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NatBlair posted an entry on The Junction Potential
June 26 at 6:18 am - Link
Amen, brother. - Bill Hooker
While I don't necessarily agree with all your points, I really like your attitude. - Pawel Szczesny
Feel free to lay your perspective out Pawel! I'm all ears. There's nothing like discussion to sharpen one's understanding of one's position. - NatBlair
I like it too, and I think you can mostly ignore the "tellin' it like it is" bluster physioprof adopts. - Mr. Gunn
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June 25 at 9:56 am - Link
I don't know...does slideshare not meet your needs? - Mr. Gunn
Papers is fantastic, great app. Free alternative is: http://ipapers.sourceforge.net... - Daniel Swan
I loved Papers, but I didn't renew my trial account. It made a lot of mistakes when I used the matching wizard, even when I used DOI to identify a PDF. But to answer your questions, I do not know of a similar app. - Kambiz Kamrani
The matching has got much *much* better in recent versions of Papers and I don't have mismatches anymore. Some DOI's don't always resolve, but that's rare. To stay on topic, just how much metadata do you want to associate with a powerpoint presentation? Maybe suck out all the text for searching? Does slideshare do this or is it just tagged? - Daniel Swan
It's a very useful software, but why only on that unusable system? - Pawel Szczesny
@Kambriz, I also tried an earlier version of Papers and didn't like it. The new version is better. - Maureen
Re Daniel's comment, thanks for free link. I give many talks and lectures and would like to sort through a library of slides to select versions of the same slide when composing a new presentation. Had a look at slideshare but it seems more for, well, sharing. - Maureen
@Maureen, ever look at Leap (Ironic Software)? from the makers of my preferred scientific .PDF organizer Yep... @Pawel, unusable? - dsbreak
@dsbreak, Call me frustrated - I don't have mac anymore ;) . But seriously I don't like OSX for many reasons (not enough linux experience - scientific software doesn't work, or installation is painful; unoptimized system and software etc.) and I tried few years to make it work. - Pawel Szczesny
@Pawel, out of curiosity, which types of scientific software have been difficult? wondering if it's one particular field (large scale sequence analysis, structural calculations, statistical packages, etc.) or in general - dsbreak
I love OSX as my desktop system, and ever since I switched my productivity is way up. That said, I have had some trouble getting a lot of MD/modeling apps to work. The strange thing is almost everyone in those communities that I know uses a mac. - Deepak
@Deepak - likewise, most things I want to run under Linux I just run server side. I have quite a few OSX servers though, and I really question it as a server platform - obfuscated enough to be different from Linux and the *BSDs, lovely GUI tools that only address 50% of the functionality. A fragile authentication system. Continued requirement to reboot for minor system updates. apt for os x would go a long way to easing some of my gripes ;) - Daniel Swan
Daniel .. For a variety of reasons, most of which you list, server side for me will always be Linux. But as my primary desktop, I can't think of a replacement for my MB Pro (esp since I am going to install Ubuntu as a VM) - Deepak
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June 25 at 1:30 pm - Link
I've also looked for such functionality and ended doing the drawing in Inkscape. I was thinking about hacking TeXtopo for that purpose, but never actually started. - Pawel Szczesny
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June 25 at 9:25 am - Link
I've tried to collate all the feedback that was given last time. Any more feedback on this version is welcome. I've outlined the focus of the survey in the first paragraph. - Michael Barton
I've just finished. Looks very good. Looking forwards to see the results. - Pawel Szczesny
'Liked' but I guess not filling it out - can hardly call myself a bioinformatician :) - Cameron Neylon
What Cam said. I "liked" it to give it extra juice here, make sure everyone sees it. - Bill Hooker
Michael was suggesting starting it officially on the 1st of July and let it run for a month before collecting the results and analyzing them. If we get enough numbers maybe the results will be interesting enough to send to a science news sections of some journal (The Scientists, Nature News, ...). If we get a bit of coordinated promotion on the 1st of July it would be great :D - Pedro Beltrao
I'm on holiday on 1 July - can I schedule a 'like' to pop in then? - Cameron Neylon
Send me a reminder, or post one here, and I'll blog the effort. Won't do much but every little bit helps. Betcha Jonathan Eisen would blog it too, and he has way more readers than me. Ditto Bora. - Bill Hooker
Ughhh... where's metabolomics ?!?! - Egon Willighagen
Thanks for all the comments guys. I really appreciate your input. - Michael Barton
