It's a shame that FF is not growing yet has all better features over the likes of Twitter and Facebook but what is causing the lack of growth and what could be done to increase growth in FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
FF is too much work. Consumes time, needs a lot of effort and most people are happy with one-to-one than one-to many interactions. Twitter wins.
- vijay
FriendFeed fits in a space in between Twitter and Facebook. There is very little reason to join FF if you are already using both Twitter and FB.
- Daniel Sims
Is it down to 'missing' features? Is the poor introduction for new users to blame?
- Kol Tregaskes
Vijay, yeah it can be pretty complicated for the new user, how would you make is simpler?
- Kol Tregaskes
if you make it any simpler it becomes twitter. Only way to go is to get users to replace their Blogs with FF. I think that's what they are working towards.
- vijay
I have replaced some of my blogs with friendfeed. I think it's excellent for blogging (microblogging).
- Svartling
from email
Vijay, you meant for writing your own blog articles? Yep, that would be great. All I'd really need it a few HTML options in the first comment to do this. Nothing too fancy. Then I could blog from FF, embed it on my site and everything is synced, comments and all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Svartling, I've done the same thing also.
- Ashikur Rahman
I think what needs to be done is have a clear "walk-through" example of setting up one's full social media life on FriendFeed. It's a great box of toys for exploring and tinkering -- but trust me, new users will be quite daunted at first unless they have some hand-holding
- Ashikur Rahman
Ashikur, I see this all the time as I seek out new users to welcome them each day. A lot post their first entry as "what do I do now?". Once new users have completed the registration process they are put on friendfeed.com with no other explanation. A nice Flash anim is needed here to show the new user the basic features of the service.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF should go all the way and become a fully-featured Twitter client. People will join and stay for that, then eventually fall in love with FF. Right now, FF's integration with Twitter is just half-way done and causes more confusion.
- Daniel Sims
Make it a fully-featured Twitter client with better blogging functionality.
- Svartling
If I could import my non-FF Twitter friends, keep it refreshed if I unfollow them and swap them to FF users if they join, then I'd use FF as my Twitter client. But the likes of Seesmic Desktop provide all sorts of useful features like RT and tabs for replies for multiple Twitter accounts and DMs.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF requires more time to enjoy. Many of the features are probably difficult for new visitors to see or find. The interface may be overwhelming and it may be a bit too "Zen" in appearance for most people. People used to Twitter may find it harder to connect to others (they may find the lack of @ replies as a communication hurdle). The API isn't exploited as widely as Twitter's. Mobile...
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- phil baumann
FF hasn't gotten the buzz Twitter has. It's seems harder to find like minded people on FF. Maybe, I just don't know how to do it. I love the pictures and the ability to have real conversations. I hate 140 character rule of Twitter. Twitter more people are just talking. Not as many listeners. Lots of marketers and life coaches on Twitter. Don't like that. I like "rooms" on FF. I like...
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- Kimber Scott
What I dont like is to properly track watch my friends, I have to follow FF, twiter, and facebook.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
Kimber, interesting points there. Twitter is definitely a broadcast tool whereas FF is a discussion tool.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have noticed with friends that FF requires some usage on the part of the individual, so it's a hard sell and steep learning curve that way. Most of my friends I introduce here see a relatively blank page, with just my posts. They're timid to subscribe, and thus see a really whitewashed space.
- anna sauce
Anna, agree about it being a hard-sell. I think the email features should be plugged more. I think there is a big market of users that I used to emails and know nothing about social media beyond Facebook. I'm trying to tempt a few friends onto FF via the email features, to them it's a matter of registration then emailing me to a different address. Eventually they may move onto the site and use all the regular features.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think FF is too much for people new to social media I don't know. I think the realtime thing kinda pushed a lot of people away as well. I'm finding myself finding more people I'd rather interact with on Twitter and Facebook than FF. Discussions are nice, but they are time consuming. For anyone with a job that doesn't allow them to be online, a family to take care, a house to take care...
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- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I'd also like to see it pushed as a collaborative tool. It works really well in this sense. Businesses could use FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another thing that bothers me on FF is a user issue, but I think with some encouragement from FF is could be improved: There are too many blank profiles. People should be encouraged to say 'something.' It takes a lot of work to see if you want to follow somebody, if they have a blank profile. Also, private feeds are so off putting. I know they should be an option, but it's very hard to...
