Maybe the reason why Twitter succeeds is because people don't really want to have conversations. They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes.
"Twitter succeeds is because people don't really" .... have anything to say LOL "They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes."
- Lora Lufark
But doesn't FF and Twitter have different purposes. FF for posting something and having a meaningful or somewhat meaningful conversation. Twitter post something that you want to push out to others and not really have a conversation. Different purposes, different apps. Can't we all just get along. :-)
- David Fowler
Heh, David. But that's the thing. I actually think trying to make conversations easier on Twitter is counter productive. Two-way conversation is not the purpose most of its users actually use it for.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, I agree, I think a lot to tweets are designed to drive traffic to websites and not just mindless chatter. Which to me is a great use of Twitter. It is very easy to miss portions of a conversation on Twitter. But not here.
- David Fowler
Facebook just laid down the gauntlet to friendfeed. The new Facebook looks awesome. Of course we need to try it first, but this takes the real-time web forward.
@robert i wouldnt classify twitter in the same category as FF and FB
- andy brudtkuhl
Are you referring to some new changes your viewing privately?
- Mark Krynsky
isn't it the people using the service that matter. losers from my high school friend me on facebook and have nothing to say. i interact with all walks of life on twitter. that's what it will always be about to me.
- Jeff DiStanlo
Also I think FB and FF (obviously) have completely different markets regardless of cross functionality. (yes, im a FB hater)
- andy brudtkuhl
Seeing is believing. I will wait till it goes live. remember the last time facebook had the kind of opposition with a new design. I always liked it though.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
They got close to unlimited friends. They sucked up to Arrington, but this will let us both create pages where we can interact with large groups of people in public and also keep our separate friends and family controls so we can see just stuff from our families, for instance. This sounds very good.
- Robert Scoble
i agree it's a step ahead, but i don't think friendfeed is in danger. it's the users over the platform, right?
- David Bisset (sn)
yeah it really looks like an evolution, ending at FF
- anna sauce
I don't get it. Facebook isn't an aggrigator. It can't do what FF does. Facebook spits out it's information stream to FF, where I gather all my other streams in one place.
- Matthew DeVries
the question is...will we let one company be our everything for social messaging, or do we force the industry to follow a service model...and spend the next 20 years sorting out standards like we did with HTML/CSS?
- Dave Powell
from twhirl
Facebook has so much twitter and friendfeed envy, its not even funny. Still, when they got the eyeballs...
- Jarrod Morgenstern
Technological superiority does not mean it will win (ref. Betamax versus VHS) :) I think Twitter´s basically just simple protocol and API provide a freedom to create strange spinoff services and imaginative clients which a lot of people value. People want a tool not a finished piece of art behind glass.
- Thomas Bøhm
It feels to me like Facebook will be to social networking and services like FriendFeed what Windows is to operating systems and Linux/etc. Easy enough for your parents to use, not necessarily the best out there, has momentum, enough market share that they can sorta do whatever they want, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
I disagree Matthew, Facebook is an aggregator. That's exactly how I use it mostly.
- David Jacobs
David: It only aggregates through their bizarre ass application system, that won't let you even have a feed unless you give them 5 friends they can bug first.
- Matthew DeVries
What it looks like is nothing without who you're following. My FF and FB friends DO NOT overlap. The UI is moot without community.
- Admiral Anika
I use all three so differently I cant see one taking the business of the other from me. I interact with a lot of different types of people on Twitter. Facebook is pretty much friends only and FF is more of an aggregator for me to see what is going on in different sectors. The conversation is more discussion and less conversation to me. Twitter is where I have the conversations what some might say I used to use the phone for.
- Sidney
I don't intend to make friends with all of you on facebook (or really any of you). But I like reading what you have to say here. Long live FF.
- Christopher Galtenberg
FB is for spying and sharing photos with real friends and family, FF for conversation, twitter for news and interesting links
- Ryan
I don't think Facebook move challenges the niches of Friendfeed or Twitter. Friendfeed and Twitter never have been able to challenge the Facebook niche, because that was all about sharing content in private with friends. Twitter and Friendfeed are for the people who like the open web, for the people who live (at least part of) their life in the open. Likewise, facebook photos is not a challenge to Flickr.
- Meryn Stol
I don't have a Facebook account anymore. The content on Facebook means nothing to me.
