Just noticed that we used different notions of "public funding environments" in the mind map so far. What I had in mind was to have "funding environments" in public, much like what fundscience.org plan to do. Some of the added comments seem to have used the term in the sense of environments for "public funding". Both notions are certainly valid, and we should think of ways to keep them apart.
- Daniel Mietchen
good point re making this difference clear(er) in the map
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Yes, Jean-Claude, contests and prizes with a competitive element are definitely on the list. If you have good examples from the recent past, please post them here.
- Daniel Mietchen
"More money for science is always good. Or is it? Six experts tell Nature what concerns them most about the US stimulus spending and suggest ways to ensure that it benefits research and society in the long term." - http://www.nature.com/nature...
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel - the thing I like about contests is that barrier to participation is orders of magnitude lower than traditional funding - there is no need to convince anyone that what you are attempting will actually work before doing anything. Of course this limits the type of projects that can be run but it still applies to a large number.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Daniel, not that I have anything against HHMI, but that mantra is not exclusive to them. For example Max-Planck Society has exactly the same approach (and I would say that at 10% of HHMI's budget and having twice as much Nobel prize winners, MPG looks a bit more effective ;) ).
- Pawel Szczesny
Didn't mean this to be exclusive, and I am well aware of MPG approaches (been there for a while).
- Daniel Mietchen
"I wish there was a universal format for submitting grant proposals; authors could post proposals (once!) & then the funders bid on them." (rephrased from http://ff.im/5VwEI ). I would add that the process should be public. fundscience.org plan to go this way.
- Daniel Mietchen
How do funders and scientists rank "more attention to technological shifts" against the "scientific expertise they have"? One says "change" the other "keep doing what you know"! Are those two things not disagreeing each other? In other words, who would you fund first, the "crazy new idea" or the "conservative stuff"?
- joergkurtwegner
I would think funders should have (as they do now) the liberty of choosing their priorities, and in many cases this will be a mixture of many incremental projects and some revolutionary ones. The main shift in the system would thus be to have just ONE avenue for proposals, and to make it public.
- Daniel Mietchen
I am homing in on this one and think it would have greatest chances to have an impact if it could be provided in a format of a poster or a few slides that funders could be encouraged to reuse. Any suggestions as to formats suitable for this? The text will of course also be blogged (or co-blogged if anyone is interested) but I really want to make an effort to reach the target audience because that is where the most important changes have to happen.
- Daniel Mietchen
One way to do this would be to take a depiction of the research cycle and add comments on every way in which funders could interact with it - perhaps colour-coding the long-term suitability of each strategy.
- Daniel Mietchen
Anyone know a collaborative platform to edit posters, other than Google Docs?
- Daniel Mietchen
"add comments on every way in which funders could interact with it" great suggestion, Daniel
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Planning to submit a proposal for an ESOF 2012 session on "Research funding 2.0" (or so; cf. http://ff.im/EhgP5 ), largely based on the materials collected here. Collaborators welcome! Some more food for thought: http://www.slate.com/id... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Query come to me this morning: do you have any dramatic examples of when an error in coding has lead to an important scientific error that was either caught just in time, or only caught after the results had been published?
There was quite a big story in crystallography in 2007 - 5 papers retracted due to small software error (covered by half of science bloggers here, for example Bosco http://boscoh.com/protein... or Hari http://harijay.wordpress.com/2007... ). People suspected for years that something is wrong with these structures, although it took quite some time to find the error.
- Pawel Szczesny
Here's a retraction "As a result of a bug in the Perl script used to compare estimated trees with true trees, the clade confidence measures were sometimes associated with the incorrect clades." http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article...
- Dave Lunt
Not so much a software error as a procedural error: Edward Lorenz printed out his intermediate results only to three decimal places whereas his machine internally stored them to six decimal places. Upon restarting from a given check point the results quickly diverged from the original. Rather than simply being an annoying error this incident gave insight into the problem of sensitivity...
