The company of the day is sobees, based in Switzerland. sobees is the perfect desktop companion for online social networks. You will find below an interview with François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees. All the best to them and congrats for being the startup of the day! Website: www.sobees.com. Interview with François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees Who are you? We are François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees – my social desktop aggregator. How do you feel being the most promising ‘company of the day’ per Microsoft? BizSpark being a global network, of thousands of promising startups, we are very proud to be recognized in this way. What did you do before creating your company? François was working in the financial industry as program manager. Vincent was senior consultant at Microsoft. How did you get the idea? What s the genesis? The idea was born about 2 years ago just after WPF was released. We knew there would be a great...
Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different?
- Tracy Ferry
me too, i just join this friendfeed right now!
- charlene chua
Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on.
- Charlotte Frum
demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :)
- Keilah Sanchez
Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater.
- Kimba Rudd
I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT?
- Rosa
This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both
- Jessica Williams
yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things.
- Nita Wertz Ernst
Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com.
- SecretRegrets
Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol
- Jessica Williams
I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help
- Lynn
piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lynn.. to block him.. CLICK his name.. block ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah
- Tina Haight
done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun
- Lynn
Blamedrewscancer.com - pls spread the word
- Liza + = ?
are there any size limits to the characters typed?
- Lynn
Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow!
- Martha
Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way.
- Samantha Scheideler
lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand
- Lynn
lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort.
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk
- Jessica Williams
Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls
- Liza + = ?
ignore ppl who say go back to Twitter
- Liza + = ?
Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action.
- Gtp19
liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari
- Liza + = ?
Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty.
- Liza + = ?
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here
- Rob Sellen :o)
go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though
- Lynn
Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page...
- Rob Sellen :o)
The key to FriendFeed is following me. :)
- Andrew
She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in
- Lynn
Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier.
- Robert Kenney
It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them.
- FFing Enigma
Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here..
- Rob Sellen :o)
thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha
- Lynn
Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi!
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter.
- Manuel Mas
It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF!
- Matt G
Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here.
- professor daddyo
Everyone's new at some point. The more the better.
- Robert Kenney
lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-)
- Karma Martell
Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later.
- FFing Enigma
...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here?
- .LAG liked that
this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already?
- Rex Gradeless
LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm>
- tehKenny
Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen
- Lynn
Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on.
- April
yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!!
- Gtp19
Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr?
- Ciaoenrico
while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation.
- FFing Enigma
Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =)
- FFing Enigma
Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool.
- Sherrie Belken
PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode*
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage.
- Dana Fosburgh
My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =)
- SashaKane
If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously.
- Danny Groveman
I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions
- Allison Warnock
what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users.
- Carlos Ayala
Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure.
- Sherrie Belken
Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!..
- Memet
just play around D and you'll figure it out
- Thomas Power
ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed
- Laurel howard
I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : (
- Rose
Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply.
- FFing Enigma
its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies
- Robert Higgins
demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did!
- JNez
Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O
- Rob Schieber
FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome...
- Bette Cooper
I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions.
- Robert Scoble
Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment.
- Amy℠
Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =)
- FFing Enigma
Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this.
- Justin Korn
ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door
- Lin Hill
just follow people and comment now and then, thats all
- Lin Hill
Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online.
- FFing Enigma
well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore!
- Lin Hill
Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something.
- Outsanity
Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back.
- FFing Enigma
i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out?
- Lin Hill
Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late.
- Amani
it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that
- Lin Hill
That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going...
- FFing Enigma
half the people i`m subscribed too i didnt even choose!! whats that about??
- Lin Hill
Never drink and FriendFeed at the same time
- Outsanity
Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them.
- FFing Enigma
ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead
- Lin Hill
FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board!
- Neya
from fftogo
This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble
- Outsanity
You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Hilarious - may all come to pass before 2018.
- Todd McKinney
Love it. But 2018? I'd except to be able to get Friend.com directly through the HUD in my flying car by then... Only silversurfers (like us) would still use "web browsers" in 2018.
- Tony Ruscoe
Twitter feed not available? That may come to pass at 10:30.
