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We are arguing about that on the CES bus. Geeks! - Robert Scoble

Canon 5D MKII hands down. - Andrew Hyde

pro for sho - Bradley Will

Canon camera. I need a great camera more than a Mac - Keith - @tsudo

5d Mk II - Scott Loftesness

5D MKII, since I've already got a Mac Pro. ;) - Cory OBrien

Have a Nikon D300 and my old MBP is on the fritz, so this woud be a slam dunk for me - Gregg Gallagher

17 inch MBP because I love it. Then I'd buy a cheap 40D. I get more use out of a laptop than I do a camera. - Michael Yurechko

Apple 17-inch MacBookPro with a matte screen. - Arturo Puente

People who get a good cannon keep them forever, I go through a macbook every few years - Michael Struening

Macbook Pro. Only because I'm a Nikon fan. D300 is definitely my choice of camera ;) - Tamar Weinberg

mac - David Banes from IM

Mac - Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)

Would have to be the MacBookPro - Jason Townsend

The Canon. A solid peice of hardware and I'm after a camera - Mo Kargas

5D MKII of course. - Jeremy Franklin

The Canon. I'd have so much more fun with a zippy camera than a Big Mac. - Mike Neumann

Probably the computer. I'm happy with the first gen 5D I'm about to buy and as awesome as the camera is, the MBP doesn't need another $5K in lenses. - Derrick

Neither, you need at least twice that for glass & equipment to get the "rig" you should want for a Canon MKII - sorry, 3K isn't enough for that toy; and spending 3K on disposable technology (Mac equipment) isn't a wise investment. - Enrique Gutierrez

MBP....i miss my macs! - Brian Bufalo

5D MKII hands down. I can hold onto the memory cards until I get to a desktop :) - Austin

Without question: 5D mark II - Rodney L.

MBP - it's a means of production for me, once i make some extra cash with it I can always buy the 5D ;-) - Warren

which are you going to get more utility from? I'm guessing the Canon. - Peter Warnock

I already have a 5D MKII but I would take another one in a heartbeat, or a couple of nice L glass - Bill Pennington

5D Mark II..... no doubt. - Albert K

Canon, without a doubt. - Brad Butner

Definitely the MacBook Pro...but then again I'm not a photographer. - Charlie Flowers

Canon - Tyler (Chacha) from IM

Neither, I'd use it to buy food for a year. - Will Higgins™

Considering I can make quicker cash with my Photography work I would say the Canon 5D MKII and then I would buy the Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro with some of my earnings! - Patrick Greer

5D Mark II. And then throw the remaining towards some new glass. - Andy Hannon

2k into the bank, 1k for computer upgrades and other stuff. - Grant Bierman

5D Mk II everytime ... unless I don't have a Mac at that particular time ... - Stephen Taylor

I would go for the Macbookpro - Troy Malone

5D MKII...already have a MacBookPro and I'm willing to ditch my Nikon gear! - Dan Shust

Canon 5D MKII since I already have the 15" MBP. - Alan Le

I don't need either one--but I think the Canon would have much better resale value--so given the choices: Canon. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Canon 5D MKII - for sure! - I really want one.... :( - Brad

MBP - not a photographer - Matt Faulkner

A 50D and a fast lens. ;-) - D. Lambert

I've already got the 15" unibody so I'd go for the 5Dmkii - Sparky

If I didn't have a laptop, then I would get the 17" MBP. If I already had a lappy, then get the camera... - William Sellers

Well, I recently moved from a 30D to a 5DMII because it was a huge upgrade for my "system". With a 2 year old Macbook Pro still serving me well for my needs, it's an easy decision. Additionally, I can't see using a 17" notebook over a 15 for portability sake, I'd just as well get an iMac and keep using my Macbook Pro for mobile use. - Ryan

Aren't you in Vegas? I think there are a few other options in front of you.. - LA Snark

5D!! - Wil

The camera. I have a new macbook already. - Jim Williams

The 5D is more than a $3k investment. It's $3k upfront but thousands in lenses, flashes and other gear over the years. - Michael Yurechko

Canon 5DMIII... - Greg Kamer

MacBookPro 17-inch. I am a Nikon guy. So, Canon 5D MKII if I had $7K for all the lenses, too. - Chintan Zaveri

The camera! I already have the 15" MBpro. 17" is just too big. - Sherry Main

My 1 yr-old MacBook doesn't thrill me; it sits on the desk unused, and I just couldn't pay more than $200 for a camera, unless I was dreadfully rich. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

5DMKII - sell some images on istockphoto, and then buy an MSI Wind and install OSX. It is faster than my 15" MBP! - Darren Mak

Definitely the 5D MkII - Christopher Chan

$3,000 worth of NOODLZ - Bwana ☠

MBP. I just got a brand new camera. - Mistletoe Glen

100 shares of CRM ;D - barl0w

What would I do with a Mac? - drsPIX

5D MkII - want! I already have a Mac, iPhone, 2 PC's and a laptop. <sigh> gadget budget is small right now though. - Jim Bergman

canon 5d. already have a 15 mbp - Kiran Patchigolla

5D MK II You can always get the Mac later. - Yu Yu Din

I'd pay my bills and buy some groceries. - ::Kristen::

Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro. - Chris Luckhardt

What's an Apple 17-inch MacBookPro and why would a person need one? - Michael Krigsman

Mac book pro - Randy

MacBook Pro because I have neither a mac or digital SLR and the Mac does many things where as the canon does one thing well/ - Bryan Lee

Canon 5D MKII - منــــصــــور

I'll take the MacBook Pro - Rob

MacBookPro...or a Martin 12 http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product... and use the difference to buy a copy of logic pro for my 15" macbook pro - Armen Chakmakjian

I'll go for the MacBook. My heart beats nikon so.... - studio_juan

5D MKII - do you want to lug around that 17" beast? - nicholas einstein

MBP - already have a nice Canon - but my Mac sits firmly on my desk - shaun mclane

MacBook Pro, but I would need another $1200 for the 8GB of RAM. - Shawn Hickman

5D MKII. Even though I already have one. - Kathleen McGivney

Neither. Maybe 3 coins :). I have a Macbook Pro which I don't use often comparing to my PC. I am not into the consumer electronic stuff, only got a digital cam last year :). - dexin

Canon. Can't believe Apple ditched the matte screen on the 17" - FCP users and photographers don't want a glossy screen - the idea of the 17" is the ability to use it out in the field for photo/video editing. - Peter Clayton

So limiting, Robert! If I could pick whatever I wanted, I'd get one of those sweet Asus multi-touch netbooks coming out - and then use the rest to buy Yahoo! stock. :P - Shawn Farner

MB 13'' and the external cinema display. MBP17 is huge to carry out - Jean-Charles VERDIE

canon - jtothea

17" MBP FTW! You should create a poll on SocialToo.com Robert, then we can see graphed results! - Joseph

Craigslist in Cincinnati - 5D for 1200: http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele... - D. Lambert

Wow, what a great argument! 82 comments in 17 minutes! - Robert Scoble

MacBook Pro. I really, really, really want a new laptop even though my current MacBook works just fine. - Nation Hahn