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- Dan Hagon
Just ran across a list of errors, some likely due to software. I love this concluding sentence "It remains to be seen whether such mistakes are isolated problems or nuggets broken loose from a veritable mother lode of error." see "Two infamous examples of discovered errors are cited by Dewald and Thursby: a pension study by Martin Feldstein [6],...." in Kane EJ. Why journal editors would encourage the replication of applied econometric research. Quarterly Journal of Business and Economics. 2003 ;23(1):
- Heather Piwowar
From the Nature News piece Andrew mentioned above: "There needs to be a real shift in mindset away from worrying about how to get published in Nature and towards thinking about how to reward work that will be useful to the wider community."
- Daniel Mietchen
RT Would it be fair to say that the greatest service Nature could do the scientific community might be to simply shut down? - Marius Kempe
- Daniel Mietchen
I'm now imagining an April Fools joke from Nature, announcing that in the service of science, they are closing down, and all submissions should henceforth be put on the arXiv, and submitted to PLoS One :-)
- Michael Nielsen
Yup. Hard to believe it isn't faked, but the footage is just too good. Also hard to believe this won't become an enormous craze. (A good way to make a lot of money: start a company right now that develops equipment for this. With some tiny improvements to equipment, I'm sure they could walk much further on water.)
- Michael Nielsen
Most of the equipment (shoes, wetsuits, hat) is from a company, Hi-Tec. +1 for the fake hypothesis, unfortunately.
- Michael Nielsen
I'm pretty sure there's a walkway under the lake, alas :-)
- Michael Nielsen
Poop. I wanted this to be real because it looked like great fun.
- Bill Hooker
Following the remarkable shift in the polls after last week's debate, what fate awaits Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg as they confront each other in the second prime ministerial TV debate tonight?
Suddenly it seems everyone wants to re-imagine scientific communication. From the ACS symposium a few weeks back to a PLoS Forum, via interesting conversations with a range of publishers, funders and scientists, it seems a lot of people are thinking much more seriously about how to make scientific communication more effective, more appropriate to the 21st century and above all, to take more advantage of the power of the web. For me, the "paper" of the future has to encompass much more than just the narrative descriptions of processed results we have today. Here I discuss the idea of the research communication as an aggregation of objects that are linked together into a story by an "editor". This has the potential both to encompass what papers look like today and prepare us for a much more diverse future. At the same time if we built our research communications this way we get the semantic web for research data more or less as a free extra.
- Cameron Neylon
Great blog post Cameron. The first step for me is to better define the standards for the building blocks. That's why I like initiatives such as ORCID for author identifiers and DataCite for research datasets.
- Martin Fenner
"a paper is an aggregation of objects" I completely agree with this veiwpoint on the article of the future except that I'd give the following refinement which incorpoartes another part of your discussion: "a paper is an aggregation of (second-class) objects which is a user-specific view over an aggregation of (first-class) objects." For instance, at present if I ask the question "what...
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- Dan Hagon
Martin, thanks - I disagree slightly with the prioritisation though. The beauty of the idea of the aggregate is that you don't actually have to define standards for the building blocks, just point at them, and the user and the block service negotiate. Crude example - if I point at a properly accessible web page which is set up to support screen readers then I as aggregator don't have to...
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- Cameron Neylon
Dan, I think I probably slid over the disinction your are making in the post. What we would get for free would be a semantic web of research objects, but not a semantic web of atomistic statements - the kind you referred to when asking what the smallest unit of science is. So we can have a semantic web that can do inference over the _objects_ (show me all the 2d datasets associated with...
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- Cameron Neylon
A related concept is the NLM-DTD as standard XML format for scientific papers. http://dtd.nlm.nih.gov/ The NLM-DTD is used internally by PubMed Central and many publishers, but on the author side most papers are still just a big piece of text. Having better tools to write papers in that format (we have a Word plugin and Lemon8-XML) would be a big step towards an aggregation of objects.
- Martin Fenner
Thanks Cameron and also Martin for his comments. Now wondering if NLM-DTD can enhance our current PubMed import function to include DOI to populate records in an integrated CRIS+Repository. In many ways it's back to the old conundrum of policies and a willingness on behalf of science to supporting access built on standards that embrace open dissemination and aggregation. Innovation in...