- Bill Bittner
And what's up with "low karma comments"? I thought the karma thing left us in the seventies... but yes, everything comes on cycles...
- Alex von Halem
You've got the Google thing backwards :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hey, I just noticed I'm in the screenshot. :D @Paul: ? What's backwards, where?
- dgw
Actually, it missed one important thing - a HUGE ad, taking up the top half of the screen, for a substance that is just as effective as Viagra (which was banned in 2011).
- Ontario Emperor
I think Paul's saying that in 2018 ff will own google
- j1m
It's comforting that hitting monkeys will still be as popular in 2018 as they are now.
- Ginger Makela Riker
One thing they got wrong: by 2012, Paul will have started his own country southwest of Alaska on an artificial island. It'll be called Free Festivusland, and it'll get the top-level domain “ff”. FriendFeed will then be http://ff/ — no dots or coms or nets or orgs.
- Amit Patel
I think the web will be voice and audio driven in 10 years, or at least it will be available. There's even some startup now that can sense nerve pulses to the vocal chords to know what you'll say before you actually say it.
- Mike Reynolds
I think comments won't be replaced by nested commented, just like @ in twitter, many people like this.
- terababy
Mike Reynolds, now I'm scared. Very scared. I'll get myself in trouble before I actually hear what I'm saying (rather than after).
- Ontario Emperor
For some reason, the Facebook deal makes this future user interface look more likely.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Arama, İstatistik ve Trend kategorisinden sonra kullanıcıların Twitter’ı daha verimli kullanabilmelerini sağlayan Masaüstü Uygulamaları kategorisindeki uygulamalardan bir liste yaptık.
- Burak Budak
from Bookmarklet
"Most of the popular desktop clients for Twitter and other social media services use Adobe AIR, which takes resource usage to a whole different level. Both clients are nice to look at, but lacking a lot in the feature department. This is painfully clear in comparison to other clients already in this space like Tweetvisor and PeopleBrowsr, but both Sobees and Seesmic are alpha software and we should expect new features to be added soon." PeopleBrowsr is awesome! Knowledge: http://kb.clipotech.com/pbrowsr
- Svartling
from Bookmarklet
Sharon, looks interesting, will try it later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Sharon, have you received your confirmation email yet? I'm still waiting. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Unfortunately Kol, I'm unable to use this because of my archaic Windows 2000 OS.
- Sharon McPherson
I'm just downloading and trying it. Looks interesting although it requires .NET 3.5 so it will likely be as much of a memory hog as most AIR apps.
- Kenton
tried this today, and my biggest complaint is that it seemed to insist on using IE to open items.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
second complaint was the response time...very slow. - I Did like the RSS feeds in it. but that's not enough to give up my PeopleBrowsr.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Installing now. On the face of it, this looks like exactly what I'm looking for.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
Kol: yes I played with it for a while, and didn't see the means to change it (and IE is certainly not my default browser!) Though this app looks like it could be cool, the .NET and Microsoft reliance are not for me. I thought on first run that the interface needed work. I liked the design layout and the multi-network connectivity, but it seemed to have been missing a lot of the features...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
wow that demo is really impressive but from what rob has to say i have to agree that id stick to peoplebrowsr for now. need to read up more on this, looks exciting
- Freddie Benjamin
I retried this app, and it did not use my IE. Very weird. I haven't figured out what makes it use the one browser instead of the other. It was a pretty nice app, but I still think that it needs some work to be ready for the big time. Basicall there's nothing in sobees that's not in PeopleBrowsr BUT it's considerably less complicated than PB's advanced mode. The sobees response time was still not very good on my second run.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
IMO, For more casual users this application may be a nice solution. If you aren't a power-tweeter, and want an integrated "social desktop" application, give this a try. If you're more of a power user I would recommend PeopleBrowsr.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Finally gave PeopleBrowsr a whirl on the strength of Rob's endorsements. Wow. It's TweetDeck done better!
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: In Lite mode it is exactly that. In Advanced mode, it's a complete "Social Desktop" (And Thanks! )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kol - Switched from Sobees to BDule ... Much more stable under Win 7 here
- Charlie Anzman
bdule is only a small part of the sobees application. useful, but not the full experience by any stretch.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hmm. Guess I am too old to figure out how to make it all work...Seems a bit overwhelming!
