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A Speculative Post on the Idea of Algorithmic Authority « Clay Shirky - http://www.shirky.com/weblog...
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"It provides the output to the end user without any human supervisor checking it at the penultimate step; and these processes are eroding the previous institutional monopoly on the kind of authority we are used to in a number of public spheres, including the sphere of news." I can think of some other public spheres that fit the situation described.
- Kevin Gamble
These are the most dangerous posts, they always lead me to other readings that take my entire night. Currently reading Russell's paper on "Why I'm not a Christian", not quite sure how I got here, but considering where the Bible fits as an authoritative source. Interesting.
- Floyd Davenport
5 Impressive Real-Life Google Wave Use Cases - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Watch a few of these videos and then tell me that Wave doesn't change everything.
- Kevin Gamble
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It really challenges us to consider how this communication model might play out for Extension... opportunities. Right now with restructuring going on across the county, I keep thinking of communications with County Councils. Could be cool, if we could incorporate an assessment tool into Wave.
- Floyd Davenport
Wave doesn't change anything unless average people actually adopt it. All the use cases here are technical or geek in nature.
- Jason Huebel
I'm average and I use it. Might even be below average.
- Kevin Gamble
Schneier on Security: Zero-Tolerance Policies - http://www.schneier.com/blog...
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"The solution is to combine the two, rules and discretion, with procedures to make sure they're not abused. Provide rules, but don't make them so rigid that there's no room for interpretation. Give the people in the situation -- the teachers, the airport security agents, the policemen, the judges -- discretion to apply the rules to the situation. But -- and this is the important part -- allow people to appeal the results if they feel they were treated unfairly. And regularly audit the results to ensure there is no discrimination or favoritism. It's the combination of the four that work: rules plus discretion plus appeal plus audit."
- Jason Adam Young
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Future Designer laptop - ROLLTOP //Diploma Thesis// - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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10 of the Best Social Media Tools for Entrepreneurs >> http://mashable.com/2009...
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From flight home yesterday. One of the prettiest views I've seen out a plane http://posts.rambleon.org/from-fl...
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Wow, just realized that I never once looked out the window, and I had the window seat. My bad!
- Kevin Gamble
Time on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/6888681
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pretty cool - I'd love to have a good pocketwatch one day
- Jason Adam Young
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Meshing knowledge power and organizational power - http://www.extension.iastate.edu/mt...
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Understanding our strengths and working towards a common goal.
- Floyd Davenport
U.S. Geological Survey launches @USGSted, the Twitter Earthquake Detector http://recovery.doi.gov/press... (orig: http://www.flickr.com/photos...) #twitterquake
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Wide and Long - http://rambleon.org/2009...
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Visual Effects: 100 Years of Inspiration - http://mag.ma/andrew/52521
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I love your 404 page for magma :D great use of content ;)
- alphaxion
How Twitter (and Facebook) solve problems partially - amix blog - http://amix.dk/blog...
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Very nice post... and timely too. I wonder how often you should apply the Pareto principle? 80%?
- Floyd Davenport
Just think how much you wouldn't do if you applied this principle? I'm also thinking that 80% of the cost is spent on trying to solve that last 20%.
- Kevin Gamble
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CEO of NPR is clear: they won't go paywall. She calls it a "mass delusion" in the news industry http://www.newsweek.com/id... (via @acarvin)
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The new NPR site is really well done. Good interview w/ Schiller as well.
- Ken Kennedy
When paywalls go up, the ones left standing will be orgs like NPR. Smart move on their part.
- Matt Mastracci
It really amazes me that the newspaper industry has so buried it's head in the sand and learned nothing from the other media outlets (chiefly the recording industry). It's really kind of sad that the entire industry really can't think, and find ways to innovate in the current realities of news. To me, it simply proves that the current news organizations will in fact die. Newspapers have...
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- Chad Albert
Some great quotes from the article, too: 'Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we're all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us.' -- Love it.
- Ken Kennedy
A remarkably blunt statement, all the more so since she is a former NY Times digital executive.