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- Kimber Scott
from email
Personally I like the rate of growth, after all a good wine needs time to reach its full potential.
- Kevin J Hatton
Heh, Kevin. I'm not after Twitter or FB like growth but any growth would be nice. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Some of it is habit. And herding behavior. If their friends use it, then they want to. Maybe FF should be all about quality rather than quantity. I stepped through many people to help them start up. Showed them how to use the bookmarklet. None of them wanted to use it. It's a new technology in its own right. Sometimes peeps are just set in their ways?
- Marg Uerite
Peeps have to have a certain level of computer literacy sophistication, just to appreciate it!
- Marg Uerite
Kimber, the user settings page is presented to new users when they register but the description is only optional. I'd like to see an explanation of how and the benefits to why to fill in this be displayed with the tutorial.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, exactly what I was thinking - a little education will solve so many issues.
- Kimber Scott
from BuddyFeed
FriendFeed needs to think through its use cases, & survey users for their preferences between them. Examples are FF as feed reader (needs a "Subscribe to this blog" bookmarklet), or the FF as Twitter client++ mentioned above by several people, which I'm also big on. Then, once decided, make it clear for new users through usage videos, UI "obviousness" improvements, etc. how it works....
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- Alex Schleber
the main reason why friendfeed doesnt catch fire is its lack of complete profiles...i cant search for people from munich,...or from my schools, etc, etc,... FAIL
- Chris Hofmann
I kinda wish I had a local search of somekind. One way that twitter first grabs users is by finding others around you that use it as well as easy tweetups.
- tomit
from iPhone
... and, why do I have to go all the way up to the start of a conversation to comment? Especially when it's a long one?
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
Chris makes a very good point and so does Ashikur. No complete profiles. On FB you can pretty much trust that the person is a real person by looking at the profile, you get a sense of community, you can find people you know, or used to know, etc., etc. Ashikur's point should be very easy to fix.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Mass media is driving twitter adoption nothing else.
- Geoff Schultz
Odd, isn't it. Traditional media pushing the latest "new media" trend.
- Jason Nunnelley
Having just switched over to using Friendfeed for all my social networking, I can say that making this a full-featured Twitter client would bring more people in. Once here they'd realize that's not what it's really about. But the halfway method that exists now is a major deterrent.
- John Ladd
Kol, IMHO: 1) The barrier to entry increases with the character limit and inversely to the photo count. 2) Let's face it, the biggest differentiation from twitter is not comments (twitter has @ replies) or the better search (although, that's big) or attachments (twitter has 3rd parties for that) -- the differentiation is groups, yet the process of finding a group is still pretty awful (by searching - the results are cluttered at best) or non-obvious (by clicking on someone's subscribers and scrolling down).
- tollie williams
The easiest thing about FF is the aggregation. The harder elements at first are saved searches and building up new friends on FF. overcome these two harder elements and it should move better.
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
biggest reason is publicity. no Oprah, no plusk. no MarkZ.
- MikeAmundsen
Better RSS reading-support would be great - I use FF instead of GReader now for simplicitiy but it's not ideal. Searchable profiles too. Searching by location would be great. I'd love to sub to more people in the UK, London or even locally in Kent but that's hard unless that stated they are from that place or join a local-based group.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ashikur, yeah little, basic things like that are still missing.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a "complete profile" what would you like to see included?
- Kol Tregaskes
Should FF should status updates, e.g. on our profiles?
- Kol Tregaskes
tollie, agree that group search results need a lot of work, what would you like to see on such searches? Number of subscribers, group description?
- Kol Tregaskes
George, how could FF overcome those two issues?
- Kol Tregaskes
Marlin, what suggestions have you seen in FF-Feedback that you think would help FF in growing?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, Re: improving group search. I think the Find groups page should look a lot like WeFollow.com, except where WeFollow has category titles, FF should be organizing the groups by "Most (subscribed/active) among (friends/everyone) (today/this week/this quarter/this year/all time)."
- tollie williams
(Yes, that's 2*2*5=20 possible groups. But you would design it to show 3 categories, with the switches I put in parenthesis as interface elements.)
