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The company of the day is sobees, based in Switzerland. sobees is the perfect desktop companion for online social networks. You will find below an interview with François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees. All the best to them and congrats for being the startup of the day! Website: www.sobees.com. Interview with François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees Who are you? We are François Bochatay and Vincent Rithner, co-founders of sobees – my social desktop aggregator. How do you feel being the most promising ‘company of the day’ per Microsoft? BizSpark being a global network, of thousands of promising startups, we are very proud to be recognized in this way. What did you do before creating your company? François was working in the financial industry as program manager. Vincent was senior consultant at Microsoft. How did you get the idea? What s the genesis? The idea was born about 2 years ago just after WPF was released. We knew there would be a great...

Demi Moore

Ok trying out friendfeed....any suggestions?

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try streamy!!! - Alejandra Benevento

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I am trying it to. Hope you will follow me. - Charlotte Frum

Just a request; can you teach me once you've learned, I'm still learning Facebook! I'm good on twitter...lol, love ya DM - Justin Dee

Had the same idea at nearly the exact same time... Great minds... ;o) - bethany

http://friendfeed.com/adrianb... ?? :) - Adrian Burns

I love facebook. Had trouble at first but love it now. The games are fun. - Charlotte Frum

Make a theme in your settings :) FriendFeed is much better than twitter. - Sam Guzman

Yeah! Vote and RT for @BodeSunValley for cutest puppy! :) thanks! http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote... - Lauren Zondag

Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different? - Tracy Ferry

How are Demi? What are you working on? - Charlotte Frum

Oh, you will see this is way better for conversations. - Sam Guzman

trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore - antony march

It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.? - Charlotte Frum

Charlotte: Yes, anyone can read it. It's different than chat in that it doesn't dissappear. Conversations are accessible months later and with their own url. Make sense? - Sam Guzman

oh. i like this more! interaction! - Keilah Sanchez

me too, i just join this friendfeed right now! - charlene chua

Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on. - Charlotte Frum

demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :) - Keilah Sanchez

Start following people on here... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Uh!!!! Oh nevermind, I just can't...lol - Bill Heslin

Holden, considering it just posted to her twitter account, it seems like it is. - Sam Guzman

Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater. - Kimba Rudd

I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT? - Rosa

This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both - Jessica Williams

Hey Rob, I know what you mean. I wish more people would use FF. Too bad it just got bought by Facebook! - Sam Guzman

like it - antony march

yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles - Jessica Williams

Demi, Welcome to FF and all the new FF'rs in this thread, Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for some great starter tips. Oh and listen to Holden...He is the God of FF :) - Bill Heslin

Thanks Bill !! checking it out now :) - Jessica Williams

I thought you would like that Holden :) - Bill Heslin

i don't get this? - Tina Haight

what don't you get Tina? - Rob Sellen :o)

What makes me laugh is that everyone is loving friendfeed all of a sudden, when it's been around for like two years, as awesome as ever. No one knew about it though! I really think it could have been a Twitter killer if the right people joined. - Sam Guzman

i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who - Tina Haight

Really this was around 2 years ago? - Jessica Williams

You are right Sam... it WILL be too... if it stays..IF faceache don't drop it that is ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

is demi seeing this right now? i don't get it. lol - Tina Haight

she can see this if she is watching it - Jessica Williams

so it's just like a chat room? - Tina Haight

tina.. what you mean? - Rob Sellen :o)

Sam, I think all the tweets that generated from here about the Facebook buyout is bringing more people in now. Unfortunately as we know, it's a little too late..but we are going to hang in there... :) - Bill Heslin

NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter? - Jessica Williams

Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing - Jessica Williams

This is great i love this lol - Jessica Williams

i just got here 16 min ago i have demi and ashton since that is how i got here through her twitter - Jessica Williams

jessica... Tina... sub to me.. oh.. just saw holden post.. and him ;o) then just ask if ya get lost. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Im working on it kk - Jessica Williams

Real time rocks...Oh shit...I can't keep banging the drum! Or can I? LOL sure I can.... - Bill Heslin

how to sub.. hover over our names... use the pop up.. - Rob Sellen :o)

how do i find my friend list - Lynn

ok ok im subin im subin !! - Jessica Williams

now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things. - Nita Wertz Ernst

lynn.. do you sub to anyone yet? - Rob Sellen :o)

k rob thanks i got it woots i subbed !!! - Jessica Williams

yes several - Lynn

but there is no list like twitter - Lynn

Welcome - Alejandro

Ok folks, the difference between friend feed and a chat room is that a chatroom doesn't aggregate all your social media activity. friendfeed pulls in your activity from a bunch of social media sites, like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. but also provides the functionality of twitter and a chat room. So basically it's your social media life on steroids. Very powerful. - Sam Guzman

Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends... - Rob Sellen :o)

demi?!?! lol - Tina Haight

thanks rob & Holden I'll try that - Lynn

Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com. - SecretRegrets

Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol - Jessica Williams

I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help - Lynn

piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

hmmm - Sparkles

she could be reading and learning like the rest of us - Lynn

jessica... yeah.. but wit till she pops in.. she will go..WTF!!!!! how the hell.. hang on.. why are all these people chatting!!! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

didn't facebook purchase or absorb friendfeed?? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

in real time...lol.... - Rob Sellen :o)

lol Rob - Jessica Williams

no kidding - Jessica Williams

mercedes.. yes, they did.. two nights ago - Rob Sellen :o)

how do you block or hide spam - Lynn

Jessica.. you can also send replies to the tweets to titter from here... - Rob Sellen :o)

Yup figured that out already thanks :) - Jessica Williams

lynn.. to block him.. CLICK his name.. block ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Engage other people in conversation. Best advice I can give. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from fftogo

Lynn. You will not find too much Spam on FF - Bill Heslin

That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I really wish we could get a bunch of celebs on here and keep friendfeed from disappearing! - Sam Guzman

i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah - Tina Haight

done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun - Lynn

EVERYONE who follows her who is on here.. should tweet http://bit.ly/8dSsK << that to her ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

What's the difference between this and twitter?? - Annette Baldwin

real time - Jessica Williams

And yea i was really hoping to just say hello to her i hope she pops on soon - Jessica Williams

OOHHH thanks - Annette Baldwin

annete... apples and pips... lol apples being this place ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

sry holden didnt mean to step on ur toes :) - Jessica Williams

yep he gone - Lynn

Im on here now too! - Samantha Scheideler

anyone gonna TWEET that link to her??? - Rob Sellen :o)

welcome Samantha ! - Jessica Williams

Well, this should be interesting... - Michael McKean

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< tweet it... - Rob Sellen :o)

Thanks jessica williams - Samantha Scheideler

:) ^5 to u holden - Jessica Williams

Blamedrewscancer.com - pls spread the word - Liza

are there any size limits to the characters typed? - Lynn

Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow! - Martha

Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way. - Samantha Scheideler

lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand - Lynn

yes merc.. - Rob Sellen :o)

GREAT - @drew is on here, but I am spreading the word as long as he is not on the thread. I #blamedrewscancer that he is missing this. - Liza

huh? - Tina Haight

rob s and holden !got it thanks - what else is there to know? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

No i havent only Demi Moore. I literally just started this im learning how to use it still. - Samantha Scheideler

I don't believe it is Demi. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

don't believe what is demi? her twitter? - Tina Haight

Robert: it posted to her twitter account.. - Sam Guzman

this is Demi :) - Jessica Williams

lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Either Demi is reading the FF beginners group, or she just hasn't figured out how to read FF yet, and doesn't see all this wonderful Real time conversation that can't happen on Twitter..But anyway, back to my regular feed have fun everyone. Any questions...Just ask Holden LOL - Bill Heslin

it is her.... i knowe for a fact - Samantha Scheideler

OK I believe! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

She brought us all here from Twitter - Jessica Williams

and then abandoned us. haha - Tina Haight

ha.. Robert is.. wrong.. (for once he would argue) ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I know :( but im sure she had a reason i imagine she is a busy woman - Jessica Williams

The biggest user on FF - Sam Guzman

will do! - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

lol i know right. just like ashton jsut posted on twitter and i responded to somthing he aid and nothig yet - Samantha Scheideler

Uhm, where is the Friendfeed crew - wish they would chime in since they got the payday. - Liza

Holden... don't tell them that... its Alex... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I just had a great dinner in San Antonio - Robert Scoble from iPhone

liza... they are all users here... - Rob Sellen :o)

oops sorry for all the typos i have acrylics on - Samantha Scheideler

What you have then Robert? - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort. - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< post that to her on twitter - Rob Sellen :o)

Aww Chad that wasnt nice at all - Jessica Williams

Agreed Jessica...Chad Boo!!!! :) It takes time to get it...give her a chance.. - Bill Heslin

Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk - Jessica Williams

Robert, do you think we can save FF??? - Sam Guzman

Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls - Liza

Welcome! - Stephan Miller

ignore ppl who say go back to Twitter - Liza

Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action. - Gtp19

liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari - Liza

Later Holden... - Bill Heslin

yep spammers don't last round here - Lynn

Yes, try Streamy..... - Janet Fouts

I'm leaving too. I hope Demi comes back and sees how fun FF can be. Bye everyone! - Sam Guzman

thanks Holden - Lynn

and to do that use the link in the top bar on this page... email is direct too.. ;o) yeah you can post a DM from your email too.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

what is streamy? - Tina Haight

LIZA.. can I have a go on your atari? :P - Rob Sellen :o)

tina.. http://streamy.com ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

sounds dirty, lol - Tina Haight

Rob - you can,but you have not been an ass to me. - Liza

Tina - dirty is fun. - Liza

Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty. - Liza

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here - Rob Sellen :o)

lol Liza.. thanks... :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

i don't know, rob, my husband and friends make fun of me when i tweet @ celebrities. hhaha - Tina Haight

LOOK at all this thread... how many comments... in less than 45 mins... - Rob Sellen :o)

Everyone makes fun of me, ignore it - Liza

Tina.. we just want to OPEN her eyes.... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Greetings new FriendFeed users. Welcome to the playground. - Robert Kenney

WTH, Demi might as well save friendfeed from closing.. bring back demi. - Gtp19

Hey Demi..I just signed up for FriendFeed the other night. Not sure what to think about it either... hmmm - Melisa

so.. who needs people subbing to them???? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Robert, I don't either. - Martha

so how do I tweet it to her from here? - Lynn

Its quite funny either way. True or not. - Matt G

go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is... - Rob Sellen :o)

Beginners can find help here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and feel free to ask anyone! - Robert Kenney

I don't know, just gonna feel it out..... - Brenda Erdman Velasquez

done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though - Lynn

Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page... - Rob Sellen :o)

The key to FriendFeed is following me. :) - Andrew

She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;) - Keith - @tsudo

It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets. - Robert Scoble

ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in - Lynn

Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier. - Robert Kenney

It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Subscribe to Holden. - Gus

Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here.. - Rob Sellen :o)

thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha - Lynn

Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi! - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< IF more of you tweeted that to her with @herusername she may take notice... - Rob Sellen :o)

Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter. - Manuel Mas

It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF! - Matt G

Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here. - professor daddyo

Everyone's new at some point. The more the better. - Robert Kenney

lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged. - Robert Scoble

Steve: that's what I meant to say! lol - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

I like old people. - Michael McKean

oh demi- it would make my night if you said something on here to us. :) - Tina Haight

I agree.. but then, how many actually click her links... not many i bet. - Rob Sellen :o)

hmmm. can't wait here all night, demi! - Tina Haight

Scoble: engage, engage, engage. That to me is the point, which is very attractive about FF. Might I add connection? - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

start adding all your other social accounts (if you have any), that's the real kick to friendfeed (at least for me), an all in one feed - Gubatron

welcome chad, we like that much better - Lynn

Well I was hoping she would talk with us. Oh well. - Ben Hanten

Robert Scoble: Most Tweets aren't very... engaging! :) - Steve Lynch from twhirl

anyone watch big brother? - Tina Haight

nope hells kitchen - Lynn

NO.. not that shit bb.. not on here lol - Rob Sellen :o)

oh i love hells kitchen too - Tina Haight

leave big brother on twitter eh... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I saw that Rob :) - Mattb4rd

haha! but it's such a great show. and i am still excited about tonight's show. ;) - Tina Haight

welcome. where is ashton? :P - Oğuz Serdar

we don't need bb crap here .. I get away from tv and twitter to escape it!!! - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi just posted to twitter I tried to tell her we were all waiting for her but... - Lynn

we don't need ashton either ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

getting a little testie arent we - Lynn

Ashton is here http://friendfeed.com/theateam - Matt G

I think they come as a set - Lynn

lol - Lynn

no... I am just sayng.. both in one night would crash the place lol... if they started using it that is... - Rob Sellen :o)

Ashton was on the Dan Patrick Show today and was hilarious. Gained a bunch of new respect for him. - Ben Hanten

They could not crash FF....FF FTW.... - Bill Heslin

haha they do generate a bit of traffic - Lynn

Ashton's FF account is a twitter dump...no engagement...Damn..I got sucked back into this conversation again...lol - Bill Heslin

I didn't like the way he did things at twitter at all... told him as much too.. - Rob Sellen :o)

i'm not gonna lie- i'm a pretty big deal too. - Tina Haight

ok i'm lying. - Tina Haight

ark at you tina... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

;) i DO have 88 followers on twitter. on my way to the million mark - Tina Haight

wow.. :o) doing good... follow that many on here tonight and see what the power of this place is like ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I never had heard of it before but I'm trying now. Is it fairly new? - Barry Winters from iPhone

lol - Lynn

barry.. no... not so new..as much as sold..lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

suggestions? Yeah start chatting back while you still just have 175 subscribers :D - BairdWilliamson

Welcome to all the new visitors. Barry, this is about 18 months old, but lots of new features were turned on recently. - Robert Scoble

alright- i am giving up hope on demi coming. have been staring at a computer screen all day and night for work. - Tina Haight

night everyone! - Tina Haight

night nice chatting - Lynn

What?! The Scobelizer is a doubter as well? Tack it on to the list... - iamkhayyam

Yeah, welcome to all... :o) any problems you only have to ask..ask ANYONE lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I'm not a doubter anymore! :-) - Robert Scoble

nice meeting you tina.. night. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Haha! There you go... she's Verified :) - iamkhayyam

make a group, add all your favorite sites. - Tyson

What do you mean, Demi, "any suggestions?" What are you looking for? And why aren't you engaging, er, talking with us here? - Robert Scoble

lmao..... good one robert.. shame she missed it happen in real time lol :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

lol - Gtp19

Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-) - Karma Martell

Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here? - .LAG liked that

this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already? - Rex Gradeless

This is just too cool. - Sherrie Belken

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << RT that in reply to her... see if she gets to see it at least ONE bloody time lol... - Rob Sellen :o)

It seems she doesn't care the comments. - Oğuz Serdar

perhaps just not aware they are here ... - Tom Horn

Engaging?! Seriously Scoble? Haha... that's a funny one. One msg on FriendFeed and then she's off for some Kabbalah teachings. - iamkhayyam

probably Demi doesn like to be part of comments, rather she likes to make the headlines, i mean the posts, lol :D - Gtp19

+1 Robert - Robert Kenney

ok gettin mean now gotta go - Lynn

LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm> - tehKenny, Dork

Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen - Lynn

Hahah! ++1000 tehKenny - Bill Heslin

Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on. - April Russo (app103)

yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!! - Gtp19

Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr? - Ciaoenrico

while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol - Rob Sellen :o)

#love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love - iconic88

April: That makes sense - Matt G

Welcome indeed. You should add more of your feeds to your FF account - Vinko

sub to some of the others here in this thread.. you all get to learn this place together then... - Rob Sellen :o)

Maybe she's thinking how on earth she's meant to keep up with the comments, posting from her blackberry/iphone/othermobiledevice :P - 1x29

@April That could be it. FF in Helvetica mode is hypnotic ... - Tom Horn

Thanks for that @iconic88 :) Always a good reminder... #love is all there is :) - iamkhayyam

Welcome to FF! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC

lol @ Tom - Gtp19

Thank you iconic88 - Sherrie Belken

FF in any mode is hypnotic. I haven't been able to pull myself away for many months. - April Russo (app103)

OK, predictions on how many comments this post will top out at? I'm going for 2,000. - 1x29

Hmm .. no , I think we are done. This is probably the last one ... - Tom Horn

Now everyone isl just staring waiting for Demi to comment :p - Gary Gannon

More points if you guess the number of posts before Demi makes a comment :) - 1x29

lol - Sherrie Belken

nah...plenty more will come later when everyone else sees it in best of day. - April Russo (app103)

and if she happens to engage it'll explode - Gary Gannon

yeah, its jus warming up... plenty more to come. - Gtp19

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << could tweet her that link.. its this THREAD .. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde

Kim: Look through the thread. There's lots of advice. - Christopher A Carr

Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina...You are one of the best Ambassadors for FF..Well said - Bill Heslin

That's the whole deal Tina - Sherrie Belken

Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde

Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool. - Sherrie Belken

PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode* - Dennis Jernberg

Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage. - Dana Fosburgh

My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

i like this so far.. - wendy smith

A good suggestion - Sherrie Belken

Learn from the master. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

'Crickets' - Robert Kenney

sheesh... her subs are crap... subbing mainly to people who never use the place??? - Rob Sellen :o)

That was just imported - Sherrie Belken

Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically. - Dennis Jernberg

was also useless lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =) - SashaKane

If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously. - Danny Groveman

thats what I wanted - Sherrie Belken

Can be overwhelmed by Scobles feed at times..not ideal for a new user.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Hi. Welcome to FriendFeed. - Steven Perez

DYDMoore than steve perez. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Welcome to FriendFeed, Demi! I will definitely be sure to subscribe to you here! - Thomas Ward

comment, like, share! - Sean Oliver

+1 Sean ...that's really FF in a nuthsell! - .LAG liked that

never take it too seriously, always keep a sense of humor with FriendFeed - sofarsoShawn

started using friendfeed recently. i love the imaginary friends feature - Patricio Rocha