- Meryn Stol
FriendFeed lists can help to filter the stuff you don't want to see. Set up a 'business' list and you're chapstick free!
- AJ Kohn
look i like a little chapstick now and then but how is making a list going to remove the stick?
- Allen Stern
@Allen: You create a list of folks who don't participate in those sorts of memes - or at least their propensity to do so is less. So a 'strictly business' type of list gets me ... a news I can use *only* type of view. It's not 100% and I didn't adpot lists right away, but I find them VERY useful now.
- AJ Kohn
yea but what if i like the dude or dudette most times but not the chapstick times? see thats why ff needs to operate like what it is, a forum
- Allen Stern
*shrugs* I hear ya. I know I probably give people problems in this way. I post business, marketing, bicycling, humor, food and LOLcats. I'm like Victor though, I love seeing ALL the data.
- AJ Kohn
Allen: The very LAST thing the internet needs another message board and forums *shudder*. If you want a message board and forums, there's 2 x10^700 of them out there to hang out on already.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm the same as AJ. I'd much rather see all kinds of stuff in one place than having to visit 50+ forums to keep up with all the things I find interesting. Because I'm lazy like that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Personally, I'd like to see a timed function. Have separate groups you delinate friends into and then say group 1 I see all the time, group 2 only between 7 to 5 and group 3 i see always except between 7 to 5.
- Sidney
Seriously. No one would've ever heard of Friendfeed if it was nothing more than another message board with forums.
- Victor Ganata
Nevermind, Robert says we're all going back facebook now, someone start putting all the CD's and books into boxes, I'll start taking the pictures down......bother
- Matthew DeVries
it's ok everyone - i am glad ya'all disagree with me :)
- Allen Stern
The value of a forum is the people on it. At the moment, Friendfeed has a good group of people. Eventually that'll change, and we'll all move on to whatever next the tech elite declare "Greatest thin evar". Personally I miss Usenet and wish everyone would go back to that.
- Eric P
it is a message board, but with multiple modes of input.a traditional message board wouldn't have allowed us to have this conversation around your tweet.
- chrisofspades
...I am sensing a theme to the posts by TH, but I cannot seem to put my finger on it...
- JA Castillo
LOL! I'm exactly the opposite of you guys... I get all stressed out trying to use OSX and it's such a relief getting back to Windows.
- Lindsay
I'm a Linux guy, but I'm not hurt on OSX since I actually use the same software that I use on Linux — on windows, when I have to use it, I cry :'(
- directeur
Lindsey, I'm like you. I've had way too many jobs where I had to work on a Mac. The stress was just awful. I'd come home and hug my MS machine.
- Admiral Anika
I've done all sorts of work on OSX/Windows/Linux. I can find it frustrating sometimes working in OSX - I'm not a huge fan of not having a right click. It reminds me of my PDA, which isn't too user friendly. As a native windows user, I can also get confused when I have many programs running in OSX, it's sometimes unclear which ones are running and where my windows are. In that respect, Linux is superior, with multiple workspaces that are very simple to manage.
- Will Higgins™
Not having right-click? when was the last time you used a mac...the 80's?
- Sidney
@Will +Sidney I have an extended keyboard and a left/right click wheel-mouse and have had them for years. I work in a high pressure production environment and I have to submit to a help desk process that assigns a priesthood of tech wizzards from MIS to maintain the Windows side, the Mac side I maintain myself. I would rather spend a day on a complicated challenge on the Mac than 100 simple tasks on Windows. It is a much more intuitive interface. That said, let 1000 flowers bloom. I'm all in for Linux.
- Phil Boiarski
I write multiplatform software. I would rather develop drivers for OSX or Linux than windows. Osx is also much more consistent in terms of UI and keyboard shortcuts, plus there is nothing close to Automator& AppleScript on unixes or windows
- mjc
@Will higgins FYI the "mighty mouse" that comes with most macs does do right click, you just have to turn it on in the preferences
- mjc
Ugh. I like my cheap Logitech mouse better than a Mighty Mouse. But yes, any n-button mouse will work on OS X. If you want multiple workspaces/virtual desktops, just turn on Spaces which is built-in to OS X.
