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FF-for-scientists
This is a place to exchange ideas about a "Friendfeed for scientists", as suggested at http://ff.im/2NCpI . Note that we have submitted a grant proposal on this, and hints on other funding opportunities are welcome. Once a feature request has been boiled down, label it with "ff4sci-fr" in a comment, followed by a brief explanation. A FF search for this tag will then produce this list of requested features. Please stick to one feature per post, so we can like/comment it up as a rough measure of support.
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, bosslab, FF-for-scientists, open source & free software news, Open Source, FLOSS: Free Libre OSS, OpenSci Info, Science 2.0, Science Commons, The Life Scientists
bosslab - Boston Open Source Science Lab - FriendFeed group - http://friendfeed.com/bosslab
Greg Tyrelle, Daniel Mietchen, Steve Koch and Cameron Neylon liked this
"collected resources for the Boston Open Source Science Lab (http://bosslab.org)"
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
Ah - is that why you are collecting those old links? Was getting a little confused as to why they were popping up.
- Cameron Neylon
oh, are these old? remember hearing about the initiative some months ago, been looking for good online coverage and only found some of these resources recently
- Mike Chelen
Some of them were - classic moment of confusion, when I ask myself why I hadn't seen it before, then look at the source, realize it is me, and get really confused :-) Then I remember to check the date...
- Cameron Neylon
Article-level metrics group on FriendFeed - http://friendfeed.com/article...
Peter Binfield, Mr. Gunn, Shirley Wu and 5 other people liked this
"A place to share information about Article-level metrics."
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
Great initiative ;-)
- io2a
exciting to see how many new and interesting posts there are on the topic ^_^
- Mike Chelen
Should you be tweeting? - http://www.hubmed.org/display...
Claudia Koltzenburg and Daniel Mietchen liked this
No mention of friendfeed, so what about writing a correspondence piece on this? It could be based on http://ff4s-paper.wikidot.com/start and perhaps also put the recent NIH grant for a "Facebook for Scientists" ( http://ff.im/beKk7 ) in perspective by providing an overview over existing tools along these lines and why they are not widely used.
- Daniel Mietchen
Forwarded to http://ff.im/beKZB . Please comment there.
- Daniel Mietchen
Now that sounds like a good idea! I'm all for it - especially mention the gazillion "facbook for scientists" already out there.
- Björn Brembs
YouTube - How I Learned to Love FriendFeed (The Director's Cut) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Allison Reece and Kol Tregaskes liked this
Life Scientists FriendFeed group embed from PostGenomic appearing on Nascent http://blogs.nature.com/wp... very nice! - http://www.postgenomic.com/polls...
Daniel Mietchen, Khader Shameer, Pierre Lindenbaum and Bill Hooker liked this
thought it was a custom CSS version of the Friendfeed embed, however it seems they went even further and query the friendfeed api to generate the final output. kudos!
- Mike Chelen
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, Coast to Coast Bio, The Life Scientists, FF-for-scientists, FF Saved Searches
Coast to Coast Bio Podcast Episodes on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search...
Kol Tregaskes, vijay and Deepak Singh liked this
Integrating cell phones and mobile technologies into public health practice: a social marketing perspective. - http://www.hubmed.org/display...
Fwd: LaTeX4FriendFeed: Greasemonkey user script. (via http://friendfeed.com/axiomso...)
friendfeedPoll [v0.1.1] released - Added auto-refresh of poll calculation upon comments being added (or deleted) http://userscripts.org/scripts... (via http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
Kol Tregaskes, Melissa and Sean and Brome liked this
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, FF-for-scientists, education 2.0, Future of Education, secondlife4educators
Fwd: Using social networking tools a la carte for organic chemistry education: wikis, blogs, Second Life, and more - http://www.scivee.tv/node... (via http://friendfeed.com/jcbradl...)
Richard Hudak and Peter Miller liked this
Mike Chelen to Mike's feed, OpenSci Info, Science Commons, FF-for-scientists, Open Access Week, Science 2.0, The Life Scientists
Fwd: RT @plos OA week has a friendfeed room, subscribe today http://friendfeed.com/open-ac... (via http://friendfeed.com/coturni...)