*waves Link FF with Tumblr ...I love pictures in my feeds. PEACE! - Rich Weaver

Hi!! :) - Susan Beebe from iPhone

This is post is why FriendFeed had to sell their goods Facebook. I am now convinced. Geek mob rule. - Alex C. Williams

Hello Demi ❤ Glad to see you here! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions - Allison Warnock

what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users. - Carlos Ayala

Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure. - Sherrie Belken

Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!.. - Timsah memet

just play around D and you'll figure it out - Thomas Power

She still not been back then?? - Rob Sellen :o)

ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed - Laurel howard

I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : ( - Rose

Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies - Robert Higgins

So many replies that aren't very welcoming don't help matters either. - pea

In reality all we've gained by Demi Moore's brief appearance is a number of celebrity stalkers hoping to cut her off at one more cyber pass and get the one reply they're living their lives for. The best demonstration yet of Scobles 'who you follow, defines you'? - 1x29

demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did! - JNez

Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O - Rob Schieber

Nope: http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... Open at your peril. - Steven Perez from IM

Yes, Scoble has had 385 comments on FF. His post just this week re: FF geeks got over 1200. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Start by subbing to the peeps who comment on this thread. - Thom Kennon

Scoble has a thread from this week re FF addicts that i think has 1500 comments and counting. - Thom Kennon

yeah @Robert Higgins, Kawasaki kindasorta just disappeared pretty quickly didn't he?... - Thom Kennon

a few said he would tho... no surprise to see them ignoring the threads... daft really, why bother even starting one.... - Rob Sellen :o)

Like, share, follow and be merry. Welcome. - Jim Goldstein from iPhone

FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome... - Bette Cooper

I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions. - Robert Scoble

Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment. - Amy℠

we say +1 amy ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

i dont get this - Lin Hill

bye - Lin Hill

bye - Daniel J. Pritchett

Do you have any specific questions, Lin? - Christopher A Carr

i dont know how to do this - Lin Hill

You can sort of think of it as Twitter + a searchable, multimedia chatroom, that aggregates your web activity. You can have FF pull in your Youtube favorites, Amazon wish list, etc... - Christopher A Carr

oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all - Lin Hill

Try the friendfeed bookmarklet: http://friendfeed.com/share... - There's a short video tutorial. - Christopher A Carr

ok thanks, i will try that - Lin Hill

Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this. - Justin Korn

ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door - Lin Hill

Lin: How do you use Twitter? - Christopher A Carr

just follow people and comment now and then, thats all - Lin Hill

Lin: I ask, because you are essentially tweeting with multiple people right now, without having to use @... - Christopher A Carr

FF has *really* good search. Look for content that interests you. Comment and like, and people will subscribe to you... - Christopher A Carr

Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore! - Lin Hill

Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something. - Outsanity

whos kim k - Lin Hill

Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Imagine if Twitter included video and pictures in Tweets, and provided you with a threaded conversation to discuss your tweets... well, that's what you have here -- and that's just the beginning. - Christopher A Carr

i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out? - Lin Hill

Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late. - Amani

Click on your name in the upper right hand corner, Lin. - Christopher A Carr

it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that - Lin Hill

That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

And can you imagine people helping you like this on Twitter? ;-) - Christopher A Carr

Oh, and try out different themes.. - Christopher A Carr

half the people i`m subscribed too i didnt even choose!! whats that about?? - Lin Hill

Never drink and FriendFeed at the same time - Outsanity

i didnt subscribe to red nose day!! - Lin Hill

Do you follow them on Twitter? - Christopher A Carr

not all of them, just a few - Lin Hill

Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead - Lin Hill

FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board! - Nia from fftogo

This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble - Outsanity

You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

7k if I recall. wait! why am I commenting on this? .p - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

خانم دمی مور استریپ تیز دو رو کی بازی میکنید ؟؟ - مـــــــــمد

Haha. Funny Franc. Thats what I thought when I wrote my comment ... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I doubt she'll participate in this post now - Mac Sharp

Welcome! - Andrea Contino

friendfeed is now part of facebook :) - gareth - MMX Edition

Welcome, where is Ashton xD? - Francisco Espinoza from BuddyFeed

FriendFeed has gone mainstream :o - Nicholas James

@Nicholas And soon, Friendfeed will go offline! - Ethan

Philipp Lenssen

Friendfeed 2018 - http://blogoscoped.com/friendf...

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Why is Twitter shutting down in 2012? - Steve Rubel

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Plus it will have lots more (Google) Services added to it :-) - Martin Rix (Mrrix32)

@Steve I don't think it means Twitter is shutting down. I think it means Twitter will bar FriendFeed from using its feed ;-) - Rubin Sfadj

This is too kewl - Peter Dawson

Hilarious - may all come to pass before 2018. - Todd McKinney

Love it. But 2018? I'd except to be able to get Friend.com directly through the HUD in my flying car by then... Only silversurfers (like us) would still use "web browsers" in 2018. - Tony Ruscoe

Twitter feed not available? That may come to pass at 10:30. - Bill Bittner

And what's up with "low karma comments"? I thought the karma thing left us in the seventies... but yes, everything comes on cycles... - Alex von Halem

awesome. - Tobias Boonstoppel

You've got the Google thing backwards :) - Paul Buchheit

Hey, I just noticed I'm in the screenshot. :D @Paul: ? What's backwards, where? - Voyagerfan5761

Actually, it missed one important thing - a HUGE ad, taking up the top half of the screen, for a substance that is just as effective as Viagra (which was banned in 2011). - Ontario Emperor

I think Paul's saying that in 2018 ff will own google - j1m

It's comforting that hitting monkeys will still be as popular in 2018 as they are now. - Ginger Makela Riker

One thing they got wrong: by 2012, Paul will have started his own country southwest of Alaska on an artificial island. It'll be called Free Festivusland, and it'll get the top-level domain “ff”. FriendFeed will then be http://ff/ — no dots or coms or nets or orgs. - Amit Patel

@Amit P. ROFL .. very funny - Steven Hodson

@Jason lol :D - Voyagerfan5761

I think the web will be voice and audio driven in 10 years, or at least it will be available. There's even some startup now that can sense nerve pulses to the vocal chords to know what you'll say before you actually say it. - Mike Reynolds

I think comments won't be replaced by nested commented, just like @ in twitter, many people like this. - terababy

Mike Reynolds, now I'm scared. Very scared. I'll get myself in trouble before I actually hear what I'm saying (rather than after). - Ontario Emperor

For some reason, the Facebook deal makes this future user interface look more likely. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Burak Budak

Twitter Uygulamaları Yazı Dizisi: Masaüstü Uygulamaları « Erhan Erdoğan - http://www.erhanerdogan.com.tr/2009...

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Arama, İstatistik ve Trend kategorisinden sonra kullanıcıların Twitter’ı daha verimli kullanabilmelerini sağlayan Masaüstü Uygulamaları kategorisindeki uygulamalardan bir liste yaptık. - Burak Budak from Bookmarklet

bDule uyulamasını yapanların bunu gibi 2 güzel uygulaması daha var. http://www.sobees.com/download bu adresten mutlaka inceleyin derim. - Burak Budak

Reklam olmuşum :) Masaüstü uygulamalarınan haz almıyorum, FF için twitterfox derim. - ~MiM~

Sarah Perez

Sobees Goes Silverlight, Delivers the Real-Time Web to your Browser - http://on10.net/blogs...

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Svartling

Seesmic and Sobees Finally Join The Browser-Based Twitter Game - I use PeopleBrowsr - http://www.blackweb20.com/2009...

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"Most of the popular desktop clients for Twitter and other social media services use Adobe AIR, which takes resource usage to a whole different level. Both clients are nice to look at, but lacking a lot in the feature department. This is painfully clear in comparison to other clients already in this space like Tweetvisor and PeopleBrowsr, but both Sobees and Seesmic are alpha software and we should expect new features to be added soon." PeopleBrowsr is awesome! Knowledge: http://kb.clipotech.com/pbrowsr - Svartling from Bookmarklet

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What about TweekDeck? - John Apps

TweetDeck does not have a web app. Only AIR. This post is about web apps. Web Apps is better. - Svartling

Try PeopleBrowsr, you will not regret it :) http://my.peoplebrowsr.com/ - Svartling

If you think it's overwhelming, try "Lite" mode. - Svartling

http://bit.ly/bwTwt (expand) (expand) Förstöra oprativ system på löpande band i "psykopatisk" anda http://ff.im/5dinI http://ff.im/5dmFd - m00ns

m00ns: Ehh ok.. I don't get it. What has this to do with Twitter Web Apps? - Svartling

Louis Gray

Sobees Beats Seesmic to Browser-Based Twitter/Facebook/Real-Time Search Client - http://www.centernetworks.com/sobees-...

July 10 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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By a week? - Francine Hardaway

Allen Stern

HOT news - Sobees Beats Seesmic to Browser-Based Twitter/Facebook/Real-Time Search Client - http://www.centernetworks.com/sobees-...

