very good :-) (but ... can't wait when frf has an ability to add an arbitrary service (user-generated catalog of services available))
- Nikolay Samokhvalov
what about the facebook status updates? I hope that's coming...
- Rahul Das
Nice work with the status, I would like to see DailyMugshot introduced!
- Joe Dawson
Great! Just added identi.ca; configuring brightkite too.
- Parth Awasthi
Paul, given Identi.ca uses the Twitter API it would be nice if we could respond via Identi.ca in the same way you can with Tweets. I presume implementing it wouldn't be overly hard (where as Plurk of course is another matter)
- Duncan Riley
@Rahul FB status would be cool, but there is no public RSS feed. There is a feed, but it requires a key, which would require you to type in your username/password.
- Hao Chen
@Duncan +1. i was thinking the same thing
- Trent Olson
Integrated identi.ca via RSS feed before. OK, now it's there but it's not that big deal to me.
- Ansgar Wollnik
Thanks for the identi.ca support ... Excellent work !
- Christian Farley
AWESOME!! Ok, I might be using Identi.ca again!!! Yippee! Thanks FF team!!
- Susan Beebe
Why are the updates called Dents, I'll Dent you later :S
- Joe Dawson
i love "status-blogging", but i still think that it destroys the flow of my friendfeed - i also blocked every twitter update from everyone here at ff...
- Dieter Schwarz
Yay, more services to add to my profile! ;P
- Aaron Myers
The FriendFeed folks may need to reach out to the USA Today writer. It seems his perspective of FriendFeed is extremely limited (or was edited out substantially).
- Robert Seidman
The first guy commenting on the USA site is not much of an early adopter! :)
- Stephan Osmont
It's interesting to see the few comments already. I still don't see the mainstream adoption of Twitter. (Then again I don't know exactly why MySpace survives either.) The FriendFeed comment is just wrong as anyone who has used FF could attest.
- AJ Kohn
There are more comments here than on USA Today.
- Russellreno
Quick, someone write up a blog post entitled "Is Friendfeed killing USA Today?"
- Mark Trapp
USA Today was just deleted on twitter... some woman accused the news of stalking... I mean following
- Noah David Simon
seriously, how much did they pay for this? Corporate propaganda with no negatives. And FriendFeed was set up to service Twitter? WTF x 1000000
- Duncan Riley
agreed. it is time for friendfeed to get a divorce from twitter. we need options to also reply to other services like identi.ca and youare
- Noah David Simon
I thought it was going mainstream in about 2012, WTF?
- Iain Baker
Just read the article. Best part right here: "A cottage industry of websites — including TweetScan, FriendFeed ..."
- Thomas Hawk
Here's the reaction that I think most newbies would have: "I read the article. Never heard of it. Seems like a total waste of time."
- AJ Kohn
My favorite part was the comments. Apparently, none of us have anything to do and are a bunch of idiots.
- Ryan Kuder
One of the social phenomena occurring here is how it takes interactions over time before mainstream type users reach out and ask someone close to them "what is this Twitter thing I keep hearing about?" The first or second time in the press, their eyes glaze over. But, after hearing a co-worker mention it, seeing it on TV, and hearing about it on the radio. They finally ask about it more engagingly. Those around for the start of blogging will know recognize this. I think FF will follow the same trajectory.
- Christopher Sacca
I will add that one reason I think this is true is that there was no analog for blogging. It was really hard to explain to people who had never seen it. Same with Twitter. Explaining it to someone without showing it to them is tough. FF is maybe a bit easier to explain, but I don't think people can truly grasp the value of this place until they interact with it. So, I think we will see the same thing happen here as the growth starts to inflect beyond the early adopters.
- Christopher Sacca
Sorry, the new Facebook is as much FriendFeed like as the KKK likes content from Corvida. I don't see it, but then I'm not chasing a cheap headline either.
Hmmm...who could you be referring to here...?! (I seriously doubt those few still involved with the KKK have internet.)