Camera. Droooooooooool. - Alix Whitmire

Well part of it would have to go towards fixing my car, http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dz2kz. Then the rest would go towards buying a second camera body to be my main and at least one lens if not two. Then the rest would go towards bills. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Robert: Apple products plus awesome SLR cameras...response is a given :) - Mo Kargas

the camera is nice - especially all the HD video. friend of mine in the movie post-production business reckons this sort of Camera will KILL the movie camera business in a few years time. especially at the low-budget movie (<$30 million) of the movie business. RED already making big inroads. much cheaper than an ARRI. - Scot Mcphee

The MK II as I already have the MBP 17 inch...older but it works. - Semipro

Canon 5D is the winner for me. Great digital photography is the gift that keeps on giving.... ;-) - John Uppendahl

Well.... Given that I have 4 PC desktops, 2 PC laptops, and 1 iMac, all of which are operational and regularly used, AND that I suck at photography, I'm going for what's behind door #3: A whopping big HDTV -- which will get hooked up to the living room PC, of course. ;-) - Joanmarie

17" Mac. Already have a camera. . . - Scott Whitney

Nikon D3 - Bill Sanders

Macbook Pro for me. Would be my first Mac. - Jim Bednarz

Nikon D3 - ThePicMan

MacBook Pro. Don't need such a super-duper crazy camera. Not a real photographer. But a very real Mac geek. - Louis Gray

5D for sure! - Daniel Pourasghar

I'd go the MacBook - but I'd also load it up with the full 8gb of RAM I see as an option (and not many people mentioning). Sadly, a nice 17" MBP setup it just over NZ$10k :( - Mark Derricutt

MacBook Pro. Hands down. I'm a computer engineer, not a photographer. - Logan Leger

well since I've already got a Canon 5D Mark II... hmmmm... - Thomas Hawk

I'll buy neither. What I would rather do is try to buy one share of BRK-B if it gets to that price. :) - imabonehead

The 17" Mac Book Pro, I already have a 5D MkII ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

I'd buy the camera, I have always loved photography and wanted to learn. - R. Ferguson

The Canon, all the way man!! - Finding The View

Apple! I don't like the fact of the hd video recorder on the 5D and I want the Sony alpha! - Brandy Lea

Canon. 15" MBP is the largest I'll go. - ronin

I would take the cash and build an ultimate gaming PC !!! :D - ralphsaunders

When you buy an inexpensive camera, you really sacrifice quality, and that lack of quality endures (you want to keep your photos forever, right?). When you buy an inexpensive computer, that's not the case (I don't need a unibody case :) - David Andrzejewski

Canon 5D - easy answer! - Susan Beebe

Ouch, this one hurts. I suppose I can't opt for a Nikon equivalent to the Canon? If this is the choice, I'd opt for the MacBook Pro. But if I had 3K, I'd buy myself the Nikon D300 - Karoli

The Canon. A 17" laptop is too big unless you plan to use it as a desktop. - Hartley Spurlock

Mac for sure.I have a first generation Macbook and I need a new one. Kaya Singer - Kaya

I'd pay off my credit card. For all that stuff I, like, already bought. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

the Macbook pro but only because I need to upgrade my computer. - Anna Lynn M.

the Camera for sure - Tai

5d Mark II - Jauder Ho

None - a super-gaming rig. :) - carrotmadman6

Definitely a Canon 5D. - Maria Colacurcio

5D Mark II - Hands down. - Seagate

I would save it until I had between $8-15K for a CO2 laser cutting machine. I like my macs small, and while full frame sounds nice, I know I'm not nearly hungry enough to go pro in photography, so 40D suits me just fine. - Jason Wehmhoener

That's a tough one because I have been wanting to get my first Mac (have to start somewhere, right?!) but am a hard core Canon fan/user. So if push came to shove, I would have to go with the Canon. - Laura Zickus

Mmm, CO2 lasers. - Mo Kargas

That would be either a trip to another continent or a Fujitsu LifeBook P1630, but it would not be either of the options in the question. I seriously cannot understand $3k for a camera, unless you're going to make that money back in a month or two WITH said camera. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Neither, I would invest in the stock market. - DGentry

I'd prefer a D300, however no matter what brand I'd take the camera in a second over the MBP. Save up another $500 and get a Windows Notebook as well. - Kenton

The Canon 5D MKII for sure. Cameras bring me a lot more joy than flashy computers. Though a 17-inch MacBookPro would be nice to edit those new photos on too ;-) - Ian Holton from twhirl

Probably the Mac. I would never carry around a DSLR. Too big. - Rodfather

Neither. The new full frame format with HD Movies (wow! Woopee *rolls eyes*) is crap - only 3.9 FPS?! Who are they kidding?! - Adam

Seeing my Macbook Pro is 5 months old. I would buy neither...but I would buy a MacPro with more RAM. - Ryan

I take a cruise with Lindsay - big ass stateroom. - Chrimmus Tad

Neither, I'd get a Canon Rebel XTi and build a new gaming PC, anything left over would go toward the new home NOC - xero

I would take my lover to Italy :) - Maryam Scoble

The Canon 5D, I find the photographic process calming, a welcome diversion from the ones and zeros. - cornedbeefgents

Awwww :) - Mo Kargas

Nikon D700 - Rod Bauer from twhirl

There's one in every crowd. - Rod Bauer from twhirl

If I had the $3,000, Canon 5D and a larger donation here http://tinyurl.com/daniela Pros: it's more portable, takes better pictures, and connects to my more compact 15" Macbook Pro. Of course, it doesn't work with my Nikon lenses, so... - Lee Dale

Canon 5D MKII only cause I have a Macbook Pro. If I didnt it would be the Macbook. - Bob Maltais

Nah. Patrick's college fund. 5D Mark 2 or the Macbook isn't all that exciting. - Joshua Hayworth

cannon.I kill computers, so not worth spending 3 grand on one. Plus I have a (beat up) macbook pro already. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

Photos shoot at 3.9 fps, video shoots at 30 fps. @AdamGiovane - Jim Bergman

The MacBook of course. - Rob Fahrni

mac - Vishy

5D, but I wish it had XLR audio. - Gus

the new MBP, without a doubt ... my current ones needs a refresh (I'm accepting donations btw) ;-) - Jeffrey Canton

Since I'll be getting the new MBP anyway, I'll take the 5D. BTW, is anyone keeping score? - Brad Kligerman

I would buy the Canon, but of course, I would need a MacBook Pro in order to edit/view the photos the way they were meant to be viewed. - Robert Peña

Blatant self-promotion, but if Robert used re-searchr.com it would keep score for us... I wrote it to suck down inline multiple choice selections so no ne would even have to leave ff - James Ostheimer

Robert, you're asking the question that's been pondering in my mind from some time (albeit it used to be with the 15" and Cinema display v. 5D/a900/D700 -cannot make my mind-). I want to be able to make a decision before March. I think I'll be going for the Mac, since I might relocate in part of the world where carrying an expensive piece of art around my neck might be more dangerous than here, in JPN. - Paul Papadimitriou

