"You know, that's a great point Jamie. It's long been one of Twitter's failings (especially since they changed the @ feature), that you only see one half of the conversation unless it's a mutual follow. It's definitely an area where a blog community can prosper and grow - the trick is in finding out what's the most successful, as you say."
- Danny Brown
Probably not. The character limit will keep it from killing blogs. Anyone who has more to share than a sentence would probably do a blog post anyway.
- Nalin Perera
I signed up a while back and encountered errors while trying to sign in. I just tried it again and still getting that same error. No Streamy for me.
- Yolanda
Hmm... commenting on FF from streamy? Where does it show up? (this is a test...)
- Grey Drane
holy crap this is what FB should have been IMHO....this is what I imgine maybe FB+FF might look like?
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
OK, not sure. It's a cool idea, but it's like a slower, less optimal interface for your various social networks. All in one place, sure, but I'm thinking I'd rather keep separate tabs open than have everything crammed into one site.
- Grey Drane
yeah I see what you mean...not sure.....definitely lacking importing of services though for more stuff.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from IM
I hope they've improved performance. When I first got on a couple of months ago I thought it was wicked but then it started breaking on me.
- Justin Whittaker
Signed up a while ago but didn't spend too long. I'll go back and see what the fuss is about.
- Kenton
Just tried to sign in and it crashed (twice). Doesn't look promising.
- Jill O'Neill
Let's blame Scoble (the Robert one) since he seems to be gone from FF now anyway.
- Kenton
Slow as molasses, then crashed. Streamy people reading this thread? Don't get your hopes up that the little influx of FFers are going to stick around long.
- Christopher A Carr
Streamy should be back online and working nice and fast. Whole team was out the lunch when we got a flood of new users, but things are smooth now. Sorry everyone!
- tuxboo
Sarah, brilliant post, thank you. It's hugely valuable to see a side-by-side and to have your opinions on what needs work. We'd definitely like to make FriendFeeders comfortable on Streamy. We'll be back with updates. And hey, Chris, my friend. Don't hate ;)
- Don Mosites
Which Chris? :) I'm not hating, I'm just suggesting that we need to stop making the same mistake over and over again - crowning 'winning tools' - the winning platform is the web - the tools should leverage open standards to create web-wide distributed social networks. Blogs are the right place to start - tools like streamy are great ways to aggregate the community - but not HOST it
- Chris Saad
Opera browser support please. Other than that, it looks pretty good.
- Alejandro
Been using it for months. I must admit it's the best Twitter "in the cloud" client that I've used. Far better than Seesmic Web Client, at least.
- Jordi Soler
Thanks Sarah! Was looking at Streamy earlier today. Just joined and happy to give it a try. Also want to check out AmpliFeeder. Not bailing from FriendFeed yet, but feel the need to investigate alternatives.
- Larry Hawes
This really looks like an interesting concept:)
- Rob Cairns
Joined Streamy today. Oddly, its FriendFeed feed isn't showing this thread...
- Dennis Jernberg
Oh, *there* it is. I see this thread right at the top of my Streamy FF feed now. Commenting from Streamy.
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't get the "New from People" stream. The few conversations that are happening get drowned in all these useless activity updates. I want to see what people are sharing, not what they're *doing*
- Christopher A Carr
And I keep getting signed out of Google for no apparent reason. Lots of little oddities -- lots of work to do before this is usable.
- Christopher A Carr
it would be nice if you could opt out of the 'ping every network' but still link your accounts. I haven't seen any settings for that in squirmy, I mean streamy.
- Holly Rae, FFer
For some reason it isn't letting me log in anymore. I remember when people were anxiously awaiting Streamy, and then with all the delays, it seemed like people just forgot about it :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
If the rumors come true it will be a sad day indeed... this alternative looks interesting though....thanks'
- Bill Masson
Streamy won't be replacing anything any time soon if user's can't log into the service. :o
- Kevin Whalen
no, they're not ready yet... but can they be by the time the need arises? I think it's in there.
- Jim Hearts FF
Hey all, we made some fixes to avoid the crashes you were experiencing on Streamy. Be sure to check back in again soon. Thanks for trying us out!
- Don Mosites
nice ... thanks for the update. Any news on some new features coming up in the future?
- Amani
from IM
I tried it last night. It's wonderful. But the loading speed wasn't that good. Or is it only me?
- Er-fun
Seesmic changes direction and Loic Le Meur gives a brutally honest assessment (video) <-- must watch if you're into seesmic, a techie or web entrepreneur - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Definitely the right move. I look forward to seeing the new site as well as the iPhone app when they release it. I know it's more of the norm in web/tech companies but it's really refreshing to have people who run companies and make business decisions communicate those directly to the user base instead of through some PR person.
- Mike Bracco
if only Loic could refrain from shooting videos of himself and, instead, merely post what he has to say. His accent is unbearable (no improvement since he moved to the bay area) and obviously (but will he ever?) not prepared hence a poor delivery.
- lelapin
i don't think the accents too bad really - heck, its a french accent...not much can be done there
- Zee.
Yeah I must admit his accent has gotten me once or twice. But I quite enjoy it.. Does everyone have to sound the same all the time? On the video, I must say I like his decision and the passion he shows for that decision. Looks like it was tough but he did it.. Kudos
- Rasmus Lauridsen
@lelapin His accent is not CA-based, obviously, but Loic speaks with his heart, not reading a PR. You may see it as not prepared where others would just see genuine sincerity.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
accent? hey he's french, the things is what he says not how he says. good luck @loic
- alex
Perhaps he should have just given it in French - I love speaking French - It's a lot nicer language to listen to when compared to English. And @Loic, about your accent - never try to loose it.
- Robert Freeze
Yeah I can clearly understand what Loic is saying so I'm fine with his accent. Regarding the actual message, I'm thinking that this is a smart move as well. Starting to build community from ground up and bringing videos back later might be something what we read later from web business related books as an example. Well.. at least if he succeeds.
