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Drobo Demo Video Hosted by Cali Lewis - http://youtube.com/watch...
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If she can use it... anyone can, lol
- Xavier Donat
I love my drobos.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh I bet you do Thomas! That's my next buy.
- Xavier Donat
Yeah I got one here for my edit suite. It is nice, but a little quirky with Apple Time Machine.
- Drew Lucas
My Drobo had some initial trouble (wouldn't boot the second time I tried to bring it up), but it's been solid since then. Slow as hell, mind you, but you've gotta give up some speed for a USB data archive.
- Roger Benningfield
Man, I can't turn around without hearing how great drobo is. It is making it really hard to not get one.
- Andy Roth
@Andy Roth hahaha same here, drobo it THE buzz right now.
- Xavier Donat
The price has dropped at amazon.com. I haven't yet received mine, and still filed for the price-difference refund
- InsaneNinja
Still looking for drobos? :-)
- Carol Linden
Oh YES I still want / need one for sure.
- Xavier Donat
Why I am not leaving Twitter - http://qik.com/video/120512
mhmazidi, Mitchell Tsai, Rex Hammock and 27 other people liked this
The quality of the post from the people... BINGO!
- Rom Feria
Good vid / reasoning Robert, but one question. You put a high value on the "real time" nature of Twitter (for good reason), but are you really highlighting the real time nature of Twitter via Google Talk? i.e.: is the "client" adding some of that value? If so, could FF in GT be of equal value?
- Kevin C. Tofel
The client is certainly adding some of the value and, yes, I'd LOVE to see XMPP in FriendFeed so I could do the same thing here.
- Robert Scoble
cheers to that! Need a client for FF, Ping.FM, etc. - just ONE client please. :D
- Rom Feria
Agreed. At the end of the day, I don't care about the network or the protocol used. I just want a real-time conversation aggregator.
- Kevin C. Tofel
"FriendFeed...Twitter...they go to-ge-ther". Damn you Robert I can't get that jingle out of my head now.
- Mark Krynsky
thank you... easier just to point people to this qik :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Funny that I was listening to Gillmor Gang when I started this video.
- Robert Scoble
no, Twitter is leaving you, that's the problem. Even if you want to stay, they don't let us play :-)
- Duncan Riley
Now I have Scoble singing in my head.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
I agree Twitter is leaving Scoble
- Fred Grott
Hmmm... interesting timing for this. But, I agree!
- Barbara K. Baker
Here's my response to you Scoble - http://qik.com/video/120649
- Corvida
Won't TWEET just become a protocol and google create a clearing house or collection place fro tweets? Is Twitter the Right answer?
- John McElhenney 2.0
my guess is that you already have a lot of followers on twitter and will stay there to the bitter end because it is the path of least resistance. Eventually the features that make twitter so great will be available on other platforms, plurk for example, and while it's easy to stop a spammer on Plurk (as soon as the first person exposes the spammer/bot no one will follow them unlike twitter where scrape bots have the same juice as anyone else.
- Darren Daz Cox
National Mall/Lincoln Memorial at night - http://qik.com/video/113018
Frederick Johnson, Vinodh Nandakumar, Larry Huffman and Mitchell Tsai liked this
Brings back memories of DC from 1987-90 when I used to bike around at night in DC before going home to Arlington/Vienna
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, me too! I remember getting up one morning at 3 am in the summer of '90 and going down to sit on the steps of the Memorial and watch the sunrise. Thanks for posting this Robert.
- Larry Huffman
It's too dangerous for me to bike around at night. I'd get MUGGED! And I live here
- brie sansotta
Photographers: PhotoCycle is up. First show with Ansel Adams son and Pro photog Marc Silber. http://www.fastcompany.tv/photocy...
Mrsth, Taylor, roel and 22 other people liked this
The video is "jumpy" - is this a server issue or video issue or my connection issue??
- Justin Korn
Justin: sometimes it jumps for processor utilization reasons. Other times because of bandwidth issues. I usually download the videos to my local hard drive by subscribing to the Rss feed in iTunes.
- Robert Scoble
I've added the feed to miro... looking forward to watching the first ep after it downloads.
- Grant Bierman
It seems the issues were only at the beginning. Seems to be running fine now...thanks!
- Justin Korn
Don't miss the music that Ansel himself recorded (he played piano before picking up photography as a career). Also you'll see Thomas Hawk who was along for the shoot and will show up in future segments. Finally this has video of Ansel that has never been seen before from the family's personal collection (we show you him going through the same closed gate we did - Yosemite opened up Glacier Point just for us so we could shoot there.
- Robert Scoble
wow, I did NOT know Ansel Adams played piano before picking up photography - amazing talent!! thanks for sharing... wish i could have been on that trip you and Thomas Hawk went on with Ansel's son
- Susan Beebe
Stuart: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Great job on the video. Nice to have the place to yourself I imagine. I look forward to more of these.
- Andrew Smith
That was a very good debut. I hope there will be more episodes from your trip to Yosemite.
- Andy Roth
It's really impressive Robert. Is there any way to get it full screen?
- Victor Ryden
Yes. If you subscribe to the RSS feed, you can download it and play it on any player you want, but you should be able to click a button in the player which will load it full screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, really nice work, nice camera work, great editing, touching story. Can't wait to see more
- Bryan Thatcher
from twhirl
Good work Robert. Subscribed!
- Chris Nixon
Really digging this Robert. Will be tuning on regularly.
- Tsega Dinka
Congrats, Robert. I've been looking forward to this since you first announced it. Will definitely be following.
- Taylor
Ok, so a few days ago everyone said we should do SmugMug's new product announcement here on FriendFeed. We're ready in ~30 minutes. Are you? Is this gonna fly? Does a tree falling in an empty forest make a sound? :)
Frederick Johnson, Christian Farley, Paul Buchheit and 15 other people liked this
SmugMug = falling tree?
- Pat Hawks
i can't wait!