July 10 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Scoble - would love your thoughts on this one - Allen Stern

Sharon McPherson to Sharon's feed, Twitter Apps, Appetite, Twitter

I think I'm in love!! sobees – your social desktop aggregator. http://link.brightcove.com/service...

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http://www.sobees.com/en... - Sharon McPherson

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Sharon, looks interesting, will try it later. - Kol Tregaskes

Sharon, have you received your confirmation email yet? I'm still waiting. :-( - Kol Tregaskes

Unfortunately Kol, I'm unable to use this because of my archaic Windows 2000 OS. - Sharon McPherson

I'm just downloading and trying it. Looks interesting although it requires .NET 3.5 so it will likely be as much of a memory hog as most AIR apps. - Kenton

tried this today, and my biggest complaint is that it seemed to insist on using IE to open items. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

second complaint was the response time...very slow. - I Did like the RSS feeds in it. but that's not enough to give up my PeopleBrowsr. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Installing now. On the face of it, this looks like exactly what I'm looking for. - Todd Brunner from twhirl

Ah, shame, Sharon. Rob, really? That's pants! :-( - Kol Tregaskes

really cool thing! - nuxdie from twhirl

Kol: yes I played with it for a while, and didn't see the means to change it (and IE is certainly not my default browser!) Though this app looks like it could be cool, the .NET and Microsoft reliance are not for me. I thought on first run that the interface needed work. I liked the design layout and the multi-network connectivity, but it seemed to have been missing a lot of the features... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

wow that demo is really impressive but from what rob has to say i have to agree that id stick to peoplebrowsr for now. need to read up more on this, looks exciting - Freddie Benjamin

using this thing now! - nuxdie from twhirl

I retried this app, and it did not use my IE. Very weird. I haven't figured out what makes it use the one browser instead of the other. It was a pretty nice app, but I still think that it needs some work to be ready for the big time. Basicall there's nothing in sobees that's not in PeopleBrowsr BUT it's considerably less complicated than PB's advanced mode. The sobees response time was still not very good on my second run. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

IMO, For more casual users this application may be a nice solution. If you aren't a power-tweeter, and want an integrated "social desktop" application, give this a try. If you're more of a power user I would recommend PeopleBrowsr. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Finally gave PeopleBrowsr a whirl on the strength of Rob's endorsements. Wow. It's TweetDeck done better! - Kathy Fitch

Kathy: In Lite mode it is exactly that. In Advanced mode, it's a complete "Social Desktop" (And Thanks! ) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Kol - Switched from Sobees to BDule ... Much more stable under Win 7 here - Charlie Anzman

bdule is only a small part of the sobees application. useful, but not the full experience by any stretch. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Hmm. Guess I am too old to figure out how to make it all work...Seems a bit overwhelming! - John Apps

No linux no party - Giulio Ardoino

The light version is faster, more stable and no log-in necessary - Charlie Anzman

Tried it for a while, but stopped. I found it way too slow to be useful. - Kenton

Charlie: When you say light version you mean the bDule version? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

i install this but is giving me an error because it won't start (application say that there is one process that needs to be made...) how can i solve. - Laurentiu

my suspicion is that you don't have .NET 3.5 properly installed. I've also noticed that exiting the application once running will not necessarily clear all of its processes out of active memory. A false start may leave the partial set running. You may need to use the task manager to end any associated processes (or reboot if that is easier) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Shame its not available for the mac :( - James Ketchell

Charlie, is BDule just for Twitter and FB? - Kol Tregaskes

Corvida

What Apps Are You Tweeting With?- http://blog.mrtweet.net/the-per...

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Tweetie - on iPhone for ages, and on the Mac for all of 2.something days :) - Patrick Jordan

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tweetie on iphone and desktop, also tweetgrid - Wayne Sutton

it depends on what I am tweeting, Feedly to tweet from my RSS reader, bit.ly when tweeting links. use Peoplebrowsr & Nambu to read and reply to tweets and now trying to use Freindfeed to reply and interact with others - zsafwan 

Tweetdeck on the computer and Twikini on the phone. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

FF or Tweetvisor, and fiddling around with Seesmic. Edit: Feedly too, but it feeds stuff to FF so ... - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

tweetie on the desktop and the iphone, feedly for sharing pages. - Edwin Khodabakchian

http://proxifeed.com - expert20

twhirl and tweetdeck on my desktop, checking out Sobees and Skimmer, looking both nice - Sebastian Valmont from twhirl

More and more Friendfeed. But trying and liking Tweetie on the Mac and iPhone. - Tom Landini

Nambu on the iPhone has taken me a way from Tweetie - George Dearing

Corvida

OMG Have you seen the new Sobees desktop aggregator?! http://www.youtube.com/watch...

OMG Have you seen the new Sobees desktop aggregator?! http://bit.ly/W0O2e

April 13 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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i'm trying it out now - pretty cool, though i feel like my desktop has just been totally consumed! - Morgan

Robert Scoble

I love it. Everyone is complaining that friendfeed is going too fast. Welcome to my world! Now, learn to use lists!

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yea not sure about this.. it's basically "real time view" with a better UI - andy brudtkuhl

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This is awesome! I need to start following more people NOW! - Lise

I'm trying it based on your recommendation. So far, so good! - Denise Polivy

Wow it moves real fast - coze

It's like IRC now. - Andrew Leyden

And there's always that Pause button up there to slow things down - Craig Eddy

Can I drag people to lists yet? That'd make it easier to organize. - Jordan Hofker

Hee hee, it's like being turned into a pinball! - Mark Dykeman

too awesome - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

If it's too fast, you're too old. - Justin Doub

Why use lists when the people I subscribe to are the ones I want to see? Only reason i have lists is to see specific people that I like to follow and catch up with at the end of the day. Kind of like RSS. - CW™

no one likes change ,, change is inevitable .. - johnpiercy

It's going to make HIDE much more important. - Andrew Leyden

wow! this is crazy cool - patrick

the list options create great filters. - Peter van Teeseling

FriendFeed as the same potencial than Diigo and the same problem: not easy to use... - António Teixeira

How dare you tell me how to use FriendFeed! (Except that you're right, of course; time to address my lists usage.) - Akiva Moskovitz

I think that we have to introduce segmentation in our reading :) it is fun and exciting :) - abdellah

I would like the icons back saying what type of service the post is from...possibly in the bottom right corner of the avatars. - Paul Arterburn

My parents will hate how active the page is - the next generation, who go at the pace of Wall-E, will eat it up - Christopher Galtenberg

haha, yeah I need to up my game in the lists - haven't had to use - but now I will. But I love it! - Tony

That's dangerous. Lists require lots of thought, work, organization. If there's one thing we know from running Grazr, people do not want to do that (well most non-organization obsessed people). I think essentially forcing the use of lists is a big mistake for broader adoption. - mikepk

I suspect people will trim their subscribe list, while they adjust - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Or the pause button! - Paul Jacobson

so what's the first thing to do that's going to slow this down? - Todd Jordan

I don't mind the speed, but I think there are more elegant things they could do with the UI during live updates (ie: fading to/from colors) and of course letting the user control speed of updates and UI effects. - Ryan Stanley

when he name list, it mean filtering :) - abdellah

Hmm... a few rooms (feeds now?) I created seem to be missing or just not easy to find. Will check out the tour to see if I'm missing something - Dave Ferrick

the one problem with the speed is that what you are scanning suddenly jumps off the page. perhaps a way to "pin" what you are reading temporarily... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

woah neddy.....wouldn't tabs for search terms in the main page be a good idea... - Paul Fabretti

Yikes, is there a pause button somewhere? - Sally Church

This mega-threaded replies really do float to the top. - Andrew Leyden

I guess your world sucks then. - Brian Sullivan

I feel a bit like @scobleizer now. - Mike Reynolds

pause button in upper right corner on blue strip. - Thomas Hawk

+Joelle I think I'm benefiting by having relied on FOAF a lot more than subscribe to everyone interesting. - Micah Wittman

pause top right || - Andrew Leyden

@Sally yes - Ryan Stanley

Sally, Pause icon in top blue bar, right side. - Micah Wittman

i think we'll get used to it. I already use lists, but still it's the motion of what you are reading that is tricky - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

So is this just live in the BETA area or is it going live system wide today? - Andrew Leyden

it's amazing to see the comments pooring in here. - Peter van Teeseling

needs a keyboard shortcut for pause. Or a contextual gesture (like hovering over some part of a story). Having to scroll to the top to pause is clunky - mikepk

Wow, the likes pop up fast! - Steve Rubel

Weird when what you're reading wobbles because there are things going on above it - if the L&F remains, we can dub this the 'newquake' :) - Christopher Galtenberg

I worried that the new oh my god it refresh so fast kill the conversation in FF, I havn't to worry robert thread will be there as long or may be longer then ever - abdellah

Andrew: just in beta area. - Robert Scoble

Oh... the room I created is now under Subscriptions. Okay... - Dave Ferrick

love your new avatar!!!! - B.L. Ochman

wow, love the way the comments roll in...Robert, is your video up? good tips in it? - Richard Binhammer