Just filled it. - PauloNuin
@Egon. I understand your point but I had to try and limit this question to a small subset of categories, so I used those from Bioinformatics. With too many, the analysis becomes less significant as it's spread out over a broader range. I know it's tenuous but metabolomics could be put under Systems Biology? - Michael Barton
After discussion with Pedro, we also thought it might be interesting to release all the data under a CC license so anyone can contribute to the analysis. Have to update the disclaimer at the top though. - Michael Barton
Well, in feel that bioinformatics is not just DNA/RNA sequence stuff, but the full biochemistry, but I recognize the thing that people say bioinformatics is blast++. A shame, really, because I thought the field recognized by now that an organism is more than it's blueprint. - Egon Willighagen
Done. I skipped the "bioinformatics tools apart from software development" - because I mostly write my own; and the "web applications" - because there's just way too many. Maybe a select list and then list up to 3 "other" would have been better. - Neil Saunders
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June 25 at 4:14 am - Link
Not uncommon actually... many old school chemoinformatics tools were developed/used like this. Oh, sure you may use this software in a *joint* project... - Egon Willighagen
I've seen that couple of times, but I thought such license was banned few years ago... - Pawel Szczesny
I would have thought that that would violate the authorship guidelines of most journals. Now if someone makes an intellectual contribution to the preparation of data or its analysis that is different and it may be a fine line but as it's (apparently) worded that is severely dodgy - Cameron Neylon
As far as I know how it works (I heard it from different people who agreed on such license), authorship guidelines are not violated, because in practice you are _forced_ to collaborate on your projects with software authors. Of course collaboration often means that you get help at a level which is usually found in INSTALL and README files, but still it's counted as such... - Pawel Szczesny
We have a similar issue at large facilities with the question of whether the instrument (or other support) scientists should be an author on papers. To me it depends what they contributed. But forced collaboration sounds like a dodgy model to me - pushes you into building tools that _don't_ work properly. - Cameron Neylon
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June 24 at 12:23 pm - Link
I'm leaving soon for couple of weeks, so I leave you something to laugh at :) The idea is possibly stupid, although still after few years I find it attractive and elegant. Any comments or opinions? If you can convince me that it cannot work, I would finally stop thinking about it... - Pawel Szczesny
It sounds vaguely familiar to some of the tools used by Christoph Adami but what I think you are getting at is more on the maths of it not so much on using the models to study biology. In any case, have a good time off. - Pedro Beltrao
Thanks Pedro. It's not really about biology - the basis for this ideas is that majority of proteins fold into their native structure without modifications and chaperones, therefore we may assume that all information of the final structure is encoded in their sequence. Update: Thanks Pedro for hint with Chris Adami - he has interesting projects. - Pawel Szczesny
This problem still stymies structural biologists and bioinformaticians trying to predict structure from sequence. We basically have all the f's if you think of the sequence as the function, and we have a bunch of g's, but so far it hasn't been enough to define function t, though we can get pretty close. If we had every single g corresponding to every f, I think we'd be able to figure out t. But this makes me wonder, are we looking for one universal t, or a set of functions for t? - Shirley Wu
Shirley, f and g are artificial mathematical representation of sequence and structure - I don't correlate them with biological function. And if we keep it like this, finding one universal t allowing for reliable prediction of structure from sequence only would probably mean a Nobel prize or something similar :) My impression would be that we may get lots of different functions for t that have some common component (corresponding to statistical pseudoenergy terms used for model quality assessment). - Pawel Szczesny
Yes, I sort of understood the abstraction - I say 'sort of' because I was viewing sequence and structure as abstractions from biological function to begin with (not in "real life", just for this set up). I guess it is the difference between "the function f that gives rise to sequence A" and "sequence A" itself. Maybe I'm just not convinced we need to abstract to function f, if there is only one f for each A and only one A from each f? - Shirley Wu