- Phill Price
Is it shiny? I likes shiny
- Bwana ☠
with bated breath we wait
- torr
Looking forward to it. I love the continuous improvement of Smugmug.
- Luke Foust
maybe the removal of "fleeing flickr" so I can get some referral love :) That'd be cool, those who haven't run from flickr probably belong there LOL (j/k)
- Jason
3 minutes late. Lame.
- Mark Trapp
I feel used. :)
- Bwana ☠
Where?
- EricaJoy
A case study in not announcing new products until they're already live! Is that what was announced? What did I win? I kid, I kid.
- Mark Trapp
Announced on FriendFeed first! :) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Don MacAskill
@Mark Trapp: Hahaha! We *hate* announcing features before they're live. Can't believe so many companies do it. Not sure we ever have - and I hope we never do.
- Don MacAskill
Looks like it worked. We made a noise. :) Thanks everyone!
- Don MacAskill
Just talked with one of Obama's top tech guys. Invited us to breakfast on Thursday. Interesting stories about how they are using tech.
Steve Eichert, Benedikt Koehler, Michael McGimpsey and 49 other people liked this
I'm planning to mimic as much of Obama's social media strategy as I can at my non-profit. Can't wait to hear your report.
- John Frost
make sure NOT to wear your flip-flops
- Marc Canter
Are you allowed to divulge the name of this "top tech guy" If so please do.
- James
I would love to see a Scoble video interview with this person. Please ask what is working/not working in their online campaign. Robert, do you remember our discussion about social media and campaigns after the Gary V. Book signing in S.F.?
- Michael Carter
Stick to the tech, try not to turn it into a free campaign video,
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I received an email from a recruiter on LinkedIn for Obama wanting DEVELOPERS... anyone want a job for Obama...let me know!!
- Susan Beebe
What type of developers, Susan?
- Mark Trapp
Alec Ross is his name.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert. I appreciate it. Headed off on a search now.
- James
Wow... I hope this breakfast will be on Qik or Kyte. :)
- Daynah
James, cool. I am not sure yet the breakfast will be on the record. Getting permission to do interviews with campaign staff members is pretty tricky. Will let you know.
- Robert Scoble
any chance you can hook us up so they can offer a Conduit toolbar?
- Guy
Re: Sponsorships and Blogger Hypocrisy - http://www.winextra.com/2008...
Frederick Johnson liked this
"Funny that Seagate has never asked me to do anything. In fact, they wanted to make it clear that they sponsor my video show. The CEO likes that show because I get a wide variety of people in the tech industry on it. And, anyway, let's say that someone did sponsor your show and asked you to do something abnormal: wouldn't your readers be able to see through that? I think I would, especially if you were transparent about the sponsorship. Anyway, sponsors are temporary. Your reputation is permanent. Are you willing to throw your repuation under the bus just for a few grand? Are people really that cynical? Personally I'd celebrate all the companies that are helping people create great content. In fact, that makes me think that I should thank everyone's sponsors on my own blog."
- Robert Scoble
An Important Campaign Announcement from Barack Obama - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I am working on a post about the implication of Friendfeed, Mahalo and other human discovery engines on PR and journalism. Interested in your thoughts please share.
Darren Barefoot, Cindy, Rafael Robayna and 41 other people liked this
I liked and will comment later. There are deep implications at least in the way that I utilize them. I must get ready for the day job now.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
In relationship to news delivery, I hope commentary and reporting don't become blurred. I spend a lot of time in FriendFeed reading, but I still go to traditional news outlets for fact verification. I worry that FriendFeed posts and re-posts, comments could become diluted - the Web 2.0 version of the telephone game.
- Liana Lehua
you put friendfeed and mahalo together?
- Allen Stern
@Allen The FF / Mahalo connection I see is that both aggregate user-submitted content. Even if the content shared by a user on FF is that of a link to a story from a traditional news source (versus a bloggers perspective piece, for example), the ability to add commentary very much makes it a "human discovery engine" (Mahalo).
- Liana Lehua
would someone explain 2 me what Mahalo is. I get the feeling it had something to do with that Calacanis guy n I noticed it listed4example this morning all the newsoutlets coverage of Obama's headscarves censorship. http://www.mahalo.com/Obama_H.... It looks for topics and congregates them on the same page? Wouldn't a google search do that same thing? and why would friendfeed be mentioned in the same concept in this question? Why not just say that the technology has changed language and knowledge
- Noah David Simon
Use Social Media to make the news not let Social Media control the news. We as Social Media journalists report the news to Mass Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
noah - easiest way to describe it - they scrape links off google (news, search, etc) and then add some text from the scraped links to create robust pages of content.
- Allen Stern
I work in PR and the understanding of social media from clients is very thin. Having to explain to a client the importance of having a dialogue with their consumers on an ongoing basis and then needing to explain how much time it will take is quite a challenge. My role is changing, as is the role of PR, from acting on behalf of a company to encouraging companies to engage directly themselves.
- PaulJohnson
friendfeed put me in touch with a lot of voices I had previously not even heard of. I wonder what it will do once it moves out of a small circle of people.
- Günther Mulder
from twhirl
Mahalo is a roach motel, last week I looked for Roadrunner computer on Google, Mahalo was the sixth result so I clicked....three Mahalo pages later I found my way to the IBM home page where I searched again. Now I have a blog post about Roadrunner, but does Mahalo know?
- paul mooney
I'm thinking a new corporate position and title will emerge from all of this. Companies won't want to pay PR hours to monitor and post to the blogosphere and it WILL become a full-time job. Director of online communications?
- Steve Poppe
Every marketer in the world should want to influence and monitor search when it comes to their product or service. Google is one of the top places that people turn to to find information out about products today. FF is essentially building social search disguised as an aggregation service. Social Search will have huge implications in the future. Savvy PR folk will use FF to both monitor and influence search with regards to their brands.