Pop Up! - Jeff Stannard

I can't WAIT until the twitter-only crowd starts bitching about all of the friendfeed meta convos that are "cluttering up" their twitter streams - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

@Thomas, thank you, thank you! I was getting dizzy just trying to read anything. I hate the fugly UI and the RT speed. Going back to Twitter, at least one can read in peace at own pace there. - Sally Church

Lists are the only way to fly, it seems. :) - ha3rvey (wants confit)

The world is a river... - Marcelo Nobrega

I use lists but for a completely different purpose. - Brian Sullivan

Hey Scoble, which desktop client do you use for FF? - David Alfaro

LISTS are the only sane way to manage FriendFeed. I've had to learn that once I past a 1,000 subscriptions - Susan Beebe

what happened to the block button - Russ Jackson

I want an RSS feed for a list - Dave Ferrick

dave!! do you want to read your FF list in an rss reader? - abdellah

It pays to be a newbie right now I guess. The speed is to slow. I actually appreciate it being slow right now, gives me a chance to better understand it - Russ Jackson

Yeah, I have my list paused now. I think we will get used to it anyway. It is fun to watch so many different reactions in so little time. - Carlos Lorenzo

Have to say -- the message threading is now very nice indeed. Love the automatic update of comments, too. As I typed this, a couple others came in and didn't disrupt. Sweetness. Now I need to learn about lists. - Anthony Baker

This is really nice so far..liking the realtime comments -DMs are a great addition. Time for more exploration :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I said the same thing, but then everyone told me I gotta use Filters instead.... - Bwana ☠

Lists are king :) Also, just figured out that ROOMS ---> "FEED" - everything is a "feed" type now - Susan Beebe

Your green aura frightens me, Mr.Grinch. - Terence

As I'm one who thinks the quality of interaction went down when lists were added, being forced to make more lists doesn't seem a positive. - Todd Hoff

I thought the whole point of FF was that you didn't have to "learn" a lot about the interface in order to enjoy the experience. Lists kinda ruined things for me, so if that's the only way to enjoy the new FF, I guess I won't be. - Jennifer Dittrich

David: I am using Safari as my FF client. Jennifer: that's never been true. This is a lot easier to learn than the old interface. - Robert Scoble

This will force me to better use lists... - Seth Meranda

You are the Captain Ahab of social media, Robert. ;-) - Chris Baskind

Hehe really fastt :) - Alp

The problem is using lists more actually decreases conversation IMHO. I dunno..... - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

There's also the pause button at the top of the page to stop the auto update. - John F Morton

Yep, agreed. Learn to use lists, use filters, ya gotta learn that sooner or later. I had to do it in Facebook some time ago. - Tom Parish

Do you have a formulas that you use for your lists? - Ed Entrepreneur

The filters are only marginally useful. I don't see any way to filter stuff out of a feed. The options for searching/filtering seem just too basic to be any real use. - Brian Sullivan

Robert, if this is how you've been following Friendfeed ever since you've started, you've become my personal hero. Either you have superpowers or you were born in Krypton. - Jordi Soler from twhirl

you need the pause button accessible from anywhere on the page. I'm 70 plus comments down on this conversation and the screen keeps pushing it down and makes the screen "jittery" to keep your eye on what you are reading. Because the screen is moving fast, you probably need 'comment' 'like' and 'hide' links on each nested conversation on anything over 30 comments - Lou Paglia

now robert may we ask you to share with us some tip about list?!! - abdellah

Brian: what would you like to see in filters? - Robert Scoble

if you think the new FF is too fast, stop trying to follow Scoble's threads ;) - Ryan Stanley

I'm gonna start on the lists :) Way too fast. - Roberto Bonini

Any way to pause on an individual user's page? - Aaron Fowler

abdellah: you need to build lists around interests and personality types. So "noisy jerks" go in one list "quilters" go in another "posts lots of bacon" goes in another "tech geeks" goes in another. Jordi: my life has been real time for more than a year now. This takes it to a new level, though. - Robert Scoble

I would like to see negative searching for one thing -- I want to see everything that doesn't have LOLcats in it for example. - Brian Sullivan

we need a keyboard shortcut for pause. Would help read comments, etc - shaun mclane

We asked for ways to better track our discussions - and now we have an improved version (due to convenient link). - Mike Reynolds

@Brian Sullivan search for cats -lolcats should eliminate them from your results - Ryan

robert, I was thinking like hope that some will not screw the schema of filtering, notice that when we filter using keyword some will may probably try to target some keyword in their feed title . - abdellah

Robert - yep - this definitely is not for the faint hearted. Must be on crack to use this! LOL - Susan Beebe

It's an interesting interface. I'll be looking to see if conversations can still occur with this type of flow. - AJ Kohn

Im curious Robert how many subscriptions do you show under your Subscriptions box. I have 9 and than 90 more. - Russ Jackson

'welcome to my world' ha ha. i think with all the love the RS gives friendfeed on a regular basis it only made sense to improve it - AJK

14221 more. - Robert Scoble

Agreed. I'm going to have to learn to make new feeds to keep using this. Also, I may have to do something to get rid of this light grey background. - Ted Roden

Would you agree that after clicking on the more link there needs to be better organization of that page or can that be organized through lists as well. - Russ Jackson

I need to be able to post updates from a list if they're going to be encouraging me to use lists. - Jesse Stay

The lists/filters system is too complicated - DarknessFalls

The problem is that lets say a video is shared, and I'm watching the video - the page keeps going down, and I can't finish watching the video inside FriendFeed! That's not sharing, is it? - Daniel Brusilovsky

My problem is the lists and the filters create more feeds which create more need for more organization. - Russ Jackson

@Daniel Good point. Perhaps they could open Videos (and similar stuff) in a modal window, allowing the content to scroll ? - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

I think if they auto-pause the UI while I'm mousing over it that might help. It wouldn't need to pause long, just a few seconds. - Matt Griffith

I don't foresee myself being a pioneer on the new FFeed, so hoping to see some interesting articles now that the embargo time has passed - AJK

Just clicked pause for a minute but the counter for queued items doesn't show! - Damian Holmes

Another suggestion on the new real-time updates. Give me keyboard shortcuts to pause the feed. Using my mouse is too slow in a fast-moving feed. - Jesse Stay

There's alot to complain about FriendFeed and it's UI. Still has alot of problems to address. - Chris Rodgers

+1 for Pause keyboard shortcut. - Matt Griffith

Agreed. - Russ Jackson

I think the number of comments went from zero to +100 in les then 45 minutes. - Peter van Teeseling

Ryan -- the "-lolcats" search doesn't do that from what I can tell -- it returns an empty feed. I would also like to be able to search for posts having less than a certain number of likes/comments as well as more . I would like to be able to set up searches/feeds for complex expressions ("-lolcats and -loldogs" or "-lolcats and -loldogs" from a group of people with more than 10 likes and 0 comments for instance). - Brian Sullivan

I Can only image a multi-column FF layout... - Greg Lato

it will happen Greg... has to... would probably actually lessen the jitter effect - Christopher Galtenberg

UI Tweaks, please: keyboard pause, pause button/key on every page with live updating, comment link at end of comments - Aaron Fowler

I love how fast it is going. It's really real-time. - Peter Kruit

Needs a "slow it down" toggle - maybe a slider for the speed? - Jesse Stay

OMG! I see why you bought a separate monitor. - LeighaB

or we have the option of ignoring ff just like twitter gets ignored when I tried to reciprocate even a portion of the followers - Susan Reynolds

@Leigha: Yeah, I can definitely see the need for another monitor for this version of FF. I'm considering it myself. - AJ Kohn

OK, Now I see how the lists work. Much easier to manage. - LeighaB

FriendFeed should take that as a sign - you shouldn't *need* a second monitor to use their service. - Jesse Stay

@Jesse: I view this as a better way to access the data flow - which is what I believe FF is at the end of the day. Why not have a separate place to conduct my data queries while I do other things? - AJ Kohn

@Brian The negative searches work, but you can't just search for "-lolcats". That's just a blank search. Try "cats -lolcats" - Aaron Fowler

For Twitter, the only way I listen in is via search.twitter.com or pure luck. Or via FF for that matter. I view more Twitter content on FF than on Twitter itself. - Mike Reynolds

Brian, yeah I badly want to filter out lolcats too; -cat friends:maverickny seems to work so far - Sally Church

Yeah following 11.5k people is hard. I really need to use lists - Nicholas James

Andrew Leyden is totally right. It's like IRC. - Ian Betteridge

one of my favourite descriptions of twitter: "like IRC meets the whole world" - Dean Whitbread

I'm sorry @scobleizer but your world must die ;) - A.T.