- John Apps
The light version is faster, more stable and no log-in necessary
- Charlie Anzman
Tried it for a while, but stopped. I found it way too slow to be useful.
- Kenton
Charlie: When you say light version you mean the bDule version?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
i install this but is giving me an error because it won't start (application say that there is one process that needs to be made...) how can i solve.
- Laurentiu
my suspicion is that you don't have .NET 3.5 properly installed. I've also noticed that exiting the application once running will not necessarily clear all of its processes out of active memory. A false start may leave the partial set running. You may need to use the task manager to end any associated processes (or reboot if that is easier)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
tweetie on iphone and desktop, also tweetgrid
- Wayne Sutton
it depends on what I am tweeting, Feedly to tweet from my RSS reader, bit.ly when tweeting links. use Peoplebrowsr & Nambu to read and reply to tweets and now trying to use Freindfeed to reply and interact with others
- zsafwan
FF or Tweetvisor, and fiddling around with Seesmic. Edit: Feedly too, but it feeds stuff to FF so ...
- Ahsan Ali
tweetie on the desktop and the iphone, feedly for sharing pages.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
FriendFeed as the same potencial than Diigo and the same problem: not easy to use...
- António Teixeira
How dare you tell me how to use FriendFeed! (Except that you're right, of course; time to address my lists usage.)
- Akiva
I think that we have to introduce segmentation in our reading :) it is fun and exciting :)
- abdellah
I would like the icons back saying what type of service the post is from...possibly in the bottom right corner of the avatars.
- Paul Arterburn
My parents will hate how active the page is - the next generation, who go at the pace of Wall-E, will eat it up
- Christopher Galtenberg
haha, yeah I need to up my game in the lists - haven't had to use - but now I will. But I love it!
- Tony
That's dangerous. Lists require lots of thought, work, organization. If there's one thing we know from running Grazr, people do not want to do that (well most non-organization obsessed people). I think essentially forcing the use of lists is a big mistake for broader adoption.
- mikepk
I suspect people will trim their subscribe list, while they adjust
- Iphigenie
so what's the first thing to do that's going to slow this down?
- Todd Jordan
I don't mind the speed, but I think there are more elegant things they could do with the UI during live updates (ie: fading to/from colors) and of course letting the user control speed of updates and UI effects.
- Ryan Stanley
when he name list, it mean filtering :)
- abdellah
Hmm... a few rooms (feeds now?) I created seem to be missing or just not easy to find. Will check out the tour to see if I'm missing something
- Dave Ferrick
woah neddy.....wouldn't tabs for search terms in the main page be a good idea...
- Paul Fabretti
the one problem with the speed is that what you are scanning suddenly jumps off the page. perhaps a way to "pin" what you are reading temporarily...
- Iphigenie
Yikes, is there a pause button somewhere?
- Sally Church
This mega-threaded replies really do float to the top.
- Andrew Leyden
needs a keyboard shortcut for pause. Or a contextual gesture (like hovering over some part of a story). Having to scroll to the top to pause is clunky
- mikepk
Weird when what you're reading wobbles because there are things going on above it - if the L&F remains, we can dub this the 'newquake' :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I worried that the new oh my god it refresh so fast kill the conversation in FF, I havn't to worry robert thread will be there as long or may be longer then ever
- abdellah
I can't WAIT until the twitter-only crowd starts bitching about all of the friendfeed meta convos that are "cluttering up" their twitter streams
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
@Thomas, thank you, thank you! I was getting dizzy just trying to read anything. I hate the fugly UI and the RT speed. Going back to Twitter, at least one can read in peace at own pace there.
- Sally Church
dave!! do you want to read your FF list in an rss reader?
- abdellah
Yeah, I have my list paused now. I think we will get used to it anyway. It is fun to watch so many different reactions in so little time.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Have to say -- the message threading is now very nice indeed. Love the automatic update of comments, too. As I typed this, a couple others came in and didn't disrupt. Sweetness. Now I need to learn about lists.