- tollie williams
Oh, and I forgot to say: the text visible should be "subscribers", but clicking on the INFO button would reveal the group's description and an estimated activity count (similar to the new subscriber emails- "about 10 posts a day" eg).
- tollie williams
We don't tolerate trolls. Hence, flat.
- Steven Perez
Steve's point is most likely it. Trolls don't have an outlet here, which limits traffic to truely useful and entertaining content, rather than purely emotionally focused content. FF may have uncovered one of the core reasons for lack of traffic on any social site, in tandem with xkcd's "someone is wrong on the internet": users empowered to effectively ignore trolls limits rate of growth.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
Turn FriendFeed into an embedded comment system and information stream for websites. Make the fact that it's a widget less obvious, replace the commenting system of the host. Host the conversation outside of FF, and bring it back.
- Marlin Forbes
Post, Kimber added you as a friend on Goodreads. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Kimber. To confirm this friend request, follow the below link: http://www.goodreads.com/friend... &utm_medium=email&utm_source=invite - Kimber (kimberscott.art@gmail.com)
- پـرستووو
from email
It's almost impossible to be a 'casual' friendfeed user. You either go all in and comment like crazy and spend A LOT of time reading and posting and being witty, and if you're really good you might start to get some subscribers. If you don't invest a lot of time, you don't get anything out of it and your feed sits in obscurity with very little social interaction and you wonder whats the...
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- veo
..which reminds me, ff needs to adopt @reply model to be more engaging. :/
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
I think it just needs to be more traditional. Comments start out very compact in my monitor here. Very unlike a forum and has tinier fonts. The post also feels too grayed out. The rest could be improved by discovery. Related posts like blogs. Better integration of services. Finally better unification of comments from all the things it aggregates. For ex. Posterous really won me over...
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- Fake Name
I also went and put the morro.ws widget near the bottom of MHWD website, although I do hope they make the widget customizable in the future before the Firefox addon becomes totally stable (right now the addon is marked as "experimental".) As of right now, you cannot make the Firefox addon for Morro.ws smaller or bigger nor can you change & customize colors, that limits positioning to...
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- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
"Since Facebook’s acquisition of FriendFeed, the real-time feed aggregator service has drawn more attention than ever. It is unquestionably a wonderful service in itself, but some extra tools would improve your FriendFeed experience. Here are some of the most popular FriendFeed tools should help enhance your Friendfeed experience..." - Oguz Serdar's first post on TheNextWeb, find him on FF here: http://friendfeed.com/fcbosa
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
"It’s the year 2009. Shouldn’t we have adopted a universal charger for ALL cell phones and ended this nasty requirement of buying a new charger for each device? We’ve been successful at landing men on the moon (that happened July 20, 1969) – and yet the cell phone companies in the year 2009 are not able to agree on one universal type charger connection." - more info here: http://www.usbfever.com/index_e...
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
LOL, it's a reshare from Google Reader, read it more clearly. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah see I prefer the FF Share function where it actually says 'via' or the RT from that other place. It was confusing to me.
- Travis Koger
cong'rats.. grrrrrrrrr.. been there before.. yikes.. its a reshare.. this is what sucks at FF at times.. community need to read the thread before commenting , based on the title of post !! Haste makes waste .. correct ? Signal vs noise ??
- Peter Dawson
Re read it more clearly, I went to the link and actually the only way I knew it was not you Kol was because you had commented on the link saying congrats to your both. ;)
- Travis Koger
This post is the perfect example of why service icons should never have been removed from FF!
- Scott of Two Countries
Totally thought it was Kol but then i realized he congratulated the two as well and it would be weird (and funny) if he congratulated himself :P
- Wang Yip
Jemm, LOL. But I'm already married to FF. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Jim, no read the link - good grief, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, thanks for the reshare. Just stumbled across this.
- Kamilah Gill
Are you following them on Google Reader ? If you've added them to a contact group, and imported your Gmail contacts into Facebook, you'll see your GR follows.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Ahsan that sounds like a scientific explanation :)
- Ashikur Rahman
The alternative possibility is spookier: Facebook got yo FF connections, yo!
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I checked, and indeed I do see many FF friends in my suggested friends list. But there's a simpler reason for this: certain FF friends and I already friended each other on FB.
- Dennis Jernberg
i think the greader explaiation works in my case... Though dont remember importing my google contacts for at least a year. Thought it was a one time only sync.
