"This Challenge requests that Solvers implement a particular database meant for managing the ordering of DNA sequences. The database schema, table create scripts and some strongly recommended interface designs are all laid out in exquisite detail. The Seeker who creates the most complete solution will be awarded the full award if all of the stated requirements are met."
- Deepak Singh
from Bookmarklet
Is 45K sufficient for a project like this? Or do you do it while doing others?
- Deepak Singh
it's difficult to determine without seeing the full details, it seems odd to require registration when finding interested participants from a wide audience is part of the goal
- Mike Chelen
I've always felt that Innocentive is a great idea but the implementation is a little dated and flawed
- Deepak Singh
from IM
Looks like what they want is a PHP application (running on Zend/Apache/Linux) that uses an existing Oracle database schema and authenticates through an Active Directory server. The first third of the request appears to describe basic user management functions. The rest is a simple workflow / order fulfillment system.
- Eric Jain
@Deepak: 45K seems quite generous for what looks like at most a month of work. But I'd be concerned that they end up amending the original specs repeatedly after seeing your submission (a typical problem with up-front specs). I wonder how strict InnoCentive is about that? And who judges whether your submission meets the specs?
- Eric Jain
@Mike: The specs include a database schema and some (not so useful) UI mockups, so I can see that they don't want to make that available to anyone who hasn't agreed to some kind of non-disclosure statement (though you can get access from an unverified dummy account). But I agree that they should at least have included the technical requirements (PHP etc) in their summary.
- Eric Jain
Eric If it's a month, definitely not a bad deal. One of the better ones I've seen there anyway. I wonder if anyone on this list has actually used Innocentive. I know lots of folks who hack on stuff for mech turk, but that's an entirely different ballgame
- Deepak Singh
from IM
Is there anything on mech turk that can earn you more than 45 cents? :-)
- Eric Jain
Not sure but I know some guys who do a lot of Wikipedia-related stuff which I think goes for > $1 :)
- Deepak Singh
from IM
that's gotta be wrong. 3.2b bases * 2 bits per base / 8 bits per byte /1024 bytes per kb / 1024 kb per Mb = 762.9 Mb
- Chris Miller
even the exome doesn't makes sense: 18k genes * 9 avg exons * 170 bp per avg exon * 2 bits per base / 8 bits per byte /1024 bytes per kb / 1024 kb per Mb = 6.5Mb
- Chris Miller
I'm thinking of trying to simulate covering a talk by simultaneously watching the same video, e.g. this one by Gary Bader: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Follow link above to a Doodle date finding poll
- Michael Kuhn
from Bookmarklet
I've proposed the afternoon in Europe, so that people from the US can join in the morning
- Michael Kuhn
I've put in my availability. Should be interesting - we can compare (subjectively) the experience on that as compared with our known experiences on FF. Btw, if anyone wants a wave account, just let me know. We all have loads of invites now, it seems.
- Allyson Lister
thanks Allyson, Roland and Graham. I agree with Ally that we should compare Wave to FF, so I'd like to give priority to people who have covered ISMB. Also, I'm just curious to see how well Wave handles Ally's writing speed. :)
- Michael Kuhn
I'll be covering the Recomb Satellite via FF for now; given the limited number of people who have access to it so far that seems to be the only venue.
- Oliver Hofmann
I'm giving a talk on Wave in a few weeks - was thinking I might put the slides in as images, then work through them using the slideshow function - if I can stream audio out and people could leave comments on the slides as we go...but collaborative note taking with a relatively small number of people seems to work really well - if you can pull the video/slides in even better.
- Cameron Neylon
The talk is supposed to be 3:30 on Tuesday 15th but is late in the day so would probably be later. Will looking into what networks facilities are available...
- Cameron Neylon
@Michael, nothing can handle Ally's writing speed :D
- Benjamin Tseng
@Cameron, forgive me if this is a dumb question, but how would a talk like that work? would you interrupt it to answer comments/questions as they came in?
- Benjamin Tseng
@Michael, @Benjamin - you're really bigging me up there! :) FF seemed to be able to keep up, so hopefully so will Wave :)
- Allyson Lister
@Benjamin - thinking I would have the slides in a Wave, webcast video, people could comment next to the slides as appropriate (or inappropriate) and then at the end you have an annotated version of the talk as it happened. Could certainly answer questions - people often interrupt inside the room anyway - but there wouldn't be a simple mechanism to get speakers attention. Anyway I don't...