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
the KEY difference: FB is internal activity, FF is external. For example, I know "Drew Olanoff is no longer listed as "single." but I don't know the latest from his blog via FB.
- Duncan Riley
I dunno. I haven't looked that far into it, but a couple of apps (like twitter and ff) posting to the timelines have started to make the view from within facebook appear relevant again.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
You can add things like Flickr and Last.fm feeds to your Facebook feed. How long before they support any RSS?
- Martin Bryant
Martin, they already do. Though I think you can only add one RSS feed.
- Jamie
Really? Excellent! I'll have to do that then...
- Martin Bryant
I'm not seeing RSS in my friend timeline though. It's still no FF.
- Duncan Riley
If you were not chasing a cheap headline than KKK crap would not be in the comment would it?
- Fred Grott
I port my friendfeed into my Facebook feed. By default, it shows my twitter flickr and last.fm feeds among others. I also use twitter to update my Facebook status. The fail whale is NOT my friend.
- Helen Sventitsky
Anyone else unable to see the new Facebook? www.new.facebook.com just redirects me to the home page.
- Alexander Carlill
Helen, in the new version, all I see is "added an entrty on FriendFeed" on my feed. Funnier still when you click on it, it's classic fail whale
- Duncan Riley
Thats the annoying thing about the new FB design, you need to expand each FF item to see the content, if only you could change the default setting.
- Arthur Guy
@Arthur they are tweaking it as the descriptions are coming, Last.fm Loved songs are a mess but I expect they will shortly display properly
- Joe Dawson
Completely with you with this Duncan...and frankly, it was friendfeed who imitated Facebook in the first place with this friendfeed idea.
- Zee.
Zee: Almost no idea is original - what you do as an entrepreneur is build upon previous and existing ideas. Facebook was NOT the first to come up with the concept of a lifestream or news feed, but it was the first one to popularize it - FriendFeed decided to improve the concept.
- Ben Parr
I think we have to be fair Ben and say that Facebook broke a lot of ground with the news feed, partly because they *were* one of the first to do it in the way they did. Remember the backlash they faced at the time? It was because people had never before seen a feed that exposed their "private" activities to everyone who was a friend. While FF is pretty much a direct (and improved) take on the news feed concept, its hard to find similar inspiration that Facebook had.
- Jamie
I've noticed over the past week specifically that my Mashable articles have been generating more comments on FriendFeed than on the site about 20% of the time.
I'm trying to convince our tech guy to integrate FF comments. Editorial's all on board with the idea, just convincing the biz side to add yet more code that doesn't increase bottom lines may be a hard sell.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark : I think it just means there are more people interested in their friends seeing what they're saying than the Mashable audience specifically. Which, really, makes sense. I mostly care more that my friends see something interesting I feel like saying something about than a group of strangers unless we're talking about a very, very niche topic. (I wouldn't force FriendFeed to read...
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- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
@Mark : Here's an argument: More FF comments mean more public visibility mean more potential traffic driven to the site means more ad revenue. Potentially. If even half the commenters from FF go check out the original post, you're ahead.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I think it's a really interesting use of Twitter. And this guy is no amateur. He's a published novelist. (His last novel, "Hooked," was a bestseller.)
- Leo Laporte
@dlangendorf was working on something like this for a while, as were others. There need to be lots of creative experiments with emerging social media, not just talk about the platforms themselves. Artists often show us the most interesting, non-obvious aspects. In mobile this is certainly the case.
- Dean Terry
I guess of memento more than anything (as Carlos mentioned above), but also it feels a little like After Hours. Listen, I'm not going to un-follow it or anything, because I think it's a great idea and if it goes in a cool direction, it could the first in a new media format, at least in English. I read a while ago about SMS novels in Japanese (see http://xrl.us/kj6fj). I guess Twitter makes it feel very current, so I really want it to work.