- Sajida H Khan
Holmes is back. What is Zuckerberg upto ? Has he cached our login credentials ? Unlikely. Then it could be as Dennis said.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Sajida, same for me. One FFer is suggested by FB, i do follow him in Greader and i do not let FB search my gmail contacts. Maybe those FFers have your email in their contact list and let FB search for friends.
- Nik
from BuddyFeed
If you look at what they did to Grand Central to turn it into Google Voice, that may be a guideline. I expect at least that wave will sit comfortably among voice, reader, and gmail, whether or not it "replaces" anything I'm not so sure. It does seem that greader "social" development may be subsumed by wave... i.e. bits of the wave can be feeds, and may have tight greader integration.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Kol Google Wave + Google Reader is ok, but I doubt if the huge mass of people who are still in the email frame of mind ready for that to replace their Gmail....
- Ashikur Rahman
Yeah, not saying it will be replaced any time soon but you can see it will in the long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
In the developer preview video, we saw a demo of wave integration into orkut, Reader will be wave implemented in the coming year atleast.
- Gtp19
Can't wait for all interesting things that people might get up to with the protocol. FriendFeed are you listening? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
A different take from the US Media. I'm pleased to note that someone also noted that a national newspaper like TOI uses not-so-appropriate English.
- Ashikur Rahman
Dear FF, let's get to the point. What happens to our FF profiles posts, likes, and comments? Will you migrate them to Facebook ? And our subscriptions/subscribers, will you migrate those too ?
I surely hope this is not going to happen automatically, because I do *not* want a Facebook account. I'm sure we'll get a warning before that happens, so that people can opt out?
- Egon Willighagen
I take it from the comments so far that nobody likes the idea of Facebook getting its grubby hands on our FF timelines. I would prefer them to take a run and jump, preferably over a cliff!
- Bill Masson
Well .. the data is already public ... Anyone can get it from the FF api, so ... I don't mind putting it on Facebook. Now if it was private I'd be worried. If the FF team can make a _difference_ to Facebook, I'm willing to give it a chance. Definiing that _difference_ is the tricky part.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Ahsan the audience for my FF feed and by Facebook feed is very different. I'd ideally not want to mix them up. Even if I do, I should get the opportunity to do it on a case-by-case basis....
- Ashikur Rahman
Same here, Ashikur. I'm sure I'd use a separate Facebook a/c for public interaction.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Ahsan: I guess the time has come for me to open a parallel Facebook account. Thanks for the idea btw
- Ashikur Rahman
from fftogo
I'm of the belief that once FF is fully absorbed into Facebook's little censored world, our content will be left behind. Friendfeed as we know (knew) it will cease to exist.
- jcunwired
Lots of people believe in the biblical flood, and santa claus, and the tooth fairy, etc etc - just be calm and wait for confirmation before freaking out
- Chris Heath
I'm not going anywhere, and that means Facebook. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Agree, but it will go at some point.
- Kol Tregaskes
2) The less people remain on here, the more the focus will be on Facebook and the lower the odds of important niche features being preserved during the assimilation
- LANjackal
If they go rid of all the annoying features of FB (which is a lot) and had just the FF features then I'm stay but FB is far too annoying to use.
- Kol Tregaskes
My problem isn't with FriendFeed itself going anywhere. The problem is that Facebook's the one in charge, and you have no idea what they'll do or not do. And in particular, they like to use users and their data in ways most don't really appreciate (assuming the bulk of typical FB users even notice). My problem is with Facebook. I don't want to be a part of Facebook in any fashion. That unfortunately means FF--as I've known it, anyway--is basically over.
- abacab
"Often when a company is acquired, its users celebrate all the new resources the site will have, and congratulate the founders on their success. But this isn’t the way it’s shaping up on FriendFeed, where many users saw FriendFeed as a better alternative to Facebook, and express the very real fear that the FriendFeed community will be destroyed."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
People often don't like change. With a company like FaceBook, the reputation sucks. Friendfeed was a welcome respite to the many faceless Social Inhalers. Ah well. Undoubtedly, someone else will come along with something "new".
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
First Facebook became the new Myspace and I virtually spent most of my time there ignoring app invites. I discover friendfeed and just about when I was starting to enjoy this... BOOM...
- Ashikur Rahman