- Thomas Hawk
Journalists want and need fast access to interactive information. FF provides a platform for that, re Marshall's discovery post yesterday, or in fact this very post of yours today Steve. Some early journalists like Chris Nuttall (FT) and Jessica Guynn (LATimes) are already building a presence here. More will come and it will be a resource that they can use to quickly poll and get quotes and source leads.
- Thomas Hawk
seems like pr and journalism have very different needs. pr likes people to reuse teh message. to journalists, that's verging on plagiarism.
- Seth Gottlieb
from twhirl
If you're working in or covering the online community, FF can provide insight into what people are thinking, or can help you identify trends or sources. On the flip side, the potential danger is that since social media haven't hit the broader mainstream, relying on it too much can give you an "inside the beltway" view.
- Dave Pelland
you are talking about Apples and Seeds and then asking about the relevance of fruit. friendfeed is a seed. Google is the fruit and Mahalo is the stupid packaging that makes it look snazzy in the store
- Noah David Simon
While you working on yours, read mine! http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Another instance of precommenting. i liked that
- Varun Mahajan
I actually feel the only way FF is 'part' of journalism/PR is using it as this example. PR people can post updates on client/company news, and have interactive commentary with interested parties. Similarly, journalists can post stories in progress and gain feedback/ideas from the outside world. Just as you have done here. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
I certainly don't think that FF is going to replace PR - there is simply too much value in a compelling story delivered at the right time to be ignored, but I also think that the roles are about to get a lot blurrier, and people are going to find huge success utilizing this stuff to bring new products and services to market.
- Eric Hamilton
Steve - I wrote a post along these lines: "Will Brands Figure Out FriendFeed?" http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008... (I guess those would be my thoughts)
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch -- the bigger question is what does it mean to figure out Social Media for brands (especially big brands). Scoble can explain the Gary V. side of the equation and everyone will agree. There are metrics to support the case. Where are the metrics for determining if Comcast being on Twitter mattered? P.S. I'm asking for numeric documentation of success -- not speculation or emotional responses. Scoble may get misty-eyed at Gary V., but Gary V. could show you why it matters to him. I doubt Comcast can.
- Robert Seidman
Seidman: or another case is HRBlock on Twitter. They saw enough goodness to come out of that. These things aren't really done for metrics, though. It's like "what's the metrics" of a press tour? Or a speech at a conference? Businesses do things all the time for a lot of reasons other than just pure ROI.
- Robert Scoble
For your inspiration http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Erhan Erdogan
Comcast has metrics for their ROI on their PR team (quantitative AND qualitative). They don't have any quantitative analytics on social media. Until they do -- it's all kool-aide talk. what's more valuable to Comcast: three more people on ComcastCares or three more people on the phones? How do you measure and how do you decide? I think the answers to these questions are very worthwhile. I can't comment on H&R block since its primary business is capitalizing on people who are afraid of basic math
- Robert Seidman
Look it is all about fine tuning the noise into the Signal.You really need to have the passion for this to work. We are redefining the marketing model. Explosion! Bang, Bang The Coke Machine Blown up in Cyber Space!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it's a dramatic change for the press. No longer are they confined to corp.reports press offices and senior level interviews for the "facts" with corp. bloggers and others spewing opinions and data. The risk is we are already seeing the blurring of lines between commentary, opinions and "real journalism" (hold your attacks). The old editorial checks and balances are rapidly giving way to a much looser, faster--and more interesting--form of "news" delivery (i was a writer for BusinessWeek in a former life)
- mark ivey
Paul: If you look at the road runner computer page you'll see it's a well written Guide Note with citations, tons of facts, and a GREAT place to start. It's not intended to be the final destination, but rather a starting point for folks. Allen Stern calls what we do "scraping" but that's not accurate. We actually select our links across many, many services and Google is the last place we really look to be honest. We need interesting links and places like stumble and delicious are the best places for those.
- Jason Calacanis
jason, to some extent no matter where you are getting the links, it's still scraping the links, and it doesn't mean it's bad - of course what i like is that you link back and don't take the content - that's a good thing.
- Allen Stern
10 years from now, each of us will be kicking out feed entries every time we blow our noses. FriendFeed is - to my mind - a way for people to get control of the feeds they generate and focus them toward a coherent narrative.
- Rob Sterling
Jason, you saying Maholo works, but I will disagree with you. My travel agency Website that is 8 years old, in DMOZ, IATA registered is not in Mahalo, while some crappy non IATA agency is! You tell me how is Mahalo doing a good job? You just scraping not contributing to evolution and improvement of search.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it really puts a spotlight on the fact that journalism is a process - not a product. We have forgotten that journalism is a series of steps: collect, filter and distribute - information. Sites like FriendFeed enable journalism without the media. I found out about Tim Russert's death via Twitter. It wasn't "media" - it was just people living their lives and sharing information. It's news without newspapers, journalism without media, etc.
- David Cohn
Allen, you know very well what scraping means... it means taking something not yours and doing no original work. We hand curate our results... they are all hand selected. Robots scrape... humans curate.
- Jason Calacanis
I think it's interesting that Steve calls FF a 'human discovery engine' while it really is so much more. Journalism (and delivery vehicles) have already changed dramatically. There have already been social and financial shifts. Twitter played a role. FF will be larger over time (in m opinion). Traditional journalists need to learn and read (quick) or they will simply be downsized and replaced by more prolific writers (that know what they're talking about) right here on Friendfeed, and elsewhere.
- Charlie Anzman
discovery = learning. FF, Twitter and similar ramp up my discovery, therefore increasing my rate of learning.
- Paul Moss
Jason Calacanis many Social Media industry leaders are following me, but you are ignoring my concerns. We are not in Sheepshead Bay hanging out at your table with your friends in Kingsborough Community College. So, what value do you bring to search when you fail to include authoritative business sites to your index?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Me and the girls...productivity online in 20 minutes at http://www.ustream.tv/channel.... Join us. Won't you?