- Gregory Cohen
haven't been able to get it to work. it installs fine, but when i open the "friend feed importer console", after a few seconds it displays a bunch of errors ...via AlertThingy
- David Adam
I'll try installing it on a clean machine and see what happens... I might have a missing dependency
- engtech
Ah, it breaks on machines that don't have the HOME environment variable set. I'll release a fix.
- engtech
w00t it works :) Installed fine, and is currently doing its thing. Thanks a bunch I was just thinking the other day how useful a tool like this would be. Whats it mean when it says "Can't find social graph" though? ...via AlertThingy
- David Adam
I put more discussion about the social graph stuff in the blog post. I'm using XFN/FOAF stuff to find the connections between people... doesn't always work well.
- engtech
it is running now but is there a way to produce a simple output instead of subscribing? I am now subsribing to some people I really did not want to subscribe to. ;) or better, if that thing could just produce two lists (twitter friend / friend feed twitter list) i could do a very neat comparison in excel myself. ;)
- Nicole Simon
hm okay. ran it but have no idea if it aborted or not, but given the amount of friends i haev in both, it seems like it. a pause button at the end might be a good idea. :) waiting for the next version. ;)
- Nicole Simon
superb! If only it was a web service....
- zeroinfluencer
I think that would yield more churn than I'd want to handle. I'll have a smaller, more intimate list on FF than Twitter. The services aren't equivalent.
- Chris Baskind
nick, a holodeck can simulate and interstellar spaceship. perception is everything. in fact, it's the only thing
- @baratunde
@eric curious as to why you're posting statements directly to friendfeed.
- @baratunde
I don't want to blog this stuff, my audience is more diverse than web nerds. Also, I have a full post on why I think Google is building a holodeck framework, but I'm just baiting at this point. heh.
- Eric Rice
that's cool. also twitter is down. again. will be interested in your post
- @baratunde
from twhirl
the thing is, the holodeck only simulated stuff that you couldn't do because you were stuck on a spaceship. if you're actually on earth, why not really go whitewater river rafting or whatever, in actual reality? (shit, i'm gonna answer my own question here: sex with celebs and fake time travel.... duh. (though they did the latter on STNG a lot, for some reason they never did the former))
- Ňicķ
@nick that's present day things. I can't go back in time. And, I can't be everwhere Right Now. Let's go hang out in the Alps...ooh crap, can't gotta pick kids up from school. ;)
- Eric Rice
I'm with Eric on the simulate thing. Tons of things I can't do and places I can't visit due to reality constraints.
- Todd Jordan
Start with the Now. Google has a mapping/earth engine that contains relative proximity based information, in all media formats. From Street View to the laser scanning of buildings for 3D. Microsoft also does it, but they are uncool and probably can't figure this out yet hehe. So first step is to look at the current offereing and how robust it is.
- Eric Rice
I mapped/toured Tokyo before I went, affecting my real state of presence there. When I got back, they actually improved the mapping, so every 3D building is rendered. I'm going to try this someplace like Paris next. I can also see the experiences of other 'patrons' via photo/audio/video...
- Eric Rice
The notion of being in a rendered place (and being aware you in a rendered place) does not take away from a social experience and a spatial awareness. Ask anyone who plays Warcraft, Second Life, Halo, GTA, etc... seemingly normal things (by the dollars anyway heh). Sense of place is sense of place.
- Eric Rice
My theory is that our minds are being conditioned to think in that dimension. What Google is building is essentially the pre-historic framework for that. For kicks, look on Xbox for the 'making of the museum of human history', the fictional documentary of how the diorama was built.
- Eric Rice
We just don't have the absolute immersive interface.. YET. Look at what people can do with accelerometers and motion sensors and cameras and infrared on game consoles alone.
- Eric Rice
Let your minds wander and don't think about next week, thing about next decade. And then think of how Microsoft could be the winner if they were smart enough to stitch things together internally. Heh, doubtful. :)
- Eric Rice
But we wouldn't be able to interact with that environment, right?
