Twitter. They made a commitment to us when they listened to our feedback and participated in our feeds. They made a commitment to us with their actions. A commitment that has been forever shattered with their deal with the internet equivalent of the devil. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Lindsey is right.. the thing is Alex... friendfeed is STILL here... ;o) YOU are still here... - Rob Sellen :o)

Not for long, Rob. I give friendfeed a year tops. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

And forget about any improvements to the site. You know that the team will be much too busy trying to figure out what the next iteration of Facebook should look like. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I can empathize with these sentiments, but Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Yep , definitely a sense of foreboding there ... "for the time being" - Tom Horn

why? friendfeed.com is not going anywhere is it... no reason this place couldn't stay.. what if they LOCKED friendfeed users in now.. said.. we WILL reward you users for helping us, testing things for us etc... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob...did you not notice who bought them? Facebook is known for doing dick for their users. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I'm sure FF is going away one way or another; there's no way that the combined company is going to keep developing full steam ahead on both products. Is it wrong to feel betrayed? I don't know. I don't personally feel betrayed, but I guess I'm not nearly as invested in FF as you and others are. I do think the end result may be something positive though; the ability to interact with the larger FB community on this level is something that could be truly wonderful. Then again, it might just end in tears... - Tristan Seligmann

"...internet equivalent of the devil" - ohh-kayy...*backs away slowly* - Edward Coffey

betrayal isn't the word i feel. it's just business. i do agree with Anthony Citrano: I wonder if there's a way to pull all of my stuff out of FF and put it on my own machine. the year I've spent here, and the 2+ years on Twitter and FB, have been to the detrimiment of my own writing and content creation. The thing about all social media is they depend on users to fill their cyber-vessels with content, and then they make a living off of that...but it's pretty difficult for you to reclaim your "stuff" later. - .LAG liked that

If Google's motto is "do no evil" then Facebook's motto is "do whatever we want to our customers, even when it makes absolutely no sense"...yeah, I'd consider that to be bordering on evil. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

I did Alex.. Facebook sucks in many ways, they treat users like shit... BUT does this deal mean the actual end of frienfeed.com < the domain etc... what about if this place is used like a testing place and kept here? who knows? - Rob Sellen :o)

Ironic that! ToS & privacy & UCG & bandwidth & yet how much of that can be measured without actuarial measurements of packet flow? Not surprised based on much of the commentary the past 18 months. Attribution & authenticity matters. - Scott Moskowitz from iPhone

I think betrayal is appropriate - the FB community is NOT the FF community. Even if they make it better, or build something completely new, they will at some point shut down or gut what they have here. - Jennifer Dittrich

As long as my stuff is still indexed, I don't really care. I love Facebook - and I love watching my real friends interact with my Internet friends. :) - Mona Nomura

FWIW TXT is a bigger "content" biz than music, movies, games combined ... Yet this was not a predictable exit? Come on ... Said many times - what is a fair split for UCG & those that skim the packet flow? - Scott Moskowitz from iPhone

Betrayal is definitely appropriate. So is apprehension and a little bit of anger. - Mike Lewis

I wouldn't worry about Facebook integrating your FriendFeed content into Facebook; that doesn't seem very likely to me. - Tristan Seligmann

I feel you, Alex, and dread what is to come. But at the same time, seeing the reported terms of the deal, I don't think I would have turned it down either. - Michael W. May

Alex - Think you'd have to agree (despite the fact we don't know everything) that they were smart. On the other hand, it's pretty obvious you're not alone in your sentiments (Funny - posted this to Robert's stream first by boo-boo :) - Charlie Anzman

Alex, I feel your pain - but someone was going to acquire FriendFeed. It was inevitable. I'm just glad Facebook didn't buy Twitter. - Bill Sodeman

I would rather that Google bought friendfeed and Facebook acquired Twitter. That would have been justice. This...this is a travesty. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