Fwd: Feature requirement for "Friendfeed for scientists": citeable comments... (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
Claudia Koltzenburg liked this
Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, Science in the long run, FF-for-scientists, Research Funding 2.0
A sketch of a rating scheme for science online: http://twitter.com/EvoMRI... gave http://microrevie.ws/reviews... , as per http://microrevie.ws/how-to .
Cameron Neylon, Meryn Stol, Hope Leman and 9 other people liked this
Limitations: (1) 140 chars is too limited to accomodate a typical URI, (2) needs to be coupled to author ID, (3) only one rating dimension as of now.
- Daniel Mietchen
if we could aggregate a whole bunch of different comments from different sources and translate them automatically to fit? Or provide a link to the comment rather than the full text of the comment?
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Ok, now I've looked properly. Would probably need to build a slightly more intelligent service but if you could parse links then there are two very nice things here. One is linking id, and review via URLs but the other is that this actually matches the PubSub-Syndicate mechanism that Jon Udell talk a lot about much better than commenting on websites (...now where is that half written blog post...?)
- Cameron Neylon
the comment text from people usually contains even more helpful information than rating metrics
- Mike Chelen
Daniel: what about linking by DOI?
- Mike Chelen
DOIs can still be very long - plus you'd probably want to give them in the http form so that makes them even longer. Mike, agree the text can be more useful but if it is held somewhere else then the tweet only needs to reference it via a shortened link was what I was thinking
- Cameron Neylon
The DOI problem could be solved if the @hreview service were to expand the shortened URL per default.
- Daniel Mietchen
Also, we need a URI scheme for anything on the web, from blog entries to wiki edits to @hreview ratings.
- Daniel Mietchen
Cameron:probably the posts could contain shortened DOI URLs that were expanded in the underlying hReview
- Mike Chelen
Daniel: can the hCard support be used to integrate with other author ID systems?
- Mike Chelen
Yes, hCard can do this: http://microformats.org/wiki... . What we need is a functional author ID scheme.
- Daniel Mietchen
What would be a suitable license for ratings? http://www.opencritics.de/ use http://creativecommons.org/license...
- Daniel Mietchen
CC-BY-ND certainly makes sense for the pure values (text or numbers) of the ratings, but isn't it too restrictive for reuse, e.g. aggregation?
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel: there are clauses to specifically allow collections, but it's never been clear to me exactly how ND applies to subsets or programmatic reuse.
- Mike Chelen
Nor to me, Mike, but the opencritics are open to criticism (I had to bring that) and suggestions, and have lawyers to sort such things out properly. More to come on that by tomorrow - just had them on the phone.
- Daniel Mietchen
Examples of CC-licensed ratings provided by OpenCritics: http://bit.ly/JwQiH (simple), http://bit.ly/42H3l3 (more detail) - scroll down in both cases.
- Daniel Mietchen
Further thoughts on such rating schemes for science: http://bit.ly/2xJpKD , http://bit.ly/18jc9o and http://bit.ly/5HzJR .
- Daniel Mietchen
Emerging impact measures based on @tweprints stats are described at http://bit.ly/FZp7a .
- Daniel Mietchen
hmm, 140 characters won't work. We need an article social activity aggregation service, could then be mirrored onto twitter or where ever. Like stramosphere, but just for articles. Euan should write it.
- Ian Mulvany
Should note that CrossRef is thinking of creating alternative shortened DOIs that could address some of these problems. Working name is "toydoi". Advantage of CrossRef is we could avoid spam-plague faced by traditional URL shorteners. Would be good to hear from interested parties to understand use cases.
- Geoffrey Bilder
Ian, I think that "article social activity aggregation service" is a good description for what Mendeley are up to - still a bit rough a toy, but improving very fast.
- Daniel Mietchen
Geoffrey, good to read that. However, the length of DOI is just one problem, and more pressing from my point is to develop a DOI-like URI scheme for anything cited in a scientific context (and for anyone citing, too), e.g. via automatic deposit at places like Webcitation or Portico (and using some sort of author ID). And before going public with that working name, they might wish to invite comments from speakers of Vietnamese.