- Paul Reynolds
@Paul indeed I use a logitech multibutton :)
- mjc
Smoke Two Joints in the Morning , Smoke Two More at Night, Legalizing Marijuana is the Number One Suggestion in President Obama’s Virtual Suggestion Box - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
another interesting way to look at this also might be that there are an awful lot of people on digg and reddit who like getting high.
- Thomas Hawk
I can only see the upside. This has gone on for far too long for the silliest of reasons.
- coldbrew
perhaps, but is it really the most important thing the president can do to improve the country?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Though I agree that decriminalizing marijuana is something that should be done it is very sad that people believe it is the most important thing Obama could do to improve the country. The priorities of people sometimes frighten me.
- Sidney
I wouldn't imagine Obama is only capable of doing one thing at a time. I realize there are more important things to be done, but many of those will take quite a bit of work (healthcare, economy, etc). Anything that increases freedom is worthy in my book. It could also be a significant source of tax revenue, which could help the economy as well.
- coldbrew
Legalize it and tax the crap out of it. Could be the economic stimulus package the US needs. (Not joking)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I didn't know it was up to the executive branch of out government to decide one way or another. Isn't it the individual states and all of their elected officials who continue to enforce the prohibition?
- Christopher Harley
Thomas; I can't believe Digg users like getting high, their comments section doesn't seem relaxed enough (though they certainly have the paranoia).
- Steven Cains
I think the people who dismiss this as unimportant have no grasp of the scale and scope at which drug prohibition destroys lives.
- Anthony Citrano
While I can't speak for Digg and Reddit on the whole, I've personally never smoked a joint in my life and have no plans to, yet I'm a staunch advocate of ending the war on drugs and ending marijuana prohibition in particular. Supporting legalization has nothing to do with getting high, and everything to do with logic and facts.
- Eric P
+10 Can I go higher than that. Not get higher. lol
- Michael Fidler
Anthony can you elaborate on how drug prohibition destroys lives?
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
One way to look at it is that the prohibition causes the price of drugs to skyrocket, so that drug lords get obscenely rich. With that money, they buy arms, with which they commit mass murder, like in Mexico currently. Legalizing it would make the market collapse and dry up their funding.
- Victor Ganata
There are so many arguments for the removal of marijuana prohibition laws. Not the least of which, that would certainly signal to me that Obama is for change; just having him behind it would demonstrate a no-bullshit approach. What exactly are your arguments for retaining said laws, McCord?
- coldbrew
I just wanted to know how this destroys lives coldbrew.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Paul, imagine yourself being thrown in prison for any length of time because you were caught smoking a joint or possessing marijuana. What would it do to your life?
- jcunwired
Not exactly, Christopher. Marijuana is a federally restricted substance, which is why people who have legal medicinal marijuana in, say, California can still be busted by the DEA for drug possession.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Given the large number of people behind this initiative, i believe it is your argument that needs substantiation. Rather than asking others to substantiate their claims, I would argue you need to make a claim, or multiple, and back it/ them up.
- coldbrew
I don't think many people are for legalizing all substances. Marijuana is one thing but harder drugs are another. The number of drug dealers that Victor says "get obscenely rich" may dwindle but they will certainly still be there. @coldbrew: I disagree that it is the anti-drug legalization community that needs to substantiate it's claims, considering that the laws are written by the majority and if the majority wanted legalization then lawmakers who supported that should be elected, that's the idea.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: one million Americans will be arrested this year for nonviolent marijuana possession. The convicted will carry a permanent criminal record (and will forever be convicted felons in some states - good luck with that job search). Many will serve prison time (the urban black ones will, anyway) and be eternally barred from receiving any type of federal student financial aid. Sorry, Paul, but if that's not likely to blow a kid's socioeconomic lights out, please tell me what is.
- Anthony Citrano
Canada is on its gradual journey towards legalisation of marijuana,from what I've read about their Mounties not treating possession as a criminal act, thereby freeing up resources to deter and prosecute real criminals. Alcohol and tobacco are, in my opinion, far more dangerous in terms of the harm they cause, even though they are legal and heavily taxed in most countries.Too many people are getting their lives messed up by the legal system in the USA, just for using their relaxant of choice. Live & let live
- Siddharth Deb
The fact it was only ever made illegal because of america trying to make more money (got greedy) through the cotton trade...they forced other places to make it law, we in britian were the most reluctant to do it...yet we did...stupid move. The fact it has PROVEN medical benefits is also a big thing.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, Rob, cotton had to win out and now marijuana continues its second act, front and center in the prison/industrial complex.