I use lots of lists and filters - I'd love to TURN OFF the real-time updating, please. - Bill Sodeman

I could use a tutorial on how to use lists but do not have the time anyway :o) - David Gross

the new friendfeed filters are awesome. even better than friend lists. - Mike Bruder

by the time i have made a list, this page would have vanished :) - Tatty Gibson

I'm back home & trying to catch up with what's up with the new FriendFeed - I'm assuming it's now live?? Also, I'm not noticing things moving too fast... is that because I'm not following as many people as many of you??? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

ill admit friendfeed looks pretty damn compelling. certainly complex at first blush. - doubledrat

how to use lists? - kang

filter is really a cool thing - kang

certainly faster than twitter right now---still down... - ChaoSurfer

so...when there are a lot of comments...it's not easy to read... - kang

many fail whales tonight - Colin Clark

Moving people from out of my home feed to a different list one at a time is extremely slow. If there's a way to move people out of a list and into a different list in bulk, I haven't found it yet. - Chuck Baggett

Is there any way to select almost everyone on your home list and move them to a different list in one operation? (Similar to how you can checkmark hundreds of messages in Gmail and perform an operation such as tagging or archiving on all of them at one time.) - Chuck Baggett

Vincent RITHNER

Check this #sobees video : sobees http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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I'm amazed about Sobees! Guys, you did a great job! please use it: http://sobees.com it's great!

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Sarah Perez

Official Windows 7 Screenshots - http://www.sarahintampa.com/sarah...

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Leo Laporte

My to-do list site, Remember the Milk, has released a Blackberry sync program - sweet. Well done Bob and Cow. http://www.rememberthemilk.com/

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cool yes, but available for Pro users only :-( - Murali

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Only 25 a yr.. not bad - Lisa Thompson from Alert Thingy

rtm needs to be able to sync with Palms. - Dan Nimtz from Alert Thingy

Yes, RTM is a superb app that deserves greater recognition. There is no sync program for my Palm Treo, but the mobile web app works great, and I also love the Gmail, Gcal, and iGoogle integration. - Andrew Carpenter from Alert Thingy

When i was looking for a todo list there was RTM or Hiveminder. RTM has more features but seemed harder to use and didn't have Hiveminder's braindump feature which I've found is great to just sit and hammer out tasks and then go back and organize them. - Bryan

I liek RTM but the UI is a bit week. Hiveminder has some awesome features, but the ui is also dense and its in (gak) Perl. So it wont scale. - Soulhuntre from twhirl

Thomas Hawk

A Green Life - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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AWESOME - Mona Nomura

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I *love* the green theme. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Lovely green! - BeeLing

Gorgeous set. - Donna Mugavero

It's easy being green? - Brian Sullivan

I love the photo with the water drop on it. - Sudar

لااااااااااااااااااااااااایک برای هر گونه سبزی:) - Shandiz

I feel like I am hard wired to love that little sliver of spectrum - Geoff Schultz

My favorite color. You really do spectacular work Thomas. - Jeff Jones

+1 for green - Mike Doeff

wow, what a green wave! - A.T.

Interesting:Leaf veins looks like spider web - Igor Poltavskiy

everything is so green! - nundesign

keyword is green :) - Baard @ Pixum

Green! - k00pa

They should be here: http://flickr.com/groups... - Håkan Dahlström

this is fantastic - veronicaromm

Jason Calacanis

Two years of the Dow Jones Industrial Average - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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That's one heck of a drop step decline! - Richard Kannegieser

To be fair, you've got to combine the data with US dollar exchange rate - Steven Cains

Phil Jeudy

Vous aimez le foot? Vous supportez votre équipe nationale? mettez votre PC aux couleurs de l'Euro `2008 http://euro.sobees.com avec #Sobees

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Allen Stern

Let's Get Serious About FriendFeed; the 1995 Message Board, the Smart Consolidator and the Stolen Conversation - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf...

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I keep hearing people say "if you're arguing against comments being on FriendFeed, you Just Don't Get It", but nobody's actually bothered to say /why/ comments on FF are a good thing. It's just /assumed/ to be good. - Chris Anthony

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Here's my answer: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008... - Hutch Carpenter

why do the comments on FF have to be justified? Is the people who don't like them the ones who need to defend their position. - Alejandro

I like friendfeed comments just fine and think they are vastly better than pulling in all the disaggregated comments as Allen suggests. But I hope Allen will raise some cash, hire some software developers and build the thing that he thinks is 1000x better. - Robert Seidman

What stolen conversation? I'm of the opinion that very few blogs actually had conversation in comments section on a consistent basis in the first place. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Shey, if your opinion is backed up by a wealth of data, doesn't that make it fact? ;-) - Robert Seidman

Shey, do the blogs that didn't have significant comment conversation in comments have significant comment activity on FriendFeed? - Chris Anthony

Alejandro, if anyone needs to do any justification, it's the entity making the change, and that's FriendFeed at the moment. - Chris Anthony

Jason, yes, under this model of thinking they are. Why focus on FriendFeed in the post and the conversation? Because FriendFeed, to use Malcolm Gladwell's term, is in the process of tipping. - Chris Anthony

Chris. Huh? FriendFeed is a service where people can talk about stuff. If people don't want to talk about stuff here, they don't have to. If people want to talk about YOUR stuff here and you don't like it because you can't control it that's not any different than people talking about your stuff at a conference where a bunch of people are chatting about it in a hallway. - Robert Seidman

Robert, I have no idea which of my comments you're responding to. (That in itself is a limitation of FriendFeed - although really, it's a limitation of any non-threaded comment system.) Where did I talk about controlling the conversation? You're putting words in my mouth. - Chris Anthony

Robert, I prefer to /see/ the conversation. I don't care about /controlling/ it. If we're supposed to treat FriendFeed like it's an extended conference conversation, that's one thing, and we can all relax a bit. But that's not how people are treating it - and it's not how FriendFeed is behaving. - Chris Anthony

The more I think about it, the more I think FF could change that perception - of item comments as decentralized blog comments rather than hallway chats - by simply changing the term "comment" to "conversation" (or "converse", in the verb form under a given entry), or something similar. As it is, by this point we associate "comment" with "blog comment", which is why people are getting so riled up about it. - Chris Anthony

Chris, if it's just a preference then just like my preference that Angelina Jolie would think I'm cuter than Brad Pitt, you're probably going to have to get over it. How is FriendFeed behaving? In a way that allows people to have conversations about something you wrote that you might not wind up seeing? <gasp> - Robert Seidman

Robert, in the future, please read my comments before you reply to them. - Chris Anthony

Chris, I read your comments. I disagree with you. In the future, please feel free to ignore differing opinions. That's something that actually is in your control. - Robert Seidman

I didn't know someone owns the conversation. I'm gonna start asking for permission every time I discuss something with a friend. - Alejandro

look at all these comments which belong on my blog! Robert, you brought up the one thing that I knew someone would say - which is that people can chat offline about my post and I can't control it. Truth is that FF can build the best tool that does exactly what I've suggested, it doesn't change anything about the interaction here at all. What it does is let the x people who aren't on... more... - Allen Stern

Allen, we'll have to agree to disagree. "Look at all these comments that belong on my blog!" I don't see them as "belonging" to your blog. I'd lean more towards "Wow, look at all these people talking about my blog, cool!" - Robert Seidman

Robert it is cool, it just belongs across the street so that everyone can play together - i want you to see and be part of the entire conversation, not a fragmented part. And I want everyone to be part of the entire conversation - it's possible. - Allen Stern

Sarah Perez

bTT Twitter/FriendFeed Combo App Gets an Update - http://www.sarahintampa.com/sarah...

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Jeremiah Owyang

Who Reads the Web Strategy Blog? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...

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is reading the blog equal to reading the RSS ?? I take the RSS and then comment here .. I hardly comment on blogs anymore :(- - Peter Dawson

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Oh dear, Peter, Now I must stay here - Jeremiah Owyang

I agree with Peter in that I now read 99% of the blog posts I follow in GReader and comment either via Share with note in GReader (which posts to FriendFeed) or via twhirl to the post or to another shared comment. - Jon Erickson from twhirl

i am, thanks. - ideali

I read this and other blogs. Primarily when I see them in FriendFeed. I've stopped using an RSS reader and rarely go directly to blogs on their own anymore. Still I'm reading more blogs now than ever, including yours. Best way to get your blog read by me is have it on FriendFeed. - Thomas Hawk

I do, along with people that i have linked up with through FriendFeed or twitter. - Caleb Easterwood

I would think someone would be able to come up with a way to import any friend feed discussions into their blog comments section maybe. - jason burton

Louis Gray

Yes, FriendFeed Will Be Mainstream (by 2018) and Here’s Why - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...