- Anthony Baker
This is really nice so far..liking the realtime comments -DMs are a great addition. Time for more exploration :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I said the same thing, but then everyone told me I gotta use Filters instead....
- Bwana ☠
Lists are king :) Also, just figured out that ROOMS ---> "FEED" - everything is a "feed" type now
- Susan Beebe
As I'm one who thinks the quality of interaction went down when lists were added, being forced to make more lists doesn't seem a positive.
- Todd Hoff
I thought the whole point of FF was that you didn't have to "learn" a lot about the interface in order to enjoy the experience. Lists kinda ruined things for me, so if that's the only way to enjoy the new FF, I guess I won't be.
- Jennifer Dittrich
David: I am using Safari as my FF client. Jennifer: that's never been true. This is a lot easier to learn than the old interface.
- Robert Scoble
This will force me to better use lists...
- Seth Meranda
The problem is using lists more actually decreases conversation IMHO. I dunno.....
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
There's also the pause button at the top of the page to stop the auto update.
- John F Morton
Yep, agreed. Learn to use lists, use filters, ya gotta learn that sooner or later. I had to do it in Facebook some time ago.
- Tom Parish
Do you have a formulas that you use for your lists?
- Ed Entrepreneur
The filters are only marginally useful. I don't see any way to filter stuff out of a feed. The options for searching/filtering seem just too basic to be any real use.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert, if this is how you've been following Friendfeed ever since you've started, you've become my personal hero. Either you have superpowers or you were born in Krypton.
- Jordi Soler
from twhirl
you need the pause button accessible from anywhere on the page. I'm 70 plus comments down on this conversation and the screen keeps pushing it down and makes the screen "jittery" to keep your eye on what you are reading. Because the screen is moving fast, you probably need 'comment' 'like' and 'hide' links on each nested conversation on anything over 30 comments
- Lou Paglia
now robert may we ask you to share with us some tip about list?!!
- abdellah
Brian: what would you like to see in filters?
- Robert Scoble
if you think the new FF is too fast, stop trying to follow Scoble's threads ;)
- Ryan Stanley
I'm gonna start on the lists :) Way too fast.
- Roberto Bonini
abdellah: you need to build lists around interests and personality types. So "noisy jerks" go in one list "quilters" go in another "posts lots of bacon" goes in another "tech geeks" goes in another. Jordi: my life has been real time for more than a year now. This takes it to a new level, though.
- Robert Scoble
I would like to see negative searching for one thing -- I want to see everything that doesn't have LOLcats in it for example.
- Brian Sullivan
we need a keyboard shortcut for pause. Would help read comments, etc
- shaun mclane
We asked for ways to better track our discussions - and now we have an improved version (due to convenient link).
- Mike Reynolds
@Brian Sullivan search for cats -lolcats should eliminate them from your results
- Ryan
robert, I was thinking like hope that some will not screw the schema of filtering, notice that when we filter using keyword some will may probably try to target some keyword in their feed title .
- abdellah
Robert - yep - this definitely is not for the faint hearted. Must be on crack to use this! LOL
- Susan Beebe
It's an interesting interface. I'll be looking to see if conversations can still occur with this type of flow.
- AJ Kohn
'welcome to my world' ha ha. i think with all the love the RS gives friendfeed on a regular basis it only made sense to improve it
- AJK
Agreed. I'm going to have to learn to make new feeds to keep using this. Also, I may have to do something to get rid of this light grey background.
- Ted Roden
I need to be able to post updates from a list if they're going to be encouraging me to use lists.
- Jesse Stay
The lists/filters system is too complicated
- DarknessFalls
The problem is that lets say a video is shared, and I'm watching the video - the page keeps going down, and I can't finish watching the video inside FriendFeed! That's not sharing, is it?
- Daniel Brusilovsky
@Daniel Good point. Perhaps they could open Videos (and similar stuff) in a modal window, allowing the content to scroll ?
- Ahsan Ali
I think if they auto-pause the UI while I'm mousing over it that might help. It wouldn't need to pause long, just a few seconds.
- Matt Griffith
I don't foresee myself being a pioneer on the new FFeed, so hoping to see some interesting articles now that the embargo time has passed
- AJK
Another suggestion on the new real-time updates. Give me keyboard shortcuts to pause the feed. Using my mouse is too slow in a fast-moving feed.