- Christopher Harley
Why did cotton have to win out? greed.....??
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's funny that an issue like this got pushed to the top of the list of priorities for Obama to address upon coming in to office. A poster above (Sidney) commented that this is sad as there are so many other problems to address. Agreed. Probably many of the supporters of this initiative don't have their minds on the big issues but just want another way to get intoxicated legally. I'm actually in favor of decriminalizing the substance but this issue is way, way down on the list of priorities I have for Obama
- Gale Stafford
Why are we pretending that the president can only pursue one thing at a time? Obviously, the economy and the wars are front-and-center right now. It still does seem that people don't make the connection between the "War on Drugs" and institutionalized racism in this country. Maybe as a person-of-color, I'm biased, but the fact that the prisons disproportionately harbor first-time drug offenders with brown or black skin does seem to be a problem on par with the health care crisis to me.
- Victor Ganata
I think this proves that the internet is not ready for prime-time democracy. First, we need to remember that the numbers here are a very small and skewed portion of the total American population. Second, there is no control here to prevent people from posting the same thing more than once, or has been pointed out, the effects of a site like Digg. While this makes a really great headline, I think the more important thing for government to remember about the change.gov site is to consider the source.
- Kenton
Exactly, Victor, what I was trying to say to Paul (just above ya.) I'm not saying it ought to be the top priority, or the only one, but we're witnessing a fucking genocide here (marijuana, crack, etc.), and no one seems to care. It's constantly dismissed us just those damn stoners who want to get high....
- Anthony Citrano
Now that I think about it, "The War on Drugs" and health care are actually pretty interlinked, too. We really ought to be treating non-violent addicts as patients and not as criminals. It doesn't help that poor minorities basically have no access to mental health care.
- Victor Ganata
"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones - http://www.funnyordie.com/videos...
"California's budget shortfall has grown to $14.8 billion for the current fiscal year — $3.6 billion higher than the shortfall legislators already have been unable to solve, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Wednesday. A clearly frustrated Schwarzenegger called on the so-called "Big 5" legislative leaders to meet this week, and called the state Legislature's failure to act so far a "shameful performance." "We are heading towards a financial Armageddon. We can already see it coming," Schwarzenegger said."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
California is so beholden to Unions and social programs that it'll never get it's act together. Arnold thought he could go in there and change things, then he found just how powerful the lobbyists were. His wings are clipped.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Hopefully this financial crisis will break up some of those lobbies.
- Raoul Pop
All the corrupt social programs are bankrupting California and Arnold is doing nothing to fix the problem.
- David Ward
ever since CA screwed up property taxes, they've been hobbled. only diff this time is that CA is the first to fall into this latest mess. many states will follow. even the ones that aren't beholden to the godless unions that force us to waste so much money on the poor.
- MikeAmundsen
California should repeal Prop 13, move all homes to properly assessed value with an option to pay as you would under Prop 13 with the remaining balance attached as a state lien against your home in the event of eventual sale at a modest interest rate. This would be a fairer way to assess property taxes and still protect Seniors allowing them to stay in their home in the event of escalating home prices and prop taxes.
- Thomas Hawk
Good idea, Thomas. As for Pascal's idea...yeah right...California's infrastructure is crumbling. They aren't spending enough for education...the list is long and deep. It's not that they are spending too much, it's much more that Californians don't pay enough taxes.
- Alex Scoble
Jesus Christ is judging California for Proposition 8.
- Chris Baskind
I see the myths of Prop 13 rearing it's ugly head here.
- Admiral Anika
Where's Darryl Issa when you need him? Gray Davis got recalled b/c he was falsely blamed for Enron rigging the energy market and bankrupting the state. So why isn't anyone calling for a recall of the Governator?
- Kevin Pedraja
@torque what can they do? are the creditors going to reposses the state? put a lien on the capital building or the roads? I don't think there is anything that could happen. but I'm open to the opinions from somebody more knowledgable then me.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
@torque They'll have to crack down on Californians illegally slipping across the border in the trunks of Volvos.
- Chris Baskind
Maya is the featured dog on our Peanut Butter treats this month. The first time we saw the photo, Tracy (my partner in life and crime) nearly peed her pants.