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- Garret McMahon
Just getting to read this carefully - how would this work with the idea of science communication as streams instead of discrete objects in time (maybe not at all)?
- Christina Pikas
Nice, and could not be better timing as I prepare my PechaKucha talk on Science Comminication/Open Science/Open Access!
- Kubke
Christina, I think even with streams you have discrete objects within them (events) or discrete aggregations of periods. If they are pure streams then using my own criteria, what is it that we want to do _with_ them and how can we make that work. But short answer, I'm not sure.
- Cameron Neylon
I normally don't like such low level humor. But since it's a 8 year old kid. I don't know. It was just funny. Probably wouldn't have been funny if it was in German. For some reason I can suffer trash talk much better when it is in English.
- Alexander Kruel
When the New York Times talked to the 17 year-old Ternovskiy earlier in the month, he confessed that, “Last month I saw 30 million unique visitors come to the Web site and one million new people visit each day. It continues to multiply and I just couldn’t stop it from growing.”
- Tristan Hambling
"Serving as an introduction to computational biology, this course emphasizes the fundamentals of nucleic acid and protein sequence analysis, structural analysis, and the analysis of complex biological systems. The principles and methods used for sequence alignment, motif finding, structural modeling, structure prediction, and network modeling are covered. Students are also exposed to currently emerging research areas in the fields of computational and systems biology."
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
"A decade after arriving in Princeton, Einstein acquired a walking companion, a much younger man who, next to the rumpled Einstein, cut a dapper figure in a white linen suit and matching fedora. The two would talk animatedly in German on their morning amble to the institute and again, later in the day, on their way homeward. The man in the suit may not have been recognized by many townspeople, but Einstein addressed him as a peer, someone who, like him, had single-handedly launched a conceptual revolution. If Einstein had upended our everyday notions about the physical world with his theory of relativity, the younger man, Kurt Gödel, had had a similarly subversive effect on our understanding of the abstract world of mathematics."
- Alexander Kruel
from Bookmarklet
"Gödel, by contrast, had a tendency toward paranoia. He believed in ghosts; he had a morbid dread of being poisoned by refrigerator gases; he refused to go out when certain distinguished mathematicians were in town, apparently out of concern that they might try to kill him. “Every chaos is a wrong appearance,” he insisted—the paranoiac’s first axiom."
- Alexander Kruel
Either "furchtbar herzig" is some Austrian slang or it's at least half a century outdated...
- Alexander Kruel
Fwd: "think about two to three emerging opportunities for--or threats to--open society institutions and values that you are aware of which are not receiving sufficient attention and where a funder like OSI could usefully intervene" -...
I will discuss these issues with OSI on Thursday morning, so if you have any ideas to share on the matter, please post them here or let me know otherwise. Thanks!
- Daniel Mietchen
What Open Science most needs is case studies, so OSI could potentially have an immense impact (out of all proportion to cost) by funding some Open Science labs. It would be best not to issue a standard RFA, because every scientist will say "oh yes, I've always wanted to do that" if there's money to be had. Three years' modest support for Jean-Claude Bradley, Steve Koch, Cameron Neylon,...
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- Bill Hooker
Yes, Bill - this would fit with the "Open Science Institute" theme that I alluded to in the post. Thanks!
- Daniel Mietchen
Ah, sorry, reinventing the wheel there eh? Skimmed the post, should have read carefully. Mea culpa.
- Bill Hooker
No, not reinventing the wheel, just adding a fourth one to a car with three. Seriously, this would be a good complement to the more institutional (and somewhat centralized) approaches that I concentrated on. Keep 'em coming!
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel that was a very thoughtful assessment of what might be useful to promote OS. I think each one of us (involved in OS) will have a different perspective based on the specifics of our projects and the state of our field. For funding I think the model we used to award prizes (thanks to Submeta) for the ONS solubility challenge did work well and is not something easily funded by...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
Gah, forgot Matthew Todd. I always forget Matthew Todd. What the hell is wrong with me?