- Jay Rosen
Recall for back story the editor of the Financial Times claiming almost all serious news organizations will go with a pay model. We discussed it: http://ff.im/5jmCo
- Jay Rosen
Two questions, which always occur to me when New Media critics roll their eyes and mock news publishers for wanting paywalls: 1). If not some form of subscriptions, what will work? (And the answer, unless you are a genuine "gravedancer" cannot be a variation of Clay Shirky's now-famous formulation:"Nothing will work." I'm looking for real, helpful suggestions.) 2. The alternative to...
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- Jason Pontin
"As senior vice president and general manager of the NYTimes.com, Vivian Schiller presided over one of the industry's best-read Web sites..." Her words:."I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online. It's almost like there's mass delusion going on in the industry—They're saying we really really need it, that we didn't put up a pay wall 15...
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- Jay Rosen
NPR has subscription revenue AND $200+ million courtesy of Joan Kroc. Who needs a paywall when you have a moat of cash like that?
- Alan Mairson
I don't get it. IF Vivian Schiller is correct, IF it's a delusion, IF "people will not in large numbers pay for news content online," how does the $200 million Joan Kroc gave to NPR alter that equation for the news organizations planning to charge? She may be wrong in her interpretation of history, her predictions about user behavior may be off, but I don't see what the $8 million to $10 million in income from the endowment has to do with the situation for the news companies she's referencing.
- Jay Rosen
Agreed, Jay. Schiller estimates in that very article that the endowment (currently about $258M according to Wikipedia) would need to be $8 _billion_ to fully support "the operating budget of a large national-international news organization". 3.5% of that total in the bank is fantastic, but it doesn't make NPR magically immune to financial considerations.
- Ken Kennedy
Annual newsroom budget for the NYTimes is about $200 million.
- Jay Rosen
... My point: NPR has a business model that doesn't require a paywall—and that business model includes more Joan Krocs. The Washington Post & countless other papers don't have that option.
- Alan Mairson
Okay, they don't have that option because no one gave them a $200 million endowment. Message received. I heard you the first, second and third times you made this point, Alan. Full stop. And how does that point bear on the question of whether users will pay for online news? I must be really thick because I STILL don't get it.
- Jay Rosen
Well, Jay, I guess you didn't hear the other part of my message, which I've also repeated multiple times: paywalls are a "delusion"; paywalls are a "mass delusion." People won't pay for (most) content. Vivian Schiller is right. We agree with each other. Full stop. Everything okay thus far? .... Good. Now here's the second point: Listening to Vivian Schiller dismiss paywalls is like...
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- Alan Mairson
No, I'm sorry, it isn't. You must be referencing other listeners who, you are speculating, will not be convinced by her arguments because NPR has an endowment, so it's "easy for her to say." So who will they be convinced by? Bloggers with no skin in the game? http://tr.im/u7Ta Steve Yelvington? (career newspaper man) http://www.yelvington.com/node... Jeff Jarvis, who is now seen as an...
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- Jay Rosen
Who is the right messenger? The *current* VP for nytimes.com or the publisher of the Washington Post—because Vivian Schiller, like the bloggers you reference, no longer has any skin in the paywall game. She escaped a horrible situation at the Times—a great career move for her. But she's like the poor girl who marries rich—and then bad mouths all her old friends back home in the projects...
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- Alan Mairson
Absolutely: one's position and investment in the media system should affect how we read and interpret that person. Anyone who says Clay Shirky knows nothing about the media business is behaving like a clown, yes. By your own testimony the statement isn't true. "Can you believe that everyone isn't doing what Google is doing" doesn't describe anything I have said. Nor have I said that...
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- Jay Rosen
Thanks, Jay.
- Alan Mairson
Also, http://twitter.com/jayrose... ... "I am myself STRONGLY in favor of having pro journalists who get paid to do great work full time, and I consider them essential to the nation."
- Jay Rosen
Alan, I hear your point...but saying "Who is the right messenger? The *current* VP for nytimes.com or the publisher of the Washington Post" --- when that happens, they debate is over. That's like saying that until the opposing viewpoint agrees with me, my argument isn't valid.