- Paul Reynolds
Paul, any way we could twist your arm for pics of tomorrow's opening day? I'm oddly excited about your opening =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Several minutes later, and I'm still laughing at this picture. Awesomesauce. ("I can't believe you did this to me, Human.") James just came downstairs to ask me if I was okay.
- Bran Mydwynter
So one day during this week I'd be happy to get some carryout lunch and bring it to you, treat shop and eat lunch and hangout. How does that sound?
- Dave Slusher
"Campaign finance records show the Utah-based church made an in-kind donation of $2,078.97 to ProtectMarriage.com, a coalition of faith organizations and conservative groups that supported Proposition 8. Church spokeswoman Kim Farah in Salt Lake City said the donation covered travel of church leaders who went to California to meet with the coalition. "By law, the church is required to report when it uses any expenses to travel in support of things like this," Farah said. Farah dismissed the tax-exemption issue. "It's a civics 101 lesson. Churches by law are allowed to speak on moral issues," Farah said. "It does not jeopardized the church's tax- exemption status and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.""
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
I have often thought that churches, including my own, should consider refusing tax exempt status. Tax exemption is almost a deal with the devil: the government will give you and your contributors money if you keep your mouth shut...
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Speaking from the old country (well one of them anyway), one that has universal legal partnerships, I can only agree fully with Molly's comments about the silliness of attitudes towards same sex partnerships that seem to behind this proposition.
- Ian D. Nock
"It's something you can't get on the Roku. Nor on LG's BD300. Nor on Samsung's P2500 / P2550 Blu-ray players. Nor through Netflix's own "Watch Instantly" portal. It's high-def Netflix streaming, and it's coming first to Microsoft's Xbox 360. Yes friends, when the all new dashboard hits on November 19th, with it will come HD Netflix streaming for (US-based, presumably) Xbox Live Gold members."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
The one thing keeping me from doing streaming to my living room was HD. Here we go, a reason to renew the XBOX Live memership..
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
the one thing that I don't like is that you have to have an XBox Gold membership to get this. I have no interest in an XBox Gold Membership and don't feel like paying $50 a year extra to Microsoft to get what I'm already paying Netflix for. Seems kind of chump to require that.
- Thomas Hawk
And it's a great way to hit your Comcast bandwidth limit to boot! :P
- Costa Walcott
Why is he a great man? Is it because he going to tax corporations out of comparativeness to support the lower middle class?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
What has he done? Read about the man. Check out the books and writings on him. He is a leader, and given the chance he could be a great one bringing the country together to solve problems instead of arguing.
- Dion Almaer
You are right, this just might be his best video yet.
- Bastian
I keep hearing the tax thing get parroted about but don't folks think it's a bit of an exaggeration? I honestly find it hard that either candidate are going to be able to lower taxes AND fund the bailout and any other program they intend to fund with the economy in the state it's in currently
- Bryan
Yeah, I'm voting Obama, but he's still a politician willing to say what he thinks he needs to in order to get elected. This country is pretty much ruined--our economy is trashed, our military won't be able to pull out of Iraq as quickly as Obama is claiming--he's going to have an impossible time doing anything right. That said, McCain has 2+ decades of experience creating & reinforcing the current system that let to this mess. Let's vote for something that at least represents change. Just my 2¥.
- thepete
Bryan, the key is that while Obama lowers taxes for all but the top 5%, those 5% do pay more. They don't pay a crazy amount more, but by virtue of the fact that half the nation's income is made by a very small sliver at the top, this modest increase compensates for the easing of the tax burden on the other 95%. This is the 'share the wealth socialism' that McCain keep talking about. It's up to each of us to decide whether its fair. I think it is.
- Kevin Fox
Why not have a flat tax and have everyone pay 10% of what they make?
- Csturm
My favorite part of the pitch is that he wants to do a complete audit of government spending and get rid of the programs that don't work. I don't hear that from McCain (who seems only focused on reducing earmarks, which, while I agree need to be reduced, make up a small percentage of total government spending). It seems to me that's how he will be able to afford new programs and the tax cuts, by getting rid of the stuff we don't need anyway.
- Lindsay
Caroll, I think everyone pays more than 10% now (except for those who are below the poverty line). That wouldn't work. I'm in favor of a consumption tax. You pay on what you spend instead of what you make. But neither candidate is interested in such a radical reform.