So would I alex..but it never happened.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Do you think Microsoft finish the job and eat Facebook? - τorƍue

:( - Martha

pea brings up an interesting point - pseudonymity is allowed by FF, disallowed by Facebook.And what of the FF groups? - Richard Walker

τorƍue, or worse - Oracle buying out Facebook. hehe - imabonehead

follow the money - Steve Cleary

I love the way FriendFeed works, I hate Facebook interfaces. I wish there was another FriendFeed-like service to jump to. - Amit Morson

I've never found Facebook to be intuitive, and I just enjoyed the manner of connecting here. Not sure what to feel now. - Rick Cogley

I don't think it's wrong to feel betrayed. If Facebook bought Twitter, honestly I would feel the same way. I think they're going to shutter the store here, which is kind of sad, but we'll see.... - matt singley

My fears are threefold. I fear unavoidable unwanted integration. I fear the addition of the awful Facebook TOS, and I fear the loss of the community. That last one is the big one. - Joe "Funkasaurus" Pierce

Joe, perhaps FB may change their TOS... - Bill Sodeman

my sense of betrayal is so strong that I made this --->- http://bit.ly/A0jWq - vijay

It's all about the money, It's all about the dum dum didudumdum, I don't think it's funny... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Bill, that is a nice thought but it is very doubtful. It would solve a lot of the problem I have with them if they did though. I seriously just don't want to lose the awesome community that has built up here. I mean without FF how would I keep up with Alex, its not like I live in the same town....oh wait /stalkermodeactivate! - Joe "Funkasaurus" Pierce

If you find any decent asylum, Ryo, please check a room for me, as well, please. - Zackatoustra from email

Guess we didn't read the Terms of Service carefully enough. :-( - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

I wish it was Twitter, Google, even Yahoo but not Facebook. - Jacque

Would you have not spent all the time here (etc...) if you were told that this is a start-up business and could get acquired at any time? Or could run out of money and shut down at any time? At least you had a chance to make the connections and share/consume that content...for free. Looks like you're better off than you were before you joined, no? - Mohamed J

Yes, that's probably an accurate way to describe it, a sense of betrayal. Of course, we're not paying money to use this good service though we are paying time and good will, so it can be argued I suppose that FF did not betray us. I'm feeling upset myself, because I have never liked FB much. I did not want to be on there but got invited by old friends. I don't like the walled garden... more... - Rick Cogley

Rick: +1 - imabonehead

I am agree :( - Janice

To Alex Schleber: if you build it, we will come. Seriously, what Rick Cogley said too - I love that I can interact with almost anyone, not just people I'd interact with anyway and, in my case, have known forever. I love that it's like a small, really fun cocktail party with your friends, some of their friends, and a few strangers - as opposed to a convention (or, for me, a high school reunion!). Sad. - Amy℠

It's not wrong to feel betrayed, but everyone has their price - sadly. - David Jagger

Yeah, Claude, it's definitely a trust thing. - Rick Cogley

I've examined the emotional reaction of Alex (and others) to the announcement http://empoprise-bi.blogspot.com/2009... - John E. Bredehoft

Robert Scoble

Twitter is down. Oh, what will the SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts do?

August 6, 2009 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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Come to FF! - Simon Wicks

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Give Friendfeed a shot? - Rubin Sfadj

Hopefully they don't come to FriendFeed :) - Robert J Taylor

Hang out on FF - Roberto Bonini

they will spam friendfeed instead? - Denis

They are so freeeking out. - SolidSmack

I couldn't tweet about it, so I told my wife instead. - Patrick Lightbody

Big ups to the FriendFeed massive! - Josette

I tried retweeting that. *sigh* - Andy McIlwain

Call them to join friendfeed, and make - Madhav Tripathi

Hopefully FF won't get killed by the Tweeters flocking over here. - phil baumann

ok.. here ya go..twitter being down has forced me here. Haven;t tried FF yet so... - cheapsuits

just like ya possibly twiddle their thumbs... - Baba

I suspect the bots will rejoice.... - walidmREALTOR

Let's see where these so-called "social media experts" go to fill the void of Twitter. - Christian