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- Cameron Neylon
looks like Wed, Dec 16 at 4 pm UT / 5 pm CET will be it. (Sorry Roland.) Any other nominations than for what to watch instead of Gary Bader: Predicting Protein Interaction from the Genome, http://www.youtube.com/watch... ?
- Michael Kuhn
@Cameron: I also think having slides and comments in the same Wave is a separate experiment, also streaming live can have its own problems. so let's keep this one simple :)
- Michael Kuhn
Yep, that's cool. I should be available on 16th as well anyway
- Cameron Neylon
Just saw this thread and plan to be there on 16th. My suggestions for videos to watch are at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki... . Alternatively, we could also go for 2-3 TED talks where the change of subject may provide for additional testing functionality.
- Daniel Mietchen
Just noticed that we used different notions of "public funding environments" in the mind map so far. What I had in mind was to have "funding environments" in public, much like what fundscience.org plan to do. Some of the added comments seem to have used the term in the sense of environments for "public funding". Both notions are certainly valid, and we should think of ways to keep them apart.
- Daniel Mietchen
good point re making this difference clear(er) in the map
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Yes, Jean-Claude, contests and prizes with a competitive element are definitely on the list. If you have good examples from the recent past, please post them here.
- Daniel Mietchen
"More money for science is always good. Or is it? Six experts tell Nature what concerns them most about the US stimulus spending and suggest ways to ensure that it benefits research and society in the long term." - http://www.nature.com/nature...
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel - the thing I like about contests is that barrier to participation is orders of magnitude lower than traditional funding - there is no need to convince anyone that what you are attempting will actually work before doing anything. Of course this limits the type of projects that can be run but it still applies to a large number.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Daniel, not that I have anything against HHMI, but that mantra is not exclusive to them. For example Max-Planck Society has exactly the same approach (and I would say that at 10% of HHMI's budget and having twice as much Nobel prize winners, MPG looks a bit more effective ;) ).
- Pawel Szczesny
Didn't mean this to be exclusive, and I am well aware of MPG approaches (been there for a while).
- Daniel Mietchen
"I wish there was a universal format for submitting grant proposals; authors could post proposals (once!) & then the funders bid on them." (rephrased from http://ff.im/5VwEI ). I would add that the process should be public. fundscience.org plan to go this way.
- Daniel Mietchen
How do funders and scientists rank "more attention to technological shifts" against the "scientific expertise they have"? One says "change" the other "keep doing what you know"! Are those two things not disagreeing each other? In other words, who would you fund first, the "crazy new idea" or the "conservative stuff"?
- joergkurtwegner
I would think funders should have (as they do now) the liberty of choosing their priorities, and in many cases this will be a mixture of many incremental projects and some revolutionary ones. The main shift in the system would thus be to have just ONE avenue for proposals, and to make it public.
- Daniel Mietchen
Well I'm so all over the place most of the time its good to be able to put it down somewhere...
- Cameron Neylon
We sort-of went a bit overboard with wikis for students last year (although admittedly somewhat less flexible commercial ones rather than MediaWiki). The outcome was that in the end we decided we preferred a portfolio of connected sites rather than one big repository, which is inevitably better at some things than others. The problem I am still trying to solve now is construction of a dashboard/hub to bind a diverse range of sites into a manageable entity.
- AJCann
Yes, its not meant to be comprehensive just a useful space that's available. Got two projects on it so far though. In terms of dashboards and hubs its actually a function that Wave might usefully serve at some point. I've had a similar problem in the lab - too many disparate services, all good at what they do but trying to get people to use them all effectively together is a problem
- Cameron Neylon
In The Wall Street Journal, Google CEO Eric Schmidt says that the Internet will not destroy news organizations. He says that Google working in cooperation with publishers of newspapers and magazines can help bring about a business model to share ad revenue from searches.
- Javed Alam
"For the past twelve years my research team has been using all the brain research tools at its disposal, from functional MRI to electro- and magneto-encephalography and even electrodes inserted deep in the human brain, to shed light on the brain mechanisms of consciousness. I am now happy to report that we have acquired a good working hypothesis. In experiment after experiment, we have seen the same signatures of consciousness: physiological markers that all, simultaneously, show a massive change when a person reports becoming aware of a piece of information (say a word, a digit or a sound)."
"What we mean by being conscious of a certain piece of information is that it has reached a level of processing in the brain where it can be shared."