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Stan Lee Interview - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Hehe... "You silly girl!"
- Veronica
How to Better Manage FriendFeed for Relevance - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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really like the idea of being able to rank friends so that you don't miss out on stuff from less 'popular' users
- Frederic
Interesting thought Thomas. So maybe the ranking you apply to a user could be a multiplier against the FriendFeed algorithm that determines the "best of" sequence. Higher rankings will drive these users higher on your "best of" pages.
- Hutch Carpenter
that's it exactly Hutch. It would be pretty simple to do (I think) and I'd be surprised if the FF folks haven't already thought of this. Ranking users on a scale from 1 to 100 would be your own subjective filter into their "best of" system that would result in a far more engaging and engrossing "best of" discovery page.
- Thomas Hawk
similar attention profiles? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdogan
When you apply it to search it becomes the most powerful of all. It's going to take FF a few years to really index the web through their social filter in a meaningful way, but in the end FF could be far more powerful as a search engine than a social network or social media aggregator.
- Thomas Hawk
Erhan, APML focuses on topics, not people. What Thomas is suggesting is that a person, regardless of their content, could be ranked higher than another person. It's up to you, as a subscriber, to determine how interesting that person is.
- Mark Trapp
I read a comment on a previous post here on FriendFeed mentioning that more than a third of discussions on FriendFeed probrably are _about_ FriendFeed... Most of the items where there are a lot of replies have something to do with FF. I wonder if this service is going to become way less interesting when people finally get bored of talking about the service. What happens when you run out of "nothings" to say?
- Jonathan Sterling
Yes, right! IMHO APML is by far more interesting than "ranking" people with notions like karma or such. I'm on the Internet because I want/like/hate/need stuff and it's about these stuff, it's about me first. Then may come other things like friendship and sociability. I'm not against teh "Social" word, of course. I'm for the "me" word that tends to disapear a little bit... :)
- directeur
Jonathan, you're following the wrong people (as curt as that sounds). If you expand who you follow to people outside the social media echochamber, you find a lot of posts about a wide range of topics.
- Mark Trapp
directeur, we all have relationships with people, not topics. Dehumanizing social media doesn't solve the issue.
- Mark Trapp
@Thomas: Interesting. Sounds a bit like a souped up StumbleUpon or Del.icio.us. Different ways at attacking the question of how to bubble up the best of a topic. The time element is the bit that always makes it difficult IMO.
- AJ Kohn
Mark: I'm with you, I really do. But what defines "friendship" is our common interests, don't you think? I'm not about dehumanizing the web :)
- directeur
Jonathan that's the thing though. Those are the most popular discussions based on likes comments etc. but not the most relevant. Allowing people to rank users would filter more of the most popular out and bring more of the most relevant in. I might not care what 99% of my contacts had for lunch today. But I might care about what my wife did even though it's not popular or more broadly generally interesting.
- Thomas Hawk
Directeur, Interests are what might lead to a friendship, but friendship is not completely defined by one's interests. I might meet a friend at a great italian deli, and we hit it off. A few years down the road, he tells me, "Man, I'm tired of italian food." He doesn't suddenly stop being my friend. There's a link between us, after the friendship has been established, that transcends any list of interests.
- Mark Trapp
Do you propose this simply for the "best of" or for your actual feed as well?
- Frankie Warren
@Mark,@Thomas I don't think like you. I said similar content followers/like'rs/commenters are owners of your best points in Thomas's idea. This will be possible with creating real attention profiles with all your interests in FF.
- Erhan Erdogan
Frankie, it would be the algorithm's job to sort out ranking and relevance. But your subjective rank for a person would be a very significant component that went into the algorithm. Think about it this way. Your brother twits, "I just bought a new car." Most people are not interested in this but you probably are. Even more than the 18 popular posts about twitter, google, apple and FF. By letting you rank your brother 100, you ensure that you see that ahead of the other stuff.
- Thomas Hawk
Mark, yes that's true, but it's only because you have other "interests" that keep your friendship alive. The day where you don't have no, and I mean NO interest that connects you, that day will be the end of your friendship. Moreover, online friendship and real-life one are a little bit different. We may define those interests, maybe we just can't express them, but they still are here
- directeur
Erhan, APML does not solve a very real problem people have: they have a bunch of friends and people they find interesting they want to follow, and are inundated by an inability to say "I like this person more" or "this person is more important to me." If you look at MySpace or Facebook: who are most people following? Their friends. That's what people care about. I think Thomas's suggestion happens to be a good one to help solve that problem on Friendfeed.
- Mark Trapp
I have a kind of "manual" friend ranking system. I subscribe to the ones whose posts I most often click through, like or comment. Other users I find interesting but who I don't want in my main feed get their feeds subscribed to with Google Reader. On top of that, I have a few folders on my bookmarks toolbar, each containing a list of links to friendfeeders' feeds pertaining to a field of interest or set of relationships. I call it efficient stream absorbtion
- Slappy Line
directeur, I don't know what to tell you. A friendship on that superficial level isn't a real friendship. I'm not interested in dehumanizing people into a list of interests: people are ends in and of themselves, not means for me to extract information.
- Mark Trapp
Some good ideas in there. It would be nice to have a hand in "what is relevant to me".
- Joel Gray
Mark: Maybe ULML (http://userlabor.org) may do this, but for interests -the things that mostly gather us- nothing equals APML I think.
- directeur
APML does not solve the filtering problem: people don't reduce everything into a list of interests. It's a square peg trying to fit in a round hole.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: i'm speaking about the programs, the software we use... I think you got me wrong. In real life I don't rank my friends, I even have friends that don't share any interests with me. I'm talking about programs, about apps like FF or other social web apps. these apps need a formal way to know who you are, and who I am, because, for that app, I should be what I like/hate
- directeur
@Mark : ) I really don't care about contents are my friends' or not. And don't want to share with my all other followers. For this focus should be content. I think you need a niche FriendFeed like BestFriendFeed.com ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: me I do, If my best friend *here* talks about Britney Spears, I won't like to comment, click, or "Like" it. I just don't care. Period. But if an unknown person talks about Coltrane, or Dizzy, I'm here to say loudly that I LOVE them :)
- directeur
When you are online or offline, you're dealing with human beings. That fact doesn't simply just become irrelevant when you use software. When I hang out with my friends at a bar or whatever, they are the same people there as they are when they message me on Facebook or Twitter or Friendfeed. I want to know what they are up to, moreso than what you're doing or what Robert Scoble's doing or anyone else, even if they are talking about the same thing your'e talking about. What they say has more value to me.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: we're a little bit different. That's not to say that I don't have friends or that I don't care about them... No, but I'm a coder (just like you I guess) and whatever we say, we always need formal ways to (re)define things that we borrow to the real life.
- directeur
directeur, you could still rank non friend people of interest highly. It would be entirely customizeable. If a stranger consistently blogged about things of interest, you could always rank them 100 too. It would be up to you to apply ratings as your relevance filter. I'd be very interested, for instance, in a pro photographer if they posted lots about photography even though they were not my best friend.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas think this is a great idea although "technically: I can't contribute to the conversation. Blindly hoping algorithms are my friend :D
- Mark Forman
Thomas: Exactly, that's a big advantage of attention profiling. I'm a jazz lover, So I'm very likely to be a friend for other jazz lovers, and filters like these will help me find such "interesting" people. Not that others are not worth my consideration, but we may exchange a lot more when we have the same interests
- directeur
APML is like discovery for interesting information: like Thomas, he's got an APML profile which weighs pro photography very high. Feeds it into a service and it tells him a bunch of people who he might match (like Toluu, for people). He says "man, John Doe is really cool. I'm going to subscribe to him." That's where APML leaves off. John Doe isn't merely defined by pro photography, but that's what got Thomas interested in him. But now that he's interested in him, he wants to know more about John Doe.
- Mark Trapp
This is a brilliant idea -- personally weighted "best of" summaries.
- Dewald Pretorius
So APML's solution is to say "forget everything about all my friends other than my interests:" It's not that simple. I hate car talk, so I'd rate the keyword car really low. My friend just got a new car: I want to know about that, but I won't because my interest in cars is low. It doesn't solve my original filtering problem.
- Mark Trapp
Yes Mark, we agree on this, and that's what I just said too... BUT we discover future online-friends through the _content_ they share/publish or are interested in.
- directeur
If you agree with me, I don't understand why you and your feedego team try to push APML every time filtering comes up. It doesn't help filtering subscriptions _I already have._
- Mark Trapp
Wouldn't it be possible to get around all this and create a personalized list of items that are personalized according to a ranking system. But at the same time keep a river of news view. That way we keep our subscriptions while allowing a second view of the same information through the prisim of our ranks. FF already does some of this through their best of sections and their rooms. So...
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- Roberto Bonini
My interest in new cars are very low as well. In fact I could care less if someone got a new car. But if my *brother* bought a new car I'd be interested, even if mildly. But in general we are more interested in some people than others for a myriad of reasons, family, friend, common photography passion, romantic involvement, whatever. The point is by ranking them you could better assist an algorithm in discovering and searching that content.
- Thomas Hawk
Fun! I will create a new google docs file :p We must go on there - because we want to draw something and write a little longer :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: Feedego is NOT a social thing. It's really about ego. There's no friendship in feedego. I agree with you on the fact that APML helps you *discover* interesting future friends. I advocate APML in general because I do belive in it, and filtering IMO is a concrete example on what APML may serve. Don't you think?
- directeur
Roberto, exactly, "best of" by relevance would not *replace* the current "best of" river by sheer popularity. It would just be another optional view. Same goes with search. But i think it would likely be more interesting and relevant than the current best of.
- Thomas Hawk
Directeur: No, it's not! You yourself agreed: APML solves filtering in the discovery phase, it does NOTHING for the content I'm already getting. Take the car example: how does APML not fail, spectacularly, when handling that?
- Mark Trapp
P.S. I'm the only feedego guy on Friendfeed btw :) People talking about APML aren't members of feedego, they just like APML, like I do :)
- directeur
I'm in directeur :( So bad - hearing such a thng like this from you :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: I've never said " it does NOTHING for the content I'm already getting" ! I told you That ME "directeur" am not like you "Mark" and I won't care about anything about "Britney Spears" be it a content submitted, loved or whatever by my best friend. We're different on this Mark
- directeur
At this point, I'd love to have an APML profile just to block every time someone mentions APML.
- Mark Trapp
Erhan: I meant you aren't in the feedego staff :)
- directeur
Mark: Ah! see?
- directeur
@All :-)) Thanks for discussion. But this is end of our comment limits ;-) @Mark all of the things would be together ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Mark: sorry to annoy you, I really didn't meant that. But a last example for the road: See? Me and you have had many misunderstandings in others discussions... That's it... wer'e human... But the next time I'll see you talking about APML I'll be interested, because you have an objective point of view, maybe different than mine, but I'll be interested in what you'll have to say.
- directeur
You could achieve the same by collecting and analyzing a person's clickstream data without asking that persons's personal ratings for his/her topics of interest. My guess is that that is what Google is trying to do with the clickstream data of its users who opt for the option of complete Google "personal history" record. It is a scary thought to let Google know about every click one...
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- Javed Alam
Big point Javed and yes APML supports this already, that's called "implicit concepts", the others are "explicit" ones. And yes, an application may smartly create a profile from your behavior, but implicit concepts can't be really reliable without something explicitely given by the user.
- directeur
@Javed That's all good for conjunction between APML and Thomas's point alg. ;-) But as you said we should see datas after researches ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
I like this notion of relevance. I imagine the "best of" stream could also be re-ranked based on your personal stats of who you find interesting, negating the work of manually ranking your relationships.
- Andrew Smith
Mark: take it easy man! I didn't started the thing with APML, Erhan did :) And I'm not shoving APML down everyone's throats. You still say "we", "everyone". You're free to do this of course, but I personally never use "we" online. That's maybe the main difference between us, and that's indeed what separates our points of views, but still, I never see you as a woe... You're a guy who has his own opinions, I have mine and it's okay. (Even when you delete the comment to which this one is a reply)
- directeur
@directeur Okayyy. I'm boomer ;-) Heheh! You're funny ; ) I subscribed to Mark - see you in his new comments - we will always punish you ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Great idea Thomas. It reminds me a bit of how I started to organize my RSS feeds into categories based on levels of interest rather than topics. That way, I could do a better job of keeping up on the blogs that were important to me.
- Jeff Smith
Great idea. I study within artificial intelligence and I can definitely say scoring and quantifying this data is the way to a more effective and efficient network. Another question though, do you find it depressing that you're blog has no comments - but FF has over 53?
- CannonGod
Great post. Also see an earlier thread I started discussing more or less the same concept - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Aviv
We are not making this up: Ivanhoe Reservoir in Silver Lake covered in - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow...
Frederick Johnson liked this
Wow. Where to get my water in L.A. now? Trying not to buy bottled water to save on plastic bottle waste. Is a Brita water filter enough?
- Liana Lehua
MY iPHONE IS DISGUSTING.
Just Ken, William Beem, Frederick Johnson and 7 other people liked this
it's offensive to me. i can't even look at it anymore. an abomination.
- Veronica
I've really been getting into the TWIP photography podcast lately.... - http://pownce.com/thomash...
TranceMist, Holger Eilhard, RyanEs and 3 other people liked this
You should be on TTiP!
- Mike Lewis
from fftogo
Great interview!
- RyanEs
I always struggle to keep up with podcasts, haven't really found a way to fit them into my listening yet...
- James Spinks
from twhirl
James, I listen to them while I swim with an underwater mp3 player. I'm with you though. Except for working out or driving (and I do very little driving) I don't have enough time in my life for most podcasts.
- Thomas Hawk
Sliderocket Empowers a New Kind of Presentation - http://www.fastcompany.tv/video...
Garrido, jcunwired, Orli Yakuel and 34 other people liked this
I love Sliderocket. It's very different than PowerPoint and shows yet another way that work is changing thanks to the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Love Sliderocket!
- Noah Carter
I want to check these guys out.
- Hutch Carpenter
terra210: yeah, sorry, sometimes I get pulled into the World Wide Highschool. :-) I do track who is cool, based on their products and services. Male vs. Female geeks are tough. I try to fight that, but truth is most people I come in contact with are guys, so sometimes I fall into that trap. Thanks for the kind wishes!
- Robert Scoble
Awesome, AWESOME interview Robert. SlideRocket was the missing link to my online office suite software mix. Thanks for posting this piece.
- Frederick Johnson
Definitely looks worthy of consideration for integrating into site-good point.
- Mark Forman
Great demo. Tumbled! http://flipside.scribkin.com/post...
- Phil G
check out Zoho Show 2.0. Prrrrrretty.
- john conroy
Nice interview. Robert - you get them talking, then get out of the way (as it should be). Easier said than done!
- Noah Carter
John: I'm definitely going back to Zoho. Would love to see a comparison of that to Sliderocket. Sliderocket sure has a nice interface. Going to be tough for Zoho to beat that.
- Robert Scoble
Although.. the twistage player needs a parameter to stop autoplay. Annoying.
- Phil G
J. Phil: I'll work on that. Agree.
- Robert Scoble
Jake: If Adobe were smart they'd buy this ASAP.
- Robert Scoble
very nice product, i think the linking feature will definat2ely make it very valuable for business.
- Nathan Eckenrode
how do I get a beta for my company?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
from twhirl
finely, someone is showing of FLEX, But Powerpoint with sharepoint can do many of the stuff around keeping slides up to date and sharing data.... they just made it easy to access which is Microsoft biggest problem.
- Rif Kiamil
great demo!
- Burak Arikan
waiting for my invite .... have several presentations in the following weeks, would be interesting to check it in real life
- Naor Mark
Great demo, can't wait to try it out!
- Aaron Myers
This looks fantastic.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Not just an interesting product, but the way he handled the demo was very good.
- Jed White
Can Sliderocket import existing PPT files? I'd love to be able to bootstrap Sliderocket with the slides from my existing library of PPT slides.
- Tom Wentworth
That's amazing!! I will definitely start using it for my Medical Group presentations and break-the-mold of our boring PP slides.
- David Cook
fastcompany.tv is down, Sliderocket looks great, going to pass that on to my friend who's an organiser of top medical conferences, she hates PPT!
- Dave Pook
@Tom: From what they discussed in the interview, I believe so.
- CannonGod
@Tom: Yes it can import PPT, but no export yet. So you need a working internet connection for your presentation or their offline player (adobe air).
- Benedikt Koehler
Adam Loving, Jessica Guynn, Kreg Steppe and 34 other people liked this
Congratulations to all
- Brian Sullivan
Congrats!
- directeur
Congrats to graduate and family!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Poor guy! Be forced to wear a suit ;-)
- directeur
Thanks, yeah, he likes wearing a tie about as much as I do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
He is such a good person, thanks for sharing these photos, and congrats.
- susan mernit
Congratulations Patrick & Family... I'm sure you'll rock high school! Now take the summer off!
- Michael Lehman
Congrats (never had one of these, they just shipped us off to H.S.)
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Congrats to Patrick
- Mark Dykeman
Congratulations Patrick. Robert you must be very proud.
- Sean Alexander
I am very proud and he is on the honor roll too! Which means he gets to get the new iPhone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations!
- Aaron Myers
very nice
- Alex Hammer
Woh, flash-forward 13 years to my daughter's grad. Congrats to you all. Any advice for that 'letting go' day Robert?
- Leif Hansen
congrats Patrick and Scoblefamily :)
- Loic Le Meur
Leif: who said I let go? Seriously, I have always tried to treat Patrick as an adult. Or at least an adult in training. That has always done us both good.
- Robert Scoble
Was there two years ago and I'll be back next year. I mean literally there. The very same school. Congratulations, Patrick!
- Leo Laporte
Congrats to both of you. My eldest daughter also graduated this year. It's a special -- and really weird -- time. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Congrats Patrick :)
- Mohamed J
congrats. Exciting times abound.
- Tsega Dinka
Congrats to Patrick, and to Robert - looks like you're having a nice weekend away from your role as the King of Technorazzi :)
- jcunwired
Congrats Patrick. Your future is bright!
- Mike Doeff
Tease for our new photography show, PhotoCycle, starting later this month: http://scobleizer.smugmug.com/gallery... with @thomashawk and @marcsilber
Gustav Holmström, Kreg Steppe, Chris Nixon and 30 other people liked this
great project! is marc really on a mountain? :)
- Anthony Farrior
Heh, thanks. It's going to be a lot of fun. Thanks to Rocky Barbanica for editing and producing it, too. By the way, SmugMug's video is quite nice, very impressed.
- Robert Scoble
Looks like it will be a pretty good show. I'm looking forward to it.
- Jeremy Kunz
from Alert Thingy
Color me excited!
- Andy Roth
Looking forward to PhtotCycle!
- Mitchell Tsai
Great teaser. Looking forward to it. I like the use of SmugMug for the HQ video.
- Jeremy Hall
It's not pn smugmug- it's on my personal site.
- Rocky Barbanica
Looking forward to this
- Andrew Smith
yep that's really Half Dome behind me, no blue screen! check it here http://www.silberstudios.com/blog...
- Marc Silber
Rocky: actually I moved it over to SmugMug.
- Robert Scoble
cool idea for a show
- chartreuse
Wow ! seems great, can't wait to see it ! (definitely Half Dome, great climbing spot too!)
- Heimana
Looks like a great project; the backdrop is ridiculous.
- Blake N. Cooper
was that a real view on the background? (amazing)
- Orli Yakuel
Nice teaser. The show looks like something I'd really enjoy. What's the best way to keep tabs on when the first videos start coming out. Subscribing to the feed on that video page?
- Dylan Parker
I'd try Opera before using IE
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I suppose I should break down and install Opera at some point...sheesh, how many browsers does one need these days! :D
- Joel Gray
It works in Firefox 3.0 RC1 here. Not sure why it's not working for you. Do you have the latest Flash plugin?
- Robert Scoble
@Joel Gray - We haven't tested with FF3rc1/rc2 yet, but I'll see if we can give it a shake today. Can't imagine why it wouldn't work. Mac or Windows?
- Don MacAskill
Hopefully already obvious, but click the "Share" button to get an embeddable player.
- Don MacAskill
Don, where is the "share" button. I can't find it anywhere on the page and want to embed the video on my blog?
- Thomas Hawk
@DonMacAskill Windows Vista SP1. Haven't had any problems with YouTube or other videos that use the player. Just sits there saying "Buffereing" connection seems good to everything else.
- Joel Gray
Really looking forwared to this!.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
@Thomas Hawk - Looks like Scoble has some interesting customization, blowing away our normal buttons. Go here http://scobleizer.smugmug.com/gallery... and click 'share photo'. Use the 'Get a link' tab.
- Don MacAskill
@Joel Gray - Can you tell me which version of Flash this page says you have? http://kb.adobe.com/selfser...
- Don MacAskill
@DonMacAskill WIN 9,0,115,0 OS Windows Vista - Video Cap: Yes - Audio Cap: Yes - Local File I/O: Yes
- Joel Gray
Awesome, can't wait for it. Where will we be able to view this show?
- Cade Brown
it will be on http;//www.fastcompany.tv
- Robert Scoble
@Joel Gray - There are some bugs in 9,0,115 that are fixed in 9,0,124, so you could try updating. I'm installing FF3rc2 on my Vista SP1 VM right now, so we'll see how that goes.
- Don MacAskill
@Joel Gray - Hmm, fresh FF3rc2 install on my Vista SP1 machine w/Flash 9,0,115 and it plays fine for me. Dang. I'm stumped. I'll keep looking, though.
- Don MacAskill
Look froward to seeing that!
- Kreg Steppe
It is now up at http://www.fastcompany.tv/photocy...
- Robert Scoble
Scobleizer's video - http://Scobleizer.smugmug.com/gallery...
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Bob, Handy Lukman, Frederick Johnson and Michael Carter liked this
This looks great Robert. I am looking forward to the series.
- Michael Carter
Adobe Buzzword demo - http://qik.com/video/94131
Phil Crissman and Frederick Johnson liked this
This is very cool. New style word processor.
- Robert Scoble
Blissfullness - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Kris Millering, Chris Nixon, Andrew Smith and 13 other people liked this
Wow, amazing image. HDR?
- jcunwired
The contrast is almost lomo-like.
- Andrew Dobrow
no, not HDR but definitely processed heavily in this case.
- Thomas Hawk
love the juxtaposition of curves and edges
- Chris Hollander
...yes, wonderful and amazing. Had to fave it the moment I first saw it.
- JA Castillo
do you use Aperture to process your images? i saw a post you wrote a while back about Aperture but wasn't sure if you're still using it. i'm getting a MB Pro next week so trying to figure out what i should use to process my photos.
- Sam Purtill
Sam, I don't use Aperture. I use Bridge/Photoshop. But I've heard good things about Aperture. I've always thought of the whole Aperture vs. Lightroom debate as like a Canon vs. Nikon debate. Both good products just different strokes for different folks. I've learned on Canon and Adobe. Someone else might do just as well with Nikon and Aperture.
- Thomas Hawk
I did try Aperture once but at the time they didn't have vignette control and that was a deal killer at the time for me. I'm sure they've added that in now in later versions.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes; Aperture does have vignette (and devignette) now. I use Aperture for all of my work; it's gotten loads better since version 2.
- Benjamin Golub
Awesome photo, the reflection on the street is amazing.
- Jeremy Kunz
Ryan Brenizer, Gary, Tom Devlin and 20 other people liked this
Oh the irony!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Now That is Classic...DC at It's Best! (knowing Amtrak from having done business with them in the past, the security guard probably got the memo a few days later)
- Greg Lato
I hope that attention like this brings awareness to the absurdity of these restrictions. Unbelievably ironic to be confronted while reporting this story.
- Jeremy Kunz
I cannot believe the audacity. I too hope this brings the issue to light.
- Kreg Steppe
this is like the story about the Uniun station & no Photo rule there !!
- Peter Dawson
Fred Johnson Interviews Me About My Photography - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Frederick Johnson, Tris Hussey, Nicholas Kreidberg and 7 other people liked this
Thanks for the heads up on the G9, that looks great!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Philipp, don't use Lightroom yet. I use Bridge/Photoshop for my workflow. Have to get into Lightroom though. I'll probably make the switch with the new upcoming version of Lightroom.
- Thomas Hawk
Looking forward to upcoming TWIP podcast.
- jcunwired
Lightroom looks great for managing photos and doing everyday editing, I'd use it if I were a photographer. Photoshop can do it all, editing-wise.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Thomas, resistance is futile. ;)
- Frederick Johnson
Gillmor Gang now live with FriendFeed founders: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2008...
Mitchell Tsai, Frederick Johnson, Jimsang and 14 other people liked this
this is my first time listening to gillmor. i don't like it. steve gillmor is a rude interviewer. i bailed after 11mins. he's pushing friendfeed to clone twitter. they don't want to. he should let it go or build this clone himself
- @baratunde
Baratunde: you should listen after I come in. I want some of the same things. My four features I want? 1. XMPP so I can get FF in real time and talk with it via Google Talk. 2. SMS compatibility so I can get to it during disasters on my cell phone. 3. Much better filtering and querying abilities (aka Twitter's Track). 4. Ways to privately message people. That sure sounds a lot like I want FF to clone Twitter, but on the other hand, I don't want to lose FF's unique features, either.
- Robert Scoble
Baratunde: start listening at about 33 minutes in.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree with Baratunde. I've just started to listen to the gillmor gang and steve was rude. It didn't really feel like Steve was interviewing the founders of FriendFeed but tell them how to run their company....via feedalizr
- Chris Rodgers
Chris: that's exactly what he was doing. And I think he's right to do so. I hope they listen.
- Robert Scoble
Plus, a big reason a lot of us do this is to have our side of the story heard. If we don't get to do that, then this turns into a job and/or a PR event. Screw that.
- Robert Scoble
Baratunde: you should especially listen at about 50 minutes when Marc Canter gives Steve Gillmor crap and he explains himself. "All the heroin has been taken off the streets."
- Robert Scoble
If I'm the FF guys, I don't mind very direct criticism. FF is on to a good thing -- they have plenty to be proud of -- and this sort of feedback is as good as pricey market research. It'll show them where the next level could be.
- Chris Baskind
Baratunde - I agree with you. Gillmor is a bit of a snob and very interrupty.
- Dino
I've listened to a few of these shows now, and though I agree that Gillmor is very rude and agressive I think he gets a very difficult job done, there are quite a few big ego's he has to deal with on his show
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
The last few minutes of the show were funny too, where Gillmor thanked the FF guys for putting up with his BS.
- Robert Scoble
known steve for years but can't listen to him podcast, to cantankerous, feel the same about mike vizard & he's a good friend :(
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wasn't that rude. Though the stuff with Chris Saad - wow. I was listening live on Ustream and it was *awkward*
- Jamie
Now that I'm coming down to the end of this episode. I'm glad I gave it a chance and listened to the complete episode. Gillmore raised some very good points but he is still very brutal to listen to.
- Chris Rodgers
Was my first time listening to Gillmore as well. The devil's advocate, "squeaky wheel" attitude works for him to a point. Some interesting arguments got fleshed out but I don't think I could listen to him for as long as I did in this interview. Things got better when Robert was able to chime in.
- James
Robert! No wonder you seem so bitter or angry lately. Get off of that show man. FIrst time listening, and it was BRUTAL!
- E.B.
from Alert Thingy
I listen to the Gillmor gang for the same reason I listen to right wing radio sometimes. To remind myself that I am sane :)
- Deepak Singh
I was a long time Gang listener, but I stopped when they went to Podshow, lost Jon Udell, and started splitting the show into 18 pieces. I've tried to go back a couple of times, but I just don't enjoy Calacanis or Arrington. It's just not a thoughtful show any longer.
- Ryan Toohil
@ Ryan listen to the show with Chris Messina the other day. Brilliant stuff
- Jamie
Agreed. That was the best Gang I've heard in a long long time (like Ryan, I miss Udell, Carr and the likes).
- Deepak Singh
horrible quality - horrible interviewer - but it´s about FF, so I had to listen *gg*...via feedalizr
- Dieter Schwarz
whoops. i left this thread for a bit. I will give the show a chance and listen through till the end in the next few days. thanks
- @baratunde
i finally listened to the rest of the show. you were right robert. it got better and more interesting. i get gillmor's style a bit more. still think he's a bit coarse, but listening to the entire show allowed me to see where he was coming from and why. i have a lot of respect for friendfeed for participating in such an exchange. i definitely learned a lot from all of you
- @baratunde
IMHO, placing Friendfeed in a "Twitter box" in terms of discussing it (by the show, not by Robert!) does a disservice to the company (Friendfeed) which should be judged on its own merits.
- Alex Hammer
Finally listening to this one. I suspect there's a vast global conspiracy to keep me from hearing this.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
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