Except occasionally during refresh, window resizing, playing video..., CPU should be at 0. If you mail me more information at info (at) sobees.com I would be happy to investigate. - Francois Bochatay
The GUI is very nice: nice widgets, navigation over Flickr slides, zoom in photo, widget animation, auto-refresh. The drawback, it's crashing very often when scrolling. I'm using Windows XP, does anyone over there experiencing these issues ? - ZakMb
I have increased the tweets refresh rate from 1 min to 6 min for both Twitter and FF, result: the crashing issues are gone :-) - ZakMb via bTT
Thanks for the feedback. Our testing on XP went fine, but we will make investigation on this specific issue. - Francois Bochatay
Thx for the comment. Do you have plan to support handheld devices: WM , iPhone ? - ZakMb
We are working on a Silverlight version which will be supported by some handheld devices (Window Mobile, Nokia, ...). - Francois Bochatay
I think its SCROLLING!! They have programmed it in such a way that one item is counted one line.. Now, when I scroll with middle mouse wheel, system settings are such that it scrolls 3 lines.. So, bTT scrolls three stories (events).. Just imagine having one event with 57 comments (most prob scoble's one) and I want to see it in bTT, there is no way!! (Even if you click the scrollbar down arrow, it scrolls one entry at a time, and I just see 8 comments on my screen, how do I see rest of it, damn it!!) - Jigar Mehta
I fully agree with you. We had to deal with the following choices: virtualisation of the items and scrolling issue (it scrolls from one item to the next) or no virtualisation and better scrolling but limitation of the number of items displayed. We are currently investigating how we can make it better. By the way, thanks for the creation of the room. - Francois Bochatay
Francois, are you developer of bTT? If you are, many thanks for such a great tool development.. Way to go !! - Jigar Mehta
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments - Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed. - Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped - Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is. - Ryne Nelson
concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then. - Alexander Falk
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left. - Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr - Stephen B via Alert Thingy
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!? - Tommaso Sorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out... - Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain). - Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer. - James Polley
yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment - b-noud
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change - Noah David Simon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly - Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered. - Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up - Noah David Simon
If they do, I think it should allow you to turn them on or off if you do not want to see them. - Paul L. McCord Jr.
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post. - John
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said. - possible248
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol - Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago. - Mike Fruchter
It's ok to miss something... You don't have to read everything. The cool part about FriendFeed is that YOU determine what's important. If I wanted it fed to me, I'd go to Techmeme, or some other service. - Bwana McCall
Importance would be defined by the number of Likes and Comments. - Akiva Moskovitz
Important things are different from one to another, so i guess it would need a filter. - Nir Ben Yona
Search function is not powerful enough to express the notion of importance. :) - Morton Fox
I guess they could use the Flickr model of interestingness? - Gerard van Schip
If you can decide on a set of parameters that would normally catch your eye as important, I'm sure Greasemonkey can do the rest. - Rahsheen Porter via twhirl
How about make a search page and subscribe to the RSS feed in a reader with smart groups. - Tom Landini
You mean, "I want a page that shows what important stuff I missed while I got my usual 3 hours of sleep last night without my internet IV stuck in my arm." - Thomas Hawk
akiva wins the prize. Things that have likes and comments. - Robert Scoble
Could there be some functionality like AideRSS? - Alex Williams
perfect idea...just came back from kitchen with salmon for lunch and sat down to "catch up on Frienfeed", so this idea is perfect! thanks for suggesting it! hear that Bret and Paul? - Susan Beebe
Me to; I have been working on a new GraffitiCMS theme for my site to bring FriendFeeds into the site in this manner. Looked at Scobles FriendFeed widget on his sidebar but that is just http://friendfeed.com/embed?us... also looked at Pirillo’s Social Me page-not sure what that is yet. - Kevin Tunis
This is why when I hide things, I don't hide them if they have likes and/or comments. My important stuff is on my main feed. I go venturing out on the everyone feed. - Bwana McCall
in case you closed that "second page" without scrolling/seeing all of it could come with another page - for the skipped bits ;) - Tudor via Alert Thingy
Now I know FF is really popular: I'm not the only user named Tudor any more. - Tudor Bosman
I think "important" stuff is really just making a group/category of a select few friends, or a global tab of a combo of 'most comments + likes". I'm sure someone is building a firefox plugin right now! (never used the group plugin I've heard about already) - Karl
You know what happens when two Tudor's meet - Tudor via Alert Thingy
I wan't a way to undelete if I screw up like last night! - Charlie Anzman
Robert. Te best thing about ANY aggregating service is that life goes on when you leave it. Forget about what you missed. Look at what is passing by when you return. If you missed something it's old news already - Alexander van Elsas