- Ken Kennedy
In addition, I think the comparison of Schiller to a poor girl who married rich is a bit disingenuous. It's a valid decision to vote with your feet. If her analysis of the situation was that that the NYT wasn't moving from its delusional decision (that charging for commodity news is a good idea), and NPR seemed like a better fit and a more enlightened place to work...calling her a gold-digger is pretty unfair.
- Ken Kennedy
aside from the debate over who should be taken as credible in the discussion, isn't much of the newspaper's problem generating subscribers a result of sheer overcapacity? I counted the number of 'original' stories in my local paper this morning: 27% by number. Even less by column inch. If 73% of the news in a paper is syndicated, why would anyone pay for it multiple times and in an...
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- jeff hammond
@jason_pontin, the solution re:news media "pay wall" is here: http://businessmindhacks.com/post...
- Alex Schleber
Ken - If Katherine Weymouth says "paywalls are nuts," then the debate would be over ***at the Washington Post***. But it wouldn't end the industry-wide debate. Everyone would wait & see if the WaPo could make it work. See: TimesSelect. ... And yes, of course it's valid to vote with your feet. But sitting at the New York Times and saying "paywalls are delusional" is a negation, not a...
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- Alan Mairson
P.S. (I wrote this in a comment last night, but I accidently deleted it) As Jay knows, I was, until recently, a writer & editor for National Geographic magazine, the official journal of the National Geographic Society. When Joan Kroc dropped $200 million on NPR, you could hear the Society's foundation & grants people groan: "Why not us??" I think it's because National Geographic's...
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- Alan Mairson
I saw the comment last night, Alan. I'm not disputing your industry chops. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
@Alan: wrt your comment, "And to call NPR "enlightened" is to suggest that the NYTimes is not." -- I didn't say that...I [edit] said that, to Schiller, NPR (might) "[seem like] a better fit and a more enlightened place to work". WRT this situation (news as commodity), I'd stand by (ie, agree with) that statement, based on what I know. Also, my point there was that your gold-digger comment was harsh, not that the NYT was a bad, evil place.
- Ken Kennedy
@Ken: FYI - I wasn't trying to establish my "chops" - just wanted to share a story that highlights the problem most newspapers & magazines will have emulating the NPR model. (If anyone could come close, it would be a non-profit like National Geographic. But, as I mentioned, I think Rupert & Co put the kabosh on that strategy. I hope I'm wrong, but NGS has been doing the foundation &...
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- Alan Mairson
Wow. 49 likes. Definitely an outlier in the "likes" department. Wonder why. :-)
- Jay Rosen
Liking is a lot easier than paying!
- Jim Norris
Coming in late, but... the NYT could only get 225K online subscribers during the paywall era to cough up $50 each. To me, that suggests that even if people haven't yet thought of any good, non-advertiser alternatives to paywalls, paywalls themselves won't work.
- Andrew C
If I understand Jay's argument, we are in agreement, for once. (I put aside his reflexive and unhelpful personal invective - "clown," etc. - as a feature of his prose style.) I don't get Vivian Schiller's point, either. People *are* paying for NPR's content - in the form of small donations by the millions of dollars, in large endowments like Joan Kroc's, and in some (dwindling)...
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- Jason Pontin
OTOH, Cook's Illustrated has 260K subscribers to their online site ( http://www.37signals.com/svn... ), but then again that's a very different business in all sorts of ways...
- Andrew C
original article is a great read.
- Chieze Okoye
@Alan...no worries! I did actually, first pass, misunderstand your NatGeo point. I hear what you're saying there. Also glad we've connected...you're posting some interesting stuff. @Andrew...the Cook's Illustrated comparison IS relevant, IMO, b/c as you note, they're different. The value that people are paying for is about as far from "news [or food, in this instance] as commodity" as...