Well, as I think about it, probably I put it in a wrong way. Level of abstraction doesn't really matter as long as there's some tranformation possible between abstracted sequence and abstracted structure. The key is here to stop thinking about atoms. Gap penalties in sequence alignments don't have any biological meaning, so why we insist on predicting structure using physical properties? - Pawel Szczesny
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June 17 at 8:12 pm - Link
I haven't noticed that dramatic jump of BB. But indeed it's not that surprising :) - Pawel Szczesny
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June 23 at 3:11 am - Link
I realized that many of you may not be aware of this initiative, which started in 2006. - Pawel Szczesny
I think the URL is missing a 'dot' - Cameron Neylon
I definitely was not aware about this - Deepak
Cameron, it's my keyboard ("dot" key is less sensitive). The address is http://www.topsan.org (I cannot edit the original entry). - Pawel Szczesny
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June 18 at 9:59 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Deepak will start moving content over, then we're ready to go. - Neil Saunders
I've already copied the front page. I would help with the rest but I have no clear idea how we should structure the wiki. - Pawel Szczesny
Please, add [[Category:Biogang_members]] at the bottom of your user profile on OWW, so we can be found. - Pierre
Pawel .... do you have any thoughts. Anyone else. Perhaps we can have the following sections. 1. Discussions 2. Projects Anytime someone decides to run with an idea or discussion it can be promoted into a project. Not sure if that's too complication or not. One can also have independent pages, e.g. for information and events, etc - Deepak
FYI : wikimedia allows you to add sub-pages e.g.: http://openwetware.org/wiki/Bi... - Pierre
Thanks Pierre; it's going to be good having a mediawiki expert on board - Neil Saunders
Deepak, looks good for me. So it would be: 1. About/Information etc. (single page) 2. Discussions (list of pages) 3. Projects (list of pages) 4. Events (single page)? - Pawel Szczesny
BTW, dewikified version of the Biogang wiki (http://biogang.openwetware.org) has broken RSS and Atom feeds. - Pawel Szczesny
Sounds right for now. Let's keep it relatively low overhead at this point. I should get a chance at some point today to get things moving - Deepak
Pawel, thanks for pointing out the RSS issue with "dewikified" version of the page. We'll have a look into it. - Ricardo Vidal
I've started the move. The markup doesn't transfer automatically, so might require tweaking. - Deepak
OK ... basic move has been done, including structure 1. Main Page (equivalent to About) 2. Discussion (talk to your hearts content, create new pages) 3. Projects (formal projects) and 4. Events (two events there right now). More tomorrow. Back to code now - Deepak
I've added a template to make navigation easier. Feel free to change the logo and layout - I made something quick, but it shouldn't be the final look. - Pawel Szczesny
Pawel ... great thanks. - Deepak
I did a little rearranging; see what you think. - Neil Saunders
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Michael Nielsen bookmarked a page on del.icio.us
June 19 at 10:02 am - Link
"The public domain ... cannot be made more free, only less free." Well said! - Mr. Gunn
Yep - this deserves to become a classic. - Cameron Neylon
It's kinda funny that we need to be reminded about this. Even all of us - Deepak
We just need someone to bookmark it every couple of months to remind us :) - Cameron Neylon
Cameron, it's a great idea :) We should collect all classic stuff (like biologist fixing radio etc.) and create a web service that will post them in a year-long cycle ;) - Pawel Szczesny
http://friendfeed.com/rooms/bi... :-) Not sure that will go anywhere, but worth a try I thought. - Bill Hooker
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June 19 at 9:24 am - Link
When it comes to writing a PhD, Latex is the daddy. - Duncan Hull
Interestingly, LaTeX submissions of scientific papers are slowly being accepted, but almost nobody accepts Word 2007 files :) Here's PLoS statement: "Manuscripts prepared in LaTeX may be submitted in PDF format for use during the review process. Post acceptance, however, these authors will be asked to submit their .tex files and formatting information as a zipped file. Please consult our LaTeX Guidelines for a list of what will be required. Please note: At this time we cannot accept for review or revision any documents created in Microsoft Office 2007, even if 'saved down' to the 2003 version. " - Pawel Szczesny
Thats a pain in the ass, you have to use something like latex2rtf http://latex2rtf.sourceforge.n... on final submission, but it screws up a lot of stuff. Unfortunately, MS Word seems a better option for collaborative authoring, but Latex and Bibtex come into their own when you're writing a PhD :) - Duncan Hull