- Bill Hooker
Thanks for the comment, Jean-Claude - I also think prizes are undervalued in science at the moment, though they really have potential to bring about advancements.
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel, your three recommendations look ok to me, thanks! -- CTT would opt to join in on "Closing gaps in the knowledge environments" (recommendation 3: "support collaborative open knowledge environments"). CTT (Cellular Therapy and Transplantation) is an OA Journal and Open Repository IN ONE (the journal shape is for the branding effort, and all content is available via the open...
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- Claudia Koltzenburg
should be great to hear about any other field of research where someone is (keen on) setting up a similar path with subject repository via a journal (or any other way to get to the open subject repository) - or has any other idea of how to close gaps/ overcome barriers in the knowledge environments
- Claudia Koltzenburg
"Just came across this article from Newsweek in 1995. It lists all the reasons the internet will fail. My two favorite parts: The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper, no CD-ROM can take the place of a competent teacher and no computer network will change the way government works. … Yet Nicholas Negroponte, director of the MIT Media Lab, predicts that we’ll soon buy books and newspapers straight over the Intenet. Uh, sure. If Newsweek is as good at maintaining the journalism industry as they are at fortune telling, they should be around for a long time. The Internet? Bah! Hype alert: Why cyberspace isn’t, and will never be, nirvana By Clifford Stoll | NEWSWEEK From the magazine issue dated Feb 27, 1995"
- Spaceweaver
from Bookmarklet
Talk given today at the #nfais meeting as part of a panel with James Ingram and Mackenzie Smith. Clay Shirky gave the keynote, hence the "filter failure" riff. Some twitter coverage at the hashtag from @TAC_NISO and @meyercarol and some blog coverage at http://www.web2learning.net/archive...
- Cameron Neylon
appears to be a problem at slideshare but am giving re-uploading it a shot...its not critical so I guess I can just cut the image background if that doesn't work...ok seems ok now.
- Cameron Neylon
I am very happy that slide 8 is an Amiga. That was my second computer (after ZX Spectrum+3). I would be even more happy if I knew that you deliberately chose a picture of an Amiga rather than searching for "obsolete computer" on Flickr and choosing the first picture that you found.
- Matt Leifer
Absolutely Matt, we had an Amiga at home so I was very definitely looking for a picture of one. The added bonus was that the printer in that picture is the same or very similar to the one we had as well! Many happy memories of playing with the Amiga. We didn't have a hard disk though - although the guy down the street did. He's now a product engineer with Google which just goes to show that if you start with more storage, you end with more storage...
- Cameron Neylon
Björnm if you want Keynote/ppt just give me a yell. They get too big for me to upload to slideshare...
- Cameron Neylon
Thanks Cameron, I will. I'm sure the next opportunity isn't far away :-)
- Björn Brembs
Good one, right, also filtering is work, just a different kind of work.
- joergkurtwegner
BTW, it just reminded me about the the recent comment of Rajarshi, even if you would have shorter articles to read, would you not just read more of them? Same for news items, microblogs, etc http://ff.im/gvpli
- joergkurtwegner
Didn't recognize that Amiga - don't think I've ever seen a 500 (in person). I had a 1000 and a 2000 (model A). I actually followed a full Commodore path - using (but not owning) both models of PET, followed by owning VIC-20, C64, C128, A1000, A2000.
- Richard Akerman
"This week at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, MIT professors discussed their efforts to better understand the human mind, the nature of intelligence and the ways in which human and artificial intelligence can be brought together. Tim Berners-Lee, Tom Malone, Rebecca Saxe, Sebastian Seung and Josh Tenenbaum were among the speakers at the forum’s IdeasLab, in which some of the world’s leading intellectuals and entrepreneurs discussed trends in business, technology and society. MIT President Susan Hockfield introduced the speakers."
- Alexander Kruel
from Bookmarklet
"Take prime numbers, for example, which as far as I’m concerned, constitute a more stable reality than the physical reality that surrounds us. The working mathematician can be likened to an explorer who sets out to discover the world…We run up against a reality every bit as uncontestable as physical reality."