I'd go for a MBP, mine needs an upgrade and I just bought a 50D not long ago which is just fine for me. - Andrew Trinh from Nambu

I need cash! :) - Randy

Some of us are Nikon people. Some of us are not Mac people. I'll just take the 3 Gs. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Nikon D700 + 50mm 1.4 prime lens! - Guillaume Lemoine

More lenses. My camera is fine, and this Thinkpad is a good 'un. - Paula W

Seems like Apple design the 17-inch MacBookPro just can use in 3years.the battery can only use in 1000 times,1time per 1day,3years.But Canon 5D can take more beatuful pics for me,and can stand by me more than 3years.if i really have 3000dollers,i real do this.kick off 17-inch MacbookPro. - jedorstar from twhirl

Lenses, like Paula sez. - Rob Kramer

Buy half and half :) - Michael Forian

Wow, I came late to this convo. Well, for what it's worth at this point, I'd probably get the lappytop, sell my old MBP and then use THAT money to buy a cheaper camera. :D - Jon, the Chilled Beartato

Canon 5D MKII, no doubt. I have a 1.5 year old 15-inch MacBookPro which is still more than OK. Going from Canon 400D to a 5D MKII however would be a major upgrade. - Rutger Blom

Macbook I think. I have a 40D but REALLY want the 5D. Which do you think you could get your hands on first? - Andrew Smith

The 5D. The MacBookPro can wait. - Chris Nixon

5D, I have enough laptops as it is. - Amit Morson

The $2800 MBP becomes a lot more compelling when converted to 2080€. - Brad Kligerman

I'm a Nikon guy but the 5D MKII has me seriously considering a switch - Bryan Thatcher from twhirl

As I don't like Macs and into my photography the choice out of the two is simple. :-) But I've rather spend the money on say the Nikon D3 and if you gave me an extra grand or 2 then I'd go for the Nikon D3X. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes from twhirl

Without though, the Canon 5D MKII. First up, you don't want to trust another "first gen" Apple product. And with the unimpressive lineup yesterday, maybe the 15" laptops are coming out real soon now, with similar features, and all quirks ironed out - Colin Charles from twhirl

MAC!!! - Orli Yakuel

(Friendfeed needs a poll feature) - Jérôme Flipo

5D over the MAC Pro. - Robert Miller

MacBookPro - just bought myself a nice camera with a fracking big lens! - Joel Hammond-Turner

Canon! - Janet

Canon. I have a laptop and rarely use it - well not as a laptop. It sits on a desk as a permenant fixture. - Ian May

Canon 5D mk 2 :) - Joe Dawson

Camera, I never liked the 17". It's too heavy for a "portable" - Melissa dela Merced from twhirl

neither, a big ass HDTV :) - Terry O'Fee

17-inch macbookPro is way too big. so I would go for the camera. Problem is I would need to learn how to use it then... - Davide D'Incau

If you have good lenses to take advantage of the MKII (extra $3000 needed here), go for the camera! - Joao Pedro

I would buy a Apple 17-inch macbook of course.! I don't have an apple and I would really like one. I have a camera thats good enough for me. - Qbat

nor this neither that! i will send money to help people in Gaza or at least I'll send 1000 $. - خیزران kheyzaran

canon 5d mk ii based on the videos I've seen - i mean just look at these http://is.gd/cP6x - planetMitch

The Canon, surely. No use for a laptop that big. - Ryan Sholin

5D over here too - Simon Wicks

Macbook Pro 17! - Greg

The camera. Already have three computers but have no camera. - Martha

I am not pro enough to need the 5D, I am actually looking at a D60 or D90. But the 17 Macbook is something I can use :) - TheSleepyGeek

I'd buy the Nikon D700 - David Parmet from twhirl

neither - cash is still king - viki saigal

its the lens, not the body - spring for L glass - @jessewright

MacBookPro - Stewart Rogers

New MacBookPro 17". I would probably get more use out of it than the Canon. But my, oh my, ya'll, the Canon sure is sweet. - Matthew Freeman

I have the glass. I have the Mac, I'd get the 5DMKII - stretta from twhirl

5D - I don't need a macbook. I'm happy with my PC and laptop - they cover my my needs perfectly. - Roberto Bonini

MBP. - Michael Molinar

Donate it to @armano. - Jim Mitchem

given my current status .. I am happy with my Canon XTi so I would go for the MacBook Pro. - Kapil

5D, but that's cuz I've been saving up for one. A new MBP would def. be on the list of future purchases (current computer is 3 years old) - Michael

Canon 5d Mk II, far more useful than the new laptop. More fun. One encourages you to sit around, the other encourages you to go out :-) - Richard A.

MacBookPro, Canon sux. (OK, relax, just kidding. I'm a Nikon guy. I have no Canon lenses.) - Trevor Carpenter

Canon!! - Ivy /composmentis from twhirl

I would buy the Mac, get a cheaper camera with the money I have left, and edit and enhance my videos using my Mac. - Shevonne

I'd go the Mac route. I'm looking to buy one anyway and I've already got a camera. Might not be as fancy as the Canon do-dad, but I'll manage. - James Ferguson

Wow 202 comments! How did I miss this thread? :) - Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ

17 inch MCP - johnpiercy

The 17" MBP as my current 12" PB is on it's last legs and needs replacing - need rather than want for me - Sally Church

The Canon. I already have a 17" MacBook Pro. - Carmen - Happy 2010!

The Canon... even though I already have a 5D and actually need a new laptop - Shawn Duffy from twhirl

Macbookpro - Roger Kondrat

I'd say the MacBook... you can do more with it. - Dejim Juang

EOS 5D - Julien Guyard

Canon, since the MBP that I'd want would actually cost $5823. Not $3000. - Ben Hwang from twhirl

This would be much more enjoyable if there was some kind of poll widget along side comments. - Michael Leggett

The camera..I find apple laptops overpriced for what they offer. - Nick

Would be easier to see at a glance. - Richard A.

I'd by the largest HD display I could... - Clay Newton

Canon 5D MKII. huh.. no: a powerful Linux box - Thierry R. Andriamirado

The MacBookPro, I have a Canon 30d but I do not have a MacBook - Bob Gannon

I wouldn't want a 17'' monster of a MacBookPro and therefore would go for the Canon 5D MKII - Donald Townsend

Neither. Both are overpriced. If no other options; I'd go camera. - Wade Dorrell

5D, the 17-inch MacBook Pro is very big. Harder to find bags for it and its less portable. - seanb

bank it, put in matress, done need either of those things, we need smarter devices that tell us the likelyhood of use-longevitiy in them, "i'm a camera you bought last year, you used me 9 times, i collect dust, owner- please resist replacing me unless you really really really need to, and the data suggests you don't.." - Dan Rockwell from twhirl

Not enough to buy what I want with the Canon, and I wouldn't be caught dead spending $3000 on a laptop. What a waste! - Paul Puri

Neither. A $3000 laptop is not worth it just because of its branding. - Spencer

ohh.. I can't choose. I want both of them... But if i choose, first canon, second mac... İ have canon 40 d and 15'' mac book pro. And i don't like mac's new screen. It's like mirror... - devletsah