Duncan, as far as I know, for some journals conversion to rtf is not necessary anymore (but it looks like a recent thing). PLoS and Bioinformatics (two journals I've checked) allow final submissions in LaTeX given all the files are packed into a single zip archive. On the other hand I must agree on the Word being better option for collaborative editing, but I recall seeing somewhere online TeX editor (aka Google Docs for LaTeX). - Pawel Szczesny
Zotero allow TeX now I think - Michael Barton
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Screenshot of my subscriptions in Feedly
June 19 at 8:13 am - Link
Pretty cool FF extension. However, if you point it to another feed sources it will automatically subscribe to them in GR (for example it will subscribe you to all GR shared items of your FriendFeed friends). - Pawel Szczesny
I definitely like this screenshot. Is it OK if we use it in one of our blog posts - Edwin Khodabakchian
Wow, thanks Edwin! It works, I was able to automatically undo all changes. - Pawel Szczesny
Sure, Edwin. I've changed its license. - Pawel Szczesny
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June 19 at 6:30 am - Link
TIBS released in their RSS feeds an issue from 1980. This is review of the book entitled "Semisynthetic proteins". - Pawel Szczesny
I was quite confused by that set of feeds! However, it did contain an article that I've been trying to rediscover for years, on whether DNA really is a double helix. I suppose these days we can visualise the molecule and the answer is yes. - Neil Saunders
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Biological Sequence Analysis: Probabilistic Models of Proteins and Nucleic Acids
June 17 at 11:50 pm - Link
Price of this books increases over time :) I got it from Amazon for little over $40. - Pawel Szczesny
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Bill Hooker posted an entry on sennoma's Feed
June 18 at 10:34 am - Link
*grin* We've been rejected without review from Mol. Micro (IF 5.5), so the same paper went to PPath (IF 9.3) - almost accepted. - Pawel Szczesny
It would be interesting to see IFs of various journals as a function of time -- I'd guess that PLoS journal IFs are climbing steadily, whereas closed journals are relatively static by now. - Bill Hooker
PLoS Bio - 13;14;14;13 PLoS Med 8;13;12 PLoS Gen - 7;8 PLoS Path 6;9 PLoS Comp 5;6. (Years separated by semi-colon). The average is going up but PLoS Bio and PLoS Med have decreased in 2007. - Pedro Beltrao
Awesome; I ask a casual question and someone does the work for me! I love this place. Thanks Pedro. - Bill Hooker
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June 18 at 7:14 am - Link
sounds about right to me - Mr. Gunn
Very, very awesome. - Tom Morris
Cool. Mine is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/y... . Paulo, the link you gave doesn't work. - Pawel Szczesny
Pawel, works fine here, but I will post on my blog then, just to be sure. - PauloNuin
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June 12 at 10:48 pm - Link
Cameron you're the most experienced fellow when it comes to OWW I suppose. Any thoughts :)? - Deepak
OWW does have a signup requirement which is manually handled but I'm not sure that is so different to waiting for someone to approve edit rights on wikispaces. It is a little bit more formal - and its more than one click. I wouldn't see that as a problem but then I already have an account. I think there was some talk of OpenIDs at one point which I guess would solve the problem. Ricardo do you know what happened to that? - Cameron Neylon
As far as I understood, academic affiliation is no longer requirement to join OWW, but still they require to provide much more information than Wikispaces (like real name, etc.) - as long as current biogangers don't mind, it's not an issue. - Pawel Szczesny
I think the original policy was a wish to restrict it to 'scientists' but I think that would be intepreted pretty widely now. Additionally one (or more) of us could get rights to add members ourselves if it was thought that that would help - Cameron Neylon
It is possible on Wikispaces to allow anonymous edits - the reason I don't do it on UsefulChem is that often my students would forget to login and I want to make sure they get credit for everything they do. - Jean-Claude Bradley
What is the maximum life expectancy of OWW in its current form? - Attila Csordas
@Attila -- I'd say "approximately forever", but it would probably be a good idea to check out their backup/export facilities anyway. - Bill Hooker
Sign up process is pretty straight forward. If the reason given is a valid one (such as participating in Biogang) there should be very little delay between request and approval. The heavier interface comes with perks, it's not all bad :) More features, tools and exposure. - Ricardo Vidal
Attila, anyone can download a dump of the content at OWW similarly as is available at Wikipedia. As for "it's current form" I'll have to say that it is ever changing and we are working on ways to make scientific research easier and faster via OWW. This is obviously not going to happen from night to day, but it is being studied, tested and implemented one piece at a time. As is the mindset of the research community as it adapts to the whole open access idea. - Ricardo Vidal