- Alejandro
Addendum: Google doesn't know they are building a holodeck. heh
- Eric Rice
@alejandro that depends on the interface device. Take a basic game like GTA, you can interact; take one of the PS EyeToy games (aquariums and the Tori-Maki painting), you can interact... Haptic and tactile stuff has a long way to go; this winter we're getting our hands on EEG interfaces (wearable)... Hence why I made the disclaimer at the top: 'framework'... interfaces are still coming
- Eric Rice
this reminds me of that old simpsons episode where lisa imagines VR helmets in school, she puts it on and genghis khan appears saying: "Hello Lisa, I'm Genghis Khan. You'll go where I go, kill who I kill, eat who I eat!" Now that would be something!
- Ňicķ
If I had a holodeck I'd simulate a desk with a computer on it that got FF.
- Geoff Schultz
I have my own holodeck in Second Life - does that count? (it's actually pretty cool!)
- Chrimmus Tad
Oh sure it's all fun and games till you ask the computer to create a Professor Moriarty smart enough to challenge Commander Data.
- Geoff Schultz
Yes, but will it save our health records? :)
- Morton Fox
Using your health records it will create a "virtual you" to kill you over and over in cyberspace.
- Chrimmus Tad
What if Google can scan people with lasers (in public) to create a 3D representation of YOU. Overlay that with all the data you (and your contacts) produce. Would one be able to recreate basic facets of personality (16 of them) based on the nuanced data and clues provided by you and your network? Then you have an avatar that is strong AI that could live for generations; talking with your gr-gr-great grandchildren. Yay for sci-fi!
- Eric Rice
Yes but does it have real estate yet?
- Prokofy Neva
hmm let me think what that would be good for... oh yeah. porn
- Noah David Simon
"Mom! Grandpa's weird AI ghost is having sex with Penelope Cruz in the holodeck again!"
- Ňicķ
@prokofy yes of course, I have some land for you, just pay me and I'll send you the coordinates
- Eric Rice
@nick I read that as 'Weird AL ghost ... having sex with Penelope Cruz"
- Eric Rice
Added about 1,000 new FriendFeed subscriptions yesterday. If you were following me as of yesterday I'm now following you. Adding a thousand new FF contacts certainly does pick up the pace of the experience. I like it.
Yeah, thanks for subbing me. I really enjoy your photos and I might never have seen them otherwise.
- Akiva Moskovitz
thomas - how long did it take to add em all? did you have some script do it for you?
- Chrimmus Tad
from twhirl
That's some serious adding. I find that it's not terribly easy to reciprocate after the fact. What methods did you use?
- Bwana ☠
TH - love your pics and your favs too
- Dave Martin
Sweet, you are following ME now! Now who is the mouse and who is the cheese!
- Phil G
Wow - I use Friendfeed the opposite way.
- Steve Rubel
why would you do that? Seems like way too much... I've been moving in the opposite direction - removing people I've been following so I can have far less noise
- Jonathan Greene
I went from 10 to 100 a little over a week ago and it certainly made things significantly more interesting. FriendFeed is taking a lot of my attention away from Techmeme, and providing a much broader view of what's going on out there.
- Larry Rubin
Tad, it took me a long time, maybe 3 or 4 hours. I don't have or know of a script to auto add reciprocity. I think Scoble had one for Twitter but I don't know of one for FF yet. Basically I went to who subscribed to me and then cmd-clicked them all into new tabs and one by one went through adding people.
- Thomas Hawk
Jonathan and Steve, there is no need to remove anyone when you have the "hide" feature. If someone is too noisy you just need to hide whatever is causing the noise. I'm discovering lots of new interesting people this way. I love it. Even when someone twitters in a language I can't read for instance I can hide their twitters but still get their great flickr photos or flickr faves. selective hiding by service rocks.