Does anyone else find it interesting that Robert Scoble defines what is important as what other people liked or commented on? I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. - Rob Diana
Well, it's no fun to go back to something that nobody is discussing... - Rahsheen Porter
FriendFeedMachine can sort items by # of comments or likes so that's a start: http://www.friendfeedmachine.c... Also a good tool would be FriendFeedLinks at http://www.friendfeedlinks.com. But I believe where you add value is finding important stuff before others, so this may not work for you. - Louis Gray
Something that shows most commented items! - Britney Mason
The problem is, we start relying on social services for direct communications without taking the time to be "direct". It is a lower priority form of communication. The real answer is, if something is important, it should be sent directly. If it is big news, it SHOULD make it to the top of the various outlets (tech crunch, cnn, etc...) If not, I agree with Alexander van Elsas. Forget about it, it's old news! - Joel Gray
@Ron Diana - that's the beauty of human filtering, ain't it? What do people who I trust find interesting. - Hutch Carpenter
ffmachine looks cool, but I couldn't figure it out in less than 30s so I quit (: - Rahsheen Porter
@Rahsheen - that's sort of my experience as well. It's beta, so I hope the UI will improve. - Hutch Carpenter
I didn't bother to look too hard, but I don't think I saw any Help or anything either. I hate when stuff looks really useful...but I don't know how to use it... - Rahsheen Porter
You do of course see the fault in Robert Scoble's FF strategy. If he only looks at things that others have liked, and we all do that, well, then there isn't much left to be seen. If you are truly a noise adept, then you make decisions without others doing it for you. No need to wait for likes. Be the first to like something (or not). - Alexander van Elsas
There is already a thread started on the Feedback group for it. Or at least for some way of noting what you've already seen and what's new. - xero
Showing what is popular, either generally or with a chosen subset of people, would be a big Friendfeed plus. Actually, I don't know if I need that filter -- you've been a pretty good filter, just seeing what you like. - Alex Hammer
Since your are on Windows, you could try bTT: leave it open with filters on minimum likes/comments while you are away http://btt.sobees.com. - Francois Bochatay
I keep hearing people say "if you're arguing against comments being on FriendFeed, you Just Don't Get It", but nobody's actually bothered to say /why/ comments on FF are a good thing. It's just /assumed/ to be good. - Chris Anthony
why do the comments on FF have to be justified? Is the people who don't like them the ones who need to defend their position. - Alejandro S.
I like friendfeed comments just fine and think they are vastly better than pulling in all the disaggregated comments as Allen suggests. But I hope Allen will raise some cash, hire some software developers and build the thing that he thinks is 1000x better. - Robert Seidman
What stolen conversation? I'm of the opinion that very few blogs actually had conversation in comments section on a consistent basis in the first place. - Shey
Shey, if your opinion is backed up by a wealth of data, doesn't that make it fact? ;-) - Robert Seidman
Shey, do the blogs that didn't have significant comment conversation in comments have significant comment activity on FriendFeed? - Chris Anthony
Pretty much disagree with this post, but it's worth a read. Digg and reddit have comments, are they wrong too? - Jason Kaneshiro
Alejandro, if anyone needs to do any justification, it's the entity making the change, and that's FriendFeed at the moment. - Chris Anthony
Jason, yes, under this model of thinking they are. Why focus on FriendFeed in the post and the conversation? Because FriendFeed, to use Malcolm Gladwell's term, is in the process of tipping. - Chris Anthony
Chris. Huh? FriendFeed is a service where people can talk about stuff. If people don't want to talk about stuff here, they don't have to. If people want to talk about YOUR stuff here and you don't like it because you can't control it that's not any different than people talking about your stuff at a conference where a bunch of people are chatting about it in a hallway. - Robert Seidman
Robert, I have no idea which of my comments you're responding to. (That in itself is a limitation of FriendFeed - although really, it's a limitation of any non-threaded comment system.) Where did I talk about controlling the conversation? You're putting words in my mouth. - Chris Anthony
Robert, I prefer to /see/ the conversation. I don't care about /controlling/ it. If we're supposed to treat FriendFeed like it's an extended conference conversation, that's one thing, and we can all relax a bit. But that's not how people are treating it - and it's not how FriendFeed is behaving. - Chris Anthony
The more I think about it, the more I think FF could change that perception - of item comments as decentralized blog comments rather than hallway chats - by simply changing the term "comment" to "conversation" (or "converse", in the verb form under a given entry), or something similar. As it is, by this point we associate "comment" with "blog comment", which is why people are getting so riled up about it. - Chris Anthony
Chris, if it's just a preference then just like my preference that Angelina Jolie would think I'm cuter than Brad Pitt, you're probably going to have to get over it. How is FriendFeed behaving? In a way that allows people to have conversations about something you wrote that you might not wind up seeing? <gasp> - Robert Seidman
Robert, in the future, please read my comments before you reply to them. - Chris Anthony
Chris, I read your comments. I disagree with you. In the future, please feel free to ignore differing opinions. That's something that actually is in your control. - Robert Seidman
I didn't know someone owns the conversation. I'm gonna start asking for permission every time I discuss something with a friend. - Alejandro S.