Cameron, OpenID is on the table of discussion and we already use it in some fashion internally. The manual handled registration process is so that we can certify that everyone using OWW is identified, a living person and also related to the life sciences research area. - Ricardo Vidal
"a living person" ... I like that part :) - Deepak
So what is the consensus about moving to OWW? - Pawel Szczesny
Based on the feedback above, we should move. There is some cache to being on OWW, even as an informal distributed community. I hope it's the right move :) - Deepak
I cannot find refer you to where I read it, but OWW is working towards a system for credit to the authors there... - Ntino
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June 16 at 4:54 am - Link
Pedro and I have discussing an edition of BioBlogs based on creating a bioinformatics questionnaire, then presenting the results. I was hoping the biogang might be able to offer some feedback on the type of questions you'd like to see and what you think would be interesting. - Michael Barton
The link is a google doc with initial questions we've come up with so far. - Michael Barton
Question: Where do you live ? - Pierre
Table: Which web2.0 tools (NN, FF, LinkedIn,... ) are you using (once a week, never,etc...) - Pierre
Most industry folks don't do a lot of publishing. I'd be more interested in things like: Question: What sub-fields of bioinformatics are you currently working on (e.g. proteomics, metabolomics, pathway analysis, sequence analysis). Question: which publicly available tools do you use most often Question: if you had a new tool, what would it do Question: which webservices for Bioinformatics do you use most often - Andreas Matern
I should say that I'm going to try and create this using Google Spreadsheet's new form feature, so all the possible enumerations to a multiple choice question would make it easier for me to type. Open ended questions may be more difficult for me to analyse statistically. - Michael Barton
Is asking about salaries too crass? Most of my Google -> blog hits still come from 'bioinformatics salary' searches. - Euan
It isn't crass. But it will probably be best done anonymously - Deepak
I have just put a questionnaire together and I used a "scale of importance" rating for a list of questions, i.e. Not at all, Not very, No opinion, Somewhat, Extremely, or you could ask people to rate each one in importance from 1 to 5. In terms of questions, I would be very interested in the opinions of non-bioinformatics (wet lab) people use of bioinformatics resources. A lot of people find them hard to use and inaccessible, so you could ask how easy they find it to use a particular resource..... - Paul Bacchus
....and what can be done to improve them; how much time do they spend at a resource, and is this time frustrating long because of their inaccessibility. - Paul Bacchus
I'm not saying the idea is wrong, but so far I don't see the question you want to answer with the questionnaire. What about adding some angle to it? For example ONS (do you know, follow, plan or actually work on ONS project; do you contribute to open source software), S2.0 (like Pierre question about tools, question about web based collaboration etc.), actual and perceived importance of the field (highest and lowest journal published at, the highest journal one thinks could publish in, etc). - Pawel Szczesny
I think if there's any angle to it, the results could be much more valuable, even if they are biased (they will be anyway). - Pawel Szczesny
Thanks for all your comments guys. The question I'm trying to answer is "What is your current feeling about the field of bioinformatics, and where is it heading?". The main points would be about dry lab researchers doing their jobs, what they like and what they want to see more of. I think some of the questions do answer this, but would benefit from more. - Michael Barton
I see. So if I may, I would suggest some questions regarding publications (some I mentioned above, plus something asking about the need of specialized journal, other publication possibilities etc.), chances of getting grants (and maybe a word or two on amounts), tenure and other career possibilities (I keep hearing it's hard to get a non-academic job, but this may be biased). Also I would expand (or add another) the question on the languages, so it includes toolkits/services/frameworks... - Pawel Szczesny
... I mean here everything from Eutils through Rails to Taverna. - Pawel Szczesny
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June 15 at 9:41 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
Trying to figure out how Bioscreencast stuff shows up on FF. Already noticed one possible enhancement - Deepak
When I browsed to the page you've linked I was able to listen to the audio, but saw no video - FF2, XP... - Tad Donaghe via twhirl