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10 years? In Internet time that's like 100... Technology changes accelerate exponentially. In 10 years the internet itself and the way we access/interact with it won't be anything like it is today. Will FriendFeed be around then? I'm guessing probably not... it will have morphed or been replaced by something more useful several times by then. I don't think we have to worry about it too much, just hang on for the wild ride. - Lindsay is in 20-ten

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2018??! LOL thats hilarious, thats like being back in 1997 and saying fellas, Friendster will rule this galaxy in 2008! (course I dont even know when friendster actually hit the web) - Dan Rockwell from twhirl

Does it really matter? I mean, no one is going to take away FriendFeed if it doesn't "go mainstream" by X date. FF is just 5 (or 6?) people who are servign 100k others. Not a bad ratio - and we FF highly value the service. I'm sure things will keep getting better and better. - Mike Reynolds

10 years is certainly pushing it BIG TIME. If it isn't in 2-3 years, it won't happen at all. - Andrew Dobrow

Many of you have very unrealistic expectations. NOTHING reaches > 50% of the population in 2-3 years. Google may have 68% of searches, but that is certainly from less than 50% of the population (more active searchers are more likely to use Google), and that has taken 10 years and is one of the biggest successes ever. - Paul Buchheit

+1 Like for Paul's comment. Good businesses take time to grow. Online and social makes it happen faster, but it takes time nonetheless. "Internet time" means changes can come along quickly. But it doesn't describe mainstream adoption. - Hutch Carpenter

Let's put things in perspective. Flickr is mainstream right? They have 1.7% of internet traffic (Alexa), a very far cry from the Facebook numbers. But, people would also consider Flickr to be a success. - Rob Diana

@Jason - That is why I brought up Flickr. They changed the idea of sharing pictures. There were several lifestreaming services launched at the same time, but there are only a few with traffic. The bigger question is whether lifestreaming catches on with the masses. - Rob Diana

@Jason - Oh, ok. I was never comparing them so I did not get what you were saying. Forgot they were in the chart in the article. - Rob Diana

@Jason - a couple things. 50% adoption is the Wikipedia definition of mainstream. I think 50% is too high. If 1 out of 3 people use something, I'd say that's pretty mainstream. I also don't compare FriendFeed to the automobile or the Internet directly in terms of utility. Only for comparison in terms of adoption cycles. I'd love a chart that shows MyYahoo, Google search, AOL, etc. Haven't seen that. - Hutch Carpenter

@Rob, I don't think Flickr is designed for lifestreaming, even though a lot of early-adopter types use it that way. It's designed for photography enthusiasts to show off, and for web surfers to search for interesting photos taken by strangers. They're doing extremely well in that niche. Sharing your life using photos calls for something different. I've made OurDoings for that purpose and think it works very well. The problem I'm finding is that the early adopter phase is not optional. - Bruce Lewis

Corvida

FriendFeed And Your Personal Brand - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...

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I like this perspective a lot. I agree that there does not seem to be the typical internet caste systems on Friend Feed. - Mathew A. Koeneker

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Self-described newbie has thought about personal branding via FriendFeed - MaryAnn Chick Whiteside

Thanks for the positive comments! - Phil G

@Mathew A. Koeneker, I agree. - edythe

Loic Le Meur

English breakfast - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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English breakfasts are usually very good, that just looks wrong! - Arthur Guy

seems like full of fats and calories ? Any idea how many calories ? - Raza from Alert Thingy

Robert Scoble

It's official http://search.twitter.com/ now kicks Tweetscan's ass. So much better it isn't funny.

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Yeah, I liked Summize so much, I added support for its search API to my Twitter client. I just had to. - Morton Fox

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Even on basic search there's no comparison. On Thursday evening I performed an ego search on both Summize and TweetScan, and Tweetscan missed most of the relevant tweets from the last couple of days. Granted that Twitter had its own problems during that period, but the fact remains that Summize was still able to deliver the results. - Ontario Emperor

The way that summize keeps searching even after the page loads it great - makes it so easy to keep track of whatyou're looking for - Colin Walker

summize is great and they have a good api as well. - Rodney Rumford

summize is awesome indeed, i use it to catch my replies when I'm using Twitter web - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Summize had our Minnebar conversation in their top five last Sat, so they're not so dumb... :-) - Graeme Thickins

Totally agreed. Tried to use Tweetscan the other day (it was the only Twitter search service I could remember at the time) and FAIL. Thankfully I stumbled on summize yesterday, and it's perfect! - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF from Alert Thingy

Summize - great find - already found some good, new Twitterers to follow. Very accurate and useful. - David Sim

Thank for the find/tip. I like it...a lot! - Mathew A. Koeneker

Scott Kveton

@ahockley do you shoot things in RAW? or does it depend on the mood? how do you store it all? plz answer in 140 chars ... :-)

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Any serious photographer ALWAYS shoots in RAW. When I meet people who say they don't know what RAW is or who do, and decide to do only JPEG I just shake my head and feel sorry for them. It's like throwing away your original slides or negatives. Makes me sad. - Robert Scoble

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Ok. I am one of those JPEG photographers. I just got a new DLSR and don't know anything about RAW. Any good links on taking RAW photos and how to process them? Also, what do you use to manage your files? - Michael Carter

Michael: get Adobe Lightroom http://www.adobe.com/product... -- if you save in RAW you'll be able to much more widely manipulate your images, saving color temperature and exposure problems, among other things. Plus you'll get sharper images and know that you've actually saved all the data coming off of your DSLR's sensor. It takes more memory space, though. Need more hard drives and bigger memory cards, etc. - Robert Scoble

Thanks Robert! - Michael Carter

Michael: Aperture is a great option if you are on a Mac. It's absolutely brilliant for organization. Google This Week In Photography -- it's a great podcast about all things photography related. - Jeremy Brooks

Now storage is cheap, there's not much reason not to use RAW. - Rich

Generalizations like this don't make for a good argument, Robert. Most serious photographers do indeed shoot raw and I agree for most it is the way to go. But there are indeed good reasons for shooting JPEG. It all depends on the circumstances. News photographers who have to get their stuff out as quickly as possible are one example. Plus, DSLRs have become much better at in-camera JPEG processing. The newest Nikons produce exceptionally good JPEGs in most situations. - Ole Begemann

Ole: there's no reason anymore. Why? Pro DSLRs like my Canon 5D and the Nikon D3 I borrowed for a month shoot in BOTH RAW and JPEG so you get the benefits of each. News photographers should keep a historical record in as high a quality as they can. Also, RAW can actually be much easier to process and get a good professional image from. - Robert Scoble

What about sports photography where speed is necessary. You are wrong scoble for dissing on JPEG like that. Raw is great, but JPEG has its own needs and uses - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

I tested out the Nikon D3 and have the Canon 5D. I don't see any real-world speed difference between shooting both RAW and JPEG and JPEG only. Most sports photogs I know shoot RAW because they want the processing capabilities that come with RAW. Most sports photogs I know use many cameras anyway and use the most expensive equipment. - Robert Scoble

But, that's missing the point anyway. I don't mind a professional making a conscious choice. But most people don't really know what RAW does for them and they really are limiting themselves and their photography because of their lack of knowledge. - Robert Scoble

RAW images are not always noticably better in a side-by-side, unprocessed comparison. However, they have major advantages when you're doing a lot of correction afterwards, particularly to bad white balances. If you shoot hundreds of images a day, RAW is not a practical choice. - Ian Betteridge

Ian: that's bull. Thomas Hawk shoots hundreds of images a day and shoots in RAW. I'm shooting tons of pictures every day in both RAW and JPEG and I can see the difference. I upload my JPEG's to Flickr for speed's sake, though, but I wouldn't consider making an image without keeping the RAW around. - Robert Scoble

Robert, your point about "historical record" highlights the BIG issue with RAW: it's not a standard format as such, but simply the raw sensor data. This means that there are lots of kinds of RAW, and no future-proofing. A Nikon NEF which is supported today might not be supported in 10 years time. Keeping your archives as RAW files is basically gambling that the (proprietary) format will still be supported in ten years time, something that you're not doing with JPG. - Ian Betteridge

Oh, and not all RAW is created equal: some types use lossy compression anyway, so you might as well shoot in JPG. - Ian Betteridge

Ian ALL professional cameras shoot in both JPG and RAW. In fact, the Nikon D3 has two Compact Flash card slots. You can set the camera to shoot in RAW on one card and JPEG on the other. That way you have both formats to work with. Even if I shot in RAW only, though, I'd convert my photos to JPEG that I wanted to save and I keep both the RAW format and the JPEG. - Robert Scoble

Scoble, I agree with all the points you make, but I still would argue that if you need speed, JPEG beats RAW. Even the D3 takes RAW at only 2.5 fps - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

Robert, does Thomas shoot hundreds of images a day without access to a laptop? How long, exactly, does he spend processing afterwards? If all he's doing is shooting raw and creating JPGs, he's wasting his time. What's more, if you're really seeing a big difference between raw and JPG, then the issue is your camera's JPG compression algorithms, not the efficiency of RAW. - Ian Betteridge

And, of course, if all Thomas is doing is using RAW as an archive format, then he's gambling that his particular kind of RAW will be supported in ten, twenty years time. That's a big gamble to take if archive photos are important to you. - Ian Betteridge

Varun: the D3 sure seemed to take a lot faster photos than that. I'll have to look into that. Ian: yes. He carries many gigabyte cards. He spends hours processing images. We'll cover this topic a lot more in depth on our new PhotoCycle show that'll start in mid-June. - Robert Scoble

Always RAW. It's amazing how much more data you can get out of a RAW image; highlights/shadows especially. - Benjamin Golub

