I think that this helps Twitter get to the next level. Why? Because it brings us deep inside Twitter where we see what they are thinking. It humanizes Twitter. It opens up Twitter in a way that Facebook simply won't be able to respond to.
- Robert Scoble
The pulse of the planet. You've gotta' love that.
- Gregg Morris
James: me too, but at least it shows that there's leaders there.
- Robert Scoble
It shows them to be very deliberate and thoughtful about a lot of things, that's for sure.
- Bill Kinney
If I were at Facebook now I would have a hacker "steal" my internal plans and publish them too. This is great PR for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
ah crap techcrunch has lost it, stupid journalism and unwanted
- Keith Dsouza
Whether it's good or not for Twitter the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth from TC perspective.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Awesome? Asking for a "full license to the content (including commercial use)", doesn't sound very awesome to me. http://cliq.cc/asfxl
- Darren
Should have turned the docs over to the authorities. Take the high road not the road to more page views.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
This came up in our discussion, this might actually help Twitter. This is the first time everyone's pretty much siding with them and giving twitter sympathy. We have a great discussion on the matter going on here: http://davidspinks.com/2009...
- David Spinks
It's still in bad taste. What would he say if his company's internal strategy were leaked and publicly scrutinized by competitors? This is a plus for Twitter because they sound like they have things together, but Arrington and TechCrunch just look petty and opportunistic.
- ServInt
Although just about any news outlet would do the same thing, so it's hard to fault him entirely.
- ServInt
it reads to me like Arrington is leveraging possession of these documents to make twitter say "thank you, sir! may i have another?". i just can't get behind that. Dave Winer points out people are interested and want to know about this. true - myself included - but it will all come to light soon enough. is anyone making book on whether there will be a glass houses moment for TechCrunch?
- jeffscott
Robert , cant agree more, this is great PR for Twitter. Maybe this is whole incident is going according to Plan ? If the French site got these tonnes of doc's why did they not pub them too eh ?? after all its a scoop correct ?
- Peter Dawson
I suspect in the end it will be a win win for both parties TC and Twitter.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Just like paparazzi pics of Britney Spears topless make her look freaking awesome. TC is the new National Enquirer for nerds.
- jcunwired
Twitter just looks like all the rest of us, innovating away, not really sure where they are going. It all looks very real and normal to me.
- Graeme Sutherland
I'm with Molly Wood on this. Dick move Tech Crunch.
- Tom McCoy
Twitter may look awesome but I think it makes TechCrunch look awful. When you use the word "stolen" it's like you don't think they were but they were. This is TechCrunch profiting off stolen goods which is illegal when it comes to tangible items. I think they should have turned them over to Twitter with a hey dude I think you might want these back.....
- Jerranna
I guess what I'm wondering is why any of it was "secret" to begin with. If they want me to invest in them, this is the kind of thing they should be telling me.
- Matthew DeVries
I have to agree with Darren, I don't like the concept that Twitter wants "full license to the content (including commercial use)." Their "content," as I understand it, are the thoughts and musings of all us tweeps. Sure, lots of people, myself included, also use Twitter to promote an article or some other sort of publicity. But what about the more random thoughts that are posted? I...
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- Ian Paul
Not sure it makes them look awesome, but it certainly is not hurting them being talked about. I mean as a user, at the end of the day, do you feel good about the poor security job by a company trying to be a major media player?
- Patrick Boegel
I feel conflicted. On one side, I do not agree with what Techcrunch did. I understand why, but the ethical issues have me filing this under my long in the tooth file called "I have personal issues with what journalists sometimes do, but appreciate the fact that they do it." (Watergate, anyone?) Moving on... I am also fascinated. Twitter have, literally, made a monster. For a while it...
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- Andy Bold
Phase 1 - Release documents showing what we'd like to do. Phase 2 - Do something else. Phase 3 - Profit
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Looks they know who they are but is it deliberate?