- Petteri
I remember writing that this wasn't going to work when Scoble et al were singing Seesmic's praises. Geeks often call me an idiot (like when I predicted the Kindle would do well), but I'm usually proven right in the end. This is the problem with Silicon Valley, IMO. Too many of you guys create only for yourselves, expecting the wider world to think and behave like you do.
- Dawn
i guess i'd give more props if they hadn't raised TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS... loic's a fine leader and all, but there's just something amiss with the amount raised and the lack of success on the investment. then again, maybe this'll get them where they need to be... ?
- Jeremy Toeman
i support loic and this move, you people need to be less focused on the funding here.
- sean percival
good for you. you people need to stop lumping us people in with each other.
- Jeremy Toeman
i say that not just to these comments, sorry, but to comments left all over the place on this news.
- sean percival
but maybe some of us feel it is extremely relevant... are we not entitled to feel that way?
- Jeremy Toeman
Must be a hard move for Loic, but its the right one if there is no growth in video, you can't build and maintain a company based on it. I wish him and his company the best.
- Kim Landwehr
To be able to openly admit your product and direction needs re-thinking is admirable. Frankly, I thought he was a brown-nosing walking cluster of fluff, but this makes me see him in a completely new light. Best wishes to Loic and Seesmic.
- Mona Nomura
He's making the decision that is necessary for the company to move on. Why is he doing that? Hes doing it to protect amongst other things those "TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS" that have been invested. Most companies don't start out making the products that they end up finding competitive advantage in. A good leader is not afraid to take a company in a new direction when it is needed. It looks...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
@loic Hard move! but the best choice these days; you've got all my support big guy (if needed) ; )
- ledretch
lelapin, maybe we could find you a board titled "really great accents that know nothing about business" you would feel more intelligent commenting on. I am sure Andy Grove had an unbearable accent when he arrived here but thankfully he did not take his accent and his company back to Europe early in the game. I think that to highlight someone's accent and miss the business lesson is the...
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- Chad Harris
I agree. This is the right move for seesmic, and I am happy that it was announced in this fashion. Leaving stuff like this to PR people or some random web site announcement wouldn't have nearly the same impact. With that said, what a great use for video....
- Josh Asbury
LOL I was just trying to answer straightforward. On Twitter, the look of the page of who is following you has changed; shows their last tweet and you can see more info on them without going to their page.
- Anika
Let's see... they screwed up follower counts... cut down the search.twitter.com to just a couple days (used to be a year)... and they added "verified" profiles to certain celebrities pages.
- Paul Reynolds
They REMOVED search on profiles for a day and put it back I think. Does that count?
- Adam Helweh
How long have Trending Topics been in the main page? Maybe over a month now. In my opinion that ruined the usefulness of them because it drew far too much attention to them. Twitscoop is now much better at watching events unfold.
- Jalada
How about the last several months?? And I am talking a new feature not updates to the existing features...
- Mike Wills
Now I've been writing an article on FF for the Dutch Lifehacking blog, I came to realise that thanks to all those (new) features on FF it's not easy to explain in a minute (or in 1000 words) what kind of service it is & how you can use it. While that's what it is with Twitter: it's even possible to explain that service within 140 characters. Clearly, that's what most people want. Some...
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- Ton Zijp
Just saw the vid Zee. Was really looking forward to his success with the new endeavor :(
- jcunwired
its when i saw the video that it hit home really...He actually looks like he can still move and that he was taking the whole thing seriously....man...
- Zee.
Thank you, Louis Gray for including me in one of your excellent "ten people to subscribe to on friendfeed" lists! http://www.louisgray.com/live... And congrats to the other 9 listees!
Someday, I shall supplant you on this list, Alex. Someday...
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
Mwahahaha...you can't supplant me...I'm on the June 2009 Louis Gray list forever!
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Cee, you and I man, we're like the two hidden gems of FriendFeed
- Jorge Escobar
Congrats, Alex. I don't get why you haven't been included either, Cee Bee. Your posts are always interesting.
- Yolanda
That was a pleasant surprise for me, too. I thought it was a good list, and I'm surprised you weren't included before now, Alex. I did like his nice description of how you'll argue with a post. ;-)
- Trish R
1UP, Alex and the other awesome nine people on the list!
- Derrick
Congrats, Alex and Trish! (huh, even that Paul guy made the list this time =)
- Micah Wittman
JungleG is getting greedy. I am going to edit him out of the "5 blogs" post now. :) Cee Bee I tend to miss because he's not as engaged in feeds I see often (he doesn't follow me for example). But that's why we do this every month! More more more.
- Louis Gray
Almost makes you want to do a weekly list, eh, Louis?
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Um. No. Too much dang work because Mike Fruchter set a high standard. :)
- Louis Gray
Hehe...nice. Good to have standards.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
From reading the summary, it seems i've been missing out on begin able to argue about my TV with you :)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I keep writing a congratulations but find it missing upon going back to the entry. So, if this one makes it then please realize I've been trying. Is it BuddyFeed or the coonection? Dunno.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
Perhaps post your favourite theme and whether you like or dislike the themes in the new *official* FF-Themes group here: http://ff.im/4DluG :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Peter, there should be an image inthe lower right corner. What browser/OS are you using? Thanks!
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin Fox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6
- Peter
I'm with Gabe: after considering BlueWave, I went with Helvetica, everything else is just girly. I might just stick with my 'stylish' hacks.
- Joel Bennett
Yea, flowers and stuff are annoying. Helvetica version should be improved for better spacing.
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks, Kol, that's what I was going to ask - if themes conflict with scripts. Sounds like it's cool - heading off to choose one now. I have one stylish userrstyle script and two greasemonkey scripts applied to friendfeed. We'll see if they can all play nice.
- Laura Norvig
works great - I'm trying helvetica now. It's super clean because I have avatars removed. Me likey.
- Laura Norvig
cool... when is that nasty orange "ParisLemon" theme comin? :P
- Susan Beebe
This'll make it prettier when I'm using Chrome anyway. :) I think I'll stick with the Stylish scripts and hacks on Firefox, though - I like the typography modifications they provide. When user-generated themes come in, will they be able to modify the typography/spacing, or just the background and colors? Thanks for the options, guys!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
It's good that ugliness is no more reason #1 to stop connecting. Next I would like to have is d&d to sort out friends in categories
- Michele Costabile
I like the Helvetica, who created it?