- Lindsay
He's not a leader, he just has followers who don't question or dig very deeply into the reality behind his rhetoric.
- Andrew Leyden
I'm consistently shocked that the Republicans don't push for a flat tax. They are a party built on tax issues. To consistently propose tax agenda that pushes solidly for lower taxes for the top 5% of America, they shoot themselves in the foot. People seem to be in favor of tax fairness, but tax breaks for the wealthy just aren't going to be a winnable issues most years.
- Andrew
Consumption tax,wouldn't this tax the poor more? What would be excluded from a consumption tax? What would You put the rate at?
- Csturm
Andrew, with all due respect, you're dead wrong. What "reality" aren't we digging into exactly? I believe strongly in progressive taxation, so it's not like I'm failing to understand what Obama proposes there (which is a rollback of recent tax cuts for the wealthy). Are you talking about bogeymen like Ayers/ACORN/etc.?
- ⓞnor
Wow, an American politican actually talking about the issues that face the country and the policies he'll enact to address them. Of course, logic and reason seem wasted on American voters- he should have just called McCaina secret Muslim and a terrorist, that seems to be the only thing they understand.
- Maverick
While everyone is blaming Republicans for the past 8 years of mistakes, Iraq and the economy, do not forget all their work was approved by the democrats in the house and the senate. The democrats give Bush ok to invade Iraq. The democrats allowed Greenspan to keep the interest rates low to create the housing bubble. So will Obama fix the American problems now that the democrats will have the house, the senate, and the presidency? I doubt it, they could have put a stop to these mistakes before!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Oh and the democrats did approve a tax cut for the 5% of the rich Americans! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Consumption tax. Why not just have ONE tax? NO Tax code required. No Tax on Food, but on everything else. Much less admin, so more tax money goes to fund projects and not the collectors. No Annual Tax return required. We all save a shedload of money there too. The rich spend more than the poor so they'd still pay more.
- Ian May
Consumption taxes have big problems. The obvious one is that it is inherently regressive. No matter how high you set the floor on the policy, the people who make the least will pay a higher percentage. And it encourages a black-market. If you have to pay the price plus 20%, someone will offer the product for just the price and make a killing.
- Andrew
Anyone else notice that the video closes with "Barack Obama - President"? Given the kerfuffle over the rumor that he already has a draft of his inauguration speech, why give the GOP any more 'already measuring the curtains' fodder? That said, seeing the words gave me a happy chill down my spine. Maybe they figure the good chills overpower the bad.
- Kevin Fox
OK so consumption tax could create a black market. However, income tax does the same in it's own way. I'll fix your widget, and you pay me cash, and no tax is paid on that income. So surely, same argument?
- Ian May
I am not fixed in anyone's talking points or ideology. I have considered Obama and his party, and I find them lacking. I do find him to be a very clever politician, this video being evidence. Obama has used special interests and divisiveness the entire time he has climbed the political ladder, and I have no reason to believe he will suddenly change when he is elected President.
- ComicList
Ian - It is the same thing to a degree. A consumption tax creates a system of organized crime. In order to be a illegal seller have to get the goods from somewhere. You have to setup shop and keep people from ratting on you. You have to have criminal employees. And organized crime typically leads to violence and other problems. A one off non-taxed transaction now just involves you and the service provider. There is less room for other criminal complications.
- Andrew
Are we voting for issues or for greatness? Maybe we should be electing Madonna?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
It is clear to me Obama is taking the recent polls seriously, otherwise he would not be proposing a "top to bottom audit." He's trying to out-McCain John McCain, and most likely he will succeed.
- ComicList
Chuck - How has Obama used divisiveness? Honest question.
- Andrew
Keep in mind, though, I have never looked for a "great man" to "rebuild America," least of all someone who doesn't understand the role of the President, the role of the federal government, or the Constitution. Yes, Obama is serious thinker, but he's not great and he's not my hope.
- ComicList
In the end, when he wins, Obama will have my prayers, not only that he accepts Christ as his Saviour, but that Obama helps us all understand that men, great or small, and government, are not the answer and not our hope.
- ComicList
@thepete, unfortunately, your assessment is accurate.