Spencer: as a recent PC to Mac switcher, it's more than brand. Much more. - Ryan

I'd buy a netbook for the other three members of my family and put the remaining $2000 toward bills or savings. :) - Steve Lowe

Agree with Aaron, love my 13" Macbook and really want the 5D MKII - Kyle

Definitely the Mac. - John Clifton

Is this thing still going? I can't remember if I replied to this yet, but I say it depends on what will benefit you the most. Robert, you are a photo-maniac. I know that you have a few cameras laying around the house, but I don't know how many Macs you have. You have to remember that a 17" laptop sounds great on paper, but I know that you do a lot of traveling as well, so it might now suite your means. Then again, I would never keep $3,000 dollars in my pocket ;) - Michael Forian

of course the mac - doesn´t matter what the second option is... - Dieter Schwarz

I would buy the Canon 5D MKII but being a Nikonian I would end up buying the MacBook Pro and feel no remorse :) - Carlos Lorenzo

MacBook Pro. I need a laptop really bad. - Nick Humphries

The camera. 17-inch laptops are fricking ridiculous. - Andru Edwards

camera and a box of junior mints - Morgan Haley

I'd definitely go for a MB Pro. My Rebel XTi and Panasonic GS180 video cam is doing me just fine. - emon hassan

Forget the Mac, keep your current camera, and buy better lenses. - Michael Krigsman

17 inch laptop is useless in term of mobility so I would go with the Canon - Hadar Weiss

A Sony a900. :) - Jeff Jones

Neither. I'd start with the Bonobo Pro Ubuntu Laptop for under $2000 and use the $1000 to max it out. http://system76.com/product... - Internet Strategist

Impressive amount of comments here, this has to be the highest ever now right? - Joe Dawson

I'm sorry, can you repeat the question: did you say a "camera", a "computer" or a "shark with laser beams"? - Micah Wittman

save the money for tougher times. as much as I'd like the Canon, it's going to be just an expensive toy for me. and my three year old Inspiron works just fine for the most things I do on it. - Franci Penov from twhirl

5Dm2 because I already have the new MBP 15" 2.8Ghz. Mostly b/c the cam is more revolutionary than the 17", even though the 17" battery life is enticing. - Thomas Bøhm

Wow, 250 comments - OMG ...FF is really growing ...YEAH !!! - Susan Beebe

Yeah, this week has produced several >100 comment threads in my feed. - xero

Not the 5D, but some body+the best lenses, that actually lasts longer. Laptops are out of date in months and often die within 18, cameras and lenses last a lot longer - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I would buy a Apple 17-inch MacBookPro, only cause I already have a SLR, so I dont need the Canon 5D MKII. - Colide81 (James)

I would not spend it, id rather invest 3000 dollars with 10 shares of google - Kyle Weller

then just buy lenses - you probably already have a computer that can do everything you need - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Exxon-Mobile. Oh wait, what was the question again? - Erik S

Neither- new hardware for the pending Win7 beta drop. :) - Randy Holloway from twhirl

both! - jortai

@Ryan I am a Mac user, have been for a while. It's just my opinion, but $2800 for a piece of hardware in which you can the same or better specs on a PC, is quite a bit of branding. - Spencer

Using the MacBook Pro 17 inch now (love it!)- and I am quite happy with my Canon Powershot G9, so I'll just take the cash and pay down some of my debt--thanks! - Kelly W.

Canon 5D MKII then buy the 15" MacBook Pro later. - John Wang

I would buy a new fast lens for my old 5D (around $1000) and save the rest. - Alexander Arsky

Nikon E90 *and* a 15" Macbook. :) I bend rules. - Daniel Miessler

Nikon E90 like Daniel :P - Molly, "sorry"

I already have the mac so I would take the Camera. - WilliamMuncrief

is someone tabulating these answers? - Mistletoe Glen

Canon 5d MKII, i'm not a mac person so that was easy. - Squid

I've been back and forth on this since the 17" was announced. I am very likely to upgrade to the 5DMKII this year. But I want a more powerful laptop to work on the huge files it creates. Chicken? Egg? Confused. - Jeremy Brooks

Canon 5D MKII for sure. MBP 15 is still chugging along after 2 years. And the 5D is still doing great after 1 year, but I would really like the new 5D. - Johnny Sewell

5D Mark II , without a doubt! - americanm

Caonon 5D all the way - John Uppendahl

Ask the IE8 team about speed and why they don't do what Chrome did: go with one box for both URL's and search. - Robert Scoble

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What order winners does IE offer to a user who could be using Firefox, Chrome, or Safari? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Ask them how they deal with all the negative talk that surrounds IE in general and the steps they are taking (if any) to rebuild their image. - Jay

when will they allow Grease Monkey scripts? - William Harryman

ha. was going to type, "ask him when are they gonna come out with a patch for the damn 0-day that's out there now" but it looks like it's scheduled for tomorrow: http://isc.sans.org/diary... - Karim

What plans does IE8 have to push forward microformats in the browser and make them useful to user.. e.g. Links to maps from hcard - Ben Hedrington

I wish I had seen this earlier. I'd love to know why they don't plan to support canvas. They didn't answer that question at Web 2.0 Expo NYC. - Matthew Gifford

@Robert Scoble IE6 used to have only one box for both URLs and search. then Firefox came out and everybody started asking for a dedicated search box in IE. :-) - Franci Penov from twhirl

Yeah but the IE6 search didn't default to google or include the cool ? operator linked to ctrl-K. - Daniel J. Pritchett

they should have senduit.com really. I like makeuseof.com but i find they often miss out the best apps from these lists of theirs - Zee.

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Nice summary; quick and easy review to jump start our large file needs. - Kenley Neufeld

My favorite is Drop.io - Ian May

Keep the suggestions coming. Twitter + good file sharing solution = Pownce replacement - Justin Luey

drop.io ftw - @baratunde

Just tried drop.io, awesome features and speed, too bad its only 100mb - Justin Luey

plug for http://www.transferbigfiles.com - site my company developed a couple years ago. - Jonas, Leper of FF

if we're doing plugs, how about SkyDrive? get 25GB for free and can share files with public or friends only. and no, public files do not require Live ID to be downloaded - Franci Penov from twhirl

its been a while since i used this.. - Tate DA FF MVP

I use filedropper simply because I snagged a free 250gb account for life a while back. Had to cancel the offer rather quickly if I recall correctly - BCK

So far, I've managed to avoid .docx. Another reason I dislike MS products though. Non-standard to everyone else. We don't all use, or want to use, expensive bloatware like MS Office. - Ian May

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That should be quite useful. I also love the 'Save as PDF / XPS' Extension. Absolutely essential when doing submissions at University http://www.microsoft.com/downloa... - Bhavishya Kanjhan

@Ian So proprietary formats like PDF bother you too, right? - John Denver

@John I don´t know about that, but he said "non-standard" bothered him. PDF is pretty much standard now for what it´s for. And I agree about the bloatware. - Thomas Bøhm