I can't open twitzap.com - ybs

Can FF servers manage such a massive movement? - Samuel Goëta

since bots supply at least 25% of Twitter traffic, should we feel the worst for them right now? - Kevin Norman

write a post about twitter being down as a threat to humanity, may be?:) - Nikos Anagnostou

Twitter down... can't post on Facebook,,. so it's FriendFeed! - carrotmadman6

So your're not responsible for that ? Strange... :-) - Enikao

lay on the floor and spin in circles - SolidSmack

Maybe the SocMedExperts will go back to Plurk since Scoble likes Friendfeed. :) - Jay Gilmore

thank God, now we can get back to work - E.P. Scott

if they are the experts they claim to be then they should be here! - Mark V. Fusco

Facebook seems frakked too. - Gregg Le Blanc

I get tweet trough tweetdeck... - Giorgio

I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before - cheapsuits

I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-) - Keith Barrett

but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo - Rachel Clarke

Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some - Robert J Taylor

I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today. - Timothy Federwitz

yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working.. - Giorgio

I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down - Keith Barrett

Maybe read a book for a change? - Yiorgos Adamopoulos

Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up. - MikeAmundsen

I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter - frank barry

They'll comment on it, much like I just did. - Marlin Forbes

Man imagine if this had happened on #followfriday... - Rob Paller

Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out - Rachel Clarke

Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time - Robert Littlejohn

Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues? - Chris Nadeau

twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :) - Ata İsmet Özçelik

They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down - Didier Girard

No actually the blog: http://status.twitter.com/ ("We are determining the cause and will provide an update shortly.") - Patrick Mackaaij

Show up here I'm thinking. :-) - Dion Hinchcliffe

Huge exodus to FF! - akihito

We will start feeding friends and keeping up our identi.ca 's - JuneM

What's been the longest twitter outage on record thus far? - Dusty Edenfield

hmm at least they found a solution with a blog :) - Ata İsmet Özçelik

I don't understand why you maintain an account when you have such contempt for Twitter & those who use it. - Liz

they will cry in their soup - Bobby Griffith

holiday - Ronald

Well Robert, where will you go when they all come here? - Tokyo Dan from iPhone

it's back up. made ya look - Kevin Norman

Strangely, search.twitter.com is up. - Marlin Forbes

Tokyo: I already have a private group setup. Sort of like a bomb shelter in case the rats take over. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

i noticed that twitter is down... anyone know how facebook is ssOOO slow 2...???? - Sebastiaan van den Akker

Just noticed it... - k00pa

twitter outage and news of the PubSubHubbub feature in Google Reader (http://is.gd/24YvH) make FF look pretty good right now. - Dusty Edenfield

friendfeed is having some issues but for the most part is still up and going :) - (jeff)isageek

find another medium such as friendfeed ;). - rick

Roger, Mr. Scoble! - akihito

@Sebastian they connected somehow... ahhh scary :) - Dani Martínez

good. so not the only one with issues with FB.. wel atleast is FF is going strong.. - Sebastiaan van den Akker

what we all are going to do??? =) but if seriously i remember this video on youtube - trouble with twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - obolonskyi

They will all sit in their chair and stare at their monitor! - Gabe Diaz

@Dani, who knows... the might merge or something... explain the strange twitter is pulling fb down 2.. - Sebastiaan van den Akker

Did Scoble bring Twitter and FB down as he unfollowed everyone ? winks -) - Del_

This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations.. - Joe Magennis

I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in. - Jeff Stannard

Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today? - K.N. Ajit Narayan

...and who wins? FF great :) - Dani Martínez

Was just able to post to Facebook but took several tries. Wow. FF FTW! - Tom Guarriello

so!! - abdellah

The smart ones will go to FriendFeed ;) - Helene

The spammers should go to MySpace... - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Tweeple will come to FriendFeed! - LauraLee Dooley