- Alexander Kruel
from Bookmarklet
"JUST suppose that Darwin's ideas were only a part of the story of evolution. Suppose that a process he never wrote about, and never even imagined, has been controlling the evolution of life throughout most of the Earth's history. It may sound preposterous, but this is exactly what microbiologist Carl Woese and physicist Nigel Goldenfeld, both at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, believe. Darwin's explanation of evolution, they argue, even in its sophisticated modern form, applies only to a recent phase of life on Earth."
- Alexander Kruel
from Bookmarklet
"At the root of this idea is overwhelming recent evidence for horizontal gene transfer - in which organisms acquire genetic material "horizontally" from other organisms around them, rather than vertically from their parents or ancestors. The donor organisms may not even be the same species. This mechanism is already known to play a huge role in the evolution of microbial genomes, but...
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- Alexander Kruel
Shows that PLoS One has an overall equal rate of citation to PLoS Biology, and that more of One's articles have been published in a recent year.
- Mike Chelen
Has anyone generated a slightly nicer data object out of this data yet? Been thinking of graphing the correlations of downloads versus citations versus whatever and similar for different journals which really requires a bit of cleaning up the data to be effective but if someone has already done it?
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron: what else needs to be done to make the data more usable? the source data here is available as TSV http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeye... and CSV or XLS too, is there any other format that would be better?
- Mike Chelen
I was wanting to do some analysis that included comparing papers based on time of publication i.e. "what is the average trajectory of downloads?" as well as comparing these across journals so I was hoping someone might have converted to either SQL and/or a set of python objects containing lists of downloads/citations/pageviews by month. Not difficult to do myself but just wondered whether someone else had already.
- Cameron Neylon
That would certainly do one of the things I had in mind but the big problem I was having was with wanting to come up with average initial rates and saturation points to see if there are any characteristics of "hot" vs "slow-burn" papers. I saw some evidence of this in the very crude graph analysis I did when the stats first came out.
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
how could the change in rates for each article be determined given only the totals? while the plos website includes a chart of an article's recent history, the data released so far can show how older and newer articles compare in terms of downloads per day like PDF files http://friendfeed.com/mikeche...
- Mike Chelen
Cameron: here can be seen which years and journals have articles with the most downloads per day http://friendfeed.com/mikeche... is this close to what you have in mind?
- Mike Chelen
Looks very nice Mike. We should have all the 'missing' usage data (pre Aug 2005 and first 200 PLoS ONE articles) added sometime this week.
- Peter Binfield
Peter: great thanks, looking forward to it! any preferences or suggestions about where people might want to look for or share data analysis results?
- Mike Chelen
Mike, just realised that I've got a somewhat different dataset that I think hasn't been publicly released yet which includes all these parameters by month - but as Pete points out there are some dates missing.
- Cameron Neylon
Actually Cameron, you dont. We have released the usage data down to the month level (and you may be referring to that), but not the citation/bookmarks/blogs/comment/notes etc data (although we track cumulative data on these items, by the month, we only started tracking it in March, so dont really have enough monthly data to release - though we could if people felt it was valuable)
- Peter Binfield
How is the Internet Changing the Way We Think? The collective conscious by J. Brockman, C.Shirky, D. Hillis, D. Dennett, R. Dawkins, R. Sapolsky | Edge - http://www.edge.org/q2010...
"Given what we have today, the Internet could easily become Invisible High School, with a modicum of educational material in an ocean of narcissism and social obsessions. We could, however, also use it as an Invisible College, the communicative backbone of real intellectual and civic change, but to do this will require more than technology. It will require that we adopt norms of open sharing and participation, fit to a world where publishing has become the new literacy." - C.Shirky "We have embodied our rationality within our machines and delegated to them many of our choices, and in this process we have created a world that is beyond our own understanding. Our century began on a note of uncertainty, as we worried how our machines would handle the transition to the new millennium. Now we are attending to a financial crisis caused by the banking system miscomputing risks, and a debate on global warming in which experts argue not so much about the data, but about what the computers...