PDF is an open standard that was officially published on July 1, 2008 by the ISO as ISO 32000-1:2008. Anyone can write PDF apps, and Adobe licenses the patents royalty free. There are numerous open-source readers, such as Evince. - Thomas Stromberg

Just to clarify - OpenXML (the format of the .docs files) is also an ISO standard - ISO\IEC 29500:2008. Though, technically, the Office 2007 file format is based on ECMA 376 standard and the ISO 29500 does have some minor differences. There are numerous applications that understand the Ecma 376 format and can read or create files in it, including Zoho Writer, OpenOffice, iPhone, iWork and Corel WordPerfect. - Franci Penov from twhirl

i agree. although i use it, i get the impression that i'm missing it. perhaps others can fill some of us in on the benefits of using twittert? - Cee Bee

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i feel like i am missing it too. i like friendfeed much much better. - Wesley Barrow

It's basically SMS for the internet. And I don't use SMS all that much, so... - Fa La La La Lindsay

I keep trying to splutter out explanations about how different Twitter and FriendFeed are but it's hurting my head. I'm going to regroup and try again later. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Twitter is a cult, as is FriendFeed. Twitter works because it is networking-chaos. FriendFeed is sharing-communication chaos. No set platform on either, just regurgitate your thoughts and findings to others. Both platforms are great for either in their own way. - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

I'm sorry, too long. Summary? - Phil Wolff from Alert Thingy

Twitter is Myspace for the tech set. It does everything poorly, it constantly goes down, millions of better alternatives sprung up in it's wake, and the main reason people join is because everyone is already there. - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

I like Twitter for an RSS feed on my iPhone. Easy to get news quick. FriendFeed is where conversation happens. - Brian Bufalo

My SO uses it religiously and I think what tehKenny mentioned about it being a "Myspace" I think is true for him. He was on it long ago, uses it still b/c of all the friends he has on it but is being stingy about using other programs. I'm not on it but FF is enough for me right now. - Nurse Katie

I like because I send a short message to every on Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook instantly. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Lol, to me Twitter is more like IRC - everybody talks and nobody listens, except in Twitter is easier to filter who you listen to... :-) Still, I like it. There's something addictive in being able to imagine that people are actually listening to you. - Franci Penov from twhirl

It is an IM service but worlwide and u don't need contacts to use it. Why knock it. If u don't like it thats fine. - Richard from twhirl

@Franci Penov - Interesting that you mention IRC. I've always thought of Twitter as being complementary to it, although I'm known for taking the "pen full of Silly String" approach to things (i.e. starting a conversation somewhere, and eventually pulling it into another place)... - Tyson Key

Yeah, I kind of see it as IRC all in one channel, with a permanent searchable web-based archive (in theory), and with very fine grained controls as to whose posts you get to see. Or maybe Usenet all in one group, again with the fine-tuning as to whose posts you get to see. - Victor Ganata

Twitter is a megaphone and an echo chamber. It's for propaganda and promotion IMO. It's rock concert conversation. Once in a while you like and understand what's being shouted at you and sometimes you shout back and forth for a brief time but then it's back to watching the show. - AJ Kohn

Twitter during the Olympics was interesting, but I have hardly used it since - Kevin L

Of course, it's the second coming of Jesus, a floor wax, a dessert topping, a hybrid Honda Civic AND a birdsong CD all in one! ;) - Tyson Key

Never underestimate the dullness of the general public. - Sean McBride

I agree. I play with it occasionally but really don't get all the hype. - Anthony Citrano

Are you serious? You're disappointed because the reality didn't match the hype? - Victor Ganata

Twitter works on the iPhone in so many ways. FF's webapp style is so behind the times. The moment FF becomes an iPhone app, I will live here. - Ernie Oporto

tl;dr - Ken Sheppardson

If there weren't so many people using it and it weren't so open it would make absolutely no sense. - Jesse Stay

is this the right link? the page talks about SkyFire, not T-Mobile - Franci Penov from twhirl

I see that the T-mobile site lists Total Internet for $20/month more than what I currently pay. Have not seen announcement (must make sure I check bill inserts). - Dennis E. Hamilton from twhirl

In this economy, I just can not understand why a company would do this, but I guess they have locked you into a 2 year contract. So it is not like you can just cancel your plan and go with the guy across the street who is offering the same data plan at a lower price. - Wizetux

The comments alone are worth reading this... check'em out. - Carlos Granier-Phelps from Bookmarklet

it'd be even better if the DTN was actually connected to the Internet. but even as it is, this is huge. - Franci Penov from twhirl

"Scientists at the SETI Institute are now predicting that our first contact with extraterrestrial life will be in the form of spam. 'Somewhere between 85 and 95 percent of human communications on the Internet are spam,' said Dr. Frank Drake, Director of the Institute's Carl Sagan Center. 'It may be that the same holds true in intergalactic communications.'" - Karim

I hear you there! - Robert Scoble

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I'll do what needs to be done; and I'll do it better this time. But Red Herring was only 8 years ago. There has to be a better, more sustainable way to profitably publish quality journalism. Readers have to pay for content; and advertisers have to pay to reach those communities. - Jason Pontin

If readers pay for content, why should they get advertisements? - Franci Penov from twhirl

I'd proffer to extend this to tech management in general. Slow change... - Alan Edgett

Well, there could be a sliding scale - if readers paid enough, they could receive no ads at all. The only problem: those readers might be the ones whom advertisers most wanted to reach. In seriousness, I think the cost of journalism must be borne by both readers and advertisers. - Jason Pontin

"you have employees out there who are attacking bloggers without consequences" - link(s)? - Dave Hodson

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Dave: I'm not linking to them. That just gives them more attention, which is a reward for their behavior. - Robert Scoble

Dave: and if you can't figure out who I'm talking about you need to read a few more tech bloggers. :-) - Robert Scoble

like the post (...you're kinda feisty today) - stanleyyork

scoble - I have a few ideas. thinking i can ping a few internal people if it will help - Dave Hodson

Would you like some cheese with your whine? ;) Seriously, I read Dare's post before Michael posted and I don't see what the big deal is. If Techcrunch wouldn't have blown it out of proportion nobody would have noticed. What would Monday be like without a little MSFT drama though... right? - Eric Schoonover

Robert, interesting post, but it's like you think that the conference will now be canceled because you aren't going. I love your work and you do a great job, but come back down to earth. - Eric Newman

Dare's got a disclaimer on his blog: "The opinions expressed herein are my own personal opinions and do not represent my employer's view in any way." So why Arrington thinks Microsoft is out to get him, I don't know. Arrington wrote, in the first sentence of today's article, that Dare was "a Microsoft employee and the son of a former President of Nigeria." So Dare is also officially speaking for Nigeria as well? Why you suck up to Arrington after he told you to go to hell yesterday is beyond me. - Karim

The bit Arrington deleted from his own rant about Microsoft using "their own employees as attack dogs to silent [sic] dissent" is borderline paranoid delusional. He'll be seeing black helicopters with the Windows logo next. As for the FuckedCompany joke: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007... - Karim

Still, you gotta admit, "OH NOES, TEH NIGERIANS ARE TRYING TO SILENCE ME" is pretty good linkbait. - Karim