- ashish
Re: my earlier comment about licensing content. I just got to the document where Twitter discusses content licensing options. I like the issues they're pondering and the consideration for the average user. Let's hope that kind of awareness remains. I'm impressed by the process Twitter is going through, and the thoughtfulness these documents express. But does it make them look awesome?...
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- Ian Paul
"Audience size: 1st to a Billion = Awesome" - I imagine the Twitter guys throwing up the horns and headbanging when they read this to themselves.
- Bryan Zirkel
It's a link farm. There's no conversation going on there. But hey, we need one of those. Just like we need a World Wide Rolodex called Facebook. It's all good.
- Stephen Pickering
i think it's a bull$hit story, for new bogus cyber laws, and also to distract from the Goldman Sachs/Quantum Trading Shakeup scandal ; see http://ff.im/5dh9T +++ and also btw: http://ff.im/5jNoC LaToyah Jackson Twitter-Follow autoUpdate delayed by Twitter
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Again, I think Twitter could have stolen the thunder away from TechCrunch here and just published it all ahead of time. They had a huge opportunity.
- Jesse Stay
I think I would call this in favor of Twitter. They have been very close to the vest about their plans to the point that people have speculated (too long) that there are no plans or they are too scattered to have any plans. In the absence of communication / information, people have been filling in the "blanks" with their own information and most of it has not been good. So, by giving us...
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- Brenda Young
I will let you know my personal opinion after getting my “advisor shares” :)))
- Nir Ben Yona
Actually, the "Twitter Papers" stolen and leaked make them look like a company in the thrall and haze of early momentum trying to figure out what do next...trying not to be stupid and squander what they, and many of us, sense is an historic commercial, consumer and social moment. Their apparent bouncing from suitor meeting to suitor meeting to acquisition analysis and back to competitor...
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- Thom Kennon
Feldman has gotten hold of all 320 pages it seems, heh
- Mark
I love the idea, a lot of my hopes for twitter may not be (such) a pipe dream anymore. It would be great if they came through on 1/2 of the ideas "posted" by TC.
- Adam
Twitter is now claiming on their blog that they do not agree with what arrington posted regarding their consent.
- Bill Kinney
Bill: Actually, they seem to further equivocate, saying they didn't give "permission for these documents to be shared". That could simply refer to them giving the thief permission to "share" with TC... not denying they let Arrington publish them with, my guess is, agreed edits and redacts. Schonfeld is very quiet about all this. Would be interesting to sweat him out a bit...
- Thom Kennon
In my opinion TC shouldnt public any of these docs ,,,,they are stolen and there is no way that this site or another will use them
- Johni Fisher
what do you mean Johni? gawker have stated tonight they will post the whole set of documents if someone sends them to their inbox
- Mark
TC is doing Twitter a favor. By controlling what gets out Twitter remains happy, it remains controversial, and Twitter gets more exposure than they could ask for. Otherwise you can bet they will end up on wikileaks somewhere (and they probably will anyway).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay: do you see an opportunity in the way that these docs landed on the TC table ... sorry they should protect Twitter and help them to find the one that made that, TC has an important space today in the tech world and they sould protect companies like Twitter
- Johni Fisher
Johni, even more so, TC has a responsibility as a journalist to report the news, and protect their sources at the same time. I imagine the reporting here and discussions with Twitter were done in a very business-like manner, offering Twitter the opportunity for a ton of exposure if Twitter in turn would agree not to sue them. The other alternative would be the entire documents would end...
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- Jesse Stay
Jesse : if there is fire somewhere will you join ? or try to help ?TC has much more than just responsibility,I cant see any other way to publish these docs with out the 100% OK of Twitter ,and if some one will ask me ,I am sure that all this story is with the 100% ok from them ,TC will not take any risk on that ,,,its funny that most of us are belivers :-)))
- Johni Fisher
Johni, I'm saying this leak is the best thing that could have happened to Twitter. There's no fire, and Tech Crunch is only helping to make it better. What would be worse is it appearing on Wikileaks with no exposure in any way by TechCrunch. Twitter's trying to downplay it right now because they have to or their investors will be all over them. Twitter couldn't ask for better exposure though. Controversy is what makes products.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse:If Twitter are not ok with the action it should never be on the Air ,sorry that I cant agree about TC helping Twitter and not losing the big news to other bloger ,,,LOL TC has much more to lose than other bloger ,,, and if I was Twitter founder I would make 20-50 million usd just by asking TC to pay quickly with out the court ,,,,I am sure that this story if Twitter will act with...