- Daniel Mietchen
So we've also been thinking a little bit about how to assign identifiers to new forms of scholarly communication- thinks like blogs, wikis, data sets, etc. Some background can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/m68jlq
- Geoffrey Bilder
Yes, that's useful background. Do you have an update on the current situation?
- Daniel Mietchen
hReview supports multiple rating dimensions if the site could use it
- Mike Chelen
Google are about to roll out what they call "Rich snippets" for selected sites, harvesting info provided via hreview, RDFa or similar: http://bit.ly/3bGVlE & http://bit.ly/SxWES . Would be nice to see this coupled (for scientists logged in with their author ID) with ratings like at PLoS ONE.
- Daniel Mietchen
Microformats for biological (and possibly even other, e.g. chemical) species ( http://microformats.org/wiki... ): "Imagine viewing a web page with a reference to a species - and being able to use an add-on to you browser to be taken directly to information about that species, on, say, Wikipedia, or Wikispecies, or Google Images, or another site, such as in an academic database, of your choosing."
- Daniel Mietchen
@Daniel - check out NameLink from Enc of Life - exactly what you are talking about. http://labs.eol.org/...
- Peter Binfield
Thanks, Peter: Yes, EoL was in the mind of the writer of this phrase (he also quotes Wilson), but NameTag and the species microformat are two different approaches to this goal, and only the latter bears some resemblance to article-level metrics.
- Daniel Mietchen
A similar project: http://project.guiguan.net/ScoreFi... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Interesting discussion going on at http://groups.google.com/group... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Wonder what might be a good basis for building a similar service?
- Mike Chelen
For the record: Facebook Acquires FriendFeed - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/science...)
An open-source alternative to FF is being discussed at http://friendfeed.com/clonefe... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Fwd: Pipes: FriendFeed API v2 (proof of concept) - http://pipes.yahoo.com/loucyph... (via http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
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Fulaan, Mike Chelen, Jean-Claude Bradley and Graham Steel liked this
Perhaps a useful place to start from on the way to sharing larger numbers of files (hosted elsewhere) via FF.
- Daniel Mietchen
GERMAN WAVE CAMP 2009 - a BarCamp on Google Wave, plus weekly meetings in Berlin - http://wavecamp.mixxt.org/
Björn Brembs liked this
"Dieses Netzwerk dient der Vorbereitung und Planung des German Wave Camp 2009 in Berlin sowie dem monatlichen WaveWednesday in Berlin. Diese (Un-) Konferenzen sollen dazu beitragen die gesellschaftliche Innovation rund um das Google Wave Federation Protocol in Deutschland zu fördern und die an diesem Ziel Interessierten miteinander zu verbinden. Das Wave Protocol wird die Art, wie wir im Internet als Menschen zusammen arbeiten verändern."
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
Small correction: the Wave meetings in Berlin are called "WaveWednesday", but they seem to be monthly ("monatlichen"), not weekly meetings.
- François Dongier
Thanks for the correction, François. So it's even more unfortunate that we missed the one yesterday. Perhaps there is some way to join in via FF/ Twitter?
- Daniel Mietchen
Right, we can subscribe to this FF search: http://friendfeed.com/search... . Also, the Wave protocol Google group (http://groups.google.com/group...) mentions a wiki: http://wavewednesday.com/doku...
- François Dongier
Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, Science in the long run, Science Online, eResearch, FF-for-scientists, Citizendium
Syndicated Web ratings again - http://blog.citizendium.org/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/9c68830...)
Mike Chelen liked this
"Should there be a universal standard, like RSS, that enables people to rate (and otherwise describe) websites — and to syndicate that data? If there were such a standard and such syndicated data, search engines could seed their results in creative ways using the data."
- Daniel Mietchen
Sounds too easy for spambots to manipulate.
- Ruchira S. Datta
The answer's in your question, I think: no, as RSS / Atom are already syndication standards. You can put hReview markup on web pages and in your feeds right now and a whole bunch of services will understand it (not least Yahoo! and Google).
- Euan
@Ruchira - in general yes, but less so in environments with consistent ID schemes based on real names, e.g. Researcher ID. @Euan - thanks for the hint at hReview, I was not aware of it.
- Daniel Mietchen
Another approach is at http://bit.ly/uDQzR - "the first open database for user ratings and reviews."