Anyone else? I've been able so see on my work windows machine (on XP and FF) - Deepak
Audio only on FF3/OS X 10.5 :/ - Daniel Swan
Empty box (no video and audio) on both linux/FF2 and Vista/FF2. - Pawel Szczesny
Thanks folks. Will look into it - Deepak
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June 13 at 12:30 pm - Link
I'm again frustrated - synthetic biology is obviously nothing more than genetic engineering. I found only one talk that seems to be connected with proteins. - Pawel Szczesny
Yeh, I've always thought most of what is being called "synthetic biology" is just a new name for a much older thing (like what used to be called "genetic engineering" .. same thing, just more advanced technologies). If it helps get some engineers on-board to do some cool things, it doesn't really matter though. It's also nice since some of the molecular biology terms which have murky meanings (like "gene" and "domain") are being discarded and redefined by "synthetic biologists". - Andrew Perry
Andrew, what frustrates me a lot is the gene-centric point of view - not rebranding. - Pawel Szczesny
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It's going to be a maximum of $199 USD in any country, according to Leo Laporte. With 3G and GPS builtin, impressive. - Chris Lasher
Remember me to tell you the price in Brazil after the release date. Everything there has at least 100% premium. - PauloNuin
I find it difficult to believe that there won't be a 100% markup for the UK market - Cameron Neylon
Chris, it's only impressive compared to itself. Newer model Nokias have had 3G and GPS and Wifi for years, and they're not any more expensive. You also don't have to pay $10-25 extra for unlimited data. Oh, and the screens are higher res. - Mr. Gunn
yeah, but that UI and the web browsing. I don't have one, but it's been cause of the price - Deepak
My Nokia E51 feels dated now. At least it's a single-handed phone, one of my decisions not to get an iPhone (or Blackberry). - Roland Krause
Deepak - Did you know that the N and E series Nokias (Symbian smartphones) use the same browser as the iphone? iphone sites/apps generally work on the Nokias, but you can also install local apps when you need speed, like for maps and gmail, etc. - Mr. Gunn
I've heard already approximate price in Poland for 8GB model - ca. $270 when signing two year contract. Still it's pretty OK, I would expect much more. - Pawel Szczesny
Mr Gunn - it's the same rendering engine, WebKit, rather than the same Browser, Safari. It's _all about_ the pinch zoom. ; ) - Matt Wood
I'll be surprised if they don't have a huge mark up in Australia. My prediction: 8GB=US$300, 16GB=US$400, only available on 24 month $50+ contracts (at least for the first few months while the hype subsides). Lets see how close my prediction is. I'll be thrilled if I'm wrong, since that means I may get one (after closely comparing the Nokias ... I agree with Mr Gunn [ http://www.thebestpageintheuni... ]) - Andrew Perry
LOL, Andrew, I thought about posting that, and I do have PuTTY on my phone. - Mr. Gunn
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June 12 at 12:56 pm - Link
Very detailed explanation - will send it to friends. BTW, you still make the same mistake in my name ;) - Pawel Szczesny
I wish I was able to pronounce your surname. - PauloNuin
I've been saying "shainy" -- rhymes with "brainy" -- in my head. Pawel, how horribly wrong is that? :-) - Bill Hooker
I particularly like points 4 - 7 at the end. - Bill Hooker
piffle - I meant to check before I posted because I was sure it would be wrong... - Cameron Neylon
I've always pronounced it closer to Shezny (phonetically at least) ... but I could be way off as well - Deepak
It was suggested in the OWW meeting that something like this might be useful and I thought it might be helpful for the Biogang review on collaborative tools (corrected spelling now as well) - Cameron Neylon
Cameron, it doesn't really matter - I was just laughing since this is almost everytime you write my name on your blog :). Bill, it's pretty much wrong - but I appreciate any attempt :). When we meet someday I will tell you how to pronounce it - and few others surnames for comparison ;) - Pawel Szczesny
I think what is impressive is that I get it wrong the same way each time :) - Cameron Neylon
Cameron, I have to admire your consistency :) - Pawel Szczesny
Great post! It'll be the first place I send people to when I mention FriendFeed and the Life Scientists room. - NatBlair
It's another thing to point to when people like David Crotty wonder if this stuff is really changing science after all. http://www.cshblogs.org/cshpro... - Mr. Gunn
I think David makes a lot of sense in that talk - but the flip side of the same argument is possibly well put by a post from Rich Apodaca that he linked to in a comment on another of my blog posts - http://depth-first.com/article... - Cameron Neylon
Nice work - useful summary. - Richard Akerman
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