- Thomas Hawk
Want to add your Twitter follows to Friend Feed? Use Twitter 2 Friend Feed Importer. http://tinyurl.com/4rr2fl I am looking for a scrip that will check FF against my Twitter follows.
- Russellreno
Welcome to myself!! Mmm, that didn't sound right.
- D.
That is _A LOT_ of followers. I just hit 1,500 total, and it took me more than a day and a half!
- Louis Gray
please add me - www.FriendFeed.com/vmjr - thanks!
- Victor Ryden
I"m still not sure how you can possibly keep up with the information blitz that comes from 1000+ contacts. I get Scoble's meme about 'noise' over 'news', but I don't know how you sort out the useful nuggets from the rubbish.
- Daniel Norton
Daniel, you can't, not when you're subscribed to that many. It's like a firehose. The info just keeps coming. I honestly have no idea why Thomas and Robert and others do this to themselves. You'd need to do nothing else all day but to watch the FF or Twitter page if you wanted to keep up with it all, and even then I think you'd miss a lot of updates from people.
- Raoul Pop
I don't follow thousands of people on FriendFeed or Twitter, but even with the hundreds that I do follow, I feel like I'm dipping my toe in a rushing stream. Luckily, there is search. And in FriendFeed, comments and likes keep things bubbling.
- Ontario Emperor
Is there an easy way of doing this in bulk, or did you click subscribe on 1000 accounts?
- Duncan Riley
At what point does it become too much to handle?
- Morton Fox
Duncan, unfortunately there was not a way to do this in bulk. Morton, I'm not sure it will ever be too much to handle thanks to hiding things. It's a balance.
- Thomas Hawk
something I need to explore later in the week (CeBIT is on so time will be limited) is advertising and blogging 2.0. Steve Rubel has touched on engagement and attention but that model still presumed blogging 1.0 as its basis. One thing for sure: adsense is dead :-)
You @reply with either a number (1|2) or a single keyword defined by the poll creator. I have my first one here: http://bwana.strawpollnow.com/
- Bwana ☠
@bwana 1 and then a reason like. "@bwana 1 because I said so". The keyword version is kinda confusing but I believe it's like "@bwana hancock because Will smith blah blah blah"
- Bwana ☠
So what happens if you answer yourself or tweet about other stuff? I'm afraid to test it on my first poll...
- Voyagerfan5761
D'oh, nothing. I'd still feel better if someone else were to try to respond to my poll and have the answer show up nonetheless.
- Voyagerfan5761
i hate the way @replies work.. its a pita to figure out what the reply is about.. assuming you DO want to know. What is wrong with attaching the @reply to the original message, so you see them in the order the occurred, with the msg they were about? Isn't that how forums work and have worked for some time? If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.
- Tim Hoeck
Well, the @ link is approximate. Oft times, it points back to the wrong thing.
- Jauder Ho
Agree -- it's more confusing than helpful in my mind.
- Charles Barthold
it'd be nice for less ad hoc method to arise. @ replying to multiple people is kind of disfunctional, for example.
- felix
LOVE the way @replies work. it is finely tuned to show me EXACTLY what I want to see... conversations within my Twitter social graph. LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS but explain it better...
- Elliott Ng
@ works fine for me -- just wish Twitter web would pick up @s anywhere in the tweet
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I can see a book series coming. How to use Twitter, FF, Stumble, etc. etc
- Charlie Anzman
It's strange to me that most of the people I'm subscribed to who have private feeds are Googlers, and they are mostly just sharing what they post to their non-private Twitter accounts.
"This summer, the Seattle coffee company will add a line of smoothie-like drinks made with fresh fruit and whey powder throughout its U.S. locations. Starbucks says they're the first stage of a broader push into healthier drink and food offerings ... The flavors Starbucks has developed include chocolate banana and orange mango."
- Dan Hsiao
twitter_status: Some users are not seeing all updates in their timelines. We are aware of this problem and are working to resolve it. - http://twitter.com/twitter...