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- Amira
from Bookmarklet
"It's not what you know, it's what you can find out. The Internet has put at the forefront resourcefulness and critical-thinking and relegated memorization of rote facts to mental exercise or enjoyment. Because of the abundance of information and this new emphasis on resourcefulness, the Internet creates a sense that anything is knowable or findable — as long as you can construct the...
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- Amira
M.A. Just et al. :: A Neurosemantic Theory of Concrete Noun Representation Based on the Underlying Brain Codes (2010) - http://www.plosone.org/article...
"Previous comparable studies of the brain activity associated with semantic stimuli have been based on the presentation of pictorial inputs whose visual forms were being represented in secondary visual processing areas, particularly ventral temporal cortex, and the activation patterns were then identified as being associated with a particular category. Here, by contrast, the stimuli were printed words only. This is the first demonstration of the ability to identify the neural representation of individual words." \\ "In effect, we discovered how the brain's dictionary is organized -- it isn't alphabetical or ordered by the sizes of objects or their colors." It's through three factors: shelter, eating, and physical interaction. #fMRI Gaussian Naïve Bayes #GNB#classifier
- Adriano
from Bookmarklet
interestingly... one absent factor in the study that is essential for the human species concerns sex or love or reproduction. "Our vocabulary of 60 test nouns lacked any words related to the missing dimension, such as 'spouse' or 'boyfriend' or even 'person.'" \\ would like to see the next paper examine verbs ;-) ... also wondering how adjectives will show up in the brain relative to the nouns they modify.
- Adriano
Just having done a quick read through the first 1/2 of the article, I don't think there's anything here that directly supports (or contradicts) what Lakoff contends about metaphor and its impact on behavior, language, use, thinking, etc, insofar as Lakoff was pretty general in Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things as well as Metaphors We Live By. Would be very interesting if similar...
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- Mickey Schafer
Well it does seem to indicate that the brain comes pre-wired for a lot concepts - like shelter, food and I think our imaginative potential is framed by these - until we depend more on artificial thinking machines to augment the potential we can access indirectly
- Jean-Claude Bradley
For me Jean-Claude, the article implies these pre-wired concepts inappropriately. When I was still a linguist, I spent a good deal of time reading developmental material related to everything from vocab acquisition to discourse structure. What this study said to me is that 2 decades of data that relied on speaker intuition is, in fact, that much more reliable b/c it has measurable...
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- Mickey Schafer
OTOH, I do not understand the machine-language claims particularly well...right off the bat, though, I think such info could be applied almost immediately in gaining reads of TBI survivors which in turn could help researchers better understand the location of injury effect on the brain and health providers target treatment more effectively.
- Mickey Schafer
Bumping because it got buried in amongst the old items when it came through. I quite like this. Much of the heavy lifting was done by Dan Hagon and Jon Hunt on a hack day we had at RAL late last year
- Cameron Neylon
Sorry Michael I thought it looked ok when I checked it. May be better if you download it (requires viddler account)
- Cameron Neylon
from Android
Sorry, not sure if my previous commented got through...I thought I'd checked it for legibility. You might find it better if you download it (required free viddler account)
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
@Cameron: sorry, I saw (and understood) your previous comment, but didn't follow up. yes, the downloaded version is much better. thanks for the hint.
- Michael Kuhn
Michael, its ok - I'm just on dodgy connections and I hadn't seen my own comment a day later so I was worried it hadn't got through at all...
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
With better resolution, this is something I'd like to redirect to my students. All my current students are very happy to act as guinea pigs. We've had a couple take to wave really well, some just getting the hang of it and only one or so who hasn't really used it.
- Anna Croft
I think this needs another cycle of development to make something really useful and there are some issues with the current code (two key things, adding the new feed just appends it to the bottom of the menu, should either replace or be included sorted by date, and I need to put a filter on it as well, also be able to cope with more data and re-size images automatically...the _three_ key things are ...) But we're getting there I think at least on a conceptual basis.
- Cameron Neylon