Dear Robert, If you have a problem with particular Microsoft employee that might have said something personal about particular blogger, that's fine. Take it with that guy; do not try to slander close to 100K person by insinuating that there are company-approved attacks on bloggers. Unless you have proof, this sounds too much like FUD or link-baiting. Do you think your reaction would be... more... - Franci Penov

for those who don't know the whole story, a good summary is here: http://www.winextra.com/2008... it's such a stupid argument and Arrington overreacts so badly that you *almost* want to think he's melting down in order to drive traffic to his site. i'm not sure he's that smart though. - Karim

Karim, glad I'm not the only one who picked up on Arrington's sleazy reference to Dare's Nigerian heritage in his lurid blog post. Let his Twitter diatribe, recounted by Steve Hodson, and Scoble's post put the final nail in the coffin of the "Are Bloggers Journalists?" debate. They are not. - Sprague D

Lets get real here for a minute if anyone was doing any attacking here - especially last night on Twitter it was Michael and the *complete* conversation (if you can call it that with Michael calling a blogger a jerk and a moron) can be seen here http://www.winextra.com/2008... .. So robert I'd maybe check and see who said what as you are prone to tell other what to do - Steven Hodson

Robert I cannot believe you got involved with this. Seriously, this is a clear sign that Arrington is degenerating into a childish brat. Dare had something to say and Michael couldn't maintain professionalism even though that was what he was demanding of Dare. He's an immature hypocrite and while associating yourself with this might have been good for your short term pageviews in the long run you lose respect, then no one cares what you have to say anymore. - Aaron Krug

Robert, this is unbelievably passive-aggressive. No evidence, no love, no links. Really disappointing. Either be clear or maybe better to refrain? - Dennis E. Hamilton from twhirl

actually, Steven, for the *complete* conversation you should include the part on FF where Scoble was sticking up for Arrington, and Arrington -- lashing out at his *supporter* -- told Scoble to go to hell too. :-) Just, you know, to make it clear who was losing their shit. lol - Karim

Good summary of the night, Steven. - Jordan Hofker

@Karim, you got a link to that? - Aaron Krug

@Karim ya I'd like that link if possible as well to add to the post - Steven Hodson

I'll buy the part about spending more time with the family. The rest will happen (and continue to happen) whether it's Microsoft or anyone else, especially as the lines continue to get thinner between original style journalists and bloggers. Family should be No. 1! As far as the Twitter exchange, in the larger picture, I doubt anyone really cares. If they do, they'll soon forget. Kudos to Steven for the refresh .... for those of us that were doing quality family time this weekend :) - Charlie Anzman

It also might be a good idea for ALL tech show organizers to reevaluate entry pricing during this period. Passed on two last week. No regrets at all. - Charlie Anzman

The impression I get about this bust up between mike and dare is that it's localalized. Msft havebeen pretty food on the blogging front lately. And Robert, the credit crunch bad got you into a negative mood. Can't say I blame you either. - Roberto Bonini

just look at http://twitter.com/Scobleizer and http://twitter.com/TechCrunch. Robert tweets a couple of times about how Dare *is* representing Microsoft, "no matter what the disclaimer." (there are some FF comments associated with those tweets.) Then Arrington tweets to Scoble, "Yeah you can go to hell too." Scoble replies it's funny because he was taking Arrington's side, and follows up with "I like Mike even when he attacks me." ??? - Karim

Steven, your story also might ask why Arrington found it necessary to tell everyone that Dare is the son of the ex-President of Nigeria, and include the nasty comments on Dare's blog from the sock puppets "Lou Rawls" and "yogorilla" as example of the quality Arrington's supporters bring to the debate. - Karim

see also the techcrunch link above where Arrington himself joked that TC had acquired FuckedCompany.com. Apparently when he's making the joke it's funny. When Dare makes the joke it's OH NOES MICROSOFT IS TRYING TO SILENCE BLOGGERS!!! - Karim

I admit I don't have Scoble's cojones to write a blog like this: "I decided to cancel my FastCompany subscription, as some of their employees are supporting political attacks on bloggers." - Franci Penov

how about "I decided to cancel my vacation to Nigeria, as some of the sons of their ex-presidents 'dare' to attack Arrington without consequence." [shakes fist in direction of Nigeria] - Karim

I work for Microsoft. And I'm happy to say that Mike Arrington is wrong here. Dead wrong. That's my opinion as an individual and I'm allowed to have it. And I'd bet anything that deep down, Scoble knows I'm right. Anyway, happy time off from the PDC Robert. If the news is interesting, you'll pick it up elsewhere. - Randy Holloway from twhirl

Randy: you're wrong. Microsoft's blogging policy is "don't be stupid." It's stupid to argue with the press. It's even stupider to try to claim "I'm not representing Microsoft" when online. Especially when you start a post with "I work for Microsoft." - Robert Scoble

Heh, you didn't have to say who it was, the comments are more than enough to find the attacks. - xero

Robert, respectfully, "It's stupid to argue with the press?" first, Arrington is *press?* The guy who says "fuck you" to Wired (http://twitter.com/TechCru...), "you're a moron" to people who politely disagree with him (http://twitter.com/TechCru...) and "go to hell" to his friends (http://twitter.com/TechCru...), this is the respected *press* we're talking about? - Karim

second, are you saying, on their *personal* blogs, Microsoft employees can't disagree with or challenge anything in the press, just because "it's stupid to argue with the press?" that just seems to make no sense, so I hope I'm misunderstanding you. - Karim

Robert- it isn't stupid to have an opinion. What is stupid is for people like me to fear Mike Arrington. I have no fear of Arrington and I won't act like I do. As for Microsoft, you and I both know that the company has a professional relationship with Mike and he has full access to PR teams and executives. Why doesn't he call one of them if he's so unhappy? - Randy Holloway from twhirl

Wow. Is it possible to disagree with all three parties in this dispute now? Amazing! - Michael Hart

Karim: I didn't say it was "respected press," just press. TechCrunch is reprinted by Washington Post online. - Robert Scoble

Does getting your words in the Washington Post make you "the press?" Because if so then hand me my press card. I don't want to dredge up the whole blog v. journalism thing for the millionth time, but the main point of the "fuck you" Wired article was that it seemed irresponsible for the Post to reprint blog posts of someone who invests in the companies he writes about. That sort of thing costs *real* journalists their jobs. - Karim

Any response to the second point? It just seems like you're saying Microsoft employees, in their personal blogs, shouldn't dispute anything anywhere in the press. I hope I have misunderstood you. - Karim

Karim: the press includes a wide range of people from those who do really important reporting to columnists who bloviate and tell you what they think. Yeah, you're right, I went too far with my point. Read my latest post where I talk about Frank Shaw's post (he's Microsoft's PR guy). - Robert Scoble

Funny how the article glazes over the point where Joe's buyer agent pushed him to no financial contingency and about $30K more than he could ever hope to be able to pay with the promise of the rising housing costs and puts all the blame squarely on the lender. I wonder how many Joes did the author promised/threatened with ever-increasing housing prices: "Buy now or you would be locked forever! And if you strech yourself a bit more you can afford, it'll be ok when the house equity raises" (Or maybe she didn't. There's hope there's at least one buyer's agent that would solve the conflict of interest between her getting her money now and the buyer being able to afford the house in the buyer's interest. Yeah, right...) - Franci Penov

Chromium snapshots: http://build.chromium.org/buildbo... (the license is BSD) - Ionut

I also debunked this in my "common Chrome conspiracy theories" post at http://bit.ly/3CLLwe too. - Matt Cutts

Thanks for setting us straight Matt! - Anne Haynes

When we are discussing legal documents, it's the verbiage that matters, not the intent. As long as clauses 11.1 and 11.2 are in the EULA, they have full effect. - Franci Penov

that is how Mozilla reads it and why they are not scared - Fred Grott

I have a feeling they actually launched Chrome too early and simply did not have time for such a stupid legal thing. Unfortunately for a company attracting attention like Google does it is something to avoid. - Svetlana Gladkova

why all the google bashing? Chrome SHOULD be a more secure browser than FF when Google is finished.. isn't it still in beta? hello? - paisley from twhirl

Yes Matt, but then why the legal language that says otherwise in the TOC? What Google say and what they did are two different things here and the law upholds what is written. - Sally Church

Most times I'm really glad I'm not in Matt's shoes. Other times i think it would be pretty neat to have 'a view' at the Plex :) - Charlie Anzman

Sally Church, that's why I'm glad we changed the TOS/EULA. - Matt Cutts

"some information such as IP, browser type, regional and language settings" - one assumes they already know the browser type :-) - Alex Gawley

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I couldn't figure out how they show the suggested sites when you visit https://ieonline.microsoft.com/ . They don't use cookies or user accounts. - Ionut

There are certain scenarios that require user data to be sent in order to make the user experience better, as suggested by http://tinyurl.com/3yue6c. Which if you read closely, discloses that Google collects exactly the same information if the user installs Google Toolbar and opts in particular features. - Franci Penov

Hi, Franci Penov! Remind me what part of MSFT you work at? I guess I thought that Google's disclosure at http://bit.ly/2Jiwrg with the big red capital letters and disclosure in the first sentence was more clear than MSFT's disclosure, which was buried deep in the IE8 privacy page. - Matt Cutts

Doesn't it say that it is the search provider which collects this data, and not the browser? That means it's more equivalent to the third bullet on this page. http://www.google.com/intl... - David Owens

Ah ok, wrong bit... - David Owens

9 processes are loaded with the browser in Windows (No doubt toolbar type tracking processes). You can turn them off but it's not as easy or obvious as recent efforts by Google and Yahoo to opt out. - Charlie Anzman

hmm.. well you can find out this much information about visitors to your websites and blogs too. But if MSFT finds out this info, they're blasted? - Imran Hussain from feedalizr

Matt, I work on Windows Live Toolbar. :-) I have not seen the big red letter warning you point to, as I have not installed Google Toolbar (exactly because of the product I work on). But you could've just mention that you have a problem with the disclosure clarity. I'll make sure your feedback gets to the IE guys. - Franci Penov

http://tinyurl.com/6q9vou - Chrome Privacy Policy. Not as obvious as Google Toolbar big red letter warning; I personally had to dig a little bit around before I found it. I'd say about as clear and discoverable as IE8 Privacy policy you complained about. :-) - Franci Penov

Franci Penov, thanks for passing on my feedback to the IE guys. I don't think Google Chrome has anything to hide (e.g. it doesn't send your browsing info to Google as you surf the web). In fact, I just did a separate write-up on the communication between Chrome and Google. Read it at http://bit.ly/2jnBYZ - Matt Cutts

Imran, I think it's fair to point out that IE8 gives users virtually no disclosure that their wholesale surfing data (including queries done on other search engines) will be sent to Microsoft if they turn on this innocent-sounding feature. - Matt Cutts

@mattcutts the Google reputation manager? :) - Mark Edmondson

I don't think it's winwin. While GOOG might officially still support FF, people most likely to jump ship and start adopting Chrome are the same people that already jumped ship from IE to FF. While most digeratti and A-list bloggers will continue to publicly argue that 'IE must be toppled', the reality will be a battle for their attention between Chrome and FF (which Chrome will probably... more... - Franci Penov

That would only happen if Chrome is dubstaintially better than FF3. And don't forget all those users who rely slot on the addons to FF to make it even better. I'm still trying to figure out what Chrome defining feature is. FF3 has Addons. - Roberto Bonini

Users win too. Real competition. The OS will become irrelevant even sooner. Innovation will accelerate. Plug-ins and Add-ons will be standardized. I don't know if IE will want to follow Chrome and FF. - scott anderson

Good browsers are good for google. I don't think they want just one. They don't want anything bad to happen to firefox and they damn sure want everyone who downloads firefox to have an instant link to http://www.google.com . It's worth the $57 million to google and firefox would be in a tough spot without it (google contributes 85% of their revenue). - scott willeke

It's win/win like a prostitute and john are win/win. It's win/win until the john moves to another prostitute, then it's lose/win. - Joshua Allen

On the basic premise that more competition is good for the end users, users will win. However, that's absolutely orthogonal to whether Firefox will benefit or hurt from Google Chrome. If Chrome is better than FF, FF will hurt. If Chrome is about the same quality, FF will hurt too, as Google has a lot more PR power. If Chrome is worse than FF (which I doubt), Google still has quite good... more... - Franci Penov

Let me know if you have questions/concerns and I'll try to incorporate them into upcoming posts.. - Matt Cutts

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Biggest question is why? Why didn't Google get actively involved with Mozilla? - Deepak Singh

I think it's the industry's best chance to topple IE. - l0ckergn0me

I'd love to take it for a spin. Is there an ETA for the public release yet? - Ray Metzen

I read the comic book twice, and despite my Safari leanings, I think this one has legs. Question is... if iPhone trumps Android, does Google port it to the iPhone? - Louis Gray

That's not the point. I use Firefox, and want to know why Google, which has a good relationship with Mozilla (apparently) chose to go the Not Invented Here route, when there was an established open source platform to work with. The only thing I can think of is that this is to get a good mobile browser since webkit has proven itself on the iphone. - Deepak Singh

Please let Google release it as an app for the iPhone with Gears, Flash and Java enabled. And please let Apple let them do that! - Tony Ruscoe

I'm still curious about the firefox usage aggrigation project mentioned in the first half of the year, had a techcrunch article but has gone strangely quiet ever since. Some are claiming it'll cover only interface stats and others actual traffic data. - alphaxion

first release will be sep-02. it now seems clear that APIs like safebrowsing [http://bit.ly/3QvWL7] and gears [http://bit.ly/4amra2] were all part of a longer-term strategy to change the game for their app set. - MikeAmundsen

Deepak, the most logical explanation seems to be that Google wants to take Chrome in a direction where Mozilla doesn't want to go. What exactly that is remains to be seen when the thing is released... - Ray Metzen

Deepak, it may be that the Webkit codebase is simply easier to work with. I haven't looked at either in years, but Firefox used to be quite a beast. - Paul Buchheit