- ComicList
Hear hear, Chuck! The answer are the People! We need to educate ourselves not follow the heard!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Occasional Headbanger, one recent example: he told his followers to get into people's faces if they thought those people were not going to vote for Obama. My wife was shopping yesterday at our local mall, and the three Obama supporters in line before her were harrassing the clerk trying to ring up their purchases, demanding she say she would vote for Obama. When she said she didn't want to talk about politics, they denounced her as a racist.
- ComicList
Obama has spent his campaign time trying to turn his supporters against McCain supporters, the poor against the rich, and worst of all, blacks against whites. I don't believe he's seriously interested in ending partisanship when partisanship has been his bread and butter.
- ComicList
Nothing new! On Friend Feed if you do not agree with an Obama A-Lister with support for Obama, you get blocked! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I am a registered Republican and I can admitt that this video is great. But I will not be voting for Obama ... I have had him as an IL state senator and a US Senator. Obama has done very little actual work. He is a great speaker and motivator, but not a good implementer or problem solver. He will probably surround himself with good people, but we said the same about W and Colin Powell. Obama does not get my vote
- John Head
from twhirl
True on blocking people that do not like oboma. I have been blocked by many people.
- Csturm
@comiclist: Are you serious? Obama is a Christian. Not that that should matter. What kind of BS have you been listening to?
- Tanath
Apple is contributing $100,000 to fight Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that would define marriage as only between a man and a woman. The company's announcement today came as the fight over Prop. 8 grows hotly contested, with recent polls showing the race tightening.
- Leo Laporte
You won't see any new Apple products in my house. That is low. A private company supporting a political cause, that a majority of Americans disagree with. That was a dumb move. You've lost mine, and many others' business, Apple.
- Kevin Porter
from twhirl
I will keep my iPod nano, thank you, and likely buy another. However, I think it would make more sense is Steve put the money up himself and not directly involve the company.
- Shawn Poulson
Kevin, you sound like a homophobic person. -1 Way to go Apple. +1 for you. :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Molly, I'm not homophobic. I am a supporter of the sacredness of marriage. Marriage was ment to be for a man and a woman only, not a man and man or a woman and woman. It is not right, nor is it naturally given to us.
- Kevin Porter
from twhirl
@Kevin, you're confusing different types/meanings of "marriage." Religious marriage is not the same as legal or social/cultural marriage. Religious marriage is (and should continue to remain) separate from legal marriage. (Though they're usually held simultaneously). Forcing others to adhere to your opinion is what's not right.
- Tanath
Hey Kevin - I am so thankful of Apple. My civil rights are being stripped away by people like you who use nonsensical talking points. It is disgusting that people who live in another state are pouring millions of dollars into Prop 8. The love between a man and a man and a woman and a woman, is not second class. We will not sit in the back of the bus anymore!
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Since I just got marrried recently to my partner of 16.5 years (straight), I think my gay and lesbian friends and a gay relative deserve the same right. We had a civil ceremony, and the day we got married, we were very touched by the gay and lesbian couples marrying at the same time. I hope and pray these people's marriages will not be voided on Nov. 4th. They deserve the same rights that my husband and I have enjoyed.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
civil rights are what laws give you! or am I wrong?
- directeur
Why shouldn't Apple contribute...we talk about corporations acting ecologically friendly why shouldn't they act morally as well. Apple is saying they have a valued segment of employees that will be negatively affected by others who are trying to take the current rights they hold away. Standing up for your the civil rights of your employees is admirable and Apple will continue to be a company I support.
- Sidney
"morally" ? you must be kidding. This "morally" adjective is also used by the ones against it. Business is one thing, social life-style is another. All this is marketing, and a cheap one ; 100.000 for such advertising, now this is "marketing"
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Kevin: your bigotry and old ideas are not well thought out. Personally I wish our society would separate the legal rights of marriage from the religious/cultural implications of same. I don't really care what you want to do in your own church, but when it comes to legal rights everyone should be treated equally. Kevin: you sound like those who argued against civil rights in the 50s/60s. Amazing that such ideas still exist in modern society.
- Robert Scoble
I see it as Apple supporting the civil rights of its gay and lesbian employees. If you don't like gay marriage, don't enter into one.
- Michael Markman
Markman: So since I do support gay marriage then I should enter into one? :-) Someone had to say it!