- Juvenn Woo
Sorry, but were there no "real" designers to push out some mindblowing themes? It´s just a change of color and background?
- Hans Kainz
Like those themes. Would be nice though, if they also show up if someone visits my page. Or does it?
- Sven
When I click your name, Sven, I get the bamboo theme, which is what I chose. If you have chosen a different theme from that, we know it just remembers yours. It seems to work differently from twitter.
- Rick Cogley
Helvetica all the way! I feel like the nytimes.com
- Liviu Barbat
@Rick: Thanks. I get the idea. The twitter concept would be nice though. Like personalized version of the FF page. Now, if there were archive links now.....
- Sven
"I'm pleased to announce that Ken Camp has joined the mission! Many of you in the community will already know Ken. Ken comes aboard as the Director of Conversation & Marketing. He will be building out and supporting the growing community as well as helping engage bloggers, press and media partners (amongst many other things). Today we held our first post-appointment call - the audio is here. It's worth a listen as it gives some insight into the eComm mission (34 minutes in length, 24 meg in size). I hope that the community both appreciates and supports Ken in his new role! He is there for you."
- Ken Camp
from Bookmarklet
I'm super excited about this awesome new role!
- Ken Camp
So am I...for you! That Lee is a good friend is all the better. I'm happy. Mister Camp, would you be willing to give me an interview as the new Director of Conversations and Marketing? ;-)
- Sheryl
Honey, you can interview me any time, and yes, we can even talk about eComm and my new role. I'd love to talk about it actually. Lots of ideas to share and get out there.
- Ken Camp
I guess I joined FriendFeed a little too early to see this screen. What the hell is this? These are popular FriendFeed users? Evan Williams is a popular FriendFeed user? Barack Obama? Do these people even *use* FriendFeed? What about uh, I dunno - Rahsheen, Mona, RAPatton, Shevonne, Rochelle... you know, popular FF users who actually USE FF! Come on FF staff - please reward the people who actually engage on the service! This screen is simply a popularity measure to make FF look more appealing to outsiders and will cause them to follow people who aren't *really* involved.
- Tamar Weinberg
from Bookmarklet
Tamar, that page reflects the "most subscribed" accounts. It's not hand-selected by FriendFeed, and doesn't indicate how much people are liked or disliked. The reason that folks like Pete Cashmore, Obama and Ev are so high here is because 1) Twitter put them in the suggested user list, and 2) FriendFeed enabled you to sync your followers with Twitter. Tada! I would argue that many there earned their position organically, however.
- Louis Gray
Fair enough. Time to make a change, I think. It's only fair to reward real *FriendFeed* (and not Twitter) active users.
- Tamar Weinberg
hmmm but this is FriendFeed, not Twitter...
- Anna Bourland
yeah this screen has pissed me off oh, since I joined FF
- anna sauce
Yeah. :/ It's sad when people join FF, follow those people on that list, and then get frustrated because of what they're seeing (or not seeing). A lot of them quit FF thinking that it's not nearly as cool as they had heard or hoped.
- Rochelle
Yes the list has some weird people on it, together with some really good FFers. But if they start making up the list on some subjective criteria like "whos a good friendfeeder" won't we end up at the same place as the SUL? I'm weird, I like to slowly build up my stream so I know who I follow and why. That way I get alot of value out of this place, while being gently eased into it. Starting to feel a little bit like the cooked frog though :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
FFholic has a list of the "most active". I think that list is a lot better than the FFholic "most popular" list, which is very similar to the suggested list provided by FF.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, in theory the most popular on FFHolic should match the suggested list by FF. But FFHolic's data is not perfect. Keep in mind I am not saying this is the right approach, but I understand how it works, and it's better than Twitter's nonsense. And you all know I highlight 10 new folks every month who are awesome and off this list.
- Louis Gray
Louis, and thank you for that! I think your list needs more publicity. I try to link to it when I see a new FFer posting about who to follow.
- Rochelle
Louis - Your earlier recommendations were particularly useful :) Amazing how this comes full circle almost a year later. Great catch Tamar
- Charlie Anzman
lovely - nothing like yet another list of mostly users who don't even use ff. i smell a cn post coming.
- Allen Stern
Maybe a system containing activity and popularity. Activity isn't all either. There is also quality of output, not to mention interest. There are alot of popular people I don't follow, not because they suck, but because what they talk about is not what I want to read about. Suggesting users in any service like this is a quagmire of hurt feelings, envy, suspicions, gossip and other parts of human nature that aren't really too pretty to look at.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, how would you determine popularity?
- Rochelle
I think I got sidetracked by my flighty little mind... I should have removed the first part before posting... I evolved during the writing... Need an editor here :-P Popularity has to play a part of the metric, popularity (followers, we be sheep after all), activity, interests/topics. The more I think about it the more I hate the idea of a list, because it will lead to the quagmire of doom.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I don't think they should take anyone off the suggested user list(or whatever it's called), but it's about time they add some new people to it.
- Michael Fidler
I don't know much about programming, but I think trying to mathematically trying to determine interests/topic and then sort out who is most popular would be pretty much impossible.
- Rochelle
Split that page into four lists: Most Subscribed, Most Active, Most Liked, and Most Commented.
- Michael R. Bernstein
You never know, these bright minds are ex googlers after all. They can find algorithms for anything over there at "Don't be evil central"
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Michael, all of that data is on FFholic. :) Perhaps FF needs to take a hint from Arda Kutsal, the FFholic guy.
- Rochelle
how much has changed since my first exposed ff defaults post on 7/6/08 - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - it's great to see justine and barack up there - two people who really participate here.
- Allen Stern
Or, better yet, FF could identify all users who are active within the past few days and/or have above a certain number of likes/comments and then ROTATE those users through a suggested users list. Each refresh gives new faces. Then newbies will see different people they can follow and many of us will get a chance to be featured.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, I totally agree. Maybe everyone that's not active for a year or more, should be moved onto a founder's "honorary" list.
- Michael Fidler
Great conversation and I updated the post to link to this discussion. Thanks for all the input. BTW, if you want an easy way to see all of Louis' "10 people" posts try this search http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Keith - @tsudo
Rochelle, I like that idea very much, let the realtimeness of the place shine through. Could also have a who's active now feature that works realtime. Or a whats going on now with some of the good discussions, based on activity. Then people can pick and choose from the people mixed up in that particular "mob"
- Rasmus Lauridsen
this will be a very important question for friendfeed - do they go the route of twitter or do they try to stay loyal to their fans.
- Allen Stern
Tamar I'm also trying to aggregate the "Best of" links to share with new Friendfeeders here is my list so far http://ff.im/47jWL I'd love to have suggestions from anyone else
- Keith - @tsudo
It may be possible to look at the common words used by FFeeders and construct a list of interests. There is a site already building a list per user. I linked a few days ago after building my word map. Since I'm on the iPhone and not using a machine it isn't easy to flip back and forth. hopefully my memory is right.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
The way it is, this list is exactly what it says it is: the most popular. I don't see how limiting the "popular users" list to only people who actually log into FriendFeed (as opposed to those who create an account and simply allow it to collect their tweets or rss feeds) would be any more valid. If you think what sets FF apart is "community" I disagree. However, it would definitely be...
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- Joel Bennett
Joel - to me it isn't a question of validity its a question of value. If you add Mashable, iJustine, and Barack Obama you'll gain a ton of posts but no community. Friendfeed's value is content + community and conversation. This list only gives 1/3 of the real value. I'd much rather see a list of active members and I think it would help new users "get the point' of Friendfeed.
- Keith - @tsudo
Allen, this isn't the first time this subject has come up here. I’m guessing, but when the site was redesigned, the subject must have come up internally, but I guess they choose to keep it unchanged.
- Michael Fidler
As I understand it, as soon as you start subscribing to other users, that list changes to one based on those you're subscribed to, not FriendFeed in general.
- Tristan Seligmann
Tristan I think this is correct. However Friendfeed should still reconsider the page since all new users will see these recommendations
- Keith - @tsudo
Thanks for the post and Thanks Louis Gray for the pointers on FF I joined a few groups to hunt for people to follow unique to FF only.
- Luke Jeffrey Smith
Two things stand out: (1) new FF users may follow these official recommendations but get disenchanted with the service. That's because users aren't stimulated when FF is simply perceived to be a broadcast medium. By highlighting people who use FF merely to amplify their Twitter feed, you are not getting the community that so many of these people seek.
- Tamar Weinberg
(2) I like Rochelle's idea and I am glad it makes people like Rasmus happy :) Rotate the "popular" list. It gives engaged users the ability to be highlighted repeatedly. Or just reward the biggest contributors by giving them placement on this page. It incentivizes people to be very active, and that's what FF needs, IMO.
- Tamar Weinberg
Hi all, thanks for this spirited discussion and the all great thoughts. This page is something we are definitely working on improving, so we certainly appreciate the feedback!
- Ana
Thanks Tamar! That means a lot coming from you. =D
- Shevonne
Got to love having the FF team respond to our discussions and let us know they are listening. One more reason why I love Friendfeed
- Keith - @tsudo
I agree that a 25% of this list is composed by the absolute most active users, another 25% by the most absolute commented/liked users and the remaining 50% by the same criteria but relative to the same language of the new account.
- Roberto aka postoditacco
from fftogo
as i always point out, i will change the name this time... let's say you are into food and drinks - what good is it to get scoble as a recommendation? or cashmore? etc. i can't wait until ff gives us a whack answer like twitter did :) do i need to get more cupcakes?
- Allen Stern
Allen - LOL you and those cupcakes !! hehe! :) tryin' to pull the cute routine like iJustine did w/ Twitter
- Susan Beebe
Tamar et al - THANK YOU for posting this... The FF list is completely useless to new users unless they want to follow celebrities and A Listers, not the people who actually USE and promote FriendFeed. I've been on FF since March 1, 2008, however have only been recognized by FFholic and a few kind bloggers! :D The FF list really should reflect the community, not just cool trendy names
- Susan Beebe
There is absolutely no reason there can not be multiple lists. That way those who want to subscribe to "famous" people can go their way and those who prefer substance to fame can have their own list. Eventually I sincerely hope FriendFeed will consider making the quality content being accumulated here useful for reference. See http://www.growmap.com/twitter... for more on what I mean by that.
- Internet Strategist
Tamar Thanks for posting this. It got me thinking about what it was like when I first signed up here, except I thought I deleted my original account a long time ago. Over the last month, I've been trying to figure out the date I joined, but all my searches kept coming up short. Thanks to this post and Robert's too, I decided to search FFholic. While conducting a search using my name, I...
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- Michael Fidler
BTW, I can also see why I lost interest initially; I was following suggested users. It looks like I was active from the start though:)
- Michael Fidler
Could we solve this problem ourselves? Let's leverage our community to make our own recommendations. Do you think we could use A Friendfeed Follow Room? http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Keith - @tsudo
I've been suggesting this page be changed for ages now. Sure there are some users there that use FF a lot, like Robert but if you are showing off your service to new users the 'most popular' users are perhaps not the best ones to look at for good feeds and good interaction. I'm not saying it should be the most active either but it certainly should take into account the users activity as well as their popularity.
- Kol Tregaskes
If you subscribe to a lot of the most popular users you are only going to get their Twitter stream, which is not a great demostration of FriendFeed features.
- Kol Tregaskes
I suggested to FF directly that the introduction to new users was poor (as I recently tested it and found it confusing). I suggested that there should be a quick tutorial as soon as the registeration process is complete, with guidelines on the basics of how to post, comment and subscribe as well as how and why to update your bio and services.
- Kol Tregaskes
I also suggested that the tutorial include an interactive section which showed the user how to post a new entry, something generic like Title: "Hello, I've just joined FriendFeed", Comment: "This is my first comment, yippee" :-)". We could then use this in a saved search and check it to welcome the new users aboard. At the moment new users are put on the home page with no clue what to do next and no welcome, making them feel lost and ignored.
- Kol Tregaskes
Too bad I was sleeping when you started this thread. Reward the glorious! :D
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
And I have to thank Ana for taking the time to read my *very* long email on all this. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the idea of the most popular, most liked, most commented and most active list but it should be a combo of all these and not separated into 4 lists. 4 lists would just confuse new users. Keep it simple, make the list more intelligent and perhaps randomise it a bit showing 20 of the top 100 users?
- Kol Tregaskes
From CNET: Updates: Whatever has affected the Rackspace DFW facility has also hit its phone lines, a spokesperson tells us
- Mark
I was wondering why I have all of these emails accumulating in my Outbox. For the record, USUALLY Rackspace is awesome for hosting. We use Rackspace Cloud for http://modea.com/ Rackspace (just Rackspace) for hosting client sites, and Rackspace Email for MS Exchange. All fab MOST of the time.
- David Catalano
Robert: Techcrunch is killing you guys!
- Jim Connolly
"No suitable nodes are available to serve your request." – Slovakia
- Tibor Holoda
The TechCrunch post was designed to punish Robert for daring to go against Mike. And to humiliate his company which "never goes down".
- Mark
Maybe its a CDN problem since its only some of us that get it... I'm in Denmark using opendns.com. That mix sometimes kills stuff for me....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yeah, as much as I want to take off from the Real Time web something drags me back in. Looks like it's a power outage. It's 104 degrees in Texas right now. I've seen reports that when our power switched back from generator to regular power something didn't work right. There's a team figuring it all out now and we'll have a report soon. First priority is getting customers back up and running, though.
- Robert Scoble
Well, the good thing is that Michelle Malkin's site is down *grin*
- Rene Wirtz
Oh, and Arrington and I had a nice talk this morning. I don't see this as an attack on me. Our servers are down and our customers are in pain.
- Robert Scoble
Rackspace: All power is restored to the DFW data center - all devices affected are starting to come on-line. Details to follow
- Qbat
Rackspace: Phone support is not down at Rackspace. Heavy call volume, but no issues with those systems.
- Qbat
I've been following them on FriendFeed - thanks Robert.
- Jesse Stay
Looks like our SocialToo outage was just coincidence then. I thought it was our fault, which it probably was. :-) A reboot fixed the issue for me. Gotta figure out what happened to the database though.
- Jesse Stay
Either that or Chris Brogan's recent blog post killed it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
WOOT! Email is back up and running on Rackspace!
- David Catalano
Strange that this happens today when Rackspace had a planned maintenance window for today to replace some USP batteries
- Jon Dillon
I hope Robert has something deliciously inspiring to say after the very minor downtime.
- Mark
This does perhaps illustrate Google's reason for building their own servers and network gear, each with its own battery backup: great big UPSs tend to be single points of failure for a large portion of a datacenter.
- DGentry
quo|tà|re v.tr. (io quòto) CO 1 assegnare a ciascuno la quota che deve pagare per partecipare a una contribuzione collettiva: q. i soci per cinquemila lire 2 valutare, stabilire il prezzo di qcs.: q. un terreno, un oggetto prezioso | fig., stimare, avere in considerazione: q. molto una persona ;)
- anecòico
risale al 2002 una piccola campagna condotta sul blog contro gli OLGM (Orrori Lessicali Genericamente Modificati) e riassunta qui: http://www.geocities.com/giulio_...
- Zu
inglesismo, però ha un tenore diverso rispetto a "cito", quoto è "riprendo interamente", cito suona più "mi richiamo a". secondo me QUOTO ci può stare
- vtanner
Quoto è diverso da cito... se dico "Quoto" significa che condivido interamente un pensiero o parte di esso. Se dico "cito" invece devo citare qualcosa (e non ho mai sentito dire/rispondere solo "cito") :)
- Giovy
Avresti avuto ragione anni fa... Oramai "quoto" è così comune al posto di "cito" che nessuno ci fa più caso. Cmq "deliverano" mi fa sbellicare, lì a Roma i consulenti sono quasi tutti così, è per darsi un contegno :)
- simone brunozzi
Lessicalmente l'inglese quote deriva dal latino, tramite il francese. Ci siamo semplicemente ripresi un lemma mancante. E poi quoto e cito non sono affatto sinonimi; e non urlare per favore :)
- Gilgamesh
e poi se critichiamo quoto dovremmo criticare anche laikare... che forse è molto peggio. :)
- bacomarta
La lista sarebbe infinita: performante, responsivo, bruteforcare, ecc. Ma è anche vero che -sino a prova contraria- l'italiano è una lingua viva, ergo: vediamo come si evolve, magari includendo espressioni come postare e quoto.
- Nicola D'Agostino (nda)
per restare in tema, quoto il commento di Giovy :)
- prezzemolo
Per me la differenza è che "quoto" lo utilizzi in discussioni, quando condividi una o più argomentazioni, ma il tutto rigorosamente nello stesso discorso, per esempio commenti in blog, friendfeed, i forum! etc. Citare invece lo si fa in un altro contesto, diverso dall'originale (in cui avresti quotato) per es. un post in un blog etc
- Marco Bonomo <radel>
l'esempio più semplice è: se sono d'accordo con quello che ha scritto Giovy 5 commenti fa dico "quoto Giovy". Ma se Giovy ne avesse fatto un post 3 mesi fa e lo condividessi direi "cito Giovy".
- Marco Bonomo <radel>
... ed a questo punto rilancio, chiedendo: ma Nicola Mattina, che è così figo e social, e non conosce la differenza fra quoto e cito, ne vogliamo parlare? :D (scherzo Nicò, si fa per ridere) :)
- Giovy
Bravo Giovy! E poi, cavolo, se ne esce fuori co' ste questioni in un giorno di festa (solo a Roma). A lavorareeeee!!! :)
- simone brunozzi
se continuo così altro che a lavorareeeeeeeee :) A Turin non è festa, ma con voi e FF è come se lo fosse :D p.s. quoto anche @Giovy ;-P
- Sandra (Untoccodizenzero)
Qui, tra quelli che dovrebbero essere esperti, si ritiene che lo strumento principe dello scambio di informazioni per posta elettronica, ovvero il quoting, sia paragonabile alla citazione oppure identifichi una condivisione. Quotare è semplicemente riportare estratti di una mail o di mail precedenti per rendere chiari i punti del messaggio al quale si sta replicando (senza riportare in...
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- Marco
in generale: ok, quote in italiano si può usare come sinonimo di citare e concordare... la sostanza non cambia: abbiamo due parole italiane per esprimere il concetto :-) @giovy: su mi sopravvaluti ;-) @marco descrivi un uso specifico che di fatto corrisponde a una citazione :-D
- Nicola Mattina
ma poi che c'entrano i social. il quote si usa nelle mailing list e nei forum per "quotare" cioè essere daccordo con un post. con il cito si cita ebbasta, che non significa essere daccordo. una questione di net-etiquette
- Partito Pirata
ormai quoto è un must to use nel web... noi italiani che ce ne freghiamo della nostra bella lingua dovremmo imparare un po' dai francesi...parblè :P
- Miketrevis
"quoto" equivale al napoletano da strada "appoggio", da cui "te lo appoggio": la penso come te
- ottanta/cento
@ott cien a roma "te lo appoggio" significa tutt'altro :-)
- Nicola Mattina
A me sembra che sia proprio sbagliato. O meglio: se lo si usa al posto di "cito" è semplicemente un inglesismo; magari brutto, ma non scorretto. Però a me pare che sia quasi sempre utilizzato per dire "sono d'accordo", mentre l'inglese "to quote" non ha questo significato.
- Andrea Tassi
Ha perfettamente ragione Andrea :) Se viene usato per dire "sono d'accordo" è semplicemente sbagliato, non è semplicemente un inglesismo. Purtroppo è ormai diffusissimo.
- Daniele V.
as time is becoming ever the more precious I am considering abandoning my wordpress blog for something hosted... i tried blogger and it was nice but i want something new. posterous perhaps.
Is your current Wordpress hosted? If not, you could move it to hosted wordpress...
- Kevin Fox
I use Blogspot and am not sure about moving. It's been good to me, but I want more templates that I can just slap up there and go with. I know, I should make my own but time's an issue. So's expertise but don't say that where I can hear it, k? :-P Chris Miles is a great go-to source: http://friendfeed.com/chrismy... Louis, I'm subscribing to Rick's feed now. Thanks for the heads up.
- Molly
Kevin: Just looking for something different... I could go for a hosted wordpress but naaah :)
- Jay Martinez
@Molly - Lots of news coming in the not-too-distant future about templates. In the interim, I did a write-up of a bunch of 3rd party options here: http://buzz.blogger.com/2009...
- Rick Klau
@Jay Happy to help you out. With a WP export file, you can use this site if the file is <1 meg (http://wordpress2blogger.appspot.com/); if it's larger than 1 meg just shoot me a note (rklau -at- google.com) and I can have one of our engineers manually convert it. With the converted file, you can now import the posts and comments directly into Blogger (Settings | Import Blog) and you should be all set.
- Rick Klau
Thanks, Rick. I'm loving FF more and more every day! :-)
- Molly
from email
I love that Rick is already over here offering help. Go Rick!
- Matt Cutts
Pros and Cons for all platforms. I think it comes down to a comfort level and feel. I've always floated back to WP, but I utilize Posterous as well.
- Sean
It is a pity the video conversation service is being subordinated although I have used text based conversation tools far more than video, despite how well Seesmic video works.
- Paul Jacobson
Interesting how FriendFeed search is becoming how I can permalink to a bunch of different conversations.
- Robert Scoble
It is and it isn't - that search could be useless if someone comes back six months later and sees an entirely unrelated batch of new intitle:seesmic threads pop up. A date range would really help for this purpose. I link to FF searches pretty regularly myself so I think about this perhaps more than I ought to.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: yeah, I wish I could find a way to pin together a bunch of items in a better way than search.
- Robert Scoble
How does that kind of change in direction go down with investors? Seesmic raised what 12m for a video based venture which is now essentially a twitter client. Other twitter clients have raised what 300,000? Is it just water under the bridge and they start over?
- Jon Dillon
I am glad to see that while they are de-emphasizing the video part of Seesmic they have not gotten rid of it altogether. I for one always had a hard time with the "talking to my computer" part of Seesmic.
- Sean Brady
Ah! I have been asking Loic for ages why he hasn't been talking about Seesmic but he just ignored me or didn't notice little old me. I did notice that it all became about Twitter clients and not video conversations.
- Mark
I am concerned: can a free twitter client sustain a company and pay back investors?
- Mark
@MarshallK used this wacky service (armadillo?) to build a "slideshow" of links to all of the different RWW affiliated Twitter accounts under a single URL. The implications for google juice and the time it would take you to put it together are probably prohibitive but at least the option exists.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I've been watching seesmic video for a long time (watching as in looking to see direction) - when i questioned why loic was using other services and that hurt his seesmic, i was called stupid - maybe now i have a point :) as i noted in my post today - http://www.centernetworks.com/seesmic... - i think loic should just shut it off completely if he is not sure he plans to spend time bringing it back to the forefront.
- Allen Stern
@Mark thanks that's really what I was asking in a long worded way
- Jon Dillon
Allen: I see a lot of ways he could bring back Seesmic Video. But Loic doesn't listen to me, thinking I'm too geeky and too weird.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington has a six figure investment in Seesmic doesn't he? I'd hate to see him have to announce Seesmic is in the deadpool in one of those posts he puts up about companies that fail.
- Mark
It's always the early adopters and geeks who make something work and who bring it to bigger audiences. Always. Yet entrepreneurs get together and say "don't listen to Scoble." Even FriendFeed is doing that now.
- Robert Scoble
continuing - at an event this week, fred wilson talked about why an audio twitter (i posted a video about this) might not work - he talked about how important text is - i think its the same for the video - i wrote about this when seesmic first launched - there was no threading on seesmic, do i really want to see you for your comment? did it take too long to make a video versus typing in a quick comment, etc?
- Allen Stern
Seesmic has 12 million in funding? If thats true they surely need something more than a free twitter client?
- Mark
The reason we didn't like Seesmic is it got too noisy. This is why Kyte went almost wholly with celebrities (and why Twitter did too). They realized that's the way to bigger audiences. But Seesmic didn't provide celebrities a way to lock down their brands and interact with just who they wanted to interact with. If they had done that it would have taken off big time.
- Robert Scoble
My hair was always too messy in the home office to use video.
- James Watters
That video from Loic is brutally honest isn't it? I almost feel sorry for him on a personal level that it hasn't worked out - he is such a sweet guy.
- Mark
but more than anything and i hate to harp on this point, loic missed some huge opportunities by not posting his leweb on seesmic and to post all his videos on youtube.
- Allen Stern
interesting points about the investment vc - didn't even think about that!
- Allen Stern
I would use it on Building43, for instance, to talk with people like Matt Cutts and Chris Messina. But the thing is that Loic didn't see that, and instead thought there was value in building an open to everyone video chat room. YouTube just provided enough of what we need with iPhone 3GS video uploads.
- Robert Scoble
Well Youtube is nice and widescreen and can do HD, the little crappy player on seesmic would look awful for Leweb coverage
- Mark
Confirmed: they have 12 million of other peoples money involved :/
- Mark
Robert, honestly, we realized this with Hictu.com months ago. The difference is: investments close to 0, one developer, side project for us. Seesmic: 12M in investments, core service... I hope they will be able to monetize that Twitter client... otherwise they will end up burning the cash they have, end of the story.
- Luca Filigheddu
good thing they didn't shut down the whole video service. while some people don't like to see themselves, the technology has potential. if it dies out, then some might defacto to the saying 'it was ahead of its time.' how many times have tech companies went out of business or stopped a service that would have been relevant later on? it's a good idea to keep it alive in some way while focusing on core competencies that would help generate revenue for them.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
How do you monetise a twitter client? Without pissing peopel off so they go to free one / ad free etc
- Mark
Mark: lots of people have paid for Twitter clients on iPhones. On free ones they will be ad supported. Plus you can charge for extra "pro" features. Eventually there will be virtual goods that you can sell (ability to sell things to other people, too).
- Robert Scoble
@Mark, you recognize that two way communication platforms are a utility, like the phone, and you charge upsell services that users want/use. these platforms are not true ad play platforms -- they are utility platforms. They can be, but traditionally, ads have never done well with utility platforms.
- Patricia
I remember watching Scoble and Loic and others on a bus a few years ago going to a convention in Las Vegas I think and Loic was talking about Seesmic. It all seemed so exciting 2 years ago.
- Mark
As mentioned on the other thread about this, video commenting was shown at the VON show in like 2005 or something. Unfortunately, the user base drives what works and what doesn't and they've not evolved enough for applications like this on a mass, money making level.
- Patricia
Problem is you don't invest 12M in a twitter client start up--that's poisinous
- James Watters
right now tweetdeck has to be the top (or one of the top) most useful twitter app around. it seems as if loic wants to get this momentum going. its popularity and userbase has potential. if loic wants to build a lemonade stand, then he can start selling lemonade too. :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Twitter clients could be the next browsers, so I can see the sense in that, but I was looking fwd to seeing Seesmic on the iPhone as a video equivalent to audioBoo, hope that still happens.
- Chris Nuttall
Seesmic was over-funded. There are other companies with awesome ideas that struggle to get 500K... Ans 12M are too much even for a Twitter client only.
- Luca Filigheddu
I know I can't get over this number 12 million. He has a competitor with a service called PHREADZ or something which is virtually self funded and as least as slick. I cannot fathom what 12 million buys.
- Mark
12M buys a competitive startup to youtube with heavy infrastrucure expenses; 3 weeks of expert coding buys you a twitter client
- James Watters
I imagine the hardware on the back end needed to handle the video and originally estimated traffic must have munched a fair chunk of change already
- Jon Dillon
So any social media experts in here want to suggest what they did wrong? Why did video conversations fail?
- Mark
They failed because unlike FB and Twitter you can't do them impulsively; the RWW is all about what you can extract from a users life in under 20 seconds without them thinking about it
- James Watters
@mark years ago everyone was pushing mobile video calling in Italy. Lots of investments, TV ads and so on. It failed. Why? It takes too much time, you have less privacy, not that easy for many people, don't really need it.
- Luca Filigheddu
We had a similar thing here in England, 3g video calling, but to be honest most of us only use it for rude video calls with significant others.
- Mark
@mark, i'm not a social media expert, but i think what they (and tons) of people in web 2.0 have done wrong is fail to really look at what the user needs and does. sometimes ideas are just too early for the users (or enough users) to adopt, some are simply just not something users find valuable. at the end of the day, always what works online is what the users find valuable and what the users can adopt.
- Patricia
Patricia: yup, that's why funding startups is risky. Out of 10s of thousands of ideas for companies only a handful become significant. You try things, and you try to change human behavior. Some, like Twitter, get lucky and find the way. Many others die at the vine for a whole lot of reasons.
- Robert Scoble
here is my post from over a year ago - http://www.centernetworks.com/seesmic... - where i talk about why seesmic won't work (the video service) - not 100% sure it's all still appicable today - btw for those wondering if seesmic the twitter client will succeed - remember that loic has very tight contacts at FB, etc. he even got a 4-letter vanity url - will those...
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- Allen Stern
I don't think the people who spent 12 million on the video tech will be pleased that their money is gone but the education remains ;)
- Mark
Mark: Seesmic only spent a fraction of their money.
- Robert Scoble
i think seesmic also changed their staffing model - moving from a completely sf based team to mostly offshore teams - loic mentioned something about going to meet the teams in eastern europe a few weeks ago
- Allen Stern
Bah! I am all about American Jobs ;) Hang on.. I am British.