That's why I joined FF a while back. Then I found all the useful features- and the bonus is having Scoble here to show the way. - Brenda Young

No, the smart ones are ALREADY on FriendFeed :) - Susan Beebe

and? - abdellah

@obolonskyi nice. vid.. ROFL... never seen it before... - Sebastiaan van den Akker

GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it-- - cheapsuits

What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter. - Tad Chef

This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing! - Dan

Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo! - travispuk

I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;) - Martin Lindeskog

FF FTW - Eran Even-Kesef

Let's see how well Friendfeed handles this Twitter outage :) - Rene Silva

Re previous comment of mine, 'Nooooooo!' was for CNBC being right, not that twitter is dead. ;) - travispuk

life goes on - Eran Even-Kesef

Hey don't tell anyone about this FF thing, its our little secret - Jeff Wiant

Twitter better be back up by the time Rick Sanchez is on CNN this afternoon or he won't know what to talk about ;) - cjcubs

telnet 80 twitter.com ? - Gordon Joly

@gordon wont work - k00pa

FF was down for me for about 10 min just now. - Dusty Edenfield

Blogger's having some trouble as well - Crispin Heath

No address associated with nodename (twitter.com) - Gordon Joly

If friend feed ever gets as popular as twitter were will everyone go to to avoid the popular crowd? - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Panic? - Dean Clark

@scobleizer I'm seeing issues with twitter and facebook. Social website attack? - Michael Fierro

Panic? Aren't we all used to this already? :) - Sasha Kovaliov

if this is the North Koreans with a coordinated attack I WILL laugh - cheapsuits

@scobleizer I'm seeing issues with twitter and facebook. Social website attack? - Michael Fierro

Robert, please follow back 106,000 and everything will be ok))) joke =) - obolonskyi

I can not play 140mafia!!! This sucks sooooo bad :( - Sam Beckett

Twitter outage is causing issues with both facebook and friendfeed. I guess we know where everyone is going instead of twitter. - April Russo

facebook? no way :) - Sasha Kovaliov

Twitter being down is a a relief to me this morning! Now I can stay OFF it rather than fitting it into every 30 second change of task! n - Arleen Boyd

at this rate they will have to start sending out junk mail via the post office again... oh the humanity - Terry Bruce

Nothing seems to work, I think it will be the Friend Feed greatest traffic boost ever - Jacob Kobi Gamliel

guys, is it Ddos attack? or smth like that? as I understand twitter is hosting somewhere and this datacenter is down. am i right? - obolonskyi

FriendFeed traffic is rocking now... - Jacob Kobi Gamliel

social media "experts" might need to actually find other work to do. - Luis Sandoval

thanks God, Youtube is working - obolonskyi

More info needed. Where is there an alternate feed to real time news? - SenderOK

seems unlikely I'll do anything productive in the interim - WarLord

http://theloopzilla.blogspot.com/2007... - Gordon Joly

Hopefully they will move to FF :) - Martynas

it could be ff provocation - obolonskyi

I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together - Jeff Wiant

was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it. - Ryan Cummins

Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol - Justin Long

friendfeed rules! - Kevin Dolan

twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless. - travispuk

Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something? - Sam Harrelson from IM

Thank goodness FF is still working. :) - 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C. from twhirl

http://status.twitter.com/post... - Martin Lindeskog

Friendfeed + Facebook :) - Rafa Lacerda

http://whentwitterisdown.com/ - Josette

From status.twitter.com: "Site is down 1 hour ago. We are determining the cause and will provide an update shortly." - Martin Lindeskog

Touché Robert, Touché - Jeff Woelker from twhirl

"We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly." from Twitter Status - Kurt Jarchow

North Koreans I tell ya.... - cheapsuits

took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well - A Zmaj

Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter? - Mike Gargano

Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :) - Graham Bunting

Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter? - Augie Ray

Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-) - Julie Barrett from twhirl