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- Johni Fisher
"Stolen" indeed. These docs were written to be leaked.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yeah, no typos, no mistakes in grammar, no margin notes, revision notes, just pages and pages of pure gold.
- Matthew DeVries
It look like Twitter is going public ... lets see
- Johni Fisher
Anyone that previously thought the they don't have a plan to generate revenue is now proven wrong. They certainly spend a considerable amount of time thinking about that.
- Joe Buhler
A little too much to think of twitter as "the pulse of the internet", but they do look awesome. Wonder if it wasnt all just a big PR stunt.. it came on a very good timing!
- Leonardo Saraceni
and seem to have a clue as to how to get there too, Joe.
- Bill Kinney
I have issues with TC's decision to publish this info but I'll admit that I read every word of that last post. I'm blown away by how much information was revealed. My head is spinning digesting all of the info and wondering how all of those potential partnerships will be impacted.
- Mike Doeff
stolen is the key word. not leaked, but stolen. it pisses me off that @arrington is trying to make this whole thing look like he is doing twitter a favor by helping them with their security isuues and so on. the right thing to do would have been to email @ev or whomever and tell them they had been hacked. delete the documents off of his computer and report the story with twitters permission. if it were leaked info, i think @arrington could do whatever he wanted with the info.
- Tobias Lewsadder
another issue is the burning of bridges... did @arrington shoot himself in the foot by doing this? will twitter ever grant him an interview? will twitter ever come to him with breaking news? will twitter investors like kevin rose ever trust arrington? and... after the whole @leolaporte issue where everyone was hating on @arrington and he stated that he feared for his personal safety, is...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
How does this conversation change in light of this from @ev? http://twitter.com/ev... In my eyes, it says "TC are either misleading their readers, incompetent, or full of BS."
- Andy Bold
And I am reminded of all the -is vitriol too strong a word?- directed at last.fm reference their data sharing without, as far as I can see so far, any real evidence displayed by TC. How is it that TC will publish "secret" Twitter docs, but not post any docs supporting the last.fm allegations? Inconsistent and sloppy.
- Andy Bold
Mostly it makes TC look like a bunch of assholes.
- Bas
I am sure they are not assholes, but their editorial policy is spotty at best, and broken at worst.
- Mark
The funny thing about Arrington, is when it all gets too much for him he goes on vacation. He is publishing stolen documents and getting slammed for it, but of course its all about him, so he proclaims he is running away to las vegas.
- Mark
Of course he thinks he is a martyr now for publishing this. He tweeted something like "taking the sword in the back" for the good of the industry. You better believe if it was a blog with less influence than TC, or less power than Arrington there would have been cease and desists and other legal things from TWITTER.
- Mark
I thought there was some kind of law against stealing and/or publishing internal business documents. Espionage. Maybe Twitter's business model just became suing TechCrunch?
- beersage
@Mark - Twitter has more "Charisma" in my opinion... meaning more folks would come to Twitter's defense if they sued TechCrunch than consider them 'evil.' They'd probably have to show that the release of the documents has damaged their business.
- beersage
Take a look at that Twitter blog post posted a few hours ago, it seems to suggest they might go after people who publish internal documents
- Mark
They aren't suing anyone. They engineered this. They're posturing as part of the rouse.
- Matthew DeVries
But why would they leak documents in which they say Marissa at google is a pain in the ass?
- Mark
Because she does, in fact, induce rectal pain?