- Daniel Mietchen
A similar idea is "Vote Links" at http://bit.ly/N5mnp : "We propose a set of three new values for the rev attribute of the <a> (hyperlink) tag in HTML. The new values are "vote-for" "vote-abstain" or "vote-against", which are mutually exclusive".
- Daniel Mietchen
Discussion continued at http://ff.im/47WYV .
- Daniel Mietchen
Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, FF-for-scientists, The Life Scientists, Research Funding 2.0
National Science Foundation. Digging for fresh ideas in the sandpit. - http://www.hubmed.org/display... (via http://friendfeed.com/researc...)
Richard Akerman, A Roy, Björn Brembs and Andrew Su liked this
This might be a good model for any blog3-type conference.
- Daniel Mietchen
Only that it needed to be in written form, or else brilliant speakers would dominate the competition (not necessarily the best ideas). But the idea is great, in principle.
- Björn Brembs
Unilever Centre for Molecular Informatics, Cambridge - Google Wave first reactions « petermr’s blog - http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs...
Björn Brembs, Jean-Claude Bradley and Cameron Neylon liked this
"So GW potentially provides everything I have been waiting for for 10 years. An integrated infrastructure, with sufficient tools to make rapid progress. That relieves me from the burden of organising input, parsing, workflow, storage, dissemination. And concentrating on what I really want to do which is to build chemically intelligent systems. Bobby Glen and I put this idea forward 8 years ago as an eScience grant proposal “The world wide molecular matrix”. It was perhaps naive and optimistic in places and the 2002-zeitgeist would anyway have killed it. (The grant didn’t get past the middleware weenies who were looking for “Grid stretch” - a meaningless term which ensured the funding went to infrastructure based on the rather arrogant idea that academia knew how to build world-beating middleware)."
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
More: "The key thing is collaboration. The BO [Blue Obelisk] has shown that if we work together we get a good mixture of complementarity. GW might be the next impetus – I don’t know. But I am sure that if we keep developing componentware – CDK, Jmol, OpenBabel, JUMBO, OSCAR/OPSIN, etc. we’ll end up being ideally suited for the next wave. And if that is GoogleWave, fine. If not we’ll recognize it when it comes."
- Daniel Mietchen
Trying to crowd-source the evaluation of blog posts nominated for the 3 Quarks Daily blog prizes ( http://bit.ly/CD4bI ): rate candidate posts at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... on Insight, Reliability, Style and Up-to-dateness.
Carol Waller and Björn Brembs liked this
This is meant as a test of a rating system as used at PLoS ONE. The vote on the prizes closes on June 7 but there is no need to have this finished by then (though it would be nice to have the whole list evaluated by the time the prizes are awarded, i.e. June 21).
- Daniel Mietchen
If someone else has voted on the same item before you, please separate by commas. I started out with No. 64 ( http://bit.ly/3QD-064 ) and will add some more once I've read them. Votes for your own entries should be marked with a trailing zero (i.e. 40 instead of 4).
- Daniel Mietchen
Updated the link to the list of the blog posts - saves you one click.
- Daniel Mietchen
Just rated #60 - very good, too. added decimals to force-distinguish between single entries. http://bit.ly/3QD-060
- Daniel Mietchen
#24: Distracted by the sound (much less the images), and I have seen many such "data-turned-art" things before, so I couldn't share the enthusiasm of the writer. Anyway, some interesting quotes: "the visual and auditory raw material for "Brilliant Noise" is all actual data. The artistry lies in arranging, editing and filtering that data" and "One could argue that in this film, the...
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- Daniel Mietchen
#27: on spot. quote: "While blogs have their downsides, at least there is usually just one person responsible for what you're reading. In some ways, that gives bloggers an advantage over mainstream journalists, who may have very little control over the way their piece is edited and presented. First impressions count, and in mainstream science journalism, editors have a lot of control...
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- Daniel Mietchen
#91: he certainly has fun with it, and it might be contagious to high schoolers. http://bit.ly/3QD-091
- Daniel Mietchen
#90: A diary-like summary on what drove him to marine biology. http://bit.ly/3QD-090
- Daniel Mietchen
Perhaps it's time to let this room know about Google Wave, so I shared "Six Ways that Google Wave is Going to Change Your Business, Career and Life | Think Vitamin" - http://thinkvitamin.com/dev... (via http://friendfeed.com/google-...)
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"I believe there are six reasons why Wave is going to have a huge impact on you. However, this is all predicated on mass adoption of the technology. If no-one uses it, then obviously it won’t have a world-changing affect. However, I strongly believe Wave is going to achieve mass adoption for these reasons: 1. Google has the world-wide audience necessary. 2. Google has the cash in order to market Wave and promote its benefits. 3. There is a huge financial benefit to working more efficiently. People who use Wave will be able to work faster, thus leaving behind those that stick to good-ol-fashion SMTP email. 4. Wave is open-source (more on that below). If you want, you’ll be able to run Wave on your internal corporate network, without ever sending a single byte of data to Google. 5. You can run it on the cloud, thus reducing in-house IT costs."
- Daniel Mietchen
Once every item on FF has a URI ( cf. http://friendfeed.com/ff-for-... ) , they should be ratable on a set of useful parameters. PLoS ONE uses "Insight/ Reliability/ Style", I would rather go for "Insight/ Reproducibility/ Up-to-dateness/ Style". If aggregated (separately for contributions and contributors), these ratings could then turn into new impact metrics.
Steve Koch and Björn Brembs liked this
Metrics based on "likes" already exist: http://comments.deasil.com/2008... .
- Daniel Mietchen
I think "like" is about the most rating the majority of people are going to go in for.
- Mr. Gunn
Sure, but _some_ people will start using these other options once they are there, and scientists (as opposed to "most people on FF") who have taken the time to read a piece in its entirety (or almost) may be willing to give this little extra time for a rating, especially if they know that impact metrics can be constructed also on the basis of their ratings.
- Daniel Mietchen
An example for how ratings can be aggregated is given at http://feedback.mendeley.com/pages... . In a research context, the number of votes available to an individual could be tied to (recent) past performance, and proposals beyond a rating threshold would have an easy track to get funded.
- Daniel Mietchen
The source code for http://www.jaiku.com/ is available via https://www.google.com/account... . Perhaps that's worth a look.
One type of feature might be simple addition of feeds like http://www.hubmed.org/search... (see error message).
Björn Brembs liked this
I have recently started to move some of my feeds over here, e.g. to http://friendfeed.com/brain-m... , but servers like those at HubMed do not seem to be happy with the high frequency of querying by FF, and I think once per day or so would well be enough.
- Daniel Mietchen
This feed, by the way, is now included (no results so far, but I want this group to be informed quickly if such a paper comes out), so the problem appears to be temporary.
- Daniel Mietchen
And yes, I tried adding the feed both via the feed links provided by HubMed and via a simple search URL as in the example, which FriendFeed treats as a blog.
- Daniel Mietchen
So in terms of features, perhaps we could just ask for a throttle setting on feeds?
- Bill Hooker
ff4sci-fr: Optional throttle for feeds.
- Daniel Mietchen
update: FF stuff told me they query at about 40min intervals - this should be OK with any server that provides feeds, I guess.
- Daniel Mietchen
Trackbacks of anything "shared" from within FF should be visualizable. Potentially a good impact metric.
Possibility to add images like (or along with) comments. Example: http://friendfeed.com/music-c... is on a paper that came out today, some days after I was notified of it. Now, I would like to add this picture to the thread as a summary of the study design. This is not possible, perhaps to prevent spam, but should be up to group admins.
Steve Koch liked this
Feature requirement for "Friendfeed for scientists": citeable comments... (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
ff4sci-fr: Any contribution to FF (incl. each comment, image, "like" and, possibly later, rating) should have a URI (possibly in a human-visible relation to the URI of the thread-starting post) to make it citable.
- Daniel Mietchen
Orwik : The Open Science Platform - http://orwik.blogspot.com/ (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
Discussion about them over at http://ff.im/2KT4q .
- Daniel Mietchen
Microblogging the ISMB: a new approach to conference reporting. - http://www.hubmed.org/display...
Now that Daniel's filled in the background, should we generally try to stick to one feature per post, so we can like/comment it up as a rough measure of support?
OK, I put that rule into the header.
- Daniel Mietchen
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