- François Dongier
"The world's largest particle accelerator is officially back in business, scientists in charge of it announced today. Over the weekend, physicists began circulating beams of protons around the 27-kilometre ring of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, Europe's particle-physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland. The tests bring the giant machine closer than ever to high-energy collisions that physicists hope will lead to the discovery of new particles. "The first three days of operation have been an enormous success," Steve Myers, CERN's director for accelerators, told reporters at a press conference about the status of the machine. "We've shown the LHC is in superb condition.""
- Spaceweaver
from Bookmarklet
Finally....! But then, let us remember also the pyramids weren't built in just a couple of years :-)
- Spaceweaver
F. Miterrand vs Google Books: "Il y a l'épouvantail Google. Quand on le cite, c'est comme si on arrivait avec un crucifix chez les vampires" http://m.latribune.fr/page...
"This morning, Google is making a slight update to Wave to help users unclog their inbox from public waves. Previously, you could see public waves in your inbox, which was fairly annoying. Now for a wave to appear in your inbox, you need to “follow” the wave."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
"The Internet grew out of an idea to connect various and disparate sources of data, delivering to researchers around the globe unprecedented access to information via their computer screens. As e-Science evolves alongside Web 2.0, however, some are pushing for a fundamental change in the way the Internet catalogues and organizes data to make it more readily available to the growing number of interdisciplinary and highly specialized researchers who spend their working hours nearly entirely online and who tend to collaborate online. Whereas this is not a new argument—the idea of a more intuitive "Semantic Web" has been kicked around for years—it has gotten a fresh set of legs thanks to the recent funding of a software development tool kit expected to better connect researchers with the information they seek."
- Wildcat
from Bookmarklet
Rather than offering researchers a simple keyword search across a single database that returns information in pieces, the semantic approach proposes to create a more intelligent Internet infrastructure that can assign meaning to the concepts being searched and even to some degree have an understanding of the researcher's intent. Using ontologies, which are formal representations of...
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- Wildcat
A semantic interface would allow a researcher to visit a single research site, describe the information required, and then let ontology and semantics take care of the rest. "The Semantic Web has it's own query language that takes advantage of meanings of concepts and their relationships," Narock says. "You ask your question at very high level, and it takes care of filling in the details...
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- Wildcat
I am inclined to submit a proposal for a session on Open Science. If any of you plan to go there or wish to contribute to the session, let me know.
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
Update (a few months later): The main deadline for session proposals is gone, but Eurodoc ( http://www.eurodoc.net/ ) are planning to submit a session for the "young scientists" part, for which the deadline is Sep 30 (next Wednesday). Preliminary title (possibly familiar to some of you): "What would science look like if it were invented today?" Would any of you be available to join the...
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- Daniel Mietchen
People from the Oxford Internet Institute put in something on Science and the internet - can't remember the exact details but could put you in touch.
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Yes, Cameron, please do. But participation in our session would not be limited to pre-selected themes or people - we plan to do it as open as possible.
- Daniel Mietchen
Absolutely. Just a case of demonstrating that the thinking is connected up :-)
- Cameron Neylon
Seems to me that a session on Open Science could fit well within theme #10 ("Policy - what follows?") of the http://www.esof2010.org/themes... : "European science, research and innovation policies; the role of EU and national institutions; European science policy in a global context; international S&T cooperation policies; the changing landscape of European...
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- François Dongier
The deadline for the Scientific Programme (and also the "Policy what follows" theme) has already passed, it will be submitted in the Career Programme. So as Daniel wrote, it should be for young scientists to inform them about developements and also to involve them in a debate on new developments. For now, it is most urgent find people for the list of speakers which will be connected online to talk about Science 2.0.
- weppens
"We describe the system architecture and template design of "Scratchpads", a data-publishing framework for groups of people to create their own social networks supporting natural history science. Scratchpads cater to the particular needs of individual research communities through a common database and system architecture. This is flexible and scalable enough to support multiple networks, each with its own choice of features, visual design, and constituent data. Our data model supports web services on standardised data elements that might be used by related initiatives such as GBIF and the Encyclopedia of Life. A Scratchpad allows users to organise data around user-defined or imported ontologies, including biological classifications. Automated semantic annotation and indexing is applied to all content, allowing users to navigate intuitively and curate diverse biological data, including content drawn from third party resources. A system of archiving citable pages allows stable referencing with unique identifiers and provides credit to contributors through normal citation processes."
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
"For those who want to take a glimpse at where science and scientific discourse are going, take a look at some of the papers at this workshop"
- Bill Hooker
from Bookmarklet