- Stephen Foskett
Kevin: Your feed has some old status updates where you support the Presidential candidate who dumped his sick wife to marry a younger, richer woman that he had an affair with. Now that you've decided to vigorously support the sanctity of marriage, shouldn't you be advocating the candidate who has stuck with one wife his entire life?
- Bruce Lewis
But if gays get civil rights, soon everyone will want them...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
100k? that's like 1k to a company like apple....
- Patricia
Bad move, Bruce, now the McPalin campaign will spend millions trying to accuse Obama of multiple secret infidelities that began before he entered kindergarten! (I had to edit that; it could take a really sick turn)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
While I personally support "No on 8," and I appreciate Apple's donation, I have to admit I get a bit queasy when corporations can donate such huge amounts to political causes. It has the capability of putting their interests so far ahead of everyone else's, and that could easily be abused (and has, I might add).
- Glen Mistletoe
Ain't that McCain's October Surprise? Some woman that'll claim she's Obama's babymomma?
- Victor Ganata
Victor: if they had something like that they would have already pulled it. The early voting is locking in the vote every day (you should see the lines all over the country). McCain's campaign is in dire trouble and they needed to pull something like that a week ago, not next week.
- Robert Scoble
If the LDS as a Church (aka religious corporation) can donate why can't Apple?
- Sidney
aka Taylor: not to mention that LDS isn't even located inside California. Apple is and its employees are totally affected when they lose their rights due to a church trying to take away legal rights.
- Robert Scoble
If the prop passes it only puts off the inevitable. Freedom always wins out in the long run.
- Internet's Tad
Most homosexual people i know own at least one apple product (a macbook in most cases). that's because apple's are not asw ugly as the rest of the "techie things". I am not gay, and i personally like the old IBM thinkpad design. so fo Apple such a move is quite logical, and, it will generate a tremendous ROI! as for Kevin - mate, don't show too much of your (nothing personal) ignorant views. it's actually a fact that homosexuality is normal for most animals. agree or disagree, but we are animals as well
- Kirill Bolgarov
what a sad f'in country America is that this is even necessary. Just pathetic.
- Maverick
Robert and aka, to clarify: The LDS church is not donating for Yes on 8. They are encouraging their members to support the multi-faith group "Protect Marriage" that supports Prop 8. I would be more careful in terms of how that is portrayed, though the misunderstanding is easy.
- Louis Gray
Louis: ABC news radio was reporting today that 30 to 40% of the Yes on 8 ad money came from the LDS church. In any case, that's hardly any different. This is an issue that in 50 to 100 years your organization will end up apologizing for, just like churches have had to apologize for being on the wrong line of justice and decency before.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yes, the link shows 30-40% of the ad money has come from church members. The church has itself not donated.
- Louis Gray
I'm sorry to say this, but this ignorance makes me really sad. It's the 21st century and people hate homosexuals. It's sad that homosexuals can't get the same rights as hetro married couples. I'm sick of people going, "Oh It's immoral." People don't choose to be gay, yeah, people LOVE getting discriminated and attacked. Oh yeah, I'd so love that.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Louis: interesting that you make a distinction between an organization and its members. I do not. They are one and the same, particularly when leaders of that organization are encouraging the members to do something specific.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, also, this pro-8 campaign was actually instigated by the Catholic church, and the LDS church jumped on after being approached by the Catholic church if I read right. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_1079... It's not to be ignored though that a large percentage of the LDS Church members are in support of it regardless.
- Jesse Stay
Several churches (including my own, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) have voiced long-standing opposition to gay marriage. While these churches may not themselves be directly donating, they are certainly contributing in kind (see the LCMS page I stumbled upon earlier).
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
That having been said, I do differentiate between an organization and its members. Not every person who walks into an LDS or whatever church agrees with its teachings (most notably pro-choice Catholics, and Quakers such as Nixon who fought in World War II). There are probably many Apple and Google employees who support Proposition 8. McCain has voted against Republicans, and Obama has probably voted against Democrats. Few organizations if any reflect their members 100%.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Several churches (including my own, the United Church of Canada) have voiced support for same-gender marriage. My husband and I first applied for a marriage license about 20 years ago, and we had to wait a while to get it. ;) As for Kevin's comments, they remind me of a cartoon I saw in the paper, which depicts two couples, drinks in hand, chatting at a party, with one of them saying: "Gay marriage makes a mockery of all three of my marriages."
- Jerome