- Mark
Seesmic as a technology play was pretty good. I think the problem is that video commenting is simply viewed as a huge time suck to most people in an era when anything over 140 characters is considered too lengthy to consume.
- Aviv
Video fail - users can't quickly consume video content; impossible to skim or index effectively.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Well, the lamenting over this didn't last long.
- Matthew DeVries
"When you hear the name Seesmic today, chances are that you are thinking about a Twitter client, but once upon a time, Seesmic was a much-hyped online "video conversation" service. Now, however, after a recent redesign, the Seesmic homepage basically doesn't mention the video service anymore and the video service has moved to its own subdomain. In a new video, Seesmic founder, Loic Le Meur, reveals that Seesmic's video conversation site hasn't seen any growth in the last couple of months and that Seesmic plans to focus on its Twitter client in order to give Seesmic, the company, a chance to survive."
- Jim Connolly
from Bookmarklet
It's amazing to see Seesmic change directions like this, but I never liked conversational video. And I'm a video advocate. It was too hard to consume and it was too easy for noisy people to take over your video streams. I'd like to see the concept come back in a much different form, though. I'd love to have a Building43 channel where I invited experts in to have a conversation on video but lock everyone else out.
- Robert Scoble
People might feel more comfortable pointing the camera at places or other people, TwitPic style.
- Colin
Colin: YouTube on the new iPhone absolutely rocks. That is what killed Seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
I used Seesmic quite a bit last year, but I haven't touched it in over a year. It got boring, and there were quite a few "noisy" users. :-)
- Joey Gibson
Joey: that's the thing with all online forums. They always start out interesting and get more and more noisy over time, which makes them less and less interesting. FriendFeed, actually, has some interesting defenses against that trend which Seesmic never put into place. (Private rooms, list management, blocking, etc).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, agreed. The other thing is that video takes more effort than typing. You have to worry about your appearance, what your room looks like, etc. And you can't easily shoot a video while at "the office." All of those concerns are not concerns when you're only working with text.
- Joey Gibson
I thought Seesmic focusing on being a Twitter app is what killed Seesmic
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Outsanity: if Seesmic (the video service) was rocking and rolling Loic would have focused on that. He's known for some time that Seesmic (the video service) wasn't going anywhere.
- Robert Scoble
@Outsanity, I also thought it was strange that Seesmic was focusing so much on Twhirl/Seesmic Desktop development, when their supposed core business was video conversations. Unless Loic realized a long time ago that wasn't really their core business.
- Joey Gibson
Joey: he did. It was clear from the start that video conversations were not growing fast enough to become a venture backed business (and there wasn't a clear path to monetization, either).
- Robert Scoble
I used Seesmic video for awhile, but stopped, not sure why I think part of it was a lot of the people I liked also stopped using it. Plus video conversation takes more effort.
- Kim Landwehr
bummer, because i really like loic. but, this kind of user engagement was at the VON show like five years ago and it didn't work then. we're a long way away from this type of engagement now, and it may never become a reality. Just depends.
- Patricia
Some interesting comments here. Loic's a smart guy and will put his energy / money where the traction is - which right now, is anything related to Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
@jim, i'd disagree with the "anything related to twitter" point.
- Patricia
Jim: a friend of mine is analyzing Twitter's database and he says there are fewer than 10 million real users on Twitter right now and that only about 30% of them engage. It's amazing that despite the hype they aren't getting more people onto the service and engaged. But Twitter won't be stopped at this point, it's too engrained into mass media's conversations.
- Robert Scoble
@jim, I know -- but myspace was the buzz two years ago, then facebook. the interaction at its core is the same. twitter has potential because it's the first true platform-agnostic social network, but there are a lot of factors that could tangle it up in the future, including other, better social platforms. It would be better for companies to think broader -- fine to focus and fixate on...
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- Patricia
Robert: I would REALLY appreciate a look at that data when it's done. I am 100% certain that Twitter user numbers, especially 'active' user numbers are massively inflated.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: my friend is working on a blog post. I'm sure it will get to TechMeme when it's posted. Yes, the numbers are way overinflated. The real user numbers (not bot accounts) are under 10 million at this point.
- Robert Scoble
The main issue with seesmic as noticed Robert is that it takes too much time to consume. And you cannot answer anywhere, you would tweet easily from a train, an openspace. Not record a video (unless you are comfortable with everyone looking at you with dark eyes). I really enjoyed my (short) Seesmic experience but had to give up for this reason.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Robert: If you can, I would appreciate a link (when it's done) to your friends blog post.
- Jim Connolly
We realized this with Hictu.com months ago. The difference? Our investments were close to 0, one developer, side project for us. Seesmic: 12M in investments, core service... I hope they will be able to monetize that Twitter client... otherwise they will end up burning the cash they have, end of the story.
- Luca Filigheddu
The problem with Seesmic Desktop is that they start from really far. They had a pretty comprehensive application (Twhirl), with a lot of features. A GUI revamp should have been enough to quietly prepare a major refactoring. The chosen direction makes Seesmic Desktop appear to be less effective, with less features (where are FriendFeed, and Seesmic, gone?). And moreover it's an AIR app. And AIR apps suck... I wish Loic the best to monetize its new company focus
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Sono anni che dico che Google sarà in un futuro un operatore turistico, ha i pagamenti, ha la pubblicità, ha solo bisogno di un motore di prenotazioni
- Maurizio Goetz
una delle migliori idee che abbiano avuto negli ultimi anni, davvero
- Luca Filigheddu
Partendo da casa mia mi suggerisce di camminare per 4 ore fino a Bologna (a parte che in 4 ore di camminata non ci arrivi). Almeno suggeriscano i mezzi pubblici.
- S.
infatti è uno dei problemi della versione attuale
- Tiziano Fogliata
Il prossimo step sarà di mettere tutto insieme, street view, google earth e i tour, geniale.
- Maurizio Goetz
@Maurizio: già già, stavo per farne un post ieri ma prima volevo provarlo così è rimasto in bozza
- roberta milano
All'unversità facciamo ipotesi di "fantagoogling", immaginando il gigante come un potenziale operatore turistico
- Maurizio Goetz