- Matthew DeVries
I highly doubt Twitter set this up as a hoax. It makes them look incredibly dumb for lack of security.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
From what I've read it's all good press,all power to ya Twitter.
- Richard Kawane Sr
Small minds talk about people, great minds discuss ideas. Can we move the conversation to open vs. Closed and transparency in modern businesses. What about the effect social media is having on this shift.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Indeed. If felt a bit like nosing around into someone's secret diary but it does make them look smart, deep thinking and a bit dreamy (which is not necessarily bad.) I am not sure I am ok with TechCrunch publishing it though. And I loved this: “unusually happy place to work in”.
- Ina Ghita
ScottBourne: welcome to our legal system where if there are two conflicting interests things sometimes get warped. There's lots of legal precident here for stolen docs to be sharable publicly because of our First Amendment. Twitter would probably lose a suit, according to the legal analysis I've seen. This is why journalists and lawyers aren't liked, though. No one ever said this business is nice.
- Robert Scoble
Wreaks of publicity stunt to this skeptic...
- Dale
IMO, dealing in stolen good is just that. publishing them doesn't change anything. sure, there are times that some have purposefully stolen documents with the express purpose of publishing them - sometimes to expose crimes, etc. it's still stealing and some go to jail for such actions no matter the motive or outcome. finally publishing stolen Twitter docs doesn't come close to journalistic acts of publishing stolen government docs in an effort to thwart crimes so don't even go there.
- MikeAmundsen
I side with Twitter on the whole thing (mostly since they admitted to being in the wrong), but to an extent, I question the validity and integrity of the documents, since nobody outside of Twitter has seen them (Barring whoever supposedly submitted them to TechCrunch, and the few people who read the related blog posts).
- Tyson Key
Gotta agree with Dale... this seems pretty contrived. And coming off the heels of techcrunch, where real-time media is all the rage, it seems like a planned way to build buzz on the Twit
- Mark Gordon
it is good PR for new hire: great ambitions
- Jadito
The perception from the docs is that they are diligently planning and internalizing their growth. That said going from 25 million users to 1 Billion in just 4 years would be breathtaking -- and far beyond the faster than any communication paradigm ever in the history of the planet.....Is this planned? That seems unlikely. Should they have been posted by TechCrunch -- no.
- Shane Pearson
They will achieve such ambition if they are bought by a bigger one. What is freaking.is if they change their privacy policy like Facebook did.
- Eric Gourmet
Because you didn't just leave quietly, you needed to make sure that everyone who was on FriendFeed understood that you were leaving because we were losers. So I lashed back.
- Robert Scoble
Lots of people call FriendFeed names. That's nothing new and I didn't key in on any of them. Just search Twitter for hundreds of examples.
- Robert Scoble
But when you delete my work when you leave, then you are a jerk. And when you deride my community as lame as you leave, then you are a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
Technosailor wrote that the content was his to delete. No, my comments are NOT his to delete. At least not without being a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
Cool! I'm seeing the updates on this one as you type them!
- Adrian Scicluna
Hans: It's High School 2.0, I haven't called anyone a stinky-poopyhead, yet.
- Raymond Mendoza
Hans: keep your hands off of my toys. :-)
- Robert Scoble
No, it's real-time Kindergarten, stinky-poopyhead! << for Raymond
- Nick Wade
I never knew of that other guy until this thread. Wonder if his twitter follower numbers went up after this?
- Jim Connolly
And my line has been stolen... I know I should have copyright'd it.
- Raymond Mendoza
probably will Jim good point, I was thinking all publicity is good publicity, according to his blog he could use some capital
- Mark Essel
Well, I'm outta here. Jim: yes, they went up. Why? Bots and spammers. Everyone's numbers are going up.
- Robert Scoble
It's been fun - catch you around Mr Scoble ;-)
- Jim Connolly
Actually, we need College Humour to do a FriendFeed spoof
- Marlin Forbes
I'm still itching to make a pitch to a) a social media company b) a search/ad aggregator. twitter and google probably don't wanna play nice. maybe friendfeed and microsoft. There's always a facebook app :D Or the far out Baidu & fanfou
- Mark Essel
If you missed the original announcement/comment thread in question and know English or Greek, you can judge for yourself how it went down (see attached PDF here: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... )
- Micah Wittman
I'm taking my ball and going home...