look at all these comments which belong on my blog! Robert, you brought up the one thing that I knew someone would say - which is that people can chat offline about my post and I can't control it. Truth is that FF can build the best tool that does exactly what I've suggested, it doesn't change anything about the interaction here at all. What it does is let the x people who aren't on here understand the entire conversation. There's no reason they can't do it - unless of course their business model is in the conversation. - Allen Stern
Allen, we'll have to agree to disagree. "Look at all these comments that belong on my blog!" I don't see them as "belonging" to your blog. I'd lean more towards "Wow, look at all these people talking about my blog, cool!" - Robert Seidman
Robert it is cool, it just belongs across the street so that everyone can play together - i want you to see and be part of the entire conversation, not a fragmented part. And I want everyone to be part of the entire conversation - it's possible. - Allen Stern
I agree with Peter in that I now read 99% of the blog posts I follow in GReader and comment either via Share with note in GReader (which posts to FriendFeed) or via twhirl to the post or to another shared comment. - Jon Erickson via twhirl
I read this and other blogs. Primarily when I see them in FriendFeed. I've stopped using an RSS reader and rarely go directly to blogs on their own anymore. Still I'm reading more blogs now than ever, including yours. Best way to get your blog read by me is have it on FriendFeed. - Thomas Hawk
I do, along with people that i have linked up with through FriendFeed or twitter. - Caleb Easterwood
I would think someone would be able to come up with a way to import any friend feed discussions into their blog comments section maybe. - jason burton
10 years? In Internet time that's like 100... Technology changes accelerate exponentially. In 10 years the internet itself and the way we access/interact with it won't be anything like it is today. Will FriendFeed be around then? I'm guessing probably not... it will have morphed or been replaced by something more useful several times by then. I don't think we have to worry about it too much, just hang on for the wild ride. - Lindsay Donaghe
2018??! LOL thats hilarious, thats like being back in 1997 and saying fellas, Friendster will rule this galaxy in 2008! (course I dont even know when friendster actually hit the web) - Dan Rockwell via twhirl
Does it really matter? I mean, no one is going to take away FriendFeed if it doesn't "go mainstream" by X date. FF is just 5 (or 6?) people who are servign 100k others. Not a bad ratio - and we FF highly value the service. I'm sure things will keep getting better and better. - Mike Reynolds
Funny, why define "mainstream" as 33%? I definte it as > 50% - the majority of US households. The chart also only shows technology that went mainstream, unfortunately implying a lot of them do. Most new technologies never gain critical mass and others have a brief period of success and then failure, and sometimes the better technology never does (we're still using QWERTY keyboards and VHS was inferior to Beta). I'd say this is a complete toss up. - Jason Kaneshiro
10 years is certainly pushing it BIG TIME. If it isn't in 2-3 years, it won't happen at all. - Andrew Dobrow
Many of you have very unrealistic expectations. NOTHING reaches > 50% of the population in 2-3 years. Google may have 68% of searches, but that is certainly from less than 50% of the population (more active searchers are more likely to use Google), and that has taken 10 years and is one of the biggest successes ever. - Paul Buchheit
+1 Like for Paul's comment. Good businesses take time to grow. Online and social makes it happen faster, but it takes time nonetheless. "Internet time" means changes can come along quickly. But it doesn't describe mainstream adoption. - Hutch Carpenter
Let's put things in perspective. Flickr is mainstream right? They have 1.7% of internet traffic (Alexa), a very far cry from the Facebook numbers. But, people would also consider Flickr to be a success. - Rob Diana
@Paul @Hutch @Rob - Do you need 50% of the population to have a successful business? No. But all the technologies on the chart referenced in the post are game changers, revolutionary uses of technology. To compare a new service like FriendFeed to "the internet" or "the automobile" pretty much discredits how ubiquitous and life alterting those technologies are. When the majority of the population considers a technology a necessity, it's a whole 'nother ball game; a paradigm shift that changes the world. - Jason Kaneshiro
@Jason - That is why I brought up Flickr. They changed the idea of sharing pictures. There were several lifestreaming services launched at the same time, but there are only a few with traffic. The bigger question is whether lifestreaming catches on with the masses. - Rob Diana
