I see a big problem developing for FF network. We have many rooms and they are too specif to a particular topic. Unless we loosen up and stop being experts this network will Fail. We need to make it easily accessible to beginners and make it entertaining before we start discussing industry level dialog.Pretty much make you rooms fun and easy to access by noobs. Enlighten the noobs so they can grow to be responsible users.! Over excessive moderation will kill your room for general public and it will just grow weeds like an old Web 1.0 forum. We may want to set up a general room accessible to everyone where we all go to play and anything goes with light moderation. Maybe Mr. White would be interested in setting up a room like that and getting a bunch with people to help. Keep the room fun and draw a general audiance. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Getting past the mindset of there being some class of people who can be called "noobs" and another class of people who can be called "experts" goes a long way towards making new people feel comfortable. If you just be yourself, show your fellow man respect and allow them to have some dignity, you'll do a lot more than worrying about process and trying to figure out ways to coddle "noobs." - Mark Trapp

Mark do you consider deleting posts that are determined by admin irrelevant conductive to the building a room community, at this early stage of time? Or is it better to let some off topic post be posted and even engage with the poster to guide the conversation toward the meta of the room? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Why don't we talk about the actual issue? You posted a frankly offensive picture of two people having sex with George Bush and Osama Bin Laden's heads juxtaposed on the bodies. That'd be inappropriate in nearly every public forum, even more so in a previously civil and interesting room about social media. Your comments are consistently either offensive, trolling, or off-topic to every discussion. The problem isn't the moderator, it's you. You want a place to do whatever you want? Create your own room. - Mark Trapp

Just to make my point crystal clear for you: you absolutely have the right to whatever you want within the bounds of legality and human decency, but you need to learn to respect the right of everyone else to react and respond to what you do and what you say. You want to post offensive off-topic pictures and harass and troll people? Go ahead, but expect to be moderated and reacted to. That's our right. - Mark Trapp

Your interpretation of what is offensive is your interpretation and not necessary supported by other members of the the room where I posted the picture which was deleted by administrator. Different rooms have different acceptable material. Unless we have a blanket policy in the FF TOS the members do not know what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. I also request you to comment on the content of the network not on user behavior. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

I have invited FF members that Follow me to come here and comment on this! If Mark Trapp wants to start pointing fingers other members of Friend Feed need to contribute to this discussion. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

I guess you were the other guy who posted something that got everyone so riled up. ;-) Except I guess you did it on purpose. Sorry I missed it. - Rick Powell

I posted a parody picture to generate a discussion in a Social Media room. The parody picture is of satiric nature and not pornography! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Mark Trapp: We both know we often disagree on a lot of things, but here I agree with your latest comment. I agree until the word "our" actually. I never use this word "we" in a social context. Of course, you're free to use it (and I'm nothing to dictate your behavior) But IMHO the word "we" is a bit aggressive in a social context in that sense that it implicitely says: "we _normal_ people". That's why I usually use "I". That was my 2cts folks, take it easy :) And oh, I've never seen the picture in question. - directeur

Maybe I should Tweet the picture around to the Social Media and SEO consultant that follow me on Twitter and see what they say? Mark do not go pointing fingers! I can also send a few emails to industry leader friends and have them stand character on my behalf. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

i agree fragmentation is a problem - John Furrier

I am glad we back on topic here. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Comment fragmentation is BY DESIGN. When you are at a cocktail party, do you hear and participate in all conversations? No. So why do you expect that online? - Robert Scoble

Robert, interesting thought. I was thinking about this after I started this thread. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Thanx for inviting me in on this convo Igor but I can't say i'd be a good character witness since I did not see the pic. If it is what I heard and I was Admin, I would have informed you of the possible disturbances the pic would cause and maybe make the same comment on the post. FF is a global site and in some cultures the post could be offensive or in-offensive. If anything I would open it to the other members as to whether they feel offended our not. - Anthony Farrior

Anithony, thanks for coming over. After I posted the pic and a few Social Media members complained, I left a message on the admin page that if he feels the pic is not appropriate please remove it. The pic was not pornographic but a parody. If we going to censor Friend Feed we have to revise the TOS. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Igor: I found the picture to be distasteful. I hid it as soon as it was up on my screen in an attempt to both remove it from my view as well as to keep it from spreading to my friends. If it were posted underneath one of my posts I would have immediately deleted it. That's not censorship. FriendFeed isn't the one deleting stuff: the community is. I hope there's a high standard here that goes above such images. There's plenty of other places on the Internet to post such kinds of images that only serve 2shock - Robert Scoble

Ahhh "2shock". Hmm I'm not in to that kind of stuff so I would have deleted it also. Perhaps a room dedicated to imagery can be made. We shouldn't be overbearing with our ideology. It cuts both ways... - Anthony Farrior

So are we going to have a blanket policy for a whole Friend Feed? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Robert, I think some people may disagree with your request! You should at least talk to them http://friendfeed.com/e... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

hmmm very good thread... will read more of it later. good point Mr Troll - Noah David Simon

Interesting thoughts. Commenting so that I can find it again later - Aviv