- Alex Esplin
Robert. Cambridge needs you. Great that you are here again. Enjoy.
- Philip Baddeley
from iPhone
Well Robert, I guess you should get FriendFeed to do what Twitter did and make all of your comments belong to you rather than the person who's post you commented on.
- ChiliMac
Jim: No doubt the followers went up...SPAM! @technosailor, @technosailor, @technosailor...
- Austin Smith
And @Scobleizer...life's too short...my vote is that once content is either posted or commented, it becomes public domain, much like, you know, EVERYTHING ELSE on the internet! Wat u guys think?
- Austin Smith
No "EVERYTHING ELSE" is not assumed to be in the Public Domain just because it "ends up" on the internet. If that were true then there would be ZERO lawsuits regarding copyright infringement over things "ALL OVER THE INTERNET". ((c))2009+ by "ME"
- CLC Radio
So, like Yo @everybodyontwitter get that?
- CLC Radio
I don't want to comment on this just to get my name on the page. That would be childish.
- Mark Drapeau
Can I be in the mob too please? Is it too late? I want to be in the mob!! Hello!!
- Dave Winer
This seems to be a community policy/software issue. Most communities don't allow folks to delete comments and posts because it leaves a hole/gap in the conversations. The profile is marked inactive when someone leaves the community - either leaving the user name intact or replacing it with a more generic one. The right to delete a user account should be a personal one, with no...
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- Pat Graham Block
Just was talking to http://www.friendfeed.com/garin and we came to the conclusion that if you are going to comment on a friendfeed item you should either be first or last. Why? They always are visible. So, here's your chance! :-)
Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments.
- Internet's Tad
Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer?
- Kevin Johnson
Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :)
- rob friedman
Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun!
- Robert Scoble
Dang it I am 5 min too late. So I guess it is like posting on a blog post, you always want to be first.
- Jeff
Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last.
- Ted Bradford II
That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P
- Chris Heath
Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience.
- michael sean wright
if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day.
- Ted Bradford II
Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well)
- Chris Heath
Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess...
- Andy Werner
I actually come back 5 days later to make comments so I can have the last word. Everyone has already forgotten what the conversation is about by then.
- Jeff
Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all.
- Ted Bradford II
Second to last is always visible on my screen. :)
- Bwana ☠
Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever....
- Barak B
Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically.
- Charbax
A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!!
- Peter Kelley
Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again?
- Amit Morson
Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden.
- Robert Scoble
In a different timezone you can have the advantage :)
- Rene de Vries
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
What if you write backwards? Does that help?
- Kieran Daly
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. says Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters.
- Molly
Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along)
- Jim Espinoza
By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-)
- Opensource Obscure
112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit?
- WorldofHiglet
The current last comment is the next penultimate comment.
- Brian Sullivan
Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol
- Jason Williams
Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer
- Bwana ☠
Winer. I don't think they have too much power
- Steve Gillmor
Kevin: i did not say it was spam. I put the smiley face indicating my partial joking nature. but only partial.
- Jeff
Robert: I could not figure out how to disable comments for particular post. It is really not a big issue since I have gmail, but I do think this post may never die.
- Jeff
I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
A good way to stop? - Scoble puts in his penultimate comment Kevin Johnson says zaloom!
- Julian Edward
This is the Seinfeld of FF....the post and comments about nothing. I wonder what the record is for the most comments on FF?
- Jeff
As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- stephen harlow
I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I reckon it'll be Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much).
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
No, No! - I didn't mean you worm. Although as you say they are useful beings. I do hope you'lll be in heroic position of last commenter! This is a case of the last shall be second. (Kevin Johnson being first of course). Scoble is penultimate we would hope. I'm aiming for 5th to last!
- Julian Edward
Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden