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if unclear: RSSCloud will help readers get your blog posts right away, just like RSS lets them get your posts at all.
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How ? Like many others, I use GReader. How will it help me ?
- Andy C
GReader, if and when it supports RSSCloud, will deliver blog posts to subscribers immediately after they are published if they are published through RSSCloud.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
does that make sense? right now you subscribe to a blog's feed in GReader and GReader checks the RSS feed like once every 30 mins. Depending on the feed, sometimes it only checks once a week if you're the only person subbed to it. With RSSCloud, GReader could act like an Instant Messaging client for you and be told, thus telling you, the moment a new post is available.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Right -- Google Reader would be instant, like Twitter and FriendFeed are.
- Dave Winer
OK - but I thought Google/Feedburner were firmly behind PubSubHubbub that isn't fully rolled out yet either. Are these protocols complimentary or competing ?
- Andy C
+1 Andy C agree its getting confusing
- Kim Landwehr
Ultimately they'll have to decide whether they want to give features to their users. I supported Atom in River2 in less than a day. It won't take them much longer to support rssCloud.
- Dave Winer
makes me think that Google owning both the dominant feed publishing service and the dominant feed reading service probably isn't very good for the feed ecosystem.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, this gives them the opportunity to prove that it's not a problem.
- Dave Winer
:)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Winer makes a good point. Google should support rssCloud so the market decides
- Steve Gillmor
The market will decide regardless. Google will be making a mistake by not supporting it.
- Jesse Stay
exactly Jesse
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve - seriously - when has Google done anything serious beyond its obsession with search based ad placement?
- Dennis Howlett
supporting Pubsubhubbub was a good start, rssCloud a good next step
- Steve Gillmor
@dahowlett Google does a lot of serious stuff: gmail, google apps for domains (incl enterprise search appliances), deeply serious stuff around power usages/management for their own datacenters (and even more serious BigTable & the other underlying technologies within those datacenters), Google Earth & Maps (incl the massive effort to get Streetview data), Google Books & the scanning...
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- Shannon Clark
Rss Cloud discussion. Interesting stuff...
- kevin fitts
Glad to see you pushing Dave - Congrats on getting Matt/Wordpress onboard.
- PXLated
I don't understand: why RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub? You can talk about "choice" and push Google to support RSSCloud, but if there's no real difference between the two, the market can't differentiate and there isn't going to be a real choice. Like right now, I'm asking why didn't Dave Winer and Automattic get on board with Pubsubhubbub? What's the material benefit for pushing RSSCloud instead?
- Mark Trapp
Fine. It's the other way around. When they decided to implement realtime feeds, why did they invent something new? RSS already provided for it. Since 2001. So bring this argument to them. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
BTW, to be clear, I don't have any issue with the Google guys who did Pubsubhubub, just with arguments like this that get their chronology backwards.
- Dave Winer
You didn't really answer the question, Dave. Is there a material difference between Pubsubhubbub and RSSCloud such that RSSCloud is better? Why would I choose RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub, or vice versa? All I know right now is that there's one standard that's supported by Google, and one that's supported by you and Automattic. Why shouldn't I go with Google's version? It reads like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I stated a few reasons as well here: http://staynalive.com/article... - but frankly, Dave was first. Google's a bigCo. Dave's isn't tied to a bigCo. I think his is more appealing because of that. I'll support both though until I see wider adoption.
- Jesse Stay
Guys, we plan to integrate RSS Cloud to Lazyfeed very soon. We've just announced it on our blog: http://blog.lazyfeed.com/2009... Hope people will like it :)
- Ethan Gahng
Jesse: Dave's version might've been first, but the one that seems to have gotten wide adoption first was Google's. So when that happened, why fight it? I'm assuming there's a good reason why RSSCloud is better: being technically first doesn't seem like a good enough reason. I do see the part about 24 hour expiry: I'd have to think about that some more. Seems like something easily added to PubSubHubbub, though: and doesn't seem like enough to keep two competing specs alive.
- Mark Trapp
rssCloud is a done deal. Mark, you should take your own advice and stop fighting.
- Dave Winer
What happened to the Hide command in FriendFeed? This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.
- Dave Winer
All I'm asking is for some information on why there are two seemingly competing specs and which spec one should one adopt, Dave. If you can't deign yourself to provide that information, by all means ignore or block me: perhaps someone besides you who gets the difference between the two can fill in the rest of us mere mortals on what the concrete differences between the two specs are.
- Mark Trapp
@Jesse: This is why - 'This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.'
- Andy C
Andy, I agree with him - this is a dumb argument.
- Jesse Stay
It's not a dumb argument, but one that should be rendered moot by Google supporting rssCloud
- Steve Gillmor
Dave, it's right next to Comment, Like, and Share... Hide is the one on the right... no your other right
- Chris Heath
Does this mean I won't need Sudar's Post to FriendFeed plugin for WordPress?
- Skyler Call
http://www.youtube.com/watch... I found this helpful as a primer in understanding RSS.
- kevin fitts
Anyone remembers VHS vs. Betamax? Nowadays willy whacking is sooo last century, isn't it?
- Sebastian
wasn't vhx vs betamax settled by the adult film industry?
- Chris Heath
Prolly many adult entertainment services have implemented PuSH spreading near real time smut moments before supporting rssCloud. Why miss out on any opportunity?
- Sebastian
Regarding Jesse's argument that "Dave was first" is sufficient justification for preferring RSSCloud, it was dead for more than five years and implemented by no one. When he chose to take it out of mothballs, PSHB was implemented by Google and others. His choice to revive RSSCloud has splintered pub-sub support into two efforts and a lot of programmers will now be asked to support both. I'm not clear on the benefit either.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Eventually it boils down to wether you reader app implemented enough real-time "clients". An easy option for this is to use Superfeedr, since we have implemented MANY of them... and we push forward the content to your reader.
- Julien
Holy TechCrunch Batman! Pow! Have Batman and the Boy Wonder come to blows?! Will TC50 be saved?! Don't miss the next exciting episode!
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WSJ publisher calls Google ‘digital vampire’ - http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...
Wade Dorrell, AJ Kohn, Amira and 21 other people liked this
"The gloves are coming off in the intensifying battle between newspaper publishers and Google. In a keynote speech at the annual PricewaterhouseCoopers Entertainment and Media Outlook event Tuesday, Dow Jones Chief Executive Les Hinton raised the rhetoric a notch, calling the Internet search giant a vampire “sucking the blood” out of the newspaper business, and promised that new developments would level the playing field."
- Brad Williamson
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Join us in the "Media News And Analysis" group as we examine the world's main source of information and entertainment, The Media ;-) http://friendfeed.com/media-n...
- Brad Williamson
Why does it sound like these "new developments" will be more meaningless lawsuits?
- Derek Coward
That's what I'm screamin', Derek. I can't imagine what that old man has up his sleeve? What's he gonna do... start bringing on guest content contributors, like Wilfred Brimley and Larry King? THAT should shake up the game...
- Brad Williamson
One thing is for certain: Les Hinton, who was completely blindsided by the Internet, is not going to be able to innovate his way out of his obsolescence. He might try to legislate his way out of the mess.
- Sean McBride
this way of thinking will be the dead of the newspapers.
- Atif UNALDI
Atif -- of course this way of "thinking" isn't thinking at all -- it's desperate flailing around, the sure sign of a loser and of a losing position.
- Sean McBride
more exactly, it may be The Internet that is taking sales from newspapers ...well guess what. it's the free competition .. stop having 75% of your pages ads, stop printing official no-news dumb propaganda, start printing what people want - real info, independent truth .... not stars, crime, other nonsense ... the time of news monopoly is over ... and yes, some countries also do think bad of net - Iran, China .. they mind mainly porn, violence, offensive stuff, but also challenges to their political systems
- Petr Buben
@petrbuben not only iran china but also turkey
- Atif UNALDI
from IM
@seanmcbride agreed. But sorry couldn't understand what flailing means
- Atif UNALDI
from IM
A digital vampire that sucks digits and then vomits them up exponentially into the eagerly awaiting public's starving gullets.
- Geoff Schultz
@Atif ..got it ..well at least you are here, and that's great! ..the nonviolent evolution to more freedoms, while preserving the rule of law and justice, is the answer ...
- Petr Buben
Newspapers are in a unique position to win this battle. ... 1. embrace internet. 2. hire the best geeks, web programmers, the best talent languishing around the web, even here... for $100k/y 3. make your site state of the art, get on FriendFeed etc... 4. get discussions, life going ... 5. get local classified ad sections going, with video links etc ..... 6. you can win, choke Google up...
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- Petr Buben
@petrboben I was the coordinator of dogan tv holding which is the first in tv sector. I change most of the things and add a new way of biz. But when I resigned everything change to its normal position
- Atif UNALDI
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... and the point is? ..... they forced you out? ..... if they cannot do it, others will
- Petr Buben
flail: to move energetically in an uncontrolled way: "The drowning man's flailings soon attracted the lifeguard's attention."
- Sean McBride
Manufacturers of ox wagons had the same problem with Ford. Candle manufacturers suffered equally under electricity. I think the traditional media has some thinking to do.
- Justice of the Piece
I just canceled my newspaper subscription (after ten years). Google had nothing to do with it. Having news delivered once per day printed in smudgy ink on dead trees is inconvenient & obsolete. Newspapers should stop whining that I'll miss them when they're gone, stop looking for somewhere to lay blame for their business problems, and work a little harder to stay in business. Earlier this year, I suggested that the local fishwrap offer a Kindle edition. They ignored me, and so lost a customer.
- Pat Rice
in response to this accusation, Google offered a WSJ reporter a tour of the Googleplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch... note reference to Googlebot at end of clip.
- Karim
Petr.. well the system is very bad in the begining. Sometimes manager of the tv channels told me to cut the web stream for rating. But after a while I showed them how to have a real time rating information via web. They change their mind. After a while, I change their mind to buy the rights of F1 broadcasting all over the world. by motivating them with not money but prestige. I sometimes wrote my memories in my english blog www.atifunaldi.com
- Atif UNALDI
thx for the explanation sean
- Atif UNALDI
The old man sue google but did he know that url? www2.awsj.com.hk/wsje/WSJE.pdf?DATE=2006-04-05 which gives you the last full edition of WSJ.. If he want to get the advantage he have to know the web. He need a clever consultant for that :) http://atifunaldi.com/about/
- Atif UNALDI
That is so funny. Things are opposite of what Mr.Hinton said.Future in newspaper are in Google hands, but this is not bad for newspaper.
- Zoran Vuletic
YouTube Increases File Size Limit To 2GB, Now Allows Direct HD Embeds And Links - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"By the way, I’m uploading HD videos done with my Canon 5D Mark II DSLR at http://www.youtube.com/scoblei... — awesome quality."
- Robert Scoble
Cool! I'll check 'em out!
- Fred Davis
Plenty of comments on that Techcrunch piece point up the fact that uploading a 2GB file would for most people take a very long time. Even on fast ADSL connections upload speeds are dreadfully slow. And then there is the bandwidth to consider if you are capped in any way. We don't all live in South Korea.
- Gilbert Harding
Excellent!
- Fred Davis
YouTube Increases File Size Limit To 2GB, Now Allows Direct HD Embeds And Links - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Svartling and Fred Davis liked this
"Supposedly you can get longer lengths by switching your account to a director account. I’ve done that, but it’s not accepting longer lengths yet. Sigh. Thankfully we have TubeMogul and other services like Viddler and Blip.tv, both of which are awesome."
- Robert Scoble
Fwd: Through The Green Fuse - today and tomorrow - http://www.todayandtomorrow.net/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/photogr...)
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wow
- K.D.
Srikanth AD to Srikanth's feed, Social Media Club, All Things Open Source, Social Media, Ars Technica, RWW: The Future of Tech, Friends of Mashable
Joomla! 1.5.12 Released (Codename: Wojmamni Ama Woi) - http://www.mytestbox.com/news...
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Craving intimacy in our social networks - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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not so much looking for a better way as much as better ways to use what's already there. FF is at present the app of choice, then Twitter. FB doesn't do much for me but it may be purely an issue of bias.
- chad calease
@Robert: do we need our own "private" FF/Twitter networks? or is there something else needed?
- MikeAmundsen
I use Friendfeed and Twitter to find out what's going on in the BIG world. I use Facebook to know what's going on in MY world, friends of the past and present. There IS a difference.
- Steve Hampton
Steve, you make a good point. Perhaps configuring one to interact with the other [big and small] in flexible, relevant ways is the key here.
- chad calease
Yeah, I guess it would be really great if I had one tool to handle both the big world and my world, it would be great, But there are times that I like the separation of the two.
- Steve Hampton
@Robert: I find myself using Twitter less and less, FF only marginally, and have an FB account but do not use it. For intimate, more personal discussions, I find that niche social networks are best for me--networks that are created with a specific demographic in mind. I'm very involved with the development of BuddyPress (BP) and see some interesting niche social sites being created using BP.
- Jeff Sayre
@Jeff Sayre, it sounds then like we're moving back to the days of discussion forums
- Adam
@Adam, BP is not about forums, although that is one component of the platform. With BP you create your own social networking site. It's obviously not for everyone, but it is more intimate than a one-size fits all approach like FF or FB. http://buddypress.org/
- Jeff Sayre
Steve: I've been working away in my mad scientist's lab for the past 6 months trying to solve that (and other) problems with these real-time stream and friend/frenemy-related issues. You never know, but I think that me and my partner (Lisa Padilla @lisapadilla) may have come up with a solution for your problem... it's called Grabbit, and we're on track with our development team at...
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- Fred Davis
Robert Socble talking @140conf (recorded) LIVE now -> http://www.livestream.com/140char...
- Qbat
I ment Robert Scoble ;)
- Qbat
really interesting.. talking about cnn's coverage on Iran
- Qbat
Find Jeff Sayre comments interesting. Buddy Press could be something that people will explore and like as it is more intimate.
- courtney benson
Robert - I agree although I'm not sure if any social network by nature can perfectly fit into the "biz" or "personal" pigeonhole. I personally use FB only for private sharing with "real" friends - my postings are completely closed to non-friends. I use FF, Twitter, Google Reader, LinkedIN as extensions of my "professional" life. This "firewall" between personal and professional helps me...
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- Jim Tierney
Robert, I use twitter and friendfeed, have FF but don't use it. Still in a research mode.Like FF for professional and ability to go beyond 140. Beginning to get pretty annoyed with the spammers on Twitter and I expect it will only get a lot worse
- courtney benson
Jim: As these social network platforms evolve, new tools and functions become needed, and then those need to evolve, too. What is needed is further evolution of what I call Friend Management, which should ultimately do simple things like sort out personal from biz, and also more sophisticated things like reputation tracking, relationship tracking, etc. ... back in web 1.0 I was working...
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- Fred Davis
@Steve Hampton I like having that boundary too, though I use LiveJournal for the private part.
- Zian Choy
One of the main reasons I'm on FF is the private groups. I've setup a private group with a couple of close friends and we use it very frequently. We were using Twitter with private users, but I prefer having the inline photos and video here. The problem with FaceBook is that although I really like my friends on there, I don't particularly want to socialize with that many people that frequently.
- Chip Ramsey
"Normal" people in my life... What browser do you use? Google. Who's your email provider? Outlook. What they know is what works for them. ALL of them get on Facebook and can use the 30% functionality important to them; view pictures and communicate with the people they care about. ALL of them don't "get" Twitter. I'm not saying they're right, but in my opinion Facebook is taking a...
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- Jeremy Gollehon
@Steve Hampton: I agree completely, well said.
- David Ziembicki
@Steve Hampton: I'm like you in that I try to use FF & Twitter for the 'bigger picture' and FB for more intimate relationships. Although lately all I seem to be getting on FB is folks playing Mafia Wars and the like. I do like to keep them separate most of the time.
- Alex Hellstrom
@Robert I'm convinced the biggest reason people use our site, totspot, is the very search for intimacy that you describe in this article. well put.
- Michael Broukhim
I do not crave intimacy from my social networks, only honesty and transparency. That is why I like Facebook so much, because people are who they say they are. Twitter would do good to do more to copy Facebook in this respect. Twitter is at odds with itself because when you sign up for an account it encourages you to use your real picture and name, and then they show you the suggested...
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- Garin Kilpatrick
Robert, have you ever done research into the history of two way communication online and some of the robust communities -- including private ones, as well as ones people pay to be a part of that have been around for nearly ten years? I think in order to really talk about this form of engagement/interaction online, everybody should have sort of a sense of the history of it. I'm sure with...
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- Patricia
Top 5 Things Ruining Twitter by @lalawag - http://lalawag.com/top-5-t...
Nurse Katie, Cassidy, Fred Davis and 2 other people liked this
"Twitter is an amazing platform that is revolutionizing the way we communicate and discuss our lunch plans. That being said, there are several trends that are posed to kill this birdy. Ok, maybe kill is a tad dramatic, but they certainly make things less desirable for someone like myself."
- Keith - @tsudo
from Bookmarklet
I just retweeted this.
- Cassidy
lol, 1+ Cassidy
- Keith - @tsudo
I think the point about Retweeting is a good one. "Be mindful of your retweet noise levels, and only reach out for a retweet when it’s really worth it." Retweets are great but shouldn't be abused.
- Keith - @tsudo
I happen to prefer the "via" method that allows me to reword and comment on the article I'm sharing. See Louis Gray's post here http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Keith - @tsudo
FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Joshua, david beckwith, HealingBrush and 596 other people liked this
"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
That's the new hawtness!
- Alex Scoble
wow
- michael sean wright
whoa!
- vijay
SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA
- Josh Haley
Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the game just changed
- chrisofspades
Haha! Nice...
- WorldofHiglet
nice
- endiaferon
This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list.
- Kol Tregaskes
Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint...
- sean andersen
Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again.
- Kol Tregaskes
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit?
- Frankie Warren
this has awesomesauce all over it
- Alfredo
is video an option?
- Zee.
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
No video at the moment, Zee.
- Ross Miller
Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com?
- chrisofspades
So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox>
- nickrw
nice!
- Mike Bracco
So, no BluRay rips, then :p
- Josh Haley
Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable).
- Bret Taylor
Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect.
- Bret Taylor
Very Nice
- Brent - Loving Life
neat-o!
- t i n y m
Bret - is music an option?
- Zee.
WIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
@Dan, thx
- imabonehead
Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported
- Dan Hsiao
Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above.
- Kol Tregaskes
MP3s?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day).
- Bret Taylor
Yay, no more rapidshare! :)
- Kaan Ertürk
OK, but any format?
- Kol Tregaskes
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL, Tina.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported?
- Kol Tregaskes
Tina++, Holy Crap! :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo
Bret: What about attachments to comments?
- sean andersen
Swwwweeeettttt!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Greatissimo :)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server?
- Frankie Warren
Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock.
- Mitch
Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images?
- Kol Tregaskes
Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :)
- Carlos Ayala
I think you can support them by buying the FF swags.
- imabonehead
cool
- Siavash
and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY
- chrisofspades
NIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Pedram
Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :)
- JA Castillo
JA, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thierry, yep MP3s are supported.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cool stuff
- Tyson Key
Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest?
- Tyson Key
Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition!
- Holger Eilhard
NaFFster! :)
- jcunwired
Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;)
- Tyson Key
this is GREAT!
- Cee Bee
Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1..
- Daniel Sims
Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :)
- Victor Ganata
Hey Bret, are these virus-checked?
- Jordan Hofker
@Jordan - good question
- andy brudtkuhl
Jordan, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
The moment I read this I updated my AV program.
- jcunwired
Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jordan- yes, we virus scan them.
- Casey Muller
Cool, Casey. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, thanks Casey.
- Jordan Hofker
Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time.
- Casey Muller
Haha, Victor. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit?
- Jordan Hofker
search by file type?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jordan - what is **AA's ??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
\m/
- metalerik
abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love**
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Jason, I might be with you on this one.
- Johnny
This is nice! Very nice!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yippie-kai-yay :))))
- A.T.
Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations.
- Christopher Harley
NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :)
- Dilip Dand
Very Cool !!!
- Eric Logan
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
seriously useful.
- Calvin Ayre
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy Fuller
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
that is AWESOME!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy Fuller
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
Kudos on the added features!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。
- 老巫师
哇塞，这个强的。 I like it.
- xiawinter
Wow. Just wow. Thanks.
- Laura Norvig
NICE! Thanks for the info.
- Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom
Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, very awesome!
- Scott Magdalein
It's *machine code*.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy Fuller
Excellent! Thank you!
- Diego Barros
"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...)
- Ozkan Altuner
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Must you force downloads on HTML files?
- Raphael, Raphael
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net)
- Raphael, Raphael
Thx! FF continues to rock :)
- Krishnamoorthy
why the limit on audio files?
- Tyler Gillies
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
wow :)
- Mucio
I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more?
- Dnl
anyone know the file size limit?
- Julian Seery Gude
My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
- Micah Wittman
FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means...
- Mitch
*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
oh heck yes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!!
- Darren Heydon
Interesting analysis of Twitter's Suggested User List, which @timoreilly objects to in comments: http://twittercism.com/suggest...
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Scoble, do you feel you're should have been on that featured twitter users list? Or do you feel you deserve a time on it?
- Doubledown_inSL
Interesting. But how did the people on SUL get there on the first place?
- Alex M.
Well said Robert.
- Leo Laporte
Newt Gingrich?? Why *is* Newt Gingrich on the SUL?
- RobinDotNet
I would think having Newt Gingrich on the list would invalidate the entire list. I mean, really.
- RobinDotNet
Doubledown_inSL: I don't want to be on any default list by a platform vendor that I didn't earn my way onto and that YOU can't earn your way onto it either. This is not a meritocracy. It's a royalty system. One that picks stars and gifts them huge audiences.
- Robert Scoble
Ahmed: Twitter picked their favorite people and removed anyone that they saw as a threat to their future business model. Me for talking about friendfeed too much. Leo for complaining about the name. Calacanis for being a pimp. Kawasaki for being too obvious about building his business (Alltop) on top of it. Shall I go on?
- Robert Scoble
Doubledown_inSL: you need to take a look at the original conversation if you haven't already... http://ff.im/4iPSZ
- Travis Koger
Robert: I see
- Alex M.
reminds me of way clubs in NYC let people in #1.Star Power (BIG NAME), #2 Beauty #3 Wealth
- courtney benson
one thing would be interesting to map - how many of the people on the list have ties to kevin rose... i am betting some interesting trends would show up.
- Allen Stern
Courtney: You forgot women to men ratio! ;)
- Travis Koger
Travis, right!
- courtney benson
Allen: Leo and I both have ties to Kevin Rose and aren't on the list.
- Robert Scoble
Media has always been star-driven... so one of the measures of success of any star-maker is the editorial judgment and wisdom of their anointed ones. Same in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Nashville, Bollywood... print, radio, tv, movies... it's inescapable... and, Robert, no matter whose list you do or don;t make it onto, you are already a MAJOR star ;-)
- Fred Davis
robert - im talking about "in his posse" - justine is(was?), gary, etc. it's something that I've wondered about for a while.
- Allen Stern
It's the Web 2.0 Mafia ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Fred: thank you (for those who don't know, Fred is one of the co-founders of Wired Magazine and a star in his own right). But I wasn't gifted my "stardom" by a media platform. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Fred, agreed that Robert is top notch but so is Leo, Guy and Jason as well as Kevin
- courtney benson
Allen: if you said it's "San Francisco gadflys" or "insiders" then I think you're correct. It's just that Kevin is one that's very visible in that circle. Funny, Howard Lindzen and Jeff Pulver and Fred Wilson are investors in Twitter and they aren't on it. I think all three of them deserve it too. I wonder why they aren't gifted a spot?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: surely having investors on the SUL would be a little too inbred, even for twitter?
- Travis Koger
Travis: probably. I sure would love to see the thinking that goes on behind the scenes when they decide this list. By the way, I've heard from someone close to the Twitter team that complaining about the list gets you added to a black list where you never will get onto it. Which, funny enough, freed me to complain even more. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I guess it would be a little liberating knowing that technically you could not offend them more than you already have. ;)
- Travis Koger
there's always been old boys clubs, the SUL is just twitter's form of it.
- BCK
Dave Winer is very quiet tonight.
- Mark
Mark: I think he's traveling.
- Robert Scoble
I do like his posts. I wish Dave contributed more on Friendfeed though. I think he is a little reluctant because he doesn't want to evangelise FF at all. He isn't interested in getting people from twitter to here, he considers that FF's problem and not something he should freely help towards. I suppose he is the opposite of you Scoble in that regard.
- Mark
wow, I met Steve Johnson recently @MarketingProfs B2B and I did not connect his real life self with the Twitter suggested list :D
- Valeria Maltoni
also, looks like the editors at People magazine picked who they put on the list :)
- Valeria Maltoni
I swear I typed that before I saw People magazine on the list!
- Valeria Maltoni
Robert, I think you're engaging in one of the oldest forms of media self-promotion here: attacking others as a way of drawing attention to yourself. I like you a lot and you're generally very positive. But when you start claiming that twitter "took you off the list" because you promote Friendfeed too much, I think you're playing the same kind of media game that led talk radio and its ilk astray. It doesn't speak well of you.
- Tim O'Reilly
I wondering if there has been anything showing whether being on the SUL effects a business bottom line, if it does or starts to I definitely can see a problem.
- Kim Landwehr
Just guessing but I find it really hard to believe that half the "stars" on the SUL actually write their own tweets. Betting it is all run by a bunch of PR flacks.
- Dave Hodson
Tim: you keep making this about me but I am far from the only one hurt by this list. But you are right and it demonstrates just how many strings are attached here even for people who are not on the list. We can't even discuss the list and how anti-community and how it sets up a corruptible system without looking like a selfish jerk. But you forgot one thing: I will not accept a spot on...
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- Robert Scoble
Tim: but I have written my last word on this. You are right that it serves me no good to talk about this and waste my energy on it. It's just shocking to me that you are defending something that isn't a meritocracy. I was expecting you to be the first one to decry this system of royalty and corruptible systems. The fact that you're all for it and, worse, saying I'm doing this just for self promotion, makes me sad. Really sad.
- Robert Scoble
You are out of order O'Reilly.
- Mark
Robert, you definitely earned your "stardom" but don't forget you also had a helpful platform as a Microsoft house blogger.
- Michael Markman
Thats a pretty weak point, Michael.
- Mark
Michael: and for that I had to interview and win my job (which wasn't easy). Also I had thousands of readers per day BEFORE getting that job and being a Microsoft employee didn't get me on a default list that was included in a platform service. I also didn't get an unfair advantage against other Microsoft employees and Bill Gates didn't "pick" the winners -- the marketplace did (when I...
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- Robert Scoble
Speaking as a non-celebrity looking in: I'm really bugged by this whole thing. First of all, Robert, I didn't need a SUL to follow you. Or Leo or Tim or iJustine or TechCrunch or anyone else on my list. The SUL means nothing to me. I never even looked into it ( I've been on twitter since 2006 way before the SUL was in place) until this whole SUL scandal started coming up. I understand...
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- Lise
Obviously the SUL is a bad idea all around, or at least the way it is implemented. I can see why they want it; most likely to help with retention of new users. Most people sign up and have no idea what to do. Unfortunately it puts Twitter, those on the SUL, and the people who point out what a poor system it is in a bad spot. There is no way Twitter can say they would be fair and...
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- W_B_K
Robert, hey, I know you weren't gifted your stardom, you earned it by being RELENTLESS about doing your thing, and doing it in public forums (whatever the forum), i.e.: sharing!!!
- Fred Davis
I think, ideally, SUL's would be personalized, based on your interests, your profile(s), your friends, FOF's, etc. We'd all get a different one, that was (hopefully) more tailored to each of us. The web is about micromedia, and the one-SUL-fits-all approach is so mass media that it doesn't fit in very well... as this whole discussion (and the many others on the SUL topic) underscore.
- Fred Davis
Fred: I agree and its a great point. This is almost what Facebook and LinkedIn do to recommend connections.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Some interesting points here. Being somewhat of a lightweight compared to some of the visionaries here, I appreciate the opportunity to comment on something that has been bugging me for some time. I wrote about the follower issue a little while ago on my blog, http://bit.ly/NhVQa, and I feel very strongly that Twitter has become a popularity contest for some of its users. The fact the Robert engages others equally, regardless of their VC level, is why I follow him. His value to the community is tangible.
- Chris Sparno
I thought LinkedIn had a similar issue a few years ago with the number of connections and they capped the visible connections at 500 and evened the playing field. I like that approach. But it seems that acquiring twitter followers is baked into the twitter dna and they would never create a visible cap at 500.
- Jim Posner
Robert, I love you to death man, but why do you waste so much time and energy on this topic? I certainly don't care who is on the list, it just doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Make you own SUL if you feel others deserve to be heard, you have the webspace and the star power to do it, so just do it. Big hug dude.
- Rob Fahrni
Fred: I'd love a system like that. Sort of like Alltop or WeFollow.com. That would have been the right thing to do. Jim: exactly. Lise: there is a disconnect between those who do this as a business and those who do it just for fun. Audience size means money. Let me know how you feel when someone at work gets a huge raise without deserving it/earning it (especially worse if you've been...
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- Robert Scoble
Rob: I do have my own SUL. It's http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... and everyone on it earns their way on it every day by posting great content.
- Robert Scoble
So all those sales people and "MAKE MONEY WITH TWITTER" people -- do they make money off of me if I don't follow them back?
- RobinDotNet
I like what Fred said. It really would enhance the service. Tumblr has the right approach, at least in part, on the micro-level with Tumblarity. Each user has their own benchmark. In terms of twitter's SUL, it's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. Twitter is a business. The SUL is one method they use to promote their brand. There's a level of inherent familiarity built into the brand...
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- Benjamin Taylor
PS It's great to see the hulk back, in solidarity.
- Benjamin Taylor
So if there was a revolt and nobody followed people on the SUL who they thought should not be on the SUL, would Twitter leave them on the SUL? If you don't follow someone because they are on the SUL, is that as bad as following them because they are? (Did that make any sense, or did I not get enough sleep last night?)
- RobinDotNet
Exactly Robert, you work your butt off, and I appreciate you for what you bring to the table. I guess being a z-lister, like myself, leaves me on the outside of understanding why this is such a hot topic? Does this really boil down to money? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I truly don't get why it's so important?
- Rob Fahrni
Let's not forget that you can't be the "media darling" if you don't cater to celebs and the popular.Twitter has grown down distinct paths. On one branch are the value creators - they share and create meaningful content, dialog and discourse. On another, are the media hounds, who crave attention and are collecting followers like Pokemon. Those of us who value the former don't pay attention to the SUL.
- Chris Sparno
Isn't it kind of like going to google and searching for something, and the first links that show up are the ones that people have paid google money to give them precedence, and they might not even necessarily be the best search result?
- RobinDotNet
Chris, nicely put.
- Rob Fahrni
Robin, its exactly like that. Good analogy.
- Chris Sparno
Benjamin: you don't want to see me when I'm angry! Rob Fahrni: absolutely it's about money. And sex. And influence. And other kinds of measuring I won't mention here. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Rob Fahrni: but mostly it's about building a platform that is a meritocracy. I'm an American. I don't like royalty based systems. If you can't earn your way onto this list I don't want any part of it.
- Robert Scoble
Oh Robert, you're killin me man!
- Rob Fahrni
Rob Fahrni: I'm in a good mood. Peter Himmelman is rocking! http://peterhimmelman.com/furious... Come join us, more fun than debating stupid lists.
- Robert Scoble
Then Google isn't an exact model, because it IS a meritocracy, even though it's based on cash.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I've never paid to be on Google. So far Google is a pretty darn good example of a good platform vendor that lets the marketplace decide winners and losers.
- Robert Scoble
Don't they have paid links that take precedence? I guess the diff is that though they might have that (and I don't know that they do for sure), they also show everybody else that fits the search criteria.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: absolutely not. The paid links were always separate on Google and never were mixed in with the free ones.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I meant killin me in a good way, I'm grinning ear-to-ear. I see your point but doesn't all this attention, even negative attention, just add to the popularity of the thing you despise? You're one of the good guys Robert, don't let this drag you down. I think this is great fodder for a very long essay on Scobleizer.
- Rob Fahrni
Got it. That's good to know. So the links that best meet the search criteria are on the top. Hmmm. Sounds like meritocracy to me. You're right, not like Twitter's SUL.
- RobinDotNet
It's kind of interesting Robert that you are righteously condeming Twitter for removal from the SUL. As if it a) really matters in the grand scheme of things, b) like this is supposed to be a true meritocracy (I'm uncertain where one exists in the real word), and c) complaining on friendfeed or yourblog will change twitters mind. You are not @aplusk kutchner, or one of the Jonas bros...
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- derikp
derikp: if my son is better at playing soccer and isn't chosen I'd certainly go and talk to the coach and plead his case. But we're not talking about soccer and anyway I'm done discussing this. Onward. I'm glad there are so many people who like royalty based systems and don't understand why meritocracies are important to defend. I guess that's how we end up with countries like Iran and China. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
It's interesting, a number of you have heavily criticized the SUL, yet you're all still using Twitter. Speaks to the power of numbers in the platform.
- Bill Kinney
Why should there be a list at all? Follow people that interest you. You make twitter what it is.
- Ryan Gerritsen
Bill: You can not like the SUL and still use Twitter. Apples and oranges. I don't like many of the people who live in my town, yet I still live here and like the town.
- Curt Mercadante
Granted. I just think it would be more interesting if someone critical of Twitter put their money where their mouth is and stopped using it. Actions speak louder than words, yadda yadda. It seems unlikely given the audiences some people have over there even if it's not a million plus. I also think the tech celebrity is jealous that traditional media has co-opted the platform. It's a fascinating topic.
- Bill Kinney
oh when will lame twitter SUL get corrected?! *sigh*
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
And, by the way, it seems like the SUL is being used like the same "mass follower" tools that the Twitter folks are seeking to diminish by killing the accounts of those who use them.
- Curt Mercadante
Reason I still use Twitter, I still get more responses from my Tweets than in FF. Yet I tend to be more engaged in FF these days but I think the FF celebs usually spark the most engaging threads and the rest of us are trying to get that engagement from our posts.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: there's no audience more engaged than one you build yourself by being of service to them. It's tough work and I'll be watching and engaging!
- Robert Scoble
Sorry I wasn't complaining, just saying many of us built that in Twitter and find it a little tougher to get traction on FriendFeed with our posts. I think tools like WeFollow, Twellow (and even #followfriday) help build relevant audiences easier. You can even argue that SUL is even a good starting place for n00bs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: yeah, the eco system that's built up around Twitter is quite powerful. On the other hand here all you need to do is follow someone active and they bring other people into your view (every time I click "like" or comment on someone's items I push those items into your view, for instance) so finding new people to follow here is much nicer and much less of a competition. Plus you find new voices that aren't on any list a lot faster here, I've found.
- Robert Scoble
Manielse, ditto Robert S
- Myrna
Maybe they could reward early twitter users with a day on the list for every month on twitter before 08. If new social networks would promise props in the future I could live without twitter.
- Greg Birch
Although the SUL is obviously distorting of the natural community growth of Twitter, and does not really fulfill the functions @Ev and @Biz intended, "power users" not on the SUL who criticize it should know: they sound really vain, chippy, and silly.
- Jason Pontin
I don't care who is on the Twitter SUL, and I pay no attention to it. I look for the Twitter feeds that are most interesting to me -- they are not difficult to find, with a bit of searching. I don't understand the preoccupation with that list -- like everything on the Internet, it is simple to route around or ignore entirely.
- Sean McBride
Jason: we know that. If I lived in fear of looking vain, chippy, or silly, I'd just stay off the Internet! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I do not know you or Tim but I do follow and have great respect for you both. IMHO (I am an amateur when compared to you guys), Tim was not saying that he supports the SUL. Do I agree with his comment? Nope. Do I like the SUL? No. But it does happen that if you criticise a list while you mention that you have not been included it can sound like you are "jealous" even if you are not and you do have good reasons for not liking the list... so this can be a tricky one!
- Pablo Melchor
Really, the personalized way is the only good way... I mean, sheesh, Twitter recommends people like Ashlee Simpson to me, ferchrissakes! So most of the people on the SUL are a total waste for me, and I suppose for most people, when you get right down to it... if I had some $ to burn I'd get some outside research firm like Insight Express to scope out how the SUL is actually viewed,...
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- Fred Davis
I still think most people find suggested users through word-of-mouth and their own social circles. That's the only way to get the people you really want to follow based on your interests. I've also found that using hashtags properly will get the kind of users you want to follow to you before you get to them.
- Fleagle
iPhone 3.0 celebration tonight in NYC's Times Square. All friendfeeders and Twitter users invited. 10 pm. Meet at Roxy's then we will hit Wine Library TV party.
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10 Eastern, right?
- D Lets
Happy celebration and have a good time :).
- Ronald
Don't start without us. Simon grab a suitcase and head for Heathrow.
- Gilbert Harding
D Lets. Yes. 10 p.m. Eastern. New York Time.
- Robert Scoble
0200 UTC. ;)
- CAJ, somewhere else
Makes me wish I still lived on the East Coast. :(
- John Fox
Oooh I wish I was there! dang! Only 7 hr drive away ;-/
- Susan Beebe
I'll be in Silicon Valley thinking of you ;-)
- Fred Davis
Dang - I missed you by 3 weeks
- Jesse Stay
are you celebrating a software update? that's quite funny!
- ezekiel
it's fantastic... only in new york... proporrei la stessa cosa a roma... ma non sono sicuro che avrebbe successo...
- Viditu
Wow, over a firmware update?
- Adi
ah, to be young
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lol... she seems so comfortable, I wouldn't move her either.
- Alan Le
too cute
- imabonehead
that is priceless.
- Sharon McPherson
Good spot
- Josh Haley
There are days I just wanna stop & rest like that. Can you imagine if everyone did that when the urge hit them? hahaha.
- Bonita Garrabrant
My mother one time lost me in the house. Couldn't find me anywhere. Panicked. Found me sleeping on a bookshelf.
- Akiva Moskovitz
i used to sleep in cabinets, akiva, same thing, my mom would panic and then find me hidden in a drawer of an armoir or under the sink. strange
- Melissa Maskevich
Just couldn't play another second.... Aw.
- Kay Designer
never wake a sleeping child, unless it is an emergency, or you are running late for school.
- Nathan Eckenrode
I'm going to try this later.
- Andrew Trinh
me after a meeting that ran too long
- Mary Rosberg
perfectly balanced... <3
- Trish Haley
Thats hilarious.
- DGentry
Handy place for a nap, just help your'shelf'
- Kevin J Hatton
lol!
- David Cook
so precious!!!
- jamar78
I would definitely move her. There's a very important artery behind the knee that can be occluded when the knees are locked.
- Mattb4rd
It wasn't nearly as cute the last time I did that. Of course, it was at work.
- Russell Holliman
When life challenges your strongest beliefs about business or your personal life, I’d be curious what you rely on first?
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Heading to a brainstorming at KQED. Discussing how to make "This Week in N. Cal." look less like it was produced in the 1970s.
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Facebook has TRUST issues - another misstep - facebook sending key journalists & bloggers access to vanity urls in advance; bad move
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bad move, unless you are a "key journalist" :-)
- Dave Hodson
Advertisers don't trust facebook why because their track record of blunders continues... giving key url name access to anyone in advance and in secret is bad policy..they should have just developed a better policy...plenty of places to figure this out ..look at how domain names are rolled out...
- John Furrier
Facebook is ignoring the "little" people who have helped grow the service. I agree that this is a bad move for Facebook. It makes them look like they don't care about you unless you are "important"
- Shawn Hickman
I agree Shawn. To me it just makes them look like they are unprofessional and shooting from the hip in serious matters like "navigation" and identity. It's things like this that makes people question Facebook. When I talk with advertisers they all want to be on Facebook but they are scared and don't trust them (re: the Terms of Service snafu)
- John Furrier
To me, the thing that makes Facebook so unique are the privacy features. Now it seems that they are moving away from that and what to be more public like Twitter and FriendFeed. I don't want that. I like using Facebook for personal reasons. They are scared of Twitter and FF when they don't need to be, and they are quickly trying to be like them. I don't mind vanity URLs for public pages, but for private profiles I don't really see the need.
- Shawn Hickman
And yes, John, when it comes to navigation they seem to change their mind every couple of seconds
- Shawn Hickman
check out Kara Swisher blog post on the subject ..very good and funny.. she calls this URLGate http://kara.allthingsd.com/2009061...
- John Furrier
I think that it's about time that I start focusing my energy on highlighting publicly what is going on at Facebook on SiliconAngle ..
- John Furrier
Dude, do it. For a company that wants its users to share so much info, they don't share shit.
- Shawn Hickman
Kara post was good, I liked her idea for her URL Http://facebook.com/findmeontwitter@karaswisher. Awesome:)
- Shawn Hickman
(Conversation now embedded in the parent post at SA - http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2...)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Um, @ev @biz @jack Twitter has locked Fred Davis out of his Twitter account. He's the co-founder of Wired Magazine. You might want to fix.
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Ever get the idea that Twitter's held together with string?
- Jim Connolly
twitter also locked a dear friend out of her account @Vonnikins
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
this is due to that video virus i believe
- sean percival
What's Fred's Twitter user name? I am going to blast a message out on Twitter for him.
- Jim Connolly
Yeah, that sure would be nice! And hurry, before whoever hacked it starts using it to spam all my pals!!!
- Fred Davis
freddavis
- Fred Davis
I'm on it Fred! I'm @thetechnewsblog on Twitter BTW.
- Jim Connolly
you can see on my page it has me listed as Jose Perez http://twitter.com/freddavis
- Fred Davis
Hey @thetechnewsblog, thx!!!
- Fred Davis
I tweeted it as well, @hdiwan on twitter
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Funny, I wasn't Twittering much, but wanted to get back into it via FriendFeed... which is a much better product... as Robert has been saying for some time ;-)
- Fred Davis
nicely said Fred.
- michael sean wright
You know, it's worth reminding everyone that friendfeed has NEVER had these kinds of problems. Knock on wood. In 18 months friendfeed has only been down for a couple of hours that I know about. It's an amazingly resilient service, especially when you compare it with Twitter (which has ALWAYS had problems, even when no one was using it).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's especially impressive considering how much more sophisticated their service is!
- Fred Davis
@robert, @fred - total bollocks, the technology behind delivery has nothing todo with the problem that trying to protect yourself against spam causes. Scale means the spammers get involved, the spammers are bloody clever and will *always* find a way to cause problems. twitter is having problems because they are automating these tasks and not getting it right. Friendfeed has tiny traffic - and therefore the spammer are not interested, and therefore friendfeed doesnt have a problem.
- Nick Halstead
@Nick - wow..a kick in the pants to friendfeed
- Gaurav
@Robert LOL - you are joking right?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: bullshit. Twitter was down when NO ONE was on the service. Remember, I've been on Twitter more than 900 days now. It has been down continuously since the beginning. And friendfeed has a lot of features here that are FAR MORE resistant to spam than Twitter is. Is friendfeed perfect? No.
- Robert Scoble
And Nick there's a lot more people here than you might think. 39,000 are following me now, and the service is growing faster than Twitter was at the same age.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, but my account was hacked, not spammed... yes, being bigger makes you more of a target for that, too... so having a security hole that let me get hacked is bad enough... but then, not responding to it is really stupid, not just for my selfish reasons of wanting my account back, but because if they have a security hole, they should find out all they can about it. I think they...
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- Fred Davis
Here's one example of how Twitter isn't resistant to spam: search. You can't delete anything in search and if you block people over on Twitter they still show up in searches. Here, if you block someone they are gone from EVERYWHERE.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how many of those 39,000 are legit and how many are spam? ;)
- Damon Cortesi
Damon: not a single spam one. I block spam on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Maybe I'll start running some stats over here soon.
- Damon Cortesi
Robert's right about spam here - I only have 1000 subscribers, but none have spammed me. If they do, it's easy to block them. A block on Friendfeed is a 'true' block. They don't even show up in searches. This makes it a LOT less attractive for spammers to target FriendFeed.
- Jim Connolly
And while they're at it, could they fix the borked Profile Pictures problem too? Lots of folks can't upload new ones but the old one is gone. Like me
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
The Tech News Blog (glad to find you on twitter, good of you to help out Fred Davis). When (not if) friendfeed does continue growing spammers/pirates/hackers etc. attacks will increase in frequency. To their credit Paul Buchheit & crew have apparently read my mind when it comes to social software (looks like google wave devs may have as well - we'll see how stable it becomes), and have designed ff from the ground up with abusers in mind (likes/blocks/etc).
- Mark Essel
Mark - you make a lot of good points. Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
News flash! Still no Twitter access... sheesh!
- Fred Davis
All you are missing today is alot of FollowFriday mesages....the current top trending topic is TGIF
- Mike Nencetti
LOL!!
- Roberto Bonini
Update... another week and still no Twitter access... and NO response from Twitter... and of course, I can't tweet that ;-)
- Fred Davis
Fred, have you tried contacting Oprah about it? ;)
- Paul Buchheit
Think positive thoughts! You get a car! And you get measles! Live your best life! Leave the future Oprah TV Network on 24/7 so as not to miss any remote healing! (sorry, can't help myself)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Whoops!
- James Stratford
+1 Paul - LOL --- haha i seriously don't get why twitter sucks so badly and running their biz {doh!}
- Susan Beebe
It's not really a business, it's a feature in search of a business - which may yet happen.
- John Blossom
Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple.
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Just getting ready for the morning!
- Robert Scoble
Ha! Yup, time for a new iPhone... again!
- Fred Davis
They are already waiting in line, after all!
- Robert Scoble
I'm ready!
- Peter Kruit
Banana
- Dean Clark
Ready for the new iPhone, ready to make the switch finally
- James Armfield
Exciteddd #apple!
- chris andrew
mosdef, apple!
- Jeremy Abbett
Funny, since I learned of you from Channel9.
- Peter Warnock
Dean: actually, Apricot. After all, they built their headquarters on one of my favorite Apricot orchards.
- Robert Scoble
My 2G self is ready for an upgrade!
- AllisonWagda
it has begun!
- Tyler Gillies
Please let there be a release of iPhone OS 3.0 and Snow Leopard =D!
- Guru Panguji
Can't wait til the evening
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Heheh. Or is that "Bing. Bing. Bing. Bing."
- Robert Scoble
juice?
- Adam Johnson
Apple + Microsoft
- سیدیونس
got ya
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
can anyone confirm frontal camera?
- Tyler Gillies
God.....what's this...
- freebat
Guru, there's reportedly a Snow Leopard banner hanging in Moscone in plain view...which likely wouldn't be there unless there was *some* update :)
- AllisonWagda
Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like :)
- Fatih Taşkıran
Sun. Sun. Sun. .. oh heck!
- John W Lewis
it's finally that time of the year! wooot! :D
- vijay
Judging by the looks of it, you're more than ready for tomorrow! Enjoy the conference, Rob!
- Thomas Ward
Hmmm, it's true. All you have to do is say "Apple" and tons of people will like and comment. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting (and not sleeping very well).
- g3houdini
Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee,
- Nir Ben Yona
When you get your new iPhones, check out @iStoryTime a library of narrated kids books for the iPhone http://cli.gs/4a3SYs
- Graham Farrar
Thanks for the reminder. I promised my daughter I'd cut apple slices for her school lunch tomorrow.
- Brett Nordquist
i promised myself id get a new iphone
- Tyler Gillies
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
- Jean-Marie Gall
Just give me a stable iPhone OS 3.0. No need for new hardware bells and whistles ...
- Clarence Chiang
THERE IS A NEED!
- Tyler Gillies
If it was Banana Computers we'd just get more phallic jokes.
- Dean Clark
Will they announce the new Iphone tomorrow? I'm ready to make the switch. I'm just hesitant about AT&T, like when Robert called in on the Gilmor Gang take 2 from his car the quality sounded terrible.
- Stephen Pickering
LOL~!!! Awesome scoble.
- Adam Jackson
I BET it will be called iPhone Video. Expecting so much [new] video functions, so that it will be BASED on video. We'll see
- Konstantin
will this start a new meme?
- Dickson Loh
Dickson: it's a meme I've been on since 1977 when my dad brought home an Apple II and Hyde Jr. High let me help unbox its first Apple II.
- Robert Scoble
Occasionally I use my iPhone to make phone calls.
- Brett Nordquist
Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers
- Khaled A
The only thing about the camera in the front is how do you see what you are taking a photo of?
- Stephen Pickering
Brett, what is the call quality like? I've been on CDMA my whole cell phone life, well except for the analog years
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, it's for video chat
- Konstantin
Ah, so there's a lens in the back too? Duh... I know
- Stephen Pickering
All this for a new camera?
- Nikolaj Stenberg
No there's a faster processor
- Stephen Pickering
600mhz I think
- Stephen Pickering
all this for a major conference
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler: you're right, 50 "Apples" is too many. I should have only put 43 here. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if they will make a Touch with ear and mouthpiece so that with a MiFi card you could have an Iphone on the Verizon or Sprint network
- Stephen Pickering
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- Q B
GTFO 4chan fag :)
- Tyler Gillies
Stephen: The quality seems OK. I was with Sprint and Verizon the past 8 years. I like the iPhone for the apps and it's like having a mini-computer with me at all times. The few calls I make sound OK but not wonderful.
- Brett Nordquist
Is Friendfeed where you guys hang out when Twitter is slow? More action here tonigh!
- Brett Nordquist
+1 patrick, yeah ive had to clear all authorized computers more than once because of that
- Tyler Gillies
brett -- when isn't twitter slow? ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Thanks Brett, that's what I thought. Btw Twitter is ALWAYS slow, always has been even when there was no one on it
- Stephen Pickering
Brett: what's Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
robert: LOL
- Tyler Gillies
bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer... I wish I could live in the U.S sometimes...
- Orli Yakuel
Good point about Twitter being slow. Sure does seem that way the past while.
- Brett Nordquist
Orli: going to an Apple press conference is over rated. I live 45 minutes away and I'm not tempted.
- Robert Scoble
Today is a good day. I can't wait.
- Jim Williams
I bought two iPhones in March so I won't be upgrading for a while. I got my spouse one wondering if she'd use it. And now there's no way I could pry it out of her hands. She's taken to it like I would have never imagined. She's into the simple games, but she LOVES it.
- Brett Nordquist
one way I am hoping a great, revolutionary new iphone, so that I can admire it. OTOH I am hoping my iphone 3g is not obsolete tomorrow...
- Alpay Erturkmen
By the way, both Mike Arrington and my iPhones have tons of cracks on the screen in a very similar pattern. I wonder what that means?
- Robert Scoble
damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too...
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- Yuvi
Yuvi: Apple's always been that way yet I keep going to the Apple store and handing over my cash.
- Robert Scoble
نرین وسط تکست فیدما عنتر
- hasrat
The service is what is too costly
- Stephen Pickering
actually i heard a cheap iphone rumor
- Tyler Gillies
For a student living in a second-third world country? Hell yea! :)
- Yuvi
Well Apple has always been kind of US centric
- Stephen Pickering
Not just Apple - Not a single retailer ships to India :( Amazon, Newegg, nobody :
- Yuvi
I wonder if that's a Government regulation thing?
- Stephen Pickering
FriendFeed ships to India!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, it is. But when Cafepress can ship, why can't Amazon!
- Yuvi
Electrons always get free shipping :D
- Yuvi
i pay for my electron shipment
- Tyler Gillies
I had this problem when I ran a internet retailer out of my house. I'd get orders from England and such but the tarriff would be as much or more than the order
- Stephen Pickering
Also, an iPhone even with a contract is INR 32,000 - which is around 700$. That sucks.
- Yuvi
In India they don't do subsidies?
- Stephen Pickering
32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone!
- Louis Trapani
Stephen: NO. I'd gladly fork over 200$, even 300$ for an iPhone, even with a contract! BUT NO SIR, YOU ARE NOT GETTING ONE! iPhones are for the RIIIICCH!
- Yuvi
Yeah but you know how much our monthly service is here? $120 per month
- Stephen Pickering
Tomorrow is gonna be amazing...just wait and see. I've already said too much ;)
- Andru Edwards
120 i would blow on non iphone junk
- Tyler Gillies
Andru: you suck. Now send me a DM about what's coming in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
In Russia they pay about $12 per month for cell phone service and yet one of the companies I'm invested in Vimpel makes as good or better margins than US carriers. How is that?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: So basically you're getting ripped off by the Telcos, while we're getting ripped off by Apple :) I spend about 6$ a month, for about 30 hours of talktime and 750 free outgoing messages a day :)
- Yuvi
12 USD?
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah, that's my point, and yet I bet the carriers in India make the same amount of money as ours
- Stephen Pickering
Just seen a post by Leo Laporte, went something like; Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre - - - - - - Just kidding, we all love Leo!! :)
- Jim Connolly
Tyler, actually more like $8 USD, and as Yuvi just said in India he only pays 6 USD!
- Stephen Pickering
tech news-- the post i saw had more cuss words in it ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Why is service in the US so much more expensive, the real estate for towers?
- Stephen Pickering
stephen -- because they know we'll pay
- Tyler Gillies
And I'm kinda 'higher end' :P A few of my friends spend about 1-2$ a month, and still get those free texts :)
- Yuvi
Yuvi, I'm gonna cry
- Stephen Pickering
i actually didn't think 120 a month was very high heh. now im shocked
- Tyler Gillies
Cell phone service used to be very costly - around 20 bucks a minute (that'd be 50 cents) when it first came on in - ten years ago. Then Reliance happened, everyone got a mobile :)
- Yuvi
I only found this out when I invested in a Russian carrier
- Stephen Pickering
If I could avoid iTunes (which I despise), and were I able to afford multiple mobile contracts, I might consider an iPhone. But damn, I just want the thing to show up as mass storage. And I want a file browser.
- Christopher A Carr
Now, for 3$ a month, I can call other Vodafone numbers for 10paise (that'd be, 0.20 cents NOT 20 cents), and other numbers for 49paise (that's around 1 cent). Not bad at all :)
- Yuvi
Let's hope for the release of Snow Leopard and Apple OS 3.0!
- Peter Kruit
So, how much do americans pay for mobile service?
- Yuvi
How much is 1 rupee worth. I just watched Slumdog
- Stephen Pickering
Yuvi: this is why Android is so interesting. I think long term that Android is going to be how most people get a cell phone with the power of an iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL.
- A.T.
Yuvi, my bill is over 100 bucks a month
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: The ballpark rate is around 50 rupees for one usd.
- Yuvi
I agree, Robert. It won't be long before Android matches the polish of iPhone's OS and WebOS
- Christopher A Carr
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!
- Larry Hudson
OK, so he was still a USD millionaire
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: And how much do you use it? I mean, how much do you talk?
- Yuvi
reliance?
- Tyler Gillies
@Scoble: You know when Android would reach critical mass? When the cheap knockoff Chinese mobile makers embrace it.
- Yuvi
All the time because its my only phone. But my plan only allows 900 minutes, but you get free weekends and after work hours. I think I average 1000 minutes a month
- Stephen Pickering
Yuvi: I hear there are 12 Android phones shipping this year. It's only a matter of time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure the BigInJapan folks would appreciate a camera that will work for their barcode app.
- Christopher A Carr
hope the new iphone has a macro lens
- Tyler Gillies
Yuvi: They already are.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: did you see the Android phones that were handed out at Google's I/O conference? They are very nice. I think they passed Nokia and Microsoft with that effort and have Palm and Apple in sight.
- Robert Scoble
The "magic," yes, I did. It's a much more attractive handset than the G1, which is what Android needs at this point.
- Christopher A Carr
I wonder what Bono will do to McNamee if the Palm thing doesn't work out
- Stephen Pickering
Christopher: I'm not sure! A Chinese phone with a very big screen sells for around 90-100$. The only reason they're not as popular as Sony Ericsson and Nokia is the shitty software on them. If they have Android, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. So would millions of people here.
- Yuvi
Yuvi: since Android is open source and free to put on phones I expect the Chinese will catch on within months. Especially since Android is getting better and better and selling better and better too.
- Robert Scoble
Yuvi: Lenovo has an Android-running handset, for the Chinese market, coming out soon. Not sure it's all that cheap, though...
- Christopher A Carr
I hope so Scoble, I hope so.
- Yuvi
Scoble,Yuvi: Chinese sets which come to India are without IMEI number which means, they are ILLEGAL
- Manish Sinha
Not Lenovo. Nameless factories that churn out mobiles, Christopher. Some have pirated copies of WiMo, and most have some shitty homemade OS.
- Yuvi
@Manish: A friend of mine just bought one two weeks ago. My uncle uses one. Pop on any train, and you'll find a lot of people using these. I'm not too sure about illegality - I think they might've now gotten IMEI numbers.
- Yuvi
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- Alp
Yuvi: As Robert said, it's a free mobile OS. China doesn't lack for Linux hackers...I'm sure Android-running cheapies will be common in the near future.
- Christopher A Carr
Also, do cheap Chinese knockoffs appear in the US much?
- Yuvi
Yuvi: not really.
- Robert Scoble
Not particularly.
- Christopher A Carr
Yuvi: Some of my friends too use it. Indian Govt has asked all Telecom Operator to block mobiles without IMEI number but the telecos are reluctant. I large number of people still do use phones without IMEI number, so telecos will lose a lot of customers.
- Manish Sinha
What's an IMEI number?
- Stephen Pickering
<Insert Customary Link to Wikipedia>
- Yuvi
I would like a really high-spec Android-running device. Something with a higher res screen, real camera, etc...talking higher-end hardware than, say, and iPhone.
- Christopher A Carr
Also, an iPhone or Pre would be *very* vulnerable to theft. Some jackass stole my SE phone a week ago, an iPhone or Pre would be much more valuble targets!
- Yuvi
If someone steals my G1, and is stupid enough not to turn it off, I can track it.
- Christopher A Carr
yuvi -- my iphone never leaves my body and i wear pants with deep pockets on purpose ;)
- Tyler Gillies
So Robert, will you be going down to the Apple store this time in case something is released?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: nope. Although I have my Prius all ready. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
i want safari4linux from Apple. Please, Robert say them "the penguin wants apple very much!"
- Hüseyin Mert
Mert: Fat chance :) They won't even release a non-sucky passable iTunes for Windows...
- Yuvi
Huseyin: You want a Linux version of Safari? Why, when Chrome is in the works?
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, same here - I think I'll just be ready to dart if it looks like something's going to sell worth getting. It sure would be nice if the Apple stores could have custom feeds straight from Apple during the Keynotes. I think they'd get a lot more business around that time if they did.
- Jesse Stay
An interesting thing about Safari4 beta for Windows is that it looks Windows-native -- wonder if that's in the works for iTunes for Windows at some point...
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: have you tried official release or chromium. Both sucks. So, why apple ignore linux? this would be the question.
- Hüseyin Mert
Same reason almost every other corp. in the world ignores Linux (on the desktop)
- Yuvi
They are in development stages and are not nearly ready to be primary browsers. Chrome for Windows is much better than Safari 4 for Windows.
- Christopher A Carr
linux on the desktop is just lame. server cool. desktop fail. end of story
- Tyler Gillies
+1 Tyler. And I'm sayin that from an Ubuntu box
- Yuvi
If you're using Ubuntu, you ought to try Linux Mint...a much more polished distro UI-wise, built from Ubuntu.
- Christopher A Carr
mint isn't"built" from ubuntu. it IS ubuntu
- Tyler Gillies
When is Safari going to have separate processes per tab?
- Christopher A Carr
and its not the "polish" that makes it fail. its the design, it was created as a server OS
- Tyler Gillies
That's becoming less and less the case, Tyler. Have you tried the latest Mint?
- Christopher A Carr
last mint i installed was elyssa
- Tyler Gillies
Gloria is a considerable improvement.
- Christopher A Carr
Elyssa was Mint 5. They are on 7 now.
- Christopher A Carr
im not saying its a bad os. it just fails when compared to windows 7 or mac osx
- Tyler Gillies
The "built for servers" point is a bit odd considering OSX's history...
- Christopher A Carr
mushrooms! mushrooms!
- Ben
Well, heck then I'm not getting Linux because my Mac Beach Balls enough as it is
- Stephen Pickering
badgers badgers badgers! ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Stephen, Macs don't crash. The funny commercial said so...
- Christopher A Carr
osx is bsd. thats a different story ;)
- Tyler Gillies
hehehehehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, that was my point, Tyler. At any rate, let's not risk touching off a silly OS fight. Until recently, I was tri-booting Mint7, OS 10.5.x, and Win7, on my netbook.
- Christopher A Carr
menage a trois
- Tyler Gillies
Indeed. Ended up with a Mint7/Win7 dual boot. OSX's UI isn't great on the little screen. Ran just fine, though.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher I downloaded Windows 7 on a Sun Virtual Box. Is there anyway I can make it fill up the whole screen or can I only do that with boot camp?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, first of all, you're not seeing all the Win7 prettiness without hardware acceleration. And yes, you should be able to go full screen with VB.
- Christopher A Carr
isn't virtualbox a piece of software?
- Tyler Gillies
Yes, tyler, for installing OSes in virtual machines.
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, I haven't played with it because it just sits there in its little box. No fun. But Leo Laporte was saying that Virtual had come so far that there was hardly any difference
- Stephen Pickering
I'll boot camp it
- Stephen Pickering
It runs nice in a VM, but, yeah, to really try it out, you should consider installing it on real hardware.
- Christopher A Carr
i installed windows xp in virtualbox from linux on a gateway because that was the only way i could get the drivers to work without the oem install cd
- Tyler Gillies
I had Vista for a while on this Imac, but then it stopped working because it was a 350 dollar Home edition I bought for my Parents and licensed for only one machine! Oh that made me so mad
- Stephen Pickering
I mean Vista Boot camped until it wouldn't let me log in anymore
- Stephen Pickering
And yes, it was beautiful, so I can imagine what Win 7 woudl look like, now I'm drooling, must boot camp. Think I'll do that now, as it looks like no sleep tonight
- Stephen Pickering
Virtual Box has a "seamless mode," which lets you launch windows apps seemingly in Linux - sort of hides the guest OS. I would stick the XP bar on the side of my Linux desktop...elicited lots of "what the fucks?" **edit** This was with Linux as the host and XP as the guest, which works better than the other way around.
- Christopher A Carr
Time to get a DVD out
- Stephen Pickering
anyone have a blueray player?
- Tyler Gillies
Getting a blueray burner for my desktop PC next month.
- Christopher A Carr
Oops, what happened? Screenabstract from iPhone after firing the device up? :-)
- Mark Jacobs
is it worth the upgrade?
- Tyler Gillies
You mean video quality-wise, from a DVD?
- Christopher A Carr
yes
- Tyler Gillies
on a 1080P screen, absolutely. And sound...much better.
- Christopher A Carr
@Tyler not only blu ray looks great, but most players will also upscale dvds to make em look great
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
is blueray 1080p?
- Tyler Gillies
most blu rays are 1080p, some earlier ones were 720p... check the box... it usually says if is 1080p
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I hope Apple finaly introduces blu ray support in snow leopard.
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
If you've ever watched something like a football game via an uncompressed, over-the-air HD signal, it's even a little better than that...
- Christopher A Carr
apple is really getting uncreative with their naming schemes. leopard to snow leopard?
- Tyler Gillies
Apple seems to think that we are all going to have 100MPBS down connections and 20 TBs of storage sometime in the very near future. So don't hold your breath, Sebastiaan.
- Christopher A Carr
100 mbps would be nice. i have 3
- Tyler Gillies
Apple would prefer to sell us high-def content via iTunes.
- Christopher A Carr
does perian have blueray?
- Tyler Gillies
here in the netherlands, they don't even sell movies yet or tv shows, or you can't rent movies either... so that sux, no blu ray support.. As far as i know, macs with vlc or perian can play ts mpeg streams.... thats not the issue
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Tyler, bandwidth and storage is the issue. A physical medium like Blue Ray disc solves those problems.
- Christopher A Carr
100 mbps? I have 256kbps
- Yuvi
is that isdn?
- Tyler Gillies
I've 7 mbps. There are places where one can get a residential 100mpbs connection. Tokyo, for instance. Verizon is doing fiber to the residence in some parts of the US, with 50mbps connections available, I think.
- Christopher A Carr
It's ADSL
- Yuvi
DSL rather
- Yuvi
i live on an island i think the highest we have here is 11 mbps
- Tyler Gillies
Most of Europe kicks most of the US's ass in the residential bandwidth department...
- Christopher A Carr
256kbps would really make me cry.
- Christopher A Carr
I could've taken 2 mbps, but that'd be capped at 2.5 gigs a month :(
- Yuvi
I have 20mbps connection, but it doesn't go no faster than 6mbps cuz of the distance to telephone adsl switches
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
That's less than one 1080p feature length film, Yuvi.
- Christopher A Carr
yeah benjamin buttons is 7.36 gigs
- Tyler Gillies
Yes, I know. That sucks. That's why I'm on 256kbps uncapped.
- Yuvi
But at 256kbps, you can't really stream video much. Hell, even Pandora might be flaky.
- Christopher A Carr
Pandora is geotarded to the US. Youtube is shitty :(
- Yuvi
geotarded LOL
- Tyler Gillies
Watching a YouTube vid goes like this - click on play, click on pause, wait for it to download (at approximately 1s/s, so for a 8 min vid, I'd have to wait 8 mins), then watch :(
- Yuvi
Ah, that's right... us damn self-centered Americans. ;) Sorry
- Christopher A Carr
Can you use a web proxy to get Pandora to work?
- Christopher A Carr
i prefer grooveshark over pandora
- Tyler Gillies
I'd suck (with buffering) even if It was direct. With a proxy, no chance!
- Yuvi
Last.fm works though.
- Yuvi
Pandora's built from scratch, fancy database is tough to beat.
- Christopher A Carr
Yuvi: What's the mobile network speed situation there?
- Christopher A Carr
Well, there're two new providers offering 1.5mbps
- Yuvi
In all fairness, there are 16Mbps connections available for Residential users now in India. The problem is they are fixed data limit (20 GB) and fairly expensive (~$60/mo). And 3G EVDO Data Cards with 3.1 Mbps are available as well but again, expensive ~$13/mo for 1GB, ~$25/mo for 10 GB.
- Parth Awasthi
+1 Parth. 20GB at 16Mbps is laughable.
- Yuvi
$25 USD a month for a 3G data plan with a 10GB monthly cap?
- Christopher A Carr
you got that right.
- Parth Awasthi
That's cheap.
- Christopher A Carr
It's not because I'll use those 10GBs in a week at most and then I'll pay $4/GB. In three more weeks, I'll be running a huge bill.
- Parth Awasthi
Other than mobile plans, is it all DSL there? Or do they use coax as well? Any fiber to the residence?
- Christopher A Carr
Wired broadband connections are all DSL or Cable. FTTH is non-existent.
- Parth Awasthi
Those caps are indeed harsh.
- Christopher A Carr
I think I'm capped at 250GB per month.
- Christopher A Carr
250GB per month at a monthly price? I was earlier at 256Kbps to 2Mbps 1GB/monthly cap at $5/month. Now shifted to 256Kbps constant uncapped at $15/month.
- Manish Sinha
Yuvi: Airtel is providing 16MBps for home, but it was a joke. 20GB cap on 16Mbps line is a joke. Even if you bit mistake hit download and it gets download before you can cancel, then you have wasted a lot from your allowed cake.
- Manish Sinha
Parth: Those 3.1Mbps data cards is a joke. I never got more than 350Kbps ever. To add insult to injury TataIndicom projected in their ads... "3.1Mbps data cards 10GB unlimited"...WTF is "10GB unlimited"???
- Manish Sinha
@Manish: Me on the same plan too! :D
- Yuvi
Manish, the speeds one gets on EVDO are very highly correlated to the signal strength. I have used BSNL EVDO and I consistently got upwards of 1Mbps.
- Parth Awasthi
Best. Fr'eet*. Ever. (*FriendFeed Tweet)
- Pat
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- Mister IQ
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- Susan Beebe
+1 Susan!
- Kevin Whalen
from email
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- Ronald
Orange
- Chad McCoskey
The Apple store in SF doesn't own the window on the side of their building, which can lead to this: http://i.gizmodo.com/5280893...
- RobinDotNet
And gizmodo is blogging live at the event today. http://live.gizmodo.com/ if you're interested.
- RobinDotNet
Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one, Buy me one!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
We have the "We'll be back soon" sticky - http://store.apple.com/ IT'S GO TIME!
- Mike Bracco
Someone's really trying to keep the doctor away..
- JonInteractive
NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.
- Steven Perez
ROFL! DYSP!
- Jim Addz No Value
lol
- Johnny
Microsoft.
- Sharron Field
See, that's just how a Mac gets a sad face :(
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
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- Mark Jacobs
Imagine ~ Create ~ Play ~ Apple.
- Kryptic
RT YouTube XL Released; It’s YouTube Made for the TV - http://mashable.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/the-nex...)
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Fred Davis liked this
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I think that was the marketing goal of Microsoft's search team.
- Robert Scoble
So.... you like?
- Chris Foley
oy.
- drew olanoff
Or, Caching!
- Jesse Stay
Chris: yeah, but not enough to switch.
- Robert Scoble
Is today the public launch?
- Allen S.
Chris, at least not enough to switch for most searches. But for shopping, video, and travel, they have a good shot there.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like a Vegas slot machine :)
- Nir Ben Yona
BONG!
- Amit Morson
I like that you can scroll over porn videos and they automatically play! hehehehehe. Got that from TechCrunch's MG Siegler artcle just now and that LOIC is twittering about it
- Stephen Pickering
I've run several product reviews searches. It sure is FAST.
- Chris Foley
Kurt: I won't say anything about that, but, yes, it's already a great porn search engine.
- Robert Scoble
Ok Ok Ok, I'm coming. Hold your horses. I know it says ring for assistance but......
- dedlam
Total number of results is - as with all search engines - completely inaccurate and changes when you drill into the results.
- petitesphrases
dedlam: hehehe. I just had to do the multiple "bings" because that's what Twitter and friendfeed look like tonight. http://www.bing.com/ is it!
- Robert Scoble
bing is now live. live is now bing.
- ronald widha
Oh definitely, Craigslist, now Tumblr
- Stephen Pickering
I quite like the look and feel. colorful but not too overbaring
- ronald widha
I agree with Ronald. Looks very nice. I hope this gives Goog some competition. Finally. And a search deal with Yahoo! would only help. Sounds like Carol Bartz is open to that.
- Allen S.
@scobleizer I know what you mean. And Google's WAVEing back
- dedlam
I'm digging Bing, against my better judgement. Microsoft may finally be on to something. We'll see if I stick with it. #bing
- Don MacAskill
burp. yawn.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Dont you mean cha-ching! cha-ching! cha-ching! ? I bet that's the sound MS is really looking for...
- Seth Blank
http://www.bing.com/search... this is how a search engine should work ;p
- Janos P Toth
Second impression: 10 blue links.
- Janos P Toth
Hey Robert, I want to hear that on a CinchCast recording that I can play as my alarm message when I wake up.
- Jesse Stay
Results for the magical words. " friend feed bing! " http://www.bing.com/search...
- Mac Sharp
Ping?
- Tyson Key
Robert: You need to pace yourself....or you will be all Bing'ed out!
- Clifford Kennedy
I'm enjoying the nice backgrounds of photos from around the world on Bing. OTOH, that history of all my searches showing up on the side reminds me of always having to delete spams from my yahoo account---yuk! Too Much To Handle. I don't like all that clutter at ALL. Will deter me from any use!
- Elizabeth Good
Son of a BING!! BING is causing my firefox to crash when I mouseover a video result!
- Gaurav
Gaurav: Safari crashed on me too a couple of times when doing that.
- Robert Scoble
...fries are done! Oh wait, that's ding.
- Gurpreet
It's nice but I think there is too much hype over a name and a nice design.
- Charles Naut
Most glaring omission for me: No chronological filtering... last 24hrs, week, month year, etc Most times, I don't want to see 2006 in my results!
- Jeff Weber
I'm excited too but, damn.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Bing! Bong! Bing! Bong! Bing, yet to Bong!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from Nambu
not enough! yet
- ★ Soner Gönül
Jeeeez! I thought you had not recovered from your weekend on the Nimitz. Silly me.
- Francine Hardaway
it's not bad
- Thomas Power
But It's Not Google! But It's Not Google! But It's Not Google! But It's Not Google!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
"I'm dreaming of my search results, just like the ones that google shows" (sung to the tune of White Christmas by Bing Crosby)
- jcunwired
Heh, whilst I'm by no means a fan of Microsoft, or an apologist for them (such things exist? ;)), it is a pretty good attempt from them. I haven't had a look at the rest of Bing's functionality, though.
- Tyson Key
Anyone willing to do a "Pepsi Test" on Bing, to see how it compares to Google? ;)
- Tyson Key
A big BOO for bing.com redirecting to livesearch on the iPhone. MS is shooting themselves in foot by not making Bing accessible on that platform.
- Andy
I actually like Bing, and I might use it as my default search engine. I should really check *everything* out, though
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
crosby?..sorry had to...
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
I think the Pop Tarts are ready! Unless that was the fire alarm battery...
- Tyson Key
It's just not the same as Google or DuckDuckGo.com.
- Eric
Bing! Bing! Bing! ... BOooOM! i am addicted to google! ;o)
- Fırat DEMİREL
I bing u.
- alireza
Well, in Sweden we haven't got all the features yet apparently. For an example, video search. So no...I'll stick with Google...Google...Google. Repeat it, you will never switch :p
- Patrik Johansson
Patrik: Its in BETA everywhere except the US. I think its good even using the BETA
- Nicholas James
Arrête de boire Bob ! ;)
- Jean-Marie Gall
from twhirl
Patrik, in holland it's very basic as well, I think only the news tab have been implemented here. But from seo point it does suck quite much actually.
- Jaap Willem
So, are you Binging?
- Rubin
****THIS IS ROBERT SCOBLE'S FINEST MOMENT ON FRIENDFEED.****
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
robert the big issue is the focus on hypervideo interactivity. they know the living room and all that they are doing with Xbox and windows TV sync tech it's about hypervideo interactivity with product placement tracking. but no one is catching that ...
- davidlee
OMG I LOVE BING!
- John Shue
I take it you like Bing?
- Hunt
Bing..... Still has a long way to go for me to use it. Possibilities seem like they may be promising. We will have to see what type of ad campaign they will come out with as i see regular internet users not liking the name when they first here about it.
- Chris Nwakalo
Used Bing alot today...I think its great...my new homepage, why? The search functionality is good enough and the video search is fantastick...plus I really like the competition for Google
- Daniel Kenney
I tried Bing for a bunch of things today - Movies, Hotels, Shopping - i.e. the things that it's supposed to be good for. The movie search was reasonable but for that as well as for every other query, I was more clicks from what I wanted than I was with Google. It's their best search engine yet and surprisingly close, but it's not quite there.
- Robin Barooah
Yep, it looks like Microsoft is really on to something here. I am looking forward to trying Google Wave as well.
- Michael Bazzoni
bing bing?
- Jason Pollock
bing 127.0.0.1 http://www.bing.com/search...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I just searched "why bing?" on bing. Bing wasn't aware of its presence. Nothing related on the first page. I recommend a better name for this, Bang. Apparently it is welcomed as a porn search engine.
- Cem ARGUN
you can also 'xrank' your searches for data. there's no data at the moment on robert scoble, but here's one on leo laporte: http://www.bing.com/xrank...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
On Twitter I'm getting TONS of DM spam from playspymaster.com. I don't play games. This is yet another thing broken with Twitter.
Darren Scott Monroe, Paul Papadimitriou, Luis Enrique León and 36 other people liked this
yeah that sucks. the provide the opt-out though. http://playspymaster.com/optout
- Aldiantoro Nugroho
You are not the only one - who is this person Sent on the Now Network� from my Sprint® BlackBerry
- Lionel Spearman
from email
This is different from Facebook how?
- Zach Flauaus
A rather shady opt-out procedure, they should set up something like TweetLater's @optmeout
- 321
It's not the game, it's the people playing it. Hard for Twitter to filter when the tweets are actually coming from the various players and they have to intentionally send you the DM's, they are not automatic. Hate the players, not the game.
- Shultzman
@aldi - but this kind of thing should be opt-IN. Anything else is spam. Spymaster is sliding further and further up my crappy-app scale. It's very close to knocking "Facebook Top-5 App" and Mafia Wars off the number one spot.
- Andy Bold
The DM's are Twitter users sending invites. It's hard to opt-in to something before you have been invited. I do agree that they should add some logic that if you have received a recent DM invite, that it should not send you any more when other users also DM the same person with an invite.
- Shultzman
QUOTE: Shultzman "It's not the game, it's the people playing it. Hard for Twitter to filter when the tweets are actually coming from the various players and they have to intentionally send you the DM's, they are not automatic. Hate the players, not the game." It's not far off from FB games, but still, don't hat the playa's - if it brings a measure of joy.
- Laurel Phelps LaFlamme
Zach: I haven't gotten an email from Facebook for years. And that's in email where i can filter them out. I can't filter these suckers out in Twitter's DM. It's VERY VERY VERY lame. But DM was already lame. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it's time to split Twitter? Already discussed elsewhere about how Twitter might become more of a feed protocol for other apps an places - perhaps we now need "Twitter for Apps" - something that is specifically for this kind of app-based communication?
- Andy Bold
I'm getting stacks of those spymaster dm's too.
- Jim Connolly
Even better- Spymaster overlords - set up a Spymaster group at Friendfeed and throw the messages into /that/ instead of Twitter...
- Andy Bold
I agree completely I have gotten almost 25 DMs of people joining my spymaster group. So, I just turned them off. It was cool for a day, but just got boring and Annoying.
- TheHenry
I thought you didn't use DMs Robert? I thought you told everybody to email you instead.
- Zach Flauaus
Zach: I tried that for a long time but gave up on it. Everyone uses DMs and the DM feature sucks so much I really can't stand it.
- Robert Scoble
wait a little more :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
Ouriel: I opted out, that should solve this one. But if this becomes like Facebook app spam just watch out! Twitter users aren't used to being spammed like that.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, Twitter sux! But what do I care... I'm still locked out of Twitter... my account was hacked a few weeks ago (lists me as Jose Perez!!!)... and despite MANY, MANY emails to Twitter... they are asleep at the wheel... no reply, no access... I'm just waiting in fear that my Twitter account wasn't hacked so it could be used by a spammer :-(
- Fred Davis
Fred: Twitter are notoriously poor at tech support. I had same experience with my account.
- Jim Connolly
Yeah, I knew their Quality of Service was abysmal... shoulda guessed tech support was, too...
- Fred Davis
They've had millions of dollars in funding - how hard would it be to hire some motivated tech support people?
- Jim Connolly
Isn't "motivated tech support" usually an oxymoron? ;-) But, yeah, they need some customer service...
- Andy Bold
Well, the funding wasn't given to them to build a quality product, it was provided to get a fat ROI by selling it for zillions, and letting the buyer worry about fixing it... caveat emptor!
- Fred Davis
Unfollow me if you don't like it. I'm a gamer. Won't hurt my feelings. Oh and I also ask users if they want an invite, I don't blast them out. That's just me. But if your "friends" do, why are you following them again?
- Bwana ☠
Don't play games on Twitter or ever?
- Louis Gray
Bwana: I follow tons of people. Many of whom play games and many of whom don't realize the consequences of sending out invites.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: I very rarely play games, actually. I usually give them to my son to play and I watch. I do play some casual games once in a while, but get bored very quickly.
- Robert Scoble
...I think it's actually an interesting social game. on one hand, you get points the more you broadcast your exploits in the game -- theoretically, you could shut down every announcement and message -- while competing against other game players. otoh, you risk spamming and annoying your followers who could care less about it. it calls into question what you value more about social media: your own entertainment, or your online relationships.
- .LAG liked that
Twitter's response to this has been one of the most promising things I've seen in awhile: http://groups.google.com/group...
- Jesse Stay
I like how I got 0 invites in my DM Box when Spymaster came out. It means I'm doing a decent job managing my followers.
- Bwana ☠
Sometimes it's good to be the little guy :)
- Bwana ☠
Jesse: It says a lot about the poor way users are treated by Twitter, that you were so impressed with their response to your suggestion. In fairness, most of us don't even get a reply - so you did well just getting them to acknowledge you exist. I appreciate your relationship with them is deeper than the 'regular' users, but they REALLY suck at customer care.
- Jim Connolly
If Twitter adds filters, there goes the simplicity
- Bwana ☠
Not necessarily a bad thing, just sayin
- Bwana ☠
Tech News Blog, they're actually quite responsive on the developer mailing list. Some times faster than others, but if your question merits an answer from them they usually, eventually, answer. Also, @twitterapi answers questions all the time (Doug Williams). I have to give them credit for that. That said, you know my frustrations.
- Jesse Stay
Spam? What spam? Surely, whatever else you think about Twitter, Twitter has done something different: it provides asymmetric relationships. How can there be "spam", whether direct (private) or public, when each of us decides whether or not to follow? Surely unfollowing removes unwanted messages? In any case, when following tens of thousands, the volume of messages is such that you are more likely using some kind of "search" anyway.
- John W Lewis
John, the problem here is that there are actually legitimate users that I want to follow and just happen to be playing this game as well. Twitter needs to allow me a way to block just the app and not the user. Facebook and FriendFeed both provide this. Twitter doesn't.
- Jesse Stay
Spymaster posts via web
- Bwana ☠
Bwana they're not using the API to post? That will get them kicked off Twitter pretty quick.
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Jesse. For some time, the case has been emerging for services which allow separate control of segments of other people's streams. I am not familiar with this app; but others are reporting that the user (rather than the app) is initiating the message; so are they not damaging their own reputation by emitting this stuff. In the absence of (future) segmentation, could they not choose to create extra accounts for these purposes?
- John W Lewis
I'm just looking at the Twitter posts, they say "via web"
- Bwana ☠
See http://twitter.com/Bwana... Maybe I'm misunderstanding the app filtering you're describing
- Bwana ☠
While we're at it, can we filter out #followfriday, #unfollowdiddy, #stupid3lettermemes, etc..... slippery slope
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, every app on Twitter is saying "via web" right now. Check out Louis Gray's post on it (and my latest).
- Jesse Stay
from email
Oh, that's.... broken
- Bwana ☠
Bwana that's different - users are generating those. In this case SpyMaster is generating the message. Users should have a right to block it. And yes, regardless, more filters to block stuff like that would also be appropriate. Let the users decide what they want to see. I don't see the slippery slope here.
- Jesse Stay
from email
Users have total control over Spymaster's tweets, I don't see a difference
- Bwana ☠
The difference is spymaster is the one generating the tweets for those users. There's an obvious filter here Twitter could provide.
- Jesse Stay
But the decision is still the user's whether to post or not... I'm not talking about a technical issue here, I'm talking about a management issue
- Bwana ☠
The technical issue I agree with, Twitter *could* filter apps, they *could* filter users, they *could* filter by terms, they *could* filter by date
- Bwana ☠
Bwana I don't care - I still want to follow many of the users posting those, but I don't want to see the spymaster tweets. I'd like a filter to turn those off, and it's a pretty easy one on Twitter's end.
- Jesse Stay
The thing is, will they?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana see the link I posted - they're going to talk about it tomorrow - it looks promising
- Jesse Stay
Promising? I'll believe it when it's working for 6 months
- Bwana ☠
Filtering brings back memories of Track.
- Bwana ☠
Even if it's at the app level
- Bwana ☠
Social responsibility is in the eye of the receiver, not the presenter. I could care less what people post as long as I have a way to receive only the tweets I want to receive. That's what I do with Facebook, and it's what I do with FriendFeed. IMO it's not the fault of the users to be sending this stuff - it's the fault of the technology for not allowing us to turn it off.
- Jesse Stay
It's Twitter - and you want to change it
- Bwana ☠
Bwana I don't see how that changes Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Easy - Before you couldn't block apps, now you can
- Bwana ☠
Not implying it's a bad change
- Bwana ☠
But a change nonetheless
- Bwana ☠
It brings Facebook/FriendFeed functionality to Twitter
- Bwana ☠
robert, promised you heads up. check your DM or contact me for more details ouriel.ohayon@gmail.com
- Ouriel Ohayon
I think Twiiter somehow needs to go through users and get rid of spammers, or give users a spam filter similar to what you have with mail
- Asgeir
Twitter needs better filters
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
yeh, twitter also needs a better search, a better native web app, and a better backend
- Kirill Bolgarov
Robert this might help with a lot of the DM spam - http://bit.ly/23VREp
- Sean Malarkey
Sean, or you can just sign up for SocialToo, set up some filters, and not even have to give those sites traffic to opt out. We'll block them for you if you set up the filters.
- Jesse Stay
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