Robert, I know that all pro cameras shoot in both. However, the way you're talking about RAW here is as if you can just dispense with JPG - ie "news photographers should keep a historical record in as high a quality as they can." Well sorry, but as an archive format RAW is just not a good choice. - Ian Betteridge

Robert, your example of how Thomas works makes the point very well that RAW doesn't work for all. Could a news photographer afford to stop mid-shoot and change a card? - Ian Betteridge

Ian: have you ever watched a news journalist work? They change cards all the time. I'll tell you what, I'll interview some news journalists about this topic and we'll come back to it. Most of the ones I know shoot in RAW because they want the absolute best image to work with as possible. Most news photographers (I watched quite a few work right next to me at Davos) carry three to five bodies and a crapload of memory cards so switching isn't that big a deal for them. - Robert Scoble

It is extremely rare that anyone needs to shoot for an extended length of time without taking a breath. In such situations anyway the best photographers have assistants who rotate cameras in with fresh cards. I watched Sports Illustrated work a World Series game and that's just what they did. The assistant was taking images off of the cards, processing them, and uploading them while the action was going on on the field. - Robert Scoble

"If you shoot hundreds of images a day, RAW is not a practical choice." Sure it is. In Aperture I set the correct white balance for 1 RAW image and batch apply it to all othe others in the same photo shoot. Most of the time this doesn't need to change at all. You can even batch apply sharpening/noise reduction/anything else. RAW does not slow me down; it makes my photos the best they can be. - Benjamin Golub

Some links. Thomas Hawk on Adobe Bridge: http://thomashawk.com/2006... - Robert Scoble

Part I of Photoshop Lessons from Jan Kabili, where she talks about how to process RAW and other things that are important to making great images: http://www.podtech.net/scobles... - Robert Scoble

Part II of Photoshop Lessons from Jan Kabili: http://www.podtech.net/scobles... - Robert Scoble

Inside Photoshop CS3 with John Nack: http://www.podtech.net/scobles... - Robert Scoble

Robert, I used to be a news journalist - and I think you mean news photographer :) And yes, they change cards (and cameras) a lot. They'll be doing it a whole lot more if they shoot in RAW. Approximately 3-6x as often, in fact. That means you're much more likely to miss getting the best shot in busy circumstances. Don't get me wrong - RAW is great if the important thing is maximising your ability to post-process - but in some circumstances that's not what you're most interested in. - Ian Betteridge

I shot in RAW and do my post processing in Adobe Lightroom. Pics are saved on 2 external HDDs. - Marcel Janus

I shoot in RAW when I think post-processing of the image will improve it a lot. But the jpg's my DLSR creates are enough for me in 50-70% of the situations. This does depend on how much of a photoshopper you are. :) It helps if you know the limits of your camera. - roel

I just want to say that I love FriendFeed. This whole discussion started from a Tweet from a person that I don't follow. Now there are all these people adding to a new conversation on FF. This is good stuff. - Michael Carter

Great conversation. I shoot 100% in RAW. Every argument I've heard for shooting JPG above doesn't hold water in my opinion. You can fit hundreds of photos shot in RAW on an 8GB card -- even more on a 16GB. Swapping cards is no problem -- it can be done in seconds. I shoot 200-400 shots in a typical day. If I'm on an actual shoot typically over 1,000. Storage is cheap. You lose so much of your photo by shooting in JPG. There is no reason to only shoot in JPG for serious photographers. - Thomas Hawk

As soon as I get a RAW capable camera, I'm all over it. I'm waiting until CHDK supports my camera (SD 750) or I get a new one altogether. - ha3rvey (wants confit)

Canon took RAW away from the Powershot S80, booo - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Mac OS X supports most Canon & Nikon RAW formats natively so you can preview RAW images in the finder or use QuickLook, so it isn't any more difficult to work with than JPEG. The difference is most obvious when you open a RAW file in Aperture, since it gives you more adjustment options. - Mike Hussein Cohen

Not sure why everyone moved away from this thread. What I'm wondering, is when I'm at the point where I'll be buying a DSLR, what do I get? Is there a current "king" of the DSLRs? - Jordan Hofker

Jordan, best advice is to try out a lot of different ones. Also depends on your price range. My own thoughts are to seriously consider both Canon and Nikon due to the extensive line up of fine lenses that both offer. Canon should be coming out with a new 5D shortly. That will be a hot DSLR and probably run about $3,500. the Nikon D3 runs about $5,000. You don't need to spend this much though and there are many seriously good cheaper models from both Canon and Nikon. - Thomas Hawk

Jordan, I'm about to retire my first DSLR (a Canon 20D) and am looking at replacing it with the Canon 450D... it's a step down in the Canon product line, but feature-by-feature is actually an upgrade for me... :) and, it's squarely within my hobbyist's budget at around $800... - Kenneth LeFebvre

Jordan, one thing to keep in mind that is just as important to get good lenses/glass as it is to get a good body! So save some money in your budget for some quality starter lenses (you can get some good prime lenses) - Chris Lewis from Alert Thingy

I'm late to the party, I seem to get more noise/grain from RAW than from JPG - in Adobe RAW and Aperture 2. Not enough to make me go back though. - Avelino Maestas

I sure wish I knew why this conversation is not being bumped up in FriendFeed when people post to it. Annoying. - Thomas Hawk

testing bump. - Thomas Hawk

I'm testing the bump also (with a like and a comment), but I have a question - what is the shelf life of a typical RAW image? Certainly you have more processing capabilities in the short term, but what about 5-10 years from now? I grant that JPEG won't be supported forever either, but if you're thinking long-term preservation, I would think that JPEG would offer a longer life. - Ontario Emperor

Testing bump Sat 3:10 AM JST (Fri 11:10 AM PDT). This article bumps in my "Comments" and "See both" pages, but is invisible in my "Friends" and "Likes" pages. - Mitchell Tsai

Ontario Emperor: That's precisely the impetus behind Adobe's DNG standard. It will provide a standard RAW format that will be more likely to last longer than individual manufacturer's formats... - Kenneth LeFebvre

I tried bumping another thread from Wednesday (Scott Kveton's Russian coke can from 2 days ago) with "no comments" and it wouldn't appear in my "Friends" page either. http://friendfeed.com/e... So it's not just looong threads. Maybe a FriendFeed algorithm/cache/etc... issue. - Mitchell Tsai

I'd have to say that it all boils down to what you're going to use it for, which is part of the visualization process that Ansel Adams so heavily stresses. I look at the final use of the photo and make all of my decisions based on that, just like in the darkroom days. - Marc Silber

...love the flexibility of RAW to save your bacon when you forget a WB setting or the like. A sharper image is generally available to you as well. - JA Castillo

100% RAW. Why is this even a question? - TranceMist

I shoot RAW only and it is a noticeable difference (for me) between shooting JPG and RAW. However, I'm not too keen on the current crop of RAW processors. I am still a big fan of RawShooter which unfortunately does not handle UTF8 or GPS EXIF. - Jauder Ho

Sarah Perez

Microsoft Demos TouchWall - It's Like Surface for the Office!! - http://on10.net/blogs...

May 14, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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I have the link to the video and timestamp in my post so you can see it for reals for yourself - Sarah Perez

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Well I'm impressed - Bwana ☠

Video comments will be appreciated when we're using these instead of laptops. - Rex Pechler

I find it hard to be less impressed. Might be possible, but maybe on the Microsoft Summit next year. - Dani Radu

First there was the Big Ass Table now it's the Big Ass picture frame? http://twurl.nl/1ntrz8 - Kevin Shannon

I'm very interested in the potential of this technology, I wonder what else Microsoft are experimenting with? - Ian Rathbone

Robert Scoble

Unfortunately the World Wide Telescope is Windows only.

May 12, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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surprise! uh what's linux anyway? - Susan Beebe

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as if the other OS was linux - Sam Pullara

That was surprising and disappointing. I seem to remember talk of a Mac version from your video interview with the developers. Guess it was just using the Mac hardware running Windows... - Niklas Morberg

I was crossing my fingers for a Mac version of World Wide Telescope, but no luck - David Orban

was not that impressed with the app - especially the nav, felt sluggish to pan and zoom - ben rogers from twhirl

The World Wide Telescope scoped to Windows - Kamath (नमः) from twhirl

I see haters. Embrace the technology. Don't worry, you'll get a Mac version. And if it's sluggish, it may be your PC or something else. - Mohamed J

Most dissapointing? It wont install on my Vista x64 it seems. The installer runs but I get no icon and no entry in Programs. Bummer. - Soulhuntre from twhirl

best of all? the "Mac" section in the install instructions... http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Hannes BrandstätterMüller from twhirl

Doesn't work in Parallels 3.0 with Windows XP for Mac - Chris Lewis from Alert Thingy

You can still look up at the stars with your bare eyes. :) - TranceMist

Not if you live in a major city, like me. ;) - Alejandro

Is anybody surprised. It is Microsoft! I'm running a Mac, too, but I can wait. Or use a Windows machine. - David Risley

Doesn't work in Bootcamp with XP on a Mac either, sigh - Sally Church from Alert Thingy

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