Sounds great to have new players on the browser field. But how will the support from Google to Mozilla be affected after Chrome? - Christian Van Der Henst

Ray/Paul, fair enough. I am not saying that the choice is wrong, but I would like to know why. The mobile future is my guess, but it's only a guess. - Deepak Singh

omg been waiting for this forever! - Kyle Weller

Deepak, that's probably a good guess. Another reason might be that Google apps are more deeply integrated than Mozilla would be comfortable with. - Ray Metzen

On the code question: http://news.ycombinator.com/item... - Paul Buchheit

Paul .. thanks. That's an interesting thread in itself - Deepak Singh

Wow is IE about to go the way of Netscape? :-) - Jim Stewart

Predicted this 3 years ago - http://schlerplotti.typepad.com/squirre... - Mike Reynolds

I think everybody has the same question. Why Chrome when we have Firefox? Why can't Google extend support to FF? - Rohit Srivastwa

That's bad news for Firefox. The early Google Chrome adopters are likely to be the same people that jumped on early FF as well. But what's more important, I think the idea behind Chrome is to build and position it as an application platform, which FF failed to achieve. - Franci Penov

Looks like a webcast starts at 11 a.m. Pacific: http://bit.ly/3f32hG - Matt Cutts

Looking forward to it. My designer isn't happy though, yet another browser to test not that IE is going away anytime soon. - Angsuman Chakraborty

Paul, thanks for the link, that's illuminating. - Jason Wehmhoener

Frankly I am concerned that Google is becoming more like Microsoft, leaving not much room for small companies to innovate and make a living. - Angsuman Chakraborty

How about "PC Makers Trying To Shove Down Your Throat Shoddy Quality Bloatware And Making Your Computer Twice As Slow" instead? Of course, that title wouldn't have nearly as many page views from rabid Vista-bashing fanatics... - Franci Penov

You are turning into a honeypot for attracting negative gestures. It is interesting to note that this post does not answer the question why OWF is needed and what's wrong with IETF. Apparently, that's not important; the important part is you've dared to criticise one of Gilmor's darlings. - Franci Penov from twhirl

Can't work with them when their method of getting me on the phone is to shut off my service, without any warning. I told them to close the account. I'm no longer a Comcast customer. I'm sure they'll send me another bill, adding insult to injury. - Dave Winer

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but dude, i have it on good authority that @comcastcares !! - @baratunde from twhirl

They have internal thresholds for this. Of course they don't TELL YOU what those are to avoid being shut off, but they do exist. - Todd Dominey

I wonder what it is they care about so much. - Dave Winer

It's just like the iPhone battery life. It lasts forever if you don't use it. Stop downloading large, um, media files, and Comcast will leave you alone. Didn't ya know that the Web is only for HTML files? :-) - Robert Scoble

A more rational way to do it would be to have a set limit, and a status page you could monitor (even an RSS feed) and when you're getting close to your monthly limit, you could hold off a bit. Or in my case I could have switched over to AT&T since I had redundant service. Whatever. This is a company with DNA for soaking customers and keeping them at a distance. And if they let us in on the limits, they couldn't market their service as unlimited. - Dave Winer

When are we gonna get an "open source" isp w/out the corporate buggery, I've already lost usenet because of some backdoor lawyering by an AC - Toasterman

Sooo what's plan "B"? - Anthony Farrior

Toasterman, wait until our bills go up when they pass on the "contributions" that Cuomo is demanding for the "fund" to "combat child pornography." I'm depressed that I voted for his sorry famewhoring self. - Cyndy

Anthony, I have plenty of bandwidth -- I had a backup connection with AT&T and if that fails, I have a new EVDO modem that's being delivered by FEDEX before 3PM today (knock wood). - Dave Winer

Have you considered upgrading to a Comcast business account. I think you get a better modem (they said it has 'priority over other accounts' whatever that means) and a static IP. I also don't think it has the caps on it, but am not sure. - Andrew Leyden

Rational is not business friendly. Marketing it as unlimited is the great equalizer and makes everybody pay the same fee. Giving people an actual limit and way to mesaure their current usage against that limit will make people ask for tiered (less-expensive) plans. - Franci Penov

Could always spend the couple extra bucks and upgrade to Comcast Business. They don't mess with you then - Jeremy D. Pavleck

Comcast is really cracking down on the high bandwidth users... glad that i'm not on Comcast! - Les Zaldor

I'll ask hubby to do some insider research. He's a "low man on the totem pole" with Comcast, but issues like this always make me curious about his take on things. Of course, if we didn't have the employee discount and service was shut off without warning I'd switch in a heartbeat. - Sally: in Florida

I wouldn't bother with a Comcast business account, if they can't be bothered to communicate with the customer in a reasonable manner. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

dave is there a berkeley meraki network? take back the airwaves - Edward Vielmetti

I seem to remember an article in the AP stating something about Time Warner and Comcast tiering their customers based on bandwidth usage and even throttling their high-end users. I'll dig around for it. - Steven Perez

No, actually, it's easy for a compnay to be "personal", as in handling these things better and from a customer perspective. In this case, they could send email, or even a letter, and give you reasonable time to decide on which upgraded plan you want. With email it could even be a link to the right place on your website. Also, they can easily put in network policies that throttle heavy users during more loaded times on the network, even doing this dynamicallly. Lots of ways to do better. - Darius Dunlap

Dave: How much daily bandwidth do you think you were using? I just let comacast back into my life (with much trepidation) because i was too far from the co to get decent dsl speeds. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Interestingly, the tool page now claims that Apple changed their JSON data to block people that consume it. However, when I click on teh actual JSON link (http://www.apple.com/retail...) it looks like the data is just fine. Hm, maybe they are detecting and blocking the feed for http://topmuffin.com only. - Franci Penov

Several people have Facebook listed as a service on their FriendFeed profiles. I was hoping I could do the same. - Franci Penov

It's possible it happens when you add the FriendFeed app on the Facebook side. I haven't confirmed it myself though. - Gus Perez

Thanks Guz. That's what I thought as well. but I have the FriendFeed app on facebook, yet I can't see Facebook listed on my account. Oh well, not that important... - Franci Penov

Dare: I'm writing about PodTech here: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Robert Scoble

Dare: so, why did Microsoft miss its numbers today? http://www.cnbc.com/id... Does that reflect at all on your business skills? - Robert Scoble

Robert, I think Microsoft earnings missed the expectations of the street analists. If I understand correctly, what we announced was in line with our previous guidance. - Franci Penov

Robert, I believe there's a pretty decent analysis of how Microsoft missed the street's expectations at http://www.cnbc.com/id... . As for reflection on business skills, my comment is about how A-listers like you like to give "advice" to companies about how to run their business when it is clear that simple evaluations like "hmmmm, is it smart to bet on a content based startup in... more... - Dare Obasanjo

Tell that to Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern. BTW PodTech never listened to my advice, either. My group was consistently one that brought in more revenues than we spent. - Robert Scoble

I know, everyone's a critic. Probably shouldn't have singled you out. At least things worked out for you with the Fast Company gig. :) - Dare Obasanjo

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