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Cultural differences between the US and the UK
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The Top Paid App in the Singapore store is Airport Mania: First Flight.
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Is there a site that lists "top apps" from various/all countries ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Classic...
- Rob Kramer
so telling...
- Brian Appleby
That says it all
- Darrell Bell
So when are they going to release an app for "Ow! My balls!"
- April Buchheit
@April... +100
- Harold
from fftogo
+++April
- Kamilah Gill
Is the UK bestseller just a re-packaging of CIA world factbook? Or is there more to it?
- Hiro Asari
You see, we gotta test for moron's the UK teaches them
- Ryan Gerritsen
It's actually the same app, just different marketing. Yes?
- Mike Beck
What does "we gotta test for moron's the UK teaches them" mean?
- Gabe
Our beer-drinking football-hooligan contingent are still saving up for their iPhones.
- Tim Tyler
World Cup Ping Pong here in France, don't know what that means ?!
- Benoit Cazenave
"Zoom in / Camera zoom" : the Top Paid App in Switzerland
- tomavana
I'd suggest that in *paying* for an app called "The Moron Test" you've already passed it.
- thepete
thepete: passed or failed?
- Gabe
that was really great kevin :)
- Alp
Is there anything else interesting about the rest of the list?
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
Hilarious!
- Vera Hannaford
crushingly depressing. ugh.
- daisy
The top app at Android Marketplace in Europe is "The Weather Channel".
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
as a dual national US/UK, I can safely say I'm glad to live here.
- Spotcher
from twhirl
World cup ping pong is the top paid app in Italy too. And even top free app. What's the point with that?
- ialla
Hehe
- WorldofHiglet
Excellent catch! :)
- Ozkan Altuner
The engineer in me is irritated by the simple apps make it to the top of the AppStore; the artist in me is delighted :)
- Ian
sad, but funny
- Rick Cogley
Proud to be an American! LOL
- Susan Beebe
That says a lot.
- Chuck Adams
Yes, it does say a lot. =)
- Zed Darkman
Don't need no stinkin' facts...
- Kevin Pedraja
But it's got a red button!
- Brian Bufalo
One thing I have noticed is that in any ovie, v show, etc where anything odd happens, the English are always portrayed as standing in place saying something like "This can't be happening" or some stupid thing like that, when it clearly IS happening. Is this some sort of national trait? I like to think that if, say, the dead rise and turn on the living, I would fight back + run to safety FIRST and worry about the ontological implications after.
- Neal Jansons
Here Neal, you dropped an "m" and a "t" :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
well, it's almost a month later but anyway in Canada the top three are currently Sims 3, StoneLoops and StickWars
- Richard Akerman
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- 拓 | wavesand
from email
Laugh, sure. But your pounds sterling end up in a California bank account. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
My cousin dl'ed the Moron Test and tried to get me to take it. I told him he'd already failed because he was a moron for buying it in the first place. He was unamused. I wasn't.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Lol Amanda
- AJ Batac
To be fair, he's kind of a tool, so it's less a reflection of the app and more a reflection of how much I want to throw him off the nearest high-rise.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I notice that the U.S. is no longer a nation of morons -- for the last few days, "The Sims 3" is #1, so we're now a nation of replicants.
- Stephen Mack
got this after my first intelligent use of ff filtered search. populist USA likes to feign ignorance and UK likes to superficial awareness
- Lane Rapp
50 Incredible Photography Techniques and Tutorials - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
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"In this post we present useful photographic techniques, tutorials and resources for various kinds of photography. You’ll learn how to set up the perfect environment and what techniques, principles and rules of thumbs you should consider when shooting your next perfect photo. This round-up isn’t supposed to be the ultimate one – please feel free to suggest more useful articles in the comments to this post."
- Kol Tregaskes
Gizmodo - The Photographer King Needs No Tripod - Sigma - http://i.gizmodo.com/5217989...
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"Photographer Juza rocks the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III with a monstrous Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8 EX DG lens. For reference, the Sigma weighs about 35 pounds. Hell yes."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
If you want to impress the chicks, just bring this thing along without a tripod to your next photowalk. Tell them that it's what you shoot with daily so as never to miss your shot.
- Thomas Hawk
Thats a serious lens..move out of the way! ;)
- iconic88
Holy crap! Work out while you shoot-brilliant!