This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down. - Melanie Reed

Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now. - 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C. from twhirl

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com - Martin Lindeskog

I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages. - Timothy Federwitz from Alert Thingy

Twitter is Down....panic..run.,,SOS! - Veetrag

What will they do? Use FriendFeed! - Chuck Huckaby

It's official. Twitter's problem is a DoS attack per twitter/status. - Roger Jennings

http://status.twitter.com/ - giuny

shhhh they'll come here - andy brudtkuhl

The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day! - Travis Owen

is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn - lisa coultrup

Maybe Ev's interview on the BBC last night didn't go down well with the Iranians! - Andrew from iPod

Status Blog says "We are defending against a denial-of-service attack." Mmmm... http://status.twitter.com/post... - akihito

Friendfeed it is then. - Aren Grimshaw

Now, It's up! - Martin Sliacky

Posterous isn't working properly either, at least for me. - Steven Melfi

What does DoS mean? - Kimberle Kelly

denial of service - Justin Long

I meant what does denial of service mean? (dumb blonde here sorry) - Kimberle Kelly

If it's true..or is it propaganda? - Alex Schleber

It's down, again. - Martin Sliacky

Thank you :o) - Kimberle Kelly

Ev coming onto the BBC last night and saying that they were asked by the US Goverment to keep Twitter up and running during the Iranian protests cannot have gone down well in Tehran! - Andrew from iPod

DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan... - Ryan Cummins

now having trouble getting to Friendfeed - Justin Long

look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge))) - obolonskyi

maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF - Jay Shapiro from BuddyFeed

some government is DDOS'ing the real-time internet to cover up something :-) http://leeprovoost.posterous.com/the-twi... - Lee Provoost

hmmm - abdellah

As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see! - Jordi Soler

SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts. - Michele Lorito-Chase

@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-) - Filippo Ronco

Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation??? - obolonskyi

@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p - Lee Provoost

I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful. - Parvez Halim

@Lee this is true too :-) - Filippo Ronco

@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D - Lee Provoost

what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =( - obolonskyi

@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL)) - obolonskyi

Go back to MySpace? - Juliana

The twitter bots are rebelling - Charles

@Flynn, go check out this Greasemonkey script, solves it: http://userscripts.org/scripts... - Alex Schleber

Come here and moan about it! - Kami Huyse

Read post on 100k unfollow - I love how people are commenting and blaming Twitter being down on that! lol - Helene

AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess.. - Alex Schleber

AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber " - Alex Schleber

Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p - Marco ILLESCAS from iPhone

I hope everyone will be ok...lol - April Mendez

Hey, can I hang out here on FF while my Twitter is down :) - Kevin Krewell

Welcome to FF Kevin! You can tweet from here too! - Arleen Boyd

Thanks Arleen. I hear all the kool kids hang out here now - like Scoble and you! - Kevin Krewell

I'm glad I joined FF yesterday, great timing! - CodeSamurai

I also micro-blog or create my own Twitter, but in more than 140 characters. - polou/indigo_bow

FF and Tumblr are working fine! :-) - Tim Moore

A good FF day- new familiar faces on this thread. - E-Advocate Network

What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media. - Sebastian

Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!) - Arleen Boyd

Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best. - Gord McLeod

Agreed. - Greg

Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users. - Sebastian

Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss. - Sebastian

+1 Sebastian - Bill Sodeman

I'm hung up on hop 12! - bev

I love FF! - John Giglio

come to Friend Feed? Not - Rob Cairns

You must be dying of laughter now Robert! - Arleen Boyd

Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time. - Louis Trapani

Louis: that is true. I pissed the bots off. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc... - Kirsten Mitchell from iPhone

Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :) - Geer

Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO - Mitchell Tsai

There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL - RetiredTeacherD

Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P - David Kettler

Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry! - Chaotic Five

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