@Rob yeah, I agree, Flickr is a successful business and a great idea. I'm not suggesting that FF won't be hugely successful as a business, become profitable and / or be acquired. I think it will achieve all those things. But to compare it to "the washing machine" "the telephone" and "the automobile"? I think that's *really* getting ahead of ourselves. :) - Jason Kaneshiro
@Jason - Oh, ok. I was never comparing them so I did not get what you were saying. Forgot they were in the chart in the article. - Rob Diana
@Jason - a couple things. 50% adoption is the Wikipedia definition of mainstream. I think 50% is too high. If 1 out of 3 people use something, I'd say that's pretty mainstream. I also don't compare FriendFeed to the automobile or the Internet directly in terms of utility. Only for comparison in terms of adoption cycles. I'd love a chart that shows MyYahoo, Google search, AOL, etc. Haven't seen that. - Hutch Carpenter
@Rob, I don't think Flickr is designed for lifestreaming, even though a lot of early-adopter types use it that way. It's designed for photography enthusiasts to show off, and for web surfers to search for interesting photos taken by strangers. They're doing extremely well in that niche. Sharing your life using photos calls for something different. I've made OurDoings for that purpose and think it works very well. The problem I'm finding is that the early adopter phase is not optional. - Bruce Lewis
Yeah, I liked Summize so much, I added support for its search API to my Twitter client. I just had to. - Morton Fox
Even on basic search there's no comparison. On Thursday evening I performed an ego search on both Summize and TweetScan, and Tweetscan missed most of the relevant tweets from the last couple of days. Granted that Twitter had its own problems during that period, but the fact remains that Summize was still able to deliver the results. - Ontario Emperor
The way that summize keeps searching even after the page loads it great - makes it so easy to keep track of whatyou're looking for - Colin Walker
summize is great and they have a good api as well. - Rodney Rumford
summize is awesome indeed, i use it to catch my replies when I'm using Twitter web - Shey
Summize had our Minnebar conversation in their top five last Sat, so they're not so dumb... :-) - Graeme Thickins
Totally agreed. Tried to use Tweetscan the other day (it was the only Twitter search service I could remember at the time) and FAIL. Thankfully I stumbled on summize yesterday, and it's perfect! - Jandy Stone via Alert Thingy
Summize - great find - already found some good, new Twitterers to follow. Very accurate and useful. - David Sim
Any serious photographer ALWAYS shoots in RAW. When I meet people who say they don't know what RAW is or who do, and decide to do only JPEG I just shake my head and feel sorry for them. It's like throwing away your original slides or negatives. Makes me sad. - Robert Scoble
Ok. I am one of those JPEG photographers. I just got a new DLSR and don't know anything about RAW. Any good links on taking RAW photos and how to process them? Also, what do you use to manage your files? - Michael Carter
Michael: get Adobe Lightroom http://www.adobe.com/products/... -- if you save in RAW you'll be able to much more widely manipulate your images, saving color temperature and exposure problems, among other things. Plus you'll get sharper images and know that you've actually saved all the data coming off of your DSLR's sensor. It takes more memory space, though. Need more hard drives and bigger memory cards, etc. - Robert Scoble
Michael: Aperture is a great option if you are on a Mac. It's absolutely brilliant for organization. Google This Week In Photography -- it's a great podcast about all things photography related. - Jeremy Brooks
Now storage is cheap, there's not much reason not to use RAW. - Richard Bradshaw
Generalizations like this don't make for a good argument, Robert. Most serious photographers do indeed shoot raw and I agree for most it is the way to go. But there are indeed good reasons for shooting JPEG. It all depends on the circumstances. News photographers who have to get their stuff out as quickly as possible are one example. Plus, DSLRs have become much better at in-camera JPEG processing. The newest Nikons produce exceptionally good JPEGs in most situations. - Ole Begemann
Ole: there's no reason anymore. Why? Pro DSLRs like my Canon 5D and the Nikon D3 I borrowed for a month shoot in BOTH RAW and JPEG so you get the benefits of each. News photographers should keep a historical record in as high a quality as they can. Also, RAW can actually be much easier to process and get a good professional image from. - Robert Scoble
What about sports photography where speed is necessary. You are wrong scoble for dissing on JPEG like that. Raw is great, but JPEG has its own needs and uses - Varun Pitale
I tested out the Nikon D3 and have the Canon 5D. I don't see any real-world speed difference between shooting both RAW and JPEG and JPEG only. Most sports photogs I know shoot RAW because they want the processing capabilities that come with RAW. Most sports photogs I know use many cameras anyway and use the most expensive equipment. - Robert Scoble
But, that's missing the point anyway. I don't mind a professional making a conscious choice. But most people don't really know what RAW does for them and they really are limiting themselves and their photography because of their lack of knowledge. - Robert Scoble
RAW images are not always noticably better in a side-by-side, unprocessed comparison. However, they have major advantages when you're doing a lot of correction afterwards, particularly to bad white balances. If you shoot hundreds of images a day, RAW is not a practical choice. - Ian Betteridge
Ian: that's bull. Thomas Hawk shoots hundreds of images a day and shoots in RAW. I'm shooting tons of pictures every day in both RAW and JPEG and I can see the difference. I upload my JPEG's to Flickr for speed's sake, though, but I wouldn't consider making an image without keeping the RAW around. - Robert Scoble
Robert, your point about "historical record" highlights the BIG issue with RAW: it's not a standard format as such, but simply the raw sensor data. This means that there are lots of kinds of RAW, and no future-proofing. A Nikon NEF which is supported today might not be supported in 10 years time. Keeping your archives as RAW files is basically gambling that the (proprietary) format will still be supported in ten years time, something that you're not doing with JPG. - Ian Betteridge
Oh, and not all RAW is created equal: some types use lossy compression anyway, so you might as well shoot in JPG. - Ian Betteridge
Ian ALL professional cameras shoot in both JPG and RAW. In fact, the Nikon D3 has two Compact Flash card slots. You can set the camera to shoot in RAW on one card and JPEG on the other. That way you have both formats to work with. Even if I shot in RAW only, though, I'd convert my photos to JPEG that I wanted to save and I keep both the RAW format and the JPEG. - Robert Scoble
Scoble, I agree with all the points you make, but I still would argue that if you need speed, JPEG beats RAW. Even the D3 takes RAW at only 2.5 fps - Varun Pitale
Robert, does Thomas shoot hundreds of images a day without access to a laptop? How long, exactly, does he spend processing afterwards? If all he's doing is shooting raw and creating JPGs, he's wasting his time. What's more, if you're really seeing a big difference between raw and JPG, then the issue is your camera's JPG compression algorithms, not the efficiency of RAW. - Ian Betteridge
And, of course, if all Thomas is doing is using RAW as an archive format, then he's gambling that his particular kind of RAW will be supported in ten, twenty years time. That's a big gamble to take if archive photos are important to you. - Ian Betteridge
Varun: the D3 sure seemed to take a lot faster photos than that. I'll have to look into that. Ian: yes. He carries many gigabyte cards. He spends hours processing images. We'll cover this topic a lot more in depth on our new PhotoCycle show that'll start in mid-June. - Robert Scoble
Always RAW. It's amazing how much more data you can get out of a RAW image; highlights/shadows especially. - Benjamin Golub
Robert, I know that all pro cameras shoot in both. However, the way you're talking about RAW here is as if you can just dispense with JPG - ie "news photographers should keep a historical record in as high a quality as they can." Well sorry, but as an archive format RAW is just not a good choice. - Ian Betteridge
Robert, your example of how Thomas works makes the point very well that RAW doesn't work for all. Could a news photographer afford to stop mid-shoot and change a card? - Ian Betteridge
Ian: have you ever watched a news journalist work? They change cards all the time. I'll tell you what, I'll interview some news journalists about this topic and we'll come back to it. Most of the ones I know shoot in RAW because they want the absolute best image to work with as possible. Most news photographers (I watched quite a few work right next to me at Davos) carry three to five bodies and a crapload of memory cards so switching isn't that big a deal for them. - Robert Scoble
It is extremely rare that anyone needs to shoot for an extended length of time without taking a breath. In such situations anyway the best photographers have assistants who rotate cameras in with fresh cards. I watched Sports Illustrated work a World Series game and that's just what they did. The assistant was taking images off of the cards, processing them, and uploading them while the action was going on on the field. - Robert Scoble
"If you shoot hundreds of images a day, RAW is not a practical choice." Sure it is. In Aperture I set the correct white balance for 1 RAW image and batch apply it to all othe others in the same photo shoot. Most of the time this doesn't need to change at all. You can even batch apply sharpening/noise reduction/anything else. RAW does not slow me down; it makes my photos the best they can be. - Benjamin Golub
Part I of Photoshop Lessons from Jan Kabili, where she talks about how to process RAW and other things that are important to making great images: http://www.podtech.net/scobles... - Robert Scoble
Robert, I used to be a news journalist - and I think you mean news photographer :) And yes, they change cards (and cameras) a lot. They'll be doing it a whole lot more if they shoot in RAW. Approximately 3-6x as often, in fact. That means you're much more likely to miss getting the best shot in busy circumstances. Don't get me wrong - RAW is great if the important thing is maximising your ability to post-process - but in some circumstances that's not what you're most interested in. - Ian Betteridge
I shot in RAW and do my post processing in Adobe Lightroom. Pics are saved on 2 external HDDs. - Marcel Janus
I shoot in RAW when I think post-processing of the image will improve it a lot. But the jpg's my DLSR creates are enough for me in 50-70% of the situations. This does depend on how much of a photoshopper you are. :) It helps if you know the limits of your camera. - roel
I just want to say that I love FriendFeed. This whole discussion started from a Tweet from a person that I don't follow. Now there are all these people adding to a new conversation on FF. This is good stuff. - Michael Carter
Great conversation. I shoot 100% in RAW. Every argument I've heard for shooting JPG above doesn't hold water in my opinion. You can fit hundreds of photos shot in RAW on an 8GB card -- even more on a 16GB. Swapping cards is no problem -- it can be done in seconds. I shoot 200-400 shots in a typical day. If I'm on an actual shoot typically over 1,000. Storage is cheap. You lose so much of your photo by shooting in JPG. There is no reason to only shoot in JPG for serious photographers. - Thomas Hawk
As soon as I get a RAW capable camera, I'm all over it. I'm waiting until CHDK supports my camera (SD 750) or I get a new one altogether. - Harvey Simmons
Canon took RAW away from the Powershot S80, booo - Shey
Mac OS X supports most Canon & Nikon RAW formats natively so you can preview RAW images in the finder or use QuickLook, so it isn't any more difficult to work with than JPEG. The difference is most obvious when you open a RAW file in Aperture, since it gives you more adjustment options. - Mike Cohen
Not sure why everyone moved away from this thread. What I'm wondering, is when I'm at the point where I'll be buying a DSLR, what do I get? Is there a current "king" of the DSLRs? - Jordan Hofker
Jordan, best advice is to try out a lot of different ones. Also depends on your price range. My own thoughts are to seriously consider both Canon and Nikon due to the extensive line up of fine lenses that both offer. Canon should be coming out with a new 5D shortly. That will be a hot DSLR and probably run about $3,500. the Nikon D3 runs about $5,000. You don't need to spend this much though and there are many seriously good cheaper models from both Canon and Nikon. - Thomas Hawk
Jordan, I'm about to retire my first DSLR (a Canon 20D) and am looking at replacing it with the Canon 450D... it's a step down in the Canon product line, but feature-by-feature is actually an upgrade for me... :) and, it's squarely within my hobbyist's budget at around $800... - Kenneth LeFebvre
Jordan, one thing to keep in mind that is just as important to get good lenses/glass as it is to get a good body! So save some money in your budget for some quality starter lenses (you can get some good prime lenses) - Chris Lewis via Alert Thingy
I'm late to the party, I seem to get more noise/grain from RAW than from JPG - in Adobe RAW and Aperture 2. Not enough to make me go back though. - Avelino Maestas
I sure wish I knew why this conversation is not being bumped up in FriendFeed when people post to it. Annoying. - Thomas Hawk
I'm testing the bump also (with a like and a comment), but I have a question - what is the shelf life of a typical RAW image? Certainly you have more processing capabilities in the short term, but what about 5-10 years from now? I grant that JPEG won't be supported forever either, but if you're thinking long-term preservation, I would think that JPEG would offer a longer life. - Ontario Emperor