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- Ken Kennedy
Too bad NPR is so obviously biased. Nothing says "tax revolt" like our tax dollars supporting liberal propaganda. >.>
- David C. Cooper
Jarvis with a word on this article http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009...
- Jay Rosen
Today's Google Webmaster video on how Google uses meta descriptions. Topic came up in @k1v1n's learn session yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/GoogleW...
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Nice find Brian. TY!
- Kevin Gamble
Universities and Economic Growth - http://philip.greenspun.com/teachin...
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"In the face of massive technological advances, the most significant change that universities have made is removing their only quality control mechanism. Through tenure, the university now guarantees professors pay regardless of effectiveness."
- jerobins
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What will be the final driver for change?
- Floyd Davenport
@floyd - dropping in revenues i would assume
- jerobins
I don't think we should assume they will change. The newspapers and others in similar predicaments have not changed significantly. I don't think the current model is sustainable. So perhaps we will see a new leaner and cheaper approach from wholly new institutions? Apprenticeships sprinkled with some more formal learning? "I studied under..." There has to be something to replace the credentialing that will carry as much weight as the current system.
- Kevin Gamble
"I learned twitter from @k1v1n" diplomas are being designed for printing as we type
- jerobins
@jerobin -- there will be no diplomas in k1v1n's world. I might consider badges, however.
- Kevin Gamble
did someone say badgers? http://rambleon.org/2007...
- Jason Adam Young
@jason-- that was a classic. Thanks for the memories. I was laughing so hard I was crying.
- Kevin Gamble
Social Media 101: Destination Website Fail - http://blog.k1v1n.com/2009...
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Your blog is totally blacklisted at my office for some reason.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel -- How cool is that? I feel totally honored.
- Kevin Gamble
Mapping the Core Principles for Public Engagement : Open to persuasion… - http://opentopersuasion.com/2009...
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Bus factor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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What do you call it when you are down to one bus driver?
- Floyd Davenport
That's like asking about the ground speed velocity of an unladen bus. It depends on whether the bus is a single-decker, a double-decker, or an articulated bus.
- Jason Adam Young
Y'all are on different flights for the junket? Just checking...
- Kevin Gamble
I'm assuming an articulated bus would absorb a percentage of force from impact?
- Floyd Davenport
That's an interesting question. I think it would depend on the angle of impact. Which way is the driver looking?
- Jason Adam Young
Added two more avatars to http://tinyurl.com/d79sa8 DM if you know of avatars I've missed, otherwise we'll call this page complete. - http://twitter.com/acenetc...
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Gawker - You Don't Have a Right to Anonymity - Night jack - http://gawker.com/5292783...
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"But the decision to do so carries with it certain exceedingly obvious risks, and when the jig is up, it's best for anonybloggers to endure the scrutiny with dignity rather than complain that people who had no obligation or interest in preserving their anonymity have behaved as such."
- Kevin Gamble
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And here's the deal... the jig will always be up. Where it's a nice notion the days of anonymity are over.
- Kevin Gamble
I'm Batman
- Floyd Davenport
@floyd-- I know that was hard for you, but it was the right thing to do.
- Kevin Gamble
The Worst Business Model in the World (And What You Can Learn From It) - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque...
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"Wonga's about as disruptive as a zit."
- Kevin Gamble
Wow, who knew being a loan shark was legal?
- Dwayne Watson
well said, "designed to extract value — not create it."
- Floyd Davenport
Organizational Barriers to Social Media Adoption | Justin R. Levy - http://justinrlevy.com/2009...
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NETC2010 Invitation Team - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Nice... I think we should all wear uniforms.
- Floyd Davenport
More presentations from ACE NETC 2009 (combined agricultural communications/IT conference in Des Moines http://bit.ly/18MBKo - http://twitter.com/LtoG...
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HighTouch: The Heisenberg principle and education - http://blog.k1v1n.com/2009...
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RT @clowcreative The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
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HighTouch: The Heisenberg principle and education - http://blog.k1v1n.com/2009...
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Nice job of introducing concepts of George Washington Carver roles and principles to today.
- Anne Adrian
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