- Susan Dennis
that's no lens... that's a spacestation
- Bastard Operator From FF
Check out those biceps - I think he's just showing off
- Jesse Stay
that's what she said
- Glen Campbell
Hey, that looks like McGiver. Bet he made that from a beer can and a shoelace.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Tiny penis for sure.
- Steve is older than ever
One slip and $22K down the drain.
- Robert Kenney
Yeah -- you have the button but I bet your lens is not that big. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
I think you should prove Brian wrong Scott...
- Justin Korn
Scott has a 300-800 f5.6 if I recall -- he can probably even lift it -- this one however is much thicker and heavier. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Scott - Awesome! But I'm gong to need pictures to prove it :) PS. It's great to see you interacting on FriendFeed.
- Justin Korn
We will expect to see pictures of Scott using it hand held as welll -- can't let this Juza guy get the better of him.
- Brian Sullivan
Does that thing fire t-shirts into the crowd at a ball game?
- Cyrus Lendvay
See these biceps!??!!? RAWR.. you WISH
- Bwana ☠
I think he's overcompensating :)
- Eric Florenzano
this guy carries his equipment (including a Canon 600mm) and a backpack hiking on the Alps, so I'm not surprised at all ;-) (http://www.juzaphoto.com/eng...)
- flod
Just when I thought I could become a good photographer I realize I'll need an arm like that!
- Alexis Bellido
good photographer, handles equipment with care...
- eva
Looks like Popeye... boys, yes, it IS all about your equipment.
- Paula W
I have a 70-210 F2.8 that makes me tired trying to handhold so I understand your need to search for support (I am old btw -- and my progeny are quickly heading that way ;-) )
- Brian Sullivan
didn't see you posted this, my bad Thomas
- Zee.
haha, no problem. I do that allll the time.
- Thomas Hawk
Looks to me like the "Photographer King" is in DESPERATE need of a tripod.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
at that level of magnification, how can he possibly hold it still long enough to focus and shoot?
- Victor Ryden
Wow, that is some lense.
- Paul Wade
someone phone NASA.. hubbles been stolen
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
That's like a rocket launcher :D
- Joe Dawson
Hahaha... this is funny to see!
- Pablo Yamamoto
Holy Crap. What the hell does he use it for? Does it get its own sidecar?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Gregory Crewdson - http://www.luhringaugustine.com/index...
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Loop of Disney video that rips off other Disney video - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
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Reusable code à la Disney :)
- Peter Boros
Sergey Brin on "To Tell the Truth" - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
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Awesome!
- Øystein Fledsberg
Wow, at this point, they only had about 170 employees.
- Charles Bihis
That was $5000US for link baiting. :-) Sergey seemed to have acted at the point of answering what URL means...
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
How FriendFeed uses MySQL to store schema-less data - http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
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This is a technical overview of the new backend system we launched a couple of days ago.
- Bret Taylor
First question, why MySQL instead of a straight key/value/attribute store, like a bdb? (Amazon's SimpleDB works along similar principles, btw.)
- DeWitt Clinton
Cool stuff Bret. Love to see this kind of stuff. Would love that chat about the Ajax side of things ;)
- Dion Almaer
DeWitt: Historical reasons; we have some operational experience maintaining MySQL servers, and MySQL is very popular so there's a lot of support available.
- Tudor Bosman
Oh right, none of you are ex-Amazon. (Any Amazonian reading this will understand...)
- DeWitt Clinton
How small do you keep the shards? Can you keep the entire index tables in RAM? Are you backed with SSD?
- DeWitt Clinton
Not all of it is RAM. We use normal hard drives for this system, and we have enough RAM such that the working set fits in memory. Most of the oldest stuff on FriendFeed is not accessed frequently, and that data is not typically resident in memory.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks Bret, nice post.
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
So for something like 'user_id_index.get_all' you'd trust that InnoDB has that user in RAM, and that you have only a small set of active users at any given time (for web requests). Same for the relevant entities you'd "join" against. Makes sense. (Sorry, having a hard time typing coherently tonight.)
- DeWitt Clinton
Yah, those indexes are typically in RAM. Our indexes contain a timestamp as well (since they are ordered reverse chronologically), so the oldest entries referenced by that index would likely not be in RAM depending on how many pages back they are on most feeds.
- Bret Taylor
BTW, did you guys look at any other serialization mechanism other than pickle? Any pros/cons for cpickle?
- Arvind Sundararajan
cPickle is the same format as pickle, just implemented in C instead of Python. We use cPickle. marshal is faster, but according to docs may change from version to version of Python, so we didn't want to use it in our DB.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret "250 million entries", is it possible to give the size of the DB? and what is your opinion about when will you need to change this system again or is it strong enough for years Meybe you will only need hardware instead of structure changes?
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
Ömer: I don't have an exact number off the top of my head, but a lot of data is the indexes themselves, so adding indexes is almost as significant as adding entries.
- Bret Taylor
This sounds exceptionally similar to how the AppEngine datastore does things, except that it's MySQL and not BigTable.
- Alex Power
Aren't commercial RDBMSes (like Oracle, MSSQL) designed to support the sorts of things you're looking for, like online reindexing and joining across shards? Why not use them? Lack of experience? NIH? Too expensive?
- Gabe
"We like MySQL for storage, just not RDBMS usage patterns" Excellent post Bret, thanks for sharing!
- Mahesh CR
Gabe: "designed to support" and actually working are two different things. I think that is why companies like ours generally don't use commercial software and choose to use open source software. If it doesn't work, we can fix it. In my experience, most of those features don't work at the scale consumer web sites need, and it certainly wasn't worth the cost and time to find out from our perspective.
- Bret Taylor
Non-RDBMS-patterns may work when there is no great needs for processing the actual data (like reports etc). In LOB-apps this would be a big no-no, but in large-scale services like FF alternative methods are almost necessary...
- Jemm
Thanks for the writeup! Is there a reason you don't declare the added_id as an UNSIGNED INT?
- Roger
Roger: no, no reason.
- Bret Taylor
@Bret, this is a pretty cool write u!. Might I suggest as a subject for future write ups, how the realtime update system works (e.g. how it knows what updates it needs to push), and perhaps how the feed fetching system works and how these might inter-relate?
- Ray Cromwell
Ray: good ideas. We will do more of these. We want to in theory - they just take a bit of time to write up, and we like writing code more than blog posts :)
- Bret Taylor
Bret, do you really think that guys like Oracle and MS create features for enterprise-level databases that don't work or scale to meet the needs of those who buy them? Of course you may be right, but the TPC tests generally get results in the hundreds and thousands of transactions per second. In reality, though, what can you really fix if something doesn't work? Are you going to debug MySQL if it starts corrupting data or optimize it if it's too slow?
- Gabe
Gabe: yes, we have already debugged MySQL when it has crashed. It would have been impossible without the debug symbols and source code.
- Bret Taylor
Gabe: I've been doing a fair amount of tracing through MySQL core dumps over the past week, and just having the ability to look at the code, plus the size of the community working with the same code base and debugging problems, seems to make it worth the cost at this point. We haven't changed any of the MySQL code yet, but Google and others certainly have.
- Jim Norris
This is the best thing I read today.
- pastas9
I'm skeptical of Oracle and other commercial pre-packaged systems because the companies are focused on extracting revenue via software sales and their products are highly optimized for a certain problem domain that doesn't really fit our experience very well.
- Jim Norris
So I guess the downside is that if you change your indexes you need to change the code, too. How do you manage the table creation, code migration and data sharding all at once?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: It is actually not bad: make the tables, update the code, start writing to the indexes for new entities, then run the "Cleaner" to fill in the indexes for the older entities. When the cleaner is done, you can start using the indexes for features.
- Bret Taylor
The most important decision about your design- and why not going with databases RDBMS etc. to manage the indices - is that your users don't really look up the old stuff, so keeping the old entries in RAM/live indices isn't worth the time hit it would take to do huge indexes on long tables. This seems like a "running index"- that is, it's populated by the application in many places at one time, instead of in one place, that the DB then optimizes over the entire history.
- anna sauce
Reminds me of some multi-user java apps back 10 years or so ago that had to manage simultaneous users on live systems. great post, Bret, and fun to see what's working behind the scenes.
- anna sauce
"if you change your indexes you need to change the code" is not a problem unique to this system. You always have to update your code along with your schema. You have to write code to read from the tables even if you use a typical RDBMS, and you can't do that without an index, so this staged process exists in some form no matter what your storage scheme looks like.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, it sounds like MySQL crashes a lot. Are you assuming that commercial products will crash just as often and the vendors won't debug it?
- Gabe
Gabe: Every piece of software crashes, whether it is written by Oracle or by open source developers. The difference with open source is that we are not dependent on someone else to diagnose and fix the problems. This is not a unique sentiment. Google, Yahoo, Facebook, FriendFeed, Twitter, et al, have all chosen open source infrastructure for this and a variety of other compelling reasons we have already discussed.
- Bret Taylor
Brett, I agree that not being dependent on somebody else is great. In fact, the product I work on is probably 99% open source or developed in-house. I even replaced a relational DB with a pickled Python object store a year or two ago. However, I'm also not considering writing my own transaction protocol, indexing, and query engine because the open source DB I use doesn't support...
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- Gabe
Re: "change your indexes you need to change the code" - yes, conventionally you need to change your code if you change your tables. But you do get some opportunities for runtime optimisations by changing your indexes (although in practice this can have availability costs as you note)
- Nick Lothian
OK I'm going to put this out there: sounds like you're re-inventing the wheel.
- anna sauce
Being able to open something up to understand, diagnose, and fix things yourself is underrated.
- Amit Patel
DeWitt, part of the reason we didn't use a simpler store is that we're using mysql replication. We'd have to replace that too. Probably not hard, but it's working well for us. Also sometimes you do want transactions for performance within a single DB (each xsaction is a single log write, vs multiple little writes).
- Private Sanjeev
re: SSDs and mysql. I can't speak for all SSDs, but the Intel X25-M gets internally fragmented very quickly, reducing write performance by 10-20x. Things that do large sequential writes like bigtable or lucene are a better fit.
- Private Sanjeev
Part of the purpose behind traditional schema driven designs is to 'protect' the data from the programmers and the applications - which is not insane given the level of commitment people have in some kinds of organization. One of the statements that the FF people are making here is that they have trust in themselves and each other and they care about what they are doing.
- Robin Barooah
You guys rock so hard it HURTS! THANK YOU, FRIENDFEED!
- Josh Haley
Just logged in... this sounds really cool.... hmmm :)
- Susan Beebe
great post -- liked the discussion in the comments too! some people thinking relational databases can do everything; other people not understanding rationale behind key/value store; other people mad you've reinvented it using MySQL... :-D favorite comment from guy who is having a heart attack because anyone might think it's a good idea: "it is like using a database to solve the problem...
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- Karim
what is the correct name for this? "schema-less data?" "entity attribute/value (EAV) store?" "key/value store?" personally, i like "property bag" :-D also, have you considered Amazon SimpleDB, or Microsoft SQL Data Services for hosted services, since they are based on similar ideas, just not on MySQL?
- Karim
Sanjeev, I heard rumors about the X25-M performance running down after fragmentation, but last I heard was Intel was unable to replicate & "looking into it." 10-20x should not be hard to spot. :-) Are you in touch with Intel...? Also, have you seen similar problems on SSDs with Samsung controllers? (I went with the Corsair...)
- Karim
Karim, it may not get as bad with other SSDs, but they start off with much higher write latency for small random writes than the X25-M.
- Private Sanjeev
The Samsung, you mean? All I was trying to do was *not* get the JMicron controller and *afford* it :-D
- Karim
but why are the ssIDs varchars, is the question (from @eonarts comment)
- anna sauce
anna: what are ssIDs? If you mean the UUIDs, they are just 16 byte binary strings.
- Bret Taylor
Just look how many comments on this begin with someone's name. "anna:" "Karim," "Sanjeev,". Somehow there needs to be a reply-to-comment mechanism. Fortunately FriendFeed uses json blobs in their database so this won't require a painful schema change ;-)
- Kevin
Bret: you're right, I re-read the post and couldn't find evidence of the Primary Key Erin mentions in her comment, as varchar. Am I missing it?
- anna sauce
schema changes aren't painful, and I have a question for more current DB/programmatic people (than me): why is this called schema-less? There is a schema, it's just that the database application isn't being used to index, Bret's crew are doing it manually. Blobs in columns doesn't mean it's schema-free, that's been going on for 15 years. I think it's just that he's cracking the indexing methodology and offroading. I'd like to hear from some PostGres people on this- Disqus is on PostGres aren't they?
- anna sauce
Anna: that person is talking about the URL index. What we are doing is correct for this application; we want the index to be in that order on disk, not in a different order.
- Bret Taylor
Bret: ah, ok
- anna sauce
I just remembered that one of my client's DBs is actually Btrieve, which is nothing more than a way of storing binary blobs with certain byte ranges indexed. (They are still using a DOS app from the '80s, with the Btrieve running on a Novell server.) The only real difference is that they have fixed-length keys and records, while the MySQL data is variable-length.
- Gabe
Bret: Thanks a lot for the informative post! Any thoughts on MySQL vs Postgres? We found tables crashed with too many simultaneous writers in MySQL, but your post says it "doesn't corrupt data", so I guess you haven't had such issues.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Bret: Do you apply the same approach to perform searches on your stored text data? (i.e. inside the data storing the BLOB)
- Roger
Bret, do you care to explain briefly how you approach the following/follower aspect without JOINs? I loved the article, keep reading it every once in a while...
- Jorge Escobar
Cowbirds in Love - 43. All your base - http://cowbird.110mb.com/43...
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I use base 3*3+1.
- Gabe
...they are all belongs to me.
- AJ Batac
Hehe, I didn't understand it at first. Funny. But only for real nerds. :P
- Meryn Stol
But isn't it that an expression like "base x" requires x to be expressed in "base ten"? "Decimal" ten? How would one express that requirement?
- Meryn Stol
@meryn: it should be sufficient, just as this alien did, to draw your own 10 dots, and the rest is up to the listener to convert, including the base X expressions
- Бутерброд с ветчумой
I use base A.
- Ken Sheppardson
Excellent
- Christopher Galtenberg
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Long, interesting phone call resulted in funding contacts and good tips from a friend with experience
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i've shown mine; maybe you will show me yours tomorrow?
- daniel
Full Working MultiTouch on the T-Mobile G1 Android Phone - http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/android...
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"Short story: I have full multitouch scaling and panning working in specially-developed apps on a stock T-Mobile G1 Android phone with a change to just one system classfile (i.e. with no modifications to the kernel whatsoever)."
- scott anderson
from Bookmarklet
now that is good news...i planned on not buying a G1 due to the lack of MT
- Chris Hofmann
I would technically call it multi-point :)
- Tim Hoeck
Dual-point? Does the iphone process more than 2 points? (Seems ironic from the company with the single-button mouse :-))
- John Mueller
after reading the full article im now so convinced anymore. i better wait for better android device...oh wait there is An Hero! Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, banana phone! :D
- Chris Hofmann
Me circa 1995 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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All 212 Beatles songs ever made for download - legally - http://nrkbeta.no/last-ne...
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borud on Curse in Norwegian :) - http://reddit.com/r...
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">The more common it is, the less it actually means >anything. Eventually if everyone began "cursing">so much that it became perfectly normal to do so, >then it would no longer be "cursing". Such is the >eternal shifting linguistic wheel. I think you are largely right, but there are a few other factors to consider when it comes to Norway and Scandinavia in general. For one, people mostly keep their religion to themselves and those who are religious are often moderately religious. Of course, we have those who have a more...uhm enthusiastic approach to their faith, but in most of Norway it is seen as a bit of an embarrassment. And mixing religion with politics is usually a great way to ensure that people stop taking you very seriously and losing any political credibility. It is not so much that we are atheists. It is just that religion is much more personal issue here. You can believe whatever you like as long as you don't bother anyone with it or start abusing religion for political..."
- Bjørn
For a northern norwegian, swearing is just a by-product of how the respiratory system works.
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Beatles hard days night mystery chord Solved with Fourier analysis | Noise Addicts music and audio blog - http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008...
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Chaaaaaang!…… “It’s been a hard day’s night And I’ve been working like a dog” This first chord that starts A Hard Day’s Night is one of the most recognizable and famous opening chords in rock & roll. It’s played by George Harrison on his 12 string Rickenbacker. The other reason that it’s famous is because for 40 years nobody knew for sure what it was. Many guitar players have tried in vain to recreate the sound but have usually failed miserably.
- Leo Laporte
Simply... great!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I got my first ever email to Buzz Out Loud included on the show (ep 847) w00t!
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The Matt Cutts Rickroll - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
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Absatively awesome! There has never been a better Rick Astley!
- j1m
Very pleased to point you to Marshall's big new RWW project, RWW JobWire!! http://readwriteweb.com/jobwire...
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Challenges from large scale computing at Google - http://glinden.blogspot.com/2008...
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Norway to be key Microsoft search center - http://ap.google.com/article...
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I can't really see how they arrived at the final sentence; that MSFT hopes Fast will improve its websearch and ad business, though...
- Vidar Larsen
Expected to run away screaming shortly after switching to XMonad, but now I just want to learn Haskell (even more)
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Xmonad is superb!
- Øystein Fledsberg
Google Chrome and the future of browsers - http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
Susan Beebe, Varun Mahajan, Jay and 90 other people liked this
As usual, Chris gets the big picture.
- Chris Baskind
Chris is a tech superstar that I listen to deeply. He is excited by Google's moves and lays out the poor execution on the Mozilla side of the fence.
- Robert Scoble
What I missed in the Chrome comic was a mention of browser add-ons like Firefox's. Surfing the web without Adblock Plus is hard to imagine.
- Ole Begemann
or without the delicious add-ons... or the evernote add-on... but at least bookmarklets are (likely?) to still work.
- Justin Long
The comic was aimed squarely at devs. There was little mention of what would make end users choose Chrome over IE.
- Paul Grav
Best read so far, been waiting for a commentary like this...
- Kevin Cearns
Gee, Ole... why wouldn't Google want you running AdBlock Plus? Can't imagine. ;) (Now, I agree, add-ons are cool, but as a publisher, I'm not going to weep over that one...) Anyway, I wouldn't count Firefox out. Obviously, what Google addresses is the performance/reliability side and building around apps. Both FF and Chrome are built around standards, both closely married to JavaScript for what they do next. I think this could be a great rivalry, frankly.
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
They talk explicitly about plugins on pages 29-32 of the comic so you should be able to have your AdBlock. I seriously doubt Google cares that much about AdBlockers -- which makes up an extremely small percent of the overall market, and which is probably made up of people who don't click ads anyway.
- Chris Messina
Chris: I suspect by plugins they mean Flash etc. and not Firefox-style extensions. But I hope I'm wrong.
- Ole Begemann
But will it support 1Password on the Mac?
- Khürt Williams
from twhirl
Will they, wont they. Time will tell. Who do you want to hate today?
- Steve Blamey
Interesting article. More choice = better for the users. But I think that you are over-hyping the death of Firefox. As far I can tell. Firefox 3.0 is much better than Firefox 2.0 and Firefox 3.1 will be better than Firefox 3.0. Multi-process, V8 and native Gears support are definitely a step forward but firefox is part of an ecosystem so I would not count them out (A lot of people said...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Hmm, well, I didn't claim to foretell the death of Firefox at all. In fact, Firefox will likely continue to gain marketshare and attention (as the web is still expanding). One of my points is that Mozilla missed the opportunity to be the foundation of Chrome -- and will now have to play catch up -- instead of set the agenda for what's next.
- Chris Messina
Do you think that was a technical decision or a control decision. From the last couple of interviews I have seen of John Lilly, I think that he has a really clear vision around performance, usability and ecosystem. Performance is coming in 3.1. Usability is driven by some of the concept Labs has been pushing out and ecosystem come from the fact that there are 100s of extensions to...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am using chrome right now, and I really miss my shareaholic addon as well as my stumbleupon bar. hopefully the developers get crackin for plugins for this browser.
- James Campbell
I'm hoping to see some good progress from Mozilla. I do worry a bit about them fish-tailing and not being able to say no to developers (whose needs are often very different from regular folks). We shall see. @James Campbell:There will be a need for web hooks, no doubt... and places to insert additions or modifications to your browser experience -- I don't really doubt that (some standardization there would be nice too).
- Chris Messina
The bookmarklets work just fine. I really wouldn't miss any of my add-ons...but the fact that I can't scroll up with my mouse is a deal breaker. talking about plugins/add-ons/extensions when people can't even scroll up is kinda putting the cart before the horse...just sayin
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Has anyone thought about the fact that Google may have only released Chrome to give browser developers an idea of what they SHOULD be doing? Maybe light a fire under their asses?
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I still believe this: Chrome = Premium Google Apps (paid business/advanced service) + Premium Content Delivery (paid YouTube subscriptions) with access via mobile with Android. I think they have created a billing platform :)
- Johnny Worthington
Not really sure about that. Doesn't it just use the same rendering engine as Safari?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Aside from trying to be more faster and stable I dont know what other development I would be doing different becuase chrome is around now.
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
Indeed, but since they are creating their own 'platform', a browser written from the ground up, they could write a plugin module to support their premium content.
- Johnny Worthington
While they did say it would be open source, not everything is going to be released. The only reason I could think for this is either some piece of new IP or a commerce component.
- Johnny Worthington
I guess my main point is that I don't really think they're trying to enter into any browser competition, per say. I think current browser capabilities are preventing them from moving toward some goal they have. I think John is probably close to what it might be. John++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Actually, I hope that's the case. If you read their comic-styled description of Chrome, they seem to underline the idea that the browser's innovations are up for grabs. I'd rather not give up Firefox...hopefully Mozilla will work on integrating some of Chrome's features for Firefox 4.0. Of course, if Google gets a good add-on community going, Mozilla had better watch out.
- Don
@Akiva It appears to me to render more like FF2 than Safari :|
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
That was my first thought. Google wants a browser available that makes their web-apps run smooth, not necessarily have to maintain it. There is a reason they released it Open Source and it wasn't to throw a jab at MSFT - it was to make it available to Firefox without them having to ask.
- Paul Arterburn
Rahsheen, yes, I agree. Chrome is noticeably faster than any other browser I use, particularly on JavaScript and AJAX heavy pages. It became my primary browser after about one day of use. I only use Firefox for Firebug now. Yes, the rendering engine is Webkit, but the multi-process architecture and V8 make a noticeable difference in stability and performance. My one complaint is that it seems to reduce the performance of Flash.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Could it be a step towards a Google OS?
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Also, Google said as much themselves in their comic, near the end, where they are discussing the open source nature of Chrome. They're basically saying "here's the code, please integrate into your browsers, kthxbye"
- Jason Wehmhoener
@John Yup. Also, it cuts out several middlemen (Google pays for toolbar installs in a couple ways, and searches through Firefox/Safari search interface.) It has nothing to do w/ lighting fires under anyone's asses to make a better browser (although it might cause consolidation, which might lead to fewer, better browsers.) I think it's about business efficiency and the ability for Google do more with web apps.
- Wade Dorrell
who thought wiping someone's butt could be this much fun?
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SÅ bra!! :-))))
- Hege J. Fledsberg
a few of my friends just launched a t-shirt search engine, check it: http://pleasedress.me/
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I just searched for "robot human" and the first result was the tee I'm wearing.
- Chris Nixon
lol fail snail
- Toby Weston
from twhirl
Ran the SunSpider javascript benchmarks with 3 browsers, here are the results:
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browser 1: 5567ms - http://tinyurl.com/63879t
- Amund Tveit
browser 2: 28616ms - http://tinyurl.com/5osz7c
- Amund Tveit
browser 3: 10641ms - http://tinyurl.com/5goxnq
- Amund Tveit
chrome, ie8, ff3
- Amund Tveit
Preventing paranoia: when does Google Chrome talk to Google.com? - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
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Matt, I think your commitment to being out front and transparent with users is awesome. You are a busy guy, but we on the outside appreciate you taking the time to address stuff in a clear way that doesn't reek of PR disinfectants.
- Christopher Sacca
I think when Gmail was first introduced there was a simlar disclaimer-like line in terms mentioning that Google reserved itself a right to screen all emails to and fro the user registered with it. There were even an article or two crying foul on Gmail censorship. See how we all got used to it now and never even remember :)
- Hayk H.
Thanks, Sacca. It's weird because I consciously don't want to be a Google fanboy, but Chrome just rocks so hard that it's difficult to stay neutral. It's just really exciting to share one of Google's greatest long-time secrets with the world today.
- Matt Cutts
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