- Jesse Stay
I think the number of comments went from zero to +100 in les then 45 minutes.
- Peter van Teeseling
Ryan -- the "-lolcats" search doesn't do that from what I can tell -- it returns an empty feed. I would also like to be able to search for posts having less than a certain number of likes/comments as well as more . I would like to be able to set up searches/feeds for complex expressions ("-lolcats and -loldogs" or "-lolcats and -loldogs" from a group of people with more than 10 likes and 0 comments for instance).
- Brian Sullivan
I Can only image a multi-column FF layout...
- Greg Lato
it will happen Greg... has to... would probably actually lessen the jitter effect
- Christopher Galtenberg
I love how fast it is going. It's really real-time.
- Peter Kruit
Needs a "slow it down" toggle - maybe a slider for the speed?
- Jesse Stay
OMG! I see why you bought a separate monitor.
- Leigha Baer
or we have the option of ignoring ff just like twitter gets ignored when I tried to reciprocate even a portion of the followers
- Susan Reynolds
@Leigha: Yeah, I can definitely see the need for another monitor for this version of FF. I'm considering it myself.
- AJ Kohn
OK, Now I see how the lists work. Much easier to manage.
- Leigha Baer
FriendFeed should take that as a sign - you shouldn't *need* a second monitor to use their service.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse: I view this as a better way to access the data flow - which is what I believe FF is at the end of the day. Why not have a separate place to conduct my data queries while I do other things?
- AJ Kohn
For Twitter, the only way I listen in is via search.twitter.com or pure luck. Or via FF for that matter. I view more Twitter content on FF than on Twitter itself.
- Mike Reynolds
Brian, yeah I badly want to filter out lolcats too; -cat friends:maverickny seems to work so far
- Sally Church
Andrew Leyden is totally right. It's like IRC.
- Ian Betteridge
one of my favourite descriptions of twitter: "like IRC meets the whole world"
- Dean Whitbread
I'm sorry @scobleizer but your world must die ;)
- A. T.
I use lots of lists and filters - I'd love to TURN OFF the real-time updating, please.
- Bill Sodeman
I could use a tutorial on how to use lists but do not have the time anyway :o)
- David Gross
the new friendfeed filters are awesome. even better than friend lists.
- Mike Bruder
by the time i have made a list, this page would have vanished :)
- Tatty Gibson
I'm back home & trying to catch up with what's up with the new FriendFeed - I'm assuming it's now live?? Also, I'm not noticing things moving too fast... is that because I'm not following as many people as many of you???
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
ill admit friendfeed looks pretty damn compelling. certainly complex at first blush.
- doubledrat
Moving people from out of my home feed to a different list one at a time is extremely slow. If there's a way to move people out of a list and into a different list in bulk, I haven't found it yet.
- Chuck Baggett
Is there any way to select almost everyone on your home list and move them to a different list in one operation? (Similar to how you can checkmark hundreds of messages in Gmail and perform an operation such as tagging or archiving on all of them at one time.)
- Chuck Baggett
Yes, RTM is a superb app that deserves greater recognition. There is no sync program for my Palm Treo, but the mobile web app works great, and I also love the Gmail, Gcal, and iGoogle integration.
- Andrew Carpenter
from Alert Thingy
When i was looking for a todo list there was RTM or Hiveminder. RTM has more features but seemed harder to use and didn't have Hiveminder's braindump feature which I've found is great to just sit and hammer out tasks and then go back and organize them.
- Bryan
I liek RTM but the UI is a bit week. Hiveminder has some awesome features, but the ui is also dense and its in (gak) Perl. So it wont scale.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I keep hearing people say "if you're arguing against comments being on FriendFeed, you Just Don't Get It", but nobody's actually bothered to say /why/ comments on FF are a good thing. It's just /assumed/ to be good.
- Chris Anthony
why do the comments on FF have to be justified? Is the people who don't like them the ones who need to defend their position.
- Alejandro
I like friendfeed comments just fine and think they are vastly better than pulling in all the disaggregated comments as Allen suggests. But I hope Allen will raise some cash, hire some software developers and build the thing that he thinks is 1000x better.
- Robert Seidman
What stolen conversation? I'm of the opinion that very few blogs actually had conversation in comments section on a consistent basis in the first place.
- Shey
Shey, if your opinion is backed up by a wealth of data, doesn't that make it fact? ;-)
- Robert Seidman
Shey, do the blogs that didn't have significant comment conversation in comments have significant comment activity on FriendFeed?
- Chris Anthony
Alejandro, if anyone needs to do any justification, it's the entity making the change, and that's FriendFeed at the moment.
- Chris Anthony
Jason, yes, under this model of thinking they are. Why focus on FriendFeed in the post and the conversation? Because FriendFeed, to use Malcolm Gladwell's term, is in the process of tipping.
- Chris Anthony
Chris. Huh? FriendFeed is a service where people can talk about stuff. If people don't want to talk about stuff here, they don't have to. If people want to talk about YOUR stuff here and you don't like it because you can't control it that's not any different than people talking about your stuff at a conference where a bunch of people are chatting about it in a hallway.
- Robert Seidman
Robert, I have no idea which of my comments you're responding to. (That in itself is a limitation of FriendFeed - although really, it's a limitation of any non-threaded comment system.) Where did I talk about controlling the conversation? You're putting words in my mouth.
- Chris Anthony
Robert, I prefer to /see/ the conversation. I don't care about /controlling/ it. If we're supposed to treat FriendFeed like it's an extended conference conversation, that's one thing, and we can all relax a bit. But that's not how people are treating it - and it's not how FriendFeed is behaving.
- Chris Anthony
The more I think about it, the more I think FF could change that perception - of item comments as decentralized blog comments rather than hallway chats - by simply changing the term "comment" to "conversation" (or "converse", in the verb form under a given entry), or something similar. As it is, by this point we associate "comment" with "blog comment", which is why people are getting so riled up about it.
- Chris Anthony
Chris, if it's just a preference then just like my preference that Angelina Jolie would think I'm cuter than Brad Pitt, you're probably going to have to get over it. How is FriendFeed behaving? In a way that allows people to have conversations about something you wrote that you might not wind up seeing? <gasp>
- Robert Seidman
Robert, in the future, please read my comments before you reply to them.
- Chris Anthony
Chris, I read your comments. I disagree with you. In the future, please feel free to ignore differing opinions. That's something that actually is in your control.
- Robert Seidman
I didn't know someone owns the conversation. I'm gonna start asking for permission every time I discuss something with a friend.
- Alejandro
look at all these comments which belong on my blog! Robert, you brought up the one thing that I knew someone would say - which is that people can chat offline about my post and I can't control it. Truth is that FF can build the best tool that does exactly what I've suggested, it doesn't change anything about the interaction here at all. What it does is let the x people who aren't on...
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- Allen Stern
Allen, we'll have to agree to disagree. "Look at all these comments that belong on my blog!" I don't see them as "belonging" to your blog. I'd lean more towards "Wow, look at all these people talking about my blog, cool!"
- Robert Seidman
Robert it is cool, it just belongs across the street so that everyone can play together - i want you to see and be part of the entire conversation, not a fragmented part. And I want everyone to be part of the entire conversation - it's possible.
- Allen Stern
I agree with Peter in that I now read 99% of the blog posts I follow in GReader and comment either via Share with note in GReader (which posts to FriendFeed) or via twhirl to the post or to another shared comment.
- Jon Erickson
from twhirl
I read this and other blogs. Primarily when I see them in FriendFeed. I've stopped using an RSS reader and rarely go directly to blogs on their own anymore. Still I'm reading more blogs now than ever, including yours. Best way to get your blog read by me is have it on FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
I do, along with people that i have linked up with through FriendFeed or twitter.
- Caleb Easterwood
I would think someone would be able to come up with a way to import any friend feed discussions into their blog comments section maybe.
- jason burton
10 years? In Internet time that's like 100... Technology changes accelerate exponentially. In 10 years the internet itself and the way we access/interact with it won't be anything like it is today. Will FriendFeed be around then? I'm guessing probably not... it will have morphed or been replaced by something more useful several times by then. I don't think we have to worry about it too much, just hang on for the wild ride.
- Lindsay
2018??! LOL thats hilarious, thats like being back in 1997 and saying fellas, Friendster will rule this galaxy in 2008! (course I dont even know when friendster actually hit the web)
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Does it really matter? I mean, no one is going to take away FriendFeed if it doesn't "go mainstream" by X date. FF is just 5 (or 6?) people who are servign 100k others. Not a bad ratio - and we FF highly value the service. I'm sure things will keep getting better and better.
- Mike Reynolds
10 years is certainly pushing it BIG TIME. If it isn't in 2-3 years, it won't happen at all.
- Andrew Dobrow
Many of you have very unrealistic expectations. NOTHING reaches > 50% of the population in 2-3 years. Google may have 68% of searches, but that is certainly from less than 50% of the population (more active searchers are more likely to use Google), and that has taken 10 years and is one of the biggest successes ever.
- Paul Buchheit
+1 Like for Paul's comment. Good businesses take time to grow. Online and social makes it happen faster, but it takes time nonetheless. "Internet time" means changes can come along quickly. But it doesn't describe mainstream adoption.
- Hutch Carpenter
Let's put things in perspective. Flickr is mainstream right? They have 1.7% of internet traffic (Alexa), a very far cry from the Facebook numbers. But, people would also consider Flickr to be a success.
- Rob Diana
@Jason - That is why I brought up Flickr. They changed the idea of sharing pictures. There were several lifestreaming services launched at the same time, but there are only a few with traffic. The bigger question is whether lifestreaming catches on with the masses.
- Rob Diana
@Jason - Oh, ok. I was never comparing them so I did not get what you were saying. Forgot they were in the chart in the article.
- Rob Diana
@Jason - a couple things. 50% adoption is the Wikipedia definition of mainstream. I think 50% is too high. If 1 out of 3 people use something, I'd say that's pretty mainstream. I also don't compare FriendFeed to the automobile or the Internet directly in terms of utility. Only for comparison in terms of adoption cycles. I'd love a chart that shows MyYahoo, Google search, AOL, etc. Haven't seen that.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Rob, I don't think Flickr is designed for lifestreaming, even though a lot of early-adopter types use it that way. It's designed for photography enthusiasts to show off, and for web surfers to search for interesting photos taken by strangers. They're doing extremely well in that niche. Sharing your life using photos calls for something different. I've made OurDoings for that purpose and think it works very well. The problem I'm finding is that the early adopter phase is not optional.
- Bruce Lewis
Even on basic search there's no comparison. On Thursday evening I performed an ego search on both Summize and TweetScan, and Tweetscan missed most of the relevant tweets from the last couple of days. Granted that Twitter had its own problems during that period, but the fact remains that Summize was still able to deliver the results.
- Ontario Emperor
The way that summize keeps searching even after the page loads it great - makes it so easy to keep track of whatyou're looking for
- Colin Walker
summize is great and they have a good api as well.
- Rodney Rumford
summize is awesome indeed, i use it to catch my replies when I'm using Twitter web
- Shey
Summize had our Minnebar conversation in their top five last Sat, so they're not so dumb... :-)
- Graeme Thickins
Totally agreed. Tried to use Tweetscan the other day (it was the only Twitter search service I could remember at the time) and FAIL. Thankfully I stumbled on summize yesterday, and it's perfect!
- Jandy
from Alert Thingy
That was surprising and disappointing. I seem to remember talk of a Mac version from your video interview with the developers. Guess it was just using the Mac hardware running Windows...
- Niklas Morberg
I was crossing my fingers for a Mac version of World Wide Telescope, but no luck
- David Orban
was not that impressed with the app - especially the nav, felt sluggish to pan and zoom
- ben rogers
from twhirl
I see haters. Embrace the technology. Don't worry, you'll get a Mac version. And if it's sluggish, it may be your PC or something else.
- Mohamed J
Most dissapointing? It wont install on my Vista x64 it seems. The installer runs but I get no icon and no entry in Programs. Bummer.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl